We hope you like them just as much after running in them. To be fair, we found the standard Speedgoats to be a bit narrow at the point the toe tapers in, not in their ass. But to each his own. :)
I'll be in Charlotte for a 10K next weekend, and I'm looking forward to stopping by the store! I love the CarbonX, and I'd love something similar for the trail. Are the Speedgoat Evos my trail Carbons??
Why mess with perfection? I'm talking about the hair, of course. Perfection. Otherwise, the Speedgoat is still a tiny bit narrow for me, so maybe this update will work? And I'd still be curious to see a huarache review! I'd highly recommend a super simple tied option with a Morflex or Newflex sole. The OG Luna Venado with a leather lace has been the best for me and has lasted literal years.
Oh, the layoff has been tragic with the hair, thesii213. It just won't stop flowing. Hopefully he'll still be sporting the locks when the latest shoes drop this fall. We have some huaraches in mind, but may need a stand-in reviewer for them. Nathan was running around in the Alps and didn't take any days off the long runs to build up his barefoot running! On a more serious note, the Speedgoat EVO toe box is - surprisingly - a dramatic change for us from the standard version. No issues at all for anyone with a standard sized foot to date!
@@TheUltraRunningCompany I'd offer my services as a stand-in reviewer, but I don't have either the hair or a fancy home studio I'm afraid. If you're interested in a write-up perhaps?
Anyone bought this as a women's version since they are so rare? I tried it now and went with the same size as my men's SG4 and what should i saw, it fits perfect! Hope i could help someone with it...
I had mens SG3 in size 7.5 that had wide enough toe box for me. And nowadays in Russia prices on everything are twice as high compared to 3 years ago. Had to try womens and its strange but I felt womens 7.5 too long. Bought size 7 and they fit like a glow. The only concern is will they give me blisters when my feet get swollen🤔
Thank you for very detailed and very professional reviews! I have a question to you guys. One often sees male and female Hoka shoes which are exactly identical, colors and everithing. For example, this particular model "Hoka EVO Speedgoat Limited Edition" exactly the same in male and female. Are there any differences at all between them? Thanks in advance.
Hi Amber. We're planning to post an "overview" video in the near future outlining our philosophy regarding shoes we review and carry here at the Ultra Running Company. One aspect of this is that we try to avoid shoes with an exceptionally high "drop"/"heel/toe offset". The heel of most Brooks products are a bit high for our taste, effectively eliminating it them consideration for a top-flight trail shoe. It's not that you can't run in them or that they will inherently cause issues...just that a high heel typically makes it a bit more difficult to land efficiently. There are so many great shoes out there that we generally avoid taking the time to review shoes outside of our consideration...so unless we hit a real dry spell and want to blow off some steam we will probably not have a Brooks review posted any time in the near future. Also, when we opened the Ultra Running Company they didn't want to work with us because they wanted us to direct people towards the Adrenaline, and guiding people towards a particular shoe regardless of their individual form is not something we have ever been interested in. We chose to stick with our integrity vs. caving just to stock a popular brand in our store...so we really don't get our hands on many Brooks at this point. So there's that, too. Sorry to let you down!
Thank you for these. Could you possibly do a video comparing the Hoka Clifton 6 and the Bondi 6? I am conflicted on which to get for marathon training due to the extreme mileage I have been logging.
We'll see if we can fit that in. We'll be back releasing videos as far products drop that interest us, but if we have a quiet spell we'll try to slide this in.
Thanks, Russ! We don't expect them to do that any time soon. The EVO is more generous in the towboat due to the design changes, but as far as we know there are no plans to introduce a truly "wide" version of the shoe.
The Ultra Running Company That’s a shame, even with the flexible insert in the toe box, I’m not confident they’ll be wide enough for me. If I ever see a pair ‘in the wild’ & in my size, I’ll just have to try them. They do seem hard to get hold of though. Cheers for the prompt response.
@@803248364 If you're ever in Charlotte, swing on by. We have them in stock in every size, and will continue to do so until we can't get our hands on them any more! :)
The Ultra Running Company I wish there was somewhere so well stocked closer to me! Would love to drop by but I’m in the UK, so pretty unlikely. I was once in Raleigh around 10 years ago though, so you never know...
Great review thank you, wondering if you would recommend this shoe for the Marathon des sables multi stage desert race? or do think the mega grip is an overkill for the MDS? I am looking for a comfort shoe that could work for the MDS. thanks in advance
Excellent review. Just found your channel...you really know your stuff!. Question...I'm looking for a trial shoe. What is the difference between the Speedgoat and the Mafate? I have long (size 11.5) narrow feet. Thanks...just subscribed!
Hi Michael! For us, the two major differences break down to 1) tread/traction: the Mufate is no BS, all trail, all technical, all the time. And 2) Cushion: the Speedgoat tries to strike a balance between technical nuance and max cushion, while the Mafate is just a great big cushion monster. Both are VERY capable, but if you're running groomed trails at all along with your technical terrain, the SG may be a better option. If your trails are all rocks, soft ground and aggression, the Mafate will be your hero. Good luck!
Hi Robert! The MegaGrip sticks well on any wet surface, and we're guessing British roads are no exception. With that said, this is a pretty aggressive shoe to be considered door-to-trail. While we wouldn't change out of it during a trail race that had road sections, there may be better options if you have a more even split on a daily basis! (although all of those would give up some grip moving away from our favorite Vibram compound...)
For sure: The Mafate is a beast of a shoe with more cushion, a different effective rocker placement, and traction like a pair of crampons. That's awesome for super aggressive trails, for longer distance efforts, or when traction is essential...but in some cases its overkill. The Speedgoat remains more suited to efforts where the trail is technical but not brutal, where the surface is somewhat solid (think the deserts of Utah or anything that someone who is not a "trail runner" would consider approachable), or where you want to be a bit more in touch with the surface. We think the Speedgoat is just a bit "racier" in feel, but that's just us. Bottom line: the Speedgoat allows you to pick through terrain knowing there's enough cushion that if you make a wrong step you'll be well protected, while the Mafate allows you to just plow through stuff. Both are pretty awesome.
HOLY CRIMOLY, Nova! How do you stand?!?! Just kidding - we know everyone's feet vary in size, width, instep height and more. Nathan jokes about his shoe size because it basically eliminates our ability to get pre-production shoes for review AND it means that nothing EVER weights what the manufacturer says it will when he puts them on his feet. We're just providing another data point and trying to have fun with it, and appreciate you being a part of our effort. As for new reviews, we're getting a TON of new models in now, and we'll try to be consistent with our efforts until we get through them. Our first review of the spring hit last Thursday and we'll be dropping them every week for the foreseeable future. Thanks again!
detroit proper On road I run in stable shoes that stabilise for pronation. I don’t feel the same need running on trails because you don’t have that repetitive steps on the flat ground as on the road. For me Speedgoat is stable enough.
Speedgoat 4 . Never have I had or seen a big Overside sole on a running shoe that is so light and so flexible I’ve been running 44 year and at my age now 55 it’s the best shoe I’ve came across for 55 year old knees there absolutely amazing . Bad news they were two narrow in the toe box for my Morton’s neuroma I Also have clawed toes . So I searched to see if they did a wide version as my foot conditions are ok in new balance wide fresh foam . That search brought me to you review on the wide shoe. your review on that shoe and all the shoes you do are great but on trying the wide shoe there terrible ( imo) and although going from your review the wide is only 2 millimetres wider it feels nothing like the normal fit shoe it feels like it looks . a big lump of a shoe and felt nothing at all like the normal fit hoka no matter how tight or loose the lacing was .so if your a older person with worn joints but have good feet I don’t think you can find a better shoe than the hoka standard fit but if you need the wide there no better than anything else on the market your probably thinking it’s only 2 mm we’ll do what I done but both pair and find out the amazing standard fit doesn’t suit my right foot .but the wider (2mm) felt terrible just my opinion . If you have good feet and bad knees you’ll love the standard fit it’s feels like you have new knees 😁if the wide version is you only option they feel nothing like the standard to (run )in
My US 9.5 EVO Speedgoat weights 267g (~9.4oz) so you are right on that. To me interesting part now when rainy fall is starting is also measuring weights when wet. I have video comparing EVO Speedgoat vs. Speedgoat 2 vs. Torrent dry & wet: th-cam.com/video/6Pv0jrruP0Q/w-d-xo.html I think EVO Speedgoat ( + Torrent insole when wet) is great shoe for longer runs & races, while I continue using Speedgoat 2 as a daily trainer for cheaper miles.
"Real people sizes"? I believe the shoe industry uses a size 9 to gauge shoe weight and be reasonably consistent across brands. Do you not consider a person wearing size 9 to be a "real person"?
Oh, WE consider people wearing size 9 to be real. It's Nathan that doesn't. Honestly, he's a bit of a jerk about this, since he has to stumble around the store with these ridiculous size 13 flippers at the ends of his legs. Also, don't tell Altra about this whole "size 9" thing. Their standard men's weights are reported in 10.5 (which also doesn't fit Nathan. He can't win).
AAAAARGH. OK, three things: 1) We've been running in HOKAs since we had to special order them from Boulder back in 2011. At the time, we thought they were the Bond-eeee and the Mafat-eeee. We're still struggling with the first, even though we fully understand the beach is called Bond-eye. And now you're correcting our French. OK. We'll try. 2) We're pretty sure every HOKA employee we've ever spoken to - including the founder and designer of that particular shoe - has called it the Mafat-E or Mafat-A. But we'll be sure to listen better when we see them next week and we're guessing you are - of course - correct. And... 3) Yeah, we mispronounce stuff, but we're from North Carolina, and as such we get a bye on everything we say by rule. Also, we get a kick out of the French saying the word "focus". Go on. Do it. We'll be over here laughing. Then we'll move on to iPhone. Trust us, we all have our crosses to bear. :) (Secret #4: We love being corrected, and try to learn from folks like you. We'll try, but we'll probably still mess up from time to time. But we'll try. Thank you for being awesome and taking us with both a grain of salt and a grin.)
Fair. Although just based on that description we'd certainly take your chances throwing you in a Clifton 5 Wide (if you can still find them) and seeing what happened. Depending on your heel/instep width, we may even try a Mach 2, but we're less confident on that.
We don't mind any constructive feedback - in fact we appreciate it. As we've mentioned before, we're a working, brick and mortar specialty running store. In order to spend time with our families and see the trails from time to time, we tend to record these when we are open but slow. The music is turned down as much as we can while maintaining a solid in-store experience for the folks who shop here and keep our lights on. We'll do what we can to improve the experience as we learn/get better equipment, but in the meantime appreciate the kind way your mention this and are sorry our existing constraints drove you away. :)
I like the music in the background, contrary to what some others say. Keep up the excellent posts, I always appreciate the information.
Well thank you, Ryan! We'd prefer it was not there, TBH...but it's real, it exists, and we live with it. Thanks for the support!
Yes, contrary, but correct? no
Jus picked these up yesterday and the upper on these is amazing. Feels way better than the narrow ass regular speedgoats and they fit tru to size
We hope you like them just as much after running in them. To be fair, we found the standard Speedgoats to be a bit narrow at the point the toe tapers in, not in their ass. But to each his own. :)
Strictly on looks....it looks pretty awesome!
It does...
I just bought the speedgoat 3. Only have 6 miles in them but they feel great.
Right on!
Great review love the look of the shoe. Btw I love my carbon x
Glad to hear it, Drew. A couple of winners right there!
Just found you all! Gonna check our more as I start to transition to more trail running!
Right on, Christopher! Enjoy the transition to the dark side, and keep in mind we review road shoes from time to time as well! :)
Great review. Love the details!
Thank you, Rob!
I'll be in Charlotte for a 10K next weekend, and I'm looking forward to stopping by the store! I love the CarbonX, and I'd love something similar for the trail. Are the Speedgoat Evos my trail Carbons??
Hi Jean! We hope you were able to get by and find exactly what you wanted! Thanks so much for considering us!
Love the way you say Mafate 😎
I can say it better. Call me. 867-5309
Why mess with perfection? I'm talking about the hair, of course. Perfection.
Otherwise, the Speedgoat is still a tiny bit narrow for me, so maybe this update will work? And I'd still be curious to see a huarache review! I'd highly recommend a super simple tied option with a Morflex or Newflex sole. The OG Luna Venado with a leather lace has been the best for me and has lasted literal years.
Oh, the layoff has been tragic with the hair, thesii213. It just won't stop flowing. Hopefully he'll still be sporting the locks when the latest shoes drop this fall. We have some huaraches in mind, but may need a stand-in reviewer for them. Nathan was running around in the Alps and didn't take any days off the long runs to build up his barefoot running!
On a more serious note, the Speedgoat EVO toe box is - surprisingly - a dramatic change for us from the standard version. No issues at all for anyone with a standard sized foot to date!
@@TheUltraRunningCompany I'd offer my services as a stand-in reviewer, but I don't have either the hair or a fancy home studio I'm afraid. If you're interested in a write-up perhaps?
Anyone bought this as a women's version since they are so rare? I tried it now and went with the same size as my men's SG4 and what should i saw, it fits perfect! Hope i could help someone with it...
I had mens SG3 in size 7.5 that had wide enough toe box for me. And nowadays in Russia prices on everything are twice as high compared to 3 years ago. Had to try womens and its strange but I felt womens 7.5 too long. Bought size 7 and they fit like a glow. The only concern is will they give me blisters when my feet get swollen🤔
Thank you for very detailed and very professional reviews!
I have a question to you guys.
One often sees male and female Hoka shoes which are exactly identical, colors and everithing.
For example, this particular model "Hoka EVO Speedgoat Limited Edition" exactly the same in male and female.
Are there any differences at all between them?
Thanks in advance.
Great review!! Do you review Brooks running shoes?
Hi Amber. We're planning to post an "overview" video in the near future outlining our philosophy regarding shoes we review and carry here at the Ultra Running Company. One aspect of this is that we try to avoid shoes with an exceptionally high "drop"/"heel/toe offset". The heel of most Brooks products are a bit high for our taste, effectively eliminating it them consideration for a top-flight trail shoe. It's not that you can't run in them or that they will inherently cause issues...just that a high heel typically makes it a bit more difficult to land efficiently. There are so many great shoes out there that we generally avoid taking the time to review shoes outside of our consideration...so unless we hit a real dry spell and want to blow off some steam we will probably not have a Brooks review posted any time in the near future. Also, when we opened the Ultra Running Company they didn't want to work with us because they wanted us to direct people towards the Adrenaline, and guiding people towards a particular shoe regardless of their individual form is not something we have ever been interested in. We chose to stick with our integrity vs. caving just to stock a popular brand in our store...so we really don't get our hands on many Brooks at this point. So there's that, too. Sorry to let you down!
Hi, Would these make a good hiking sneaker ?
Thank you for these. Could you possibly do a video comparing the Hoka Clifton 6 and the Bondi 6? I am conflicted on which to get for marathon training due to the extreme mileage I have been logging.
Ryan Secord get the bindi it will last longer
We'll see if we can fit that in. We'll be back releasing videos as far products drop that interest us, but if we have a quiet spell we'll try to slide this in.
This Clifton should last well, but our experience mirrors Grant's - the Bondi has lasted longer across every version to date.
@@TheUltraRunningCompany Thank you for the reply. I miss the weekly content, glad to see you are still around.
Great informative reviews. Have you got any idea if/when Hoka will release the EVO Speedgoat 4 in a ‘wide’ fit?
Thanks, Russ! We don't expect them to do that any time soon. The EVO is more generous in the towboat due to the design changes, but as far as we know there are no plans to introduce a truly "wide" version of the shoe.
The Ultra Running Company That’s a shame, even with the flexible insert in the toe box, I’m not confident they’ll be wide enough for me. If I ever see a pair ‘in the wild’ & in my size, I’ll just have to try them. They do seem hard to get hold of though. Cheers for the prompt response.
@@803248364 If you're ever in Charlotte, swing on by. We have them in stock in every size, and will continue to do so until we can't get our hands on them any more! :)
The Ultra Running Company I wish there was somewhere so well stocked closer to me! Would love to drop by but I’m in the UK, so pretty unlikely. I was once in Raleigh around 10 years ago though, so you never know...
Any new reviews coming?? Haven't seen you in a while. Happy Holidays!
Sorry for the delay, Brian, but you should have fresh goodness coming your way as of last week!! Thanks for watching!
Great review thank you, wondering if you would recommend this shoe for the Marathon des sables multi stage desert race? or do think the mega grip is an overkill for the MDS? I am looking for a comfort shoe that could work for the MDS. thanks in advance
Excellent review. Just found your channel...you really know your stuff!. Question...I'm looking for a trial shoe. What is the difference between the Speedgoat and the Mafate? I have long (size 11.5) narrow feet. Thanks...just subscribed!
Hi Michael! For us, the two major differences break down to 1) tread/traction: the Mufate is no BS, all trail, all technical, all the time. And 2) Cushion: the Speedgoat tries to strike a balance between technical nuance and max cushion, while the Mafate is just a great big cushion monster. Both are VERY capable, but if you're running groomed trails at all along with your technical terrain, the SG may be a better option. If your trails are all rocks, soft ground and aggression, the Mafate will be your hero. Good luck!
May I know if you still have Eu 42 in stock?
just went with the speedgoat 4... questioning should I have spent that extra 20 for the EVO? hahaha
Would this work on wet British roads? Could you class it as a door to trail?
Hi Robert! The MegaGrip sticks well on any wet surface, and we're guessing British roads are no exception. With that said, this is a pretty aggressive shoe to be considered door-to-trail. While we wouldn't change out of it during a trail race that had road sections, there may be better options if you have a more even split on a daily basis! (although all of those would give up some grip moving away from our favorite Vibram compound...)
What was the previous best selling shoe in the U.S. ?
Why/wheat situations would one use the SpeedGoat vs Torrent?
When you want more cushion. :) Both are exceptional on technical terrain.
Any comments on why would I chose this over the evo mafate? It's cheaper ok but weight wise (at least my evo 1) is about the same?
For sure: The Mafate is a beast of a shoe with more cushion, a different effective rocker placement, and traction like a pair of crampons. That's awesome for super aggressive trails, for longer distance efforts, or when traction is essential...but in some cases its overkill. The Speedgoat remains more suited to efforts where the trail is technical but not brutal, where the surface is somewhat solid (think the deserts of Utah or anything that someone who is not a "trail runner" would consider approachable), or where you want to be a bit more in touch with the surface. We think the Speedgoat is just a bit "racier" in feel, but that's just us. Bottom line: the Speedgoat allows you to pick through terrain knowing there's enough cushion that if you make a wrong step you'll be well protected, while the Mafate allows you to just plow through stuff. Both are pretty awesome.
Would you recommend this shoe or another shoe in training for the Hurt 100?
Would these be comfortable for daily running on pavement?
They would not be our fist choice for pavement running.
I am six-foot tall and weigh 182 pounds. I wear size 9 shoes. I am sure that I am not a mannequin but a real person.
When will be the next review?
HOLY CRIMOLY, Nova! How do you stand?!?! Just kidding - we know everyone's feet vary in size, width, instep height and more. Nathan jokes about his shoe size because it basically eliminates our ability to get pre-production shoes for review AND it means that nothing EVER weights what the manufacturer says it will when he puts them on his feet. We're just providing another data point and trying to have fun with it, and appreciate you being a part of our effort. As for new reviews, we're getting a TON of new models in now, and we'll try to be consistent with our efforts until we get through them. Our first review of the spring hit last Thursday and we'll be dropping them every week for the foreseeable future. Thanks again!
Need recommendations for trail shoes that stabilize for pronation. Every shoe I want is neutral. Please help
detroit proper On road I run in stable shoes that stabilise for pronation. I don’t feel the same need running on trails because you don’t have that repetitive steps on the flat ground as on the road. For me Speedgoat is stable enough.
@@jonasmauritzson872 great advice. I needed to hear that. I grabbed the speedgoat 3's and the speedcross 5's and have loved every step.
Do you think they run 1/2 size bigger than SG2/3?
In our experience they do not, but it is a different fit with the slightly more compliant toe box.
Speedgoat 4 . Never have I had or seen a big Overside sole on a running shoe that is so light and so flexible I’ve been running 44 year and at my age now 55 it’s the best shoe I’ve came across for 55 year old knees there absolutely amazing . Bad news they were two narrow in the toe box for my Morton’s neuroma I Also have clawed toes . So I searched to see if they did a wide version as my foot conditions are ok in new balance wide fresh foam . That search brought me to you review on the wide shoe. your review on that shoe and all the shoes you do are great but on trying the wide shoe there terrible ( imo) and although going from your review the wide is only 2 millimetres wider it feels nothing like the normal fit shoe it feels like it looks . a big lump of a shoe and felt nothing at all like the normal fit hoka no matter how tight or loose the lacing was .so if your a older person with worn joints but have good feet I don’t think you can find a better shoe than the hoka standard fit but if you need the wide there no better than anything else on the market your probably thinking it’s only 2 mm we’ll do what I done but both pair and find out the amazing standard fit doesn’t suit my right foot .but the wider (2mm) felt terrible just my opinion . If you have good feet and bad knees you’ll love the standard fit it’s feels like you have new knees 😁if the wide version is you only option they feel nothing like the standard to (run )in
Did you say Speedboat? :D
My US 9.5 EVO Speedgoat weights 267g (~9.4oz) so you are right on that. To me interesting part now when rainy fall is starting is also measuring weights when wet. I have video comparing EVO Speedgoat vs. Speedgoat 2 vs. Torrent dry & wet: th-cam.com/video/6Pv0jrruP0Q/w-d-xo.html
I think EVO Speedgoat ( + Torrent insole when wet) is great shoe for longer runs & races, while I continue using Speedgoat 2 as a daily trainer for cheaper miles.
Great point. We'll check it out, but suspect the Speedgoat EVO really shines in that comparison... :) (we'll see if we're right)
"Real people sizes"? I believe the shoe industry uses a size 9 to gauge shoe weight and be reasonably consistent across brands. Do you not consider a person wearing size 9 to be a "real person"?
Oh, WE consider people wearing size 9 to be real. It's Nathan that doesn't. Honestly, he's a bit of a jerk about this, since he has to stumble around the store with these ridiculous size 13 flippers at the ends of his legs. Also, don't tell Altra about this whole "size 9" thing. Their standard men's weights are reported in 10.5 (which also doesn't fit Nathan. He can't win).
The prononciation is Mafat not Mafate. Thank you
R K: In the US, it spells pronunciation. Also, there is nothing wrong to pronounce M a f a t e as Mafate in the US, non?
Nova Dusty lol
AAAAARGH. OK, three things:
1) We've been running in HOKAs since we had to special order them from Boulder back in 2011. At the time, we thought they were the Bond-eeee and the Mafat-eeee. We're still struggling with the first, even though we fully understand the beach is called Bond-eye. And now you're correcting our French. OK. We'll try.
2) We're pretty sure every HOKA employee we've ever spoken to - including the founder and designer of that particular shoe - has called it the Mafat-E or Mafat-A. But we'll be sure to listen better when we see them next week and we're guessing you are - of course - correct. And...
3) Yeah, we mispronounce stuff, but we're from North Carolina, and as such we get a bye on everything we say by rule. Also, we get a kick out of the French saying the word "focus". Go on. Do it. We'll be over here laughing. Then we'll move on to iPhone. Trust us, we all have our crosses to bear. :)
(Secret #4: We love being corrected, and try to learn from folks like you. We'll try, but we'll probably still mess up from time to time. But we'll try. Thank you for being awesome and taking us with both a grain of salt and a grin.)
We're pretty sure that's Spanish. English is just a mess. We pretty much make up the rules as we go along.
Great Shoe!! ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ
I have a wide foot and high arc. So..., the Hoka's are no good !
Same. 5 miles in the Clifton 6 left me blisters on both feet!
Fair. Although just based on that description we'd certainly take your chances throwing you in a Clifton 5 Wide (if you can still find them) and seeing what happened. Depending on your heel/instep width, we may even try a Mach 2, but we're less confident on that.
That's surprising. Safe to say they are not for you!
Just a thought: maybe turn the music off in the background it is distracting and made me stop watching. hope you dont mind me saying so.
We don't mind any constructive feedback - in fact we appreciate it. As we've mentioned before, we're a working, brick and mortar specialty running store. In order to spend time with our families and see the trails from time to time, we tend to record these when we are open but slow. The music is turned down as much as we can while maintaining a solid in-store experience for the folks who shop here and keep our lights on. We'll do what we can to improve the experience as we learn/get better equipment, but in the meantime appreciate the kind way your mention this and are sorry our existing constraints drove you away. :)