Craps Strategy Banned from Casinos
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I tried this once at a table. The dagger stare I got from the dealer 😂😂 played for a few hours, and I made sure to tip well.
It would definitely depend. One thing I do different is whenever I get a Don't Come on a 4 or 10, I don't place bet I just go max odds on it taking the chance to help compensate for the 11's you might hit while in the Don't Come box. On a practice online run it worked really well this way.
Very very very interesting, I’m going to 4:53 have to play it out on the old kitchen table 1st though. :-) Jeremy, I bet on the Browns last week and I have no idea why I did because you should never bet on my home team. I didn’t think they would win, and I thought, the point spread was thin. When I when will I ever learned to just stick to dice and blackjack lol.
I've watched 36 full press play and explain this. Ive played with this and won when table is choppy. I bought in for $1200 and played at $60 bet level. Only thing i do differently is on dont come 4/10 is place the 4/10 for $50 and add a $10 hardway. You still have 60 both in front of and behind the 4/10 hoping for the hard way to increase winning potential.
same strategy but place 456 with $15, 20, 24 and win a little no matter what happens. Great video!
You can play it with a friend if you want on a bubble machine where you share a set of dice. One of you plays the don'ts and the other plays lightside. You both rack up player rewards decently too.
I never thought about using bubble machines to rack up comps. Could you just do straight up one person only bets pass line and the other person only bets don't pass, and then split whatever you end up with at the end? Obv there's still the house edge on the bar 12 but is this a good strategy for comps? Is there a more efficient way?
@dakotahernandez9511 well many bubble machines don’t allow for comps, or it earns super slow rate
@@ColorUp makes sense. i imagine it's probably the same deal with "bubble roulette" or whatever it's called: they probably don't want one person to bet all red and another person to bet all black
This was Dax’s system from 36 full press. I miss that guy but I could never make his system work for me. He did well with it.
@@dakotahernandez9511 Casino in our area caught on to this, no you cannot earn points anymore on bubble craps, they covered up the card slots.
Nice presentation
Interesting one to bring back up. Should get some comments from the new players. Great show man!
Yep, gotta roll the classics out every few years for the newbies
I did a similar strategy on bubble craps, $20 in $1 bets, played $1 hard ways, cashed out $57... Was fun just playing singles
hedge DC bet, add $2 yo (eleven) . Or team up with a second player doing the place bets, and use players cards. This is old patrick hedge system detailed in his books. Someone pointed out $2 horn bet is also good play on second DC
Would it be feasible to also place a small bet on the Horn to cover the odds on the 11? Cant remember the Horn payouts but thinks its like 15:2
John Patrick wrote about the system back in his Advanced Craps book in the 70s. With the new tables you can also "hop" or place the five on the second role as a hedge bet. You must have your place bets "working" on the new come out roll. P.S. At $15 on the Don't pass & Don't come bet the 11 for $1.00.
I'm going to try this. I'll mix in a little horn and some hop bets too. Hard ways also.
That's the variance that the casino hopes for and also works against your edge and long term earnings but also has the potential to reward you with lucky wins. It's fine to do and also will keep you from getting glares from the pit for wasting time and being a grinder. It does break the strategy but can be fun if you want to keep it friendly with the casino by placing two-way horns for a nickel once you're established with a 3 point blender. I see no problem with this and the dealers will appreciate the action.
I've been using this system since 2015. Win big if the hop, yo & horn bets protect your frontline bets. If played right the only number that can hurt you is the don't pass 7. Figure the rest out 😂😂😂
A small adjustment I would make is hedging the DC bet with a $2 horn bet.
what if you place a 30 dollar bet on the pass line after the point to cover the don't pass from the point made at anytime
Cool strategy I will definitely try in Laughlin going for Halloween quick question do you place or buy the point or does it matter? Is there a name for this strategy? Love your videos I will try any strategy just for kicks
Called 3 point blender. If the vig is collected upfront, just place bet. If big is collected on win only, buy the 4/10.
This is not bad. I like the Patrick System more. Pass + Don't Pass on come out roll. Then beef up don't pass odds to hedge. I will do place bets on my DC numbers too. However, I would do $25 DC and $18 or $20 place because I beat the 7 on the DC.
It isn't exactly the same, but couldn't you also place/buy the sister number once the second don't is established? Then you at least have the protection against Big Red, and you have win opportunities with the sister numbers.
The bubble craps i played on didnt allow a place bet on the dont pass but did allow a place bet on the dont come
House always wins in the long run, key is never give them a long run!!! know when to leave... best advice you're gonna get!
Yep hit the streak and get out .
Truth. Walk with some winnings and do something else.
"Quit while you're ahead."
In this kind of grind strategy, where there were long rolls, I'm actually curious how the three point don't (three point dolly) might do. Long term the three point don't is the lowest house edge strategy, of course you have to lay a lot of don't odds which folks don't like to do.
Just play a 3-point Don't with no odds. Each number you put up is favored to win and odds long term are neither favored to win or favored to lose, regardless of light side or dark side.
Yeah I do something similar. Its like the Iron Cross, but more symmetrical. I bet Dont Pass, then once the point is established I make place bets on the point and odds on the Dont Pass. The Point's place payout should exceed the initial Dont Pass. The rest of the line should have normal place bets. The odds payout should exceed the non-place bets initial moneys. In this way, if a seven is rolled, you will make a little bit of money. If the Point is rolled, you make a little bit of money. 2, 3, 11, 12 do nothing unless you play the field. Else you make money off the non-point place bets.
Ideally the point will be a 4 or 10, which affords the most opportunities to make money off the non-point place bets. The Hard 4 and 10 can help amplify your point winnings, but only play those with casino money. High rollers can set up massive boards that bring in $70 to $100 per roll. Then use the constant drip of casino money to bet on the Horn for a massive pay out. As with any Dont Pass rolls, the initial roll can lead to some explosive losses, and recouping those loses takes a long time.
I thought I was the only one who did this. on the come out I hop the reds and bet on the 11 to cover my dont pass. I use the field once a point is established and I use profits from place bets to bet the hard ways and the horn.
I seen a similar play using this. The only difference is: 4/10 don't $30, making a place/buy bet $20, hits ($36/$39), 7 profit $9/$10 (vig paid upfront), 5/9 don't $30, place bet $25. Hits $35, 7 rolls profit $5. 6/8 on the don't, push on the 7 roll, or win $5. It's still a grinder, but with a little bit better odds on making money with any rolled number.
This strategy is similar to the "bet wrong & place the numbers" strategy in Mike Goodmans Your Best Bet book.
Instead of placing a win bet on your don’t comes on the come out roll I take the wins off or turn them off on the come out so if the 7 hits u either brake even if only 1 dc or right back where u we’re if 2 dcs hit
Interesting... Theoretically, how would it work if you played this strategy, but with the variant of maxing odds on your DP & DC bets and then covering that with place bets equal to the amount you have at risk for each number? I realize that you'd have a lot on the table at once, but if you have the bankroll for it, wouldn't that approach further reduce house edge?
I prefer this tactic, but most casinos hate it, and they will rate you with lousy comp if you really like that service. I don't use this strategy in this method but rather cover my initial bets with hopping or lay bets on any don't pass and don't come bets. Always expect a third of all rolls to be 7, 11, or craps, so covering initial bets with a hopping 11, 12, or 2 and have a lay bet will either reduce your loss, break even, or give you an unexpected windfall.
Expected - definitely, you will roll horns and sevens - 12 of the 36 rolls
Not throwing away but you need to hedge your bets on occasion. If a shooter misses and the dice pass twice without a 7 or 11, place a bet to protect yourself. Nothing too crazy... Same with a snake eyes and 7/11 on a don't come bet. You know yourself best and how the table is rolling.
Saw another video on this recently, don't remember which channel though.
am gonna play this strategy today and hope I win.
I've heard of a "Japanese Businessman" that did this. ;)
Wasn't the Blender a 36 Fullpress strategy? Does anyone know whatever happened to him?
Yes, it was his, and no, don’t know what happened to him.
Cool strategy.
Tried this with slight changes ... 6 & 8 place for 30, (others, (4,5,9 & 10) place for $25 to guarantee $5.00 minimum win)
If you buy the 4,5,9 or 10 you win more money on the bubble machines. On a table just buy the 4 and 10.
When did this get banned? I just played this in Vegas earlier this year! 36 Full Press put this out a while ago, back when I first got into the game.
Just some casinos do not allow, not banned everywhere. Every casino should happily make money off this strategy
I stay away from tables that don't offer at least 10x odds. At those tables, rarely do I see players take advantage of this especially the dice influencers. People hate paying taxes, but craps players love paying them. My grind is minimum bet on pass and 5x odds, after hits 6x,8x,10x. Then double pass, 6x,8x,10x etc. Simple with very low house edge,and if you are a good controlled shooter, you will crush the game.
Love your videos, wondering if you ever get tired of making them?
At times over the years I have. But mostly love making them
Whoa, shoutout to Wendover. My home casinos!
Me as well. Just got back from there. Got gamble somewhere and I can’t in Utah.
I think hedging would help keeping you from being wiped-out.
You should add field bets to this strategy
I play this all the time bubble craps especially when they have it make 300 points get $75 free play or 1000-point weekends for $250 free play. You can grind it out for hours sometimes I'm siting there 2- 3 hrs It does get boring after awhile. But for a small bankroll usually around $100 you can do it only betting $2-$3 numbers i keep on covering them DCB after hit one until 7 out granted only picking up a small amount but making those comp points that's the key...
Comps don't pay on roulette machine or bubble craps. Used to though.
@@maxkelter3561 I should have said players points not "comp" points but here in NY they are like the same thing. The VLT especially at aqueduct and jakes on long island there's no real comps to get, I don't play this system at all unless I'm going for the point bonuses to grind it out like they have going at jakes this month on the weekends. That's why going to AC or Foxwoods is still the best way to go enjoy playing at real tables but that over 2hr ride is killer to get there.
@@maxkelter3561 Depends on the casino you visit. They pay 1 point for each $12 you play at Durango Casino in Vegas. I play there last night.
Seems like with this strat start your initial roll on the pass line and then do the don’t come bets. But the biggest problem is that you are completely depending on not rolling a 7 on those initial rolls for every one of them. That hurts.
Thanks for another great video……..on a side note how about that field goal! My Son was at that game the stadium went wild!
That was awesome! Wish it didn’t come down to that, but I’ll take it.
Craps is like a roller coaster. Win alot or lose alot. If you play safe you can't afford to be at the table!
You can make a don't pass and place bet on Aruze craps machines
I’m probably dumb for asking this…but why not place bet to match your point right from the start? That way it’s not exposed while you build the other 2 don’t comes ?
Because it acts as a hedge for your don't come
Does the boxperson or pit boss tell you or do they kick you out ,ban you?
just like blackjack, they can ban you for any strategies that eliminate house profit in any game, from craps, blackjack, baccarat, roulette or any wheel game (sitting there and measuring outcomes to see if any is more likely, due to weight differences, imperfections with the machine), anything.. it should be illegal for casinos to ban you for playing well, but oh well.
played this strategy today and in the hole because I forgot how to play it.
played it yesterday and did not work for me. Played 6,7,8 with dont pass the bar bet and I recovered from my lost playing this banned from casino strategy.
25:21 noted
Holy sh!t... I actually came up with this same strategy on my own using a simulator without realizing the strat already existed and was "banned". 😂 Didn't have much success, but my sample size was fairly small. Do you know if it works with online casinos? Might be worth grinding if you can do it from your couch.
I don’t play online so have no answer.
Online also will not allow you to be behind and in front of the same number. Same as bubble craps machine or roll to win.
@@Football0247 good to know
Hey Jeremy, I heard another weird thing about Wendover. I heard that you can't set the dice at the Peppermill in Wendover. So this strategy being banned in Wendover, kind of makes sense.
Say, Jeremy, I was recently in your neck of the woods. I played craps at the Grand Sierra Resort this past Wednesday. Won $365. Also won $593 at the Nugget the previous day, when someone else was shooting, and the dealer was threatening to ban him from shooting because he was setting the dice, and sometimes the dice would bounce out of bounds. Maybe this dealer came over from Wendover. LOL
Yeah, couple of wendover casinos have signs that say "no dice setting" I think its a function of trying to speed up the game, because they still allow dice setters if they are fast
I played for the first time on a cruise to the Bahamas. I rolled 13-14 straight times never hitting the point my first two rolls and they eventually just took the dice and gave it to the next players. Made them guys hella bank too 😂😂😂
You said at the beginning that this strategy doesn’t work on electronic or bubble Craps machines, why is that? Do they not allow place bets on DC bets?
Most I’m aware of do not allow
Depends on the casino. Ii have been playing this strategy at varies Casino in Vegas. I played at the new Durango Casino last night. They give 1 comp point for every $12 you play. It was actually posted at each bubble Crap machine.
You can place the point on bubble craps at my casino though. So they don't care lol!
I think it’s more a programming issue than not allowing. At machines it’s been hit or miss for me whether you can place against a dont bet.
Wouldn’t you hop the sevens for the come out roll?
I wouldn't, but you could
Why not instead of doing the last DC first and then place the last two DC's, place each DC as they come out?
I tried something like this before, I ended up leaving the don't, since I have the best of it after a # is established., If you're doing this hedge, you might as well play the pass line with the don't.
We’ll pass and don’t is a wash, at least this way if the place bet can win more.
Hey brotha nice video
Thx, but no way you watched yet. Appreciate the early comments though!
I've played this strat before not banned at soaring eagle Mt pleasant Michigan but my comps were lowered
Where is this banned at? Haven't heard of any Vegas casinos banning it.
I’ve only heard reports of wendover NV, of course they don’t “allow dice setting” either so….no reasonable casino would not take this or any action.
@@ColorUplol not allowing dice setting is ridiculous. I've watched your videos when you played live rolls against a "professional" dice setter and if I remember correctly you actually came out on top.
will this work with bubble craps?
It will not. The machine disallows you to bet in front and behind the same number. If you want to try anything like this on bubble craps you need to feed the don't come. Wherever the bet goes you can place a partial amount of the same wager on the hard ways to hedge. A little bit riskier but hit a few hard ways and leave 😂
The massive holes are the 7 & 11 on the come out.
That maybe true with dice, but in the game of baccarat I have created a system that give us a 5.8% edge over the casino.
Wellllllll what is it ???? I’m all ears!!!
Even 0.8% positive edge is impossible, not to mention 5.8%.
One of the casinos I play at doesn't allow this UNLESS one bet is at least a unit larger than the opposing bet. They also don't allow a doey/don't bet.
Yeah, that is weird. What casino?
@@ColorUp Harrah's Rincon in SoCal
I have been dealing craps for decades. Although, there is some useful information here, i believe the strategy is not good.
Yes, some dealers will get upset because this is stroking. But you will also upset other gamblers and ,most importantly, the shooter.
What's your favorite strategies?
Will you still be making the elf vids in your other channel
No, the elf is retired
ok i hope you have a great DAY@@ColorUp
The casino would love to see this one coming. You can't win enough on your piddly place bet profits to cover the losses on the come out 7 or 11. Run this through Win Craps and see how much of a money burner this is.
to be fair...Run any Strat thru wincraps and they all burn money
What is Win Craps?
@@erichchan3 it’s a free windows software that you can set up to run strategies and get data
@@erichchan3 It's a craps simulator that will let you simulate millions of hands in just a few seconds. It will tell you the loss rate percentage of any strategy you program it to follow. There are no winning strategies. They don't exist.
i see that you dont play odds, is that part of the strategy or are you doing it to make it easier for less experienced people to leaern the game?
Odds is an additional and optional bet. See my other videos on the subject.
To make this less of a grind, place less so that you win on a number when it rolls or if red comes. The payout odds don’t allow this on the 6/8 unless you’re playing a base bet much higher than $30, but you could place the 5/9 for $25 (wins $5 either side) and buy the 4/10 for $20 (wins $10 either side minus $1 vig).
El Toro played it out with $600 base dont bets and still didn’t place less than $600 to guarantee wins, e.g. $500 on 5/9 (wins $100 either side) or $400 buy on 4/10 (wins $200 minus vig). At $600 level you could place $558 on 6/8 (wins $42 or $51).
I thought the banned strategy was the doey don’t. Used purely to avoid the 7 or 11 in come out - only the casino can win in the come out on a 12 rolling but some casinos still won’t allow it. No box person can cogently say why that is.
Would be less of grind yes, but opening up to more loses when 7 shots and losing the place bets.
This is not allowed at some casinos for same reason doey dont is not…oh wait…there is no reason ha
@@ColorUp you don't lose the place bets.
When red comes, the bet behind the number more than covers the place bet.
At low base bet it is a wash only on the 6/8 when the 7 is rolled. 5/9 and 4/10 win either way.
6/8 bet behind, place for $30 - win $5 on 6/8 ($35-$30 bet behind), OR even $ on 7 (Lose $30 6/8, win $30 behind)
5/9 bet behind, place for $25 - win $5 on 5/9 ($35-$30 bet behind), OR win $5 on 7 (Lose $25 7/9, win $30 behind)
4/10 bet behind, buy for $20 - win $9 on 4/10 ($39-$30 bet behind), OR win $9 on 7 (Lose $20+1 7/9, win $30 behind)
I didn't understand your comment about opening up more losses when 7 comes and losing the place bets. You don't lose the place bets.
The only reasonable reasons I can think of:
1. It’s annoying to deal, so the pit boss says no for employee morale reasons.
2. They don’t want you getting comped for it due to some silly reason. Even sillier since they could just let you play without giving you any rating for it (or a stupid low rating).
@@barkman1739 both reasons are irrelevant. Casino is the ONLY winner possible in come out so they should LOVE it.
4:50 live roll, 10:00 bad situation
Too much of a grind for me, but it is good info for anyone that didn’t know not to take down a dont bet but cover it with a place instead.
I hop the point with $2ea...stop the yo i bet $2 on yo this will be a $14 hedge to get the three pt blender going
Now we talking. Hop the point is a solid way to attack this system. A lot of people don't know the hop bet exists.
Do you sell crap mats at your store
Currently do not have any in stock
To me that looks kinda corky having a place and don't come bet on the same number. I need to know my odds better. So I can play sharper & closer.
Isn't a don't come a contract bet? Shouldn't that win as soon as a 7 is rolled while the place or buy bets follow the point?
Don’t bets are not contract and can be removed anytime.
@@ColorUp can you ask for it to be working?
Don’t bets are always working.
@@ColorUp not a contract bet, but always working? You hit a 7 when the point was off. I don't understand the scenario
@@andy6302what timestamp are u referring to?
I don't have enough patience for this sh*t 😂
Fair point
I don't think casinos should be afraid of this strategy. 😂
They are not, but some don’t allow, probably just taking up valuable player space ha
Yeah, I set up a script for this and ran it through wincraps....let's just say this is not a winner long term.
@youtubegrav2891 no strategy is
I could see that argument about it taking up player space
What is the "Standard" strategy? 🤔
The 3-point Molly is the "Standard"
I link to standard at end of the video.
I think you made a mistake when you took down the place bet of the point ( the 5 ) and left it naked.
Finally a half decent strategy............ What took so long to post it?
20:40 every craps player .........
If the play goes according to plan, couldn't a bigger bank role make big money? Say $200 instead of $30?
For sure
See…
3 Point Blender - El Toro Style
Free drink system we had a guy at Jerry’s play this way for free drinks
That makes sense
I don't understand y in this system u would put place bets out if u have 2 DCs n the point off. Technically, u should b at the most advantageous time considering that there r more 7s than any other losing # rolled. 1 # covers the DP n 1 # is profit if the 7 rolls, which it did 4 u 2 times here.
Let them ride 4 one roll. If u did that, u would've been -$34 instead of *$154. U risk the same more often on pre-point doing the same thing w/ the DP.
Yeah I thought the same thing on the come out why have the place bets work if you have 2 DC already. You could have just hopped the number for less money if you was afraid the number rolling.
I know nothing about Craps, but me and my mate have been winning well, but get abuse from dealers. Telling us we are not playing correctly, even though winning thousands
Why not bet the DC and the come at same time to protect the dc from a 7 and protect the come from 2 & 3 only number to hurt you is a 12
Because that wouldn't allow you to make money on the DC bet. The come bet is a contract bet whereas a place bet isn't.
If you start paying the four and ten, buy bets at 2 to 1 without a buy button, the phone call from surveillance is not gonna be far behind. And if there's a box man on the table, he's not gonna allow it either.
Many casinos are moving to auto buy. Pays as buy bet but in place bet position.
My casino wont let you do this. The reason why i dont know, but they specifically tell you that you cant hedge like that there. You have to put more money into one or the other.
Lame…what casino?
@@ColorUp Emerald Queen in WA. The only location with tables is the Tacoma location. They removed tables from Fife many many years ago.
7’s on the come out roll will wipe you out! Don’t worry they will come.
you could play with a partner.
The odds of the 9 or 11 is the same as the odds of the 7, iirc.
There are 6 of 36 combos to roll the 7
There are 4 of 36 combos to roll 9
There are 2 of 36 combos to roll 11
You could play a come bet to hedge, but this is ridiculous betting so much with house odds
Never place bet on 4 and 10, always but at 39 for $1 vig.
Most casinos don’t pay 3x on 12 for a field bet. Stop making craps system vids
Many casinos will round up to $2 vig at $30, a few will let you go as high as $39.
I wouldn’t agree that “most” casinos don’t pay triple field. Here is some info showing how many actually do. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1txvaruxsoprcfgHOXkNh4MSqwxz3GYIciX_8TNOigGk/htmlview# crowd sourced but I’ve found it to be pretty accurate on my visits
These grinder systems always end in the worst outcome…. Ur grinding towards bankruptcy
You can grind, or play big and fast. Both end with the casino winning in the end, so play how you like and good luck in the short term🍀
The Wendover casinos are being ridiculous. They are small casinos who sweat the money. Accordingly, with most players playing the “right way”, a player like this actually acts as a hedge for the house (if all bettors bet oppositely, the house edge would win out in the end with low volatility for the house).
I just saw this strategy expect they place a come with the dont lol besides that i do the place and dont bet dealers have been talking shiiit. I place and lay sometimes and they still talk shit!!!!
Some dealers complain if you show up to their table and they have to work 🤪 but many are great and will happily deal whatever crazy action we players come up with.
Your chance of getting two DON'TS without a 7 or 11 is only 50%. That's like flipping a coin just to get this started.
IDK, IMO I would hate to be the guy at the table playing this strategy. Maybe if it was mid-day and I was the only person at the table trying to kill time by myself, but if there is a full table I wouldn't do this.
The part he fails to mention is a dont pass bet to even get this started has a good chance of failing.. all to get setup to make small profits
Twas mentioned
Casinos discourage this by not rewarding for comp value? Yet they reward your standard strategy which yielded a huge win….
Well the standard won big with this sequence of rolls, but the comps wouldn’t be great either, as it’s just 3 $10 bets. Remember, odds bets do not get rated.
This strategy is cool, but it’s too much of a grind for me
wont get rated at all - talked to pit bosses at several casinos where i used a variation of this stratigity with a large dont bet
I've been watching a lot of this guys, videos. He does a good job, but I noticed he throws a lot of sevens and elevens, usually at the wrong time.
That’s craps for ya. I have all my 10k + videos throws tracked. I’d I fall right in line with probabilities.