@@Eric6761 I'm not sure about that. Vegeta trained for nearly two years while Goku was busy learning the Instanteneous Movement. Vegeta even said to him not to be cocky just because he turned Super Saiyan because he is the no1 Saiyan implying that if Goku wasn't a SSJ Vegeta would be the stronger of the two.
@@Eric6761 I don’t know if they have evil in their heart like zamzu Dosent have evil in his heart because he believes he is doing good it is beerus nature to destroy he is a god so idk but Zeno is a mystery would be funny though
@@cc31reaper Beerus knows what he does is messed up like he destroy planets for nothing and is petty, not saying Beerus is pure Evil but good...no about Zeno is a mystery
@@Eric6761 he does know what he is doing is wrong but it’s kinda in his very nature he is the god of destruction it’s kinda in the job description he needs to destroy in order to bring balance to the universe if he didn’t the world would lose balance so ye is technically doing good and I think that is how he sees it but you definitely could debate that he enjoys it to much but at same time is in his nature
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 yes they work out for the time being but not in the distant future were it all goes wrong, but also what are you talking about?
That feels like rewarding the characters for being idiots. Not that I don't think Masako X kind of gives certain characters more depth than they should but he at least makes bad endings feel earned
@@redjirachi1 but the characters ARE idiots. and turning them into somehow gigageniuses to avoid a apocalypse ending is something what if youtubers do ALL THE TIME.
Assuming his lab is still intact the RR army would just take over his research and with direct access to his computers and blueprints they might not even need Dr hedo (assuming they get to the lab before trunks does)
There is also another scenario, Cell is the root of the loop itself. Cell goes back in time early to absorb 18 and 17 before our Trunks warns Goku about aritifical beings , this means now Cell is in his perfect state earlier ( a bit weaker but not much considering the overal power he had) . Anyone that can sense Ki now feels a power to impossible to estimate ,Cell begins to kill out of fun and leasure since there isnt anyting anyone can do plus he too can sense them , he might even take them all just to trash them and come up with a "better be ready next time" . Remember Cell once he became perfect said " wold conquest and killing Goku doesnt mean much to me " meaning he would eventual let our fighters become stronger to his own fun. Trunks arrives when our fighters consider "alternatives " Piccolo is gonna fuse with Kami anwyay, Goku and Vegeta are gonna consider power beyond SSJ since they already witnessed Cell (still supressed) . The evens sort of play like we already know , Goku and Gohan are going in the time chamber , Vegeta with Trunks now all of them have a point of reference to perfect Cell (regardless of supressed ) . The end result is that they might end up stronger then what we know , because Vegeta "sensed" and trained for a weaker point of reference like 17,18 (didnt knew how strong they were ) and impefect cell. He might actually be as strong as MSSJ Goku while Goku might come closer to cell in power and Gohan might be stronger or equal to SSJ2 that we know All because Cell comes ealier and reaches his perfect state right where "the android " saga should have been.
Considering that Dr Gero. Had those spying fly drones to collect data on the Z fighters for quite some time and adjusted the Androids power levels to keep up and surpass the Z fighters. He may spied on a lot of things and maybe even perhaps knew about dragon balls as well?
lmao oh please. you can have the characters not be idiots if you want. just make sure the villains are much stronger and more fearsome, to make up for it. any good writer can create drama with intelligent characters
Also, did you even watch the video? If they actually listened to Bulma, they would all end up dead. It’s only a short-sighted logical and immoral choice.
@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD Uhu. It was clearly stated that if they had listened to Bulma, that they would all have died at least in the Buu saga. Bulma suggested something straight-up evil and unjustified and Goku even explained that.
Usually stuff like this is situational dependents. On one side is stupid a lot of dumb stuff happens that causes a lot of unfortunate scenarios to happen. On the other it could be super beneficial and smart at the end of day because it came out more than what it should had happened! Dragon Ball may not have the best writing in an anime series but at the exact same time the way how it was written before Dragon Ball Super was actually genius in an ironic way. And this video pretty much the proved the point too. Job Well done 😎👍
I'd like to propose an alternative. You see Goku trains on king kais frequently. Even while alive he does so for the increased gravity. Seeing as he spends so much time in the afterlife it's not unfeasible to assume that he catches wind of the Metamorians or even meets them. It's not impossible (although i admit not as likely as I'd like it to be) that Goku would still learn the fusion dance during the 7 year time skip between the original cell saga and the buu saga. Dabura may be able to easily wipe every fighter there, but Goku doing the fusion dance with maybe Gohan (as Vegeta probably wouldn't, he may even choose to die instead given the circumstance) or others could do the fusion dance too. Vegeta also may still have a kid, it will probably just be much later on after he cools off. So Goten and Trunks may still be able to preform the fusion dance. as the fusion dance also provides a massive power reserve (massive enough for 2 kids to go SSJ3 after seeing it once) they people doing the fusion dance may even unlock SSJ2 by sheer accident simply thanks to the sheer power behind the fusion dance. Of course that last bit is the second cousin of impossible but it's a nice idea. Also Vegeta may still look to break past Super sayian after seeing Cell's power. Even if he can't do it himself as long as the idea is brought to his attention he may instill the idea in others who can do it. Mostly Goku and maybe Gohan depending on the circumstance. Which makes the previous cenario were Goku, who is trying to break the limits of super sayian, manages to do so thanks to the incredible power behined the fusion dance. There are a few options for beating Dabura, none are particularly likely but far form impossible.
Kinda off topic, but you would think Dr. Gero would have gathered the dragon balls to wish for invincibility or something since the red ribbon army was after them back in DB. So he had knowledge on them. Or he could make other wishes that would help him defeat Goku and the rest
Bulma and the gang had the dragon radar, and would have been keeping tabs on the location of the dragon balls even if they didn't gather them and keep them at capsule corp when they didn't need to make a specific wish, they'd still keep tabs on them. If Bulma noticed 2, 3, 4 balls being gathered to 1 location, she'd know somebody was collecting them, and they'd look into it to see who it was and if they were planning on making a dangerous wish that could threaten the earth. As soon as they figured out Gero was connected to the Red Ribbon Army (not hard given the logos they wear) I doubt they would let him get away lol
Good stuff the way you described how Dr. Gero would have die, with a surprise on there face. haha It's crazy how one decision can change so must, and Trunks fate to always die, is so sad. So the Androids and Cell are always created to be stronger then the Z Fighters regardless of there training in any timeline? Great video very interesting to the MAXXX!
i like the idea of gero just chilling in his lab then suddenly he’s on the lookout and killed on spot like “do-do-do-do typing on my compu- where am i-“ “KAMEHAMEHA”
What if cell learned about the dragonballs though? If cell knows dragonballs he could wish androids back and absorb them. He could then convince Vageeta to aid him with promise his perfect form. Which could realign somewhat.
Here's a what if, what if Cell reached his perfect form and survived, like maybe he blows up the Earth like he was planning to, but then what? What the hell would he even do after that? When you really think about it his plan is weird, I almost feel like his only reason for threatening to destroy the Earth was to give Goku and the others a reason to oppose him, because he wanted a good fight to entertain him. It reminds me of how Vegeta killed innocent people at the tournament, just to force Goku to fight him. I don't think Vegeta had any special desire to kill random strangers, he just knew that Goku was too soft hearted to fight him seriously unless he had a compelling reason.
@@marvelsandals4228 He would fly through space until he found someone strong enough to face him like Dabura, let Buu be revived and challenge him (and probably be defeated/absorbed by him) or end up finding Beerus and Whiss and get anihilated OR meeting Broly and suffering the same fate because of how Cell loves to toy with his enemies (his fatal mistake against Gohan). OR Beerus could take up an interest on him since he heard about the Super Sayajin God prophecy before going to sleep and he is (alongside Broly, depends on who Beerus would meet first) the only remainder of the whole Sayajin race because of his cells. He could also end up wreaking so much havoc that he would call for the attention of Kaioshin, killing him (and Beerus in the process) and eventually get stomped by either a revived Buu (without Kaioshin Babidi would be free to gather energy at peace) or by an enraged Broly when they finally meet. All of the above could be interesting What If scenarios.
Dr. Gero's supercomputer was never destroyed when Goku killed Super android 13. There's so much story they could add with the supercomputer of Dr. Gero. For example, his Supercomputer is still spying on the Z fighters even in Dragon Ball Super.
I was going to say something about how asking the Dragon to teleport Dr. Gero in front of the gang wouldn't work as he could just say "no, thanks"… but then I remembered: 1. Everyone on Namek was teleported away without consent, and 2. The one time the Dragon said "no" was when trying to _revive_ Goku after Cell. Because Goku said "no". I still have no idea how Goku was able to do that considering when the Dragon revives people, it's sometimes without their consent or even knowledge. (Buu Saga.)
@@qaamansland I feel it's more they probably mean the aspect of the what if where Future Trunks is stuck in a perpetual death time loop and Present Trunks is never born as in the reason it's the darkest what if you've made. Though i definitely think you've made darker What Ifs.
I do have a Question, and it its possibly just those things that just goes with the flow. But how did Dr. Gero in the future turned into a Cyborg If Cyborg 19 never existed.
I am assuming he turned 17 & 18 into cyborgs, but they were rebellious, so he shut them down to make sure they couldn't turn on him, then built 19. When he saw that 19 was loyal and powerful enough to defeat someone like Goku, he then decided to build another android, this time designed to be a body for a human brain. Once the preparations were complete, he programmed 19 to perform the surgery and place his brain inside the new metal body for him, to become "20."
*Creating the androids isn’t in and of itself an evil act worthy of execution. It’s like making a bomb. Okay but if he hasn’t used it yet, that’s not wrong. If they decide to pre-execute people for potentially evil acts, they’re not much better than Frieza and Cell*
Imo, here's how the main events would play out: tl;dr Buu Arc still happens and Z fighters barely win, but then they dont have enough righteous Saiyans so either Beerus kills them all or Golden Frieza does. - Vegeta never gets with Bulma, Yamcha MIGHT get back with her? - Present Cell is never discovered, because they wouldn't know about Future Cell so he's still collecting data.. waiting.. - Imperfect Cell is eventually discovered, but kills Piccolo. Vegeta, still mad that they killed Gero, bum rushes Cell to stoke his ego, only to be killed by Cell and his corpse joining Piccolo's. - Goku is forced to grab Dende from New Namek and they have dragonballs again, but they dont use them yet. - Imperfect Cell learns that the Androids are gone (either he finds the destroyed lab, or Vegeta/Piccolo tells him), either way, he goes on a rampage. - Goku and Gohan enter the time chamber, while Trunks goes down to stall for time as he's already skilled in hit & run tactics against the androids. This doesnt work very well however as Trunks is eventually found and killed, but does buy just enough time for Goku & Gohan to get a full day in the chamber. Goku should have Grade 2/3 at minimum, while Gohan has ssj grade 1 but only barely. Cell is killed by Goku. - Fast forward 7 years, Goten is born and is being trained by Goku to be Earth's new defender because Gohan didnt wanna. Vegeta MIGHT have been brought back with the dragonballs but I'm not too sure, if he is then he probably wouldn't be living on Earth. Piccolo, Trunks, etc are all brought back, but Piccolo does not fuse with Kami, instead he and Trunks go into the chamber so Trunks can be strong enough to save his future. He kills his androids but with some difficulty and barely defeats Imperfect Cell. - Babidi & Dabura show up, Shin relays the situation to the Z fighters and they all take the situation FAR more seriously as only Goku at this point would be even capable of fighting Dabura (though if Goku unlocks ssj2 at this point is unknown). - Piccolo fuses with Kami due to the dire circumstances, but is immediately turned into stone. - Gohan and Goten go to fight Babidi's minions, while Goku fights Dabura. Gohan and Goten are able to defeat PuiPui and Yakon, but Goku is about to be killed by Dabura when he is saved last minute by Shin and taken to the supreme world. - Realizing the dire circumstances, and believing Goku to be dead, the human Z fighters gather the dragon balls by keeping their ki low, while Gohan and Goten go into the chamber together as they know if Goku is brought back he'll need their help. - Having sensed the battle as well as Goku's disappearing Ki, Vegeta returns to Earth to defeat Dabura and get his revenge against Kakarot. He is quickly taken over by Babidi however, as he's still somewhat evil. - Vegeta, under mind control, tells Dabura about Kami's Lookout and a battle ensues between Dabura, the human Z fighters, and a Vegeta who's beginning to resist the mind control. Two of the three human fighters are killed, while the survivor grabs Dende (and Dende grabs one dragon ball) and flees. Vegeta, not knowing about the chamber in this What If, destroys the door, trapping Gohan and Goten. - Meanwhile, Goku has been training with the Z Sword and eventually breaks it (because Goku). He is currently having his potential unlocked while all of this goes down. - The surviving human (im just gonna say Yamcha, because he's the weakest and therefore able to hide his power the easiest) eventually goes back to the ruins of the lookout and with the unexpected help of Yajirobe helps steal the Dragonballs under Vegeta's nose who was left to guard them. (Ironically using a similar tactic to what he did on Namek to steal the balls from Frieza). - Dende uses the dragonballs, wishing for Goku to be brought back only to be told he is not dead. Dende then wishes for the lookout (and the door) to be repaired, which it is. Shortly after the balls scatter (as Dende didnt have time to upgrade them), he is killed by an infuriated Vegeta. Yamcha is likely killed trying to save him. - Goku sees all this and wants to go help, but has to wait for his potential to be unlocked. Thankfully, Gohan and Goten are able to exit the chamber having rationed out a little over a year. Both of them would have SSJ2 at this point, due to their crazy potentials and Goku would've likely knew it at least existed while training in the 7 years peace. - Gohan and Goten (albeit not at full power due to being starving) are able to work together to defeat Dabura, them being an excellent fighting duo after training together for a year straight. Dabura fulfills his mission however as Fat Buu is awakened - Goku confronts and defeats Majin Vegeta rather quickly by going immediately into his ultimate form and humiliating Vegeta for his own good (both to teach him a lesson about pride/arrogance, and because he killed his friends, so Goku beats the shit out of him, only sparing him because he knows he can be better). - Fat Buu defeats Goten and goes to kill him only for Ultimate Goku to step up. Gohan gets Goten out of there. Goku telepathically communicates with Shin & King Kai to use Namek's dragon balls to A. Revive Dende, B. Revive those killed by Dabura & Majin Vegeta, and C. To restore Gohan and Goten to full health. - Goku is able to hold Buu off long enough for this to happen, and Fat Buu is stupid and therefore wouldn't think to try to absorb Goku either. Eventually, Buu is killed with a combined Father & Sons Kamehameha. - Unfortunately, Beerus still shows up, and even if Vegeta is spared, he wouldn't be righteous enough for the ritual. Even if Goku gets SSG, or even Blue, he'd be significantly weaker than in canon and would eventually be killed either by Golden Frieza or by Goku Black. GG
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 yes he did, it's one of his older vides, What If Piccolo killed Frieza Second form and in that timeline Piccolo survived against the Androids
Well, if Piccolo survived he could fuse with Kami. If the androids don't stop him, then fused Piccolo (in the history of trunks timeline) would be stronger than the androids, so he would probably kill them. Alternatively, maybe he would just hide his power level and bide his time until they can gather the dragon balls and wish everyone back to life (if he doesn't fuse, then Kami and the dragon balls don't go away). After reviving everyone, they will probably act similar to how they did in the cell saga, they'll use the time chamber and train to try and surpass the androids, and one of the saiyans will get strong enough to defeat them. A pretty interesting what if tbh. I'm guessing the end result is nobody ever gets super saiyan 2, so they all get slaughtered later in the buu saga lol
Also, instead of killing him Bulma could just get someone who's not an idiot to wish in secret Gero to Capsule Corps and cuff him. Keep him alive to interrogate him for information which would allow them to learn about Cell since he was already collecting tissue samples. Force him to make some anti Cell poison or android busting EMP. Cell would be able to theoretically reach his goal because of Future Trunks. He only went back in time because the androids of his time weren't alive. If he sensed Future Trunks he could reason he's looking to deal with the androids so if he steals his machine he can just take the future androids A criticism of your scenarios is assuming Babidi and Zeno act like they did when they did. Future Babidi showed up at a later point. Zeno could just destroy 8 universes but when Gowasu goes 1000 years into the future Universe 10 still exists despite it being on the Tournament chopping block and this is before Beerus killed Zamasu so it wouldn't be the main timeline's future where the ToP happened
One error with the scenario is that the Dragon balls can't teleport others without conssent like Porunga couldnt bring Goku back to Earth because he didn't wanted to
@@Eric6761 Are you sure? I thought that limitation only applies to someone stronger than the person who created the dragon. Even so it wouldn't stop Bulma and a strong confidant teleporting to Gero's lab
Actually they all die You take a medicine when the illness you know.... begins Present goku began to get affected by the virus 6 months later than future goku if he took the medicine at the time future goku had it he would cure nothing pretty much poison himself as his body would take the medicine for nothing but thats not that big When he actually gets the virus in his fight against 19 he dies as they had no more medicine in that time So everyone dies after piccolo gets killed by 17 by wearing him down after he absorbed kami as piccolo gets tired and 17 doesn't Since no one thought of the time chamber not by the androids as they don't kill people who are not a threat but by cell when he absorbs them since no one would think of the time chamber or even then give gohan the guide he needs to master ssj
If the Z-Fighters brought Gero to their location, wouldn’t the super-computer complete Cell? Then he could just open the pods 17 and 18 are in and drink them immediately.
Nah, in the og series, after Trunks warns them about the androids, he travels 3 years into the future, to the day the androids appeared, to help them in their battle. When he shows up, he will find out that they actually killed Gero, and the attack on south city never happened. After that, he would suspect that Gero may have already built 1 or more androids before he bit the dust, and Trunks would want to make sure they were all destroyed so nobody could activate them later. I think he would have eventually figured out the location of his lab from Bulma, and blew it up, killing 16, 17, 18, and 19 (assuming they were just chilling in their pods when Trunks showed up), but I think Cell's room deep underground would have survived, just like in the og series, so yes, Cell would eventually hatch and wouldn't be able to absorb 17 & 18
I think the Time loop can be broken depending on Z figthers choice, either they blow up the lab alongside all Androids or leave them alone and after Piccolo kills Cell eventualy Trunks could realise he could have a Cell in his time and then the time loop would be broken but If the Z figthers doesnt feel like destroying the Androids it's the worst outcome ever, If Cell gets somehow on the lab of Gero and find the Androids pod he would absorb them and Cell probably making a Tournament, now If Goku and the rest of the figthers Don't get at least close to what they were in power from Cell Saga and Gohan or any saiyan not unlocking Super Saiyan 2 Earth is dead and About Dabura, it's stated his Power is on par With Perfect Cell soo if Goku or Vegeta manages to get super Saiyan 2 then Earth is safe and Buu dispatched and About battle of gods, simply putting everything would happen the same except Beerus would still be in a good humor and the arc ends the same except Beerus would get less impressed but still takes Goku and Vegeta to train then Golden Frieza, simply putting, that's the end of the line of my stretch, even Goku being weaker makes Frieza job of wiping saiyans significantly easier unless of course Bulma gets Beerus a dessert to him kill Frieza, the U6 vs U7 Tournament simply putting, it basicaly migth go the same if Hit gets the respect for Goku and Goku Black arc is where simply putting, weaker Trunks means majin Buu is possibly revived And they win and so Black plan is basicaly done for him by Babidi and Tournament Of Power they can't win, they are significantly weaker than their counterparts, Androids arent a factor, Piccolo isnt fused with Kami, Gohan is barely a fighter in this scenario, Humans wouldn't train as hard for 3 years and, soo everyone on the Team but Roshi gets weaker and looking how close It was the universes are erased because there is no way Jiren would do a selfless act like 17 or any Z figther and even if they did there is no majin Buu to counter moro and the end and even if they win against Moro Cell Max Just kills everybody or Granolah and gas kills
uh no. just because by being a colossal dickhead, you accidently stumbled into :"saving the world" with your dick in your hand, doesnt automatically mean you're worthy of praise.
Here's a what if scenario. What if the present Androids were the same ones from the future timeline. Which means, same power level and zero mercy for killing the Z fighters
Short scenario. Goku kills the androids after a trip to the chamber revives everybody with dendes dragon balls later and then its a standard what if goku lived the cell saga.
Goku: Spares Gero so he can fight strong androids Bulma: Wants to kill Gero then and there Me, a true man of culture: Go back in time and make sure Gero gets into art school because that's what heroes do
It's an idea but those things were brougth up as the last resort not a option from the start, the only way they could Win Dabura is either everyone ganging up on him
Jesus Christ!!! What a nightmare. And it sucks to hear that Trunks is stuck in a time loop to die indefinitely. Glad Vegeta didn't get his wish on Planet Namek 😬🥶
The thing about this what if, for me, is that there is no guarantee that Gero either wasn’t already an Android, or that 19 was already online, just with a lower powe level. I get that it’s fiction, and that it’s Dragon Ball, but it wasn’t state Ted at what point 19 was awaken, since he would be the one to turn Gero to an Android. Imagine, Goku shows up, and Gero unleashes 13, 14, and 15 !! I know it’s non-canon, but it would have made things soo much worse. Lol
We Don't know how much took for Gero make the Androids or turning himself into one but i estimate that it took 2 years and a half and of course to update his powers
Imagine they wish Gero to the lookout like a few days after Trunks warns them or something, and to their surprise he's already an android with a power level high enough to kick their asses haha
You can’t create an infinite time loop in multiverse theory, because they don’t affect each other. You would have to assume that the new timeline always creates a new timeline, but each timeline is different again.
With the Z fighters all being altered in this timeline to be a little more pragmatic and ruthless, would it be a viable strategy to just do the Dragonball wish again for their future enemies? For example, if they feel like Cell is too strong for them initially, get the dragonballs and wish him to the other side of the universe so they have time to prepare for him, or wish him to the centre of the sun to be burned to a crisp. And if they wish Babidi to the centre of the sun, that releases his magical hold on Dabura, who at that point might just pack up and leave. They also have more time arguably, to take on Babidi than they did with Cell, so Kaioshin could be like "yo we cant win, Dabura's too strong." they retreat, get a second day in the ROSAT, come out strong enough, and deal with him then. and if they're still not strong enough, they can wish for Dabura to be teleported to the other side of the universe to be dealt with at a later date. Even if theyre stuck at SSJ1 forever, their heavy training inside the ROSAT could push their bodies to new heights.
Every time one of the main characters like Goku insists on making what seems like a dumbass decision, it always turns out being the best decision ever that saved the universe in the long run lol like Krillin is about to kill Vegeta and Goku's like don't do it...I just have a REALLY bad feeling about it, I feel like we will all die later if we kill him now lol Goku must be able to see into the future
absurd. there is plenty of times where he made a video where the characters did the smart thing and it worked out fine, usually involving killing Cell earlier.
Gero was killed eventually 3-4x by Android 17 and Goku gained an alliance as a matter of fact gained few alliances with his creation. Also Android 13, 14, & 15 didn't exist in the future either.
Once again, Super kinda makes it all redundant. Just as long as Earth catches Beeru's interest before Cell and Buu can vaporize it, everybody gets the God Ki and everything moves on more or less as planeed.
Well let's remember that it wasn't Earth that caught Beerus's interest it was the vision of the Super Saiyan God (Yamoshi). Beerus then asked Whis to locate the remaining Saiyans since Planet Vegeta was destroyed. He focused in on Goku specifically because of he was able to defeat Buu and Frieza (kinda not really but you get what I mean). Beerus was prepared to destroy the earth, it wasn't until Goku proved himself that Beerus changed his mind about destroying Earth. The food was kinda an added bonus
Are you sure all 5 Androids who appear in that arc were made within three years? If Gero could build Androids that fast, then he'd probably have a whole army. I'm pretty sure that by the start of the three years Gero would already have Android 16 and probably 13, 14 and 15 finished and ready to kick Goku's ass.
Either way, even if he killed Juro sell from the future, still comes to this timeline and eventually he will find the androids and become perfect and so on and so far he’s gonna do the tournament. It’s gonna end the same way.
6:10 he definitely would fuse with kami…i’m sure kami himself knew it was about time for him to retire😂 so eventually yes i think they would’ve…which would’ve made him the strongest z fighter
I imagine Cell would still get perfect. He knows where the lab is and 18/17 are still in their pods, Cell knows where they would be as they were never activated as Gero was killed early. Cell gets perfect and everybody is like thirty steps below where they should be. Cell wins. Cell wouldn't have to kill a city as he could VERY easily find the Androids.
If this did happen I see trunks and Goku going in the time chamber for trunks to be increased, I think Goku would want trunks to get super Saiyan 2 in the time chamber and who knows maybe using the dragon balls they could ask shenlong for a year worth supply of food for 10 saiyans or something and trunks, Vegeta and Goku go in the time chamber together, those three alone would increase each other alone then they go in a second time to train (though Goku is working with trunks so his increases are so much better and because of his actual memories he'll unlock super Saiyan 2 during those 2 full years). They go out cell shows himself, he gets absolutely wrecked and a much stronger trunks peaces back to the future. During the 7 years Goku gets a job as a farmer much earlier providing for his family, Goku, Gohan and Goten train together in the idea of physical exercise which chichi would agree to and Goten is becoming at least a couple times stronger with Gohan unlocking super Saiyan and being stronger in his base with better fighting skills. Trunks would be stronger since Goten is stronger and because Vegeta has Goku to spar with the just train together becoming stronger then there canon counterpart. When videl shows up she also train with goku making her stronger as well, when the tournament happens everyone shows up like they did in canon and there's absolutely no way that Majin Buu gets released so that's the end of the arc, simple. Shin thanks the group and goes off to Beerus planet with Majin Buu egg, once Beerus wakes up he either destroys it or frees Buu to have a little fight, or Whis could release Buu for some reason (he'd have knowledge of Goku and earth now as shin probably tells him he got help) either way Buu is not being in story I guess, his fate will be left to you and what you think Whis might do to him. Beerus shows up to king Kai planet and everything happens like it does in canon, with one exception Goku trains with Whis and Vegeta immediately as chichi is satisfied with goku work during the last 10 years. This causes Goku and Vegeta to be massively more powerful than they are and Vegeta this times kills Frieza as the lack of good opponents he's had through out the years not facing off with anyone his strength. Once the universe 6 tournament happens it's just the same but Goku only needs a kaioken times 15 to break of of hits time skip. Everything will happen as it does in canon, however since Gohan and piccolo is much weaker earth probably gets destroyed but it's not like there's dragon balls or anything, so Goku and Vegeta would defeat cell max and revive everyone.
Bulma: (uses dragon balls to find Gero’s lab and tells Goku) Goku: so, Gero, I heard that you kinda want me dead?.. wanna talk ‘bout this or are we gonna fight? ‘Cause I kinda wanna fight, but you’re so old, it feels like fighting my grandpa… but that was fun… so… maybe?… *playfully punches Gero who falls to pieces at a slight tap* oh, darn it
In a nutshell, the smartest decision may not be the wisest like for example if Bulma made a time machine to see that future timeline or one of 4 different ones, any version of her older self would curse that decision of their younger self with a passion. As what happened in the main timeline would be just as bad because in the end if Babidi revives Buu anyways; the universe is doomed as say if Babidi let Buu go about the events of Hercule befriending Buu to the point where the one blonde guy with the ponytail unalives Hercule Satan briefly thus creating Evil Buu then Super Buu, Babidi would have a stronger weapon that would decimate Universe 7. Also, if Buu wasn't done with that reign of terror he'd find a way to some of the other universes theoretically speaking.
Goku seems like he’d figure out SSJ2 by himself eventually, I mean he discovered SS3 by himself, though I don’t think he’d reach to THAT point since SSJ3 seems to be VERY difficult to get since the ones who got it were Goku who was dead and Gotenks a fusion, (I’m sure our girl Caulifla will get it next time we see her but even then she’s have to work on it’s weakness). SSJ2 Goku would be able to take out Cell easily. Cell I don’t think he’d be able to know the androids are not active yet so he probably still be terrorizing Ginger Town then Goku or Vegeta would show up, give him the bad news then rough him up a little only for Cell to turn the tide. I think unless Goku has SSJ2 at this point Kami would fuse with Piccolo. Piccolo would either off Cell or stall Cell till Goku gets SSJ2. Cell would be wiped out quickly and then the Buu saga may not happen but if it did Imma sure SSJ2 Goku would take out Dabura and Buu may not even be born due to the lack of energy unless Majin Vegeta happens. Super/GT would be VERY different as Goku and Vegeta would be the only Super Saiyans and, by Beerus’ standards not impressive, so he’d probably ignore them. GT wouldn’t make it pass the Dark Star Ball saga as Pilaf would make his wish, since there’s no one there at the Lookout other then Mr. Popo, if they snuck by him there they do it here. Resulting in earth being destroyed as no one would know about the Dark Star Balls (ok maybe they would because of the giant red dragon). Though if the characters make that far they may not make it past Legicc or General Rilldo let alone Baby, who may not even become Super Baby if Rilldo kills Vegeta. The other universes at this point probably wouldn’t change at all except for 6 (no super saiyans unless Kale has a REALLY bad day) and maybe 10 (Zamasu may become an apathetic god but he can’t really do anything “too evil” because of his job as Supreme Kai, he might try to make a cult al la Cardinal Muchi Muchi, but that’s about it).
If the threat of the Android/Cell saga never escalates beyond imperfect cell, there’s a good chance that the room of spirit and time is not even touched. Enough for ssj grade 2 tops. I can see Goku finding ssj2 during the timeskip though
Hmmm, once you get the Buu arc yeah things unravel quickly, Hercule never 'saves' the world so he's basically a nobody, he likely would have been knocked out of the champion spot at some point, even if none of the Z-fighters actually ever got involved, this means Videl would be a non-entity. Gohan could still go to school in the big city, but Videl being a nobody would mean she would have no reason to go after him, even if he is acting weird. Again, because Hercule is a nobody, she's also a nobody. Basically there's really no reason for anyone to join the World Martial Arts tournament, although Supreme Kai would still end up coming, this 'might' inspire Goku to check out the strange power level. I think with Supreme Kai on the planet there would be an eventuality that Goku and crew cross paths with him and we sort of get to the same situation with Goku, Vegeta, and Kai tracking down Babidi, but no Gohan. Afterall, Kami is likely still on the planet, so he would likely sense Supreme Kai's presence and warn Goku. The fights in the spaceship would be noticeably a lot harder for them, and would expel a lot more energy. Chances are by the time Dabura steps in, he would only pull his punches against Goku and Vegeta so they can finish collecting the energy, there's no way they could beat him, so he would just toy with them, even letting them recover now and again, so assuming that, 100% chance Buu gets revived. Buu is revived and kills Dabura, meaning Piccolo and Krillan are freed from the stone prison and maybe Piccolo still kills Babidi, but that woudn't amount to much. The two would be horrible outmatched and Goku would not have access to the Fusion Dance or even SS2, basically Buu stomps. Now if we take in Toriyama plot elements here, Vegeta would end up sacrificing himself to stop Buu because his pride refuses to allow him to quit, and Goku is the one who gets brought to the Kai planet instead of Gohan. From that point, the story beats would be Goku breaks the Z-saber eventually, and would end up getting the Mystic boost from Old Kai, becoming Mystic Goku. Seeing as Gohan was about Cell-Goku level length in the original story, the power-up Goku gets should still put him at about the same level, meaning Goku would be as strong as Super Buu. However, because Hercule is a nobody, no one ever gets on Buu's good side so Buu stays evil the entire time, and thus never splits into two and becomes Super Buu. We also can assume Babadi is dead at this point, honestly it was only a matter of time before Buu killed him. Fat Buu vs Mystic Goku, Goku wins and Buu is destroyed. No Super Buu, no Kid Buu in this timeline.
qaaman, what if goku got teleported on earth while fighting frieza(namek arc) and do you think its a good idea to make a video of what if gohan and vegeta escaped from fat buu?
U don’t mention the fact that supreme Kai could have trained them with the z sword. Eventually discovering elder Kai which would get Gokus potential unlocked and he would unlock his ultimate form
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Piccolo who directly trained with Goku stated Vegeta may have surpassed even Goku, I highly doubt he's talking about a weaken sick Goku and not his true power.
I dnt kno if Goku is able to reach super sayian 3 in the original time line during 7 years of peace not knowing a ssj3 exists he might discover ssj2 on his own this is over 7 years question is if it can beat dubara’s how strong his ssj2 would be with his base form it would be a very slim damn near impossible chance all this happens but the what if ain’t over you got calculations to do
Plus both goku and vegeta knew there were levels beyond super saiyan 2 before gohan did it. Goku was the one that demonstrated the super saiyan grade system to gohan and vegeta knew about the limits of speed with trunk's buff saiyan form, so they new that there were levels higher than super saiyan. Plus they have 7 years to get to super saiyan 2 so i dont really see them struggling against Deborah if they team up. 2 to 3 super saiyan 2s and piccolo (if he fuses with kami even better). Ans since gohan wouldnt be as strong buu probably wouldnt hatch. Since vegeta lives in the 7 years training with goku alive he doesnt lose motivation and desire to become evil again so he wont help hatch buu indirectly.
@@Cratossama and if piccolo fuses with kami, Goku would grab dende from namek, Then when Beerus comes, everything will turn back to normal, except, Gohan doesn’t have PU and Goku doesn’t have SSJ3
how? when? for example his decision to stay dead is disastrous and ended up causing most of the Boo Arc, not to mention his decision to not go ssj3 on majin vegeta right away
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 his decision to stay dead may be odd but he did it for the greater good, there was peace up until he came back for a day and they have to deal with Buu that same day (ironically) What are you talking about causing most of the Buu Saga? The only time he would have some cause to that saga is fighting Majin Vegeta, and in which how can you say that but also question why he couldn’t go SSJ3 against Majin Vegeta? Not only would he cause Buu’s revival Wayyy quicker But he also would cut his time in the real world that he wouldn’t be able to introduce and teach the Fusion Technique to Goten and Trunks. If you think he can just quickly whip out the transformation for that fight did you not see how long it took for him to transform the first time?
depends. if they take the easy way out but also spam and abuse the methods of getting stronger such as immortality, kaioken, and mystic powerup, things could have gone better
Qaaman, future trunks wouldn't be stuck in a timeloop cause if Future trunks goes back to his timeline he might not go back in time a year before. We don't know why Original future trunks went back a year before piccolo just speculated why he went back
I got one... what if androids 13 , 14 and 15 were canon along side 16 ,17,18,19 ,20 and cell plot twist... raditz and nappa survived and fight on the Z-fighters ?
I dont think cell would go back to the same present timeline, but a different one with the androids since this is what the original cell that killed future trunks did
Couldnt the Cell who came back to the past use the Time Machine again to go further into the past in order to become Perfect? I mean if Trunks planned to visit the past to tell "the good news" Im sure he'd have enough fuel for a two way trip So Bulma's advice being followed results in a infinite death loop where a infinite number of Future Trunkses are murdered by a infinite number of Cells who achieved perfection while no version of present Trunks is ever born
what if goku had teleported to king kai much earlier and became a steve urkle to king kais carl? I mean annoying him all the time in those three years maybe even enough to learn instant transmission? or found namek earlier to bring back raditz and nappa and recruit them to help fight the androids?
Goku killing Dr.Gero early would have disaterous effects on the future of the Majin Buu Arc, Dragonball Super and Dragonball Gt. Everyone would be considerably weaker without training for three years and going into the Hyperbolic Time Chamber.!
okay my take is i dont think that they wouldnt train i think they would train most definitely especially goku because he literally trains no matter what because he knows threats are always gonna come and it will never be peace and he would definitely train gohan and i think they would discover all the transformations they might not be as powerful as the cannon them but i still think they would be powerful enough to still stop threats
It cracks me up Vegeta threatening Bulma like he’d do something when Goku right there would 1 tap him in base form casually at that point lmaoo
He's lucky canon Broly wasn't there. 😂
Lol i forgot that Goku base was stronger than Vegeta at that point, Vegeta had guts... and stupidity
@@UnwantedGhost1 broly canon luckily cuz plot protect him getting ui theme playing
@@nguoisaohoa6410 you meat riding
@@Eric6761 I'm not sure about that. Vegeta trained for nearly two years while Goku was busy learning the Instanteneous Movement. Vegeta even said to him not to be cocky just because he turned Super Saiyan because he is the no1 Saiyan implying that if Goku wasn't a SSJ Vegeta would be the stronger of the two.
The infinite loop of Cell killing Trunks and creating new timelines might get the supreme kai/supreme kai of time involved.
zeno: WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING
and delete all existence
I love the idea of Gero scheming in his dank lab and then Goku pops in out of nowhere, just to one-shot him. Makes me cackle, lol.
Goku just ITs into the lab with a Full Power Kamehameha charged up.
Dr Gero: NOOoooOOO! *dies*
😂
You missed the scenario where master roshi mafubos imperfect cell and seals him away lol
@@mogalixir devil man takes out Frezia black Lmao
@@cc31reaper Devilman takes Beerus and Zeno
@@Eric6761 I don’t know if they have evil in their heart like zamzu Dosent have evil in his heart because he believes he is doing good it is beerus nature to destroy he is a god so idk but Zeno is a mystery would be funny though
@@cc31reaper Beerus knows what he does is messed up like he destroy planets for nothing and is petty, not saying Beerus is pure Evil but good...no about Zeno is a mystery
@@Eric6761 he does know what he is doing is wrong but it’s kinda in his very nature he is the god of destruction it’s kinda in the job description he needs to destroy in order to bring balance to the universe if he didn’t the world would lose balance so ye is technically doing good and I think that is how he sees it but you definitely could debate that he enjoys it to much but at same time is in his nature
As we know all the mistakes and not listening or doing the logical things somehow almost always has a happy ending
not necessarily. hes done plenty of what ifs that worked out fine. usually involving goku not dying at Cell Games
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 yes they work out for the time being but not in the distant future were it all goes wrong, but also what are you talking about?
That feels like rewarding the characters for being idiots. Not that I don't think Masako X kind of gives certain characters more depth than they should but he at least makes bad endings feel earned
@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD it never goes wrong. apart from zeno maybe erasing U7
@@redjirachi1 but the characters ARE idiots.
and turning them into somehow gigageniuses to avoid a apocalypse ending is something what if youtubers do ALL THE TIME.
I actually pictured the scenario of them wishing Gero to them and just imagined all the Z Fighters just jumping one old man 😂😂😂😂
And everyone cheered
i love how both Bulma and Trunks tried to use basic logic .
No wonder Present Trunks grown to be cocky and arrogant, there wasnt enough Bulma to balance him
Maybe this is how the unseen timeline went.
tbh that's a good point. It would explain a lot lol
Yup
Your What if scenarios are amazing. i love how you explain them, specially with the dark endings. Please keep doing them!
Assuming his lab is still intact the RR army would just take over his research and with direct access to his computers and blueprints they might not even need Dr hedo (assuming they get to the lab before trunks does)
True but at the time the Cell Saga was created it was about 2 decades before we knew anyone form the Ted Ribbon Army survived other then Gero.
Isn't that what they did in Super hero?
@@theredshinobi5940 Prety much, that’s why I said about 2 decades before we discovered that anyone else from the army survived.
@@MrJWTH No duh. He was just giving a non meta scenario.
Without a prior perfect Cell to work from, Cell Max would likely be a lot weaker in this situation.
There is also another scenario, Cell is the root of the loop itself.
Cell goes back in time early to absorb 18 and 17 before our Trunks warns Goku about aritifical beings , this means now Cell is in his perfect state earlier ( a bit weaker but not much considering the overal power he had) .
Anyone that can sense Ki now feels a power to impossible to estimate ,Cell begins to kill out of fun and leasure since there isnt anyting anyone can do plus he too can sense them , he might even take them all just to trash them and come up with a "better be ready next time" .
Remember Cell once he became perfect said " wold conquest and killing Goku doesnt mean much to me " meaning he would eventual let our fighters become stronger to his own fun.
Trunks arrives when our fighters consider "alternatives " Piccolo is gonna fuse with Kami anwyay, Goku and Vegeta are gonna consider power beyond SSJ since they already witnessed Cell (still supressed) .
The evens sort of play like we already know , Goku and Gohan are going in the time chamber , Vegeta with Trunks now all of them have a point of reference to perfect Cell (regardless of supressed ) .
The end result is that they might end up stronger then what we know , because Vegeta "sensed" and trained for a weaker point of reference like 17,18 (didnt knew how strong they were ) and impefect cell.
He might actually be as strong as MSSJ Goku while Goku might come closer to cell in power and Gohan might be stronger or equal to SSJ2 that we know
All because Cell comes ealier and reaches his perfect state right where "the android " saga should have been.
Gero: Finally, after years of construction, I have made the ulitmate-
*pop*
Goku: Hey it’s me, Goku!
Gero: what the hell?!!
Considering that Dr Gero. Had those spying fly drones to collect data on the Z fighters for quite some time and adjusted the Androids power levels to keep up and surpass the Z fighters. He may spied on a lot of things and maybe even perhaps knew about dragon balls as well?
Of course they wouldn't do the logical thing then we wouldn't have a manga or show
lmao oh please.
you can have the characters not be idiots if you want. just make sure the villains are much stronger and more fearsome, to make up for it. any good writer can create drama with intelligent characters
It’s not because they are idiots, it’s because you can’t just stop someone that hasn’t done anything wrong yet.
Also, did you even watch the video? If they actually listened to Bulma, they would all end up dead. It’s only a short-sighted logical and immoral choice.
@@GodVanisher did you watch the video?
@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD Uhu. It was clearly stated that if they had listened to Bulma, that they would all have died at least in the Buu saga. Bulma suggested something straight-up evil and unjustified and Goku even explained that.
Usually stuff like this is situational dependents.
On one side is stupid a lot of dumb stuff happens that causes a lot of unfortunate scenarios to happen.
On the other it could be super beneficial and smart at the end of day because it came out more than what it should had happened!
Dragon Ball may not have the best writing in an anime series but at the exact same time the way how it was written before Dragon Ball Super was actually genius in an ironic way.
And this video pretty much the proved the point too. Job Well done 😎👍
I'd like to propose an alternative. You see Goku trains on king kais frequently. Even while alive he does so for the increased gravity. Seeing as he spends so much time in the afterlife it's not unfeasible to assume that he catches wind of the Metamorians or even meets them. It's not impossible (although i admit not as likely as I'd like it to be) that Goku would still learn the fusion dance during the 7 year time skip between the original cell saga and the buu saga.
Dabura may be able to easily wipe every fighter there, but Goku doing the fusion dance with maybe Gohan (as Vegeta probably wouldn't, he may even choose to die instead given the circumstance) or others could do the fusion dance too. Vegeta also may still have a kid, it will probably just be much later on after he cools off. So Goten and Trunks may still be able to preform the fusion dance.
as the fusion dance also provides a massive power reserve (massive enough for 2 kids to go SSJ3 after seeing it once) they people doing the fusion dance may even unlock SSJ2 by sheer accident simply thanks to the sheer power behind the fusion dance. Of course that last bit is the second cousin of impossible but it's a nice idea.
Also Vegeta may still look to break past Super sayian after seeing Cell's power. Even if he can't do it himself as long as the idea is brought to his attention he may instill the idea in others who can do it. Mostly Goku and maybe Gohan depending on the circumstance. Which makes the previous cenario were Goku, who is trying to break the limits of super sayian, manages to do so thanks to the incredible power behined the fusion dance.
There are a few options for beating Dabura, none are particularly likely but far form impossible.
Kinda off topic, but you would think Dr. Gero would have gathered the dragon balls to wish for invincibility or something since the red ribbon army was after them back in DB. So he had knowledge on them. Or he could make other wishes that would help him defeat Goku and the rest
he might have thought it was massive overkill compared to his original plan
Bulma and the gang had the dragon radar, and would have been keeping tabs on the location of the dragon balls even if they didn't gather them and keep them at capsule corp when they didn't need to make a specific wish, they'd still keep tabs on them. If Bulma noticed 2, 3, 4 balls being gathered to 1 location, she'd know somebody was collecting them, and they'd look into it to see who it was and if they were planning on making a dangerous wish that could threaten the earth. As soon as they figured out Gero was connected to the Red Ribbon Army (not hard given the logos they wear) I doubt they would let him get away lol
Good stuff the way you described how Dr. Gero would have die, with a surprise on there face. haha
It's crazy how one decision can change so must, and Trunks fate to always die, is so sad.
So the Androids and Cell are always created to be stronger then the Z Fighters regardless of there training in any timeline?
Great video very interesting to the MAXXX!
Dude I just watched this arc for the first time in years like 2 days ago so I’m hype to see this. Love that you’re back Mr. Q
i like the idea of gero just chilling in his lab then suddenly he’s on the lookout and killed on spot like
“do-do-do-do typing on my compu- where am i-“
“KAMEHAMEHA”
I asked this question once in a live stream when you were driving with a friend.
Wow, you have seen me for years
@@qaamansland It's not my fault you make good content ;P
What if cell learned about the dragonballs though? If cell knows dragonballs he could wish androids back and absorb them. He could then convince Vageeta to aid him with promise his perfect form. Which could realign somewhat.
Here's a what if, what if Cell reached his perfect form and survived, like maybe he blows up the Earth like he was planning to, but then what? What the hell would he even do after that? When you really think about it his plan is weird, I almost feel like his only reason for threatening to destroy the Earth was to give Goku and the others a reason to oppose him, because he wanted a good fight to entertain him. It reminds me of how Vegeta killed innocent people at the tournament, just to force Goku to fight him. I don't think Vegeta had any special desire to kill random strangers, he just knew that Goku was too soft hearted to fight him seriously unless he had a compelling reason.
@@marvelsandals4228 He would fly through space until he found someone strong enough to face him like Dabura, let Buu be revived and challenge him (and probably be defeated/absorbed by him) or end up finding Beerus and Whiss and get anihilated OR meeting Broly and suffering the same fate because of how Cell loves to toy with his enemies (his fatal mistake against Gohan). OR Beerus could take up an interest on him since he heard about the Super Sayajin God prophecy before going to sleep and he is (alongside Broly, depends on who Beerus would meet first) the only remainder of the whole Sayajin race because of his cells. He could also end up wreaking so much havoc that he would call for the attention of Kaioshin, killing him (and Beerus in the process) and eventually get stomped by either a revived Buu (without Kaioshin Babidi would be free to gather energy at peace) or by an enraged Broly when they finally meet.
All of the above could be interesting What If scenarios.
Dragon Ball is the one continuity where decisions made with ego and hubris lead to better outcomes.
not necessarily. hes made plenty of videos where the outcome was fine, usually involving killing cell earlier and goku surviving that arc
Dr. Gero's supercomputer was never destroyed when Goku killed Super android 13. There's so much story they could add with the supercomputer of Dr. Gero. For example, his Supercomputer is still spying on the Z fighters even in Dragon Ball Super.
Plot demanded stakes.
But realistic this is how they should proceed. 😅👌🏽
any writer can create good plots without turning his characters into idiots
I was going to say something about how asking the Dragon to teleport Dr. Gero in front of the gang wouldn't work as he could just say "no, thanks"… but then I remembered: 1. Everyone on Namek was teleported away without consent, and 2. The one time the Dragon said "no" was when trying to _revive_ Goku after Cell. Because Goku said "no".
I still have no idea how Goku was able to do that considering when the Dragon revives people, it's sometimes without their consent or even knowledge. (Buu Saga.)
Goku: "Gero didn't do anything yet".
Red Ribbon Army Saga: Goku fighting killer robots.
Your what if videos brings back memories from 2014
This is definetly one of the darkest what ifs ever done on the channel
Reason?
@@qaamansland the future trunks permenant death cycle
@@qaamansland I feel it's more they probably mean the aspect of the what if where Future Trunks is stuck in a perpetual death time loop and Present Trunks is never born as in the reason it's the darkest what if you've made. Though i definitely think you've made darker What Ifs.
@@qaamansland bro is so deep
I do have a Question, and it its possibly just those things that just goes with the flow. But how did Dr. Gero in the future turned into a Cyborg If Cyborg 19 never existed.
He didn't I'm preety sure
I am assuming he turned 17 & 18 into cyborgs, but they were rebellious, so he shut them down to make sure they couldn't turn on him, then built 19. When he saw that 19 was loyal and powerful enough to defeat someone like Goku, he then decided to build another android, this time designed to be a body for a human brain. Once the preparations were complete, he programmed 19 to perform the surgery and place his brain inside the new metal body for him, to become "20."
*Creating the androids isn’t in and of itself an evil act worthy of execution. It’s like making a bomb. Okay but if he hasn’t used it yet, that’s not wrong. If they decide to pre-execute people for potentially evil acts, they’re not much better than Frieza and Cell*
Gero was a known member of a former terrorist organization that had already tried conquering the world once.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 he was a scientist for that organization but even n*zis had trials
Bobbidi probably wouldn't even come because he was attracted to Earth because of the Perfect Cell vs Teen Gohan fight.
Imo, here's how the main events would play out: tl;dr Buu Arc still happens and Z fighters barely win, but then they dont have enough righteous Saiyans so either Beerus kills them all or Golden Frieza does.
- Vegeta never gets with Bulma, Yamcha MIGHT get back with her?
- Present Cell is never discovered, because they wouldn't know about Future Cell so he's still collecting data.. waiting..
- Imperfect Cell is eventually discovered, but kills Piccolo. Vegeta, still mad that they killed Gero, bum rushes Cell to stoke his ego, only to be killed by Cell and his corpse joining Piccolo's.
- Goku is forced to grab Dende from New Namek and they have dragonballs again, but they dont use them yet.
- Imperfect Cell learns that the Androids are gone (either he finds the destroyed lab, or Vegeta/Piccolo tells him), either way, he goes on a rampage.
- Goku and Gohan enter the time chamber, while Trunks goes down to stall for time as he's already skilled in hit & run tactics against the androids. This doesnt work very well however as Trunks is eventually found and killed, but does buy just enough time for Goku & Gohan to get a full day in the chamber. Goku should have Grade 2/3 at minimum, while Gohan has ssj grade 1 but only barely. Cell is killed by Goku.
- Fast forward 7 years, Goten is born and is being trained by Goku to be Earth's new defender because Gohan didnt wanna. Vegeta MIGHT have been brought back with the dragonballs but I'm not too sure, if he is then he probably wouldn't be living on Earth. Piccolo, Trunks, etc are all brought back, but Piccolo does not fuse with Kami, instead he and Trunks go into the chamber so Trunks can be strong enough to save his future. He kills his androids but with some difficulty and barely defeats Imperfect Cell.
- Babidi & Dabura show up, Shin relays the situation to the Z fighters and they all take the situation FAR more seriously as only Goku at this point would be even capable of fighting Dabura (though if Goku unlocks ssj2 at this point is unknown).
- Piccolo fuses with Kami due to the dire circumstances, but is immediately turned into stone.
- Gohan and Goten go to fight Babidi's minions, while Goku fights Dabura. Gohan and Goten are able to defeat PuiPui and Yakon, but Goku is about to be killed by Dabura when he is saved last minute by Shin and taken to the supreme world.
- Realizing the dire circumstances, and believing Goku to be dead, the human Z fighters gather the dragon balls by keeping their ki low, while Gohan and Goten go into the chamber together as they know if Goku is brought back he'll need their help.
- Having sensed the battle as well as Goku's disappearing Ki, Vegeta returns to Earth to defeat Dabura and get his revenge against Kakarot. He is quickly taken over by Babidi however, as he's still somewhat evil.
- Vegeta, under mind control, tells Dabura about Kami's Lookout and a battle ensues between Dabura, the human Z fighters, and a Vegeta who's beginning to resist the mind control. Two of the three human fighters are killed, while the survivor grabs Dende (and Dende grabs one dragon ball) and flees. Vegeta, not knowing about the chamber in this What If, destroys the door, trapping Gohan and Goten.
- Meanwhile, Goku has been training with the Z Sword and eventually breaks it (because Goku). He is currently having his potential unlocked while all of this goes down.
- The surviving human (im just gonna say Yamcha, because he's the weakest and therefore able to hide his power the easiest) eventually goes back to the ruins of the lookout and with the unexpected help of Yajirobe helps steal the Dragonballs under Vegeta's nose who was left to guard them. (Ironically using a similar tactic to what he did on Namek to steal the balls from Frieza).
- Dende uses the dragonballs, wishing for Goku to be brought back only to be told he is not dead. Dende then wishes for the lookout (and the door) to be repaired, which it is. Shortly after the balls scatter (as Dende didnt have time to upgrade them), he is killed by an infuriated Vegeta. Yamcha is likely killed trying to save him.
- Goku sees all this and wants to go help, but has to wait for his potential to be unlocked. Thankfully, Gohan and Goten are able to exit the chamber having rationed out a little over a year. Both of them would have SSJ2 at this point, due to their crazy potentials and Goku would've likely knew it at least existed while training in the 7 years peace.
- Gohan and Goten (albeit not at full power due to being starving) are able to work together to defeat Dabura, them being an excellent fighting duo after training together for a year straight. Dabura fulfills his mission however as Fat Buu is awakened
- Goku confronts and defeats Majin Vegeta rather quickly by going immediately into his ultimate form and humiliating Vegeta for his own good (both to teach him a lesson about pride/arrogance, and because he killed his friends, so Goku beats the shit out of him, only sparing him because he knows he can be better).
- Fat Buu defeats Goten and goes to kill him only for Ultimate Goku to step up. Gohan gets Goten out of there. Goku telepathically communicates with Shin & King Kai to use Namek's dragon balls to A. Revive Dende, B. Revive those killed by Dabura & Majin Vegeta, and C. To restore Gohan and Goten to full health.
- Goku is able to hold Buu off long enough for this to happen, and Fat Buu is stupid and therefore wouldn't think to try to absorb Goku either. Eventually, Buu is killed with a combined Father & Sons Kamehameha.
- Unfortunately, Beerus still shows up, and even if Vegeta is spared, he wouldn't be righteous enough for the ritual. Even if Goku gets SSG, or even Blue, he'd be significantly weaker than in canon and would eventually be killed either by Golden Frieza or by Goku Black. GG
It’s krazy cause I’m rewatching dbz rn and I’m at this exact moment, and was thinking about posting a yt video on it
thank you for bringing what ifs back! Please do what if Piccolo survived the first attack by the Androids instead of Gohan
He did one where Piccolo killed Frieza and Piccolo survived the Androids
@@Eric6761 no he didnt.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 yes he did, it's one of his older vides, What If Piccolo killed Frieza Second form and in that timeline Piccolo survived against the Androids
Well, if Piccolo survived he could fuse with Kami. If the androids don't stop him, then fused Piccolo (in the history of trunks timeline) would be stronger than the androids, so he would probably kill them. Alternatively, maybe he would just hide his power level and bide his time until they can gather the dragon balls and wish everyone back to life (if he doesn't fuse, then Kami and the dragon balls don't go away). After reviving everyone, they will probably act similar to how they did in the cell saga, they'll use the time chamber and train to try and surpass the androids, and one of the saiyans will get strong enough to defeat them. A pretty interesting what if tbh. I'm guessing the end result is nobody ever gets super saiyan 2, so they all get slaughtered later in the buu saga lol
Also, instead of killing him Bulma could just get someone who's not an idiot to wish in secret Gero to Capsule Corps and cuff him. Keep him alive to interrogate him for information which would allow them to learn about Cell since he was already collecting tissue samples. Force him to make some anti Cell poison or android busting EMP.
Cell would be able to theoretically reach his goal because of Future Trunks. He only went back in time because the androids of his time weren't alive. If he sensed Future Trunks he could reason he's looking to deal with the androids so if he steals his machine he can just take the future androids
A criticism of your scenarios is assuming Babidi and Zeno act like they did when they did. Future Babidi showed up at a later point. Zeno could just destroy 8 universes but when Gowasu goes 1000 years into the future Universe 10 still exists despite it being on the Tournament chopping block and this is before Beerus killed Zamasu so it wouldn't be the main timeline's future where the ToP happened
instead of killing him, they could ask the dragon to rewrire gero's brain so he isnt evil anymore.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 i Don't think Shenron can overrride someone mind and it's basicaly lobotomy with a good intention
One error with the scenario is that the Dragon balls can't teleport others without conssent like Porunga couldnt bring Goku back to Earth because he didn't wanted to
@@Eric6761 Are you sure? I thought that limitation only applies to someone stronger than the person who created the dragon. Even so it wouldn't stop Bulma and a strong confidant teleporting to Gero's lab
@@redjirachi1 i think i am sure since If Porunga really could teleport someone without conssent he would just send Goku back to Earth
If Goku took the medicine everything would have been fine untill the Buu saga
How? It would just play out the same, the only difference would be goku would got the chance to fighting 16
Actually they all die
You take a medicine when the illness you know.... begins
Present goku began to get affected by the virus 6 months later than future goku if he took the medicine at the time future goku had it he would cure nothing pretty much poison himself as his body would take the medicine for nothing but thats not that big
When he actually gets the virus in his fight against 19 he dies as they had no more medicine in that time
So everyone dies after piccolo gets killed by 17 by wearing him down after he absorbed kami as piccolo gets tired and 17 doesn't
Since no one thought of the time chamber not by the androids as they don't kill people who are not a threat but by cell when he absorbs them since no one would think of the time chamber or even then give gohan the guide he needs to master ssj
No. You forgot Android 16….
Great video man!
Dude always has the best what if’s
Why le ring?
Another awesome video today, 🙏🏼
@Qaaman,. Perhaps Shin would teleport the Z-Fighters, for Z Sword training.
If the Z-Fighters brought Gero to their location, wouldn’t the super-computer complete Cell? Then he could just open the pods 17 and 18 are in and drink them immediately.
Nah, in the og series, after Trunks warns them about the androids, he travels 3 years into the future, to the day the androids appeared, to help them in their battle. When he shows up, he will find out that they actually killed Gero, and the attack on south city never happened. After that, he would suspect that Gero may have already built 1 or more androids before he bit the dust, and Trunks would want to make sure they were all destroyed so nobody could activate them later. I think he would have eventually figured out the location of his lab from Bulma, and blew it up, killing 16, 17, 18, and 19 (assuming they were just chilling in their pods when Trunks showed up), but I think Cell's room deep underground would have survived, just like in the og series, so yes, Cell would eventually hatch and wouldn't be able to absorb 17 & 18
@@marvelsandals4228 If they don’t train, Imperfect Cell would still be quite the challenge.
I think the Time loop can be broken depending on Z figthers choice, either they blow up the lab alongside all Androids or leave them alone and after Piccolo kills Cell eventualy Trunks could realise he could have a Cell in his time and then the time loop would be broken but If the Z figthers doesnt feel like destroying the Androids it's the worst outcome ever, If Cell gets somehow on the lab of Gero and find the Androids pod he would absorb them and Cell probably making a Tournament, now If Goku and the rest of the figthers Don't get at least close to what they were in power from Cell Saga and Gohan or any saiyan not unlocking Super Saiyan 2 Earth is dead and About Dabura, it's stated his Power is on par With Perfect Cell soo if Goku or Vegeta manages to get super Saiyan 2 then Earth is safe and Buu dispatched and About battle of gods, simply putting everything would happen the same except Beerus would still be in a good humor and the arc ends the same except Beerus would get less impressed but still takes Goku and Vegeta to train then Golden Frieza, simply putting, that's the end of the line of my stretch, even Goku being weaker makes Frieza job of wiping saiyans significantly easier unless of course Bulma gets Beerus a dessert to him kill Frieza, the U6 vs U7 Tournament simply putting, it basicaly migth go the same if Hit gets the respect for Goku and Goku Black arc is where simply putting, weaker Trunks means majin Buu is possibly revived And they win and so Black plan is basicaly done for him by Babidi and Tournament Of Power they can't win, they are significantly weaker than their counterparts, Androids arent a factor, Piccolo isnt fused with Kami, Gohan is barely a fighter in this scenario, Humans wouldn't train as hard for 3 years and, soo everyone on the Team but Roshi gets weaker and looking how close It was the universes are erased because there is no way Jiren would do a selfless act like 17 or any Z figther and even if they did there is no majin Buu to counter moro and the end and even if they win against Moro Cell Max Just kills everybody or Granolah and gas kills
wonder why goku didnt get ressurected when he contracted the hear virus from future trunks timeline, just wish him back alive
The Dragon balls (Earth and Namek) can not revive someone who has died of natural causes, but the super dragon balls can
@@Greenzonin ok didn't know that
A legend with a widows peak once said "Dust this bitch!"
Hear me out. Saiyan Pride > Logical Thinking
You mean warriors spirit
5:34 wow bulma really likes goku
So... Vegetas thirst for battle really did save the world for a countless future events. And that is why Bulma should have felled for him
uh no. just because by being a colossal dickhead, you accidently stumbled into :"saving the world" with your dick in your hand, doesnt automatically mean you're worthy of praise.
@@DeusEversor ……….what happened?
@@Where_da_cheese_at some douche said, that no matter how much you would save, you deserve absolutely no praise for doing so. I dont know why
@@DeusEversor huh
Here's a what if scenario. What if the present Androids were the same ones from the future timeline. Which means, same power level and zero mercy for killing the Z fighters
Then vegeta beats 18 but would struggle a bit against 17 if they are the same level as the future ones
Then it would be just a repeat of Future Trunks' timeline except Cell gets 17 and 18 eventually.
@@zerofudou5689 but the androids are weaker and the Z fighters would be more prepared
Short scenario. Goku kills the androids after a trip to the chamber revives everybody with dendes dragon balls later and then its a standard what if goku lived the cell saga.
Goku: Spares Gero so he can fight strong androids
Bulma: Wants to kill Gero then and there
Me, a true man of culture: Go back in time and make sure Gero gets into art school because that's what heroes do
butterfly effect: buu kills everyone
Cell would destroy this timeline
Goku could get Ultimate/Mystic form like Gohan did from the Elder Kai to defeat Dabura. Potara fusion is also an option.
It's an idea but those things were brougth up as the last resort not a option from the start, the only way they could Win Dabura is either everyone ganging up on him
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Jesus Christ!!! What a nightmare. And it sucks to hear that Trunks is stuck in a time loop to die indefinitely. Glad Vegeta didn't get his wish on Planet Namek 😬🥶
Killing Gero leaves the androids dormant and right there for cell to absorb upon awakening
I think Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan would still learn SSJ2
Not gohan, he wouldn't train at all, goku and vegeta would tho
The thing about this what if, for me, is that there is no guarantee that Gero either wasn’t already an Android, or that 19 was already online, just with a lower powe level.
I get that it’s fiction, and that it’s Dragon Ball, but it wasn’t state Ted at what point 19 was awaken, since he would be the one to turn Gero to an Android.
Imagine, Goku shows up, and Gero unleashes 13, 14, and 15 !! I know it’s non-canon, but it would have made things soo much worse. Lol
We Don't know how much took for Gero make the Androids or turning himself into one but i estimate that it took 2 years and a half and of course to update his powers
Imagine they wish Gero to the lookout like a few days after Trunks warns them or something, and to their surprise he's already an android with a power level high enough to kick their asses haha
You can’t create an infinite time loop in multiverse theory, because they don’t affect each other. You would have to assume that the new timeline always creates a new timeline, but each timeline is different again.
I wonder if Vegeta actually meant it when he said he would kill Bulma
Probably.
He was killing nameks not even weeks before this so yeh
He would just take out all his pent up frustration on her another way lol
Goku would absolutely not let him do that, specially after learning how to teleport.
With the Z fighters all being altered in this timeline to be a little more pragmatic and ruthless, would it be a viable strategy to just do the Dragonball wish again for their future enemies? For example, if they feel like Cell is too strong for them initially, get the dragonballs and wish him to the other side of the universe so they have time to prepare for him, or wish him to the centre of the sun to be burned to a crisp.
And if they wish Babidi to the centre of the sun, that releases his magical hold on Dabura, who at that point might just pack up and leave.
They also have more time arguably, to take on Babidi than they did with Cell, so Kaioshin could be like "yo we cant win, Dabura's too strong." they retreat, get a second day in the ROSAT, come out strong enough, and deal with him then.
and if they're still not strong enough, they can wish for Dabura to be teleported to the other side of the universe to be dealt with at a later date.
Even if theyre stuck at SSJ1 forever, their heavy training inside the ROSAT could push their bodies to new heights.
Every time one of the main characters like Goku insists on making what seems like a dumbass decision, it always turns out being the best decision ever that saved the universe in the long run lol like Krillin is about to kill Vegeta and Goku's like don't do it...I just have a REALLY bad feeling about it, I feel like we will all die later if we kill him now lol Goku must be able to see into the future
absurd. there is plenty of times where he made a video where the characters did the smart thing and it worked out fine, usually involving killing Cell earlier.
Gero was killed eventually 3-4x by Android 17 and Goku gained an alliance as a matter of fact gained few alliances with his creation. Also Android 13, 14, & 15 didn't exist in the future either.
It sounds like Bob Belcher is narrating this lol
Trunks getting GER and/or not existing is why goku and vegeta choices mattered.
Wouldn't cell just use the time machine to ensure gero survives?
Goku pushed Dr Gero's wig back.
Once again, Super kinda makes it all redundant. Just as long as Earth catches Beeru's interest before Cell and Buu can vaporize it, everybody gets the God Ki and everything moves on more or less as planeed.
Well let's remember that it wasn't Earth that caught Beerus's interest it was the vision of the Super Saiyan God (Yamoshi). Beerus then asked Whis to locate the remaining Saiyans since Planet Vegeta was destroyed. He focused in on Goku specifically because of he was able to defeat Buu and Frieza (kinda not really but you get what I mean). Beerus was prepared to destroy the earth, it wasn't until Goku proved himself that Beerus changed his mind about destroying Earth. The food was kinda an added bonus
Please, Goku aka Mr. “I wanna fight you at your strongest and give you senzu bean” it was never an option to try to find Gero 😂
Are you sure all 5 Androids who appear in that arc were made within three years? If Gero could build Androids that fast, then he'd probably have a whole army. I'm pretty sure that by the start of the three years Gero would already have Android 16 and probably 13, 14 and 15 finished and ready to kick Goku's ass.
It would be the end of Cell and android saga
And right before I was about to go to bed, thanks 😂😂
It's funny how things work out, sometimes.
Either way, even if he killed Juro sell from the future, still comes to this timeline and eventually he will find the androids and become perfect and so on and so far he’s gonna do the tournament. It’s gonna end the same way.
6:10 he definitely would fuse with kami…i’m sure kami himself knew it was about time for him to retire😂 so eventually yes i think they would’ve…which would’ve made him the strongest z fighter
I wonder if enough imperfect cells absorbing each other could create a perfect cell through sheer numbers
Infinitely perfect cell
I imagine Cell would still get perfect. He knows where the lab is and 18/17 are still in their pods, Cell knows where they would be as they were never activated as Gero was killed early. Cell gets perfect and everybody is like thirty steps below where they should be. Cell wins. Cell wouldn't have to kill a city as he could VERY easily find the Androids.
If this did happen I see trunks and Goku going in the time chamber for trunks to be increased, I think Goku would want trunks to get super Saiyan 2 in the time chamber and who knows maybe using the dragon balls they could ask shenlong for a year worth supply of food for 10 saiyans or something and trunks, Vegeta and Goku go in the time chamber together, those three alone would increase each other alone then they go in a second time to train (though Goku is working with trunks so his increases are so much better and because of his actual memories he'll unlock super Saiyan 2 during those 2 full years).
They go out cell shows himself, he gets absolutely wrecked and a much stronger trunks peaces back to the future.
During the 7 years Goku gets a job as a farmer much earlier providing for his family, Goku, Gohan and Goten train together in the idea of physical exercise which chichi would agree to and Goten is becoming at least a couple times stronger with Gohan unlocking super Saiyan and being stronger in his base with better fighting skills.
Trunks would be stronger since Goten is stronger and because Vegeta has Goku to spar with the just train together becoming stronger then there canon counterpart.
When videl shows up she also train with goku making her stronger as well, when the tournament happens everyone shows up like they did in canon and there's absolutely no way that Majin Buu gets released so that's the end of the arc, simple.
Shin thanks the group and goes off to Beerus planet with Majin Buu egg, once Beerus wakes up he either destroys it or frees Buu to have a little fight, or Whis could release Buu for some reason (he'd have knowledge of Goku and earth now as shin probably tells him he got help) either way Buu is not being in story I guess, his fate will be left to you and what you think Whis might do to him.
Beerus shows up to king Kai planet and everything happens like it does in canon, with one exception Goku trains with Whis and Vegeta immediately as chichi is satisfied with goku work during the last 10 years. This causes Goku and Vegeta to be massively more powerful than they are and
Vegeta this times kills Frieza as the lack of good opponents he's had through out the years not facing off with anyone his strength.
Once the universe 6 tournament happens it's just the same but Goku only needs a kaioken times 15 to break of of hits time skip.
Everything will happen as it does in canon, however since Gohan and piccolo is much weaker earth probably gets destroyed but it's not like there's dragon balls or anything, so Goku and Vegeta would defeat cell max and revive everyone.
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Bulma: (uses dragon balls to find Gero’s lab and tells Goku)
Goku: so, Gero, I heard that you kinda want me dead?.. wanna talk ‘bout this or are we gonna fight? ‘Cause I kinda wanna fight, but you’re so old, it feels like fighting my grandpa… but that was fun… so… maybe?… *playfully punches Gero who falls to pieces at a slight tap* oh, darn it
In a nutshell, the smartest decision may not be the wisest like for example if Bulma made a time machine to see that future timeline or one of 4 different ones, any version of her older self would curse that decision of their younger self with a passion. As what happened in the main timeline would be just as bad because in the end if Babidi revives Buu anyways; the universe is doomed as say if Babidi let Buu go about the events of Hercule befriending Buu to the point where the one blonde guy with the ponytail unalives Hercule Satan briefly thus creating Evil Buu then Super Buu, Babidi would have a stronger weapon that would decimate Universe 7. Also, if Buu wasn't done with that reign of terror he'd find a way to some of the other universes theoretically speaking.
nope. as long as everyone keeps on making smart decisions, the earth will be fine.
Goku seems like he’d figure out SSJ2 by himself eventually, I mean he discovered SS3 by himself, though I don’t think he’d reach to THAT point since SSJ3 seems to be VERY difficult to get since the ones who got it were Goku who was dead and Gotenks a fusion, (I’m sure our girl Caulifla will get it next time we see her but even then she’s have to work on it’s weakness). SSJ2 Goku would be able to take out Cell easily. Cell I don’t think he’d be able to know the androids are not active yet so he probably still be terrorizing Ginger Town then Goku or Vegeta would show up, give him the bad news then rough him up a little only for Cell to turn the tide. I think unless Goku has SSJ2 at this point Kami would fuse with Piccolo. Piccolo would either off Cell or stall Cell till Goku gets SSJ2. Cell would be wiped out quickly and then the Buu saga may not happen but if it did Imma sure SSJ2 Goku would take out Dabura and Buu may not even be born due to the lack of energy unless Majin Vegeta happens. Super/GT would be VERY different as Goku and Vegeta would be the only Super Saiyans and, by Beerus’ standards not impressive, so he’d probably ignore them. GT wouldn’t make it pass the Dark Star Ball saga as Pilaf would make his wish, since there’s no one there at the Lookout other then Mr. Popo, if they snuck by him there they do it here. Resulting in earth being destroyed as no one would know about the Dark Star Balls (ok maybe they would because of the giant red dragon). Though if the characters make that far they may not make it past Legicc or General Rilldo let alone Baby, who may not even become Super Baby if Rilldo kills Vegeta. The other universes at this point probably wouldn’t change at all except for 6 (no super saiyans unless Kale has a REALLY bad day) and maybe 10 (Zamasu may become an apathetic god but he can’t really do anything “too evil” because of his job as Supreme Kai, he might try to make a cult al la Cardinal Muchi Muchi, but that’s about it).
If the threat of the Android/Cell saga never escalates beyond imperfect cell, there’s a good chance that the room of spirit and time is not even touched. Enough for ssj grade 2 tops. I can see Goku finding ssj2 during the timeskip though
@@welshlout3400 He is Goku after all. ;)
Hmmm, once you get the Buu arc yeah things unravel quickly, Hercule never 'saves' the world so he's basically a nobody, he likely would have been knocked out of the champion spot at some point, even if none of the Z-fighters actually ever got involved, this means Videl would be a non-entity. Gohan could still go to school in the big city, but Videl being a nobody would mean she would have no reason to go after him, even if he is acting weird. Again, because Hercule is a nobody, she's also a nobody.
Basically there's really no reason for anyone to join the World Martial Arts tournament, although Supreme Kai would still end up coming, this 'might' inspire Goku to check out the strange power level. I think with Supreme Kai on the planet there would be an eventuality that Goku and crew cross paths with him and we sort of get to the same situation with Goku, Vegeta, and Kai tracking down Babidi, but no Gohan. Afterall, Kami is likely still on the planet, so he would likely sense Supreme Kai's presence and warn Goku.
The fights in the spaceship would be noticeably a lot harder for them, and would expel a lot more energy. Chances are by the time Dabura steps in, he would only pull his punches against Goku and Vegeta so they can finish collecting the energy, there's no way they could beat him, so he would just toy with them, even letting them recover now and again, so assuming that, 100% chance Buu gets revived.
Buu is revived and kills Dabura, meaning Piccolo and Krillan are freed from the stone prison and maybe Piccolo still kills Babidi, but that woudn't amount to much. The two would be horrible outmatched and Goku would not have access to the Fusion Dance or even SS2, basically Buu stomps. Now if we take in Toriyama plot elements here, Vegeta would end up sacrificing himself to stop Buu because his pride refuses to allow him to quit, and Goku is the one who gets brought to the Kai planet instead of Gohan.
From that point, the story beats would be Goku breaks the Z-saber eventually, and would end up getting the Mystic boost from Old Kai, becoming Mystic Goku. Seeing as Gohan was about Cell-Goku level length in the original story, the power-up Goku gets should still put him at about the same level, meaning Goku would be as strong as Super Buu. However, because Hercule is a nobody, no one ever gets on Buu's good side so Buu stays evil the entire time, and thus never splits into two and becomes Super Buu. We also can assume Babadi is dead at this point, honestly it was only a matter of time before Buu killed him.
Fat Buu vs Mystic Goku, Goku wins and Buu is destroyed. No Super Buu, no Kid Buu in this timeline.
how is buu revived? and why would dabura stand a chance? goku never died but he still trains nonstop for years and push his limits.
qaaman, what if goku got teleported on earth while fighting frieza(namek arc) and do you think its a good idea to make a video of what if gohan and vegeta escaped from fat buu?
if goku left the fight to Earth, Freeza still would have shown up to Earth anyway and Goku would have to kill him then
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 true, and besides de major difference in that timeline goku cant use instant transmission
U don’t mention the fact that supreme Kai could have trained them with the z sword. Eventually discovering elder Kai which would get Gokus potential unlocked and he would unlock his ultimate form
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Piccolo who directly trained with Goku stated Vegeta may have surpassed even Goku, I highly doubt he's talking about a weaken sick Goku and not his true power.
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I dnt kno if Goku is able to reach super sayian 3 in the original time line during 7 years of peace not knowing a ssj3 exists he might discover ssj2 on his own this is over 7 years question is if it can beat dubara’s how strong his ssj2 would be with his base form it would be a very slim damn near impossible chance all this happens but the what if ain’t over you got calculations to do
Plus both goku and vegeta knew there were levels beyond super saiyan 2 before gohan did it. Goku was the one that demonstrated the super saiyan grade system to gohan and vegeta knew about the limits of speed with trunk's buff saiyan form, so they new that there were levels higher than super saiyan. Plus they have 7 years to get to super saiyan 2 so i dont really see them struggling against Deborah if they team up. 2 to 3 super saiyan 2s and piccolo (if he fuses with kami even better). Ans since gohan wouldnt be as strong buu probably wouldnt hatch. Since vegeta lives in the 7 years training with goku alive he doesnt lose motivation and desire to become evil again so he wont help hatch buu indirectly.
@@WoodenClockwerk Gohan isn’t fightin n if he does he’ll either get turned to stone, beaten up or die
@@Cratossama and if piccolo fuses with kami, Goku would grab dende from namek,
Then when Beerus comes, everything will turn back to normal, except, Gohan doesn’t have PU and Goku doesn’t have SSJ3
@@Cratossama and no Gotenks
I dont think babadi would have shown up without the ss2 levels of power from super perfect cell and gohan. I think thas the only reason they showed up
The point is Goku's decisions may not make sense at the moment but in the long run, they end up being the right decision.
how? when? for example his decision to stay dead is disastrous and ended up causing most of the Boo Arc, not to mention his decision to not go ssj3 on majin vegeta right away
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 his decision to stay dead may be odd but he did it for the greater good, there was peace up until he came back for a day and they have to deal with Buu that same day (ironically)
What are you talking about causing most of the Buu Saga? The only time he would have some cause to that saga is fighting Majin Vegeta, and in which how can you say that but also question why he couldn’t go SSJ3 against Majin Vegeta? Not only would he cause Buu’s revival Wayyy quicker But he also would cut his time in the real world that he wouldn’t be able to introduce and teach the Fusion Technique to Goten and Trunks. If you think he can just quickly whip out the transformation for that fight did you not see how long it took for him to transform the first time?
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Dabura would wreck them
Sometimes taking the easy way out isn’t the best way out.
For time it would be not but not for the future
depends. if they take the easy way out but also spam and abuse the methods of getting stronger such as immortality, kaioken, and mystic powerup, things could have gone better
Qaaman, future trunks wouldn't be stuck in a timeloop cause if Future trunks goes back to his timeline he might not go back in time a year before. We don't know why Original future trunks went back a year before piccolo just speculated why he went back
I got one... what if androids 13 , 14 and 15 were canon along side 16 ,17,18,19 ,20 and cell plot twist... raditz and nappa survived and fight on the Z-fighters ?
I dont think cell would go back to the same present timeline, but a different one with the androids since this is what the original cell that killed future trunks did
Couldnt the Cell who came back to the past use the Time Machine again to go further into the past in order to become Perfect? I mean if Trunks planned to visit the past to tell "the good news" Im sure he'd have enough fuel for a two way trip
So Bulma's advice being followed results in a infinite death loop where a infinite number of Future Trunkses are murdered by a infinite number of Cells who achieved perfection while no version of present Trunks is ever born
what if goku had teleported to king kai much earlier and became a steve urkle to king kais carl? I mean annoying him all the time in those three years maybe even enough to learn instant transmission? or found namek earlier to bring back raditz and nappa and recruit them to help fight the androids?
Goku killing Dr.Gero early would have disaterous effects on the future of the Majin Buu Arc, Dragonball Super and Dragonball Gt. Everyone would be considerably weaker without training for three years and going into the Hyperbolic Time Chamber.!
okay my take is i dont think that they wouldnt train i think they would train most definitely especially goku because he literally trains no matter what because he knows threats are always gonna come and it will never be peace and he would definitely train gohan and i think they would discover all the transformations they might not be as powerful as the cannon them but i still think they would be powerful enough to still stop threats