Can You Defeat Oblivion's Gatekeeper The Unintended Way?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.พ. 2022
- In this Oblivion challenge video, we're going to see if we can take down the Gatekeeper without using the intended Bone Arrrows or Relmyna's Tears! Will all my work and testing go to plan? Will all of my tactics fail making me look a right fool? It'd be boring if it all went smoothly.
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I like when the guards look like they are going after umbra but then make a 90 degree turn straight for you.
"I think it wor- STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM!"
Same :)
Is it lack of pants? 🤔
Literally 90 degrees. Like the second they're about to pass him
@@randylahey5463 it's because umbra report the assault to the guards and then they went after him
Imagine, swimming in the Niben Bay, and instead of a slaughterfish, you see Umbra emerging from the murky depths, screaming UMBRA SHALL FEED!
Screaming underwater, with this bubbling effect. Brrr.
Sorry, I get a little hangry alright
@@Resursator "blrmbla brr brbleed"
I can't read, I read Nigerian Bay...
Im not liking this comment because it has 666 likes... Suitable
"Today we will kill the gate keeper in a way not intended"
>90% of the video is trying to kill Umbra
>10 percent of the video is actually fighting the gatekeeper
This is a certified Micky classic
Edit: this isn't a negative comment. I really like Micky as a youtuber and his content is really entertaining (to me)
The comment is a joke
More like
You're both wrong, it's 0.320% of the video.
YESSS
Yeah total waste of time phat dislike
I mean, technically Minnuete CVP is still correct. It IS indeed less than 5%. Just much, much, much, MUCH less.
You pick up the bounty because she is a neutral npc. When you attack her it is assault and once she comes in range of the guards she "reports" your crime. The way NPCs report your crimes in Oblivion is very wonky though. You could kill a NPC in a basement and somehow he will report you to the guards before he dies. Anyways, I think what happened here is really the system working the way it is intended for once lol.
It's really wonky, speaking as a sneaky type class there is times where I'm sneaking and can stealth kill a person in broad daylight
Yet I try it on someone sleeping and a guard manifests behind me to arrest me
“Wonky” is the nice way of putting it. It’s more or less downright broken. It really seems to be entirely arbitrary whether or not you get a bounty most times. I’ve hit someone and had them yell for the guards but managed to stop them prior to them leaving their house and got no bounty. Yet I’ll snipe someone from the shadows with a bow while entirely completely concealed and all the sudden have 6 guards yelling “stop right there criminal scum!” within seconds.
And I’m talking about just regular NPCs in the world here, not anyone special who may have some behind the scenes modifier of some kind.
there should be a mod that fixes that, there's a mod for everything
@@Yomom12388 also animals report crimes and unlike NPCs they don't even seem to have vision cones for not seeing a crime, so they will literally see you commit crimes as long as they're loaded in, it doesn't even matter if they can't allegedly see you.
(can't believe Skyrim sort of fixed that one by giving animals a crime FOV and morality so they won't report theft.)
@@Putrescence420 IIRC the good ol' Unofficial Oblivion Patch changes Umbra's morality so she doesn't report her own assault and ups her aggression so she's not considered a neutral NPC and can be pre-emptively killed like bandits.
You can actually kill umbra very easily in the room you find her. All you have to do is flip a waste basket over on the table and jump up on the broken pillar then hit her with either flare or arrows
Those tactics are why I had ~2k hours in oblivion
I just kill umbra with the starter goblin staff as soon as I leave the sewers
@@strawberrylotlizard that's a good strategy too but it can get out of hand quickly if she gets into sword range.
paint brushes would work too iirc
@@SamLemont yea they would but they're hard to come by.
Umbra actually has two sets of armor. One is available if you kill Umbra between levels 1-14 and is equivalent to orcish armor. The other is available at level 15 and is actually ebony quality.
I'm not a fan of the leveled items tbh, i prefer unique sets to have a static level. Rarer items being stronger. Or have quests locked behind a level requirement
@@latewizard301 There are multiple de-levelling mods for both oblivion and skyrim that achieve something to this effect. Most quest level reqs are dropped, save the ones that make sense (I'm looking for a powerful champion, and uh... level 1 doesn't cut it) and enemies are levelled by cave/fort/whatever with absolutely no concern for player level. Quest rewards are always the max level for the item, and the overworld is either globally levelled (oblivion) or regionally levelled (skyrim).
I think they're good mods for a playthrough or two, but using them made me understand the ultimate decision to make everything, everywhere levelled: the roleplaying component of enemies being static is not a good enough justification after that point. The game inevitably gets more locked into a set order of play if you make areas effectively inaccessible until higher levels, and areas that you miss until you're overlevelled become a walk-through.
@@latewizard301 I liked how Morrowind handled it. You would get demolished in some areas but if you managed to survive you could get daedric at level 1
@@natelax1367 i really like that. It rewards exploring in a way that i feel only older games did.
Will always be my preferred way of handling loot.
@@natelax1367 I like when it's a mixture of leveled and unleveled. Give me a proper challenge at every level, but give me some enemies that are ALWAYS strong! (the complaint I had with the Ebony Warrior in Skyrim was that he was always at level 99, never leveled higher when he should have been set to like, min level 99, player level +40, whichever gives him the higher level takes priority so at level 60 he's 100, etc etc).
Also a thing I want: unique quest reward items that "evolve" in tier tied to the player's level. They did it with Dawnfang/Duskfang tracking enemy kills, it can't be that hard or costly to have a few checks that give you the item's levelled tier version that matches your level tier. and update it when you hit the next tier and have it in your inventory.
I think it works by.... You hit the Npc, it will remember and project an aura to other AI that they have been attacked by you, thus other People/Guard AI Scripts will provide assistance against you the Player Faction. AI respond to help out the party that has been attacked, if you walked into sightline to trigger aggro, then Npc has the openly attacked player and friendly AI will come to your aid instead. Umbra, she may not be a hostile faction to most AI even though she is openly aggressive idk.
Yea, if iirc the "proper" (or more "proper" way) is to have her initiate combat on you then run into town, that way the guards will take the PC's side in the fight (making her "hostile aura" not also be the "has been assaulted aura", so the guards might intervene on the PC's side); assaulting Umbra will not do this (as shown in the vid).
She's not openly aggressive though. If Micky had befriended npc's in town, they may have taken his side before guards got involved and then guards would choose to protect the npcs rather than protect umbra
I remember playing a dark brotherhood mission and taunting my victim into attacking me, so the imperial guard in the room would help me kill him instead of the other way around
@@yeoremuthare677 can't you talk to her to trigger her to try and kill you though? kinda like Umbra from morrowind?
@@louthinator Iirc you can, you talking to her is basically required for making her the aggressor, at least in the eyes of the guards.
If the world were to end tomorrow, know that you made this video, this intro, and added in _Sledgehammer_ every, single, time you swung your sledgehammer without fail. Know that you've done the Lord's work, and know that it was glorious.
Loved the MIDI rendition of Sledgehammer. Made my day
I thought it was a MIDI rendition of the TABS theme. The melody sounds so similar in this style
Hell yeah man, he said Peter Gabriel and I started singing sledgehammer, that midi was a lovely surprise
At first I was afraid this would be far too easy of a challenge, but I knew you could figure out a way to make it work
I love the phrasing of this comment juxtaposed with the content of the video.
I was petrified. Kept thinking I could never live without you by my side
This is really "How not to defeat Umbral (Featuring the Gatekeeper at the end)"
Haha, I love it!
The way the bounty thing worked is actually pretty simple I think. Umbra simply reports your assault once she's in the city since there are guards to report to
Really enjoyed the editing in this one! May the algorithm bless you
Very good job my fellow basement degenerate
@@isag5932 basement dwellers by ❤️ lol
Think it has blessed him, he had about 10k subs when TH-cam showed me him
@@Guitar-Dog true... and still he deserves more!
Love that Micky threw in a beating umbra at lvl 1 sequel in this video. What a lad
That "Sledgehammer" midi sure gets put to good use
Challenge: Change Elder Scrolls history by killing Mehrunes Dagon yourself.
Oooooo Tyler I like this one
@@MickyD Emperor Micky D
This is actually possible to do. You just need the wabbajack.
@@cones914 Ez with destruction and weakness debuffs. Drain endurance + damage health might also work.
@@TheVacationist I just wanna see someone flop Dagon with a drain fatigue spell
I love how you spent most of the video setting up than actually fighting the gatekeeper
ever since your video trying to defeat Gaenor, Umbra, Vivec at level 1 etc, I knew this would come eventually. This gonna be good.
I know it's not your normal style but these "challenge" videos of doing the most random nonsense are my favourite. I would love to see more of these :)
Fun fact-
When I first played this game, I played with my die hard oblivion loving friend. Secretly I made the difficulty like…*really* low.
We got to the shivering isles and when faced with the guardian, I legitimately used my bare hands to beat the hell out of him and my friend was shocked that it worked!
A lot of fun that play through was.
@PlasticHarp being fast and punching things> actual strategy
Mate, Sledgehammer absolutely slaps, so happy when you put that in
i was busy grinding the lovely oblivion to 100% when this comes up, how perfectly coincidental
God damn PlayStation with no backwards compatability and setting for shittily “streaming” older games with virtual machines.
I believe when you fast travel to the waterfront before meeting umbra, you didn't wait 3 days. Regardless though, your editing in this video was top notch mate! Thank you for the video and it's really cool to see another oblivion video!
Umbra > Gatekeeper
The fact that you restarted the entire challenge but still left the first attempt in the video was amazing to me, was not expecting that and laughed so hard
this felt a little anticlimactic after the build up, was a funny journey anyway though, watching you die over and over to umbra made it worth it. great stuff.
That's why leveled difficulty is bad, that thing should be able to decimate you at level 1
The saying goes,: "It's all about the journey, not the end of the rainbow."
Ive never seen the guards act like this. Ive taken Umbra out several times using this method, and ive never gotten a bounty.
Certified Micky moment
It all depends on how you enter the city. If you go through the waterfront this happens. If you go through the talos district the guards help you.
@@cbassthefirst1343 good to know! Guess the guards just assume the HoK is a criminal if they're being chased by someone in the waterfront district? Lol
@@cbassthefirst1343 so that's what I did wrong
For when you bait Umbra, if you buy skooma from shady sam outside one of the entrances to the imperial city before you visit her, you can outrun her.
You could've also just kept her underwater and she'd have drown
@@lyberatis no they don't, provided you keep them at a certain depth, they swim along a certain depth underwater dependent on the lake floor height
Dammit Mickey. I just got sledgehammer unstuck from my head and now here we are. What a good tune for a great vid!!
i didnt know you could hit those stones with flare and they will fall. nice. props to you for not using exploits.
If I remember correctly you need to be able to do the Clavicus Vile quest and then talk to her. I think she aggros afterwards and that's when you can get help from guards.
I'd agree with you if he didn't say he already tested this. My guess is before he got into a city umbra aggrod on a random person so by the time micky got in the city limits umbras last event wasn't being assulted but being the assulter meaning no bounty for mick but a bounty for her
@@xavmanisdabestestI think you're right. Im playing oblivion again for the millionth time lmfao, and did this recently. Had her chase me into the imperial city, and she attacked a bunch of NPCs on the way, and the guards immediately went after her when we got into the city.
It's because he attacked her first, she reports his assault when she enters town.
I used to kill umbra by getting a couple varla stones and the blue ones and buying apotheosis from the staff store in the imperial city, although that staff can pretty much kill anything and I've used it through the entire game before (to the horrible detriment to my stats of course) and it would soft lock me from being able to kill anything in the game without it lol
I might be wrong, but I thought you could restore your stats by praying at an altar. That's what I'd do after downing a bunch of skooma for that speed boost
@@Uncle480 you can but what I'm saying is I didn't have high blade or blunt or even armor skills cause I laserblasted everything from afar
There is a ledge you can sit on that I can't reach you at in the ruin, just sit there and shoot arrows and fire and it should work over time
Love the challenge vids! When I was a kid playing Oblivion my brother and I would always hide on a pillar above where she spawns in Vindasel and just pelt Umbra with flare/firebolt and arrows.
EDIT: Also the MIDI Sledgehammer playing whenever you had the hammer out was my favorite part of the episode
I remember the first time I played Oblivion, I was like 11 or 12. And I was not paying attention to what the "real" methods of beating him were, so I just charged in.
What I DID know was the duplication and Chameleon exploits. So, with 100% Chameleon armor, Umbra's sword (that I got by killing her with 100% Chameleon armor), and the easiest difficulty possible, I hammered away at the Gatekeeper until he finally died after like 10 minutes of just straight hacking and slashing. Good times.
I once defeated everyone in the arena with nothing but stormrider scrolls.
The 16 bit rendition of sledgehammer playing every time you used it made me crack up
I will forever and always love your musical references Micky.
Never Change!
This was so much fun to watch, thank you for consistently making enjoyable Elder Scrolls content!! :) your videos are inspiring to me!
Micky D + Oblivion = Great TH-cam viewing ♥️
Caudette: "I've everything for the budding alchemist -"
Micky D: "Yeah, but do you have fekkin skooma? No? Then you're worthless."
🤣
perfect timing for my lunch break thank you micky always enjoy your vids
First time I played oblivion when I was 6, I just used apotheosis on the gatekeeper because I could not figure out where to go for bone arrows.
Hey man your morrowind videos inspired me to start playing morrowind myself and I have to say I really am loving it, thank you for swinging me onto a amazing game
Mickolas Dee, what a fine lad.
Love the editing as always Micky, the 8-bit Sledgehammer was top. I want to see a mod where that track plays when you pull out the sledgehammer.
Now, the next challenge, how not to be given a bounty of Umbra
This is the most anticlimactic video in a few ways, but I mean that in the best way. 10/10
Damn. This is high quality stuff man. Good work!!
Bro you went all out on this one!
Great stuff Micky D
This is me fav vid on your channel. Editing is hilarious. Love the bits of music whenever you get sidetracked
I’m dying every time that sledgehammer tune plays 🤣
such a dramatic rollercoaster of a build-up only to end in an unceremonious slaughter, fucking comedy gold
Another gem, keep it comin brother we appreciate it loads.
FANTASTIC editing here mate! Keep it up
The earliest I ever got here, nice!
You were within 2 minutes of being number one..like you're in the too four for first comment so congrats on that..💪
The second you said Toto, Bless The Rains started looping in my head. The video has been done for a minute.
Great video Mickey, made my day!
Ya know I had just seen your meme a few months ago and now you're posting videos and I really enjoy your content, man!
I really enjoyed this! Especially the music you added to the fights and the ni ni ni ni... X3
I lost it when the MIDI sledgehammer came on, nice touch!
Loving this schtick! Keep at it :D
love the hours of preperation and you just killed it with umbra
Thanks! Was just trying to find something to watch before sleep.
Goodnight and God bless man..sweet dreams they're not what they always seems but when the morning comes they're all said and done..
I almost forgot the challenge was to kill the gatekeeper with how long it took you to kill Umbra.
The editing is great in this one :)
Great vid, was worth all the struggle.
another masterpiece, by that rapscallion of a micky d channel lol
the geter pabriel midi is the icing on the cake
Not only are you playing one of my most favorite games but the Monster Inc music was a nice touch 🥰 subscribed!
I like how i found this video roughly a week after i accomplished this feat. so while i know the answer is yes, i wish to see this mans mind find a way.
Micky: There's a way to buff strength.
Me: Sujamma?
I came here for the video, I stayed for the 8-bit Peter Gabriel...great stuff as always homie.
Top notch vid Mick!
You are the best, Micky we love you
Love the music during combat segments. Great way to break up the quiet :)
This video was super nostalgic for me. When I first was first playing oblivion I was like 10 and really dumb so I never leveled since I didnt know how, lured umbra into the poison chamber and did that same thing then brute forced the gatekeeper because I didnt know there was supposed to be a proper way to do it.
This is my favorite video of Mickolas D
I love your channel Mickey!
Never gets old when Oblivion videos shows up :)
This video is the perfect example of *Stick to the way of the Sword* and you will do fine....
I really like your channel and your content you're awesome my dude
Thanks for uploading this on my birthday
Every time you played sledgehammer it made me so happy.. thanks!
"...I'm gonna visit Shady Sam real quick"
Haven't we all been there
I love the music gag. Especially the one second rat one.
I loved Peter Gabriel!!!!! The edits made me laugh so hard
Micky, you are by far my favorite Elder Scrolls TH-camr. I nearly died from laughter with how quickly the Gatekeeper was killed at the end. Your videos remind me of just how fun and ridiculous these games are. XD And you are also the one that got me to give Morrowind a true fair try, and I absolutely love it! Better late to the party than never, right? Keep being amazing!
Good editing. Enjoyed this one. I wonder if it is possible to beat the gate keeper with just the sledge hammer, vampirism, and skooma.
skooma + sledge hammer will probably still work in lvl 1 he didnt even need umbra and the armor
What an unmitigated disaster of an upload. Easily your best content 10/10
Keep up the great oblivion content!
Blessings of the alhorithm upon ye
"I like this Micky D fellow, but there's just something missing"
YOU COULD HAVE A STEAM TRAIN
"OK, I'm in"
I love this music while fighting in this video. (I don't know if this music plays in the other videos. This is the first video of you I've ever watched) xD
More Mick = More Happiness
Please do more of this videos love em
A naked argonian with a sledgehammer…
In the shivering isles you fit right in
Oh this is gonna be a banger for sure
Either i've missed it or you got particularly fancy with the editing on this one. Fun to watch!
In the room Umbra is in, there's a broken pillar in the center. You can climb the pillar and spam fireballs at her. Takes a long time, but she can't hit you.
An easy way to beat the Gatekeeper at Level 1 even on the hardest difficulty is to start as a mage character, power level your Conjuration skill to 75 and buy the Summon Clannfear spell. It kills the weakest version of the Gatekeeper in 3 hits.
That's some class editing bud
I love how the whole bit with Umbra eventually turned out to be more of a challenge than the gatekeeper itself 😂
Well done my guy well done!
The Peter Gabriel joke is S-Tier
The Peter Gabriel song was a great touch.