Absolutely agree , the super naked bikes are the new era of bikes. Even a Harley guy like myself is starting to look hard at a super naked ride to add to the collection. Nice video.
Whack the throttle wide open on the 1290 and go up through the gears with the quickshifter, suddenly you have a revelation about the way V-twin engines COULD function, if companies (such as KTM) put their minds to it.
Exactly my thinking been riding hard core sport bikes over 40 years, I've ordered the 2020 KTM 1290R should be getting it late this week. First time riding sport V-twin, rode many harleys.
@1socalshocker i just purchased the 2020 1290R waiting for delivery end this week. Finally something that i can ride all day in city. Going from a ZX-14 without any electronics to this. It's going take few day's just learning electonics.
Hi all, thanks for the positive comments on the test. If we're honest there are a couple of reasons for the lack of Tuono... First and foremost Aprilia were unable to supply one for us to use. Secondly, we wanted to include bikes in this test that people actually buy. Whilst we can agree that the Tuono does well in lots of online tests, we're yet to see even one being ridden on the road. Still, we'll be getting a Tuono to use sometime next month and will be doing a full review on it to make up for its lack of appearance in this test! Hope you enjoyed the episode - Bike World Team :)
the first thing that came to my mind after a second of seeing the contestants is where is the tuono. i had to pause the video to see the comment, only to see your reply here. thumbs up
First, let me say it's an awesome video you made. My best videos are naked comparisons. But it's not just Tuono lacking. There is also a Ducati Monster 1200 R and if we would want to nit pick we could mention MV Agusta 1090 (very interesting bike). Still, thanks for the effort, enthusiasm and great vibe you shared with us. Thumbs up!
Good thing you left it out. If you had included it, you would have spoken about nothing else than how fast that bike is, how awesome it sounds, how well it handles etc etc etc. Good thing that all the second place bikes gets a little attention for a change.
Can we get an up to date version of this? I love how they use the argument about liking a bike for not being perfect like how the bmw is very clinical and the ktm is too much bike for most to enjoy long term. Would like to see an update with new spec models
Great review, but for all you Speed Triple haters, I've owned my bike for 4 years now and I'm as happy today as I was the first day I brought it home. It consistently turns heads and once I added a power commander and K&N filter it has more power than I could ever want.
@Wheaten Zoomies Beautiful large "retro-style" single headlight conversion on my 2015 speed triple. Just saying, she looks pretty sweet. Of course I'm biased
When I first watched this a few years ago I routed for the SDR as I wanted one and disagreed with the decision..then a year later I routed for the s1000r. Now I'm watching it again and I want a speed triple 1050 and I'm glad it made it to the end now! All bikes are good just depends what u fancy right here right now
I OWN AN MT10 and the closest i`ve come to riding it is watching TH-cam videos. Hpw sad is that.... That`s life in Norway, winter is harsh BUT bikes are cheaper in winter.
@@robertoconner4041 They grew on me a lot too, and even more since I've owned it. I love the bike! MT-09 is great too I've heard, I haven't had the chance to ride one yet, just the MT-07 which sounded great with the exhaust it had.
Got to love the motorbike press. When John/Superbike magazine did their super naked review, the BMW and KTM blew the triumph away. Now the triumph is apparently the better bike and then up pops a triumph advert. You just can't believe anything you read and watch. Just get yourself a test ride on the bikes you like and make your own mind up. I bought the BMW and it's superb.
That fly by shot of your friend john is awesome! didn't see it coming! Kudos on the creativity! My gsxs 1000 didnt make the list but still a great video!
I've recently gotten into naked bikes, after only riding sport/superbikes for the entire time I've been riding bikes on the road. I'm going to be purchasing an Aprilia Tuono V4 R APRC next month if everything goes to plan. Cool test.
Yamaha is really killing it! They keep sending the other makers scrambling to come up with bikes to compete... They keep outdoing themselves with new and exciting bikes and at good prices! MT-09, MT-07, R1, FJ-09, XSR900, XSR700, MT-10! What's next?
No offense, but I think that title honestly belongs to BMW. BMW has defined the Adventure Touring bike BMW started this 200hp Superbike war BMW Delivered the 160hp Naked along with KTM in 2014. BMW just came in and capitalized on Ducati's Adventure Sport touring line( Multistrada) and now they are making headlines with that along with the Superduke GT. Honda still owns the Japanese market for some god Forsaken reason and BMW still holds the high end European end.. Yamaha is just making competitive bikes, but they are generally late as far as sending people scrambling.
I'd pick the speed triple. Love the sound of the 3cyl, 140hp is more than enough for the street and it looks fabulous. I love the improvements they made on the looks, especially the tank and its in my opinion by far the best looking bike of the bunch.
I couldn't agree more. I traded my street triple in for the KTM , and while its a great bike, it just has too much for the road. I just never liked how it looked or felt on the road. I traded it for the speed S last month and the Triumph feels better on the road, you can explore the throttle more, the engine is 10x smoother, and that 3 cylinder howl is intoxicating. I'd definitely go with the Speed for sure!
Just picked myself up a '11 S3 1050. pleased by this really. Not the same bike I know, suspension differences, weight etc, but still. Also, John...that helmet...pure yes.
Really liked the brake test bit, it wasn't just the distances but the feel you described. Would like to see more of those brake test comparisons more often
Andy George yeah has that reputation, but its more about the actual feel and amount of strength you need to apply where it sucks. Stopping power is good.
Fan fuc***g tastic. Almost given up with MCN these days, since you guys came along. 3..2..1.. BMW :-) But that's just me. MT-10 is a real Peach though, I'd be happy with either!
Like MCN could EVER do a review/comparison this good. They are the most unprofessional professionals around. Most "one man with a camera" "bloke next door" type reviews are better than MCN.
This is such a bad test its not even funny. You mention the wrong HP numbers for the 1290, never mention that the s1000r is completely buzz at highway speeds, the MT-10 has insanely short gearing, you never mention what mode any of the bikes are in because that changes the ABS breaking results, and you say you made it up about 170 MPH on the BMW and KTM yet both bikes top out at just about 160. Also where is the Monster 1200r and Tuono? I have ridden all 4 of those bikes and the KTM is by far the easiest to ride every day because of the massive amount of torque and its breaks are not the worse.
1. KTM claims the 1290 makes 173hp, as claimed at just past the 3 minute mark in the video. 2. We said the MT-10 has shorter gearing which is why it was harder to get off the line than the S1000R. 3. We had an 'indicated' 175mph on the KTM so you're wrong again. 4. For the love of God, motorcycles use BRAKES, not breaks. 5. We didn't say the KTM's BRAKES were the worst, we tested all four of the bikes at 60mph and the KTM took the longest to stop due to the intrusive ABS. Software is just as important as hardware. Thanks for the well thought out comment though! Try harder next time.
KTM claims the 1290 makes 180 HP. Google can find it for you its on every website that does a review or info of the bike. You also had the Akrapovic can on the bike so it makes slightly more at the crank. There is no way the bike "indicated" 175 MPH. I own the freaking bike and it stops indicating at around 160 MPH, and other reviews have had there bikes max around the 160 MPH mark. It taking the longest to stop would say its the worse of the 4, but you not saying what mode each of the bikes were in because the ABS on all 4 is adjustable doesn't do the test any good. You riding the bike in street vs sport makes a big difference in how the ABS engages.
Given that we were on the press launch for the 1290 SuperDuke GT which makes 173hp and one of KTM's main points was that it made the same power as the supernaked, we're pretty confident 173hp is the correct 'claimed' figure. Also, look up any top speed run of the 1290 on TH-cam and the bike indicates up to 299kph which is closer to 180mph. For the record, all of the bikes were tested in their sportiest mode.
Well then someone misrepresented it to you there because the GT makes 173 HP the R makes 180 HP. Every review from 2014 when the bike came out says 180 HP and the bike hasn't changed since.
Well that's the funny part. I would say... turn everything on, take a passenger and go ride on RAIN mode for 8 hours... I never EVER had any bike of which I could ride 8 hours... stop at a car wash... and went for the local harbor to have a couple of more hours of fun...
cmon guys seriously speed triple wins the comparison and then you drop a Triumph commercial ? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH talk about product placement and being biased..
Not related, if you look back we've been running that ad for a while. The presenters have nothing to do with any advertising, the bikes were their own choices...
what you mean not related, the ad is runing and then the guys come here on this episode and tested bikes with different cans , they both have obviously different weights and give opinions on how the bike was "unstable at high speed " .. the Triumph wins the impossible and after that the commercial runs in again .. how is all of this not related?
What you want from naked bike actually a character and soul. BMW being too German which good if you statistics reader. No one will choose to visit Munich over Paris. If you know what I mean. You want performance to be deciding factors.. welcome to superbike category.
Always interesting hearing other people views. I've actually been on an MT10 demo today, had it for 4 hours while my MT09 was being serviced. I thought quite the opposite to BW, it felt unexciting on acceleration, a little heavy in the corners, the brakes lacked bite, and it's very cheap looking up close...truthfully I got bored on it. There's lots to like though, like the price, you do get a lot of bike for £10k, it's comfortable and the suspension did a good job of the UK roads. Thought I was interesting at the beginning how the guy said what a cracking bike the s1000r was, that it had character and basically praised it to high heaven then at the end on the beach agreed that it was clinical, and didn't leave a lasting impression, which contradicted what he said earlier. Another point was that you walk away and don't look back..what and you do with the MT and the Speed...please. Sorry but this felt like an MCN review...which is bullshit. Please don't go down the MCN route.
Lol dude... The Brembo's of the SD1290R outclass those of the S1000RR. The ABS on my SD1290R learned me one thing... if it has to interfere it's because I'm fucking up, making mistakes or need to review my techniques... not the other way around.
Had the same thing... accelerated on SPORT mode out of a corner while still in a rather deep angle... The ABS and traction control blinked, the steering damper saved my life and my buddy on the S1000RR HP4 said: 'you know... when Jebus takes the weel'. Which is pretty much the best description of the ABS and traction control on the KTM SD I ever heard.
See my first post. This video is just plain wrong due to the rider and I don't feel like I even have to defend those M50 MONOBLOCS to people who don't own either an SD1290R or an S1000RR.
Is rider weight taken into account? The larger gent is probably a good 40 lb heavier than the other. Why discuss bike weights when the difference is 10-20 lb, and not the other weight factor? BMW also seemed to receive the most accolades during the testing, but the triple was chosen to compete with the Mt-10, confused as to the reasoning.
I went from an older Yamaha SRX6 to a Yamaha MT10 and love it. Soooo Much power its scary , It took me 2 weeks to take it out of touring mode and into sport. I have not touched race mode yet.
After riding the Speed Triple, the seating position on the Speed triple is more like a sport bike not a naked bike (pegs are WAY to high on the speed triple and im only 5'11), as where the MT10 is much more up right and comfortable to ride than the Speed Triple. Not sure why they did not mention this in their review.
@@joelg2751 Not true, the triumph 'only' has 138HP (@13:56). Think they left out the kawa purely because they could not get their hands on it. Same goes for the Tuono.
When in doubt always chose the Japanese bike always more reliable and cheaper to own in the long run. I know this is an old test but very well done and the bikes haven't changed that much, great test, thanks helped me to make up my mind, I know what I'm buying.
The KTM is super refined, smooth, fast, comfy etc and is special. I get tons of thumbs up and compliments, not that i really care about that stuff, but it is nice and worth it for the smiles and noise it makes. And way to not have the 1200R or the tuono rsv4
Great test! There are so many comparisons on youtube between those bikes and I appreciate that you bring something different like dragracing and break testing. Don't forget to mention that the package for the BMW adds to the price. 1290 is the best for the street in my opinion.
To me the SD1290R is a unique experience. Not because of the hillbilly torque or whatever but this bike is just engineer so amazingly well. The rims, the brembo brake system, the quickshifter, the black led light, that AMAZING WP suspension... Even when driving slowly this bike is putting a smile on your face like no other of these shitbikes in this review will.
Really like the instrumentation and menus as well (big analogue tacho). Riding position is nice. Narrow design between your legs with the v-twin. Orange frame looks awesome. Amazing throttle feel, its so precise yet smooth. Its as if the 690 smc-r and RC8 had a child xD Front Led DRL looks so good too. The included toolkit is good too, really easy to adjust the chain tension which I did 2 weeks back. Yes the rims have a great quality feel, all paint is solid too.
I've ridden the Super Duke and Speed triple. I currently own a MV dragster RR and would put it against both of these bikes on looks, acceleration, braking and the thrill factor anyday of the week. I will say that the speed is a better all around bike though.
Great comparison video, it isn’t just about top speed or peak HP. You’re talking about the things that most ordinary riders value in a super-naked. I personally own the Speed Triple and love it for its style, comfort, and torquey “whistling” engine. But the MT10 is a fabulous bike. The BMW is great if a little blah. I’m not a fan of the KTM styling or pricing.
I've been on 4 cylinder bikes for the last 15 years. I took a test ride on a Monster 1200 and the Super Duke R. I've sold my last 4 cylinder bike since then hahaha. I'm saving up for a Super Duke R.
awesome test and hilarious at the end there, keep up the great work, top gear of the bike world. Your test made me buy the Trumpy Thruxton R...... Its just wonderful :o)
First off thanks for the awesome content! Of course it's quite tough to get the whole spectrum of bikes in the category but maybe there will be a part 2 ;) the one thing the surprised me is the brake test. Having ridden all most of the supernaked, the MT-10 was definitely the one who was feeling like it had sluggish brakes. Where all the other bikes in the most aggressive mode? The ABS setting vary greatly depending on the mode. PS: great control at the drag lunches, theses beasts usually won't keep the front wheel on the ground.
Im still a die hard Triumph fan boy (I have a 2014 Speed Triple) So I may well disagree with your choice of a winner/favourite. However it was good to see you guys give the plucky brit a shout. Great show guys ;-)
I loved the review and the tests and feel in the real world these tests are relevant. I've always felt a well set up Harley is all you really need to learn to ride fast and in some respects this is still true until this bike come along. Your review made me feel this bike is my next bike, basic electronics that work well, great riding position, noise from the engine, price point and the list goes on. The test bike was exactly what's been said and I felt right at home. With the skills I've picked up doing the Stay Upright coarse at Lakeside raceway and the many miles on a Harley this bike feels like the next level of performance and handling on a motorbike I don't have to modify at all. Wheel standing out of corners is a little different to drifting out of corners but I'll get used to that. I'm f3cking excited. I pick up my new MT-10 in all black this week with only two mods, a tidy tail and stone protector grills for the radiator and cooler.
Steve C If you look at dye charts, and the spec sheets the 1190sx actually put down more hp than both the tune, and 1290r. The thing about the EBR is it has very tall gearing, and weighs less than all of the bikes in the video.
Steve C I could say the same for KTM and their track record of basically being expensive piles of shit that do nothing but break, and catch on fire while simultaneously costing thousands more, and getting a machine that is no better than any other bike. Or I could point out that the BMW is stupidly expensive, and while they have a great reliability reputation, they are so insanely fucking expensive, and every little part requires an expensive special tool. Oh, and lets not forget aprilia... Well I actually quite like aprilia so i will let that one slide.
How come no one mentions headlights in reviews? The lights on my Speed are terrible and I ride at night a lot. Are the new ones still bad? Are the LEDs on the MT-10 good or are they too small? How does the cruise on the MT-10 work? The Speed doesn't have that either.
Interesting test, how exactly do you to compare 4 bikes and only take 2 on the road test and then come up with the MT10 as a winner simply because the 1290 didn't do well in the ABS test which was only run once? There are a few variables to consider like tire temps etc? How do you know how the test bikes compare in real world riding with for instance ABS and traction control off and on? What about the hooligan factor, some wheelies and fun stuff, that's why most of us buy them right? On what bike will you have the most fun?? That's the bike you ultimately going to buy!!!
Nice episode:). Shame Aprilia and Ducati are absent. Triumph super naked- I have some doubts...but stil has his hooligan character. Why Speed Triple didn't drag race with MT10?
I am a brand new rider and I have a dumb question. At 7:19 it looks as if he's forcing his knee down and that the bike isn't leaning no way near enough for the knee to be anywhere near the ground. As if the knee down is the goal, not a result of good cornering. So my question is; am I stupid and wrong or am I correct?
After riding sport bikes over 40 years,am sold on the new 2020 KTM 1290R. What comfort great torque the perfect machine for old road warriors.
Absolutely agree , the super naked bikes are the new era of bikes. Even a Harley guy like myself is starting to look hard at a super naked ride to add to the collection. Nice video.
KnuckleUpFightClub It's just exploding at the minute, they seem to be able to have something to appeal to every type of rider.
@1socalshocker Damn. What do you do for a living?
Whack the throttle wide open on the 1290 and go up through the gears with the quickshifter, suddenly you have a revelation about the way V-twin engines COULD function, if companies (such as KTM) put their minds to it.
Exactly my thinking been riding hard core sport bikes over 40 years, I've ordered the 2020 KTM 1290R should be getting it late this week. First time riding sport V-twin, rode many harleys.
@1socalshocker i just purchased the 2020 1290R waiting for delivery end this week. Finally something that i can ride all day in city. Going from a ZX-14 without any electronics to this. It's going take few day's just learning electonics.
I can't help but think that the whole point of this video was an advertisement for the MT-10.
Hi all, thanks for the positive comments on the test. If we're honest there are a couple of reasons for the lack of Tuono... First and foremost Aprilia were unable to supply one for us to use. Secondly, we wanted to include bikes in this test that people actually buy. Whilst we can agree that the Tuono does well in lots of online tests, we're yet to see even one being ridden on the road. Still, we'll be getting a Tuono to use sometime next month and will be doing a full review on it to make up for its lack of appearance in this test! Hope you enjoyed the episode - Bike World Team :)
the first thing that came to my mind after a second of seeing the contestants is where is the tuono. i had to pause the video to see the comment, only to see your reply here.
thumbs up
same here...
First, let me say it's an awesome video you made. My best videos are naked comparisons. But it's not just Tuono lacking. There is also a Ducati Monster 1200 R and if we would want to nit pick we could mention MV Agusta 1090 (very interesting bike). Still, thanks for the effort, enthusiasm and great vibe you shared with us. Thumbs up!
the monster 1200 R would have been a good competitor in my opinion.....anyway, you guys make great reviews! very informative and well made!
Good thing you left it out. If you had included it, you would have spoken about nothing else than how fast that bike is, how awesome it sounds, how well it handles etc etc etc. Good thing that all the second place bikes gets a little attention for a change.
When was the last time you had seen a funky looking japanese bike that hadnt been crashed.... brilliant quote lol love it.
man..that .MT 10 looks like bumble bee..
So this means that the MT-10 is cool?
Rs is the bumble look
No it doesn’t it looks like megatron’s cock
@@crewe99 KTM looks like a ladybird
Rs got the worst look
Can we get an up to date version of this? I love how they use the argument about liking a bike for not being perfect like how the bmw is very clinical and the ktm is too much bike for most to enjoy long term. Would like to see an update with new spec models
I like this style of reviewing. Direct comparisons in controlled conditions for the same tests. More of this, please!
Great review, but for all you Speed Triple haters, I've owned my bike for 4 years now and I'm as happy today as I was the first day I brought it home. It consistently turns heads and once I added a power commander and K&N filter it has more power than I could ever want.
@Wheaten Zoomies Beautiful large "retro-style" single headlight conversion on my 2015 speed triple. Just saying, she looks pretty sweet. Of course I'm biased
I love this show. I don't know why you guys aren't more popular.
Love these guys and what an asset to have Chris there, probably the most skilled journalist out there.
KTM 1290 Duke 🤗🤗🤗
When I first watched this a few years ago I routed for the SDR as I wanted one and disagreed with the decision..then a year later I routed for the s1000r. Now I'm watching it again and I want a speed triple 1050 and I'm glad it made it to the end now! All bikes are good just depends what u fancy right here right now
Is this a performance review or a preference review.Lol
Spot on!
I OWN AN MT10 and the closest i`ve come to riding it is watching TH-cam videos. Hpw sad is that.... That`s life in Norway, winter is harsh BUT bikes are cheaper in winter.
Probably one of the best episodes of Bike World yet. I hate to say it (as an ex Luke hater) but Luke was great. I am quite impressed, Good job guys.
I have a 2016 Street Triple RX and I look back everytime, love it.
Emphase I have an MT-09, thinking about getting a Street triple as a second bike. The looks grew on me.
@@robertoconner4041 They grew on me a lot too, and even more since I've owned it. I love the bike! MT-09 is great too I've heard, I haven't had the chance to ride one yet, just the MT-07 which sounded great with the exhaust it had.
Got to love the motorbike press. When John/Superbike magazine did their super naked review, the BMW and KTM blew the triumph away. Now the triumph is apparently the better bike and then up pops a triumph advert. You just can't believe anything you read and watch. Just get yourself a test ride on the bikes you like and make your own mind up. I bought the BMW and it's superb.
Got the SuperDuke , ride safe .
That fly by shot of your friend john is awesome! didn't see it coming! Kudos on the creativity! My gsxs 1000 didnt make the list but still a great video!
Cheers! Love your travel vids...
I've recently gotten into naked bikes, after only riding sport/superbikes for the entire time I've been riding bikes on the road. I'm going to be purchasing an Aprilia Tuono V4 R APRC next month if everything goes to plan. Cool test.
Awesome vid,I completely understand why many people find the Yamaha ugly,but it's so different and goofy that I can't help but love it
No Tuono?
You guys are too funny, especially trying to feed him without cracking a smile lol. Awesome video!!!
Yamaha is really killing it! They keep sending the other makers scrambling to come up with bikes to compete... They keep outdoing themselves with new and exciting bikes and at good prices! MT-09, MT-07, R1, FJ-09, XSR900, XSR700, MT-10! What's next?
Don't forget the FJR1300ES! ;) Amazing machine.
the new R6 being unveiled Oct. 4th 2016 is what's next 😎
yeah, the R6 is due, it kinda has been left behind by the rest of the yamaha lineup
R6 totally killed it. Stunning
No offense, but I think that title honestly belongs to BMW.
BMW has defined the Adventure Touring bike
BMW started this 200hp Superbike war
BMW Delivered the 160hp Naked along with KTM in 2014.
BMW just came in and capitalized on Ducati's Adventure Sport touring line( Multistrada) and now they are making headlines with that along with the Superduke GT.
Honda still owns the Japanese market for some god Forsaken reason and BMW still holds the high end European end..
Yamaha is just making competitive bikes, but they are generally late as far as sending people scrambling.
I'd pick the speed triple. Love the sound of the 3cyl, 140hp is more than enough for the street and it looks fabulous. I love the improvements they made on the looks, especially the tank and its in my opinion by far the best looking bike of the bunch.
I couldn't agree more. I traded my street triple in for the KTM , and while its a great bike, it just has too much for the road. I just never liked how it looked or felt on the road. I traded it for the speed S last month and the Triumph feels better on the road, you can explore the throttle more, the engine is 10x smoother, and that 3 cylinder howl is intoxicating. I'd definitely go with the Speed for sure!
Even 4 years later, when were getting a ducati v4 hypernaked, the mt10's sound just steals my heart. It just sounds so mean and pissed off 😍
Just picked myself up a '11 S3 1050. pleased by this really. Not the same bike I know, suspension differences, weight etc, but still. Also, John...that helmet...pure yes.
Love the super duke. One and only, super duke R for me.
New 2020 model improved a lot 👍
Really liked the brake test bit, it wasn't just the distances but the feel you described. Would like to see more of those brake test comparisons more often
Good video, MT10 impressed me with its brakes. Been told a few times the MT10s brakes are a bit rubbish...
Andy George yeah has that reputation, but its more about the actual feel and amount of strength you need to apply where it sucks. Stopping power is good.
Fan fuc***g tastic. Almost given up with MCN these days, since you guys came along.
3..2..1.. BMW :-) But that's just me. MT-10 is a real Peach though, I'd be happy with either!
Like MCN could EVER do a review/comparison this good. They are the most unprofessional professionals around. Most "one man with a camera" "bloke next door" type reviews are better than MCN.
That's what I meant ;-)
why is there no aprilia tuno?
Hey Blah :) I know you u meant to say you'd be happy with the Speed Triple, must've been a typo :P
mcn has become boring as fuck.
the sound on that superduke man.... it IS A BEAST
This is such a bad test its not even funny. You mention the wrong HP numbers for the 1290, never mention that the s1000r is completely buzz at highway speeds, the MT-10 has insanely short gearing, you never mention what mode any of the bikes are in because that changes the ABS breaking results, and you say you made it up about 170 MPH on the BMW and KTM yet both bikes top out at just about 160.
Also where is the Monster 1200r and Tuono?
I have ridden all 4 of those bikes and the KTM is by far the easiest to ride every day because of the massive amount of torque and its breaks are not the worse.
1. KTM claims the 1290 makes 173hp, as claimed at just past the 3 minute mark in the video.
2. We said the MT-10 has shorter gearing which is why it was harder to get off the line than the S1000R.
3. We had an 'indicated' 175mph on the KTM so you're wrong again.
4. For the love of God, motorcycles use BRAKES, not breaks.
5. We didn't say the KTM's BRAKES were the worst, we tested all four of the bikes at 60mph and the KTM took the longest to stop due to the intrusive ABS. Software is just as important as hardware.
Thanks for the well thought out comment though! Try harder next time.
KTM claims the 1290 makes 180 HP. Google can find it for you its on every website that does a review or info of the bike. You also had the Akrapovic can on the bike so it makes slightly more at the crank. There is no way the bike "indicated" 175 MPH. I own the freaking bike and it stops indicating at around 160 MPH, and other reviews have had there bikes max around the 160 MPH mark. It taking the longest to stop would say its the worse of the 4, but you not saying what mode each of the bikes were in because the ABS on all 4 is adjustable doesn't do the test any good. You riding the bike in street vs sport makes a big difference in how the ABS engages.
Given that we were on the press launch for the 1290 SuperDuke GT which makes 173hp and one of KTM's main points was that it made the same power as the supernaked, we're pretty confident 173hp is the correct 'claimed' figure. Also, look up any top speed run of the 1290 on TH-cam and the bike indicates up to 299kph which is closer to 180mph. For the record, all of the bikes were tested in their sportiest mode.
Well then someone misrepresented it to you there because the GT makes 173 HP the R makes 180 HP. Every review from 2014 when the bike came out says 180 HP and the bike hasn't changed since.
Almost had it Bike World but you lost it with that last dig at the end. Keep your composure no matter what if you want to remain professional.
Superduke R ❤
Mt-10 win another group test!! Awesome machine!!❤️🤘
Ride the 1290, turn everything off, if you aren't dead come back with a revised opinion.
Ah yes the Pontiac Aztec of motorcycles!
Well that's the funny part. I would say... turn everything on, take a passenger and go ride on RAIN mode for 8 hours... I never EVER had any bike of which I could ride 8 hours... stop at a car wash... and went for the local harbor to have a couple of more hours of fun...
+saisr1 The MT10 is the Pontiac Aztec of motorcycles?
+saisr1 The MT10 is the Pontiac Aztec of motorcycles?
cmon guys seriously speed triple wins the comparison and then you drop a Triumph commercial ? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH talk about product placement and being biased..
Not related, if you look back we've been running that ad for a while. The presenters have nothing to do with any advertising, the bikes were their own choices...
what you mean not related, the ad is runing and then the guys come here on this episode and tested bikes with different cans , they both have obviously different weights and give opinions on how the bike was "unstable at high speed " .. the Triumph wins the impossible and after that the commercial runs in again .. how is all of this not related?
They didn't even drag race it against the others because its down 30 hp but yet makes it to the final two
BMW all day every day
What you want from naked bike actually a character and soul. BMW being too German which good if you statistics reader. No one will choose to visit Munich over Paris. If you know what I mean. You want performance to be deciding factors.. welcome to superbike category.
Always interesting hearing other people views. I've actually been on an MT10 demo today, had it for 4 hours while my MT09 was being serviced. I thought quite the opposite to BW, it felt unexciting on acceleration, a little heavy in the corners, the brakes lacked bite, and it's very cheap looking up close...truthfully I got bored on it. There's lots to like though, like the price, you do get a lot of bike for £10k, it's comfortable and the suspension did a good job of the UK roads. Thought I was interesting at the beginning how the guy said what a cracking bike the s1000r was, that it had character and basically praised it to high heaven then at the end on the beach agreed that it was clinical, and didn't leave a lasting impression, which contradicted what he said earlier. Another point was that you walk away and don't look back..what and you do with the MT and the Speed...please. Sorry but this felt like an MCN review...which is bullshit. Please don't go down the MCN route.
just loving the show guys
Without the Tuono 1100R this is pretty much moot. :D Pretty surprised about the 1290R's ABS, though.
KTM bikes are notorious for long stopping distance under abs
Lol dude... The Brembo's of the SD1290R outclass those of the S1000RR.
The ABS on my SD1290R learned me one thing... if it has to interfere it's because I'm fucking up, making mistakes or need to review my techniques... not the other way around.
Had the same thing... accelerated on SPORT mode out of a corner while still in a rather deep angle...
The ABS and traction control blinked, the steering damper saved my life and my buddy on the S1000RR HP4 said: 'you know... when Jebus takes the weel'.
Which is pretty much the best description of the ABS and traction control on the KTM SD I ever heard.
Vince C your opinion unfortunately has no effect on min stopping distance under abs
See my first post. This video is just plain wrong due to the rider and I don't feel like I even have to defend those M50 MONOBLOCS to people who don't own either an SD1290R or an S1000RR.
Is rider weight taken into account? The larger gent is probably a good 40 lb heavier than the other. Why discuss bike weights when the difference is 10-20 lb, and not the other weight factor? BMW also seemed to receive the most accolades during the testing, but the triple was chosen to compete with the Mt-10, confused as to the reasoning.
If you listen they said the bmw was clinical. Triumph and yam have character. Hey presto.
I love motorcycles and loved the content for that. Unbiased review, forget it, an infomercial disguised as a review is all this is.
Would love to see a rematch with the newer models🤩
XD
Old is gold ❤️ and brutal
I went from an older Yamaha SRX6 to a Yamaha MT10 and love it. Soooo Much power its scary , It took me 2 weeks to take it out of touring mode and into sport. I have not touched race mode yet.
Just watched for the first time. Liked and subscribed.
After riding the Speed Triple, the seating position on the Speed triple is more like a sport bike not a naked bike (pegs are WAY to high on the speed triple and im only 5'11), as where the MT10 is much more up right and comfortable to ride than the Speed Triple. Not sure why they did not mention this in their review.
I'm Sorry, 9:20, Where did the BMW stop? before or after Yam?
Damn, I love that edition of Superduke...
wheres the z1000 anyway?
z1000 has to little Horsepower all this bikes have 160+ HK
@@joelg2751 Not true, the triumph 'only' has 138HP (@13:56). Think they left out the kawa purely because they could not get their hands on it. Same goes for the Tuono.
When in doubt always chose the Japanese bike always more reliable and cheaper to own in the long run. I know this is an old test but very well done and the bikes haven't changed that much, great test, thanks helped me to make up my mind, I know what I'm buying.
Where was the Aprilia Tuono in this test?
BloodySinner provably you have one and that’s why you asking .... where is my bike ? Why they don’t test ?
anything wrong with that? CyclceCruza's Tuono review was funny as hell... XD
The KTM is super refined, smooth, fast, comfy etc and is special. I get tons of thumbs up and compliments, not that i really care about that stuff, but it is nice and worth it for the smiles and noise it makes. And way to not have the 1200R or the tuono rsv4
Its frikken awefull no bike is less smooth or refined you plonk
Great test! There are so many comparisons on youtube between those bikes and I appreciate that you bring something different like dragracing and break testing. Don't forget to mention that the package for the BMW adds to the price.
1290 is the best for the street in my opinion.
To me the SD1290R is a unique experience. Not because of the hillbilly torque or whatever but this bike is just engineer so amazingly well. The rims, the brembo brake system, the quickshifter, the black led light, that AMAZING WP suspension... Even when driving slowly this bike is putting a smile on your face like no other of these shitbikes in this review will.
Really like the instrumentation and menus as well (big analogue tacho). Riding position is nice. Narrow design between your legs with the v-twin. Orange frame looks awesome. Amazing throttle feel, its so precise yet smooth. Its as if the 690 smc-r and RC8 had a child xD Front Led DRL looks so good too. The included toolkit is good too, really easy to adjust the chain tension which I did 2 weeks back. Yes the rims have a great quality feel, all paint is solid too.
Bit harsh on the other bikes. They definitely are not shit bikes .
I've ridden the Super Duke and Speed triple. I currently own a MV dragster RR and would put it against both of these bikes on looks, acceleration, braking and the thrill factor anyday of the week. I will say that the speed is a better all around bike though.
wow one hell of a way to make a commercial for the MT10 well done chaps!!!
I have no idea how you synchronised that first shot where the bike rides by while you're talking, but man that was slick ;).
If you know the 0-60 or quarter mile time of the bike then time your speech it can be done.
what you dont see is them trying that same shot over and over again until they get the right shot.
Love the bikes and the L-1011s in the distance
Great comparison video, it isn’t just about top speed or peak HP. You’re talking about the things that most ordinary riders value in a super-naked. I personally own the Speed Triple and love it for its style, comfort, and torquey “whistling” engine. But the MT10 is a fabulous bike. The BMW is great if a little blah. I’m not a fan of the KTM styling or pricing.
Brilliant review.
Happy owner of a 2017 Speed Triple R here!
needed the aprillia tuono in the test aswell ..great video though guys
You guys need to redo this test for 2021 with the ZH2 and new Speed Triple.
your mate john on a super naked flying by gave me the biggest smile :) nice way to start the video
very good review and I bet that mt10 is gonna outlast others plus is gonna be more reliable and trouble free.
I believe you are right sir, Japanese bikes are so reliable, I’ve had lots of them
I've been on 4 cylinder bikes for the last 15 years. I took a test ride on a Monster 1200 and the Super Duke R. I've sold my last 4 cylinder bike since then hahaha. I'm saving up for a Super Duke R.
ktm bikes just , , , , , OOOOZE attitude. from 125cc up to super king. performance to match too.
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Supernaked Group Test 2016" without Monster 1200 R :)
At the beginning of the video you said you didn't feel the bike stable, which one were you referring to?
awesome test and hilarious at the end there, keep up the great work, top gear of the bike world. Your test made me buy the Trumpy Thruxton R...... Its just wonderful :o)
MT-10 is an amazing motorcycle, super naked bikes are way more practical for street riding and comfortable
Please do it again with supernaked 2019 or 2020
real nice! do more!!
First off thanks for the awesome content!
Of course it's quite tough to get the whole spectrum of bikes in the category but maybe there will be a part 2 ;)
the one thing the surprised me is the brake test. Having ridden all most of the supernaked, the MT-10 was definitely the one who was feeling like it had sluggish brakes.
Where all the other bikes in the most aggressive mode? The ABS setting vary greatly depending on the mode.
PS: great control at the drag lunches, theses beasts usually won't keep the front wheel on the ground.
awesome video just exactly what I wanted to see
The quick stop test on the KTM is possibly subjective due to the various tweaks you can do with the settings on ABS/TCS and so on.
Whoa whoa whoa wait one min.....how can you NOT include the Aprilia Tuono in this test?
ssbbmoto Aprilia didn’t want their bike included in the test.
What is that jacket John is wearing toward the end with the quilted leather?
Thanks for another great video, guys.
wich one was more stable at high speed? didnt understand it.
thanks
april 2020..quality never ends
How did it feel riding on the back at a high rate of speed? Was the ride smooth?
Where are the Brutale (either 800RR or the 1090) and the Tuono?
where is the aprilia?
What aprilia
Why you didn't test the Aprilia Tuono V4 1100RR? :-(
Went to shop to buy a bmw s1000r ended up buying speedtriple awesome sound and bike .well done triumph you make the best bikes at moment
Im still a die hard Triumph fan boy (I have a 2014 Speed Triple) So I may well disagree with your choice of a winner/favourite. However it was good to see you guys give the plucky brit a shout. Great show guys ;-)
Where is the z1000? or did i miss the previous video?
Very good vidéo and very interesting one. Thx for comparing some important part of each bike
I loved the review and the tests and feel in the real world these tests are relevant. I've always felt a well set up Harley is all you really need to learn to ride fast and in some respects this is still true until this bike come along. Your review made me feel this bike is my next bike, basic electronics that work well, great riding position, noise from the engine, price point and the list goes on. The test bike was exactly what's been said and I felt right at home. With the skills I've picked up doing the Stay Upright coarse at Lakeside raceway and the many miles on a Harley this bike feels like the next level of performance and handling on a motorbike I don't have to modify at all. Wheel standing out of corners is a little different to drifting out of corners but I'll get used to that. I'm f3cking excited. I pick up my new MT-10 in all black this week with only two mods, a tidy tail and stone protector grills for the radiator and cooler.
half way through the intro you guys already got my sub
really enjoyed watching that! I was also surprised there was no Tuono, but also no Monster. what gives?
Would have loved to see you test the EBR 1190sx as it is more powerful than all of them.
Ehhhhhh I doubt it'd outpower the Tuono (not included) or 1290R but it's definitely a good point.
Steve C If you look at dye charts, and the spec sheets the 1190sx actually put down more hp than both the tune, and 1290r. The thing about the EBR is it has very tall gearing, and weighs less than all of the bikes in the video.
I think we're splitting hairs, but I can think of several things about the EBR that turn me off... one major one is their track record.
Steve C I could say the same for KTM and their track record of basically being expensive piles of shit that do nothing but break, and catch on fire while simultaneously costing thousands more, and getting a machine that is no better than any other bike. Or I could point out that the BMW is stupidly expensive, and while they have a great reliability reputation, they are so insanely fucking expensive, and every little part requires an expensive special tool. Oh, and lets not forget aprilia... Well I actually quite like aprilia so i will let that one slide.
Someone is a little salty that their beloved boat anchor is being forgotten in time. Bye bye :)
If you enter the “Super Motard”-mode on the SDR the braking would be very different. The ABS kicks in way too early as the rear wheel gets light.
Which bike was the bike you were riding that felt unstable at high speeds?
how come there is no shot of the BMW 60 to 0 break test...where did it stopped?
How come no one mentions headlights in reviews? The lights on my Speed are terrible and I ride at night a lot. Are the new ones still bad? Are the LEDs on the MT-10 good or are they too small? How does the cruise on the MT-10 work? The Speed doesn't have that either.
Laying in each other's arms at the beach. Nice!
Interesting test, how exactly do you to compare 4 bikes and only take 2 on the road test and then come up with the MT10 as a winner simply because the 1290 didn't do well in the ABS test which was only run once? There are a few variables to consider like tire temps etc? How do you know how the test bikes compare in real world riding with for instance ABS and traction control off and on? What about the hooligan factor, some wheelies and fun stuff, that's why most of us buy them right? On what bike will you have the most fun?? That's the bike you ultimately going to buy!!!
Great episode.
tuono is missing....
Nice episode:). Shame Aprilia and Ducati are absent. Triumph super naked- I have some doubts...but stil has his hooligan character. Why Speed Triple didn't drag race with MT10?
I am a brand new rider and I have a dumb question. At 7:19 it looks as if he's forcing his knee down and that the bike isn't leaning no way near enough for the knee to be anywhere near the ground. As if the knee down is the goal, not a result of good cornering. So my question is; am I stupid and wrong or am I correct?
good review right up to the open face helmut