I installed Pop!_OS on an 8 Gig Pi 4 running on a M.2 Sata III drive. I have reasonable performance. My goal is to use this implementation to learn a full blown 64 bit Linux. Newbie and old guy. In the end I will get my grandchildren on a Pi running this. They will need to know Linux and its apps in their future. Thanks for your support of the Raspberry Pi. Us old guys are still learning, even though we need to go slow and watch and read over and over. The Pi is a cheap way to learn and keep current!
Believe it or not, older individuals using Linux is very common. I absolutely love it. It gets people into technology that might not have discovered it earlier, or it makes someone that's already discovered it even more into it.
Approximately my configuration: 8GB Pi4, Argon case, M.2 SATA drive, 1080p monitor. Reasonable performance with an elegant presentation. Hopefully, future performance tweaks will make it even better.
@@paulmueller2564 I downloaded the image to my Mac and then used Raspberry Pi Imager software to flash the M.2 drive in an external drive case attached to my Mac. Then installed the M.2 in my Argon case and on the way to happy computing. I always do things the hard way.
I like your partial and unbiased opinions. You always call out the good and bad things about any software you review, even the one you use personally. And I appreciate that, man.
Try booting from an SSD drive. Directly from Pop OS desktop engineer: "Performance with Pi is entirely dependent on how fast the storage is. Most low capacity drives barely push 12 MB/s and have even worse random reads and writes. The better SD cards can do 90 MB/s, high end USB3 flash drives can do multiples of that, and then there's SSDs."
Installed POP_OS on my Pi 400 overclocked it to 2200 and it runs fine. Watch youTube in Firefox with H264ify video add-on and it plays fine. I have an x86 i7, 1T disk and Nevada Graphics running Zorin. Both connected to the same Monitor and at times I forget I'm on the Pi due to comparable performance.
Wow, that's awesome! I usually shy away from overclocking, and try to run things stock when I can - but I can totally see a reason to overclock in that case.
I saw your video pop up on my notifications and almost dropped my coffee. I can not wait to run this on my pi. Balena Etcher for Pi images I've found to be the best
I had the same experience with Pop!_OS and Ubuntu on my 4GB Pi 4, they were resource hogs. I currently have two favorites, Manjaro Arm and Raspberry Pi OS (in that order) --- they're nicely optimized for the Pi.
Million thanks for your excellent Pop!_OS 21.10 explanation, so far I had problem to watch Pop!_OS 21.10 on the Raspberry Pi 4 8Gb memory with 4K display. Now solved this problem. (200% enlargement is very comfortable)
On the Intel and AMD versions you can set the display right away. You don't need to wait until the installation is finished. Just hit the super key and type display.
Great video, as usual! I run Pop!_OS on all my Desktop/Laptop boxes. I ran into the same “.xz” not being recognized by Pop USB flasher. I used Archive Manager to unpack it, then was able to flash.
I detect a spin opportunity here. They could make a Pi version with XFCE for lighter weight and better performance--call it PixFlash or something like that. And it's really cool that the Pi has it's own keyboard now!
I am 100% sure Linus would have much more successful if he watched your channel! I have watched your entire proxmox series. That series helped improve my proxmox build. I currently have what a call a semi advanced setup with a custom built tower server with multiple vms a few containers.
glad you got yours working. mine goes through the boot sequence and i can see it scroll through it but then the screen fades to white then turns black and nothing. it's the official 7" display but i don't have a monitor to test it with so it could just be that the touchscreen isn't supported.
I didn't try overclocking, I usually don't like doing that in reviews because not everyone overclocks. To keep the impression the same as reality, I prefer to stick to the out of box settings. I might try that off-camera though.
i want to take your choice here as i am newbie still in linux but i have a little background in linux this is not first installation of linux i already used Ubuntu before but i found it ugly and couldn't use my windows apps(2 years ago), but now i want to change to linux as main OS so what do suggest of these ( PopOS - zorinOS - linux mint )
IIRC System76 are creating their own DE so I don't see why they'd try to make Gnome better. Maybe they still would, but if I was them I'd focus on my own DE, and the fact it's coded with Rust is a big plus in terms of stability, safety and performance. Hopefully they will make it optimized for the Raspberry Pi 4 as well.
I would recommend the aarch64 images of stock Debian for speedier, yet stable, desktop usage along with a lightweight DE of your choice (XFCE,LXQT,even KDE in latest iterations). Or the vastly underrated Trinity Desktop with only around 256Mb RAM needed to boot. You have the best of...all worlds with such an install. I also hear good things about Manjaro arm,but haven't tested it personally. I started my journey in Linux with Debian and I always come back to it with great respect...Just a personal opinion there.
So I plugged in my USB-C SSD into my nuc, flashed the "pop-os_21.10_amd64_intel_3" file on it no problem... booted from it, no problem... BUT... The at one point it gets to the question of INSTALL (Clean or advanced)... neither one See's the USB drive that it just booted from, it only sees my other 2 drives (Windows 10, and MINT) which were already installed through sata stuff and things.... Not sure what to do
Nice video! And a pity that Pop OS did not address the performance issues that already the Ubuntu Pi version had. That was so sluggish for me even when my Pi 400 was overclocked to 2GHz. If you ever get the chance, give the Manjaro Pi version (or Arch version in general) a try, I was using the Manjaro ARM Plasma version for quite some time for usual office work and I barely noticed any difference to an x86 PC even performance wise. I am also not sure, if it is really only Gnomes fault, that Pop and Ubuntu are so resource intense. As far as I know, Manjaro managed to get their Gnome version to run decently on a Pi. And even on x86, my Endeavour OS Gnome is almost as lightweight as a Plasma install on like Manjaro or Kubuntu. Again, pity that the Pop version is as sluggish as the Ubuntu version on the Pi. Then there is not really any reason for me to try it out, since there are better alternatives, if you just want a working desktop experience.
for me POP_os acted the same way on a 4k display everything was super small till I was able to adjust the scaling, the login screen is still tiny and does not correct itself tell the user logs in this was an x86 install
it was a specific error that caused the issue. it was caught within hours, and fixed within a day or 2. if he had literally started his challenge just a little earlier or later he would've downloaded a version without that error.
The Steam application on macOS is specific to macOS. It’s not a Linux application. And with the x86 emulation that Apple has, it might not even be an ARM application. On top of that, the M1 is vastly more performant than a Raspberry Pi 4. Anyway, for the Steam application to run on Pop!_OS on a Raspberry Pi, it needs to be a Linux application compiled to run on the ARM architecture. As more mainstream Linux distros get ported to the Raspberry Pi, it should be more common to find ARM ports of Linux applications. But the performance limitations of a R Pi may still mean some things don’t get ported.
*"I don't know how Linus..."* Linus was trying to make the video from the point of view of more AVERAGE users trying to switch to Linux. He obviously could have figured out the issues he encountered but then that would DEFEAT THE POINT of making his video series. Also, not sure why you're CONFUSED about Linus and the POP_OS issue he had because that's already been discussed quite thoroughly by Linus and others.
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I installed Pop!_OS on an 8 Gig Pi 4 running on a M.2 Sata III drive. I have reasonable performance. My goal is to use this implementation to learn a full blown 64 bit Linux. Newbie and old guy. In the end I will get my grandchildren on a Pi running this. They will need to know Linux and its apps in their future. Thanks for your support of the Raspberry Pi. Us old guys are still learning, even though we need to go slow and watch and read over and over. The Pi is a cheap way to learn and keep current!
Believe it or not, older individuals using Linux is very common. I absolutely love it. It gets people into technology that might not have discovered it earlier, or it makes someone that's already discovered it even more into it.
@@LearnLinuxTV Yep. I'm 72.
How did you move the install from sd card to sata drive?
Approximately my configuration: 8GB Pi4, Argon case, M.2 SATA drive, 1080p monitor. Reasonable performance with an elegant presentation. Hopefully, future performance tweaks will make it even better.
@@paulmueller2564 I downloaded the image to my Mac and then used Raspberry Pi Imager software to flash the M.2 drive in an external drive case attached to my Mac. Then installed the M.2 in my Argon case and on the way to happy computing. I always do things the hard way.
I like your partial and unbiased opinions. You always call out the good and bad things about any software you review, even the one you use personally. And I appreciate that, man.
Try booting from an SSD drive. Directly from Pop OS desktop engineer:
"Performance with Pi is entirely dependent on how fast the storage is. Most low capacity drives barely push 12 MB/s and have even worse random reads and writes. The better SD cards can do 90 MB/s, high end USB3 flash drives can do multiples of that, and then there's SSDs."
USB 3 on the Pi 4 will cap out at 300 MB/s read or so, but it's still a nearly 10x improvement over the best SD cards I've tried.
@@sinisterpisces That's sequential read speed, random read speed improvement is even bigger
That's probably what I should try next.
SD performance is always going to be slow, SSD boot is easy to set up and much faster.
Installed POP_OS on my Pi 400 overclocked it to 2200 and it runs fine. Watch youTube in Firefox with H264ify video add-on and it plays fine. I have an x86 i7, 1T disk and Nevada Graphics running Zorin. Both connected to the same Monitor and at times I forget I'm on the Pi due to comparable performance.
Wow, that's awesome! I usually shy away from overclocking, and try to run things stock when I can - but I can totally see a reason to overclock in that case.
I saw your video pop up on my notifications and almost dropped my coffee. I can not wait to run this on my pi.
Balena Etcher for Pi images I've found to be the best
I had the same experience with Pop!_OS and Ubuntu on my 4GB Pi 4, they were resource hogs. I currently have two favorites, Manjaro Arm and Raspberry Pi OS (in that order) --- they're nicely optimized for the Pi.
I'm currently running Manjaro ARM on my Pinebook. I should totally try that on the Pi 400.
Million thanks for your excellent Pop!_OS 21.10 explanation, so far I had problem to watch Pop!_OS 21.10 on the Raspberry Pi 4 8Gb memory with 4K display.
Now solved this problem. (200% enlargement is very comfortable)
I've been wanting PopOs on the Pi since I first got my hands on it. I'm so excited that this has actually happened!
Same, and I can't wait to see what they do with it next.
On the Intel and AMD versions you can set the display right away. You don't need to wait until the installation is finished. Just hit the super key and type display.
Great video, as usual! I run Pop!_OS on all my Desktop/Laptop boxes. I ran into the same “.xz” not being recognized by Pop USB flasher. I used Archive Manager to unpack it, then was able to flash.
I detect a spin opportunity here. They could make a Pi version with XFCE for lighter weight and better performance--call it PixFlash or something like that.
And it's really cool that the Pi has it's own keyboard now!
I am 100% sure Linus would have much more successful if he watched your channel! I have watched your entire proxmox series. That series helped improve my proxmox build. I currently have what a call a semi advanced setup with a custom built tower server with multiple vms a few containers.
That's how it starts. At first you watch a few videos, next thing you know your house looks similar to Lain's room in Serial Experiments Lain.
I have had a better Linux experience thanks to watching "Learn Linux TV"!
Hi Jay, your videos are very informative. Question though, are you going to make that T-Shirt available. Really want one ;)
Give it more elbow room! I run Pop!_OS on an RPi w/ 8GB and it doesn't lag like yours does.
Perfect Video! I've been looking at this Pi keyboard to purchase. It made up my mind watching this! Yes, I'm going to order it.
glad you got yours working. mine goes through the boot sequence and i can see it scroll through it but then the screen fades to white then turns black and nothing. it's the official 7" display but i don't have a monitor to test it with so it could just be that the touchscreen isn't supported.
What is the clockspeed? Did you try overclocking?
I didn't try overclocking, I usually don't like doing that in reviews because not everyone overclocks. To keep the impression the same as reality, I prefer to stick to the out of box settings. I might try that off-camera though.
Excellent video! I'm about to install Pop!_OS on my Pi 4 w/8GB RAM. I wonder if XFCE or KDE for ARM are in the repos?
Since Pop!_OS is using Ubuntu's repositories, you can easily do this. All the packages are there already.
I liked POP OS, tell me how to remove the favorite application bar at the bottom of the screen?
Thank you.
The gnome team should set it as their goal to get gnome running perfectly on an rpi 4. Do one release cycle dedicated to performance optimization.
I agree! If they make it run fast on a Raspberry Pi that's not overclocked, it would run fast on everything.
lol, lol the switch in the background. Hope you have been enjoying Pokemon and an animal crossing 👍. I got the same color of switch lite
...@11:27 with regard to a Pi as a desktop, whatever happened to the reason of, 'because we CAN'?
i want to take your choice here as i am newbie still in linux but i have a little background in linux this is not first installation of linux i already used Ubuntu before but i found it ugly and couldn't use my windows apps(2 years ago), but now i want to change to linux as main OS so what do suggest of these ( PopOS - zorinOS - linux mint )
IIRC System76 are creating their own DE so I don't see why they'd try to make Gnome better. Maybe they still would, but if I was them I'd focus on my own DE, and the fact it's coded with Rust is a big plus in terms of stability, safety and performance. Hopefully they will make it optimized for the Raspberry Pi 4 as well.
I would recommend the aarch64 images of stock Debian for speedier, yet stable, desktop usage along with a lightweight DE of your choice (XFCE,LXQT,even KDE in latest iterations). Or the vastly underrated Trinity Desktop with only around 256Mb RAM needed to boot. You have the best of...all worlds with such an install. I also hear good things about Manjaro arm,but haven't tested it personally.
I started my journey in Linux with Debian and I always come back to it with great respect...Just a personal opinion there.
So I plugged in my USB-C SSD into my nuc, flashed the "pop-os_21.10_amd64_intel_3" file on it no problem... booted from it, no problem... BUT... The at one point it gets to the question of INSTALL (Clean or advanced)... neither one See's the USB drive that it just booted from, it only sees my other 2 drives (Windows 10, and MINT) which were already installed through sata stuff and things.... Not sure what to do
Nice video! And a pity that Pop OS did not address the performance issues that already the Ubuntu Pi version had. That was so sluggish for me even when my Pi 400 was overclocked to 2GHz.
If you ever get the chance, give the Manjaro Pi version (or Arch version in general) a try, I was using the Manjaro ARM Plasma version for quite some time for usual office work and I barely noticed any difference to an x86 PC even performance wise.
I am also not sure, if it is really only Gnomes fault, that Pop and Ubuntu are so resource intense. As far as I know, Manjaro managed to get their Gnome version to run decently on a Pi. And even on x86, my Endeavour OS Gnome is almost as lightweight as a Plasma install on like Manjaro or Kubuntu.
Again, pity that the Pop version is as sluggish as the Ubuntu version on the Pi. Then there is not really any reason for me to try it out, since there are better alternatives, if you just want a working desktop experience.
I really enjoy Manjaro ARM on my Pinebook. I should try it out on the Pi 400, I might do that if I get a bit more time.
@@LearnLinuxTV Right, totally forgot about your Pinebook. Well then I guess you know the general experience. :)
I installed version 22.04 on Pi 4 4gig on SSD. Performance is adequate but the Pop Shop freezes. Oh well, I use the terminal to install packages.
for me POP_os acted the same way on a 4k display everything was super small till I was able to adjust the scaling, the login screen is still tiny and does not correct itself tell the user logs in this was an x86 install
Thumbs up for the t-shirt alone. 😂
so happy with this
it was a specific error that caused the issue. it was caught within hours, and fixed within a day or 2. if he had literally started his challenge just a little earlier or later he would've downloaded a version without that error.
The steam install, so I have steam running on my MBP M1 which is arm, so maybe it’s more specific to RPI arm or SBCs?
The Steam application on macOS is specific to macOS. It’s not a Linux application. And with the x86 emulation that Apple has, it might not even be an ARM application. On top of that, the M1 is vastly more performant than a Raspberry Pi 4.
Anyway, for the Steam application to run on Pop!_OS on a Raspberry Pi, it needs to be a Linux application compiled to run on the ARM architecture. As more mainstream Linux distros get ported to the Raspberry Pi, it should be more common to find ARM ports of Linux applications. But the performance limitations of a R Pi may still mean some things don’t get ported.
I have a 8gb model running rasberian as a media sever
It has the same problems.
Still getting a lot of bang for the buck
I have no output after the boot command line disappears and can't use anything
I watched this on my Pi 400 running Pop-OS. Sure, not as responsive as my M1 Mac Mini, but not too bad.....
That shirt!!! :-)
Yup, I thought it was funny too. I made it available to everyone for a limited time: merch.learnlinux.tv/products/learnlinuxtv-meme-shirt
LOL I like the shirt.
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6:20 unxz is equivalent to xz --decompress.
It will be faster raspberry pi-es in the future and it Pop OS will work better... Its ok to release it a little earlyer than the hardware... 😁
There's still some risk though, but I do see your point.
Is it possible to install it on raspberry pi 3b
Future should fix that in a year or 2 with Raspberry PI 5/6/7...
That's totally correct, I bet a newer model would be a great improvement.
probably not after seeing you t-shirt and knowing people who actually program and contribute to the linux system i'll pass
*"I don't know how Linus..."*
Linus was trying to make the video from the point of view of more AVERAGE users trying to switch to Linux. He obviously could have figured out the issues he encountered but then that would DEFEAT THE POINT of making his video series. Also, not sure why you're CONFUSED about Linus and the POP_OS issue he had because that's already been discussed quite thoroughly by Linus and others.