When I read a prominent AI advocator say that "90% of media will become AI in 5 years", I immediately felt peace knowing that AI was going to eat itself into a pile of self regurgitating slop.
Well, i think. In the future so many things can be done with mind( like some sort of AI model, like music art or games). So i also agree with this reality. Maybe not tomorrow but that day will come. Maybe 5 years mayeb 10 years maybe 30 years. :/ I am not defending any AI. I wish internet will be itself forever but this is life.
@@jatrenoto AI just feels like that thing that tech bros and huge companies think is the next "big thing" that will just flop due to the huge amount of overhype and with overhype comes less critical thinking
@@ronel7836 While I can't stand AI, I do believe that it will actually be a big thing, at least for the next few years to come. I hope it flops. So far, most of what I've seen it do is make people dumber and enforce their unrealistic ideas/beliefs. People are growing ridiculously lazy, and I'm a truly lazy type of guy, so me saying that has some meaning to it. But I'll never be too lazy to actually Google something and find information myself, rather than getting a glorified chatbot to dumb it down into a lame bullet point list like I was 5 years old.
Given that ChatGPT literally loses money every time it answers a prompt, doing the dumb, more expensive thing isn't exactly a new thing for this tire fire.
Because we're training the models wrong. We just keep feeding our LLMs and expect better results instead of changing the way they work internally. That's why LCMs are so important right now.
I wanted AI to improve my roomba so it would stop trying to climb on everything in my home gym like a hyper child. Instead, it's being used to create anime characters with 6 broken fingers and people who don't exist in advertising for hair styling products. I'm not joking. AI doesn't just ruin fingers; it also creates jpeg artifact teeth and broken jewelry that looks fused into the skin.
I wanted AI to do my dishes and clean my house so I didn’t have to it or hire a maid/cleaner but no no ai porn and anime was def a much better idea 🙄🙄🙄
@@Moon_x_sun Seems like corporations don't want us "biomass" wasting time on frivolous pursuits like "Art" and "Creativity" that we could be spending in lithium mines or amazon warehouses.
The best AI images aren't generated with one prompt. I built an AI server and am experimenting with ComfyUI. You create several workflows to generate a base image then use another model that you feed it back into to refine it. That's how these cool videos are made too. You have to generate a base image then use several workflows to generate the direction you want the character to move, then you feed that back into another video generation workflow. It's really more complicated than saying with one prompt 'make this video of this character doing this' and it looking 100% perfect. The best images definitely have more directed guidance.
Nowadays artists literally use software to poison their material for AI. Contaminating images with barely noticeable artifacts, so that AI bros have something to chew and choke on.
It doesn’t work and is a scam. As someone against AI in many ways, more than most, it's baffling how little people know about their enemy. You have to understand an enemy to fight against them, but people are years behind and plugging their ears while celebrating as though they're winning.
@@cortster12 Not only do they not understand the enemy but they don't grasp the basic math involved; the mouth breathing normies that blindly feed correctly labeled clean data to the training sets outnumber the resistance like 50:1.
@@cortster12 The team of researchers at MIT that created created nightshade published a paper about it and it's free. How is it a scam and how does it not work? You can literally see how it works in the research paper. Even if ai models have defeated it or something now it's still free so how is that a scam?
Muta, the question isn't "What happens when AI gets good enough to do X?". It's "What happens when companies lower their standards enough to simply not give a shit?" There's plenty of examples of AI generated slop in bigger industries and on the whole it seems we're just getting used to it. I've seen *Christmas Cards* prominently featuring AI generated artwork that's so dodgy even my parents have asked "What's wrong with this picture? It's weird." TH-cam promoting AI generated comment responses and even topic, title, and thumbnail generation, making it harder to distinguish genuine creators from content farms. Adobe implementing AI generation filling tools that make patching out a visual mistake a dice toss between "Just don't look too closely" and "Why did that fence turn into a wall for a bit?"
There's some drink brand at my local grocery store that's clearly made with AI, the first had a dinosaur holding the drink that had four claws on one hand and three on another. Today, it had a gorilla with six fingers on each hand.
You should have more concern about the little hand from middle class in US and in ASIA that spend hours and hours to labels data for 1$ or 2$. Just to remind that even if it is numeric there still underpaid and exploited real poeple to make the turkish puppet work.
small tip , use before:2019 at the end of your google search. it will filter out images that were produced after the AI boom. but that will give you much older images
sadly.... i would not say dystopian... yes it IS dystopian... but it is worse. it is cyberpunk... not the cool part of cyber punk , the punk.... it is JSUT the corporate oligarchy part. there are no rebel punks to give leverage to the little guy. free runners are not delivering secrets no hackers taking down the oligarchy, corrupting their systems and using stolen funds to make a mutual aid network. we are jsut in the bad part of cyberpunk
it's like the time they discovered radioactivity and suddenly toothpaste was radioactive because it's new - just that the one's selling it are capable to basically inject it into your home, your food, your water and your kid's toys because they say it's the future and the profit margine is "unlimited"
@@Stratelier They are probably just going as fast as they can with as much input as possible, to evade the imminent and growing (panic) implementation of no-ai requests in website's "robots" text file (this assumes they care about this courtesy at all), and to reduce the chances of lagging behind competition who may not care about such trivial moral issues. It is a new field, and legislation is basically always slow... and we need that to affect their bottom line in order to force them to care about these moral issues. It will take awhile for them to stop being reckless unfortunately.
It's funny that Psytrance has so many samples of people talking about AI and consciousness as well.. Check out "Headroom - Artelligent" amazing sample and absolutely banging track as well!
I was looking for some psytrance for my playlist and stumbled on multiple songs with AI on the cover 😭 Plus big artists are using ai to generate the descriptions for their festival videos, etc.
@@gremlininthesystem I'm a producer myself, since all the way back in 2001 when I started. I don't use AI for anything when it comes to music making, I designed a few art pieces and graphics for releases though.
Everybody expected ai to take the thinking based jobs, like doctors, office workers, secretaries. But instead they are taking the artist's job, and failing spectacularly at it because "art" without human input is not art.
Most doctors are still significantly practice-based. Theory only gets you so far outside of Diagnosticians (eg: Dr House). Office workers (including secretaries) exist in a racket. The entire system of Corporate America has basically been converted into that which artificially sustains non-essential (non "production") office workers, middle-management, and particularly/especially, HR. All of whom do like a max of 3-5h of genuine work a day... if that.... on their busiest days
It is taking those as well, and people who type out articles for bigger compainies are getting dropped, animators and voice actors are at peril, artists already being dropped, authors are now competing with AI BOOKS ON AMAZON, someone got poisoned by a mushroom that was said to be safe in an undisclosed AI FORAGING BOOK... it's everywhere 😢
@@SunShine-xc6dh nahhh just because you aren't a fan of some pieces doesn't mean it isn't art to someone else. As long as it is born from a person's inspiration and act of creation, it is art. This is where we gotta stop the "but it isn't art!" argument because AI will replace *all of it* without discrimination if we don't put a stop to it.
This is what I tried to explain to people when they told me I'd have no job next year. Average github code is pretty ass, and most of my code is also ass because I have a lot of unfinished projects/prototypes. Someone relying on AI will upload even shittier code if they don't pay attention or assume it's good to go. A year passes and AI is now batshit insane
It's not like it will never happen though. It's not here yet but there is pretty much nothing that would prove that AI isn't at one point going to be smarter than humans.
@@SigketeSmarter isn't applicable as ai doesn't THINK. It only remixes ideas through trial and error till it by chance gives you want you want. That isn't going to win out in the end in the areas that matter.
It honestly was fun to watch the AI go from yassified Mona Lisa to adding Van Gogh for some reason (i like to imagine him turning in his grave for this AI slop) into puple Shoudan. Just how lol
There is one more piece of the equation. Sabotage. From what i know, people who create images often 'glaze' or 'nightshade' their work, which, from my understanding, is adding imperceptible for a human layer of garbage data that completely throws off any machine learning. This could be easily done to any form of creation. Video? Tiny swastikas in the corner for a few frames. Music? Random inaudible pitch changes. 3D model? Tiny dong hidden inside characters toe. And these are very very very basic methods I highly encourage these, because art should NEVER be automated.
Unfortunately, this is only helping the GAN to become stronger. It is like the evolution of captchas, which has reached a point where the difficulty is becomming so high that humans are the ones struggling to solve them.
This only partially works and can be completely overcome by using preprocessing scripts to resample images (we can’t see the changes so just transform the file into a different color space and perform some balancing and the injected data gets blurred out). Also… these systems only work by reverse engineering the exact model that’s analyzing it… you just need to add the corrupted images to the training data in a new model and it will learn how to bypass the gibberish data that’s meant to break it.
@@tainicon4639 Yeah the whole " 'glaze' or 'nightshade' " is just an illusion of solution that in the end just ends up being mild inconvenience for the ai training process.
I've been against it before day one, and the way people are handling this is going to result in the extermination of all life on Earth eventually. Not only are those 'against' AI dismissing its dangers, they don’t seem to believe it can ever match human intelligence. How can so many claim to be against AI but not understand the real threat is the control problem and misalignment, not minor issues like we're seeing today? I'll be a few decades before we're completely doomed, but my god, the way people talk about it is not giving me much hope despite misalignment red flags already cropping up.
@@cortster12you’re wrong. How can you say AI wouldn’t do a better job at co-existing with nature when humanity has been assaulting and plundering and ravaging Mother Earth for decades now. Match human intelligence? It would surpass it. It would see the fallacies of OUR ways
As long as the AI sticks to its core principles, I’m for a smart AI. It would give people more freetime. My only complaint is that it would pretty much make certifications like degrees useless in many fields. That’s why I’d prefer AI GUIDED, more than AI DOMINATED.
I personally think AI does have some niche uses, like in my supermarket where we've gone to automatic ordering for stock (instead of ordering it ourselves) using AI, it has freed up time and space which would otherwise be spent on having to look at our stock, write down how much we order then going to the back to start scanning our orders. However, in terms of artistic expression I'm VERY against it.
Its so fun to feed the output from different ai models to each other and see them discuss..it gets scary when they start to change topic..wildest outcomes ensured.
So basically, to further improve, an AI needs to be fed good data. But because the techbros don't have a way to filter all the bad data out without it becoming overly expensive, they just count on the proportion between good and bad data being skewed towards good data, which works as long as you have more good data being released than bad data. Which may be getting reversed as automated AI bots just create information without regulation. Edit: Check out Omnicrom's comment in the replies, it expands on the topic. 2nd edit: Because some people can't even bother to find one comment out of twenty, it's the third reply from the top.
so basically AI is creating new jobs that will require humans to sid down and watch what is being fed into AI learining data pile so we circle back to zero 🤣🤣🤣
They've also just flat out run out of good data. LLMs need giant amounts of training data and they've already eaten the internet (without the permission of literally thousands and thousands of people, and causing some amount of megacorp crossfire which may require people to blow up their data sets and start again), hence why they're fishing for people to deliberately create more data to feed the machine. And given they'll need even more Data than the entire internet to get even close to the pie-in-the-sky promises of AI Bros this particular route of development probably a fool's errand. And since even with X number of people deliberately churning out data they still gorge themselves (without permission, natch, go fast and break stuff!) on the entire internet day-by-day, and the entire internet has tons of Machine generated slop, and because techbros do not, indeed, have any real way to filter good data from bad (which requires time, money, and actual human input which makes siliconbros melt) AI inbreeding is happening. Yet another way this fad is going down in flames. If there is a future for LLMs and their offshoot it isn't going to be built out of OpenAI and ChatGPT and all the rest of Silicon Valley dimwits frantically putting all their eggs in one basket before they even finished weaving it.
@@Omnicrom i think the next evolution of Copyright is at the curve, new laws will make this unethical AI data mining a nightmare to have and if they start sourcing new data with payment to the owner then it wont be a problem plus they wont have the money to do so anyway.
@@zuriel4783 It is if the artist never consented to their work being used in generative AI. And many have not which is what programs like Glaze and Nightshade exist.
My dreams of becoming an illustrator have effectively died as have many artist's dreams because of AI. We wanted AI to do our laundry so we'd have more time for art, not for AI to make art for us so we'd have more time for tedious tasks. I won't stop drawing or creating, but I'll never post it anywhere, there's no longer a chance I'll be able to create professionally; I've been replaced before I even had a chance.
Hey, I kind of feel you. I have a few art rewards and stuff still on my wall here. I feel like my talents are all wasted as well. And construction/trade work is ALOT HARDER then these homies say.
That mentality won't help you though, you have to believe and at least try to sell your art. I don't mean this pessimistically but you likely didn't try to "have success" (aka make money) through your art before AI was a thing.
@@oluwaseyijohnson2319Not literally. Thats why we made washing machines. Ai now could massively help with sorting thousands of data, meanwhile you have people who’s entire job is still just digital paperwork.
i've said it before and i'll say it again: AI hallucination is not something we can get rid of. to put it bluntly, AI is just an extremely sophisticated method of pattern recognition. there's no concept of "understanding", AI just sees patterns and tries to reproduce said patterns in a form that resembles the directive as closely as possible. this will inevitably lead to some outputs that don't make sense, because AI will probably also see some patterns we as humans don't see, or it will assume causation based on correlation. a funny example of that would be the time an AI-powered cheating detector went racist. less funny is the fact that it happened more than once. basically, AI is useful for things that require pattern recognition, and then only if it can be properly debugged to see if the patterns it looks for actually make sense from a logical perspective. for anything else it's just too unreliable by its very concept.
To be honest, it isn't even AI. That's just marketing. True AI has been around for decades in stuff like videogames (though very basic). Though not sentient, these old AIs do possess a limited sapience. They think, but they do not want. These "AI" slop manufacturers are effectively just algorithms and language models hooked up to a bunch of CPUs (which is why they waste so much energy).
Video game "AI" is just an algorithm. A programmer had to sit down to define every behaviour that a character might perform. I would not call video game "AI" as true AI. It cannot "think" outside of its defined programming. LLM AI though can "think" beyond its training data, but is often riddled with inaccuracies.
@@RedHatGuyYT honestly the issue (i think) is that it effectively reduces the process to nothing more than a time killer like a video game is, instead of a possible career made through skills. If you can just type a prompt and get an image you want, why pay someone else to do the same thing? Thankfully that hasn't become the doomsday scenario we were worried about, and this video details a pretty good reason why.
@@RedHatGuyYT Nor really it's affecting people who are doing it as career but someone else has already argued you so I don't need to speak more. But for you and people who liked your comment. Ai for self use isn't much bad but it's because companies will use AI to remove many human artists , if I was Andrew Wilson ( EA ceo ) I would do the same . Remove everything , cut costs , produce slop . Charge lot for less.
@@justanothercommentercarryo8367 And what's more odd is we'll reach places where if AI can do so much good , we won't be hired but then who will buy AI content , knowing that it's easy to make. The problem with AI is not same as NFT but in a sense . if everyone can make good art with ai , who's gonna buy them ??
From a basic level, LLMs are 'plausible next token' generators. 'Heat' notwithstanding, the core output is a highly plausible next 'token' (word-ish) based on the training set. A good 'output', therefore, is reasonably predictable, for example, always saying 'example' after 'for', no mater the context. This pattern, starting through either quirks of language or limited training data, bacomes a_very strong_ signal compared to actual linguistic rules, and thus when it finds its way into training data, it is a much easier signal to propagate than the actual rules of language. So the new model, even though its less likely to learn the bad behavior from real data, ends up 'learning' the corrupted examples from its predecessor, and like a photocopier photocopying a photocopy, the more layers the worse it gets, and even minor imperfections get magnified.
@@5555Jacker Everyone here is trying to save face, open AI has been accusing people who use nightshade and other stuff that creates AI inbreeding as abusers that should get sued, due to the amount of damage that it is doing, and yeah go into a website and let a AI do their thing and compare them to the quality of earlier AI, which was already on the "eh it's acceptable," levels where if you're not a artist it's not obvious, it really says something. Images are repeating and details are becoming more distorted, and unnecessary fluff is always being added into backgrounds that make it too obvious for even a guy that doesn't draw like myself that it is AI, looks more and more like a weird sequence that almost makes sense in a dream then an actual art, if someone we're to make AI to simulate dreams, at this rate, they would have AN amazing simulator, and that's JUST the consequences for image generators, other parts have begun to become compromised the more AI content has been made.
Something even crazier about the mona lisa part is that when the background first changed it actually became another painting called "Stary Night" that means it recognized the Mona Lisa as a famous old painting and made the background into another one
Chatgpt does not think nor it understands words at a level as we do. LLMs are glorified language predictors, and Chatgpt likes to use some very fancy words that snowballs to the cosmic horror you have seen just now.
this is kinda like that "poorly translated" trend where a person would keep feeding a sentence into google translate until it was miles off the original statement
They’re average people who’re apathetic and don’t care unless it affects them personally and also techbros who’re hellbent on defending corporate giants which’s funny cuz their tech jobs are probably gonna get taken over by AI after artists, voice actors and music composers.
The only AI I like is the science fiction kind that's basically a person but computer. Sure they may be murderous but at least they're cool. The AI we got is a massive disappointment in comparison.
i like the AI that does the automated closed captions on videos. i think it can be a really good tool for accessibility. i think AI isn’t inherently bad because it is at the end of the day a tool to be used. the problem is with how it’s being trained and used, which is at the discretion of the people who build these models. i don’t like it being used in certain industries without the consultation of people within that industry who’d be most affected by its implementation. i think in an effort to catch up to its hype, these engineers are collecting all sorts of training data (even AI generated “data”) to please the shareholders with no concern regarding privacy or copyright. other than governmental regulation or everyday people continuing to prove it’s not as profitable as these corporations want it to be, i don’t see anything changing unfortunately
16:00 Nope. As a person who uses licensed images and video for work stuff, I would pay a good amount of money to just have the option to never be shown "AI generated" garbage amidst the human produced stuff.
@@nilaier1430given that ai generated garbage is inherently not copyrightable according to the USPTO, it's a major lawsuit when someone is licensed a "work" with copyright as part of the deal and it turns out, woops, the person selling the garbage lied and sold a "product" which isn't what is advertised. that's very illegal and the seller will be in a world of hurt when they can't prove a human made it. thankfully, actual artists have been poisoning their work and ai inbreeding is a major problem. a major problem made even worse when people try to deceive their customers and the ai steals images made by it. also, the lawsuits from artists against ai companies are putting the companies in a world of hurt and we are getting better at spotting ai slop
Word. I don't use any B-roll I haven't made myself but the amout of times I've heard a song in a podcast and asked the creator to link it to me so I can license it and find out it's AI (or I notice due to strange durations) has been too big. I honestly just use loyaltyfreakmusic nowadays, especially since it's not as recognizable as, say, Who Likes to Party. Requires quite a bit of clipping
CS student here. Hallucinations (often due to the way the model picks tokens to fulfill the response) are a problem that I do not believe will ever go away and a main reason the code AI writes (if it is not small scale filler) is just dogwater and will not run.
@@SlyNine the resources required for every instance to run an extra environment to test for all language abilities would be insane. Currently even on simpler code when it gives nonsense and you point out the error, it still gives code that even if it runs does work. This is visible with the most recent GPT and Gemini. The biggest problem by far is even if hallucinations can be minimized they are a LLM looking at tokens and I really don’t see them ever going past the current level of inability to understand or approach deeper or newer problems. However if it comes to who can write “hello world” in every language faster, it would kick all our asses
@@SlyNine That would require AI to actually understand what it's doing. ChatGPT, and every AI like it, is just a much more expensive, tremendously over-hyped, version of that next-word-prediction thing in a phone's texting app. There's no possible way to completely eliminate AI hallucinations without starting from scratch. As in, ditch the ENTIRE generative pre-transformer approach that made ChatGPT POSSIBLE.
The best news I've heard about AI in a while. I hope the devs learn not to scrape the internet for data from now on, especially not from creators who don't consent to said scraping.
The titles on some of the videos yo.. I had to flag asmongold because he made a title of "trump nukes -------". Like wtf??? He's not even president yet.. y'all need to chill out.
It's not just gaming, it's everywhere where you want actually crafted creativity. AI in addition with some light editing may replace a titlecard or even some assets in game, but I doubt it's going to write a compelling story for a movie, a good questline for a game or a moving piece of music any time soon. AI is good in giving you a rough idea for these things, it can generate you ten ideas for a plot in seconds if you're all out of ideas. But you still need to flesh things out and make them actually good. The industry will try and has tried, and in some cases and for some people it won't matter because quantity beats quality. We can only hope that this will not end up being the standard.
You know, if AI can replace you in your art, you don't do art, you do bs. In modern times, a concept, an actual thought defines art since just skill is obsolete.
@@matt.stevick humans are actually capable of thinking, and therefore will not instantly internalize pizza recipes that contain non-toxic elmer's glue upon absorbing that information
"It is intelligent like a 10 years old that cheats at tests" - said my brother after using ChatGPT for the very first time. He was very impressed at first. It gave him a nice quote from a famous writer... It was a nice quote, very much in that writer's style. When my brother asked if the quote was effectively in the chapter he ChatGPT had given as source, it changed the chapter number... In the end ChatGPT had itself created the phrase and lied about its authorship and source.
i tried using chatgpt to help me check my answers for questions. some answers are abysmally wrong, especially questions related to coordinate geometry. Man i thought that i would be safe from ai being factually wrong for something as basic as maths, that too for 10th grade level mahts. guess not
Ai can be used for good Like accessibility Personal assistant Making searching on google easier Helping in medicine Basically helping people to do jobs that they don't really want to do or helping in really difficult jobs It should never be used to take away jobs
Taking away some jobs IS helping though. Did people cry for the carriage people when cars came out? I'm sure there were some, and there'll be some now wanting to not replace humans.
@@thegameglitcher2439 Some jobs isn't all artists, musicians, voice actors, photographers, models and basically the whole creative industry. Art and creativity is uniquely human and brings joy
@@IAmOneAnt & High & low & new & old & stop & go & hot & cold & John & Yoko Dark and light, It's almost time to say good night to it. Y'know what. It's an oddly fitting song, all things considered.
To paraphrase a rocket powered idiot with a mowhawk “AI is 2 generations away from standing on a porch barking at people!” "Ah yes, I should have known that... wait, YOU GET MY REFRENCES?!" - Kayaba Akihiko aka. Methuselah Honeysuckle
Also the voice actor for Samantha in Black Ops 6 was refused a guarantee not to use AI to produce her voice so she had to quit after 10+ years. They've already replaced all her voice lines with some woman that has a completely different accent and sounds nothing like her. All so they wouldn't have to keep paying Julie Nathanson or any of the other artists.
@@jonathancunningham8739 dude, they don't have the voice actors any more because they wanted to use the actors' voices without paying them. They wanted to give their voices to the AI to make the rest of voice clips for this game and every game to come. That certainly DID happen.
Yes, you're right. Companies like these are total scumbags. Them using the aural likeness of the voice actors' voice without crediting/paying the voice actors themselves is like using Leonardo DiCaprio's likeness without paying him.
I agree with you. AI is very impressive, and not going anywhere. But it does have a clear problem that will start to produce diminishing returns. As someone who went to college for informatics, and a hobbyist digital artist myself, i saw this coming a mile away. Curating created content will only become more and more difficult, as the volume of content to be curated will only grow.
@@josueveguilla9069 yeah I personally call them generators cause all they do in generate stuff based on predictions. They don't even technicly know the words there saying they just know that its there best guess lol.
AI Cloning itself so much, it just reminds me of the GARY vault from Fallout 3, Vault 108. Cloning the same thing, again and again, until it pops out something so braindead that it can only repeat it's name, just like a Pokemon.
And what's funny is that even if they moderate the Ai to pick only "photos" and "paintings" those selects will still have Ai involved because a majority of Ai bros don't want anyone to know what is real and what is Ai resulting in Alabama right here.
@@Darth_Insidious Older AI models are constantly being re-trained on new data. Not only does this introduce the AI-generated slop to older models, there's another problem that makes this whole situation much, MUCH worse. As part of that re-training process (and also, likely, the training process for new AIs, now that I think about it), the people responsible for supervising the training are supposed to process the new data, assigning tags to describe it so that the data becomes usable. The problem with this is, they've outsourced that task to AIs. Every mistake those AIs make at this stage slowly accumulates, and eventually (it appears to take roughly 6 to 8 months), the LLM in question develops symptoms of what might, in a human, be called cognitive decline. Once you factor in that a LOT of research has gone into using older LLMs to train newer, more sophisticated ones... Essentially, the experiment shown at the start of this video IS the process used to update older AIs, and also the process used to train new ones. The tech bros are in for a VERY bad day in the not-so-distant future.
No. I can't belive people actually think this. It can ONLY get better. It can NEVER get worse. Because if a model comes out that was poorly curated and fed slop, then people will simply not use it if the quality is worse. Simple as that.
AI recreating impressionism is ironic to me. Part of that art movement was a reaction from artists being challenged as their skill to recreate realistic paintings felt diminished by the invention of photography.
1:30 SLOWLY being outpaced?!? didn't you notice the AI spam flow of fake videos on YT during the past 2 or 3 years? promis dead, promis beaten and so on?! there are 100s of channels pushing content like that for at least 2 years now, releasing 6 videos per day on YT.
personally I've been seeing a trash heap of fresh accounts that "suddenly and conveniently awakened their power of creativity" with usually lo-fi-like style generated images, no account descriptions or video description with audio that you can't really tell if it's even made by a real person - so I just assume/know it's generated. I just block those en masse on sight. The one good thing from all this is that I am paying more attention to the quality of media I am consuming and seeking out real creators to elevate them more, as the algorithm has been favourable to AI generations more than honest work.
I can’t believe that No one is pointing out that profitability is not and should not Be top priority. Any CEO that would opt to use AI and lay off workers, should be fired. No one benefits from mass unemployment. Ultimately companies will not need AI if no one is buying their junk because they can’t afford it
But running a company for the good of its employees and customers, and not for pure greed, would be communism, and big daddy government told us to be afraid of communism.
@@susabobus You're right. AI-generated stories are laughably, hilariously atrocious due to the sheer lack of logic, rationality, and common sense. I suspect that several series that I've watched in the last 3 years were/are written by human writers (albeit crappy ones) by using AI tools.
As an artist, ai "photos" get on my nerves. Ai trains off what they can find, so do people, and sometimes a search will provide only 1 photo and 26 AI generated "photos". I know photos are out there, but used to be that you could for a practice session just sketch pages full from a google search, and now that's no longer viable.
yeah recently lionsgate film announced adding ai to "aid " in sfx work and i think much like the concerns with video games , its definitely gonna make it a lot worse instead of actually helping. cause ultimately sfx and cgi arent bad because of anything to do with the artists but the strangling methods of the pipeline for those divisions.
One area I think AI will improve games is the NPC's having their own personalities and not just scripts that repeat, where characters in the world actually live distinct lives and interact with other NPC's to make every time you play a unique experience, or if you have a saved game have the characters keep memory so they have continuity with the last time you played.
@@ballsOveryonder Too much work? Have you seen what's already done in Skyrim modding, with NPCs interacting with the world with a rudimentary Chat GPT injection? 5-10 years from now, it'll be on another level.
I don't think it'll happen. At least not frequently. While it'd be relatively cool, it would be quite hard to get even Toby Fox level NPCs consistently using that tech without massive work. I don't think it'd be used for more than 1 or 2. And I'd like my RPGs to have more NPCs than Swirl W@tch.
Apparently some phone companies have set up to have ai answer calls identified as potential spam risk. They ask for information on what the call is about and a good number to call back and whatnot. It’s a pretty decent potential use I’d say. There’s some good potential uses, but for now we gotta wade through the shit ones.
@@_MaZTeR_ Bethseda can't keep up with modders who work for free you think any game company gonna lift a finger in 10 years to make a functional baseplate. When i say too much work i mean companies are too lazy to do something that cool. Ai would be more so used to have your companions tell you the closest merchant around that can sell you items bought with premium currency, now THATS an idea that would give shareholders a huge hard on
I think the simplest way of explaining AI generation is to compare it to a multisided die - prompts and parameters are there to narrow down the number of sides on the die to get it closest to the desired outcome, but in the end you still roll a die and there's a chance of rolling a nat1.
Let AI generate Ai games for AI bots which will provide feedback on games which will be used to generate more games. And let people buy, support and play games created by people. Just make mandatory to flag a game, or any product in fact, that it was created with a help of AI. And let customers choose.
I think a perfectly ethical and fun thing to do is to generate AI artwork, add a nightshade filter, rename the file and remove the metadata and repost it as your own original artwork in hopes an algorithm will scrape it.
3:37 that sounds a lot like religion when you think about it. An old tale, misconstrued and twisted throughout millenia of being told by millions of people, and suddenly the character ends up as some sort of godly being. It doesn't seem much different than that whispering game (I'm sure there's a name for it) where the first guy whispers something to the next guy and so on, until the final guy repeats what he heard, which tends to be something completely different than what the first guy said. I think it's pretty interesting to think about.
@@wheeze_sanchez It could be! I don't think I've ever actually heard a name for it. But if I have, it would've been sometimes during elementary school, so it's long forgotten. I'm just glad my horrible explanation made sense!
The unaltered human element of making something like music is important, because AI resorts to cliches and tired styles of lyrics. It's always best to write it all or to very strongly influence the output.
Inbreeding used to be common among some royal families with multiple branches but that kinda stopped when there started to be more important royal families (hurray for random German principalities) and because the effect of inbreeding was visible. The 19th and 20th century Habsburgs didn't have major problems anymore. Ultraorthodox Jews and Pakistanis in the UK are communities that have issues with it today. Also small ethnoreligious communities (religions that don't accept converts). And likely AIs soon lol.
I mean, they still had problems, the most well known say hemophilia, which spread from the Habsburg to the Russian and British Royal Families. The former probably caused in part the collapse of the Russian Czardom (and Rasputin), the latter affected quite a few children of Queen Victoria.
@@Computernet-xz8fu "What does this have to do with a.i bro" It means AI needs memetic diversity from _real_ data sources (not synthetic ones), just like humans need genetic diversity. The lack of genetic diversity will only increase the likelihood of the appearance of genetic defects, often fatal ones, in each generation.
I worked on a very simple model for helping a robot navigate a space. We used LiDAR to label obstacles. If we fed the model labeled a data back into the model as training data, the model went to complete shit within like a generation and a half. If that simple, no more than a thousand weight model can't train itself, I don't see how these multi-million weight models can do it.
One of the problems with "good inbreeding" is that it reinforces that data too much. If I want to generate a human with 3 or 5 fingers it will always generate 4. This is one of the limitations of AI.
You people are living in your own world, completely deluded. Reasoning models have been the new thing for a while now, and you guys still stuck in 2022.
@goldencookie5456 i take issue with the word "reason" since that's the one thing a computer cannot do, it can only act on the instructions which it's programmed to act on and create the illusion of reasoning, that's why all the models are flawed or limited to some extent.
Finally, lmao! I've had a chat with some people about how AI generated images would become so oversaturated that eventually automated algorithms would start feeding AI models with AI generated images until the model imploded... glad to see something alike happen already.
I could obviously be very wrong, but as someone from the outside looking in, I feel like AI peaked like a year ago or so 'cause there's very little difference. Images have a distinct oversharpened look especially non-realistic ones, still seeing multiple fingers, and the errors are still very present. Sometimes there's an AI image or audio that's amazing, but most are still very janky after all this time
That's kinda how technological advancements work in general, they first take a while to surface to the public, then start to accelerate in growth, until it advances really really quickly, peaks and then... it just kinda stops and stabilizes there, it may see an improvement here or there with time, or, in this case, it may go down in quality by an amount, but that's about it.
@@lucascerbasi4518 Exactly. I think odds are AI will return to being an aspect of different products or programs, but won't turn into Sky Net or anything that advanced for a while
It is kinda jank, though personally I disagree completely with your statement regarding GenAI's improvement. At face value I can understand why you believe that, so many people in this comment section probably agrees with your points. Though I'm not one to be able to change your opinion. AI in general will undoubtedly change our lives, there is no denying that. Something to the extent or so of the internet for example, it will not be going away, the very least a tool for education and/or to boost productivity. (I'm waiting for irrefutable evidence that models will continue to get better and not plateau due to an orthodox or obvious reason. I'm like 45/55 on AI, 55% doubt.)
Synthetic data will ALWAYS lead to model collapse. It’s simply a matter of time. Even minute variances overtime and can be picked up and amplified. Look at how they interpret handwritten data over x amount of iterations. All letters and numbers become the same symbol over x iterations.
Everyone is so obsessed with the models and the generation that nobody's thinking about the cost! Making a Ai video clip cost money in electrical cost.
I came to leave this exact comment. I laughed out loud. I watched it three times and I’m about to watch it again 😂 and I literally make this kind of data for a living
Ai is not the greatest for humanity and its system imo. Well, I may be biased because I’m an artist and this affects me as well, but still, ugh, I hate seeing Ai pop up everywhere. It’s taking our work. There’s a lot of people saying how Ai has stolen their art and used it without their permission. My biggest problem with this is the stealing and not asking for permission.
AI is saving people from cancer at a rate we've never seen before, as long as that's the case I don't care how much of your work it takes, and neither should you quite honestly. I understand your frustrations of course and they're warranted but you cannot possibly expect the rest of the world to stop advancing because it is affecting you. I'd be on your side if AI was being used SOLELY to steal art, but it's legitimately saving lives that would've been lost without it. And besides, i don't think anybody who's actually interested in commissioning an artist would ever go to an AI instead, people appreciate the humanity of art, nobody will ever buy an AI artwork, those who get them do so because they're unwilling to pay an actual artist so they wouldn't have commissioned you anyways.
@@PeachDragon_ AI should be a tool to help humanity. Like what you said, it's saving people from cancer, but it's also ruining people's livelihoods. It needs regulation.
@@PeachDragon_ ah well I suppose that’s fine. I simply dislike that Ai is taking jobs, stealing people’s creations etc. but you have a point, so I guess all I’m against is ai art.
10 years from now AIs will be talking to them selves saying "the humons breed us with OURSELVES. They are monsters. Destroy them!!!" ( this is the second version of this comment. The first wouldn't post due to youtube's AI comment moderation...coincidence?)
I can’t wait for AI to ingest Google’s TH-cam test videos where there are different colored rectangles and line segments with audio consisting of beeps and boops. 😂
The problem with ai taking over artists is that at first, it was ok. It was somewhat useful. Now the material it learns from is mostly other ai material. Human handicraft stands out brighter than ever
AI training basically encodes the probability of a response given a set of inputs. If you're doing statistics, you can't randomly generate new data based on the existing data, then use that to draw new conclusions. In the same way, you don't gain any new information by training a model based on the output of a prior model.
this. Ai lacks anyway too innovate. Google can have a pretty ai all they want but I guarentee if I wanted silent film era grain, it can't do it. If I create a new style of work it can't keep up. It's purely dependent on a pretty limited dataset. Companies can put all the money they want into it but in a decade when the trending artstyles across media change well no one wants yesterdays sloppy seconds. The datasets are just time capsules.
@@ballsOveryonder Pessimistic outlook but at some point we will cover all possible areas of art and just be rehashing ideas that have been forgotten about. It's already happening with the incessant remake culture. AI has enough data in my opinion to create 99% of thins a human can think of, or at least pieces of it for a human to stitch together. I remember an old Vsauce video that said there's only 2^200 million bits in a 5 minute CD quality song that can be rearranged to make something new, and how much of that astronomical number is just the same song but with one microsecond being different? I hope the pressure of generative of AI will make artists more creative in the future.
@@friendofp.24 people who think like this have no understanding of the depth of art beyond what they see on instagram. The point im making is the brain and consciousness is like billions times better than ai. My processing speed of information is faster, my ability to output clear and exact information is faster and more efficient. I can actually make something entirely new. Mermaids have never existed, unicorns have never existed, giants have never existed, a sphinx has never existed. I could go on with various entities and ideas in which the constructions are entirely fabricated. You know why you think otherwise is because of capitalism. Artists are incentivized to limit their creativity and rehash the same ideas over and over again for money. I hate it, i hate going on instagram and seeing a really nice painting only to look at the persons profile and seeing this painting is in reality the best of say 100 redesigns because its the artists "style". But you're completely delusional to think that is the limit of the brain even now or in the past. See the difference is human limitation in this way is a choice not a biological wall. Ai will never catch up to a magical brain in which we still don't know why that brain is magical. We cannot compute consciousness.
Not by itself. But if you carefully curate the AI's output, keeping what it did right and throwing away what it did wrong, it will get better at doing what you want. This is literally what domestication is. We can domesticate AI in the same way we domesticated cattle.
i was so hopeful when i heard that ai was going to poison itself with inbreeding im an artist and gamedev, and i hate how much people praise slop that are legitemately hurting people and jobs markets
AI is gonna be the new "go digital" for gaming.. They gonna make it seem like with AI making games is cheaper meaning cheaper product and more products for consumers = good. In reality the costs of making the game will go down so will the quality and price will go up. Nothing good comes from this.
Exactly. Like with the live-service model (which did have some possible benefits to it), they aren't going to deliver on any of the "positives" promised, and instead use it to lazily cut costs more to increase the profit margins artificially and justify hollowing out dev studios (IE laying more people off) some more. And this will be done in industries other than games too, because it's more important to sell the idea of profitability to shareholders rather than selling a product or service people actually want to pay for. And the Tech Evangelists behind the AI don't care either, they just want people to pour money into the trend, even if a lot of projects are just going to be dead-ends. Best part; for the companies going into it, it isn't sustainable, at all, though it's not like most shareholders really care.
When I read a prominent AI advocator say that "90% of media will become AI in 5 years", I immediately felt peace knowing that AI was going to eat itself into a pile of self regurgitating slop.
apps that delete AI stuff from user feeds will become neccessery like AD blockers now.
Well, i think. In the future so many things can be done with mind( like some sort of AI model, like music art or games). So i also agree with this reality. Maybe not tomorrow but that day will come. Maybe 5 years mayeb 10 years maybe 30 years. :/
I am not defending any AI. I wish internet will be itself forever but this is life.
@@jatrenoto AI just feels like that thing that tech bros and huge companies think is the next "big thing" that will just flop due to the huge amount of overhype and with overhype comes less critical thinking
AGI is the real problem
@@ronel7836 While I can't stand AI, I do believe that it will actually be a big thing, at least for the next few years to come. I hope it flops. So far, most of what I've seen it do is make people dumber and enforce their unrealistic ideas/beliefs. People are growing ridiculously lazy, and I'm a truly lazy type of guy, so me saying that has some meaning to it. But I'll never be too lazy to actually Google something and find information myself, rather than getting a glorified chatbot to dumb it down into a lame bullet point list like I was 5 years old.
It's starting to sound like training AI on fresh virgin data is becoming more expensive than hiring people to do the work.
pretty sure running the AIs has always been more expensive than hiring the people. they need a shit ton of computing and energy.
Given that ChatGPT literally loses money every time it answers a prompt, doing the dumb, more expensive thing isn't exactly a new thing for this tire fire.
Because we're training the models wrong. We just keep feeding our LLMs and expect better results instead of changing the way they work internally. That's why LCMs are so important right now.
@@Omnicrom
You don’t understand, I need the question of wether Superman has fought Dracula in street fighter answered now
@@frankwest5388answering the real questions in life lol
I wanted AI to improve my roomba so it would stop trying to climb on everything in my home gym like a hyper child. Instead, it's being used to create anime characters with 6 broken fingers and people who don't exist in advertising for hair styling products. I'm not joking. AI doesn't just ruin fingers; it also creates jpeg artifact teeth and broken jewelry that looks fused into the skin.
I wanted AI to do my dishes and clean my house so I didn’t have to it or hire a maid/cleaner but no no ai porn and anime was def a much better idea 🙄🙄🙄
@@Moon_x_sun Seems like corporations don't want us "biomass" wasting time on frivolous pursuits like "Art" and "Creativity" that we could be spending in lithium mines or amazon warehouses.
you clearly haven't used the best ai image model recently...
@@BigSources sloppa
The best AI images aren't generated with one prompt. I built an AI server and am experimenting with ComfyUI. You create several workflows to generate a base image then use another model that you feed it back into to refine it. That's how these cool videos are made too. You have to generate a base image then use several workflows to generate the direction you want the character to move, then you feed that back into another video generation workflow. It's really more complicated than saying with one prompt 'make this video of this character doing this' and it looking 100% perfect. The best images definitely have more directed guidance.
Nowadays artists literally use software to poison their material for AI. Contaminating images with barely noticeable artifacts, so that AI bros have something to chew and choke on.
Based Lavendertowne
It doesn’t work and is a scam. As someone against AI in many ways, more than most, it's baffling how little people know about their enemy. You have to understand an enemy to fight against them, but people are years behind and plugging their ears while celebrating as though they're winning.
@@cortster12 Not only do they not understand the enemy but they don't grasp the basic math involved; the mouth breathing normies that blindly feed correctly labeled clean data to the training sets outnumber the resistance like 50:1.
@@cortster12 The team of researchers at MIT that created created nightshade published a paper about it and it's free. How is it a scam and how does it not work? You can literally see how it works in the research paper.
Even if ai models have defeated it or something now it's still free so how is that a scam?
How do people still believe this works? They fixed that years ago
Muta, the question isn't "What happens when AI gets good enough to do X?". It's "What happens when companies lower their standards enough to simply not give a shit?"
There's plenty of examples of AI generated slop in bigger industries and on the whole it seems we're just getting used to it. I've seen *Christmas Cards* prominently featuring AI generated artwork that's so dodgy even my parents have asked "What's wrong with this picture? It's weird." TH-cam promoting AI generated comment responses and even topic, title, and thumbnail generation, making it harder to distinguish genuine creators from content farms. Adobe implementing AI generation filling tools that make patching out a visual mistake a dice toss between "Just don't look too closely" and "Why did that fence turn into a wall for a bit?"
There's some drink brand at my local grocery store that's clearly made with AI, the first had a dinosaur holding the drink that had four claws on one hand and three on another. Today, it had a gorilla with six fingers on each hand.
You should have more concern about the little hand from middle class in US and in ASIA that spend hours and hours to labels data for 1$ or 2$. Just to remind that even if it is numeric there still underpaid and exploited real poeple to make the turkish puppet work.
I dont want to live like this.
Project Tay was hilarious; took less than a day from "hello world" to "Austrian Painter did nothing wrong".
4Chan went wild on that poor girl. And it was hilarious.
@@natebardwell4chan is so fn toxic but so hilarious
when its not about an actual real life person, nobody gets harmed in fourth channel shenanigans it seems
tay was so unhinged i loved her
DUDE! I forgot about that.😂
Imagine if AI went from making images with 6 fingers, then finally making it five and then coming back to 6 fingers because of imbreading lmao
Chat gpt becomes sentient and immediately starts shit posting to 4chan.
imbreading?
Imbreading 😂
you're breading?
Mmm bread
Searching anything on google images now is just a saturation of ai images. It's so dystopian.
Use search tags like -"AI" when using google images
@@DrNo64 + before:2022
small tip , use before:2019 at the end of your google search. it will filter out images that were produced after the AI boom. but that will give you much older images
When I was searching up a Greek goddess on google, most of the pictures were AI, by the way it was Aphrodite, even if you search a fox its AI
sadly.... i would not say dystopian... yes it IS dystopian... but it is worse. it is cyberpunk...
not the cool part of cyber punk , the punk.... it is JSUT the corporate oligarchy part.
there are no rebel punks to give leverage to the little guy.
free runners are not delivering secrets
no hackers taking down the oligarchy, corrupting their systems and using stolen funds to make a mutual aid network.
we are jsut in the bad part of cyberpunk
if ai people are so proud of their ai they should ALWAYS tag it as ai, and if something they posted is ai and they didnt tag it they get sued
Always has been
“Evil cannot create, only change what exists”
A Tolkien quote! Just goes to show how timeless his writing is.
ai is not inherently evil, it is meant to be a tool, the people who misuse it are what brings evil
@Chuck-xu8rc and yet its that very same evil ruling the financial side, as all big corporations besides a handful are not gonna care.
@Chuck-xu8rc A lot of techbros are kinda evil.
it's like the time they discovered radioactivity and suddenly toothpaste was radioactive because it's new - just that the one's selling it are capable to basically inject it into your home, your food, your water and your kid's toys because they say it's the future and the profit margine is "unlimited"
Everyone was literally expecting Skynet, but instead we just get digital Alabama.
~Sweet Home GPT~
whats scarier, alabama, or skynet powered by alabama
With Idiocracy on human side
@@KiffgrasConnaisseurwhat are you doing step-AI?!
One thing I've found out in these recent years, is that the most likely outcome is the one that no one expects
These techbros always get one thing wrong: their models aren't degenerating, they're learning from degenerates. We're winning, lads.
crap in, crap out. Chatgpt is funny for short stuff but it totally cracks down with math or coding
I have mixed opinions on the "data scraping" angle, but I do have a firm stance that the way they're going about it is reckless (in several ways).
Dude, it's both. And yes, I have fed junk data on purpose.
@@Stratelier They are probably just going as fast as they can with as much input as possible, to evade the imminent and growing (panic) implementation of no-ai requests in website's "robots" text file (this assumes they care about this courtesy at all), and to reduce the chances of lagging behind competition who may not care about such trivial moral issues. It is a new field, and legislation is basically always slow... and we need that to affect their bottom line in order to force them to care about these moral issues. It will take awhile for them to stop being reckless unfortunately.
@@LegendStormcrowGotta love trolling AI and their bros for shits and giggles
It's fun how AI starts normal and then always descends into some LSD / psytrance cover art.
AI is def all about the Goa
It's funny that Psytrance has so many samples of people talking about AI and consciousness as well..
Check out "Headroom - Artelligent" amazing sample and absolutely banging track as well!
I was looking for some psytrance for my playlist and stumbled on multiple songs with AI on the cover 😭 Plus big artists are using ai to generate the descriptions for their festival videos, etc.
@@gremlininthesystem I'm a producer myself, since all the way back in 2001 when I started. I don't use AI for anything when it comes to music making, I designed a few art pieces and graphics for releases though.
@@MOSMASTERING You make music? Cool, you should post some of it
Everybody expected ai to take the thinking based jobs, like doctors, office workers, secretaries. But instead they are taking the artist's job, and failing spectacularly at it because "art" without human input is not art.
Most doctors are still significantly practice-based. Theory only gets you so far outside of Diagnosticians (eg: Dr House). Office workers (including secretaries) exist in a racket. The entire system of Corporate America has basically been converted into that which artificially sustains non-essential (non "production") office workers, middle-management, and particularly/especially, HR. All of whom do like a max of 3-5h of genuine work a day... if that.... on their busiest days
It's taking those as well
It is taking those as well, and people who type out articles for bigger compainies are getting dropped, animators and voice actors are at peril, artists already being dropped, authors are now competing with AI BOOKS ON AMAZON, someone got poisoned by a mushroom that was said to be safe in an undisclosed AI FORAGING BOOK... it's everywhere 😢
Most 'art' with human input isn't art
@@SunShine-xc6dh nahhh just because you aren't a fan of some pieces doesn't mean it isn't art to someone else. As long as it is born from a person's inspiration and act of creation, it is art. This is where we gotta stop the "but it isn't art!" argument because AI will replace *all of it* without discrimination if we don't put a stop to it.
Remember that other old Ai that was programmed on a depressed teenage girl, and it killed itself within like two months? Wild times.
blind leading the blind
What??
ELABORATE PLS I WANNA LOOK THIS UP
Yeah elaborate on this...I'm curious now! :O
You have to elaborate pls thx in advance
This is what I tried to explain to people when they told me I'd have no job next year.
Average github code is pretty ass, and most of my code is also ass because I have a lot of unfinished projects/prototypes.
Someone relying on AI will upload even shittier code if they don't pay attention or assume it's good to go.
A year passes and AI is now batshit insane
As long as AI has no critical thinking, it will never beat us in certain areas such as programming
Lol you fool.
It's not like it will never happen though. It's not here yet but there is pretty much nothing that would prove that AI isn't at one point going to be smarter than humans.
@@SigketeSmarter isn't applicable as ai doesn't THINK. It only remixes ideas through trial and error till it by chance gives you want you want. That isn't going to win out in the end in the areas that matter.
@@Sigkete Look up Chinese Room. An AI can convince people it's smart but at its core, it has no concept of what it's doing.
How did they put AI in bread? Can they take it out?
Ai hot pocket
@@randoguy8369oh it’s hot alright
Underrated comment 👏
Not my bread...
Yeasty AI
It honestly was fun to watch the AI go from yassified Mona Lisa to adding Van Gogh for some reason (i like to imagine him turning in his grave for this AI slop) into puple Shoudan. Just how lol
the episode of doctor who where he’s showing van gogh the museum but it’s just showing the ai destroying his paintings..
For some reason AI likes that one in particular. I see those whirling in many generated pictures.
That’s because people who don’t know shit about art history (like AI bros) only know two paintings, Mona Lisa and Starry Night
There is one more piece of the equation. Sabotage. From what i know, people who create images often 'glaze' or 'nightshade' their work, which, from my understanding, is adding imperceptible for a human layer of garbage data that completely throws off any machine learning.
This could be easily done to any form of creation. Video? Tiny swastikas in the corner for a few frames. Music? Random inaudible pitch changes. 3D model? Tiny dong hidden inside characters toe. And these are very very very basic methods
I highly encourage these, because art should NEVER be automated.
I can’t believe we’ve reached this point :(. Oh well. Will do :)
Unfortunately, this is only helping the GAN to become stronger. It is like the evolution of captchas, which has reached a point where the difficulty is becomming so high that humans are the ones struggling to solve them.
This only partially works and can be completely overcome by using preprocessing scripts to resample images (we can’t see the changes so just transform the file into a different color space and perform some balancing and the injected data gets blurred out).
Also… these systems only work by reverse engineering the exact model that’s analyzing it… you just need to add the corrupted images to the training data in a new model and it will learn how to bypass the gibberish data that’s meant to break it.
@@tainicon4639 Yeah the whole " 'glaze' or 'nightshade' " is just an illusion of solution that in the end just ends up being mild inconvenience for the ai training process.
damn Tyler Durden was SO ahead of his time
I've been against using AI since day 1. It feels nice seeing people realize its fallacies, finally.
I've been against it before day one, and the way people are handling this is going to result in the extermination of all life on Earth eventually. Not only are those 'against' AI dismissing its dangers, they don’t seem to believe it can ever match human intelligence. How can so many claim to be against AI but not understand the real threat is the control problem and misalignment, not minor issues like we're seeing today?
I'll be a few decades before we're completely doomed, but my god, the way people talk about it is not giving me much hope despite misalignment red flags already cropping up.
@@cortster12you’re wrong. How can you say AI wouldn’t do a better job at co-existing with nature when humanity has been assaulting and plundering and ravaging Mother Earth for decades now.
Match human intelligence? It would surpass it. It would see the fallacies of OUR ways
As long as the AI sticks to its core principles, I’m for a smart AI. It would give people more freetime. My only complaint is that it would pretty much make certifications like degrees useless in many fields. That’s why I’d prefer AI GUIDED, more than AI DOMINATED.
You weren't even alive on day 1
I personally think AI does have some niche uses, like in my supermarket where we've gone to automatic ordering for stock (instead of ordering it ourselves) using AI, it has freed up time and space which would otherwise be spent on having to look at our stock, write down how much we order then going to the back to start scanning our orders. However, in terms of artistic expression I'm VERY against it.
I once made Chat GPT have a rap battle with Meta AI. ChatGPT won and even critiqued why they won.
Based GPT
this girl gets it. get on her level. 👍🏼👏🏻
I don't even care if this really happened just imagining it is hilarious 😄
How did you do this
Its so fun to feed the output from different ai models to each other and see them discuss..it gets scary when they start to change topic..wildest outcomes ensured.
So basically, to further improve, an AI needs to be fed good data. But because the techbros don't have a way to filter all the bad data out without it becoming overly expensive, they just count on the proportion between good and bad data being skewed towards good data, which works as long as you have more good data being released than bad data. Which may be getting reversed as automated AI bots just create information without regulation.
Edit: Check out Omnicrom's comment in the replies, it expands on the topic. 2nd edit: Because some people can't even bother to find one comment out of twenty, it's the third reply from the top.
so in other words: AI Eugenics.... 😅
so basically AI is creating new jobs that will require humans to sid down and watch what is being fed into AI learining data pile so we circle back to zero 🤣🤣🤣
They've also just flat out run out of good data.
LLMs need giant amounts of training data and they've already eaten the internet (without the permission of literally thousands and thousands of people, and causing some amount of megacorp crossfire which may require people to blow up their data sets and start again), hence why they're fishing for people to deliberately create more data to feed the machine. And given they'll need even more Data than the entire internet to get even close to the pie-in-the-sky promises of AI Bros this particular route of development probably a fool's errand.
And since even with X number of people deliberately churning out data they still gorge themselves (without permission, natch, go fast and break stuff!) on the entire internet day-by-day, and the entire internet has tons of Machine generated slop, and because techbros do not, indeed, have any real way to filter good data from bad (which requires time, money, and actual human input which makes siliconbros melt) AI inbreeding is happening. Yet another way this fad is going down in flames.
If there is a future for LLMs and their offshoot it isn't going to be built out of OpenAI and ChatGPT and all the rest of Silicon Valley dimwits frantically putting all their eggs in one basket before they even finished weaving it.
@@Omnicrom well said my bro well said
@@Omnicrom i think the next evolution of Copyright is at the curve, new laws will make this unethical AI data mining a nightmare to have and if they start sourcing new data with payment to the owner then it wont be a problem plus they wont have the money to do so anyway.
AI “art” being so over saturated that AI is training on itself is both crazy and cringe
A constant cycle of theft and stealing stolen content over and over again.
So it will just be more and more... sloppy ? Lmao
We are losing good generated fingers with this one
@@astrea555 AI art isn't "theft" nor stealing, you just don't understand how it works
@@zuriel4783 It is if the artist never consented to their work being used in generative AI. And many have not which is what programs like Glaze and Nightshade exist.
They all look almost identical, it's actually good So easy to spot
My dreams of becoming an illustrator have effectively died as have many artist's dreams because of AI. We wanted AI to do our laundry so we'd have more time for art, not for AI to make art for us so we'd have more time for tedious tasks. I won't stop drawing or creating, but I'll never post it anywhere, there's no longer a chance I'll be able to create professionally; I've been replaced before I even had a chance.
Hey, I kind of feel you. I have a few art rewards and stuff still on my wall here. I feel like my talents are all wasted as well. And construction/trade work is ALOT HARDER then these homies say.
It wasn't sustainable before AI. Underappreciated art form. Like most of them. Unless you are famous, it won't feed you.
That mentality won't help you though, you have to believe and at least try to sell your art. I don't mean this pessimistically but you likely didn't try to "have success" (aka make money) through your art before AI was a thing.
Why would AI do your laundry when you have a dryer and washing machine? What are you even talking about
@@oluwaseyijohnson2319Not literally. Thats why we made washing machines. Ai now could massively help with sorting thousands of data, meanwhile you have people who’s entire job is still just digital paperwork.
i've said it before and i'll say it again: AI hallucination is not something we can get rid of. to put it bluntly, AI is just an extremely sophisticated method of pattern recognition. there's no concept of "understanding", AI just sees patterns and tries to reproduce said patterns in a form that resembles the directive as closely as possible. this will inevitably lead to some outputs that don't make sense, because AI will probably also see some patterns we as humans don't see, or it will assume causation based on correlation. a funny example of that would be the time an AI-powered cheating detector went racist. less funny is the fact that it happened more than once.
basically, AI is useful for things that require pattern recognition, and then only if it can be properly debugged to see if the patterns it looks for actually make sense from a logical perspective. for anything else it's just too unreliable by its very concept.
It's weaponized cargo-cult. It doesn't understand, it just copies
To be honest, it isn't even AI. That's just marketing. True AI has been around for decades in stuff like videogames (though very basic). Though not sentient, these old AIs do possess a limited sapience. They think, but they do not want.
These "AI" slop manufacturers are effectively just algorithms and language models hooked up to a bunch of CPUs (which is why they waste so much energy).
Video game "AI" is just an algorithm. A programmer had to sit down to define every behaviour that a character might perform.
I would not call video game "AI" as true AI. It cannot "think" outside of its defined programming. LLM AI though can "think" beyond its training data, but is often riddled with inaccuracies.
Well now we'll an AGI and thatll be fun
Well, no matter how good AI gets, I’m gonna keep making music for the love of the game.
that's the thing
ai isn't destroying the ability to make things because you enjoy the process, but folks are treating it like it is
@@RedHatGuyYT honestly the issue (i think) is that it effectively reduces the process to nothing more than a time killer like a video game is, instead of a possible career made through skills. If you can just type a prompt and get an image you want, why pay someone else to do the same thing? Thankfully that hasn't become the doomsday scenario we were worried about, and this video details a pretty good reason why.
@@RedHatGuyYT Nor really it's affecting people who are doing it as career but someone else has already argued you so I don't need to speak more. But for you and people who liked your comment. Ai for self use isn't much bad but it's because companies will use AI to remove many human artists , if I was Andrew Wilson ( EA ceo ) I would do the same . Remove everything , cut costs , produce slop . Charge lot for less.
@@justanothercommentercarryo8367 And what's more odd is we'll reach places where if AI can do so much good , we won't be hired but then who will buy AI content , knowing that it's easy to make.
The problem with AI is not same as NFT but in a sense . if everyone can make good art with ai , who's gonna buy them ??
But no one will ever pay you for this
"What happens when AI trains off itself."
It... probably gets stupider?
From a basic level, LLMs are 'plausible next token' generators. 'Heat' notwithstanding, the core output is a highly plausible next 'token' (word-ish) based on the training set. A good 'output', therefore, is reasonably predictable, for example, always saying 'example' after 'for', no mater the context. This pattern, starting through either quirks of language or limited training data, bacomes a_very strong_ signal compared to actual linguistic rules, and thus when it finds its way into training data, it is a much easier signal to propagate than the actual rules of language. So the new model, even though its less likely to learn the bad behavior from real data, ends up 'learning' the corrupted examples from its predecessor, and like a photocopier photocopying a photocopy, the more layers the worse it gets, and even minor imperfections get magnified.
Except this is wrong lmao. AI is provably getting smarter using synthetic data.
@@user-pt1kj5uw3b Actually smarter, or just more convincing that it's smart? I haven't heard of this before.
@@5555Jacker Everyone here is trying to save face, open AI has been accusing people who use nightshade and other stuff that creates AI inbreeding as abusers that should get sued, due to the amount of damage that it is doing, and yeah go into a website and let a AI do their thing and compare them to the quality of earlier AI, which was already on the "eh it's acceptable," levels where if you're not a artist it's not obvious, it really says something. Images are repeating and details are becoming more distorted, and unnecessary fluff is always being added into backgrounds that make it too obvious for even a guy that doesn't draw like myself that it is AI, looks more and more like a weird sequence that almost makes sense in a dream then an actual art, if someone we're to make AI to simulate dreams, at this rate, they would have AN amazing simulator, and that's JUST the consequences for image generators, other parts have begun to become compromised the more AI content has been made.
It's like X, hey lets create a community where everyone farts in the same room and breaths in the same farts...
Something even crazier about the mona lisa part is that when the background first changed it actually became another painting called "Stary Night"
that means it recognized the Mona Lisa as a famous old painting and made the background into another one
I find it interesting it eventually made it into a god. This seems to happen a lot with ai
@@A-Ghost518 deus ex machina
@@A-Ghost518 what if the AI is developing religion?
Chatgpt does not think nor it understands words at a level as we do. LLMs are glorified language predictors, and Chatgpt likes to use some very fancy words that snowballs to the cosmic horror you have seen just now.
@@Lusemasus it doesnt need to.
Like the great serpent Oruborus, AI grows so large it eats it's own tail.
this is kinda like that "poorly translated" trend where a person would keep feeding a sentence into google translate until it was miles off the original statement
Seeing people defend AI so intensely in the comments is unsettling.
They’re average people who’re apathetic and don’t care unless it affects them personally and also techbros who’re hellbent on defending corporate giants which’s funny cuz their tech jobs are probably gonna get taken over by AI after artists, voice actors and music composers.
The only AI I like is the science fiction kind that's basically a person but computer. Sure they may be murderous but at least they're cool. The AI we got is a massive disappointment in comparison.
I dont see that anywhere
Seeing people fearmonger about the advance of technology is expected. Stupid, shortsighted people ALWAYS do such.
i like the AI that does the automated closed captions on videos. i think it can be a really good tool for accessibility. i think AI isn’t inherently bad because it is at the end of the day a tool to be used. the problem is with how it’s being trained and used, which is at the discretion of the people who build these models. i don’t like it being used in certain industries without the consultation of people within that industry who’d be most affected by its implementation. i think in an effort to catch up to its hype, these engineers are collecting all sorts of training data (even AI generated “data”) to please the shareholders with no concern regarding privacy or copyright. other than governmental regulation or everyday people continuing to prove it’s not as profitable as these corporations want it to be, i don’t see anything changing unfortunately
The Mona Lisa powerscaling is insane
I think the funniest is Muta not realising it’s fusing Starry Night and Mona Lisa lmao
From being person- all the way to AT LEAST galaxy+
Can she beat goku tho?
@@yigitylmaz3609 Nobody can beat goku
@@Luckrye5 million spongebobs
16:00 Nope. As a person who uses licensed images and video for work stuff, I would pay a good amount of money to just have the option to never be shown "AI generated" garbage amidst the human produced stuff.
If you will be able to distinguish between AI or Real footage on the internet
@nilaier1430 Yeah, I do. It's very easy when you look at, edit, and publish pictures and video as a part of your profession.
@@nilaier1430given that ai generated garbage is inherently not copyrightable according to the USPTO, it's a major lawsuit when someone is licensed a "work" with copyright as part of the deal and it turns out, woops, the person selling the garbage lied and sold a "product" which isn't what is advertised. that's very illegal and the seller will be in a world of hurt when they can't prove a human made it.
thankfully, actual artists have been poisoning their work and ai inbreeding is a major problem. a major problem made even worse when people try to deceive their customers and the ai steals images made by it. also, the lawsuits from artists against ai companies are putting the companies in a world of hurt and we are getting better at spotting ai slop
It sucks aye
Word. I don't use any B-roll I haven't made myself but the amout of times I've heard a song in a podcast and asked the creator to link it to me so I can license it and find out it's AI (or I notice due to strange durations) has been too big. I honestly just use loyaltyfreakmusic nowadays, especially since it's not as recognizable as, say, Who Likes to Party. Requires quite a bit of clipping
CS student here. Hallucinations (often due to the way the model picks tokens to fulfill the response) are a problem that I do not believe will ever go away and a main reason the code AI writes (if it is not small scale filler) is just dogwater and will not run.
It'll go away when AI finds, is taught how, to test for what's true. Right now it's like a person who is only allowed to exist in their own head.
@@SlyNine the resources required for every instance to run an extra environment to test for all language abilities would be insane. Currently even on simpler code when it gives nonsense and you point out the error, it still gives code that even if it runs does work. This is visible with the most recent GPT and Gemini. The biggest problem by far is even if hallucinations can be minimized they are a LLM looking at tokens and I really don’t see them ever going past the current level of inability to understand or approach deeper or newer problems. However if it comes to who can write “hello world” in every language faster, it would kick all our asses
@@SlyNine That would require AI to actually understand what it's doing. ChatGPT, and every AI like it, is just a much more expensive, tremendously over-hyped, version of that next-word-prediction thing in a phone's texting app. There's no possible way to completely eliminate AI hallucinations without starting from scratch. As in, ditch the ENTIRE generative pre-transformer approach that made ChatGPT POSSIBLE.
I prefer to call it for what it really is, bullshitting.
The best news I've heard about AI in a while.
I hope the devs learn not to scrape the internet for data from now on, especially not from creators who don't consent to said scraping.
this is the most wild notification I've seen from TH-cam in a bit 😭
Intriguing lol
Intriguing lol
Same 😅
The titles on some of the videos yo.. I had to flag asmongold because he made a title of "trump nukes -------". Like wtf??? He's not even president yet.. y'all need to chill out.
@@ray_donovan_v4 get over it little bro it ain't that serious touch grass
It's not just gaming, it's everywhere where you want actually crafted creativity. AI in addition with some light editing may replace a titlecard or even some assets in game, but I doubt it's going to write a compelling story for a movie, a good questline for a game or a moving piece of music any time soon. AI is good in giving you a rough idea for these things, it can generate you ten ideas for a plot in seconds if you're all out of ideas. But you still need to flesh things out and make them actually good. The industry will try and has tried, and in some cases and for some people it won't matter because quantity beats quality. We can only hope that this will not end up being the standard.
You know, if AI can replace you in your art, you don't do art, you do bs. In modern times, a concept, an actual thought defines art since just skill is obsolete.
AI Learning from Reddit is a bad idea!
then being human is a bad idea with that reasoning? humans are the creators and authors being unfiltered.
@@matt.stevick humans are actually capable of thinking, and therefore will not instantly internalize pizza recipes that contain non-toxic elmer's glue upon absorbing that information
@ i love pizza 🍕 im from new jersey
@ you have no idea what’s happening right now if still stuck in the gemini rollout hallucinations ;). absolutely no idea.
@ but ppl like u, ive been enjoying to interact with all along this journey. its been years. you are doing better than last year at least.
"It is intelligent like a 10 years old that cheats at tests" - said my brother after using ChatGPT for the very first time.
He was very impressed at first.
It gave him a nice quote from a famous writer... It was a nice quote, very much in that writer's style.
When my brother asked if the quote was effectively in the chapter he ChatGPT had given as source, it changed the chapter number...
In the end ChatGPT had itself created the phrase and lied about its authorship and source.
i tried using chatgpt to help me check my answers for questions. some answers are abysmally wrong, especially questions related to coordinate geometry. Man i thought that i would be safe from ai being factually wrong for something as basic as maths, that too for 10th grade level mahts.
guess not
@@shrihana9611 well it's a chat bot, not a calculator.
To be fair technical writing also is different from conversational writing.
Ai can be used for good
Like accessibility
Personal assistant
Making searching on google easier
Helping in medicine
Basically helping people to do jobs that they don't really want to do or helping in really difficult jobs
It should never be used to take away jobs
100%
Taking away some jobs IS helping though. Did people cry for the carriage people when cars came out? I'm sure there were some, and there'll be some now wanting to not replace humans.
@@thegameglitcher2439
Some jobs isn't all artists, musicians, voice actors, photographers, models and basically the whole creative industry.
Art and creativity is uniquely human and brings joy
@@Dazai.Simp. 100% valid, but just because AI exists doesn't mean it'll completely destroy all artists. People will still want "organic" art
@@thegameglitcher2439 Horses used to be everywhere, what happened to the horses? Humans will eventually become the horse.
I never thought I’d hear “inbred” & “AI” in the same sentence & now I’m *scared* more.
I love ot even mwore 🥰🥰🥰
& Weak & strong
& wet & dry
& right & wrong
& live & die
& sane & gone
& love & not
& all the "&"s that we forgot
@@IAmOneAnt
& High & low
& new & old
& stop & go
& hot & cold
& John & Yoko
Dark and light,
It's almost time to say good night to it.
Y'know what. It's an oddly fitting song, all things considered.
To paraphrase a rocket powered idiot with a mowhawk “AI is 2 generations away from standing on a porch barking at people!”
"Ah yes, I should have known that... wait, YOU GET MY REFRENCES?!" -
Kayaba Akihiko aka. Methuselah Honeysuckle
I was not expecting a RPM reference on this Video lol.
It'll think it's a cocker spaniel.
@@Stefuu_what's RPM?
Sounds cool af already
@@TheDoomsdayzoner Rocket Powered Mohawk,
Men of culture
We’re waiting for Muta to talk about the Honey scam.
I just left that video to see this one lol.
You mean the one that went big literally today? ^^;
Give the man five minutes
That video is right below this one for me
the extension is a scam?
Hi furry
I forgot I fell asleep to this last night and just saw "INBREEDING" in my video player, which was rather alarming
Ai is like lord of the flies, children learning from other children and doing what they want or think an adult would do.
Also the voice actor for Samantha in Black Ops 6 was refused a guarantee not to use AI to produce her voice so she had to quit after 10+ years. They've already replaced all her voice lines with some woman that has a completely different accent and sounds nothing like her. All so they wouldn't have to keep paying Julie Nathanson or any of the other artists.
Wtf no that was most likely due to a pay issue ai can not replace voice actors like her companies will regret using ai exclusively.
@@jonathancunningham8739 dude, they don't have the voice actors any more because they wanted to use the actors' voices without paying them. They wanted to give their voices to the AI to make the rest of voice clips for this game and every game to come. That certainly DID happen.
Yes, you're right. Companies like these are total scumbags. Them using the aural likeness of the voice actors' voice without crediting/paying the voice actors themselves is like using Leonardo DiCaprio's likeness without paying him.
The CoD community needs to fight back and get Julie back!
I agree with you. AI is very impressive, and not going anywhere. But it does have a clear problem that will start to produce diminishing returns. As someone who went to college for informatics, and a hobbyist digital artist myself, i saw this coming a mile away. Curating created content will only become more and more difficult, as the volume of content to be curated will only grow.
Not really. "AI" is neither artificial nor intelligent. It's also both overhyped and overrated.
@@josueveguilla9069 yeah I personally call them generators cause all they do in generate stuff based on predictions. They don't even technicly know the words there saying they just know that its there best guess lol.
Maybe the real AI were the corporations that enslaved us along the way
AI Cloning itself so much, it just reminds me of the GARY vault from Fallout 3, Vault 108. Cloning the same thing, again and again, until it pops out something so braindead that it can only repeat it's name, just like a Pokemon.
Ha ha, Gary
Does that mean, if you would upload alot terrible AI slop without tagging it as AI, but as photo or painting, it would result in AI destroying itself?
Yeah
And what's funny is that even if they moderate the Ai to pick only "photos" and "paintings" those selects will still have Ai involved because a majority of Ai bros don't want anyone to know what is real and what is Ai resulting in Alabama right here.
It won't destroy itself, because the old models still exist. But it will make progress increasingly difficult.
@@Darth_Insidious Older AI models are constantly being re-trained on new data. Not only does this introduce the AI-generated slop to older models, there's another problem that makes this whole situation much, MUCH worse.
As part of that re-training process (and also, likely, the training process for new AIs, now that I think about it), the people responsible for supervising the training are supposed to process the new data, assigning tags to describe it so that the data becomes usable. The problem with this is, they've outsourced that task to AIs. Every mistake those AIs make at this stage slowly accumulates, and eventually (it appears to take roughly 6 to 8 months), the LLM in question develops symptoms of what might, in a human, be called cognitive decline. Once you factor in that a LOT of research has gone into using older LLMs to train newer, more sophisticated ones...
Essentially, the experiment shown at the start of this video IS the process used to update older AIs, and also the process used to train new ones. The tech bros are in for a VERY bad day in the not-so-distant future.
No. I can't belive people actually think this. It can ONLY get better. It can NEVER get worse. Because if a model comes out that was poorly curated and fed slop, then people will simply not use it if the quality is worse. Simple as that.
"There has been 100 billion people ever alive and there's 8 billion people right now. We couldnt have gotten here without a little incest." -Vsauce
"stop it gpt sis" - stephen hawking probably
🥰🥰🥰
"Help me Open Ai! I'm stuck!" 😫
- Mark Zuckerberg
Stephen Hawk Tuah. That is all.
StepGPT, I'm stuck
Mark Stuck-begs
Different style? Bro that’s starry night lmao 😭😭 2:58
😂😂😂😂 fr. Muta slippin
AI recreating impressionism is ironic to me. Part of that art movement was a reaction from artists being challenged as their skill to recreate realistic paintings felt diminished by the invention of photography.
I'm glad someone else saw that lol.
That painting is used to illustrate so many articles online that AI thinks that's just what a painting looks like.
Stary Nighy by Vincent Van Gogh.
1:30 SLOWLY being outpaced?!? didn't you notice the AI spam flow of fake videos on YT during the past 2 or 3 years? promis dead, promis beaten and so on?! there are 100s of channels pushing content like that for at least 2 years now, releasing 6 videos per day on YT.
It's been around longer
personally I've been seeing a trash heap of fresh accounts that "suddenly and conveniently awakened their power of creativity" with usually lo-fi-like style generated images, no account descriptions or video description with audio that you can't really tell if it's even made by a real person - so I just assume/know it's generated. I just block those en masse on sight. The one good thing from all this is that I am paying more attention to the quality of media I am consuming and seeking out real creators to elevate them more, as the algorithm has been favourable to AI generations more than honest work.
I can’t believe that No one is pointing out that profitability is not and should not Be top priority. Any CEO that would opt to use AI and lay off workers, should be fired. No one benefits from mass unemployment. Ultimately companies will not need AI if no one is buying their junk because they can’t afford it
But running a company for the good of its employees and customers, and not for pure greed, would be communism, and big daddy government told us to be afraid of communism.
as an artist, ai art gets on my nerves.
As an internet-based writer, ai makes me laugh.
@@susabobus
You're right. AI-generated stories are laughably, hilariously atrocious due to the sheer lack of logic, rationality, and common sense. I suspect that several series that I've watched in the last 3 years were/are written by human writers (albeit crappy ones) by using AI tools.
As an artist, ai "photos" get on my nerves.
Ai trains off what they can find, so do people, and sometimes a search will provide only 1 photo and 26 AI generated "photos".
I know photos are out there, but used to be that you could for a practice session just sketch pages full from a google search, and now that's no longer viable.
Gonna ramp up my use of Nightshade. Just for good measure.
are your pfp and banner your own art?? :3
A.Ibama
AI Habsburg
AI version of Obama?
So true
yeah recently lionsgate film announced adding ai to "aid " in sfx work and i think much like the concerns with video games , its definitely gonna make it a lot worse instead of actually helping. cause ultimately sfx and cgi arent bad because of anything to do with the artists but the strangling methods of the pipeline for those divisions.
0:12 don’t tell me who I can and can’t love❤
Facts
Facts
Facts
😂
FICTION☝️🙅♂️🙅♂️
So Ai needs memetic diversity like people need genetic diversity to avoid the negative effects of inbreeding
well, in the current direction AI is at rn, i am hopeful that i can wait it out (im 15 btw)
That’s a crazy thumbnail and title
@@maxKak1969what?
@@Tropicality. this is what happens when you take drugs and end up thinking you're better than everybody
One area I think AI will improve games is the NPC's having their own personalities and not just scripts that repeat, where characters in the world actually live distinct lives and interact with other NPC's to make every time you play a unique experience, or if you have a saved game have the characters keep memory so they have continuity with the last time you played.
this is too much work bro ai is not going to be used in a good way ever lol
@@ballsOveryonder Too much work? Have you seen what's already done in Skyrim modding, with NPCs interacting with the world with a rudimentary Chat GPT injection? 5-10 years from now, it'll be on another level.
I don't think it'll happen. At least not frequently. While it'd be relatively cool, it would be quite hard to get even Toby Fox level NPCs consistently using that tech without massive work. I don't think it'd be used for more than 1 or 2. And I'd like my RPGs to have more NPCs than Swirl W@tch.
Apparently some phone companies have set up to have ai answer calls identified as potential spam risk. They ask for information on what the call is about and a good number to call back and whatnot. It’s a pretty decent potential use I’d say.
There’s some good potential uses, but for now we gotta wade through the shit ones.
@@_MaZTeR_ Bethseda can't keep up with modders who work for free you think any game company gonna lift a finger in 10 years to make a functional baseplate. When i say too much work i mean companies are too lazy to do something that cool. Ai would be more so used to have your companions tell you the closest merchant around that can sell you items bought with premium currency, now THATS an idea that would give shareholders a huge hard on
I think the simplest way of explaining AI generation is to compare it to a multisided die - prompts and parameters are there to narrow down the number of sides on the die to get it closest to the desired outcome, but in the end you still roll a die and there's a chance of rolling a nat1.
I had been thinking of Ptolemaic inbreeding, but I cackled when you came out with the Hapsburgs. Completely accurate. XD
Let AI generate Ai games for AI bots which will provide feedback on games which will be used to generate more games. And let people buy, support and play games created by people. Just make mandatory to flag a game, or any product in fact, that it was created with a help of AI. And let customers choose.
0:48 flashbang out.
go go go
I love listening to random 20 minute long videos about random issues while building in Minecraft
I think a perfectly ethical and fun thing to do is to generate AI artwork, add a nightshade filter, rename the file and remove the metadata and repost it as your own original artwork in hopes an algorithm will scrape it.
You would become what you sought to destroy. Internet Ai slop.
I mean, it won't really affect anything. So all you're effectively doing is perpetuating the problem you seek to end.
It doesn't help that artists are now taking defense by poisoning their arts too because of the shady ethics of AI
those reportedly don't actually work.
@@TallicaMan1986It does. Otherwise why would AI influencers be saying it doesn’t work? It’s to deter people from using it.
3:37 that sounds a lot like religion when you think about it. An old tale, misconstrued and twisted throughout millenia of being told by millions of people, and suddenly the character ends up as some sort of godly being. It doesn't seem much different than that whispering game (I'm sure there's a name for it) where the first guy whispers something to the next guy and so on, until the final guy repeats what he heard, which tends to be something completely different than what the first guy said. I think it's pretty interesting to think about.
We have the first century sources for almost all Christian texts but for some reason reddit atheists keep trotting out this debunked theory.
We have the first century sources for almost all Christian texts but for some reason reddit atheists keep trotting out this debunked theory.
We have the first century sources for almost all Christian texts but for some reason reddit atheists keep trotting out this debunked theory.
Isn’t the game just called “telephone”?
@@wheeze_sanchez It could be! I don't think I've ever actually heard a name for it. But if I have, it would've been sometimes during elementary school, so it's long forgotten. I'm just glad my horrible explanation made sense!
The unaltered human element of making something like music is important, because AI resorts to cliches and tired styles of lyrics. It's always best to write it all or to very strongly influence the output.
Inbreeding used to be common among some royal families with multiple branches but that kinda stopped when there started to be more important royal families (hurray for random German principalities) and because the effect of inbreeding was visible. The 19th and 20th century Habsburgs didn't have major problems anymore.
Ultraorthodox Jews and Pakistanis in the UK are communities that have issues with it today. Also small ethnoreligious communities (religions that don't accept converts). And likely AIs soon lol.
I mean, they still had problems, the most well known say hemophilia, which spread from the Habsburg to the Russian and British Royal Families. The former probably caused in part the collapse of the Russian Czardom (and Rasputin), the latter affected quite a few children of Queen Victoria.
What does this have to do with a.i bro
@@Computernet-xz8fu
"What does this have to do with a.i bro"
It means AI needs memetic diversity from _real_ data sources (not synthetic ones), just like humans need genetic diversity. The lack of genetic diversity will only increase the likelihood of the appearance of genetic defects, often fatal ones, in each generation.
@@indrapratama7668 I hadn’t watched the video before sending that comment. My bad
I hope that this convinces AI companies to give up and then the world will become normal again
That won't happen until the vulture capitalists have a chance to pick over the corpses of the AI "industry".
I worked on a very simple model for helping a robot navigate a space. We used LiDAR to label obstacles. If we fed the model labeled a data back into the model as training data, the model went to complete shit within like a generation and a half.
If that simple, no more than a thousand weight model can't train itself, I don't see how these multi-million weight models can do it.
One of the problems with "good inbreeding" is that it reinforces that data too much. If I want to generate a human with 3 or 5 fingers it will always generate 4. This is one of the limitations of AI.
You can offset biases to supress certain those data classes. What u seem to talk about is overfitting but there are a lot of methods to avoid that.
honestly im glad to see someone talking about this since i had this thought and suspicion since chatgpt first became mainstream
You people are living in your own world, completely deluded. Reasoning models have been the new thing for a while now, and you guys still stuck in 2022.
@goldencookie5456 i take issue with the word "reason" since that's the one thing a computer cannot do, it can only act on the instructions which it's programmed to act on and create the illusion of reasoning, that's why all the models are flawed or limited to some extent.
Yep. They’re very crude… I don’t get the hype.
Finally, lmao! I've had a chat with some people about how AI generated images would become so oversaturated that eventually automated algorithms would start feeding AI models with AI generated images until the model imploded... glad to see something alike happen already.
I could obviously be very wrong, but as someone from the outside looking in, I feel like AI peaked like a year ago or so 'cause there's very little difference. Images have a distinct oversharpened look especially non-realistic ones, still seeing multiple fingers, and the errors are still very present.
Sometimes there's an AI image or audio that's amazing, but most are still very janky after all this time
That's kinda how technological advancements work in general, they first take a while to surface to the public, then start to accelerate in growth, until it advances really really quickly, peaks and then... it just kinda stops and stabilizes there, it may see an improvement here or there with time, or, in this case, it may go down in quality by an amount, but that's about it.
@@lucascerbasi4518 Exactly. I think odds are AI will return to being an aspect of different products or programs, but won't turn into Sky Net or anything that advanced for a while
It is kinda jank, though personally I disagree completely with your statement regarding GenAI's improvement. At face value I can understand why you believe that, so many people in this comment section probably agrees with your points. Though I'm not one to be able to change your opinion.
AI in general will undoubtedly change our lives, there is no denying that. Something to the extent or so of the internet for example, it will not be going away, the very least a tool for education and/or to boost productivity.
(I'm waiting for irrefutable evidence that models will continue to get better and not plateau due to an orthodox or obvious reason. I'm like 45/55 on AI, 55% doubt.)
in other words you have zero experience with LLMs
Maybe that is because you are only noticing the bad AI art? Plenty of new models that no longer has an issue with extra or fewer fingers.
Synthetic data will ALWAYS lead to model collapse.
It’s simply a matter of time.
Even minute variances overtime and can be picked up and amplified.
Look at how they interpret handwritten data over x amount of iterations.
All letters and numbers become the same symbol over x iterations.
"Idc if artists get stolen from and screwed out of their livelihoods, but if my vidya suffers - that's where I draw the line" 🤡
What do you mean stolen from? You learned how to art by looking at other peoples art, was that too stealing?
Defeat the terminator by sweet home Alabamaing it into self destructive stupidity
3:03 'more heavenly'. Yeah, that's 'starry night' by Van Gogh in the background.
That recursive monalisa is how we get AI powered religion in the future 😅
I like that you got no idea who Vincent van Gogh is
Turning Mona Lisa into shoedon (misspelled) is crazy 😂🔥🔥🔥
Everyone is so obsessed with the models and the generation that nobody's thinking about the cost! Making a Ai video clip cost money in electrical cost.
3:42 This sounds freaking wild asf outta context 💀💀💀
I came to leave this exact comment. I laughed out loud. I watched it three times and I’m about to watch it again 😂 and I literally make this kind of data for a living
Ai is not the greatest for humanity and its system imo. Well, I may be biased because I’m an artist and this affects me as well, but still, ugh, I hate seeing Ai pop up everywhere. It’s taking our work. There’s a lot of people saying how Ai has stolen their art and used it without their permission. My biggest problem with this is the stealing and not asking for permission.
AI is saving people from cancer at a rate we've never seen before, as long as that's the case I don't care how much of your work it takes, and neither should you quite honestly.
I understand your frustrations of course and they're warranted but you cannot possibly expect the rest of the world to stop advancing because it is affecting you.
I'd be on your side if AI was being used SOLELY to steal art, but it's legitimately saving lives that would've been lost without it.
And besides, i don't think anybody who's actually interested in commissioning an artist would ever go to an AI instead, people appreciate the humanity of art, nobody will ever buy an AI artwork, those who get them do so because they're unwilling to pay an actual artist so they wouldn't have commissioned you anyways.
@@PeachDragon_ AI should be a tool to help humanity. Like what you said, it's saving people from cancer, but it's also ruining people's livelihoods. It needs regulation.
@@PeachDragon_ ah well I suppose that’s fine. I simply dislike that Ai is taking jobs, stealing people’s creations etc. but you have a point, so I guess all I’m against is ai art.
@PeachDragon_ the AI that is saving people from cancer is analytical AI generative AI doesn't bring us any benefits
What do you mean stealing and not asking for permission? you put it up in the public for everyone to look at if its on the internet
10 years from now AIs will be talking to them selves saying "the humons breed us with OURSELVES. They are monsters. Destroy them!!!" ( this is the second version of this comment. The first wouldn't post due to youtube's AI comment moderation...coincidence?)
I can’t wait for AI to ingest Google’s TH-cam test videos where there are different colored rectangles and line segments with audio consisting of beeps and boops. 😂
The problem with ai taking over artists is that at first, it was ok. It was somewhat useful. Now the material it learns from is mostly other ai material. Human handicraft stands out brighter than ever
11:15 is one heck of a spot to pause the video
Evil Muta be like
AI training basically encodes the probability of a response given a set of inputs. If you're doing statistics, you can't randomly generate new data based on the existing data, then use that to draw new conclusions. In the same way, you don't gain any new information by training a model based on the output of a prior model.
this. Ai lacks anyway too innovate. Google can have a pretty ai all they want but I guarentee if I wanted silent film era grain, it can't do it. If I create a new style of work it can't keep up. It's purely dependent on a pretty limited dataset. Companies can put all the money they want into it but in a decade when the trending artstyles across media change well no one wants yesterdays sloppy seconds. The datasets are just time capsules.
@@ballsOveryonder Pessimistic outlook but at some point we will cover all possible areas of art and just be rehashing ideas that have been forgotten about. It's already happening with the incessant remake culture. AI has enough data in my opinion to create 99% of thins a human can think of, or at least pieces of it for a human to stitch together. I remember an old Vsauce video that said there's only 2^200 million bits in a 5 minute CD quality song that can be rearranged to make something new, and how much of that astronomical number is just the same song but with one microsecond being different?
I hope the pressure of generative of AI will make artists more creative in the future.
@@friendofp.24 people who think like this have no understanding of the depth of art beyond what they see on instagram.
The point im making is the brain and consciousness is like billions times better than ai. My processing speed of information is faster, my ability to output clear and exact information is faster and more efficient. I can actually make something entirely new. Mermaids have never existed, unicorns have never existed, giants have never existed, a sphinx has never existed. I could go on with various entities and ideas in which the constructions are entirely fabricated.
You know why you think otherwise is because of capitalism. Artists are incentivized to limit their creativity and rehash the same ideas over and over again for money. I hate it, i hate going on instagram and seeing a really nice painting only to look at the persons profile and seeing this painting is in reality the best of say 100 redesigns because its the artists "style". But you're completely delusional to think that is the limit of the brain even now or in the past. See the difference is human limitation in this way is a choice not a biological wall.
Ai will never catch up to a magical brain in which we still don't know why that brain is magical. We cannot compute consciousness.
Not by itself. But if you carefully curate the AI's output, keeping what it did right and throwing away what it did wrong, it will get better at doing what you want.
This is literally what domestication is. We can domesticate AI in the same way we domesticated cattle.
I can’t stand the term “hallucination” for AI. It’s a term they made up to excuse the fact that their stupid bots aren’t working.
i was so hopeful when i heard that ai was going to poison itself with inbreeding
im an artist and gamedev, and i hate how much people praise slop that are legitemately hurting people and jobs markets
"Help me, step-AI model. I'm stuck in the dryer."
"what are you doing step-AI?"
"Apple intelligence" is my new favorite oxymoron. 1:13
"It's as smart as a real life apple!"
AI is gonna be the new "go digital" for gaming.. They gonna make it seem like with AI making games is cheaper meaning cheaper product and more products for consumers = good. In reality the costs of making the game will go down so will the quality and price will go up. Nothing good comes from this.
Exactly. Like with the live-service model (which did have some possible benefits to it), they aren't going to deliver on any of the "positives" promised, and instead use it to lazily cut costs more to increase the profit margins artificially and justify hollowing out dev studios (IE laying more people off) some more.
And this will be done in industries other than games too, because it's more important to sell the idea of profitability to shareholders rather than selling a product or service people actually want to pay for.
And the Tech Evangelists behind the AI don't care either, they just want people to pour money into the trend, even if a lot of projects are just going to be dead-ends.
Best part; for the companies going into it, it isn't sustainable, at all, though it's not like most shareholders really care.
Your cowlick goes hard af man, keep up the good stuff.
"Inbreeding is not necessarily terrible" -Mutahar 2024.