While I love the Speedgoat 3, the new Speedgoat 4 hasn’t been what I’d hoped. Still a solid, durable shoe, but with some new issues. In regards to width and some comments pointing to this not being Hoka’s “wide” version, Hoka themselves advertise this as wider than v3. That’s what I am commenting on in my review. As for their “wide” version (2e), from my knowledge and experience, any “wide” version of a shoe from many manufacturers is built on the same last as normal widths with additional upper material, so not truly “wider” just more volume. This saves on tooling costs, yadda yadda. I’ll report back when I hear more on that specific model. Feel free to report back on your experience with the Speedgoat 4 below!
I couldn't wear the Pegasus 36, but the 4e or "wide" versions is great. This is the same for my 6'3" son. I'm curious about you comments and the "wide" version of shoes having more volume but not more width. I love the Speedgoat 2, except that it hurt my pinky toes after 10-15km because it is too narrow. I was hoping the wide version of the Speedgoat 4 would solve this, but evidently not. I tried a shoe widening tool in my 2s, but the midsole protrudes above the edge which meant it pressed on my pinky toe, even though I managed to stretch the upper a bit. That's very disappointing. I will probably try the EVO, but if they are still too tight, I have to keep looking for a wider shoe. Until then, the Pegasus 36 Trail will have to do, even though I want a proper trail shoe for heavier conditions.
Thanks for the great shoe reviews! I just compared the regular and wide Speedgoat 4's in the same size at REI. The outsole (and thus presumably the last as well) of the wide version is DEFINITELY at least 1-2mm wider than the regular version. The fit is noticeably wider AND higher volume as well. I had to go up a size in the SG2 to get enough width (and I don't have a particularly wide foot - and I still had to wear very thin socks due to the narrowness of the SG2. In the SG4 wide I found my usual size (11.5) to be a good fit. I tried on the SG3 but never bought a pair as they also seemed really narrow and constricting. The regular width SG4 is still way too narrow for me, but in the wide I really like the overall feel and will likely buy a pair soon. I didn't feel like the cushioning is too firm, and it will likely soften up a bit with some mileage - my SG2's definitely got softer over time.
I'm still pretty new to running (1yr) but loved the SG3 - however I found that my feet have grown a little since I started and the SG3 became too small. So I upsized and went for an SG4 which was great as they were a little wider but the profile still seems a little too narrow and I'm finding that it rubs some of my smaller toes pretty bad. Speaking of, the new upper is kinda sandpaper-y on the inside by the toes and seems to be developing some weird folds in it which increase the rubbing. I'd be tempted to try the wide fitting
I've been watching your stuff for years, but I really think it would be refreshing to see some b-roll footage of the shoes in use, as opposed to holding it the whole time.
I really wanted to love my Speedgoats. Without a doubt the most comfortable shoes that I have ever worn. Two months in, multiple walks, no running, the shoes are coming apart. I'm not a shoe engineer so in simple terms: The "plackard" on of the top of the toe box has separated and flaps around as I walk. Glued down, failed again. The outer clear membrane also appears to be separating. It was a try. They are headed for yard duty.
The thinner tongue is a step back from the Speedgoat 3. Also the fabric that connects the tongue to the rest of the shoe (which was mesh in version 3) has been replaced by a thick one which is like neoprene.
Wearing different shoes on each foot is right only if you also switch them left-right ,because our feet are different and also the way each foot lands on ground differs. Your reviews are always spot on! I remember your speedgoat 1 review about their faulty incline platform that i wished have known before i bought them,my ankles suffered a lot on them.
Nice review. I personally tested the speedgoat 3, EVO speedgoat, speedgoat 4 and speedgoat 4 gtx. The speedgoat EVO was my favorite despite it being designed from the older speedgoat 3. It was most comfortable, most roomy in the toebox, the lightest and most breathable while still being aggressive and durable enough to withstand extended use on rough terrain.
@@GerdGuchl If the sg4 fit you fine, I would get the same size and just enjoy the slight bit of extra room. I don't think the EVO are actually bigger, they just feel bigger because the upper is more comfortable and stretchy.
That’s really interesting. It’s all subjective, but I am loving my 4s and wasn’t able to wear the 3s because they were too tight. I felt like it opened up just enough for me to be enjoyable. I think you are on to something about the tongue and allowing volume in there. Maybe that’s what I enjoy 🤔. One thing I can’t stand is how the shoe is a vacuum for mud and the only way to discard it is by round housing a tree ala Jean Claude Van Damme. Unfortunately I injure my leg and there is still mud.....
I had the same exact issue as you. Even the speedgoat 4 felt snug in the toebox. The speedgoat EVO was the perfect solution in my situation plus it's lighter and more durable than the speedgoat 4. That matrix upper stretches to still keep your feet secured to the midsole while still allowing your toes and sides of feet to not feel restricted. It also breathes much better than the higher Kevlar content non-EVO models have. Hopefully they come out with a speedgoat 4 EVO.
These are my first proper trail running shoes they are amazing! ~I’m Ellis you may know me for interviewing Jim Walmsly or running a sub 3 half marathon at 9~
Was bummed when I paid full price for a pair of 3’s and then found out the 4’s were right around the corner. Thanks for making me feel better about myself!! 😎
I just got into trail running 2 weeks ago and i'm litterly using my allday white air force 1 shoes with insoles XD i'm kinda trooling looking at those actual trail running shoes, so dope!!
Hi Gingerrunner, You got it exactly right. Used the speedgoat3 before, unfortunatly it was too narrow in the forefoot. This speedgoat4 , exactly the same, could hardly tell the difference. However its pluche midsole feels more like Salomon 'pluche'. I like to go for Hoka One One for the long ultra's but Speedgoat has issues in the frontpart, Mafate issues in the backpart and other brands are just not comfortable, grippy (Salomon) or mature (Nike) enough
The SG2 was good and the SG3 is the perfect shoe for me. But the after 400-450 k the lugs are worn and the midsole cushioning is gone. But I am happy that the SG4 is not WIDER. So SG4 is not wider and will last longer with deeper lugs. So perfect upgrade and a sure buy for me. Great review as always GR. Thanks
I came from the Altra world to Hoka recently... I tried the Speedgoat 4 and found them to be a touch too narrow in the mid/fore foot causing a hotspot. I ended up in the Hoka Stinson which rocks!
I know this is an old post but I was just recently looking to order a “Running on Hope” sweatshirt and noticed it said it was slim fit. I’m 5”11 165lbs. and was unsure on what size to go with, medium or large. Just curious what size you went with and how it does fit as far as sizing! Thanks! Happy Running!🏃🏽♂️
Ugh! I wish they did the speed goat with a wider forefoot. It’s too narrow for me on ultra runs, but love the rocker and response of them. One day I hope Hoka figures it out...
love the new Speedgoad 4. Put 275 miles on my first pair and was not disappointed. Just swapped in the Evos as my training shoe. I agree with you that the Evo Speedgoat is a better shoe and lighter. I'm running about 40-60 miles /week with 15-30 in the speedgoats.
Been running in these since the day they came out. To me lots better than the 3. Much more responsive and less mushy than the 2/3. Have the Mafate 2 too and these have totally took over them. For me a better fit. Better grip too. Obviously slightly heavier but worth it.
I’ve actually loved the 3 previous models and the Mafate as well. My least favorite model is this SG 4. I do not like the tongue, but agree on the “likes and dislikes”Ethan commented on.
I think that tongue is what kills me. I snug up the laces so I run downhill without my feet sliding to the tip and lock my foot. But then my feet go numb and hurt until I loosen the laces but then my feet move around too much.
I compared the 4 to the 3 at a store and the sole is one or two millimeters wider. Also when I tried them back to back the 4 did indeed have more room for my toes to splay. So at least for me there is a noticeable difference there :) I'll try the wide version though before I pull the trigger on the 4s.
*Dissenting* opinion: I tried to love the Speedgoat 3 but it was a tiny bit too narrow and I felt like the shoe was forcing me to run pigeon toed. But I LOVE THE NEW SG 4. Just wide enough that my toes can spread, prefer the new midsole material and love that the shoe doesn't force your gait to turn in. And it may be only 1 mm wider but feels like 4 mm wider. Basically my favourite shoe, maybe ever :)
Still rockin the SG2! Other than the fact that it takes 50+ miles of wear before they don't feel super tight, what an incredible trail shoe, especially for rocky conditions like here in AZ.
Bought a pair of the Speedgoat 4 GTX's whilst on holiday in USA (don't think they are availabe in Australia yet). Have taken them for a few runs so far and seem ok. I love Hoka's for road shoes but these are my first trails shoes by them. Like them so far, but need to take them on a few longer runs to really get a good impression.
So far I ran 1500 km with the mafate 2 and they still get up, they have lost traction and softness. Due to the high price I switched to goat 4, for me the comfort is enough and in the wide version there is really more space than goat 3 which is narrow for me.
moi j ai pris 44 2/3 pour les speedgoat 4 alors que j avais pris 44 pour les speedgoat 3 , et la difference est notable , j aurais du prendre 44 2/3 dans les speedgoat 3 aussi .
I feel like the width is actually improved a lot. And it still feels really extremely soft cushoned not hard at all. And half an ounce heavier, seriously? I dont know what you are complaining about
I demo'd these and really liked them. I was coming off a pair of Challenger ATRs so the brand was familiar. Found the Speedgoat 4s really fun on singletrack (Santa Monica Mountains). I was worried the Goats might be a little too cushy. I ended up buying NW Enduris based on a friend's recommendation and the GR's review of it. But if I had to do it again, would probably go Speedgoat.
Ethan please don’t forget that the Speedgoat 4 is the first of the Speedgoats to be or already ( not here in Oz yet) released in a 2E wide. Which I am looking forward to trying. Keep up the great work you and Kim are doing 👍😎
Shaun Atkins from my knowledge and experience, any “wide” version of a shoe is on the same last with additional upper material, so not truly “wider” just more volume. This saves on tooling and overage costs. Feel free to report back on your experience with this one!
Ironically just ordered them because of they advertised a wider shoe. Hmmm doesn't sound like that is the case. I look forward to trying - thanks for your honest review!
Your ginger foot may be not wide enough to notice the difference in width between the SG 3 and 4. You could always break out your ginger measuring tool and measure it.
I actually think the added stability is a big plus. I never liked the 3 because I just felt I lose too much energy, and that it was too mushy. The SG4 I feel like the more cushioned version of the Sense Ride 3. Both of them are perfect for the tech trails of the alps. I use the SR3 for everything lower than 3..4 hours and the SG4 of everything over that.
Very dissapointed with the SG4. I was hoping that finally they fixed the pointy toebox, but like Ethan, I did not feel any difference compared to SG3. Unuseable shoe because of the toebox. Hate the idea that I would have to size up just because the toebox is being shaped like a cowboy boot.
Was hoping for more than the speedgoat 3s as the 3s are my go to, I was getting excited for the 4s and what they might do to improve but it looks like I'll stick to my 3s while they still on the shelf 👍🏻 great review as always
Ethan, potentially silly question here: at what point would you worry about buying older shoes, in terms of their sole material stiffening from age? Is that a thing? How long are Speedgoat 3's a potential pickup, do they "expire"?
It is incredible how many companies fail with the width of the shoe, and the comfort of the toebox! Is it that ultrarunning is too recent? Is it that the traditional shoe standard is wrong from the beginning? I am thinking about the Speedgoad 4 Wide. Anyone has experience with this shoe?
Recommendation needed******* I am in search of more shock absorption, I tried on a pair of Hoka Speedgoat 4's, they were too squishy for me.....what would be a max shoe that is a tad less squishy but still offers rock protection and decent shock absorption. Currently i am on the other end of the scale with a 2year old pair of Altra Lone Peak 3.0s (stack ht of 25mm but feel like barefoot at times) which can feel a toothpick if you ran over one. I need some bounce, shock absorption, rock protection.......you get the idea. thanks in advance
I have the SG4 but I haven't run in it yet. I am waiting for snow. I hope it provides grip in snow. Mine is orange. I think that the blue one is the best looking colorway. There is a wide version coming out in spring to fix the fit problems if someone wants more room in the toebox.
Bummer regarding the lack of additional width. I have a pair of SG2 that have been solid but could use a few mm extra up front to make them perfect. Had hoped 4 would do the trick. Guess I'll be getting some 3's and look forward to next year's Saucony lineup. The new NB Hierro also looks really interesting.
I like them. The 3’s outer material broke down rather rapidly which was a disappointment. These look sturdier and still look good after a fair number of miles. Can’t say that I notice the half ounce of weight difference (not sure I even have a scale that would show me the difference). Width, yeah I don’t feel a difference either. Midsole... i must be a very indiscriminate runner, I don’t feel a difference. But I also run on Altra Lone Peak 4 with a lot less cushioning so every time I pull on the Hokas they feel very plush to me. And yes, I am wearing them right now.
I bought a pair speedgoat4 and I returned them after the first run. The upper material it’s a little tough, and was digging on top of my toe. I was pretty disappointed, but I will say I felt like I was bouncing all over the place.
Million dollar Shoe idea for any company out there. Brand Name: Squeakies- a shoe that intentionally squeaks when you land hard on your heel to make you aware that you are heel striking so you can correct your form when you are getting sloppy. Or, a device that will hook onto your normal running shoes that would make a sound when you start heel striking. I think this would be great because I don’t know about you guys, but when I first started running, I could not tell if I was heel striking unless I videotaped myself running. And I ended up over correcting to a extreme forefoot strike which gave me very bad shin splints. I feel like this would be a good way of getting real time immediate feedback on what your footstrike is actually doing as you’re running without encouraging overcorrection.
I generally agree with your reviews but... I really like the Speedgoat 4. I never could get my foot in the toe box of the previous Speedgoats and wore the Mafate and Torrent. I've got 38 miles on the SG4 including an 18 mile race and tend to forget I'm even wearing them. It could be the tongue giving more volume I agree but I love the locked down feeling and grip for technical trails. I'm planning on wearing these for 3 winter races. It's a great all around trail shoe IMO.
Steve George could you compare the fit of the SG4 to the Torrent? I run in the latter and am trying to decide on getting the SG4 or another pair of torrents which have been great
@@brandonroot2840 The Torrent toe box is bigger and the upper is stretchier. I like the Torrent for shorter fast efforts. The SG4 is definitely more locked down in the middle. I can't wear super thick socks with them. The SG4 is better for technical runs and doesn't move around like the Torrent. I'd go by a store and try on the SG4 to see how it compares but the Torrent seems to run bigger. The thinner tongue gives more room and after they broke in a little bit I love the feel. I'm not coming from the previous SG versions but for me they are great. I have the first Mafate and loved that shoe on normal trails but not so much on technical plus the upper is not forgiving. The Torrent upper is very forgiving and the SG is in the middle. Hope this helps and good luck! Get them from Runners Warehouse with the Ginger code and you can send them back if they don't work.
Altho I didn’t have the old Speedgoats, I expected more width compared to the Brooks I have. The overall volume of the sole and the rolling system is rather a huge difference to the Brooks I have to say. Let’s see what my knees tell me over the next few weeks...
I was told at The Running Event that had "wide sizes" available. However they did not have any at the show. I really like my Evo Speedgoats, but wish it was wider as it causes me some issues with my arch. Almost feels like I have planter fasciitis when I'm running (for the first few miles). I'm hoping it's true that they do have them made in wider sizes.
I bought a new pair of SpeedGoat 3s about two weeks before the 4 was introduced. Now I'm glad I "missed out" on the latest version. I always wear an 11.5 but had go go to a 12 in the 3! Actually, my favorite is the original SpeedGoat 1. Go figure!
Morgan Flockhart from my knowledge and experience, any “wide” version of a shoe is on the same last with additional upper material, so not truly “wider” just more volume. This saves on tooling and overage costs. Feel free to report back on your experience with this one.
Thanks for the review. Yet again my hopes were built up and yet again they were dashed. When will Hoka release a properly wider Speedgoat? The 3 was simply too narrow. There is a wide 2E version due at the end of December: Perhaps that will deliver. In the meantime, an Altra Paradigm 4.5 review would be great!
Truly just disappointed in Hoka the past year. Bought 3 different pairs of shoes from them and all blew out within under 50 miles. Always have worn the same size and had always been a huge fan but after working with their customer service I had to look elsewhere. Thanks so much for the review because I’m always still interested in what’s coming out and others prospectives on their shoes.
Ethan, I've tried the speedgoat 3 and the sense ride 2, both give me a little blister in the arch behind the big toe, which is a shame as I otherwise love the feel of the speedgoat. I need a speedgoat that fits like a NB1080? What is the magical shoe that I'm looking for?
Great review as always, glad I picked the speed goat 3's up in the sale! What watch are you using currently and would you recommend it? Also, what's the grey top you're wearing this episode??
I’ve ran a bunch in the Speedgoat 2 and 3. I have about 30 miles in my Speedgoat 4 and I think you nailed it in this review. I couldn’t agree more, especially about the midsole changes. I’ve also noticed that the midsole has been flattening out a bit prematurely too in the 4 where I didn’t have that in the 2 or 3. It reminds me of a little how some of my Altra midsoles flatten out. Did you experience any of this as well?
Hi everyone, been running with a Hoka Torrent for the past year and loved it (especially its wider toe box than the Speedgoat 2 that I used to wear). I was wondering how is the toe box of the Speedgoat 3 & 4, the Speedgoat EVO compared to the Torrent?! I would really appreciate some feedbacks in comparison to the Torrent! Thanks in advance folks :)
I bought this pair of shoes in men’s, I’ve really enjoyed my runs in them but I feel that the smaller tongue digs into my leg and I have to wear taker socks to not get bloody.
Interesting. I’ve just got the Mach 3 to test (coming out in jan I think) and the midsole is really firm. Kind of feels a bit dead until you up the pace - then the responsiveness seems to make sense. I wonder if this is a Hoka trend?
dangit just replaced my hacked by trail Hokas with the SG4 and my first thought (after walking round the house) was, Gee they seem kinda heavy... will have to pretend they are 3's now in my mind!
How r these shoes in winter time where it's slowy etc?? I would love to buy a shoe for my gf thats comfortable in the winter times, so she doesnt slide around and still feel comfort.
Received Speedgoat 4 today and it's a no, it's going back. Hate the tongue. My foot feels tighter around midfoot with the 4 and it's just not the same as the 3 :(
Thanks for the review. I live in the UK and am looking for a good winter trail shoe that is light and comfortable enough to train and race in. I’ve previously worn Salomons, but I’m quite tall and their lack of cushioning just destroys me during a race. I’ve never worn Hokas before, but I tried on the Evo Mafate 2 and Speedgoat 4 today. The Mafates definitely felt much better for me. No heel slippage in my normal size UK 10 and I really like the upper. Obviously the SG4 is beefier, with more foot protection and a really aggressive stable outsole, but it doesn’t feel quite as good on my feet. My question is, will the Mafate be able to cope with my racing conditions- going from mud to hard slippery rock to loose rocks, wet grassy fields, technical rocky sections and back to mud again? The SG4 outsole looks perfect for all that, but it’s a heavier shoe and I’m really leaning towards the Evo Mafate 2 (it’s just so comfy).
Hey Ethan. Could you please do a Saucony Peregrine 10 vs Hoka One One Speedgoat 4. Or just a Saucony Peregrine 10. :) Love the channel and always come here before I buy new shoes. (Hence the request). Cool cool. Thanks.
Have u reviewed the scarpa ultra spin shoe. I am interested in that shoe based on what I have read about it but can’t seem to find anyone who carries it in size 14 (European 49).
haha, how often do you test shoes by running with one of each version on your feet? I personally used this opportunity to buy another pair of 3s on sale! I love that shoe
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While I love the Speedgoat 3, the new Speedgoat 4 hasn’t been what I’d hoped. Still a solid, durable shoe, but with some new issues. In regards to width and some comments pointing to this not being Hoka’s “wide” version, Hoka themselves advertise this as wider than v3. That’s what I am commenting on in my review. As for their “wide” version (2e), from my knowledge and experience, any “wide” version of a shoe from many manufacturers is built on the same last as normal widths with additional upper material, so not truly “wider” just more volume. This saves on tooling costs, yadda yadda. I’ll report back when I hear more on that specific model. Feel free to report back on your experience with the Speedgoat 4 below!
I couldn't wear the Pegasus 36, but the 4e or "wide" versions is great. This is the same for my 6'3" son. I'm curious about you comments and the "wide" version of shoes having more volume but not more width. I love the Speedgoat 2, except that it hurt my pinky toes after 10-15km because it is too narrow. I was hoping the wide version of the Speedgoat 4 would solve this, but evidently not. I tried a shoe widening tool in my 2s, but the midsole protrudes above the edge which meant it pressed on my pinky toe, even though I managed to stretch the upper a bit. That's very disappointing. I will probably try the EVO, but if they are still too tight, I have to keep looking for a wider shoe. Until then, the Pegasus 36 Trail will have to do, even though I want a proper trail shoe for heavier conditions.
Ouch. What's your verdict about the EVO?
Thanks for the great shoe reviews! I just compared the regular and wide Speedgoat 4's in the same size at REI. The outsole (and thus presumably the last as well) of the wide version is DEFINITELY at least 1-2mm wider than the regular version. The fit is noticeably wider AND higher volume as well. I had to go up a size in the SG2 to get enough width (and I don't have a particularly wide foot - and I still had to wear very thin socks due to the narrowness of the SG2. In the SG4 wide I found my usual size (11.5) to be a good fit. I tried on the SG3 but never bought a pair as they also seemed really narrow and constricting. The regular width SG4 is still way too narrow for me, but in the wide I really like the overall feel and will likely buy a pair soon. I didn't feel like the cushioning is too firm, and it will likely soften up a bit with some mileage - my SG2's definitely got softer over time.
I'm still pretty new to running (1yr) but loved the SG3 - however I found that my feet have grown a little since I started and the SG3 became too small. So I upsized and went for an SG4 which was great as they were a little wider but the profile still seems a little too narrow and I'm finding that it rubs some of my smaller toes pretty bad. Speaking of, the new upper is kinda sandpaper-y on the inside by the toes and seems to be developing some weird folds in it which increase the rubbing. I'd be tempted to try the wide fitting
Why no Evo speedgoat review?
If you skip lacing the bottom holes, the Hoka narrow toe-box (a consistent problem with the Hokas) feels wider.
I've been watching your stuff for years, but I really think it would be refreshing to see some b-roll footage of the shoes in use, as opposed to holding it the whole time.
I agree, a bit of an eye candy won’t hurt 😎👍🏼
After running in the 3’s and 4’s this review is spot on.
I really wanted to love my Speedgoats. Without a doubt the most comfortable shoes that I have ever worn. Two months in, multiple walks, no running, the shoes are coming apart. I'm not a shoe engineer so in simple terms: The "plackard" on of the top of the toe box has separated and flaps around as I walk. Glued down, failed again. The outer clear membrane also appears to be separating. It was a try. They are headed for yard duty.
I look forward to getting my feet in these and doing a review myself, Speedgoat has been my all time favourite running shoe, so big expectations!
Can you use them on the road
@@PochoRepublic You can, but it will wear away the vibram grip outsole a lot quicker on asphalt, so I wouldn't recommend, but sure you can.
Running my second 50k tomorrow in the same speedgoat 3s I ran my first in! Fantastic shoe
Just cant handle the narrow fir. Uggghhh
Good luck and have a blast on your up coming race!!
I couldn't handle the narrow upper. Might want to try a size larger bc for me cushion and traction ok to keep injury free. Best wishes
The thinner tongue is a step back from the Speedgoat 3. Also the fabric that connects the tongue to the rest of the shoe (which was mesh in version 3) has been replaced by a thick one which is like neoprene.
As far as popular shoe reviewers, this guy is closer to honest than many.
Wearing different shoes on each foot is right only if you also switch them left-right ,because our feet are different and also the way each foot lands on ground differs.
Your reviews are always spot on!
I remember your speedgoat 1 review about their faulty incline platform that i wished have known before i bought them,my ankles suffered a lot on them.
Nice review. I personally tested the speedgoat 3, EVO speedgoat, speedgoat 4 and speedgoat 4 gtx. The speedgoat EVO was my favorite despite it being designed from the older speedgoat 3. It was most comfortable, most roomy in the toebox, the lightest and most breathable while still being aggressive and durable enough to withstand extended use on rough terrain.
so do you think i could size down half a size from the SG4 to the EVO?
@@GerdGuchl If the sg4 fit you fine, I would get the same size and just enjoy the slight bit of extra room. I don't think the EVO are actually bigger, they just feel bigger because the upper is more comfortable and stretchy.
Just found a pair of new Speedgoats 3(!) my size on sale. In February 2020! I'm so happy :). Thanks for your reviews ;)
That’s really interesting. It’s all subjective, but I am loving my 4s and wasn’t able to wear the 3s because they were too tight. I felt like it opened up just enough for me to be enjoyable. I think you are on to something about the tongue and allowing volume in there. Maybe that’s what I enjoy 🤔. One thing I can’t stand is how the shoe is a vacuum for mud and the only way to discard it is by round housing a tree ala Jean Claude Van Damme. Unfortunately I injure my leg and there is still mud.....
I had the same exact issue as you. Even the speedgoat 4 felt snug in the toebox. The speedgoat EVO was the perfect solution in my situation plus it's lighter and more durable than the speedgoat 4. That matrix upper stretches to still keep your feet secured to the midsole while still allowing your toes and sides of feet to not feel restricted. It also breathes much better than the higher Kevlar content non-EVO models have. Hopefully they come out with a speedgoat 4 EVO.
The mud sucking is a problem with all the SGs. I think the lugs are too close together. they just need to remove a couple and space them out.
RS7JR I have tried on the EVO Mafate 2 and really liked the upper, but I enjoy the SG feel overall. EVO SG 4 would be awesome! 🙏
@@scottramey5007 I was unable to use the SG3 but the 4 is really wider. And love the new feel. Your foot is just more free.
These are my first proper trail running shoes they are amazing! ~I’m Ellis you may know me for interviewing Jim Walmsly or running a sub 3 half marathon at 9~
Was bummed when I paid full price for a pair of 3’s and then found out the 4’s were right around the corner. Thanks for making me feel better about myself!! 😎
I just got into trail running 2 weeks ago and i'm litterly using my allday white air force 1 shoes with insoles XD i'm kinda trooling looking at those actual trail running shoes, so dope!!
Hi Gingerrunner, You got it exactly right. Used the speedgoat3 before, unfortunatly it was too narrow in the forefoot. This speedgoat4 , exactly the same, could hardly tell the difference. However its pluche midsole feels more like Salomon 'pluche'. I like to go for Hoka One One for the long ultra's but Speedgoat has issues in the frontpart, Mafate issues in the backpart and other brands are just not comfortable, grippy (Salomon) or mature (Nike) enough
The SG2 was good and the SG3 is the perfect shoe for me. But the after 400-450 k the lugs are worn and the midsole cushioning is gone. But I am happy that the SG4 is not WIDER. So SG4 is not wider and will last longer with deeper lugs. So perfect upgrade and a sure buy for me. Great review as always GR. Thanks
I came from the Altra world to Hoka recently... I tried the Speedgoat 4 and found them to be a touch too narrow in the mid/fore foot causing a hotspot. I ended up in the Hoka Stinson which rocks!
My “Running on Hope” sweatshirt arrived today.... happy, happy happy!
I know this is an old post but I was just recently looking to order a “Running on Hope” sweatshirt and noticed it said it was slim fit. I’m 5”11 165lbs. and was unsure on what size to go with, medium or large. Just curious what size you went with and how it does fit as far as sizing! Thanks! Happy Running!🏃🏽♂️
I'm generally fine with narrow shoes but spending this last summer training & racing in the SG3s wreaked havoc on my toenails! Never again!
Same problem here, started putting duct tape on toes and it saves them.
Ugh! I wish they did the speed goat with a wider forefoot. It’s too narrow for me on ultra runs, but love the rocker and response of them. One day I hope Hoka figures it out...
love the new Speedgoad 4. Put 275 miles on my first pair and was not disappointed. Just swapped in the Evos as my training shoe. I agree with you that the Evo Speedgoat is a better shoe and lighter. I'm running about 40-60 miles /week with 15-30 in the speedgoats.
Been running in these since the day they came out. To me lots better than the 3. Much more responsive and less mushy than the 2/3. Have the Mafate 2 too and these have totally took over them. For me a better fit. Better grip too. Obviously slightly heavier but worth it.
Thanks Ethan, just bought two more pairs of SG3 at a good price after this review! 👍🏻👊🏻
I bought these in Wide. Ran 10 miles on my first run in them, and pretty comfy. Had a couple minor blisters.
my first hoka's i love them best trail running shoe i have had up to now
I’ll try these on a few longer hikes.
If they agree with me I might just use these for my AT thru hike.
Thanks for the review!👍
Yes i also buy them for hiking lol
I’ve actually loved the 3 previous models and the Mafate as well. My least favorite model is this SG 4. I do not like the tongue, but agree on the “likes and dislikes”Ethan commented on.
I think that tongue is what kills me.
I snug up the laces so I run downhill without my feet sliding to the tip and lock my foot. But then my feet go numb and hurt until I loosen the laces but then my feet move around too much.
I compared the 4 to the 3 at a store and the sole is one or two millimeters wider. Also when I tried them back to back the 4 did indeed have more room for my toes to splay. So at least for me there is a noticeable difference there :) I'll try the wide version though before I pull the trigger on the 4s.
premierS3 any issues with the heel slipping on the 4’s?
@@btp98w I didn't notice anything but I haven't really ran in them.
premierS3 gotcha. Thanks for the reply! Happy running!
*Dissenting* opinion: I tried to love the Speedgoat 3 but it was a tiny bit too narrow and I felt like the shoe was forcing me to run pigeon toed. But I LOVE THE NEW SG 4. Just wide enough that my toes can spread, prefer the new midsole material and love that the shoe doesn't force your gait to turn in. And it may be only 1 mm wider but feels like 4 mm wider. Basically my favourite shoe, maybe ever :)
Still rockin the SG2! Other than the fact that it takes 50+ miles of wear before they don't feel super tight, what an incredible trail shoe, especially for rocky conditions like here in AZ.
Bought a pair of the Speedgoat 4 GTX's whilst on holiday in USA (don't think they are availabe in Australia yet). Have taken them for a few runs so far and seem ok. I love Hoka's for road shoes but these are my first trails shoes by them. Like them so far, but need to take them on a few longer runs to really get a good impression.
So far I ran 1500 km with the mafate 2 and they still get up, they have lost traction and softness. Due to the high price I switched to goat 4, for me the comfort is enough and in the wide version there is really more space than goat 3 which is narrow for me.
moi j ai pris 44 2/3 pour les speedgoat 4 alors que j avais pris 44 pour les speedgoat 3 , et la difference est notable , j aurais du prendre 44 2/3 dans les speedgoat 3 aussi .
I feel like the width is actually improved a lot. And it still feels really extremely soft cushoned not hard at all. And half an ounce heavier, seriously? I dont know what you are complaining about
I demo'd these and really liked them. I was coming off a pair of Challenger ATRs so the brand was familiar. Found the Speedgoat 4s really fun on singletrack (Santa Monica Mountains). I was worried the Goats might be a little too cushy. I ended up buying NW Enduris based on a friend's recommendation and the GR's review of it. But if I had to do it again, would probably go Speedgoat.
What are everyones thoughts on the Speed Goat 4 vs the Evo Speed Goat?
Ethan please don’t forget that the Speedgoat 4 is the first of the Speedgoats to be or already ( not here in Oz yet) released in a 2E wide. Which I am looking forward to trying. Keep up the great work you and Kim are doing 👍😎
Shaun Atkins from my knowledge and experience, any “wide” version of a shoe is on the same last with additional upper material, so not truly “wider” just more volume. This saves on tooling and overage costs. Feel free to report back on your experience with this one!
Tried it on in the store the toe box was like wearing ballet slippers way to narrow good cushion though.
Ironically just ordered them because of they advertised a wider shoe. Hmmm doesn't sound like that is the case. I look forward to trying - thanks for your honest review!
When can we expect a Speedgoat 5 review? Curious to hear if you think the 5 improves on the 4.
Your ginger foot may be not wide enough to notice the difference in width between the SG 3 and 4. You could always break out your ginger measuring tool and measure it.
I actually think the added stability is a big plus. I never liked the 3 because I just felt I lose too much energy, and that it was too mushy. The SG4 I feel like the more cushioned version of the Sense Ride 3. Both of them are perfect for the tech trails of the alps. I use the SR3 for everything lower than 3..4 hours and the SG4 of everything over that.
Very dissapointed with the SG4. I was hoping that finally they fixed the pointy toebox, but like Ethan, I did not feel any difference compared to SG3. Unuseable shoe because of the toebox. Hate the idea that I would have to size up just because the toebox is being shaped like a cowboy boot.
Was hoping for more than the speedgoat 3s as the 3s are my go to, I was getting excited for the 4s and what they might do to improve but it looks like I'll stick to my 3s while they still on the shelf 👍🏻 great review as always
Ethan, potentially silly question here: at what point would you worry about buying older shoes, in terms of their sole material stiffening from age? Is that a thing? How long are Speedgoat 3's a potential pickup, do they "expire"?
Swap the insole for a thinner one, I used the insole from my hoka napali, improves fit of the shoe
It is incredible how many companies fail with the width of the shoe, and the comfort of the toebox! Is it that ultrarunning is too recent? Is it that the traditional shoe standard is wrong from the beginning? I am thinking about the Speedgoad 4 Wide. Anyone has experience with this shoe?
Recommendation needed******* I am in search of more shock absorption, I tried on a pair of Hoka Speedgoat 4's, they were too squishy for me.....what would be a max shoe that is a tad less squishy but still offers rock protection and decent shock absorption. Currently i am on the other end of the scale with a 2year old pair of Altra Lone Peak 3.0s (stack ht of 25mm but feel like barefoot at times) which can feel a toothpick if you ran over one. I need some bounce, shock absorption, rock protection.......you get the idea. thanks in advance
I have the SG4 but I haven't run in it yet. I am waiting for snow. I hope it provides grip in snow. Mine is orange. I think that the blue one is the best looking colorway. There is a wide version coming out in spring to fix the fit problems if someone wants more room in the toebox.
Been a big fan of the SG2 that I picked up for $60 a year ago. Gotta get some of the 3s soon!
Picked up a pair of SG3 last week for $83.00 , may pick up another pair at that price based on this review .
Bummer regarding the lack of additional width. I have a pair of SG2 that have been solid but could use a few mm extra up front to make them perfect. Had hoped 4 would do the trick. Guess I'll be getting some 3's and look forward to next year's Saucony lineup. The new NB Hierro also looks really interesting.
I like them. The 3’s outer material broke down rather rapidly which was a disappointment. These look sturdier and still look good after a fair number of miles. Can’t say that I notice the half ounce of weight difference (not sure I even have a scale that would show me the difference). Width, yeah I don’t feel a difference either. Midsole... i must be a very indiscriminate runner, I don’t feel a difference. But I also run on Altra Lone Peak 4 with a lot less cushioning so every time I pull on the Hokas they feel very plush to me. And yes, I am wearing them right now.
I had to run about 50 miles for the upper to break in
I bought a pair speedgoat4 and I returned them after the first run. The upper material it’s a little tough, and was digging on top of my toe. I was pretty disappointed, but I will say I felt like I was bouncing all over the place.
First Speedgoat I've been able to wear that didn't feel cramped.
Million dollar Shoe idea for any company out there. Brand Name: Squeakies- a shoe that intentionally squeaks when you land hard on your heel to make you aware that you are heel striking so you can correct your form when you are getting sloppy. Or, a device that will hook onto your normal running shoes that would make a sound when you start heel striking. I think this would be great because I don’t know about you guys, but when I first started running, I could not tell if I was heel striking unless I videotaped myself running. And I ended up over correcting to a extreme forefoot strike which gave me very bad shin splints. I feel like this would be a good way of getting real time immediate feedback on what your footstrike is actually doing as you’re running without encouraging overcorrection.
I generally agree with your reviews but... I really like the Speedgoat 4. I never could get my foot in the toe box of the previous Speedgoats and wore the Mafate and Torrent. I've got 38 miles on the SG4 including an 18 mile race and tend to forget I'm even wearing them. It could be the tongue giving more volume I agree but I love the locked down feeling and grip for technical trails. I'm planning on wearing these for 3 winter races. It's a great all around trail shoe IMO.
Steve George could you compare the fit of the SG4 to the Torrent? I run in the latter and am trying to decide on getting the SG4 or another pair of torrents which have been great
@@brandonroot2840 The Torrent toe box is bigger and the upper is stretchier. I like the Torrent for shorter fast efforts. The SG4 is definitely more locked down in the middle. I can't wear super thick socks with them. The SG4 is better for technical runs and doesn't move around like the Torrent. I'd go by a store and try on the SG4 to see how it compares but the Torrent seems to run bigger. The thinner tongue gives more room and after they broke in a little bit I love the feel. I'm not coming from the previous SG versions but for me they are great. I have the first Mafate and loved that shoe on normal trails but not so much on technical plus the upper is not forgiving. The Torrent upper is very forgiving and the SG is in the middle. Hope this helps and good luck! Get them from Runners Warehouse with the Ginger code and you can send them back if they don't work.
Steve George rad, thanks for the input!
Hoka is releasing the Torrent 2 this upcoming spring.
Brian E 😯
Appreciate the review! Keep getting after it!
Looking forward to more reviews of the new Saucony shoes :)
Buuutttt....arent they touting a wide version of this shoe in the new version?? Thanks!
Altho I didn’t have the old Speedgoats, I expected more width compared to the Brooks I have. The overall volume of the sole and the rolling system is rather a huge difference to the Brooks I have to say. Let’s see what my knees tell me over the next few weeks...
I was told at The Running Event that had "wide sizes" available. However they did not have any at the show. I really like my Evo Speedgoats, but wish it was wider as it causes me some issues with my arch. Almost feels like I have planter fasciitis when I'm running (for the first few miles). I'm hoping it's true that they do have them made in wider sizes.
Unfortunately I could never get into Hokas because of their narrow and shallow toebox across the whole range.
Great review as always. Now stocking up on 3’s 👍
I bought a new pair of SpeedGoat 3s about two weeks before the 4 was introduced. Now I'm glad I "missed out" on the latest version. I always wear an 11.5 but had go go to a 12 in the 3! Actually, my favorite is the original SpeedGoat 1. Go figure!
Fabulous grip and comfort (for a X/C) but still too tight around the mid foot (that's if you like the Brooks Ghost width)
Was that the wide version? If so that’s disappointing but you never clarified this ! Wides not out til December in Oz
Morgan Flockhart from my knowledge and experience, any “wide” version of a shoe is on the same last with additional upper material, so not truly “wider” just more volume. This saves on tooling and overage costs. Feel free to report back on your experience with this one.
TheGingerRunner yeah thanks mate have them on order! Will be interesting only ordered them cause I thought they’d be wider?🤔
Love your shoe reviews -- even though I gave up on wearing anything but shoes of a single brand a few years ago.
Thanks for the review. Yet again my hopes were built up and yet again they were dashed. When will Hoka release a properly wider Speedgoat? The 3 was simply too narrow.
There is a wide 2E version due at the end of December: Perhaps that will deliver.
In the meantime, an Altra Paradigm 4.5 review would be great!
Might try the Speedgoat 3 over the 4, not too sure about the neon green outline around the tongue, kind of looks like something else
I bought the 4 last week. And the toe box seems narrow. Maybe I need a wide. With thicker sock.
Truly just disappointed in Hoka the past year. Bought 3 different pairs of shoes from them and all blew out within under 50 miles. Always have worn the same size and had always been a huge fan but after working with their customer service I had to look elsewhere. Thanks so much for the review because I’m always still interested in what’s coming out and others prospectives on their shoes.
Ethan, I've tried the speedgoat 3 and the sense ride 2, both give me a little blister in the arch behind the big toe, which is a shame as I otherwise love the feel of the speedgoat. I need a speedgoat that fits like a NB1080? What is the magical shoe that I'm looking for?
Great review as always, glad I picked the speed goat 3's up in the sale! What watch are you using currently and would you recommend it? Also, what's the grey top you're wearing this episode??
How much did you get em for on sale?
I’ve ran a bunch in the Speedgoat 2 and 3. I have about 30 miles in my Speedgoat 4 and I think you nailed it in this review. I couldn’t agree more, especially about the midsole changes.
I’ve also noticed that the midsole has been flattening out a bit prematurely too in the 4 where I didn’t have that in the 2 or 3. It reminds me of a little how some of my Altra midsoles flatten out. Did you experience any of this as well?
Geof Crowl bummer. I’ve seen Hoka do this with a lot of shoes like the Clifton. It just ruins them. Like running on tire runner. Not cool Hoka!
Hi everyone, been running with a Hoka Torrent for the past year and loved it (especially its wider toe box than the Speedgoat 2 that I used to wear). I was wondering how is the toe box of the Speedgoat 3 & 4, the Speedgoat EVO compared to the Torrent?! I would really appreciate some feedbacks in comparison to the Torrent! Thanks in advance folks :)
I bought this pair of shoes in men’s, I’ve really enjoyed my runs in them but I feel that the smaller tongue digs into my leg and I have to wear taker socks to not get bloody.
Interesting. I’ve just got the Mach 3 to test (coming out in jan I think) and the midsole is really firm. Kind of feels a bit dead until you up the pace - then the responsiveness seems to make sense. I wonder if this is a Hoka trend?
dangit just replaced my hacked by trail Hokas with the SG4 and my first thought (after walking round the house) was, Gee they seem kinda heavy... will have to pretend they are 3's now in my mind!
Thanks for the review! I was really hoping you would announce how much wider the toebox is....sadface. Guess I'll stick with my Altras for now.
Jeff M it’s not wider - that I can tell - that’s the problem
Great review!
So for ultras it's either an Altra Olympus 4 or a Topo Ultraventure in your opinion? Have you tried the latter?
I was really looking forward to trying a wider Speedgoat. Sad panda.
plainbagel it is definitely wider, I’ve tried both of them on in my store! I believe they shall bringing out a wide version soon😊
Great review thank you
Got mine from Amazon 3 weeks ago for $160. Now three weeks later $250 on Amazon. Not sure why price jumped. Maybe it's being phased out?
Just bought a pair will up date 😄
How r these shoes in winter time where it's slowy etc?? I would love to buy a shoe for my gf thats comfortable in the winter times, so she doesnt slide around and still feel comfort.
Would you consider using the Speedgoat or Mafate on Spartan races?
Did you ever do a review of the Speedgoat 3? I can't find one.
Are the Speedgoats good for running on asphalt as well? Thanks!
Received Speedgoat 4 today and it's a no, it's going back. Hate the tongue. My foot feels tighter around midfoot with the 4 and it's just not the same as the 3 :(
Thanks for the review. I live in the UK and am looking for a good winter trail shoe that is light and comfortable enough to train and race in.
I’ve previously worn Salomons, but I’m quite tall and their lack of cushioning just destroys me during a race.
I’ve never worn Hokas before, but I tried on the Evo Mafate 2 and Speedgoat 4 today. The Mafates definitely felt much better for me. No heel slippage in my normal size UK 10 and I really like the upper. Obviously the SG4 is beefier, with more foot protection and a really aggressive stable outsole, but it doesn’t feel quite as good on my feet.
My question is, will the Mafate be able to cope with my racing conditions- going from mud to hard slippery rock to loose rocks, wet grassy fields, technical rocky sections and back to mud again?
The SG4 outsole looks perfect for all that, but it’s a heavier shoe and I’m really leaning towards the Evo Mafate 2 (it’s just so comfy).
Hey Ethan.
Could you please do a Saucony Peregrine 10 vs Hoka One One Speedgoat 4.
Or just a Saucony Peregrine 10. :)
Love the channel and always come here before I buy new shoes. (Hence the request).
Cool cool.
Thanks.
There will be 2e widths for the SG4
Great review. So, where can you get SG3's for $88????? I love the ones I have and would be happy to stock up!
Have u reviewed the scarpa ultra spin shoe. I am interested in that shoe based on what I have read about it but can’t seem to find anyone who carries it in size 14 (European 49).
haha, how often do you test shoes by running with one of each version on your feet? I personally used this opportunity to buy another pair of 3s on sale! I love that shoe
Hi how u compare speed goat 4 vs nike trail 2 new version which is better