Hey Bart and Stacy! I posted a comment this morning, I thought? I didn't know if I said something wrong? My sound partner and I love your videos and content! You guys help us make the decision to purchase 6 - CDL 12P's. Just finished a system check over the weekend and were absolutely blown away!! Thanks again for all of your hard work and keeping sound alive and fun! @soundcrashers
I used to do sooo many gigs like this....hotels with never ending pushes. I live in a very rural area now, we dont have hotels out here! I do completely different types of gigs out here, far less music...which I am fine with. I do church stuff, school stuff, conferences, rodeos, auctions, parades, expos, etc... and a little music. But Im home for dinner a lot more often these days, compared to the days of doing mostly corporate party bands. I will be 53 next month, I have been doing sound for a living, for 35 years. About a year ago I began selling off some of my bigger stuff, and have begun replacing it with some smaller lighter stuff. Most of the gigs I do now, I do by myself...so its getting to that time in life where I cant just schlep all the big heavy stuff, all the time, as well as I used to. But honestly, the smaller stuff is making as much or more money than the bigger stuff. The non music related gigs pay a little better, and are typically less stressful...and they dont go until the wee hours of the morning!
Glad to hear it! Not going to the wee hours is definitely a plus and a game changer at this age in life! Most of the time we just shake our heads at some of the load ins at the newer places - the design doesn't match for convenience and sound experience! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks team, a pleasure to watch as usual. Glad the new gear was a success. when using gear I’m not familiar with I keep a pdf version of the manual on my laptop or iPad. I’ve even saved a few short TH-cam posts to help with settings, configuration or tips. You could film some “reminder or tips” posts just in case.
That's a great idea...we did that with our CDL cases and I have referenced that for when Stacy isn't around. Should consider that too for the Donner DMX gear. The thing to remember is that they are different color lights to set for the frequency, but in operation mode, they always blink the same color...the transmitter operations blinks red, and the receiver blinks in green. Those are also used in the selected frequency and that only displays briefly when you turn them on. It would be much easier if they just blinked with the same frequency color. Steady light on...blinking light - transmitting/receiving.
When I was a light engineer doing shows from 2010 to 2013, I used wireless sticks like them. One tip so there isn't so many frequency problems, use one wireless stick to the area (tree) then run dmx cable out to the rest of the fixtures from the out of the first fixture on that tree.. each wireless stick should be able to handle up to 7 fixtures. and also I forgot to mention, I use to plug the wireless stick into a dmx cable up to the fixture, so just in case something went wrong, I could access the stick without lowering the rig. Not sure if you understood what I'm texting there.. If I have time this week, I'll try and shoot a quick video for you
This video helped us understand the versatility of the PreSonus CDL 10Ps and the kind of commitment that The Sound Couple makes to achieve the maximum tuning of the equipment. Thanks for allowing us to tag along to this gig. As usual, we tip our hats for a great learning experience. I especially appreciated allowing us to view the troubleshooting segment at the end of the video.
Thanks Dean! This concludes our CDL Gig Log Series....they are now a part of arsenal and we will be used throughout our future videos (remember, the future is all relative in the Sound Couple's world)!
@@thesoundcoupleHello I’m wondering where did you get your Stand that you guys put your Rack Mixer on. What is the brand and the size? My dad and I are looking for one to put our portable x32 rack mixer on.
@@CodyFoley-x3o Here is a link to a similar, but they are currently unavailable! www.amazon.com/dp/B097Q8Z9XV/?coliid=I3HHGUYJB2D8YC&colid=2NLB7HPLXSQ32&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
Thank u Bart and Stacy! Your vids have a lot of advices! I have a small business in Portugal since 2016, last year investment was 2x IP3000 Turbosound, and its great for indoor gigs! My gf helps me a lot in the events too! Its something amazing we can make something we love with someone we love too. Keep up SoundCouple!
Another great The SC show. Bart, I think I understand the Pre1/Pre2 you were talking about when ringing out the monitors. The confusion for me is that not all of the Aux sends have GEQ available. I I am using Aux 10 output for a monitor, there is no GEQ(32 band) EQ available. Thank you and Stacy for sharing what you two do!
Excellent point....yeah, that's a dilemma. If any of the mixes are in-ears, you may be able to get by on those or if you have a monitor with some eq'ing built into it, or an accommodating musician that just needs to hear themselves a bit or just an instrument with light vocals. Otherwise, you are probably looking at a dedicated monitor console. We aren't opposed to a dedicated console, but we have learned to adopt and appreciate the speed and simplicity of managing a single console.
Hello Bart and Stacy, Just wanting to let you know 1) Point on big sounding drums taken. 2) Even after all the compression and other digital crap your video gets exposed to, it still sounded very good. Keep up the good work!!
Thank you! It does come up a bit in comments or even at the gig...why are you mic'ing the drums? There are exceptions and variations...but in general, our approach is to mic the drums.
@thesoundcouple Hey, keep on mic'ing the drums! Because I really do like it. There is a point in the video where you first hear the unamplified drum and where you start to increase the volume of the PA. That was the moment where your comment really locked in for me: Big stadium drums everywhere which add so many levels of experiencing the music to the performance. Added to the already known fact that low end adds to really experiencing the performance. The guys of Churchfront did a video on that a while ago. About that compression and such: You do know I meant TH-cam's compression and digital crap?
@@Richard1977 Hi Richard - TH-cam is definitely a double edge sword. With the type of content we produce, they keep pushing the boundaries in making it very challenging for us to sustain or provide the type of content we would really like to do. We are constantly working around their restrictions in either omitting, taking a hit, or compromising the content. We realize that a lot of this is even out of their control, but there is a lot that could be improved for all.
@thesoundcouple Not wanting to be the negative guy in the comment section, but in the end it all comes down to money and extracting every last cent possible by certain parties and caring more about that than content. In the end that will lead to dumb, contentless content that is only about likes and creating income for TH-cam thru commercials. Sometimes I wonder if we already haven't reached that last point (on commercials) because when I cast your video on my TV I get twice as many commercials as when I watch on my phone.
I use similar wireless DMX units made by Chinly. This past weekend I was running sound for a band at an event. There was also a DJ setup with his own rig as he was MC as well. As soon as I walked in I saw his flashing green lights...he had the same units I did. Mine change frequencies by inserting a pen or similar object into a small hole and pressing a button. The color of the LED light changes to denote which frequency you're on. Yours might be similar.
Thanks for sharing...that is exactly how ours work too. Your story reminds us of the same issue we had at a gig, but they changed theirs so we didn't need to touch ours.
Great content as always! I have similair experiences with the wireless DMX. If there is a lot of interference it can make it very annoying. Sometimes event line of sight can make a difference.
Yes, we have noticed that too. What's interesting though, is that they work 99.5% of the time, so we can't complain, but it does throw us off when they don't work!
If you are using the donner dmx wifi sticks , heres a tip. From main dmx box come out with a 3 ft dmx cable and connect the transmitter to that. Also plug in transmitter first to get the red flashing light, then you can start connecting the 1 receivers per tree and daisy chain the other lights on the tree. So if you are running two tri pods with lighting you would only be using two receivers. As always great vid.
My suggestion (with hindsight) Scan or download all the manuals to a Google Drive or similar so you can always get to the manuals wherever you are. If you only have a small manual, just take photos of the configuration pages and upload those.
The bass drum for the trapset our jazz ensemble uses, has no port in it! It's not an easy bass drum to mic! Have both the Shure bass drum mic (same model as yours) and an Avantone bass drum mic. The Avantone seems to work better for no port on the kick.
Kelly-Shu mounting system is an option for the bass drum, (for mounting a bass frequency mic) if there’s no port hole. But there might be a slight issue getting the xlr cable through the air vent hole. Idk, just a thought. But that’s also on the drummer’s part to decide. IMO, one mic for the bass drum is plenty. Especially for small-to-medium sized indoor venues. Condenser mics have a purpose and place of use, but they can sometimes also create a challenge. Great vid and teamwork as always!
Talking about muscle memory, do you all get massages or yoga or something to stay in top shape. Bart talked about the back at 11:00. I wondered about this while you all were loading the van. Maybe with one to three gigs per month, you have lots of down time to rejuvanate. (sp.) You might call this personal maintenance as compared to your van maintenance series earlier. How you you keep the back and legs in top shape? Yes on the lift and twist (11:00) - lifting a pencil or sheet of paper can throw the back out if done incorrectly! More questions and comments on ergonomics that equipment - hmmm??? Such a tight travel space from van to venue---it sucks. Now you need slip resistant footwear (for the kitchen.) The new speakers should great. Thanks.
Love the video as usual, love getting a notification to say you guys have a new vid up! I would love a video on you really digging into eqing the room. For example, and boomy room. Also, with the cdl10p, do you think this setup, 2 subs and 2 of the cdl10, would cover a crowd of 250 people I doors? Thanks!
Thanks for the comment! Room coverage is so subjective and depends on your application and requirements. For example, for room coverage, are you providing a paid concert experience where every seat needs clear audio at X dB, or is it a multi-purpose event where if some of those 250 people could want to hear the band better so they move closer? These are completely two different requirements that the same 250 people could be attending. We have literally hundreds of videos showing what we do with ours that can hopefully help with your own conclusions! We have done several gigs with ours with 250 people, but we could change our approaches depending on what those 250 people were there for and what type of an event it was.
Hey Bart, When I got into the @02:12 marker on the video, I noticed your oil pressure is below 20 PSI at idle. It seems a little low and concerning. I just wanted to point that out to you.
HIIII YOU'RE BACK!!! IT WAS GREAT HOW YOU SET UP THE NEW SPEAKERS THE SOUND WAS IMPECCABLE COULD YOU MAKE AN AUDIO OUTPUT RING IN THE RECORDING SO THAT IT SOUNDS AS IT IS HEARD FROM THEM?? ON AN AUX?
Thank you for watching! We have featured recordings on several videos in the past. However, for this one, our focus was capturing the sound of the speakers in the room. None of this can be perfect, but at least it provides a sense of where things are at.
what possessed sennheiser to make the front of the 901 so damn wide? lol Used to have one, but have since ditched it in favour of the Shure SM91, and more recently the SE BL8, which is spectacular as a single mic solution. The 91 always needed an outside mic in conjunction. I'm rather interested on what you've got going on with that beta 52... I've never felt I needed to cut any top end out of that mic, in any genre... and most times still wanted fairly significant boosts in the top end
If you look at the frequency response of a Beta 52, there is a significant bump in the 4-6k which is exactly what I backed off. We have an EV 868 which probably would have been a good choice here too as it's flatter. Our 901 we use mostly for convenience, and it sounds good too once you get it dialed in.
@@thesoundcouple yeah, I'm familiar with the B52 boost, but I still always find myself typically boosting more most of the time. I wonder if there's something in the presonus that's actually giving you more attack yet, like the gate potentially? I'm not suggesting you shouldn't have cut it. based off of what the camera audio picked up, it absolutely needed cut. I'm just curious why you and I have such different experiences with the same microphone...
@@dustinthiessen I am thinking it has more to do with the tuning, the size of the drum and the beater. We didn't show it in this video, but with permission, I like to down with an unfamiliar kit and hear it acoustically so I know what I am dealing with.
hi, thank you for your videos! it inspires me a lot. im also a starting sound guy from the philippines. May i ask what is your monitor speakers? they look slim and easy to transport. Thank you
Thanks for the question! Those are our PreSonus 328ai's cabinets. Unfortunately, PreSonus discontinued this model. They are nice and slim, but not extremely portable. They are a bit heavy compared to some more current offerings, but they are quite reliable and sound very good.
It hurts me to see such a gig for the band and you guys. I've been there loads of times, away from home for 10 to 12 hours for some money but nothing else in return.
hello! I spoke to specialists from presonus in Brazil but I don't think they are that specialist... could you answer my question about the StudioLive 32R PreSonus Rack Mixer? The rack has 24 preamplifiers, and can be connected to another similar one and double the number of channels. However, does the software already have 48 native channels in it, being able to duplicate channels or does it only open the other channels when another 32R is connected to it? I would like to duplicate all the channels, using just one rack and have the entire band duplicated to make the monitor, like in the past on the Yamaha LS9. and I also wanted to know what the minimum latency is that it can be connected to a computer. I was thinking about using it with the waves sound grid, with external puglins. I follow your channel from time to time and I admire you so much! good gigs!
You have a lot going on! If you are not familiar with the StudioLive Facebook groups, we would highly encourage you to check them out because there the groups are very active with users doing all sorts of configurations. To answer your basic questions, the SL mixers are limited to 32 XLR/analog and 64 AVB/USB channels...period. You can't add mixers to expand channel counts.
Yup me again…how was the transition/adjustment from actual tactile faders to touchscreen/Ipen? Getting to the point where I need to pick what route I’m gunna go. Tablet/rack mixer or digital counsel. I know dragging my analog desk and outboard rack just isn’t worth it. Great video new rig sounds good What a pain in a…. Room not very inviting as how it was setup… pillar right in the view of the band
As always thank you for sharing. When I lived in Minnesota, that used to be my favorite restaurant, Pinstripes. And I literally lived 5 min walk away from that place. Your information is always useful. I have a question. How do you guys get leads for these events? Do people just know you or you have good advertising strategies?
Great catch! Fun place, not so fun load in/out! To answer your question, we do no advertising. All of our gigs are through word of mouth and majority are booked directly through the bands, which is what happened in this case.
Hello Bart, I understand what you are saying about the EQ in the monitors vs mains but in the text you mention Pre 1 & Pre 2 settings..Can you elaborate on that? What does Pre 1 & Pre 2 mean specific? Can't recall I ever saw a setting called that in the Presonus mixers.
My crossover stopped working a bit ago and was thinking of buying another but having watched your videos where you dont use a separate crossover I'm thinking why do I need one. Why dont you guys use one? Loads of people say you should have a separate crossover and even sound engineers frown at me for saying anything else! Haha 😂
We don't use one because our speakers can do it through their DSP. We can set crossover point on subs and our mains have a high pass filter...what else do we need to do?
When you refer to "two box mode vs one box mode" with regard to the midrange, is that just the setting on the cabinets? You are still using one box but thinking of setting it in two box to alleviate electronically the boosted upper mids that you don't care for. Do I have that right?
You are correct...the CDL10P's have a "Mode" setting. 1 box through 6 box mode. These are presets are what PreSonus recommends based onn how many you are using in your array.
As we have mentioned in the past, we don't typically do walk throughs or in some cases, we aren't provided a lot of details. To offset this we try to give us plenty of time and have a good system to transport gear and have all of the gear we would need with us. This approach doesn't work for all types of gigs, but when we can, this ends up saving us time overall that a gig can consume.
it is so easy no need to read manual thier is a small hole in transmitter and reaciever i believe it is near at indicator lights you need a needle to push in the switch inside and match the color. remember not to insert the transmitter yet to artnet device
This cannot be completely avoided. Our approach is to think of the stage as part of our mix and not as separate entities...we don't try to mix over the stage, but instead, mix with it. So in the case of stage vocal monitor, we will take whatever is coming off that and mix our FOH with it....for example, we may end up slightly cutting some lows on a vocal because it's coming off woofy sounding from the stage. Of course, the bigger your stage/room, the more separated they become. This is why we love using a tablet for mixing since it allows us the freedom to hear and adjust from several angles....not just perched at some fixed point out front.
We mix with an iPad Pro. It's definitely a premium tablet and provides us with some additionally functionality. However, as a straight mixing device, we also have an Amazon Fire tablet which really works well at a fraction of the price.
Hey, I have a presonus 16.4.2 and a 24.4.2 I use the UC Surface app, but I notice something. you can see on the iPad the frequency of every channel while equalazing it, how can i see it? Is this a setting? A special feature for your mixer? Please awnser 🙏, i really need this feature Because I have to use a different app to see the frequency, thank you
We have this Amazon link to a similar table, but they are unavailable...hopefully this can still help: www.amazon.com/dp/B097Q8Z9XV/?coliid=I3HHGUYJB2D8YC&colid=2NLB7HPLXSQ32&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
They are different sized speakers, so they will not stack. Other than that, there is nothing stopping you, but I would be cautious putting them next to each other as you will likely experience considerable comb filtering.
When are you going to come into the real world and get a 8 foot loading ramp for the van ?? I use mine for every show and my 24 yearold helper loves it . I will be 69 on June 28th and have ramps or lift gates on all of my trucks , vans and trailers ...I got mine off of eBay ..
LOL! I guess we are going to remain in fantasy land...our subs are the only piece of gear on wheels...they are 50lbs lift per person which is manageable. I guess just a difference in perspective...if we had more caster road cases, sure, but we purposely moved away from using those.
@@thesoundcoupleWell, your way of handling gear wouldn't also be my way. I can see why you do it the way you do and it makes for a lot of gear in a small van. But it is cumbersome and a lot of handling and lifting. It even makes me think that your load in and out could be much quicker. I am more the road case (flightcase in the Netherlands/Europe) -guy as it is a standard way of working here. A ramp on a small van and lift gate on a truck are also part of that. It's also pretty commen overhere to pack everything n cases whenever/wherever possible. So in that perspective you will probably understand that I purchased two new cable cases last week.
You are correct...that's a good point. I guess we have phased this out as our process as our opportunities to do this are so unpredictable. People who don't understand what it is you are doing tend to get very annoyed if you are doing this in a room.
@@thesoundcouple Oh how well I KNOW you can't do it in a room with patrons! It's only when we have an event where there is a DOOR OPENS time that we can do it - before the crowd. Just like ringing out the monitors - can be annoying to people in the room. At least they are pointed away from them!
Set once and forget gear that fails after having worked flawlessly for years is indeed a nightmare because who the hell remembers how to operate it? That's actually one of my concerns setting up my system, and as a result, I'm simplifying to the max 😂. There's many cheap toys here in China for PA, I don't mean that in a bad way, but it's easy to overcomplicate a setup. I won't touch DMX until there's an affordable automated solution. I prefer to hire a light operator with gear 🤣
Picking your battles is definitely part of how you design and implement your systems. What's important to you, may not necessarily resonate with someone else, but sharing ideas is what we are here to do and comments really help!
@thesoundcouple The German brand HK Audio used to have shirts with almost the same text as a promotional item somewhere halfway the 2000s. The last sentence on the "other requests" was a bit different tho. It was: And no, you can't borrow my Sharpie. I should still have one of those... As it was copyright free text, it got used for company branded shirts for my buddies company. And believe it or not, those shirts got so popular that techs from other companies started wearing them. Best almost free (around $5 per shirt back then) advertisement he got as his company was getting linked with events we never even heard of! Those were the days...
I hate those rediculious load ins. Most folks have no clue what it takes to have a band. Oh yeah just throw the band over there. Theres one plug, thats enough right? It should be alright we do it all the time ...😵💫🥴
Minnesota has such a great vibe for live music,so refreshing to see
We never take this fact for granted!
Hey Bart and Stacy! I posted a comment this morning, I thought? I didn't know if I said something wrong? My sound partner and I love your videos and content! You guys help us make the decision to purchase 6 - CDL 12P's. Just finished a system check over the weekend and were absolutely blown away!! Thanks again for all of your hard work and keeping sound alive and fun! @soundcrashers
Hmmmm...did you leave a comment that doesn't appear? If so, not sure what happened....We are happy to hear that the CDL12P's started out well for you!
Good to have your partner with you in all the gigs!!! Great videos
Yes....we need to remind each other of that sometimes!
I like the rack mixer setup, a cleaner and nicer looking setup for a smaller venue.
Thanks - using a rack mixer for these types of gigs is a win for sure. Small footprint and low visibility is definitely an advantage!
I used to do sooo many gigs like this....hotels with never ending pushes. I live in a very rural area now, we dont have hotels out here!
I do completely different types of gigs out here, far less music...which I am fine with. I do church stuff, school stuff, conferences, rodeos, auctions, parades, expos, etc... and a little music. But Im home for dinner a lot more often these days, compared to the days of doing mostly corporate party bands.
I will be 53 next month, I have been doing sound for a living, for 35 years. About a year ago I began selling off some of my bigger stuff, and have begun replacing it with some smaller lighter stuff. Most of the gigs I do now, I do by myself...so its getting to that time in life where I cant just schlep all the big heavy stuff, all the time, as well as I used to.
But honestly, the smaller stuff is making as much or more money than the bigger stuff. The non music related gigs pay a little better, and are typically less stressful...and they dont go until the wee hours of the morning!
Glad to hear it! Not going to the wee hours is definitely a plus and a game changer at this age in life!
Most of the time we just shake our heads at some of the load ins at the newer places - the design doesn't match for convenience and sound experience!
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks team, a pleasure to watch as usual. Glad the new gear was a success. when using gear I’m not familiar with I keep a pdf version of the manual on my laptop or iPad. I’ve even saved a few short TH-cam posts to help with settings, configuration or tips. You could film some “reminder or tips” posts just in case.
That's a great idea...we did that with our CDL cases and I have referenced that for when Stacy isn't around. Should consider that too for the Donner DMX gear. The thing to remember is that they are different color lights to set for the frequency, but in operation mode, they always blink the same color...the transmitter operations blinks red, and the receiver blinks in green. Those are also used in the selected frequency and that only displays briefly when you turn them on. It would be much easier if they just blinked with the same frequency color. Steady light on...blinking light - transmitting/receiving.
When I was a light engineer doing shows from 2010 to 2013, I used wireless sticks like them. One tip so there isn't so many frequency problems, use one wireless stick to the area (tree) then run dmx cable out to the rest of the fixtures from the out of the first fixture on that tree.. each wireless stick should be able to handle up to 7 fixtures. and also I forgot to mention, I use to plug the wireless stick into a dmx cable up to the fixture, so just in case something went wrong, I could access the stick without lowering the rig. Not sure if you understood what I'm texting there.. If I have time this week, I'll try and shoot a quick video for you
Yes, your explanation makes perfect sense!
Great sounding mix!! Speakers sound killer. Great job Bart and Stacy!
Thanks again for the opportunity Rick! We are happy to have them and showing everyone what they can do!
This video helped us understand the versatility of the PreSonus CDL 10Ps and the kind of commitment that The Sound Couple makes to achieve the maximum tuning of the equipment. Thanks for allowing us to tag along to this gig. As usual, we tip our hats for a great learning experience. I especially appreciated allowing us to view the troubleshooting segment at the end of the video.
Thanks Dean! This concludes our CDL Gig Log Series....they are now a part of arsenal and we will be used throughout our future videos (remember, the future is all relative in the Sound Couple's world)!
@@thesoundcoupleHello I’m wondering where did you get your Stand that you guys put your Rack Mixer on. What is the brand and the size? My dad and I are looking for one to put our portable x32 rack mixer on.
@@CodyFoley-x3o Here is a link to a similar, but they are currently unavailable! www.amazon.com/dp/B097Q8Z9XV/?coliid=I3HHGUYJB2D8YC&colid=2NLB7HPLXSQ32&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
@@thesoundcouple hey sound couple when are you guys posting another video
@@CodyFoley-x3o Thanks for checking in! We have another one in the works after taking a little break!
Thank u Bart and Stacy! Your vids have a lot of advices! I have a small business in Portugal since 2016, last year investment was 2x IP3000 Turbosound, and its great for indoor gigs! My gf helps me a lot in the events too! Its something amazing we can make something we love with someone we love too. Keep up SoundCouple!
Thank you for sharing! We are looking forward to sharing many more gigs!
Stacy says: a few decades ago I was once the girlfriend too helping out! ☺️
Having come from Mackie speakers, the CDL10P has less mid range boost than they did! I found that refreshing, and far easier to dial in.
My rig is a Nissan NV200 with 6x4 box trailer! Size is always a factor!
Over the years, we seem to be able to fit more and more!
You could scan the manual and put on the PC / phone. Additionally, put the basic instructions on the back of the light fixture itself.
Great ideas...thank you!
Another great The SC show.
Bart, I think I understand the Pre1/Pre2 you were talking about when ringing out the monitors. The confusion for me is that not all of the Aux sends have GEQ available. I I am using Aux 10 output for a monitor, there is no GEQ(32 band) EQ available.
Thank you and Stacy for sharing what you two do!
Excellent point....yeah, that's a dilemma. If any of the mixes are in-ears, you may be able to get by on those or if you have a monitor with some eq'ing built into it, or an accommodating musician that just needs to hear themselves a bit or just an instrument with light vocals. Otherwise, you are probably looking at a dedicated monitor console. We aren't opposed to a dedicated console, but we have learned to adopt and appreciate the speed and simplicity of managing a single console.
Miss you friends! Love all of the content! It’s my Niche! 😊
Thank you! We have more in the works!
Hello Bart and Stacy,
Just wanting to let you know
1) Point on big sounding drums taken.
2) Even after all the compression and other digital crap your video gets exposed to, it still sounded very good.
Keep up the good work!!
Thank you! It does come up a bit in comments or even at the gig...why are you mic'ing the drums? There are exceptions and variations...but in general, our approach is to mic the drums.
@thesoundcouple Hey, keep on mic'ing the drums! Because I really do like it.
There is a point in the video where you first hear the unamplified drum and where you start to increase the volume of the PA. That was the moment where your comment really locked in for me: Big stadium drums everywhere which add so many levels of experiencing the music to the performance.
Added to the already known fact that low end adds to really experiencing the performance. The guys of Churchfront did a video on that a while ago.
About that compression and such:
You do know I meant TH-cam's compression and digital crap?
@@Richard1977 Hi Richard - TH-cam is definitely a double edge sword. With the type of content we produce, they keep pushing the boundaries in making it very challenging for us to sustain or provide the type of content we would really like to do. We are constantly working around their restrictions in either omitting, taking a hit, or compromising the content. We realize that a lot of this is even out of their control, but there is a lot that could be improved for all.
@thesoundcouple Not wanting to be the negative guy in the comment section, but in the end it all comes down to money and extracting every last cent possible by certain parties and caring more about that than content.
In the end that will lead to dumb, contentless content that is only about likes and creating income for TH-cam thru commercials.
Sometimes I wonder if we already haven't reached that last point (on commercials) because when I cast your video on my TV I get twice as many commercials as when I watch on my phone.
I use similar wireless DMX units made by Chinly. This past weekend I was running sound for a band at an event. There was also a DJ setup with his own rig as he was MC as well. As soon as I walked in I saw his flashing green lights...he had the same units I did. Mine change frequencies by inserting a pen or similar object into a small hole and pressing a button. The color of the LED light changes to denote which frequency you're on. Yours might be similar.
Thanks for sharing...that is exactly how ours work too. Your story reminds us of the same issue we had at a gig, but they changed theirs so we didn't need to touch ours.
Overall perfect sound, in my opinion. Awesome inspiration
We're doing our job then! Appreciate the comment!
Great content as always! I have similair experiences with the wireless DMX. If there is a lot of interference it can make it very annoying. Sometimes event line of sight can make a difference.
Yes, we have noticed that too. What's interesting though, is that they work 99.5% of the time, so we can't complain, but it does throw us off when they don't work!
If you are using the donner dmx wifi sticks , heres a tip. From main dmx box come out with a 3 ft dmx cable and connect the transmitter to that. Also plug in transmitter first to get the red flashing light, then you can start connecting the 1 receivers per tree and daisy chain the other lights on the tree. So if you are running two tri pods with lighting you would only be using two receivers. As always great vid.
@@FeedbackEntertainment Thank you for your comment!
把小推車加裝電池 可以省好多力氣 ，做這行 太辛苦了 你們真是天造地設的一對 （不知英文能否精準翻譯出我對二位的敬意😊）
你做得很好！ 感謝您的觀看和評論...我們非常感謝！
Many Thanks for your vidéos ! Cheers from France 🇫🇷
Glad you like them! Merci beaucoup!
Loving your videos, any new videos in the pipeline?
Yes! We are taking a little break from content creation (not from gigs), but we have more coming! Thanks for checking in!
My suggestion (with hindsight)
Scan or download all the manuals to a Google Drive or similar so you can always get to the manuals wherever you are.
If you only have a small manual, just take photos of the configuration pages and upload those.
Very good advice. Thanks!
The bass drum for the trapset our jazz ensemble uses, has no port in it! It's not an easy bass drum to mic! Have both the Shure bass drum mic (same model as yours) and an Avantone bass drum mic. The Avantone seems to work better for no port on the kick.
Haven't heard of Avantone...sounded expensive but they are not!
Kelly-Shu mounting system is an option for the bass drum, (for mounting a bass frequency mic) if there’s no port hole. But there might be a slight issue getting the xlr cable through the air vent hole. Idk, just a thought. But that’s also on the drummer’s part to decide. IMO, one mic for the bass drum is plenty. Especially for small-to-medium sized indoor venues. Condenser mics have a purpose and place of use, but they can sometimes also create a challenge. Great vid and teamwork as always!
Talking about muscle memory, do you all get massages or yoga or something to stay in top shape. Bart talked about the back at 11:00. I wondered about this while you all were loading the van. Maybe with one to three gigs per month, you have lots of down time to rejuvanate. (sp.) You might call this personal maintenance as compared to your van maintenance series earlier. How you you keep the back and legs in top shape?
Yes on the lift and twist (11:00) - lifting a pencil or sheet of paper can throw the back out if done incorrectly!
More questions and comments on ergonomics that equipment - hmmm???
Such a tight travel space from van to venue---it sucks. Now you need slip resistant footwear (for the kitchen.) The new speakers should great. Thanks.
Stacy and I are fortunate to be feeling good physically. We do work out daily and try to maintain good fitness!
Another amazing video guys. 👌👌👌. Bart what app are you using for sound loudness monitor? Pls.
Thank you! The app we use for dB reading is called "Decibel Meter". We have compared it our dB meter and we have confirmed it's accurate.
Band is nice!
Aren't they? It was a really fun night....minus the load-in!
Love the video as usual, love getting a notification to say you guys have a new vid up! I would love a video on you really digging into eqing the room. For example, and boomy room. Also, with the cdl10p, do you think this setup, 2 subs and 2 of the cdl10, would cover a crowd of 250 people I doors? Thanks!
Thanks for the comment! Room coverage is so subjective and depends on your application and requirements. For example, for room coverage, are you providing a paid concert experience where every seat needs clear audio at X dB, or is it a multi-purpose event where if some of those 250 people could want to hear the band better so they move closer? These are completely two different requirements that the same 250 people could be attending. We have literally hundreds of videos showing what we do with ours that can hopefully help with your own conclusions! We have done several gigs with ours with 250 people, but we could change our approaches depending on what those 250 people were there for and what type of an event it was.
Hey Bart, When I got into the @02:12 marker on the video, I noticed your oil pressure is below 20 PSI at idle. It seems a little low and concerning. I just wanted to point that out to you.
Good catch! The truck was actually off and the gauges don't return to a resting position.
Thank you for your videos i m a fan and live in France
Thank you for watching all the way from France! We do appreciate it!
HIIII YOU'RE BACK!!! IT WAS GREAT HOW YOU SET UP THE NEW SPEAKERS THE SOUND WAS IMPECCABLE COULD YOU MAKE AN AUDIO OUTPUT RING IN THE RECORDING SO THAT IT SOUNDS AS IT IS HEARD FROM THEM?? ON AN AUX?
Thank you for watching! We have featured recordings on several videos in the past. However, for this one, our focus was capturing the sound of the speakers in the room. None of this can be perfect, but at least it provides a sense of where things are at.
what possessed sennheiser to make the front of the 901 so damn wide? lol Used to have one, but have since ditched it in favour of the Shure SM91, and more recently the SE BL8, which is spectacular as a single mic solution. The 91 always needed an outside mic in conjunction.
I'm rather interested on what you've got going on with that beta 52... I've never felt I needed to cut any top end out of that mic, in any genre... and most times still wanted fairly significant boosts in the top end
If you look at the frequency response of a Beta 52, there is a significant bump in the 4-6k which is exactly what I backed off. We have an EV 868 which probably would have been a good choice here too as it's flatter. Our 901 we use mostly for convenience, and it sounds good too once you get it dialed in.
@@thesoundcouple yeah, I'm familiar with the B52 boost, but I still always find myself typically boosting more most of the time. I wonder if there's something in the presonus that's actually giving you more attack yet, like the gate potentially? I'm not suggesting you shouldn't have cut it. based off of what the camera audio picked up, it absolutely needed cut. I'm just curious why you and I have such different experiences with the same microphone...
@@dustinthiessen I am thinking it has more to do with the tuning, the size of the drum and the beater. We didn't show it in this video, but with permission, I like to down with an unfamiliar kit and hear it acoustically so I know what I am dealing with.
hi, thank you for your videos! it inspires me a lot. im also a starting sound guy from the philippines. May i ask
what is your monitor speakers? they look slim and easy to transport.
Thank you
Thanks for the question! Those are our PreSonus 328ai's cabinets. Unfortunately, PreSonus discontinued this model. They are nice and slim, but not extremely portable. They are a bit heavy compared to some more current offerings, but they are quite reliable and sound very good.
It hurts me to see such a gig for the band and you guys. I've been there loads of times, away from home for 10 to 12 hours for some money but nothing else in return.
The client was very happy!
hello! I spoke to specialists from presonus in Brazil but I don't think they are that specialist... could you answer my question about the StudioLive 32R PreSonus Rack Mixer? The rack has 24 preamplifiers, and can be connected to another similar one and double the number of channels. However, does the software already have 48 native channels in it, being able to duplicate channels or does it only open the other channels when another 32R is connected to it? I would like to duplicate all the channels, using just one rack and have the entire band duplicated to make the monitor, like in the past on the Yamaha LS9. and I also wanted to know what the minimum latency is that it can be connected to a computer. I was thinking about using it with the waves sound grid, with external puglins. I follow your channel from time to time and I admire you so much! good gigs!
You have a lot going on! If you are not familiar with the StudioLive Facebook groups, we would highly encourage you to check them out because there the groups are very active with users doing all sorts of configurations. To answer your basic questions, the SL mixers are limited to 32 XLR/analog and 64 AVB/USB channels...period. You can't add mixers to expand channel counts.
Yup me again…how was the transition/adjustment from actual tactile faders to touchscreen/Ipen?
Getting to the point where I need to pick what route I’m gunna go. Tablet/rack mixer or digital counsel.
I know dragging my analog desk and outboard rack just isn’t worth it.
Great video new rig sounds good
What a pain in a…. Room not very inviting as how it was setup… pillar right in the view of the band
We made a video a couple years ago on this very topic...check it out! th-cam.com/video/ftzx_EsBLuQ/w-d-xo.html
As always thank you for sharing. When I lived in Minnesota, that used to be my favorite restaurant, Pinstripes. And I literally lived 5 min walk away from that place.
Your information is always useful. I have a question. How do you guys get leads for these events? Do people just know you or you have good advertising strategies?
Great catch! Fun place, not so fun load in/out!
To answer your question, we do no advertising. All of our gigs are through word of mouth and majority are booked directly through the bands, which is what happened in this case.
@@thesoundcouple Thanks for the info. I always love your work and setups. It makes things so much easier and less tedious. I am taking inspiration.
Hi Bart thx for the videos, but on these video logs, the snares sound to harsh 😫
Hmmm...not sure what to say but noted and appreciate the feedback.
Hello Bart, I understand what you are saying about the EQ in the monitors vs mains but in the text you mention Pre 1 & Pre 2 settings..Can you elaborate on that? What does Pre 1 & Pre 2 mean specific? Can't recall I ever saw a setting called that in the Presonus mixers.
See page 8 of the UC Surface manual: pae-web.presonusmusic.com/downloads/products/pdf/UC_Surface_ReferenceManual_V2_EN_18022022.pdf
@@thesoundcouple Thx Bart. Very nice feature that I didn't know.
Cool beans, Bart and Stacey.
Curious what you use for the video camera that looks like it's mounted on your chest? Like during load-in/out?
Too funny- that was just the iPhone being carried along- no fancy get up!
My crossover stopped working a bit ago and was thinking of buying another but having watched your videos where you dont use a separate crossover I'm thinking why do I need one. Why dont you guys use one? Loads of people say you should have a separate crossover and even sound engineers frown at me for saying anything else! Haha 😂
We don't use one because our speakers can do it through their DSP. We can set crossover point on subs and our mains have a high pass filter...what else do we need to do?
When you refer to "two box mode vs one box mode" with regard to the midrange, is that just the setting on the cabinets? You are still using one box but thinking of setting it in two box to alleviate electronically the boosted upper mids that you don't care for. Do I have that right?
You are correct...the CDL10P's have a "Mode" setting. 1 box through 6 box mode. These are presets are what PreSonus recommends based onn how many you are using in your array.
DBX drive rack Will straighten that out
We try to keep the signal chain simple...but don't disagree that these tools could help when implemented effectively.
@@thesoundcouple absolutely the driverack does help get the room just right and it’s virtually set and forget
@@thesoundcouple th-cam.com/video/9E5m-VYvoa0/w-d-xo.html
Waves also make a rack mount router/bluetooth as well ,it’s about $600 🇺🇸
Paid by the mile for Load-in distance?! WOW!! That is a long distance. Dead serious... Long AND Winding road.
As we have mentioned in the past, we don't typically do walk throughs or in some cases, we aren't provided a lot of details. To offset this we try to give us plenty of time and have a good system to transport gear and have all of the gear we would need with us. This approach doesn't work for all types of gigs, but when we can, this ends up saving us time overall that a gig can consume.
U guys r awesome, big fan keep making videos!!!
Thank you! More coming!
How close are you to ,Crawfordsville, IN ????
Not very! We are located in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota.
it is so easy no need to read manual thier is a small hole in transmitter and reaciever i believe it is near at indicator lights you need a needle to push in the switch inside and match the color. remember not to insert the transmitter yet to artnet device
The other important note to make is not to get confused by the operational color states versus configuring the frequency itself.
100 thumbs up for sure love your set up
Thanks 👍
Yeah Bart don’t like midrange much myself
Great sound.
How do you manage the sound monitor so it doesn't leak to the audience?
This cannot be completely avoided. Our approach is to think of the stage as part of our mix and not as separate entities...we don't try to mix over the stage, but instead, mix with it. So in the case of stage vocal monitor, we will take whatever is coming off that and mix our FOH with it....for example, we may end up slightly cutting some lows on a vocal because it's coming off woofy sounding from the stage. Of course, the bigger your stage/room, the more separated they become. This is why we love using a tablet for mixing since it allows us the freedom to hear and adjust from several angles....not just perched at some fixed point out front.
@@thesoundcouple thank you for the answer.
Greetings fr Indonesia
Great job, the place is a horror to work in.
On TH-cam it sounded very good.
Great musical group too, very beautiful voices.
Thank you...we appreciate your comments and watching the videos!
Hello SC/Bart and Stacy. I am in the West Metro and would like to contact you all. What’s best?
Hi! You can send us an e-mail: soundcouple@comcast.net
You can roll off from 60hz down anyway Bart you really can’t hear it unless you have excellent hearing even the top end above 11k 🤘🇦🇺
What tablet are you using to mix with? Need to update my iPad but not sure to go with an iPad or something different
We mix with an iPad Pro. It's definitely a premium tablet and provides us with some additionally functionality. However, as a straight mixing device, we also have an Amazon Fire tablet which really works well at a fraction of the price.
Hey, I have a presonus 16.4.2 and a 24.4.2
I use the UC Surface app, but I notice something.
you can see on the iPad the frequency of every channel while equalazing it, how can i see it? Is this a setting? A special feature for your mixer? Please awnser 🙏, i really need this feature
Because I have to use a different app to see the frequency, thank you
In particoulari saw this feature appearing at 17:28
Hmmmm...sorry, we are not sure. We have only the Series 3 mixers, so not sure how UC Surface works on previous versions of the mixer.
Does anyone know what the name of the folding rack stand that this man uses? Thank you!
We have this Amazon link to a similar table, but they are unavailable...hopefully this can still help: www.amazon.com/dp/B097Q8Z9XV/?coliid=I3HHGUYJB2D8YC&colid=2NLB7HPLXSQ32&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
@@thesoundcouple excellent thank you very much! keep making videos greetings from Mexico
Sorry one more question can you mix a cdl 10 & 12 on each side?
They are different sized speakers, so they will not stack. Other than that, there is nothing stopping you, but I would be cautious putting them next to each other as you will likely experience considerable comb filtering.
When are you going to come into the real world and get a 8 foot loading ramp for the van ?? I use mine for every show and my 24 yearold helper loves it . I will be 69 on June 28th and have ramps or lift gates on all of my trucks , vans and trailers ...I got mine off of eBay ..
LOL! I guess we are going to remain in fantasy land...our subs are the only piece of gear on wheels...they are 50lbs lift per person which is manageable. I guess just a difference in perspective...if we had more caster road cases, sure, but we purposely moved away from using those.
@@thesoundcoupleWell, your way of handling gear wouldn't also be my way.
I can see why you do it the way you do and it makes for a lot of gear in a small van. But it is cumbersome and a lot of handling and lifting. It even makes me think that your load in and out could be much quicker.
I am more the road case (flightcase in the Netherlands/Europe) -guy as it is a standard way of working here. A ramp on a small van and lift gate on a truck are also part of that.
It's also pretty commen overhere to pack everything n cases whenever/wherever possible.
So in that perspective you will probably understand that I purchased two new cable cases last week.
what is the sub pole you were using? JBL Gas lift?
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I'm surprised you didn't run some pink noise and TRA those puppies at the venue first since they were new to you.
You are correct...that's a good point. I guess we have phased this out as our process as our opportunities to do this are so unpredictable. People who don't understand what it is you are doing tend to get very annoyed if you are doing this in a room.
@@thesoundcouple Oh how well I KNOW you can't do it in a room with patrons! It's only when we have an event where there is a DOOR OPENS time that we can do it - before the crowd. Just like ringing out the monitors - can be annoying to people in the room. At least they are pointed away from them!
Set once and forget gear that fails after having worked flawlessly for years is indeed a nightmare because who the hell remembers how to operate it? That's actually one of my concerns setting up my system, and as a result, I'm simplifying to the max 😂. There's many cheap toys here in China for PA, I don't mean that in a bad way, but it's easy to overcomplicate a setup. I won't touch DMX until there's an affordable automated solution. I prefer to hire a light operator with gear 🤣
Picking your battles is definitely part of how you design and implement your systems. What's important to you, may not necessarily resonate with someone else, but sharing ideas is what we are here to do and comments really help!
That's a trifecta for sure !!! OMG... I hate wedding Halls!!!
We have to learn to accept them as we follow the gigs!
I like it nice sound 👍🇷🇼 African Rwanda Kigali
Thanks!
it's an ancient truth: wireless for mobility, wires for reliability.
And I say that as someone now retired from a career working with RF.
That's sound advice!
Goodness gracious! That load in/out sucks! 🤣
It wasn't awesome...that's for sure! The staff was nice and allowed us to do our thing which definitely helps.
❤❤🌹
I can't give away all my secrets? Really, what Seacrests? Knowledge that available online. Lol.
TH-cam is technically online, so that makes us online too....so you are absolutely right! Thanks!
I wanted to see what Stacy’s tee shirt said.
Here you go! Thanks for catching the humor! a.co/d/7unHQ0p
@thesoundcouple The German brand HK Audio used to have shirts with almost the same text as a promotional item somewhere halfway the 2000s.
The last sentence on the "other requests" was a bit different tho.
It was: And no, you can't borrow my Sharpie.
I should still have one of those...
As it was copyright free text, it got used for company branded shirts for my buddies company.
And believe it or not, those shirts got so popular that techs from other companies started wearing them. Best almost free (around $5 per shirt back then) advertisement he got as his company was getting linked with events we never even heard of!
Those were the days...
It sounds so muddy
Interesting...
I hate those rediculious load ins. Most folks have no clue what it takes to have a band. Oh yeah just throw the band over there. Theres one plug, thats enough right? It should be alright we do it all the time ...😵💫🥴
We picked the wrong instrument!