Very interesting, especially regarding the motors. I already bought 6 of the 1.8 nema 17 LDO, when I saw that the LDO Voron kit comes with the .8 for x,y. This clarified it up
Great video series! You've convinced me to finally build a voron. Question: I know that ABS+ is the recommended filament for the printed parts. I would like to be able to run nylon, however. Is the Voron capable? Also, any reason I couldn't use parts printed from a Markforged? I have access to one at work and can get the prints at cost.
I commented on the hotend cooling fan for making printer quiet. I hinted water cooling instead of a fan. If you chose water cooling add the driver chips to the loop.
Hi Nero, This is a great tutorial. I have a question about the board choose. I have a board from my old Ender 5, it names Creality 1.13 board with an Allegro A4988 driver inside. I don't know if I can use this board to build my Voron V2 and save some money. Further infomation， I saw some people use this board couple with raspberry pi to successfully run Kllliper firmware.
Hello. How about a connection with springs or shock absorber at the sockets with the belt, to eliminate any traces of shadows or ghosting on the parts.
Is there any substantial increase in quality/operation by using the TCM drivers and microstepping? The 8bit ramps units have the processing power needed for microstepping?
For the most part. No. Were still running at 1/16ms. The advantage of tmcs is mostly noise reduction and any of the other features they offer you use. For the record my 2208s I use arnt even connected via uart. I dont use/need any of the extra options they offer. As for power. The rpi3 is doing all the computing. The ramps are slaved to it
@@eximiamedia7897 ive hit internal temps of 50-60c in my 250^3 v2, without issues Since voron uses printed parts, even with ABS, i wouldnt want to push about 70c in the chamber.
7 motors is needed for gantry leveling V2, all on 7 separate drivers. I know you have probably found your answer by now, but this is for future googlers and encounterers from the recommended section. SKR Pro only has 6 motor drivers, not enough to do gantry leveling, but could be enough to do triple leadscrew V1 or other 3D printer. Bigtreetech GTR is pretty powerful and has an expansion board, allowing for 6+5 motors, more than enough for V2, however the functionality and speed are pretty limited, and since you're gonna want a Pi for octoprint anyway - might as well run klipper, it has significantly better code, better functionality out of the box and a bajillion other good things. And if you're running klipper... two regular boards (I suggest SKR Mini E3, best bang for your buck ever) are cheaper and more efficient than a GTR (If Klipper even supports GTR, haven't checked). Or, alternatively - you can run a clone Duet 2 + Duex5 (Duex2 would be sufficient, but it isn't cloned). No need for a pi, but it is slower and with less functionality than Klipper. Such is life.
Any thoughts on using a RasPi4 over the 3? You mention the 2560+RAMPS setup doesn't do the computing, would it be fair to say using a 32bit re-arm+RAMPS is not necessary?
its pretty new but should be fine, doubt you`ll see any real performance difference though in printing. As for the 32bit re-arm, un necessary as the RPI is doing all the thinking. If you have one already and klipper supports it, wouldnt hurt to use though.
@@leofortey7561 Id personally stick with a good quality ramps 1.4, like the ones from zyltech, the 1.5/1.6 are not "spec" and quality has been hit and miss from what ive heard, also the mounting holes are different.
I bought 5 of the recommended motors and planning to reuse whatever I can from the the tronxy x5sa pro. I hope the mobo will able to control all motors....LOL and crying my @ss off. The speed at your 3D printer move trips me out...1000mm/sec?
in theory any board that klipper supports will work, i know some people have gone with the mks gen 1.4, there is no multimaterial options for the voron v2 atm.
Nero1911 , do you think it would be compatible with a pallette 2 with canvas hub? Given that both of them work with octopi, do you think there could be a problem?
From what we have seen so far, the SKR board, both 1.1 and 1.3 has an issue where with most chinese a4988 drivers, it has a limited vref setting of 0.8, this can potentially be an issue, as such most of the dev team do not go with that board yet. Id recommend joining our discord and asking around for more information on this subject
@@abbe2068 if you plan on going with tmc drivers. Use the 2208s. 2130s overheat much quicker and have issues supplying the power to the spec motors due to their size.
@@CanuckCreator ok thanks for the help. I want to how is good is voron v2 is that printer better than railcore or not I think is better than railcore is because the 4 motor on z axis is level better than any 3d printer, u have a good experience on this printer,
Firmware is simple, run klipper, even the duet board is supported now, th-cam.com/users/Maglin78videos heres a series on installing it. also feel free to ask around in the discord, unfortunately im the greatest when it comes to klipper knowledge as im still on RRF for the moment
You mentioned stepper motors, but he did not say anything about their rated current. BOM suggests A4988 stepped drivers and 2A stepper drivers, but as far as I know, TMC2208 cannot handle 2A of continuous drive current. Which stepper motors should I choose for TMC's? Will 1,7A have enough torque for Voron 2.1?
So even though the motors are rated to 2a you will not be feeding them that much. I run my extruder at 1.4a. Xy at 1a and z at 1.2a. Most others have roughly the same values. The bigger motors are mostly for the torque. And also. A 2a motor running at 1a runs more efficient,cooler, and with more torque than say a 1.2a motor at the same power.
Scrolling through your youtube comments... Nero, you're doing gods work, some people who won't bother with minimal googling are phenomenal...
Very interesting, especially regarding the motors. I already bought 6 of the 1.8 nema 17 LDO, when I saw that the LDO Voron kit comes with the .8 for x,y. This clarified it up
Excellent series, I've placed 1st orders :) will you continue with whole build process in these tutorials?
Great video series! You've convinced me to finally build a voron. Question: I know that ABS+ is the recommended filament for the printed parts. I would like to be able to run nylon, however. Is the Voron capable? Also, any reason I couldn't use parts printed from a Markforged? I have access to one at work and can get the prints at cost.
Nice series of videos.
Do you consider an updated version for things like octopus or spider board?
I commented on the hotend cooling fan for making printer quiet.
I hinted water cooling instead of a fan.
If you chose water cooling add the driver chips to the loop.
Great video! Is it possible to mix and match the driver boards? Use a Duet for the x, y, and extruder and a RAMPS for the z axis?
It is possible with klipper. Yes
Hi Nero, This is a great tutorial. I have a question about the board choose. I have a board from my old Ender 5, it names Creality 1.13 board with an Allegro A4988 driver inside. I don't know if I can use this board to build my Voron V2 and save some money. Further infomation， I saw some people use this board couple with raspberry pi to successfully run Kllliper firmware.
Will an SKR 1.4 board work? Runs on Marlin 2.0 which does support this motion system right?
Hello. How about a connection with springs or shock absorber at the sockets with the belt, to eliminate any traces of shadows or ghosting on the parts.
Is there any substantial increase in quality/operation by using the TCM drivers and microstepping? The 8bit ramps units have the processing power needed for microstepping?
For the most part. No. Were still running at 1/16ms. The advantage of tmcs is mostly noise reduction and any of the other features they offer you use. For the record my 2208s I use arnt even connected via uart. I dont use/need any of the extra options they offer.
As for power. The rpi3 is doing all the computing. The ramps are slaved to it
Okay. Thanks for the reply. Another question, what's the upper limit of enclosure temperature?
@@eximiamedia7897 ive hit internal temps of 50-60c in my 250^3 v2, without issues
Since voron uses printed parts, even with ABS, i wouldnt want to push about 70c in the chamber.
Marlin 2.0 has gantry leveling, would this then make it a viable option?
7 motors is needed for gantry leveling V2, all on 7 separate drivers. I know you have probably found your answer by now, but this is for future googlers and encounterers from the recommended section.
SKR Pro only has 6 motor drivers, not enough to do gantry leveling, but could be enough to do triple leadscrew V1 or other 3D printer. Bigtreetech GTR is pretty powerful and has an expansion board, allowing for 6+5 motors, more than enough for V2, however the functionality and speed are pretty limited, and since you're gonna want a Pi for octoprint anyway - might as well run klipper, it has significantly better code, better functionality out of the box and a bajillion other good things. And if you're running klipper... two regular boards (I suggest SKR Mini E3, best bang for your buck ever) are cheaper and more efficient than a GTR (If Klipper even supports GTR, haven't checked). Or, alternatively - you can run a clone Duet 2 + Duex5 (Duex2 would be sufficient, but it isn't cloned). No need for a pi, but it is slower and with less functionality than Klipper. Such is life.
Any thoughts on using a RasPi4 over the 3? You mention the 2560+RAMPS setup doesn't do the computing, would it be fair to say using a 32bit re-arm+RAMPS is not necessary?
its pretty new but should be fine, doubt you`ll see any real performance difference though in printing. As for the 32bit re-arm, un necessary as the RPI is doing all the thinking. If you have one already and klipper supports it, wouldnt hurt to use though.
@@CanuckCreator I take it the RAMPS 1.5 or 1.6 is also not an issue?
@@leofortey7561 Id personally stick with a good quality ramps 1.4, like the ones from zyltech, the 1.5/1.6 are not "spec" and quality has been hit and miss from what ive heard, also the mounting holes are different.
3:50, has the duet firmware been updated to include this gantry leveling?
Newton * cm not nano ;)
I bought 5 of the recommended motors and planning to reuse whatever I can from the the tronxy x5sa pro. I hope the mobo will able to control all motors....LOL and crying my @ss off. The speed at your 3D printer move trips me out...1000mm/sec?
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Is it possible to use mks base boards with klipper for voron (easier 24v cfg)?
Is it possible to build it multi material (which boards)?
in theory any board that klipper supports will work, i know some people have gone with the mks gen 1.4, there is no multimaterial options for the voron v2 atm.
Nero1911 , do you think it would be compatible with a pallette 2 with canvas hub? Given that both of them work with octopi, do you think there could be a problem?
@@alonsorealivazquez8335 You would have to look into whether klipper itself supports it, which to my knowledge it does not at this time.
Hi thanks for this video :) can I use the new skr 32bit on my build?
From what we have seen so far, the SKR board, both 1.1 and 1.3 has an issue where with most chinese a4988 drivers, it has a limited vref setting of 0.8, this can potentially be an issue, as such most of the dev team do not go with that board yet. Id recommend joining our discord and asking around for more information on this subject
@@CanuckCreator i gonna use the tmc 2130 if that recommends
@@abbe2068 if you plan on going with tmc drivers. Use the 2208s. 2130s overheat much quicker and have issues supplying the power to the spec motors due to their size.
@@CanuckCreator ok thanks for the help. I want to how is good is voron v2 is that printer better than railcore or not I think is better than railcore is because the 4 motor on z axis is level better than any 3d printer, u have a good experience on this printer,
@@CanuckCreator I was actually was to bay part to the railcore but I chose my when I saw voron v2.
Will you have a video on firmware? I bought a duet before the official release and have no idea where to began. Thank you.
Firmware is simple, run klipper, even the duet board is supported now, th-cam.com/users/Maglin78videos heres a series on installing it. also feel free to ask around in the discord, unfortunately im the greatest when it comes to klipper knowledge as im still on RRF for the moment
@@CanuckCreator Sorry but the playlist you have attached can't be viewed :(
How did you connect the ramps?
Connect to what, the RPI3? Thats over usb
no. how dual ramps connecting?
@@edipkorlaelci8270 both ramps connect to the RPI3 over usb, theres a wiring schematic in the manual
please link.
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You mentioned stepper motors, but he did not say anything about their rated current. BOM suggests A4988 stepped drivers and 2A stepper drivers, but as far as I know, TMC2208 cannot handle 2A of continuous drive current. Which stepper motors should I choose for TMC's? Will 1,7A have enough torque for Voron 2.1?
So even though the motors are rated to 2a you will not be feeding them that much. I run my extruder at 1.4a. Xy at 1a and z at 1.2a. Most others have roughly the same values. The bigger motors are mostly for the torque. And also. A 2a motor running at 1a runs more efficient,cooler, and with more torque than say a 1.2a motor at the same power.
can run 2 z motors on one driver ?
No levelling then. One driver=one signal. Sorry, you're gonna need to go with Klipper or with a Duet+Duex for gantry leveling.