Joseph Canova not only that, but a bag that’s not even supposed to contain actual food... the food is supposed to be in a container before put in there lmfao
my favorite was the first guy who got a slice of pizza from Dave, then told the OTHER stranger to have a good day. That's some real midwestern shit right there and I love it
Thats what he misses on the chicago reviews. If you aint gettin car or pizza jacked- the people are a lot more approachable than the NY or jersey ones lol fuckk jersey
@@willtalksdisney7477 homeless people in Chicago get free food every day. Sit outside a high traffic are and you either get people giving you to go boxes all day or boatloads of cash.
@@seanmatthewking i go by them every single day. The same people are in the same spots every day. The restaraunts they sit by are on a first name basis most of the time. I eat lunch and watch people give them food every day.
Except the homeless guy had to ruin it all by being rude as fk. Just because you homeless doesn't mean you gotta be like that, matter of fact, that attitude of his is exactly why he's homeless.
@@thatdarnmage1515 the dude offered, then wasn’t gonna eat the rest of it… I don’t see how feeding the homeless food that was offered to them is a bad thing LMAOO
Seagull killer made like his prey and swooped in hard on those slices. Who knew a windshield sun visor doubled as a pizza storage sack. Learn something new every day boys...
haha, yeah he is, isn't he? Then when Dave offers him a slice, he tries to act all non-challant about it, ""...uh, yeah, sure, I"ll take one.." Hilarious.
I had Giordanos as my obligatory deep dish pie when I visited Chicago and I literally thought it was the best pizza I’ve ever had. So did my wife. It’s definitely a knife and fork pie. The crust is so damn good.
I had Giordano's for the first time a few months ago in Las Vegas and I was absolutely blown away. "The bus pulled up, the door opened and I was taken to school". I love pizza and until that day I had no idea what real pizza actually tasted like. I had the sausage and pepperoni deep dish and it spoiled me for life. I just ordered a six pack of them online for my super bowl party. I can't wait!
Whole family from Chicago and every visit we murder Giordanos. It’s a chain and people say chain stuff isn’t the best but that place is delicious. I’m glad u could enjoy something from my home.
@@j3n1us I’m the same way, whenever I have friends over from different states. And we’re hungry for some pizza. I always recommend Gio’s stuff. Almost everyone I’ve taken there have enjoyed it. I gotta friend from Wisconsin that can’t wait to eat Gio’s every time he comes to Chicago.
@@sergiodabawse yup, i don’t live there anymore but anytime I go to visit family each year we make it a point to eat as much G as possible lol. And gyros of course. Even the pizza review king himself gave it a massive score so it must be good. And that’s not even his style of pizza.
My husband grew up in Chicago southside and I grew up in Cali and never knew what real pizza tasted like until he took me there. There is nothing like a Chicago pizza.
Prez just attracts other legends I swear. Thats my favourite part about some of these episodes, the organic conversations and funny moments.... Example - "Killing birds and takin cheese"
Actually, Chicago style pizzas come in 3 styles thin, pan, stuffed. Most locals eat the Chicago thin crust. Pan is a heavy dough pie and the stuffed (deep dish) is usually consumed on special occasions and usually by tourists.
Its not like you are going to make it any messier haha…. eating deep dish with hands is pretty much going to have the same results whether out of a box or out of a bag
This video should have a viewers discretion at the beginning to warn the audience of the violence the pizza is treated with. Its flopped around, thrown in a bag like a banana peel, the box is ripped out of Dave's hands with the pizza bouncing everywhere inside etc. What a mess....
I know it's about the taste of the pizza but I'd also take into account how big the slices of pizza are as well. I love some nice big slices of pizza where you only need like about 1 to 2 slices of pizza then you'll be full. Well worth the money if not only the pizza has big slices but also taste great too. I also love some nice garlic crust to the pizzas too.
I love reviews with random people, this is definitely in my top 5 favourite reviews of yours, number 1 being with the guy looking for the plastic machine 😂
One of my very favourite reviews, this! Great interaction with the passers-by. Went to the International Drive branch of this company when on holiday in Orlando a few years ago. Loved it, but insanely filling...couldn't get anywhere close to finishing it!! Very different to anything we have here in Northern Ireland...but as I say, I loved it!!!
That guy that’s homeless I knew I know who he was . I’m 42 I worked at a family owned Pizza place on Madison and Wells called Mama Falco’s . I worked there from 1992 till 2005 and that guy was a delivery/ dish guy for a couple of years on and off . His name is Mike I guarantee it don’t remember his last name but wow crazy he’s still running around Downtown homeless doing his thing lmao wow
I used to go to Mama Falco’s all the time. I worked at Altman’s Shoes for about a year. Great food at Mamma Falco’s. I would drive there from Roosevelt road too
I did not hear these men thank you. I thank you for your kindness to strangers! I am a new fan and new subscriber!! You are a hero hosting impromptu pizza party gatherings with strangers💖
There are so many hustles going on; simultaneously in Chicago. You just learn to roll with em as they come to you. He found a way to not starve. At least he was polite about it. I've seen Comcheck scams that score $250+ per hit! One man guides out of town truck drivers through construction areas. You've got to admire the drive, but not get suckered either.
You're such a wonderful kind person and you're such a cool person you're awesome we're so proud that you're here in Chicago to enjoy the incredible wonderful tasting Pizza
Giordanos is easily in the 9 point something, I’ve been obsessed with pizza for 20 some years, I’ll do anything to drive to get this pizza. Luckily they have it in Orlando now. I know it’s deep dish pie and different but the taste is so good your eyes can roll in the back of your head.
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that guy putting his pizza in the aluminum bag is the equivalent of the Napoleon dynamite scene putting his tots in his pocket
anonymous crackhead for sure
@anonymous how about Superbad, putting the beer in the detergent containers lolol
anonymous hahahahahahahahaha
LMAO SO TRUE 😂😂😂😂
A+
This dude Dave handles people so well.
It’s crazy
New York does that to you, you’ve already seen it all lol
lol he's just a chill dude who wants to share pizza and chat
Yeah Dave can talk to anyone. It’s a major skill in my book
Because he talks to people before he judges them… a lesson a lot of people need to learn
@@bboysaif8 yeah but he's from MA. Not even Boston.
Has to be top five pizza reviews easy. Dude whips the extra cheese in the bag WTF
Joseph Canova not only that, but a bag that’s not even supposed to contain actual food... the food is supposed to be in a container before put in there lmfao
I’ve been laughing for a good 10 minutes. One of the best I ever seen
Joseph Canova haha
Awesome Chicago!
Massively underrated review. Crazy.
Dave Portnoy actually had random street Chicagoans holding piping hot slices of deep dish in their hands. As a Chicagoan, this is peak entertainment.
my favorite was the first guy who got a slice of pizza from Dave, then told the OTHER stranger to have a good day. That's some real midwestern shit right there and I love it
That was pretty entertaining.
This is not scripted.. live and direct from the CHI😂😂
You mean that he find people to take something for free? In Chicago? Yeah bet that would be tough
Dave is retarded.
This was lowkey my favorite one. Seeing a bunch of different people come together and make jokes while sharin some pizza, pretty wholesome
Exactly and all love man. Just dont kill anymore seagulls
Thats what he misses on the chicago reviews. If you aint gettin car or pizza jacked- the people are a lot more approachable than the NY or jersey ones lol fuckk jersey
Midwestern hospitality nothing beats it
Food Has a Way of bringing Different Cultures & Ppl Together.
whenever Diplomats come together, they should share a pizza and discuss and rate it before doing anything else.
One of Samuel L. Jackson's finest performances.
I thought he looked familiar as soon as he came in frame
Lmfaooo
Hahahaha 🤣😂🤣😂
:D :D :D best comment!
Loooooooooooool
My God, he snatched that box away like he was a seagull himself.
When your homeless and got your next meal for a little bit hell yeah your snatch that box. He did not mess around at all
Lol😭😂🕊
@@willtalksdisney7477 homeless people in Chicago get free food every day. Sit outside a high traffic are and you either get people giving you to go boxes all day or boatloads of cash.
@@dash4800 How would you know how much food and cash homeless people get?
@@seanmatthewking i go by them every single day. The same people are in the same spots every day. The restaraunts they sit by are on a first name basis most of the time. I eat lunch and watch people give them food every day.
That guy nailed it: it's the cheese, and the sauce, and the crust and the taste. Thats what makes it good.
😂😂😂😂😂😂yooo... this had me hollering bro😭
Nah, you know what makes it good? The pizza.
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Love it when people come together, no judgements, just sharing food and chatting.
Except the homeless guy had to ruin it all by being rude as fk. Just because you homeless doesn't mean you gotta be like that, matter of fact, that attitude of his is exactly why he's homeless.
@@Adamz678 you went a bit extreme
Episodes like this are what makes Dave’s reviews the best in the business
yup. absolute trainwreck.
only one homeless guy, everyone knows the rules
The idiot eats cheese pizza. WTF?
this sort of interaction was inevitable in chicago
People in New York will understand you're going to ignore them. Chicago they gonna hunt you the fuxk down lmao
And New York also
@@shaolinsword9845 yeah but you’ll have guys like these in New York too
@@shaolinsword9845 people are nicer in Chicago. Midwest folks. So homeless people don’t just accept they won’t get help lol
@@fwant2729 fuck New York
I fully knew that guy would end up taking the whole pizza in the end
Same here. It was the salvaging of the extra cheese that tipped me off
The poor other guy just wanted another slice lol
@@thatdarnmage1515 the dude offered, then wasn’t gonna eat the rest of it… I don’t see how feeding the homeless food that was offered to them is a bad thing LMAOO
@@thatdarnmage1515 lmao
@@brickfantv another 12 slices
one crackhead everyone knows the pipe
Lol
just one hit, one hit everyone knows the rules
One adderall everyone knows it’s basically legal meth.
@@0mnicide random unrelated and unwitty
fam im laughing so hard lmaooooo
The OG with the blue dress shirt is a straight up low-key boss man
Looks like a mail carrier if you ask me
Not even close. Maybe factory line worker.
BRO what was he even doing there like he came in frame just postteeed in front of the store like what’s going on
Na bro he’s the factory worker he ain’t the boss
@UC2x7h0e24tZJYC2SXKUuqKA you a little bitch you your job doesn’t defy if you a boss or not clown
Momemts like this when ppl just come together like it aint shit warms my heart. Fuck yeah.
I'm from Chicago, and that is the most Chicago video I've seen!
Even the Yankees hat?
@@EzekielDBarrett yup! Even the Yankees hat! Chicagoians don't give a shit!! Lol
Man that shit was too funny
Just wait until you see the one where a car get's stolen right next to them.
That dude came out of nowhere like a happy accident wearing a Bob Ross Tshirt and took half of the damn pizza. Thats whats up.
*more than half of the pizza
LMAO
😂😂
Legend Move.
That dude is going home to his girl under the bridge like a king with some 10 pizza
In a mf aluminum bag that he dropped too
That greedy ass dude ain't got a girlfriend
@@Corn0nTheCobb 😂😂😂
n heroin
@@Corn0nTheCobb he’s just trying to survive
He really went in 4 times always grabbing more pizza and cheese like a straight SAVAGE
The guy in the blue shirt kept trying to talk to Dave about pizza and Junkman just kept talking over him lol
“An 8 from the bird killer” lmao
That one got me too!
“Naw I gave it a ten.”
Seagull killer made like his prey and swooped in hard on those slices. Who knew a windshield sun visor doubled as a pizza storage sack. Learn something new every day boys...
It's a thermo bag
Fred Koch the food is supposed to go into a container before going into the thermal bag lmao!! Dude is a straight crack head
@@Tloc103 yup 😂 he just drops the slices in there 😂😂😂
I know right wasn't even thinking of that
Imagine what the inside of that bag looked like before the pizza even went in..you know that mfer been toting raw foods around in that thing daily
what a SAVAGE.. he said I GOTTA GO TO WORK THEN STAYED STARING AT THAT PIZZA THEN SNATCHED THAT PIZZA THEN FAKE OFFERED A SLICE BACK DANGGGG
I like that! "FAKE OFFERED". Top comment
The way he just those slices in that bag was nuts
He's a god damn vulture
Fucken scandalous
He’s a menace 😂
Blue shirt guy was mad chill
maybe I'm too soft but I think blue shirt should have wanted homeless guy to take the rest
Life before COVID where you could share some slices of pizza with complete strangers and no one even bats an eye
🥲
"Bats" I see what you did there
@@РичардНорз nothing gets passed you comrade
we can just go back to this
Whats covid
I could only imagine what that conversation between Frankie and the homeless guy turned into after the camera went off. Poor Frankie.
Frankie was never found
He probably sold him a mixtape
A lot of those homeless folks are actually good people. It's just that the drugs got a hold of them. It's very sad. @Nice One
@@scbs7768 Lmao, dude this is so true, especially in Chicago.
Who the fuck said he homeless
That guy with the beats earphones was waiting so anxiously for Dave to offer him a piece...
haha, yeah he is, isn't he? Then when Dave offers him a slice, he tries to act all non-challant about it, ""...uh, yeah, sure, I"ll take one.." Hilarious.
@@d.lawrence5670 most people do that when offered free food from a stranger. It's always awkward
Dude I would’ve also 😂 that pizza looks extraordinary
@426ZZZZ stfu, you're on the street
Lmaooo
Love the guy correcting "cheese is the bomb" to the "cheese is great."
BigDaddy Scoops more like Translated
Hes like *sigh...fuckin white ppl* I mean the cheese is good
I had Giordanos as my obligatory deep dish pie when I visited Chicago and I literally thought it was the best pizza I’ve ever had. So did my wife. It’s definitely a knife and fork pie. The crust is so damn good.
It’s the crust! as a Chicagoan no one doesn’t better although Burt’s and pequods are amazing too
I went to this place a couple months ago during a trip to Chicago. Best pizza I’ve ever had.
Tell me about it
one seagull everybody knows the alka-seltzer
Man samuel L jackson really let him self go
That was Samuel L Crackson...
Was thinking he looked a little like him too
I had Giordano's for the first time a few months ago in Las Vegas and I was absolutely blown away. "The bus pulled up, the door opened and I was taken to school". I love pizza and until that day I had no idea what real pizza actually tasted like. I had the sausage and pepperoni deep dish and it spoiled me for life. I just ordered a six pack of them online for my super bowl party. I can't wait!
Whole family from Chicago and every visit we murder Giordanos. It’s a chain and people say chain stuff isn’t the best but that place is delicious. I’m glad u could enjoy something from my home.
@@j3n1us I’m the same way, whenever I have friends over from different states. And we’re hungry for some pizza. I always recommend Gio’s stuff. Almost everyone I’ve taken there have enjoyed it. I gotta friend from Wisconsin that can’t wait to eat Gio’s every time he comes to Chicago.
@@sergiodabawse yup, i don’t live there anymore but anytime I go to visit family each year we make it a point to eat as much G as possible lol. And gyros of course. Even the pizza review king himself gave it a massive score so it must be good. And that’s not even his style of pizza.
My husband grew up in Chicago southside and I grew up in Cali and never knew what real pizza tasted like until he took me there. There is nothing like a Chicago pizza.
This goofball pulling shit out of his inspector gadget bicycle pack had me dying 🤣🤣🤣 Dave is such a wholesome guy
Prez just attracts other legends I swear. Thats my favourite part about some of these episodes, the organic conversations and funny moments.... Example - "Killing birds and takin cheese"
He snatched that pie faster than a mouse trap. LMAO
This dude is a real life seagull himself! Damn! Never seen him get strong armed for his pizza before
Way worse probably
Haha a f***ing seagull 😄 stop
one napkin everyone knows the homelessness
All Day Son Yea right I died
LMFAOOOOOO
Shush
@@nosky2142 cry
Is this a pizza competition? Says the guy with a Bob Ross t-shirt. I don't know why but that just made my whole day.
Actually, Chicago style pizzas come in 3 styles thin, pan, stuffed. Most locals eat the Chicago thin crust. Pan is a heavy dough pie and the stuffed (deep dish) is usually consumed on special occasions and usually by tourists.
spot on
Yeah there's straight Italian neighborhoods where you can get that NY style too.
That doesn't make any sense.
Stuffed pizza is different than deep dish.
“Cheese is the bomb”
What?
“The cheese is great. Translation.”
John O'Mara water is wet.
That guy is the best
AHAHAHAHAHAHA
That was hilarious lol
This video is full of gems including that translation
Taking cheese, and killing birds lol
Im fucking dyingggggggggggggggg bc i got to the part of the video where he says this while bird killer is is scrapping cheese off the box.
Was not expecting any of that
Absolute Electric Factory.
No way he’s just tossing a slice in the bag
It's good pizza
so what are you trying to say... lmao
Its not like you are going to make it any messier haha…. eating deep dish with hands is pretty much going to have the same results whether out of a box or out of a bag
One of the best reviews yet. Dave's people skills are amazing.
This looks like it could be right out of Chapelle Show. “Cracky the pizza addict.”
Came outta nowhere.
yea okay i got that.. what you want some? no okay, i gotta eat you know, hey whats your name?
Truth Teller yo I hate you for this😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
what a greedy a-hole
Hahhahhahahahaha
Lmfao dude had a foil bag ...damn I love Chicago
This video should have a viewers discretion at the beginning to warn the audience of the violence the pizza is treated with. Its flopped around, thrown in a bag like a banana peel, the box is ripped out of Dave's hands with the pizza bouncing everywhere inside etc. What a mess....
Humza Farooqui 😆😆😆 thanks for the chuckles!
Smh no respect
God Dam this comment made me laugh. 😂
It's Chicago fork and knife pizza. What do you expect?
😂🤣 this comment had me crying!
I know it's about the taste of the pizza but I'd also take into account how big the slices of pizza are as well. I love some nice big slices of pizza where you only need like about 1 to 2 slices of pizza then you'll be full. Well worth the money if not only the pizza has big slices but also taste great too. I also love some nice garlic crust to the pizzas too.
Buy one of these pizzas and you can eat for 3-4 days. Best deal around
That’s fair but a review is about quality over quantity. Not about how much bout how well.
I'm from Chicago and when Dave didn't understand what "the bomb" meant blew me 🤣🤣🤣
08:50 Dave's enthusiasm here is unmatched. So excited that someone other than him commented on the 'you dead' line.
I love reviews with random people, this is definitely in my top 5 favourite reviews of yours, number 1 being with the guy looking for the plastic machine 😂
“Killings birds” “taking pizza” got me laughing
“You gotta let it cool down some” I fucking love that
I love the guy who's like "You gotta let it cool down" like he just said the deepest thing ever.
Put that I. Your file Frankie
Lol
Bird killer not so nice after getting half the pie.....
he won't be rewarded in heaven thats for sure. people like him make me sick
One of my very favourite reviews, this! Great interaction with the passers-by. Went to the International Drive branch of this company when on holiday in Orlando a few years ago. Loved it, but insanely filling...couldn't get anywhere close to finishing it!! Very different to anything we have here in Northern Ireland...but as I say, I loved it!!!
This pizza is great!!! Had it last night. First time in Chicago. Absolutely delicious!!!!
Thank you for feeding people that look like they need it, and love this channel
This is a normal day in Chicago 😭💯
Man, i'm binge watching these and i love how chaotic the reviews are.
That guy that’s homeless I knew I know who he was . I’m 42 I worked at a family owned Pizza place on Madison and Wells called Mama Falco’s . I worked there from 1992 till 2005 and that guy was a delivery/ dish guy for a couple of years on and off . His name is Mike I guarantee it don’t remember his last name but wow crazy he’s still running around Downtown homeless doing his thing lmao wow
Did the pizzas show up to the customers half eaten?
“I ain’t no bird killer!”
Who cares?
May God help Mike. Those streets are a rough place.
I used to go to Mama Falco’s all the time. I worked at Altman’s Shoes for about a year. Great food at Mamma Falco’s. I would drive there from Roosevelt road too
Mama Falco’s has a good Breaded Steak too
I used to deliver for Giordano's; awesome gig. Best part is whenever there's a screw-up, we'd get to take this stuff home at the end of the shift.
Brother was waiting for another slice and dude just snatched it 😭😂
That was rude as hell, he didn't even offer that other gentleman another piece 🫤
He snatched up that pizza so fast
Snatched that box up like a seagull.......lol
This video was surprisingly......more entertaining than I originally gave it credit for.
My mans pulled up hot on the bike talking about some free pizza😂😂
The fact this is John Cenas favorite pizza place of all times, makes this more interesting to watch.
Really?
I did not hear these men thank you. I thank you for your kindness to strangers! I am a new fan and new subscriber!! You are a hero hosting impromptu pizza party gatherings with strangers💖
Actually laughed out loud at this. I really needed that. Thank you.
"Killing birds, taking cheese... I love it" This man can have a conversation with anyone about anything. So long as there's pizza.
Bob Ross man is the electric factory manager
really? You're talking about the one in Philly? or is there another one in Chicago?
@@gearsghoul4500 i thought the same thing. Great memories in the e factory with dB
Gentleman # 1:"the cheese is the bomb"
Dave: "what?"
Gentleman # 2: "The cheese is great🙃"
Blue shirt guy was right, I wouldn't shake that hand dawg.
"this cheese is the bomb"...
what?
"translation.. the cheese was great" 😁😁😁
That was so funny!!
I agree with him.
this might be the best review yet. when he started stuffing the cheese in the bag i was dying laughing
One bite, everyone knows I'm hungry now
Correction: hongry
Man, these guys are Chicago in a nut shell.
Man i feel bad for the guy in blue eying the remining last two pieces waiting for the green light, just to have the other dude snatch that box up
I'm from Chicago and Giordanos is my favorite deep dish. But you need to go to vito and nicks for the best thin crust bar pizza
Festering Wound have you ever had papa dells thick crust? Similar to giordanos but a little better in my opinion
Diabeast Fitness no i have not. I live in florida now so no good pizza for me anymore
Papa dells... I haven't heard that name in a long time. UIUC classic.
Hell yeah south side REPRESENT. Also, Connie's on Archer is good as hell too.
@@festeringwound2653 Horrible pizza here in Florida. Especially here in Miami with all the under cooked Cuban pizza everywhere.
We got an 8 from the bird killer! Dead! 🤣🤔
As someone who has experienced real hunger... this hit me different. Way to be a champ, Portnoy. 💪🙏💯
Lmao you gotta love the attitude of the Bob Ross guy. He might be down on his luck, but he is definitely a character.
just a greedy ass crackhead
This guy attracts NPC's like a lightning rod
Frankie hey man what's up, "let me hold 5 dollars".
themrjones 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
themrjones ima need about tree fiddy
themrjones lmao facts
Faaavv dollla nigga
themrjones 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I always come back to this hilarious video when I'm about to order a stuffed Giordano's!
Is it that good
@@bmoneyrancidfan91 yes
@@bmoneyrancidfan91 Ate it in Orlando, FL a couple years ago. It really is.
One Samuel L. Jackson everybody needs to eat.
There are so many hustles going on; simultaneously in Chicago. You just learn to roll with em as they come to you. He found a way to not starve. At least he was polite about it. I've seen Comcheck scams that score $250+ per hit! One man guides out of town truck drivers through construction areas. You've got to admire the drive, but not get suckered either.
This is my favorite review. I love it when random people get together and do random shit
"Anyone want the rest of this?"
Yeah I'll have a slice..
*snatches box*
..nah man you dead.
He deserved to get knocked for that
And then tries to shake his hand, Na get the fuck out of here with that
Yeah that shit pissed me off. You'd think being homeless would teach him to share more.
I like how portnoy is playing along like all of this going on is normal for him - he tries not to offend anyone and offers slices generously
3:44
Biker: "Cheese is da bomb"
Dave: "What??"
Helpful chubby participant: "Cheese is great.. translation."
he said "this cheese is a bum"
its Chicago slang, he definitely did not say "cheese is da bomb"
He def said “da bomb”. You literally hear him make the “D” inflection. Listen again and again.
He snatched the box at the end faster than a rat in the nyc subway
You're such a wonderful kind person and you're such a cool person you're awesome we're so proud that you're here in Chicago to enjoy the incredible wonderful tasting Pizza
8.4! Dave earned my respect on giving my favorite pizza a solid score.
Giordanos is easily in the 9 point something, I’ve been obsessed with pizza for 20 some years, I’ll do anything to drive to get this pizza. Luckily they have it in Orlando now. I know it’s deep dish pie and different but the taste is so good your eyes can roll in the back of your head.
“What you get for eating it?” 😂😂
Dave isn’t invited to the cookout.. he’s hosting it😂
This is hands down the best pizza review I have ever seen. I somehow never seen this