I tried out kick the past few days and love it i got a consent 5 views and got raided by another channel I actually enjoyed it ive tried on twitch streaming to literally no one talking to myself
Competition is key for a healthier market for the consumer, no matter the industry. If Twitch can't get their shit together, then why not more sites come up and take a piece of pie for themselves?
@@rompevuevitos222 There's so many competitors that you probably know about already (Odysee, BitChute) that have existed for years but you're too lazy or complacent to switch. This is coming from someone who's also too lazy and complacent to switch.
@@friendofp.24 As someone who involves themselves in these alt video sharing sites, it's too much of a commitment to switch to be fair. You will get an audience, sure, but you'll hardly find any decent content on these platforms that aren't political or abhorrent nightmares. Vanillo is doing relatively well in it's own field but could do well with a few more content creators joining, given their more stricter and more moderated platform as compared to the likes of VidLii or Odysee. Kick might be a strong competitor even with it's ties to gambling and controversial figure Adin Ross being on the platform.
Once Kick has to start cracking down on the rules, and it will start to happen soon with more and more eyes on it, people will start to slow and THEN we will see if Kick has longevity or not.
With gambling backing up Kick, they don't have to worry about shareholders, if they have any. However greed will certainly get into Kick's head and do exactly like Twitch is doing now.
That's the reason why I'm not totally sold with Kick being a serious competitor, I don't want to support cryptobros, even if they're playing field against Twitch.
The fact they are dropping such numbers on signing people to stream there is alarming because they will expect to see that return. So I think your right it will be hyper monetized in the future when they have the base.
They gotta worry about the Federal Government instead. That's why Twitch banned the gambling stuff in the first place. It will turn them 21 and Up. That's gonna lose out on a large chunk of the Audience.
@@enthiegavoir5955she aint a business woman lol. She has an entire team behind her, to deal with business and promotions..... And i wouldnt really call her smart either, with stupid claims like that, she also had a lot of stupid claims in the past.....But ofcourse the part about her being smart or not, is just my opinion
@@enthiegavoir5955if she knew absolutely anything about the website she’s built her entire livelihood on she wouldn’t have said something as moronic as that, how embarrassing
@@enthiegavoir5955 She like TO SAY shes a smart businesswomen. But when you fall back on a team of people and the fact you are Moroccan you tend to loose sight of reality like that.
Hopefully it's not another Mixer situation. I was a partner on Mixer and let me tell you they worked hard for their downfall. I hope Kick puts Twitch in their rear view mirror.
Mixer bought Ninja annd stop caring. Stake gets full return just farming gambling. Unless the US and Europe crack down on online casinos its gonna be here awhile.
Mixer came in the worst time, when twitch was at its highest during the pandemic. This is the lowest point for twitch, and the best time for a competitor to swoop in and take a piece of the pie.
@@Tnscla Long story short. It was a promising and genuine platform until they got some major recognition. They got greedy and forgot about all of the streamers who helped build it. And it became stagnant.
Can't wait for them to come into mine for Too Boring To Monetise even if I wanted to give them details XD 'm just there f'fun and to let people see a BTS of game making. I can snark. Their move.
It will BE more of a Problem because of that Gambling Pipeline. I expect the Government to jump in within a year due to laws with Gambling. Age Restriction, it will become 21 and Up with mandatory age verification.
Between xQc and Amouranth, yeah, this could send a STRONG message to Twitch and Amazon about their greedy ways of "doing business" and how out of touch they are with the streamers and the fans.
It depends on how many viewers they permanently lose. There are tons of nerds playing video of games and tons of sluts hanging out in bikinis... "fans" of either still have plenty of the same kind of content on twitch so you really dont need to leave
Or nothing actually happens and new people come up and fill those gaps. Same way Ninja and Stroud left Twitch and other people (like Xqc) reaped the rewards of new audience members.
@@Danny01474twitch copium that guy is huffing. XQC 2019-2022 was the top guy for gaming and Amouanth was the just chatting streamer those 2 easily got hundreds of thousands of not a few million views weekly and now that’s on kick. Someone should also ask how much Pokimane is paying for that purple twitch koolaid
The thing is Kick is supported by streamers streaming gambling, which feeds money back to Stake when viewers gamble on Stake’s sites. Stake/Kick doesn’t need nor have to bow down to advertisers, their engine is fuelled by gambling.
@@thingsiplaydon’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing (unless you’re one of those that view all gambling as unethical). Lotteries are used by Canadian provinces to gain more money without raising actual taxes. Those who don’t want to pay extra money to the government won’t, and those who do get a game with a chance to win big money. If a similar system can be implemented into online services (with restrictions on who can gamble, which I believe is already legally required), this can bypass the advertiser pressure driven “shitification” trend present in most other social media.
@@user-xl5kd6il6c I am talking about gambling, not soft porn. These are two different subjects. We should not compete in these terms whats' worse, gambling or soft porn? Also These services are not only used by kids. Kick is not the competition I want.
As long they change or make improvemet of and separation of gambling streaming form normal steaming (entering a gambling channel must be 21 years and older type of restriction)
@@MistyKathrine That is just a statement tho? So what if they use the same back end, at the end of the day twitch isnt getting any extra money from kick using AWS (amazon streaming services). Why would amazon (the company that owns twitch) give twitch money for other companies using amazons services?
I've worked with AWS at the enterprise level, where they have engineers from the company on call with you talking to you about your infrastructure setup, and they're CLEARLY an entity independent of Amazon in management. They would 100% NEVER remove Amazon's competitors and I would absolutely drop them as a platform if they did anything like that
While I'm not keen on a platform funded by Stake, I'd be lying if I said some decent Twitch competition wasn't overdue. For now, let's hope Kick doesn't get Old Yellered like Mixer.
It really couldn't be a coincidence I just got a Kick advertisement that was also slamming on Twitch when I clicked your video. That's just too perfect.
If Twitch is paying AWS a discounted rate for services, that's an anti-trust violation. My understanding is Twitch has to pay published rates and that's part of why it's bleeding money.
Twitch had a huge monopoly on live-streaming that any competition should never have had any major competitors. The fact that kick even managed to become a serious competitor should be a wake up call for how bad twitch is.
who cares if a redditor gets his info stolen lmao. People get their info stolen every day and held for outrageous ransoms. You want Muta to make a video about every J walker in LA?
Right now there are more people streaming Casino and slots on Twitch (~38k + ~25k) than on Kick (~45k). Sure Twitch banned it, but they dont enforce anything. Only when it comes to big creators, but Twitch doesn't want to lose that watchtime that comes with casinos too. Don't really see that big of a moral high ground on Twitch's side. Especially if you think about Amazon being their corporate sponsor. And I don't know if I was just lucky but I never got any ads about casinos or slots on Kick. They are backed by some shady crypto stuff, but that site is weirdly staying away from showing any casino ads. I bet it will come in the future, when enough people followed their favorite Creator to that site, but right now I'm kinda rooting for Kick. Twitch is just not transparent enough with their creators, especially when it comes to things that got you banned (I mean come on... live secks on stream and only 7 days ban??? but some other creators get permabanned for the most ridiculous stuff). Kinda like TH-cam is doing with that monetization thing. Maybe this whole stuff going on right now leads to more changes in every streaming site making them all more fair for the creators. Well... I can dream..
It's about damn time there was a competitor on the rise. There's been too much shit going on with Twitch. That's if Kick doesn't go down in flames like almost every other alternative has. Looking at you, Mixer.
It’s like choosing between two Evils, one evil filled incompetent staff, crazy rulings, and so many anti consumer decisions being made. While the other evil is funded by gambling addicts, a site that isn’t guaranteed ad revenue due to its nature as a site with loose rules and mods. It’s definitely a sticky situation and honestly I’m not gonna blame any developer me for choosing kick for more money
Because the streaming is not the main source of money. Stake is. Twitch depends entirely on ads and sub splits which they let streamers circumvent by letting streamers get ads without cutting twitch in the deal and direct donations again without cutting twitch in the deal
I wouldn't have a problem with kick if it was genuinely created to be a competitor to twitch instead of a literal cash cow for stake, the gambling site that funds kick. The entire reason that kick was created was because trainwreckstv, the mastermind behind it, got so mad that twitch banned gambling off their website, that he had to go and create a completely new platform just to gamble. He lost all his viewership because of it and was stakes biggest proponent, which is why he teamed up with stake to make its own independent entity. Why would stake even fund kick if train didnt promise them that it would lead to higher influx of users and revenue for them? All of these high profile signings and promises of better streaming wages and freedoms are simply just to drive viewership and in turn increase profit for stake. Like no matter what anyone says you cant deny why kick was created and that it completely promotes gambling. Like I hate defending twitch and I agree that its gotten worse over time, but atleast its not so blatant as to outright promote an actual problem. Give us a livestreaming service with the "benefits" that kick is promoting and the functional platform that twitch has created, without the promition of real world issues, and we have an actual replacement for twitch.
2:17 If the purpose for a product that is literally the same as the other product, is to be competition to make sure the other product doesn't innovate... Then its safe to say that the product works perfectly fine, its just that, well, in the cases of TH-cam, Twitch, Facebook, Twitter, etc, they will eventually become defective, if given enough time. My opinions on the matter though, is that if something an't broke, then we're not looking hard enough for issues, or perhaps we're ignoring issues in the first place with our product, regardless of the existence of competition... and its even more likely that we have a blindspot or just don't have the motivation to improve our product anymore - maybe we should hand over our product to someone else(afterall its either this or, well, thousands of peoples files get deleted as the social media itself is deleted and we decide to move onto a different one, or maybe instead we hand people harddrives with all their user data on it, I dunno, I guess it could work, but it'd also be a bit sad having to say good bye to something just cause the higher ups had an issue that we never got to decide on how they acted upon it, as consumers)? Generally though, I just think that, if someones already come up with an idea, why the fuck do we need to come up with that same idea again but under a new brand name? From my utilitarian perspective, I see it as pointless, and the only reason this stuff happens, is because of capitalism, which creates needless competition between Social Media A and Social Media B, cause without it, there's less profit to be made. They couldn't give a shit less about the consumer, any changes made, are only because they want more money... And these changes would be a lot faster if TH-cam and all the other social media companies actually cared about the userbase... Or maybe there are some people who do, but they're not the ones in control of these social media companies... Who knows!? I don't. 3:02 Oh, Stake's the one who owns Kick... Almost forgot that they existed! Oh boy, their business model definitely will continue to give them flack, if anyone else remembers that they were a crypto company, and the issues that come with crypto as a whole as it currently stands - that being that its basically gambling your cash to see if you can pump and dump it all out quickly enough before everyone else does so!
I'm not that familiar with the economics here....but I really don't understand how that XQC deal can be (legally) profitable for Kick.... smells fishy to me. But time will always tell.
I recently made account on Kick, but have no idea who to watch there, I usually watched smaller creators on Twitch, like Geuguessr streamers, some smaller speedrunners etc.
Im just saying yes twitch has issues but seriously the news that kick is backed by a cryptocurrency casino is worrying especially how many of these crypto companies has been caught scamming people out of money etc
This whole Kick situation is a direct result of Twitch's incompetency. They had everything they needed to pretty much dominate the gaming stream market, but they sat on their success and worse than that, kept making dumb decisions for absolutely no reason.
Twitch is a showcase service for Amazon to show off the performance and stability of AWS. They'd like if it made money, but even if it doesn't make money it's a powerful demonstration of AWS to massive corporate clients, one they can show extensive reports for.
I tried kick out when It was in beta back in october its pretty nice and it just keeps getting better. at least kick will never have a twitch staff member that thinks hes a deer
I hope this works to actually make some competition but looking back on padt deals like this it usually doesn't translate to regular viewers, it usually just means people will watch those creators on that platform and then dip the moment they stop streaming
@@Vaultboythefightingmachine I don't know if you are in character or not. But either way doesn't matter, if someone doesn't care about my opinion they can just ignore me. After all, I am just another random person on the internet.
regarding 1:51 - I'm okay with youtube not innovating. Just be good at being youtube and serve up video and music on the cheap and be good at it. Thats literally all I need from youtube.
Kick has a long way to go. Besides the fact their interface isn't great, they have a huge amount of legal liability. The first thing XQC did after getting his contract with Kick was he streamed a movie. I don't mean clips, I mean they streamed a whole fucking movie. The legal liability of that goes beyond the value he brings to Kick as a platform. Kick has a reputation of being sketchy. That reputation isn't going away when they start off their new contract with a major copyright infringement. If this ends with a lawsuit against Kick, it defeats the purpose of signing on bigger names.
i've checked kick not too long ago, several times throughout the day and while I do want healthy competition to take out twitch, in all honesty the amount of streamers who are on kick isn't really surprising, i know you mentioned over 5k viewers in gta rp, i checked it and there were like 10 streamers on that category, 1 of them was pulling a little over 5k while the others were 10 viewer andys, the 5k guy was arabian so good luck understanding that...again...not impressive.. i checked my favorite categories...mainly pokemon...man was i dissapointed...only 200 viewers in all categories...numbers can be deceiving guys...kick right now is only making waves because muta, x, amouranth and cr1tikal talk about it, they need to reach out to even more smaller streamers to really pull them in, problem is twitch is still keeping them, or rather...these streamers are still feeling a web sticky connection to twitch and see no reason whatsoever to leave, it's not like small streamers see much of a benefit to jump to kick...they probably see it as a negative because while on twitch they got their 100 to 400 view count, they see it as a very risky potentially lose lose situation if they just jump ship to kick and lose like 90% of their viewership... until those guys leave, twitch is still king in the monopoly, because 95% of all streamers on twitch are small streamers with 10 to 500 viewers.
I suppose anyone struggling to be discovered on Twitch may have a better chance on Kick due to the viewership of some games being lower. I likely explained that wrong I feel
Why? Some of us are still there. I can't stream here on YT (Need 1k subs and I barely have 250 combined over two channels even if this one's over a decade old) and I'm not moving to another place with A Bad Reputation just because the one place I know of that lets you start from nothing is gone. Sorry I'm not affected by The Money Problems but I'm not restarting my progress somewhere unknown even if it's ONLY been two and a bit years.
@@Roadent1241 Also its puts alot of people out of the job for Twitch who are really talented who is passionate for the site also indirectly removes competition which will lead to back to the same situlation of have only a monopoly site for stream
@@octanegamer1576Maybe don't rely on something so insecure for a stable income. That's how I see it and this goes for any online platform. You don't have the capital big streamers do.
Yes because people are absolutely not lining up to earn a full time salary from playing video games…. I think people vastly overestimate the value of streamers. Content creators I’ll give a bit more respect to but ultimately if they use 3rd world editors to shit out videos it’s only 1 layer of effort more than streamers.
One difference that'd also probably impacting the cost and financial viability of Kick vs Twitch is the # of employees. Twitch has over 1,100 employees, while Kick has somewhere in the 10-50 range (hard to specifically tell.) So the operating cost is likely so significantly lower that they can afford the better sub split because they have something like 97% less overhead from employees. That said, I'm sure Stake backing is also a big factor. But it's not like Kick has the same operating cost that Twitch does, which likely does give them some degree of flexibility vs Twitch which struggles to make a profit even with ad revenue.
It would have died the same way , unless it actually put the effort Kick did . What has Mixer done to truly attract people ? They just gave Ninja (and a few others) money hoping people would follow him . Kick does have real incentives , on top of being an unregulated Far West
Ayo Muta this is unrelated, but I saw you getting mentioned in Philipine national TV for reporting Quiboloy's channel and getting it deleted 😂🎉🙏Mad Respect bro!
My prediction: Sec won’t do anything for a few years, streamers will get the bag, then SEC will decide to act. Kick will then start burning cash flow at a massive rate, and go out of business, the kick streamers will go back to twitch, and loose half of their followers.
Lol no. Sure if twitch fixes their shit in the meantime, but otherwise I would see the majority of them burning the bridge by to twitch and switching wholely to TH-cam
I see a lot of people are excited for Kick, but I don't trust them. If they hardly make anything from ads or streamer revenue, I don't know how Kick expects to pay for the massive server space they'll need. They're entirely banking on the crypto gambling side, which I can't imagine will last forever. Kick reeks of major "tech bro" vibes to me. However, Twitch does indeed suck, and it's a joy seeing them finally being confronted with serious competition (besides YT of course). For years, they've been amazingly incompetent in basically every way, and they'd get away with it because there was simply nowhere else for us to go. Will they finally start to improve now? I have my doubts, but it's a nice thought at least. Either way, this is the shakeup we've long needed. In short, there are no real good guys here. I miss Mixer, even if it wasn't perfect.
i mean in my honest opinion i feel like if kick didnt gloat about having adin ross on the platform, or gave him a place to speak i wouldnt personally have a problem with kick as a platform
@@rami8896 respect free speech = allowing a big streamer to tell people to kill themselves, him telling his viewers to slit their sisters throats while they sleep and he would pay them... Yea seems like a pretty good place to be
Did you forget Amazon/AWS and Parler? Amazon just needs the SEC/FTC to hint that Kick's involvement with crypto/gambling is problematic and they'll be inclined to yeet Kick. That would suck since Twitch and other platforms need some real competition but unless Kick is busy building its own infrastructure to handle such a probability from AWS they're building their business on a foundation of sand.
It still does my head in just how massive the xQc deal is. I sincerely hope this gambit pays off. Lord knows that Twitch needs to feel that impending doom of not being the biggest streaming platform on the internet.
@9:47 - Minor correction, not every regulator in the world, mostly just the US's FTC and the UK's CMA, pretty much the rest of the world is completely chill with MS acquiring ActiBlizz. But, yea, the FTC is desperate to get a 'W' by preventing this(because all they've done is taken 'L's since this administration's people were put in, they've been trying some ridiculous nonsense that the courts haven't put up with), and Amazon most certainly doesn't want to attract their attention(the FTC's head has a hard-on for going after big companies just cuz they're big).
@@asschezch Gambling destroys lives and I would not be comfortable getting payed by a company that does that. I simply cannot get past that fact and as much as I dislike Twitch I like it more than Kick because at least they're not funded by gambling money. If you ask me I hope they both fail and someone third comes up.
@@levi7581 i dont think a streaming service can exist without some sort of backing due to the extremely slim profit margins due to the fact of hosting streams is extremely expensive, the sheer amount of processing power needed for it is crazy. people with prior addiction problems should not gamble and yet they do. if there is a market for it people will supply.
Kick could go down in flames with how much money is being broadcasted. The feds will definitely look into the legitimacy of the service. But this also showcases that twitch needs to compete with its users if it wants to stay
kick isnt based in america.....feds cant really do much considering the servers arent here either and are iin a place where the feds cant do anything about it
I really hope every alternative site use this as an advantage to get better. Like it's time because if we can jump on indie games and make them popular then we should do the same with indie and alternative things. I'm not forcing anyone to do it because there's reason why people don't go to those places but still it's a choice that everyone makes.
I feel like Kick is at a slight disadvantage because of one certain individual. But then again, Twitch also has it fair share of problematic individuals as well.
The xQc deal is the difference maker in the industry. He’s the top dog. His deal is the one that’s truly turning heads. And his fanbase is way more loyal than Ninja and Shroud (about mixer moves)
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I tried out kick the past few days and love it i got a consent 5 views and got raided by another channel I actually enjoyed it ive tried on twitch streaming to literally no one talking to myself
Twitch feels like they really do abuse the fact that they are a monopoly.
Glad to see a competitor on the rise
@@Vaultboythefightingmachine How about you take your own advice?
@@Jared_Logan Nobody cares zip it little girl
@@Vaultboythefightingmachine go take a advil or something bro
@@mdegauss Fatherless behavior you should know better
@@Jared_Logan it's a gimmick account don't fall for it
Competition is key for a healthier market for the consumer, no matter the industry. If Twitch can't get their shit together, then why not more sites come up and take a piece of pie for themselves?
I hope this threatens TH-cam too.
Imagine if content creators didn't have to spend half of their days fighting TH-cam's BS
@@rompevuevitos222 There's so many competitors that you probably know about already (Odysee, BitChute) that have existed for years but you're too lazy or complacent to switch. This is coming from someone who's also too lazy and complacent to switch.
@@friendofp.24it just doesn't have the feel of something that was made for us, but rather a thrown together attempt to grab cash quick.
@@rompevuevitos222youtube has a monthly userbase of over 2 billion ppl, i dont think this will ever get threatened except by like, tiktok
@@friendofp.24 As someone who involves themselves in these alt video sharing sites, it's too much of a commitment to switch to be fair. You will get an audience, sure, but you'll hardly find any decent content on these platforms that aren't political or abhorrent nightmares. Vanillo is doing relatively well in it's own field but could do well with a few more content creators joining, given their more stricter and more moderated platform as compared to the likes of VidLii or Odysee.
Kick might be a strong competitor even with it's ties to gambling and controversial figure Adin Ross being on the platform.
Watching corporations take Ls will always be something extremely cathartic.
Also, HEY @Pissedoffvaultboy NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. NO ONE. BE QUIET FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE PLEASE.
Once Kick has to start cracking down on the rules, and it will start to happen soon with more and more eyes on it, people will start to slow and THEN we will see if Kick has longevity or not.
They have been cracking down on rules for about 3 months now especially after being added to the app store in line with the Apple Terms Of Service.
Kick has just been blacklisted in Greece. Denmark and the Netherlands will soon follow. Kick has no future in Europe.
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With gambling backing up Kick, they don't have to worry about shareholders, if they have any. However greed will certainly get into Kick's head and do exactly like Twitch is doing now.
kick will become hypercapitalist.
“Greed get into Kick’s head” , They already based on a crypto gambling lol
That's the reason why I'm not totally sold with Kick being a serious competitor, I don't want to support cryptobros, even if they're playing field against Twitch.
The fact they are dropping such numbers on signing people to stream there is alarming because they will expect to see that return. So I think your right it will be hyper monetized in the future when they have the base.
They gotta worry about the Federal Government instead. That's why Twitch banned the gambling stuff in the first place. It will turn them 21 and Up. That's gonna lose out on a large chunk of the Audience.
Pokimane in this clip is the definition of: Tell me you have no idea what you are talking without tell me that.
It's weird, she's a smart buisnesswoman, why would she make such a stupid claim?
@@enthiegavoir5955she aint a business woman lol. She has an entire team behind her, to deal with business and promotions..... And i wouldnt really call her smart either, with stupid claims like that, she also had a lot of stupid claims in the past.....But ofcourse the part about her being smart or not, is just my opinion
Pokimane is cancer grade cringe.
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@@enthiegavoir5955if she knew absolutely anything about the website she’s built her entire livelihood on she wouldn’t have said something as moronic as that, how embarrassing
@@enthiegavoir5955 She like TO SAY shes a smart businesswomen. But when you fall back on a team of people and the fact you are Moroccan you tend to loose sight of reality like that.
Hopefully it's not another Mixer situation. I was a partner on Mixer and let me tell you they worked hard for their downfall. I hope Kick puts Twitch in their rear view mirror.
Mixer bought Ninja annd stop caring. Stake gets full return just farming gambling. Unless the US and Europe crack down on online casinos its gonna be here awhile.
@@killemkillua I agree with that!
Mixer came in the worst time, when twitch was at its highest during the pandemic. This is the lowest point for twitch, and the best time for a competitor to swoop in and take a piece of the pie.
Give me more info about mixer plz, im very interested
@@Tnscla Long story short. It was a promising and genuine platform until they got some major recognition. They got greedy and forgot about all of the streamers who helped build it. And it became stagnant.
I think my favorite part of all this is twitch staff going into streams to make total assholes out of themselves.
@@Vaultboythefightingmachineget back in your vault
Can't wait for them to come into mine for Too Boring To Monetise even if I wanted to give them details XD 'm just there f'fun and to let people see a BTS of game making.
I can snark. Their move.
Banger contents lol
@@Roadent1241what's your twitch channel? I've been looking for good programming content but have been struggling lately
@@prjr852same let us know - i saw one dude with like a fish avatar that was doing some solid modeling if you need that name i can get that for you
Having a gambling site as financial backing might be less morally problematic than Amazon... which is just further proof that we live in a society.
Yeah they theoretically have an infinite amount of money because gambling will never fall off
I’m pretty sure Kick uses Amazon Web Services to host their streaming site. So how about no. It’s not less problematic.
Lefty streamers: KICK IS BACKED BY FASCISTS
Me: Bro you take slave money from Amazon.
@@fav843 You: I think left vs right is a thing in the Billionaires club.
Me: Look at this brainwashed moron.
It will BE more of a Problem because of that Gambling Pipeline. I expect the Government to jump in within a year due to laws with Gambling. Age Restriction, it will become 21 and Up with mandatory age verification.
Between xQc and Amouranth, yeah, this could send a STRONG message to Twitch and Amazon about their greedy ways of "doing business" and how out of touch they are with the streamers and the fans.
It depends on how many viewers they permanently lose. There are tons of nerds playing video of games and tons of sluts hanging out in bikinis... "fans" of either still have plenty of the same kind of content on twitch so you really dont need to leave
Also not to use your monopoly as a political tool.
Or nothing actually happens and new people come up and fill those gaps. Same way Ninja and Stroud left Twitch and other people (like Xqc) reaped the rewards of new audience members.
If Jerma and Ninja move over there Twitch is done
@@Danny01474twitch copium that guy is huffing. XQC 2019-2022 was the top guy for gaming and Amouanth was the just chatting streamer those 2 easily got hundreds of thousands of not a few million views weekly and now that’s on kick.
Someone should also ask how much Pokimane is paying for that purple twitch koolaid
I have my doubts about Kick, but it's still good to have someone to give them some competition.
Competition good for business but anything that related with gambling is red flag
The thing is Kick is supported by streamers streaming gambling, which feeds money back to Stake when viewers gamble on Stake’s sites. Stake/Kick doesn’t need nor have to bow down to advertisers, their engine is fuelled by gambling.
Kick is worse than Twitch, if its business is connected to gambling. I don't trust that site.
@@thingsiplay Twitch is connected to soft porn
There's no difference. At least kick isn't pushing it on to kids
the company that owns kick dont rly lean on gambling too much for their site i think, but hopefully they would continue that
@@thingsiplaydon’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing (unless you’re one of those that view all gambling as unethical).
Lotteries are used by Canadian provinces to gain more money without raising actual taxes. Those who don’t want to pay extra money to the government won’t, and those who do get a game with a chance to win big money.
If a similar system can be implemented into online services (with restrictions on who can gamble, which I believe is already legally required), this can bypass the advertiser pressure driven “shitification” trend present in most other social media.
@@user-xl5kd6il6c I am talking about gambling, not soft porn. These are two different subjects. We should not compete in these terms whats' worse, gambling or soft porn? Also These services are not only used by kids.
Kick is not the competition I want.
Hopefully Kick can succeed where Mixer failed.
As long they change or make improvemet of and separation of gambling streaming form normal steaming (entering a gambling channel must be 21 years and older type of restriction)
Seeing streamers FINALLY get called out on their blatant copyright infringements is BEAUTIFUL
I love how pokimane can be, nearly every time, out of touch 😂
She has a point but it's just misstated.
@@MistyKathrine she has no point you're just trying to make her shit make sense
@@somerandomontheinternet5845 Kick uses the same back end as Twitch. That's her point but she misstated it.
@@MistyKathrine That is just a statement tho? So what if they use the same back end, at the end of the day twitch isnt getting any extra money from kick using AWS (amazon streaming services). Why would amazon (the company that owns twitch) give twitch money for other companies using amazons services?
@@MistyKathrine i love how his video is late and he never mentions her updated comments
Don't be shy, do the Muta shaker
Shake that Muta . I know you can do it. Take your hands off and shake that shit.
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just do everyone a favor and stop talking permanently 😂 you useless waste of air
Its good to see a competitor to Twitch, but on the other hand, the competition is Kick.
Not exactly the best outcome.
@@Vaultboythefightingmachineat glass
Kick hasnt even been out 1 year. Remember how twitch started as justin tv? It was racist as fuuuck and cringy
Kick will fail, every twitch competitor failed before and Kick will be one of them.
@@AllMustJumpnot with a big crypto gambling site backing it up
@@AllMustJumptry rumble
Gotta love when Pokimane opens her mouth and just talks about stuff she does not know or understand
Qui Gon Jinn once said : The ability to speak doe snot make you intelligent" 😄😄😄
Pokimane makes my Tube Stake Twitch...
I've worked with AWS at the enterprise level, where they have engineers from the company on call with you talking to you about your infrastructure setup, and they're CLEARLY an entity independent of Amazon in management. They would 100% NEVER remove Amazon's competitors and I would absolutely drop them as a platform if they did anything like that
When twitch replacement was a platform made by gambling site, that the internet world we live in
unregulated crypto gambling, as others would say, unfair competitor.
While I'm not keen on a platform funded by Stake, I'd be lying if I said some decent Twitch competition wasn't overdue. For now, let's hope Kick doesn't get Old Yellered like Mixer.
Amazon already denied websites and broke contract whenever competitors got too big so I wouldn't put it past them to do it again
It really couldn't be a coincidence I just got a Kick advertisement that was also slamming on Twitch when I clicked your video. That's just too perfect.
If Twitch is paying AWS a discounted rate for services, that's an anti-trust violation. My understanding is Twitch has to pay published rates and that's part of why it's bleeding money.
Twitch had a huge monopoly on live-streaming that any competition should never have had any major competitors. The fact that kick even managed to become a serious competitor should be a wake up call for how bad twitch is.
*Reddit gets hacked and their info is held for $4.5 million dollars ransom*
Muta: *Makes a video about Twitch*
I feel like I missed a significant event...
He’s not obligated to make a video abt reddit
Wait fr?
who cares if a redditor gets his info stolen lmao. People get their info stolen every day and held for outrageous ransoms. You want Muta to make a video about every J walker in LA?
Wait a few hours. He'll probably drop a vid on it soon. Might be a double upload kind of day for our fat Indian Tech Bro.
Btw Netflix is also using AWS, Amazon also doesnt kick off Netflix, even though they also have Amazon Prime Video, their own streaming service.
I really hope kick ends up working out itll open up smaller channels to growth at least for a small window of time at the beginning
It would be good to see TH-cam having competition to fix their shitty changes
Right now there are more people streaming Casino and slots on Twitch (~38k + ~25k) than on Kick (~45k). Sure Twitch banned it, but they dont enforce anything. Only when it comes to big creators, but Twitch doesn't want to lose that watchtime that comes with casinos too. Don't really see that big of a moral high ground on Twitch's side. Especially if you think about Amazon being their corporate sponsor.
And I don't know if I was just lucky but I never got any ads about casinos or slots on Kick. They are backed by some shady crypto stuff, but that site is weirdly staying away from showing any casino ads. I bet it will come in the future, when enough people followed their favorite Creator to that site, but right now I'm kinda rooting for Kick. Twitch is just not transparent enough with their creators, especially when it comes to things that got you banned (I mean come on... live secks on stream and only 7 days ban??? but some other creators get permabanned for the most ridiculous stuff). Kinda like TH-cam is doing with that monetization thing. Maybe this whole stuff going on right now leads to more changes in every streaming site making them all more fair for the creators. Well... I can dream..
Correcting Pokimane is always time well spent.
It's about damn time there was a competitor on the rise. There's been too much shit going on with Twitch. That's if Kick doesn't go down in flames like almost every other alternative has. Looking at you, Mixer.
Kick is already doing miles better than Mixer so there’s definitely a chance
Competition is always good, I don't get why these bigass companies think monopolies become too big to fail.
It’s like choosing between two Evils, one evil filled incompetent staff, crazy rulings, and so many anti consumer decisions being made. While the other evil is funded by gambling addicts, a site that isn’t guaranteed ad revenue due to its nature as a site with loose rules and mods. It’s definitely a sticky situation and honestly I’m not gonna blame any developer me for choosing kick for more money
Competition is great and I can't wait to see more companies challenged.
3:23 .....how?? What are they doing differently?
Any type of ads? Subscription services?
What's brining in the money?
Or what's lowering the cost?
Because the streaming is not the main source of money. Stake is. Twitch depends entirely on ads and sub splits which they let streamers circumvent by letting streamers get ads without cutting twitch in the deal and direct donations again without cutting twitch in the deal
I'm happy I don't have to see 10 minutes of unskippable ads. I can go to a livestream and check it out without interruptions
9:34 ... as someone who works in Antitrust, that's the best way to describe this field 🤣🤣🤣
I'm glad to see Twitch getting some competition, but I wish it wasn't a place like Kick
7:37 This is why I follow Muta, someone who understand how cloud/AWS is utilize.
I wouldn't have a problem with kick if it was genuinely created to be a competitor to twitch instead of a literal cash cow for stake, the gambling site that funds kick.
The entire reason that kick was created was because trainwreckstv, the mastermind behind it, got so mad that twitch banned gambling off their website, that he had to go and create a completely new platform just to gamble. He lost all his viewership because of it and was stakes biggest proponent, which is why he teamed up with stake to make its own independent entity. Why would stake even fund kick if train didnt promise them that it would lead to higher influx of users and revenue for them? All of these high profile signings and promises of better streaming wages and freedoms are simply just to drive viewership and in turn increase profit for stake. Like no matter what anyone says you cant deny why kick was created and that it completely promotes gambling. Like I hate defending twitch and I agree that its gotten worse over time, but atleast its not so blatant as to outright promote an actual problem.
Give us a livestreaming service with the "benefits" that kick is promoting and the functional platform that twitch has created, without the promition of real world issues, and we have an actual replacement for twitch.
Honestly your channel is the only channel that I watch that always has videos that are interesting
Pokimane needs to pay someone to tell her she’s wrong whenever she makes a dumb claim
2:17 If the purpose for a product that is literally the same as the other product, is to be competition to make sure the other product doesn't innovate... Then its safe to say that the product works perfectly fine, its just that, well, in the cases of TH-cam, Twitch, Facebook, Twitter, etc, they will eventually become defective, if given enough time. My opinions on the matter though, is that if something an't broke, then we're not looking hard enough for issues, or perhaps we're ignoring issues in the first place with our product, regardless of the existence of competition... and its even more likely that we have a blindspot or just don't have the motivation to improve our product anymore - maybe we should hand over our product to someone else(afterall its either this or, well, thousands of peoples files get deleted as the social media itself is deleted and we decide to move onto a different one, or maybe instead we hand people harddrives with all their user data on it, I dunno, I guess it could work, but it'd also be a bit sad having to say good bye to something just cause the higher ups had an issue that we never got to decide on how they acted upon it, as consumers)?
Generally though, I just think that, if someones already come up with an idea, why the fuck do we need to come up with that same idea again but under a new brand name? From my utilitarian perspective, I see it as pointless, and the only reason this stuff happens, is because of capitalism, which creates needless competition between Social Media A and Social Media B, cause without it, there's less profit to be made. They couldn't give a shit less about the consumer, any changes made, are only because they want more money... And these changes would be a lot faster if TH-cam and all the other social media companies actually cared about the userbase... Or maybe there are some people who do, but they're not the ones in control of these social media companies... Who knows!? I don't.
3:02 Oh, Stake's the one who owns Kick... Almost forgot that they existed! Oh boy, their business model definitely will continue to give them flack, if anyone else remembers that they were a crypto company, and the issues that come with crypto as a whole as it currently stands - that being that its basically gambling your cash to see if you can pump and dump it all out quickly enough before everyone else does so!
I'm not that familiar with the economics here....but I really don't understand how that XQC deal can be (legally) profitable for Kick.... smells fishy to me. But time will always tell.
Ah you adressed it. I was wondering whats up with that.
Muta corrected pokemane publically. It's been nice knowing you.
I don’t know how much this is bringing in for Kick, but they are one of Alfa Romeo Formula One team’s main sponsors on the car.
Cringe mf
I recently made account on Kick, but have no idea who to watch there, I usually watched smaller creators on Twitch, like Geuguessr streamers, some smaller speedrunners etc.
Im just saying yes twitch has issues but seriously the news that kick is backed by a cryptocurrency casino is worrying especially how many of these crypto companies has been caught scamming people out of money etc
Feds and SEC would be interested in investigating them at this rate.
@@KhanWolf95 exactly, the placed a target in their backs when they signed the 100m deal
The only thing i seem to like about Kick is the 95% to 5% payrate as in the creator gets 95% profit and Kick gets 5% of the profit.
This whole Kick situation is a direct result of Twitch's incompetency. They had everything they needed to pretty much dominate the gaming stream market, but they sat on their success and worse than that, kept making dumb decisions for absolutely no reason.
Twitch is a showcase service for Amazon to show off the performance and stability of AWS. They'd like if it made money, but even if it doesn't make money it's a powerful demonstration of AWS to massive corporate clients, one they can show extensive reports for.
Pokimane really tried to save face after using an argument that only wouldve made sense if she believed what she said.
Oh boy, how did she decide to backpedal?
I tried kick out when It was in beta back in october its pretty nice and it just keeps getting better. at least kick will never have a twitch staff member that thinks hes a deer
The biggest motivator in innovation is fear. Twitch is feeling the heat as it should.
I hope this works to actually make some competition but looking back on padt deals like this it usually doesn't translate to regular viewers, it usually just means people will watch those creators on that platform and then dip the moment they stop streaming
Ahh.. another Pokimaine moment, no further explainations needed.
@@Vaultboythefightingmachine I don't know if you are in character or not. But either way doesn't matter, if someone doesn't care about my opinion they can just ignore me. After all, I am just another random person on the internet.
regarding 1:51 - I'm okay with youtube not innovating. Just be good at being youtube and serve up video and music on the cheap and be good at it. Thats literally all I need from youtube.
xqc proves yet again that you don't need to be smart to be rich and famous.
Another great reason if for whatever reason you watch Poki, to only watch her on mute.
Pokimane not knowing the fuck she's talking about doesn't surprise me lol.
Worst part with xqc streaming a movie is his chat was probably spamming for him to stop and he just kept ignoring it.
Dude just made millions he could care less what his fans said.
Kick has a long way to go.
Besides the fact their interface isn't great, they have a huge amount of legal liability.
The first thing XQC did after getting his contract with Kick was he streamed a movie. I don't mean clips, I mean they streamed a whole fucking movie. The legal liability of that goes beyond the value he brings to Kick as a platform.
Kick has a reputation of being sketchy. That reputation isn't going away when they start off their new contract with a major copyright infringement. If this ends with a lawsuit against Kick, it defeats the purpose of signing on bigger names.
Oh yeah. Kick is gonna get majorly fucked, when the EU and the US starts cracking down on gambling sites.
i've checked kick not too long ago, several times throughout the day and while I do want healthy competition to take out twitch, in all honesty the amount of streamers who are on kick isn't really surprising, i know you mentioned over 5k viewers in gta rp, i checked it and there were like 10 streamers on that category, 1 of them was pulling a little over 5k while the others were 10 viewer andys, the 5k guy was arabian so good luck understanding that...again...not impressive..
i checked my favorite categories...mainly pokemon...man was i dissapointed...only 200 viewers in all categories...numbers can be deceiving guys...kick right now is only making waves because muta, x, amouranth and cr1tikal talk about it, they need to reach out to even more smaller streamers to really pull them in, problem is twitch is still keeping them, or rather...these streamers are still feeling a web sticky connection to twitch and see no reason whatsoever to leave, it's not like small streamers see much of a benefit to jump to kick...they probably see it as a negative because while on twitch they got their 100 to 400 view count, they see it as a very risky potentially lose lose situation if they just jump ship to kick and lose like 90% of their viewership...
until those guys leave, twitch is still king in the monopoly, because 95% of all streamers on twitch are small streamers with 10 to 500 viewers.
I suppose anyone struggling to be discovered on Twitch may have a better chance on Kick due to the viewership of some games being lower. I likely explained that wrong I feel
my main concern with kick is that it basically layout wise is a 1:1 copy of twitch, other than the follow and browse in the top left being flipped
I think its crazy how this happens again; I think we need to see them develop the site much less we see a fall out just like mixer
Competition is good, I just wish that competition was from a company that didn’t exclusively make the platform to get kids addicted to gambling.
Praying for Twitch’s downfall🙏
Why? Some of us are still there. I can't stream here on YT (Need 1k subs and I barely have 250 combined over two channels even if this one's over a decade old) and I'm not moving to another place with A Bad Reputation just because the one place I know of that lets you start from nothing is gone.
Sorry I'm not affected by The Money Problems but I'm not restarting my progress somewhere unknown even if it's ONLY been two and a bit years.
@@Roadent1241 Also its puts alot of people out of the job for Twitch who are really talented who is passionate for the site also indirectly removes competition which will lead to back to the same situlation of have only a monopoly site for stream
@@octanegamer1576Maybe don't rely on something so insecure for a stable income. That's how I see it and this goes for any online platform. You don't have the capital big streamers do.
I pray too 🙏... Put that where it belongs, into the 🚮
"I love competition" at the same time "Praying for Twitch downfall"
Oh, he got the smarts....
Love this guys journalism. Straight forward and not bias.
Twitch is nothing without its streamers
there will ALWAYS be more streamers, though. There are more streamers than there are twitchs. Twitch has all the leverage.
Nobody cares zip it little girl
Yes because people are absolutely not lining up to earn a full time salary from playing video games…. I think people vastly overestimate the value of streamers. Content creators I’ll give a bit more respect to but ultimately if they use 3rd world editors to shit out videos it’s only 1 layer of effort more than streamers.
no shit
One difference that'd also probably impacting the cost and financial viability of Kick vs Twitch is the # of employees. Twitch has over 1,100 employees, while Kick has somewhere in the 10-50 range (hard to specifically tell.) So the operating cost is likely so significantly lower that they can afford the better sub split because they have something like 97% less overhead from employees. That said, I'm sure Stake backing is also a big factor. But it's not like Kick has the same operating cost that Twitch does, which likely does give them some degree of flexibility vs Twitch which struggles to make a profit even with ad revenue.
Imagine if Mixer delayed and released now instead of when it did?
It would have died the same way , unless it actually put the effort Kick did . What has Mixer done to truly attract people ? They just gave Ninja (and a few others) money hoping people would follow him . Kick does have real incentives , on top of being an unregulated Far West
Ayo Muta this is unrelated, but I saw you getting mentioned in Philipine national TV for reporting Quiboloy's channel and getting it deleted 😂🎉🙏Mad Respect bro!
My prediction: Sec won’t do anything for a few years, streamers will get the bag, then SEC will decide to act. Kick will then start burning cash flow at a massive rate, and go out of business, the kick streamers will go back to twitch, and loose half of their followers.
Lol no. Sure if twitch fixes their shit in the meantime, but otherwise I would see the majority of them burning the bridge by to twitch and switching wholely to TH-cam
Rubmle as alterative route
@@MrTheinfoman is rumble even a good alternative? I would consider but like leafy over there making me wanna think twice lol
@@raysyndrome7209 then agian TH-cam has same thing but more PC bs
Who is Sec?
For each video, do a shot everytime he says 'Ladies & Gentleman' and you'll be plastered before the first two minutes. 🤣
I see a lot of people are excited for Kick, but I don't trust them. If they hardly make anything from ads or streamer revenue, I don't know how Kick expects to pay for the massive server space they'll need. They're entirely banking on the crypto gambling side, which I can't imagine will last forever. Kick reeks of major "tech bro" vibes to me.
However, Twitch does indeed suck, and it's a joy seeing them finally being confronted with serious competition (besides YT of course). For years, they've been amazingly incompetent in basically every way, and they'd get away with it because there was simply nowhere else for us to go. Will they finally start to improve now? I have my doubts, but it's a nice thought at least. Either way, this is the shakeup we've long needed.
In short, there are no real good guys here. I miss Mixer, even if it wasn't perfect.
Mixer : not perfect but I miss it
Twitch : not perfect but I want it to go away
Makes sense
i mean in my honest opinion i feel like if kick didnt gloat about having adin ross on the platform, or gave him a place to speak i wouldnt personally have a problem with kick as a platform
Of course Poki will defend Twitch, they basically lick her toes
@@rami8896 respect free speech = allowing a big streamer to tell people to kill themselves, him telling his viewers to slit their sisters throats while they sleep and he would pay them...
Yea seems like a pretty good place to be
Did you forget Amazon/AWS and Parler? Amazon just needs the SEC/FTC to hint that Kick's involvement with crypto/gambling is problematic and they'll be inclined to yeet Kick. That would suck since Twitch and other platforms need some real competition but unless Kick is busy building its own infrastructure to handle such a probability from AWS they're building their business on a foundation of sand.
It still does my head in just how massive the xQc deal is. I sincerely hope this gambit pays off. Lord knows that Twitch needs to feel that impending doom of not being the biggest streaming platform on the internet.
@9:47 - Minor correction, not every regulator in the world, mostly just the US's FTC and the UK's CMA, pretty much the rest of the world is completely chill with MS acquiring ActiBlizz. But, yea, the FTC is desperate to get a 'W' by preventing this(because all they've done is taken 'L's since this administration's people were put in, they've been trying some ridiculous nonsense that the courts haven't put up with), and Amazon most certainly doesn't want to attract their attention(the FTC's head has a hard-on for going after big companies just cuz they're big).
Imagine being the face of Twitch and not even knowing how it works.
AWS, Microsoft Cloud Services, and Google cloud services are some wild monopolic orgs
kick is gonna be a good platform i bet
😂
Competition is awesome but not from some gambling company that seeks to abuse people and drain them out of everything they've got.
they are literally just providing a service that people have a CHOICE to use, is a fast food chain gonna try to make people go on a diet no?
@@asschezch Gambling destroys lives and I would not be comfortable getting payed by a company that does that. I simply cannot get past that fact and as much as I dislike Twitch I like it more than Kick because at least they're not funded by gambling money. If you ask me I hope they both fail and someone third comes up.
@@levi7581 i dont think a streaming service can exist without some sort of backing due to the extremely slim profit margins due to the fact of hosting streams is extremely expensive, the sheer amount of processing power needed for it is crazy. people with prior addiction problems should not gamble and yet they do. if there is a market for it people will supply.
Kick could go down in flames with how much money is being broadcasted. The feds will definitely look into the legitimacy of the service. But this also showcases that twitch needs to compete with its users if it wants to stay
kick isnt based in america.....feds cant really do much considering the servers arent here either and are iin a place where the feds cant do anything about it
@@imwithyou38 If it's in the nine eyes then they can, but I'm assuming they're not considering they are dealing with crypto in 2023
@@James_Sunderland_ yea, you use cyrpto and excahnge it for their own points if i remember correctly
ayy bro thanks for shouting out Quibuloys cult youtube shutting down his channel is one step closer to ending his bullshit. thank you
i love how ruthless he was to Pokimane 🤣🤣
hopefully she never sees this bc she does hold grudges
Muta would absolutely destory any argument pokimane tried to use on him
Awesome as always keep it up God bless you♥🙏
xQc getting 100m for a non exclusive deal to do reaction content while eating is wild, Twitch is dying from dumb choices
@@Vaultboythefightingmachine No one cares that you don’t care. End of conversation.
@@EnsignPhoenixNobody cares zip it little girl
@juan6297 imagine using the words cringe bozo, lmao
I don't watch streams anyways so i don't care who wins. Watching muta is like cofee to me.
Twitch: Company that makes dumb decisions and most of the time it's a common Twitch L.
@@Vaultboythefightingmachine Are you a gimmick account?
@@Vaultboythefightingmachine Ok
I really hope every alternative site use this as an advantage to get better. Like it's time because if we can jump on indie games and make them popular then we should do the same with indie and alternative things. I'm not forcing anyone to do it because there's reason why people don't go to those places but still it's a choice that everyone makes.
Im so glad you debunked pokimane's smooth brain take lol
We all know who's going to win, the platform with the best chest streamers. Muta is definitely number 1 in that category.
I feel like Kick is at a slight disadvantage because of one certain individual. But then again, Twitch also has it fair share of problematic individuals as well.
Kick doesn't have the financial backing of one of the biggest companies on Earth.
@@Clay3613yes it does LMFAO
@@Clay3613 And the dumbest take goes to....
@@Clay3613 you must be still in grade school
@@Clay3613muta literally said kick it's backed by stake, a billion dollar company.
The xQc deal is the difference maker in the industry. He’s the top dog. His deal is the one that’s truly turning heads. And his fanbase is way more loyal than Ninja and Shroud (about mixer moves)