Finally...A Better Iron Cross Version!

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  • @DiceDegen
    @DiceDegen 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Thanks for rolling this out. Awesome video and explanation!

    • @ColorUp
      @ColorUp  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Thanks to you and 555 for sharing. Hope some traffic comes your way.

  • @louvoodoo
    @louvoodoo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    Once you are in profit you should cover the 5 in my opinion.

    • @ColorUp
      @ColorUp  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

      Once in profit, personally i would get out of field and cover all the box numbers for $64

    • @Fignuts35
      @Fignuts35 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Absolutely. I'd do the 64 across as well.

    • @waynelacroix8870
      @waynelacroix8870 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I would get out of the field after 1 hit and use that to place the 5 and or 9. Get on house money asap then start on hardways

    • @joshuawoodring1697
      @joshuawoodring1697 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'd have my regress be 2x the min for the table on 6/8/F then put min on each box after each hit small profit with eventual cover

    • @baseballjoe06
      @baseballjoe06 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I do a version of the iron cross incorporating the hard ways with collect and press.
      So I collect the first time a number hits 100% of the time on the field, and hardways. I only throw change on the hardways so it's never a huge loss and pays a nice little bonus when you do win. Like if I hit 8 hard and I get paid for the 8 twice essentially. It kind of does the same thing you're doing here by increasing the profit potential but it doesn't really decrease the risk

  • @aarondavenport9488
    @aarondavenport9488 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've been playing this out and it seems like my results have been a little better if I pull down and go $44 Inside on the 2nd Field hit (instead of 3rd). That reduces risk from $100 ($140 - $40 from 2 field hits) to $4. If the 6/8 hit first, I still go $44 inside with a $6 profit already. And if I get a Field hit before the 6/8, I go straight to $66 across with $4 banked. After that, bank/press (1 unit ea on sisters) adding the 4/10 first to cover the box. Would love to see you compare this to the Iron-T here like you've done with "The Standard".
    This has been a little more grindy, but with less big swings due to lower risk and slower start for press.
    I like the comments about betting Hard Ways with change tho since those are multi-roll bets. Think I'll be adding that.

  • @vm8515
    @vm8515 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Another great video. Keep them coming.
    Love this strategy. Thanks for sharing.
    I believe this is one of the few times a strategy did better than the “standard”. Interesting.

  • @dandvd.472
    @dandvd.472 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Winner winner t-bone steak dinner.

  • @AjaxLefeuf
    @AjaxLefeuf 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is how I have been playing with the 440/220 regression strategy. a quarter in the field. So a win is 140 (or 70) -25 on 5/6/8. 9 hits both, and everything else is good to go. I don't play the field bet until I'm in profit territory. I also go max odds on the pass line no matter what.

  • @stevenclark6662
    @stevenclark6662 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What about Laying the 5 instead of ignoring it? That way you shift the risk away from the 7.. 6 ways to roll a 7, only 4 ways to roll a 5..

  • @clintmalcome6224
    @clintmalcome6224 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just watched your Grand Casino 27 count roll. Why was the 'Tall' not paid?

  • @recklessrick9
    @recklessrick9 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    After I get into profit I would just place the 5-9 25 each and power press and collect Also place a hard 4-10 for 5 each if it hits place the 4-10 No more field.

  • @christianpanko6086
    @christianpanko6086 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would start using field winnings to cover the other numbers

  • @MrPoetSpeak
    @MrPoetSpeak 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    After what seemed like an eternity, the dice took to the air.
    “Hard 4, Hard 4!” shouted the dealer.
    Pandemonium erupted.
    Trish noticed that the man to her right was recording the latest roll in his small, spiral notebook. Noticing Trish’s curiosity, he said, “After the game, I like to see how the numbers played out.”
    “What I want to know is how the numbers are going to play out going forward. ”
    “That I cannot tell you,” said the man, with a wry smile, “but I do know the 7 is way overdue.”
    “Are you saying the smart money would take the bets off?” asked Trish.
    “Definitely,-but if you play it safely, you may come out even or have a slight margin of win or loss. What everyone is hoping for is for someone at the table to hold the dice for a long roll. If anyone can do it, this fellow can.”
    A young man at the other end of the table with an impressive arrangement of black and green chips on the rack clapped his hands loudly, did a celebratory pirouette, and said, “We’re going for a long ride, baby.” He then picked up four black chips, tossed them to the stickman for hardway bets, and prognosticated that they were safe as the gold at Fort Knox. Trish thought that -at least in part-the young man’s buoyancy was powered by all the drinks he had consumed.
    People were still making their bets and the dice nestled in the crook of the stick in the middle of the table.
    Trish took down her bets.
    --from my novel "A Ballet of the Dice"

    • @kittykatslots
      @kittykatslots 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      what's the book name?

    • @MrPoetSpeak
      @MrPoetSpeak 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kittykatslots The book's name is "A Ballet of the Dice" Thanks for asking.

    • @MrDarrelln64
      @MrDarrelln64 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What?

  • @ryantavenner2324
    @ryantavenner2324 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Once you regress are the you in Profit? You pulled 120 down and only have 90 on the board....where am I wrong?

  • @anthonymatozzo3953
    @anthonymatozzo3953 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    question if you at a 15 minimum table would you bet 45 on the 6 and 8 or 48 to get paid fairly for the first hit?

    • @ColorUp
      @ColorUp  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      42 or 48, always amounts in $6 units

  • @henrypeterman3929
    @henrypeterman3929 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Once your in the profit, why not place the 5 so it's a wash?

    • @henrypeterman3929
      @henrypeterman3929 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😅 never mind, I see 555 said it in the comments..lol

  • @brandonfletcher8975
    @brandonfletcher8975 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Whats the standard again? It seems to consistently come out in profit on any video you do, maybe its the best way to play

  • @danielbachar5864
    @danielbachar5864 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    I’ve tried something like this on bubble craps where the limits are very low, three bucks on the five, between 10 and 12 on the six and eight and then a two dollar field bet. Let the field ride three times, if it hits again, pull it down and you pretty much paid for the roll. You can take a little off the six and eight and spread it out and then it just becomes press fest. You’ll still make money on a good roll and won’t get destroyed when they suck. You’re not gonna make a fortune, but you can survive on a pretty low bankroll if you just wanna have some fun.😊

  • @555Craps
    @555Craps 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    I fully agree that once your profitable you can and should do whatever you want. In fact, I am not against putting up a $10 place 5 to cover the field once profitable. There's lots of ways to customize this play. You did an awesome job explaining it! Thanks for showing it Jeremy.

    • @ColorUp
      @ColorUp  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      thanks for sharing it with me!

  • @CasinoGamingTV
    @CasinoGamingTV 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I've never been a huge fan of the Iron Cross, but I've been tinkering with ways to play it for a long time to see if I could make it better, too. I've done the Red Cross, The Crossbow, and now Greg and Chris this one, which is the complete opposite. I love the drawdown concept of this one, which makes the field bleed so much less of an issue! Well done gang

    • @ColorUp
      @ColorUp  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      like i mentioned, after money is back and playing with profit, id probably move out of field entirely.

  • @muhammadcurtis6759
    @muhammadcurtis6759 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I like this update to the iron cross. The only thing I would add is that once I’m in profit I would put a minimum bet on the 5. I plan on giving this a try too.

  • @iptvclub1575
    @iptvclub1575 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Played this at GSR yesterday and here are some modifications that helped me
    1) if you hit a field number first. Place the 5 right away for $20 (60/60/20 level). That way you are covering the 5 with profits. Its only on loan to the board until you get a 6/8 hit or 3 field hits or a combination. There were a few times it saved me yesterday. Hit an 11 first and then placed the 5, and then a 5 hit.
    2) I was playing a $15 table so instead of regressing to iron cross. I regressed to $66 inside so at most I am in the hand for $16.
    3) I used a ladder when I lost. I actually went up to $120 each and $40 on the field. In hindsight I could have done $90 each and $30 in field.
    I did win money and there were a bunch of short rolls.

    • @ColorUp
      @ColorUp  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Nice feedback and adjustment

    • @MrDarrelln64
      @MrDarrelln64 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks 😊

    • @rollinindasupra
      @rollinindasupra หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hey, new to the game. Local table around me is $15. So you would start out at 60 (6)/60 (8)/20 (field) and then bring it down to $18/$18/$15 is that right. In addition you placed the 5 after hitting?

    • @iptvclub1575
      @iptvclub1575 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rollinindasupra if the first hit is a 6/8 you make $50. I would drop down to $66 inside 15/18/18/15. So now you’re only in the hand for $16 but have $66 in action. If a field number hits I would place the 5 temporarily (either until a 6/8 hits or 2 more field). There have been many times when I would hit a field number (like a 4) and then a 5 would come right after.
      Hope that makes sense.

  • @dragonshane
    @dragonshane 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I've done this, I like it. But I do use my field winnings to place the rest of the numbers. Love it when 2 or 12 rolls so I can cover 4 & 10 right away.

  • @BlueKaspar-bc9mj
    @BlueKaspar-bc9mj 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    For those who are/is/want to hop the 5's, you can. Like the field bet, hopping numbers can get expensive. Just like Jeremy said. There is a strategy hopping the 5's using the iron cross. One TH-cam video called it quarter pound w/ EZ. On the 6/8 you bet $60. Hop the 5's $5 each. Field bet $35. Like Jeremy said, you can work your bets with the puck on or off. Big Red doesn't care because Big Red will show up anytime on any roll. 6/8 rolls, you win $70. Minus $35 field minus 10 hopping 5's. A profit of $25. A field number roll, you win $35 minus $10 hopping 5's. A profit $25. If a 5 is rolled, you win $75. Minus $5 for the other 5, minus $35 for field bet. A profit $35. Depend on the casino field layout, 2 or 12 pays double or triple, double wins $70 minus $10 hopping 5's. A profit of $60. Triple payout is a profit of $95. Then from there, you can bet whichever method your heart desire.

  • @dallasamos3794
    @dallasamos3794 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    How about we do this since you're doing away with the 5 replace it with the 9 then you can get a double pay if 5 hits you still only loose 20 that's how I play it

  • @jamesjennings8574
    @jamesjennings8574 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I have been playing a straight Place 6 & 8 strategy - This is a GREAT balance! This is my favorite strategy YET!

  • @keithmchugh5403
    @keithmchugh5403 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Went in for $500 and lost $470 in about 40 rolls. Just too many early rolls. I like the concept but the dice like any strat has to cooperate. Need to look at hedging the early rolls.

    • @daniiel1495
      @daniiel1495 หลายเดือนก่อน

      “Everybody’s got a plan until they get 7ed Out in the face.” - Mike Tyson, probably

  • @JoeFerber
    @JoeFerber 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I DEFINITELY like this strategy, BUT I would make it SLIGHTLY BETTER by just putting $20 on the number 5 when you have your FIRST stage Iron Cross out where you have $60 each on the 6 and 8, and $20 in the Field, and then when you have the REDUCED Iron Cross with $30 EACH on the 6 and 8 and $10 in the Field, I would ALSO have $10 on the number 5, so this way instead of LOSING the $20 or $10, you will make either $8 of $4 when the 5 hits!
    I just DON'T like to leave out the 5!

  • @dand.2082
    @dand.2082 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I love it, and can’t wait to try this the next time I’m at a casino.
    You raise a good point, that is what to do after you regress. Do you stay with the Iron T, or do you go across, with a C & E?
    If you’re ambitious maybe you can do a Color Up video comparing a player that stays with the Iron T vs. a player that goes across with a C&E

  • @juddow
    @juddow 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Well if we remove the 5, lets remove the 6. 8, and field and go get lunch lol

    • @ColorUp
      @ColorUp  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😜

  • @thedeceptivekhan
    @thedeceptivekhan 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I like it, I'd probably add the 5 back after the regression though and a 2 or 12 would give you the breathing room to add some of the outside place bets. Would make it a little less of a grind. But yeah, overall dropping the 5 to start is pretty smart.

  • @loulouie8781
    @loulouie8781 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is not new Tony Leo played this way for years

    • @ColorUp
      @ColorUp  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      nothing is new, games hundred years old

  • @bitcoinmillionaire627
    @bitcoinmillionaire627 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I hop the 5’s until the first field hit, then place the 5 at table minimum. At least it covers the hole and hopping is only a $2 investment.

  • @lucasfligor2608
    @lucasfligor2608 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    played this a couple days ago, went up about $250 in 10 minutes, cashed out and went home. Thanks for the vids!

  • @tooraw718
    @tooraw718 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What do you think about hoppin the five

  • @420hotbox36
    @420hotbox36 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Had the worst luck with this. My first time I was placing come bets instead of field because I'm an idiot and rolled a 7. My 2nd round I rolled 5 three times and then a 7. Tried again and 7 comes up 2nd roll 😂

  • @gmurayama
    @gmurayama หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love this strategy but any time I hit the field I place it on another number. Always cover the five on my first hit in the field. Once I have all the numbers across, I just bet CnE or horn every roll depending upon my bankroll in my radio and on the table

  • @billcollins4654
    @billcollins4654 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How about after your regress, use first win to put $10 on the 5. That would disarm the 5 from taking your $10 field bet!!! Or use part of first win at $140 to bet $20 on 5 to do same thing. $20 $60 $60. Five can roll quite often to steal that field bet.

  • @bmant3963
    @bmant3963 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What ive been doing play pass line say its an 8 ill do odds, then put money on the 6 and the DC and put 2 dollads in the center for a 2 dollar 11. So ill win on a 2,3,6,8
    And 11. If itd a 6.8 ill no action the DC. If its a 5 ill go behind the 5 lay odds.
    If its a 12 i lose 2 dollars do it again. If its a 4,9,10 i go behind it and then place money on the field. So i got everything covered

  • @diceemotion5412
    @diceemotion5412 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If you parlay your field and hit it you are at your win. If the 6 or 8 hit you have your $50. Good strategy

  • @artemisp2819
    @artemisp2819 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Seems consistent, but iron cross or no I'm unsure why you wouldn't always min bet pass or don't pass given their tiny house edge. The strategy otherwise remains the same with a small investment increase at a lower house edge than all the other bets you're working.

  • @wnysupport
    @wnysupport 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I never work my bets on the come-out, because it never seems to work the way this rollout goes, lol (I know math is math, and the 7 comes out once every 6...but with this strategy might try it)

  • @E.Asinus
    @E.Asinus 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    With my luck it would be 10 5’s in a row then seven

    • @birddog3130
      @birddog3130 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁

  • @Dark_Crown
    @Dark_Crown 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I would say you had profitable rolls. The Standard did $20 less in profits. It is a nice improvement.

  • @marrickbernstein9039
    @marrickbernstein9039 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Another thing you could do is lay the 4 or 10 for the amount on the 6,8 and field a few roles to hedge the 7.

  • @thegrandtorino1
    @thegrandtorino1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Once you've merged to the 70 casino money, you should cover the 5 and then cover the rest of the field with a horn bet asap

  • @louvoodoo
    @louvoodoo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I love the Iron Cross!!!

  • @myb28
    @myb28 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi Jeremy, Of course I want to try this. I'm a big fan of placing higher initial bets and regressing down after 1 or 2 hits. I'll play it out on Crapsee and post my results on my channel

  • @anghockcai1969
    @anghockcai1969 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I like to playing craps. But in Singapore the table is so hight on weekday is $25 and weekends is $50 😂

  • @nateyoung6656
    @nateyoung6656 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you play this strat with pass line and odds? Or does that have too much risk reward?

  • @davidkatz3477
    @davidkatz3477 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Jeremy, as a hedge, would you put money on the don't pass? If so how much? Thanks.

  • @ThaGreatKingLeo
    @ThaGreatKingLeo 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Once im in the profit, i add money to the hardways and odds on my donts

  • @SoarviverForever
    @SoarviverForever 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’ve been trying to optimize an iron cross variant where I hop the 5 for the firsts 3 rolls. $30 6&8 and a $15 field minus $2 for the hop means on average that makes around $15 per roll. Once I have $45-$50 in hand I change it up depending on how it’s going. Definitely have to give your version a try though!

    • @hulenbryant5637
      @hulenbryant5637 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I do the same with the 5 if the hop bets are available.

  • @nsharma99
    @nsharma99 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Hop the 5s for $5 each

    • @ColorUp
      @ColorUp  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      adds up fast

    • @nsharma99
      @nsharma99 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ColorUp maybe $2 each or until the regress

    • @marcushardy5922
      @marcushardy5922 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I would do 2 on each 5 for the initial bet, then 1 on each afterwards. However once in profit would go 64 across with 2 on ce.

  • @tbone2859
    @tbone2859 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I used this strategy last weekend on a bubble craps machine. Got my money out after one 6/8 or two field hits. Covered all the box numbers. Had some crazy long rolls while pressing and regressing. Took it to a $600 profit. Put a hundred in my wallet and decided rather than making the two hour drive home with $500 , to go for $1000. Ugh. Lost the $500 plus took the hundred and another hundred out of my wallet and went home down a hundred. It’s just entertainment money I play with, but still………. What an idiot I felt like on that long drive home lol

  • @rickconklin3088
    @rickconklin3088 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I like it. Only thing for me is $15 minimum tables in my area. So in order to regress, you would have to start at 30 on the field and 84 each on 6 and 8.

    • @555Craps
      @555Craps 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If bankroll isn't a problem for you, you can play the 6/8 for 90 each with a $30 field. In the regression you can still go down to 30/30 and a 15 dollar field. In that scenario, you would only need two field hit to hit to regress. The ratio won't be perfect 3:1 after regressing but It's still fine in my opinion.

    • @iptvclub1575
      @iptvclub1575 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Or do what I did and don’t regress into iron cross at all. You could do $66 inside, or just 6/8. Lot of options. I didn’t mind going $66 inside. Basically only have $16 at risk.

    • @555Craps
      @555Craps 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I like it! Great to have options!

    • @Unholychaos987
      @Unholychaos987 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I would treat the table minimum as $20 in this case. Initial bet of $40 field, $120 6/8, regress to $20 and $60 respectively to keep it all clean

    • @troyjones9745
      @troyjones9745 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You can go $15 (field) and 48 each 6 & 8. That accomplishes the 1/3 margin.

  • @Enzolex0204
    @Enzolex0204 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A whole lot of IFS in there 🤦‍♂️

  • @justDudpool
    @justDudpool หลายเดือนก่อน

    No 5 and no 7, no 57= can you call it the Heinz? Or No Heinz? (Heinz 57) 😊

    • @ColorUp
      @ColorUp  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ha, good one!

  • @DuggleBogey
    @DuggleBogey 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I would like to see some kind of pressure strategy, even if it's just pressing the 6 and 8 when a 2 or 12 rolls for the field.

    • @ColorUp
      @ColorUp  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Id say once you have your $140 back in rack, yeah press as you feel comfortable

  • @RazgrizGaruda1100
    @RazgrizGaruda1100 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ok.
    Traditional Iron Cross ($5 table; $17 total on the 5, 6, & 8 with a $5 field bet). It would take 4 field rolls, or 8 inside number rolls to break even on a $23 wager. You would be out $23 should the shooter 7-out immediately after the come out roll.
    The proposed strategy at the same $5 table ($30 total inside on 6 & 8 with a $5 field bet). Without the regression component and with the 3x ratio, You would need 3 rolls on 6/8 to recuperate your money, now 6 field rolls to recuperate the investment, and on top of that, you would be out $35 should the worst case scenario happen, which is $12 more than the base strategy. The trade off does not seem worth it to me.
    Not a fan of the new proposal. I would consider just eliminating the 5 as a bet and using that as a baseline to lower my wager size from $23 to $17, while giving up the extra rolls on the 5 to expedite the process of being profitable quicker.

    • @ColorUp
      @ColorUp  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Traditional could take 8 rolls. Avg roll only lasts 8.5 which means many never make it that long.
      You described proposed without regression. The whole point of proposed is to have a regression to be done in 2 rolls

    • @RazgrizGaruda1100
      @RazgrizGaruda1100 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ColorUp
      You are right on the regression point, and I did this analysis without the regression in mind.
      My problem with the regression is just the more money at risk on a limited bankroll. If my buy in was capped at $200 for this $5 craps table example, I would be wagering about 1/3rd of my bankroll ($65 for the regression per your strategy of $35) for one shooter in the worst case scenario. The larger bet size per shooter is not worth the risk over a long period of time.
      It’s an interesting thought experiment and I did not put my example out there to criticize the approach, rather to have the discussion we are having now back and forth.

    • @ColorUp
      @ColorUp  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@RazgrizGaruda1100 Yes, if bankroll is $200 strategy as presented is not recommended. I suggest players have enough bankroll to withstand 10 shooters. So 10x whatever their chosen strat is.

  • @shirleyrichard-qv9lw
    @shirleyrichard-qv9lw 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Regression - of course !

  • @lordcarnage5199
    @lordcarnage5199 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    DICE GAME WARNING...
    THIS WILL NOT WORK AS SHOWN EVERYTIME... me personally start adding come bets now everything covered

  • @RTShahdirty
    @RTShahdirty 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I called that "The CREEPER" Because I always creep up. I never knew that was a strategy. Cool

  • @anthonyroop1472
    @anthonyroop1472 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why was your first number 8? Your first roll was a 3.

    • @ColorUp
      @ColorUp  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You have to roll a box number for the point or the puck to move. 7/11 and 2/3/12 are winning or losing numbers for the come out roll but they do not establish a point.

  • @TexanBurgler
    @TexanBurgler 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    make it 42 & 15 less investment. almost the same payout regress to 30 & 10. once you get pass roll 6-8, you gotta start pressing bets, or else why do you play craps...We want that 1K$+ win.

  • @eddieonthemoney2520
    @eddieonthemoney2520 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I play what I call the broken cross.
    1.) I don’t bet the five
    2.) I have 48 on the 6 & 8 $15 in the field. I can do this because we have $15 tables in Florida during the day.
    3.) Any three hits and I’m done with that shooter.
    Refer back to your video of years ago. Are you a loser?
    I have people ask me if I get bored with the sameness of it. I never get bored banking somebody else’s money, LOL
    There are a few more idiosyncrasies. I never go beyond about five rolls. If I haven’t gotten my three hits by then I’m done. That happens when it takes too long to establish a point.
    If it is an especially cold table, I will only go four rolls.
    Roll on,
    Eddie On The Money

  • @Unholychaos987
    @Unholychaos987 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like this strategy, but it only works cleanly at the $10 level if you only want to work with 2 chips colors. A $15 table would essentially be $30 field and $90 6/8, regressing down to $15 field and either $42 or $48 6/8; similar results at the $25 level. Still works in theory, just messier. In these scenarios, I'd round up to $20 and $30 respectively to make it easier on everyone

  • @evgeniigorbachev5209
    @evgeniigorbachev5209 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just by your scheme, as you have shown in the video, it will not work. There will be a loss and quite a big one. For example, if you play black chips, the first repetition of 7 on the output will be minus 700. And such repetitions at least 4-5 per 100 clips will be. That's minus 3500. This works if you play through DC or wait until the point is set to avoid the series 7 7 7 7 7 11. And it is even better to make 5-6 hits and stop the series. for example 6 or 8 then you went down and then 4 more hits.OR 9 10 11 went down and only 2 more hits . hit the number did not hit it is as luck. It's been tested on long rolls.

  • @kenmartin5375
    @kenmartin5375 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You were already in profit and you did not press your bets and you could have added the 5 as well. You lost money. You had great rolls. So after your in profit, what is your goal?

    • @ColorUp
      @ColorUp  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I show the base strategy. You can press and or regress as you feel comfortable. It is much easier to know what to do after seeing the rolls/results.

    • @kenmartin5375
      @kenmartin5375 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ColorUp - You taught me something so that is good. I watch a lot of Casino Quest, I was yelling out power press. One hit and your money has doubled. I like the iron cross, but you cleaned ut up for me and gave me ideas. My profits are to feed the widows and orphans, so I have to push hard.

  • @seansmith2650
    @seansmith2650 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Still think laying the 5, 3 units in 6 and 8, double unit on field is better odds. Gotta curve that 7

  • @jacejk2
    @jacejk2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've been using this for a couple months now. If Crapsee tournaments, one can start out big then regress with no worries. Takes a minimum of rolls to get Out of the Hand. Easily win $6-700 on a good shooter at the Casino. Yes profits can cover the 5. Thanks Jeremy for this one.

  • @makuakane7787
    @makuakane7787 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I like it, thanks for sharing!

  • @WoahItsDustin
    @WoahItsDustin 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’d call this the “Profit T” strategy, especially if you don’t add numbers to the boxes and just collect. Even at 3 hits to cash (all field) averages say you can expect 2-3 more rolls for money, could be winning as much as 50% of the original bet.

  • @toddrhoades9043
    @toddrhoades9043 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Every 2 or 12 hit should generate a place bet starting with the 5, then, 9, the 4, the 10. You're capturing extra profit on a long roll, plugging a hole, and double-dipping on the 4, 9, and 10. Possibly even start with the 5 and then go to the hard 6 an 8 before the 4, 9, and 10. Fun strategy though!!

  • @JasonEmerson711
    @JasonEmerson711 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hop the 5's for 2 bucks each roll. Solves the 5 problem.
    Now only the 7 is bad.
    You're welcome! Also, when regressing, I'd suggest you have a bet on the 5 so you keep all the numbers in play (besides 7)

  • @Crashphoenix666
    @Crashphoenix666 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I saw a guy playing something like this (but table minimums were $15, too rich for me) The only change he did was placing $15 on the don't pass for the come out roll, and played $15 on the field. Think he played over an hour, walked away with chips and was smiling, so I think he did ok, or at least didn't lose much.

  • @billcollins4654
    @billcollins4654 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've seen it take 28 rolls just to establish a point, (you wouldn't think that was possible, but it is) if most of those are 7's and your bets are working, you are in a world of hurt. I hate to say it, but I tossed six come-out 7's in a row today; luckily, I wasn't working my bets. It didn't win me anything, because I as betting both sides of the pass line ;)

  • @Eqnotalent
    @Eqnotalent 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There are also 2 better version of iron cross. 1 version is you can also hop the 5 with $2. 2nd version is you bet 2 unit 4-5-9-10. 3 unit 6-8, then 1 unit horn. That will also be a lower risk higher win version of iron cross.

  • @Buddyelvis1-2022
    @Buddyelvis1-2022 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Add the 5

  • @redknightprez
    @redknightprez 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like it....once you get that one hit on the 6 or 8 (in profit) and have that 70 dollars left on table, I would then switch to the Squeeze Play start and move to 66 inside...and go on from there

  • @markshaines
    @markshaines 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you mix this strategy with the mathematician strategy from about a year ago? Bets on 6/8 that increase from 12, 30, 90 after each seven?

  • @Redthedeer
    @Redthedeer 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just showed this system? Did you happen to catch that by chance. Good vid though

  • @markh8637
    @markh8637 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks regression on the T love it, i have to try this next time i am in Reno, although cheaper to throw there on Thursday because on Friday Saturday its $25 a pop at Silver legacy, which means the field can get expensive without cover on the 5, i would feel better with me shooting and covering the 5 then branching out after regression, cheers

  • @abeedbendall3899
    @abeedbendall3899 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like the base of this strategy - especially early and will def be giving it a try at some point.
    I do think however that getting the outside placed once you are starting to get into profit is the correct line of play.
    For a $5 table i think my strategy would end up being once you have recoup'd the $140 to start using field hits to place the 5 for $10 first, then the 4 & 10 for $5, and finally the 9 for $10 and let the field double dip on those outside numbers.

  • @thedude5599
    @thedude5599 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I place 30$ on the 6 and 8 ....25$ on the 5 and 10$ on the field ... that way you always are making money. Once I get two three or 4 hits with no seven, I then I take my bets down and put 5$ on the dont come and lay max odds. Works great sometimes a guy will hit a point and you will lose your dont come bets. But lots of time the seven rolls and hopefully you have a few dont comes on the board. Does me very well, I usually leave as soon as I im up profit any where from 50 to 200 bucks. Then I go for dinner on the house. You can martingale this strategy to make up for some hot rollers. I usually win 7 out of ten times I play because I hit and run. Trust me hitting a few place bets then taking them down adds up. I rarely play the pass line or the dont pass. I just wait till the point is on.

  • @gscop1683
    @gscop1683 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think it improves it. I am usually on $25 min tables so it increases my exposure but also the payoff. I also Always have $5 on all the hardways so your last shooter was awesome for me.

  • @mitcher420
    @mitcher420 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My birthday 5/7 ;)

  • @asmoday8382
    @asmoday8382 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Avg random shooter based on math you have 1/6 chance to roll a 7 so if u can get out of the hand in 6 or less rolls you should be fine, if you pratice dice control you can change the odds to stretch to 1/7, 1/8,1/9 and so on

    • @ColorUp
      @ColorUp  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      With come out roll factored in, the avg roll lasts 8.5 rolls. If dice control actually worked you could extend that average.

    • @asmoday8382
      @asmoday8382 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @ColorUp correct but dice control or if u want a more accurate term of derandomization does actually work but it takes atlest a year of 2-5 hours of pratice a day to see real results of be able to shoot 10-20 times without 7 out, and most people don't put in the effort or time

    • @ColorUp
      @ColorUp  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @asmoday8382 for the few that have put in the time. And can derandomize they would have edge over casino, and like card counters they would actually make money and professionals would exist. There are no professional craps players. Casinos don’t ban craps players, they are welcome to try because casinos don’t believe either.

  • @victorduncan3254
    @victorduncan3254 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I noticed something. You usually throw a seven when you just throw the dice. When you give them a good shake, you tend to throw very long. Same happens to me when I throw them. Just an observation

  • @PaulHarris-sl1ct
    @PaulHarris-sl1ct 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would like to see one of those strategies played out using the actual dice odds. Not actual dice rolls or hypotheticals. If sevens have a 6 in 36 chance of being rolled or a 1 in seven statistical occurrence rate then use those against the strategy. I think that we would see the house advantage for real.

  • @blmeanie
    @blmeanie 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Jeremy - another good video, thanks. I like your black chip trays that go the long way - where did you get them? Also - what is your spreadsheet or software for checking the standard?

  • @laurencek.1580
    @laurencek.1580 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Maybe I just need to practice it, but too many moving parts for me. Felt safer and more positive results when bets on the Arnold system.

  • @craigk9157
    @craigk9157 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It seems to me that a lay 4 or 10 after a few numbers would be a good hedge on this strategy. The hedge should be twice the field.

  • @Michealsworldcartoon6670
    @Michealsworldcartoon6670 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ok, I just got back from the casino and tried this strategy.....I was absolutely destroyed. It wasn't the strategy for I never got to use it. Why? I was at a $15 minimum table (the lowest one they had), so I wanted to put down a larger first bet with the 3:1 ratio from the 6/8 to the "field". My initial bet was on the 6/8 at $90 each and $30 on the field for a total of $210 on the table. Then using this strategy, once my 6/8 hit, regress to $45 on 6/8 and $15 on Field. Awesome, got it set and ready to roll. The first shooter comes out, very first roll...you guessed it..."7". Ok, just bad luck to start, let's do another $210 on the table...The second roll...you guessed it.."7". Down $420 just on 2 rolls. Ok, going to stick with this strategy...another $210 on the table, shooter let's see what you can do...third roll out..wait for it, wait for you it..."Bam"...a "7". Let's try a final time, my fourth set of $210 on the table. The fourth roll, ok let's get this train going...roll out...All together, lets say it together on "1, 2, 3....."7". That's right, on 4 rolls in a matter of 3 minutes, I lost $840. The looks I got from my wife. We stayed the night at the casino, she was so upset at me, that she gave me no action back in our room. So I crapped out from the table and the bedroom.

    • @ColorUp
      @ColorUp  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Oh no! Sorry to hear that.

  • @BTLwithTony
    @BTLwithTony 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I still prefer Dealer John’s “Iron Condor” strategy, that’s not what you and he called it but that’s what I call it.

  • @tireiron7500
    @tireiron7500 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like it, play tested a couple times both ended up in profit. Nice transition to using the field to cover your box numbers and box numbers to feed your rack, lot of ways you can play this after you are out of the hand.

  • @DrSurf-fx4gf
    @DrSurf-fx4gf 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have frequently used this system and have done well with it. It's simple with no complicated moving parts and you can scale it up or down.

  • @alkayboe652
    @alkayboe652 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thx to all three, Jeremy for the rollout, Dice Degan for collaborating in the design of the T, and Greg -we miss you at 555! This is the Best modified Iron Cross I’ve ever seen. Period.

  • @MWLS1
    @MWLS1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Field bet is too low, 10 combos on the 6/8 vs 16 combos on the field w jackpot on the 2/12.

  • @mikekutzler
    @mikekutzler 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Maybe I missed a video or two. However, I love this format with the numbers at the end and everything

  • @zxmpsychiatry7602
    @zxmpsychiatry7602 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    SWEET strategy and roll out. Would LOVE to see one for fun with HOP bets

  • @classifiedsincebirth
    @classifiedsincebirth 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    excellent strategy. It's always difficult to stay disciplined and not get greedy