Actually Boeing sent out a memo to the pilots of the MAX after Lion Air crash explaining what may have caused it and what to do. Here is basically what is happening. Upon climb out the pilot will engage the autopilot with it in NAV mode. At this time flaps are still extended for climb out and the aircraft maintains the climb as indicated on the FMS to the assigned altitude. Once the flaps are fully retracted the MCAS engages. At this point the MCAS looks at several things but one being the Vertical Pitch Indicator to either adjust the trim up or down as needed for climb or possibly level flight if needed at this point. The Vertical Pitch Indicator is reading on some MAX 8's 10-20 degrees higher than what the aircraft actually is pitched at. This engages the MCAS to lower the Trim to level the aircraft as needed. Well at this point the plane over pitches nose down because the Vertical Pitch Indicator is saying the plane is pitched up, which it is not. The pilot then will use the Trim on the yoke to trim up also pull back on the yoke and both the MCAS and the pilot are fighting to keep the plane level. Once the pilot stops with the trim adjustment the MCAS goes to full trim down due to adjust for the 10-20 degree increase in the Vertical PItch Indicator it was getting, which is incorrect. At this point the aircraft is sadly most likely in downward angle and unable to recover from it. Boeing did say in a memo what could be done to help stop this during flight. The pilot's can manually override all autopilot functions including MCAS, either first or at that point put the Flaps extended one notch to disengage the MCAS.
Great comment. Two points. Number one, why the Pitch Reading is wrong by default, to begin with? This should be a software patch but why it is not detected in the test before, there must be other causes. Two, there is no button to disengage MCAS in this brand new MAX 8. It is absurd to extend flap just to disengage MCAS while climbing in altitude. What next? The pilot should lower landing gear just to keep the plane flying? In any case, the plane should be grounded worldwide, until these two problems are fixed. The FAA and Boeing is crooked. Saving face over human life. This is a national disgrace. You're not just looking at a plane crash, you're looking at American Democracy crash and burn.
Software that control censors was said might be the problem. What type of censors are on this plane? Let's say the plane takes off, and enroute six minutes inflight, A passenger texting, over riding the software on the plane. IPAD or smart phone data is the same as the plane it may interfered with the autopilot or the plane itself. And if a smart phone did this on both crashes , all they would have to do is see the calls\tests at that time and who had what type of phone, and see what type of software Boeing is using. And if computers or phones have the same data, And then you can pin point time, from flight chart of the crashes. jmo
The AOA (Angle Of Attack) sensor is the main input for MCAS which then controls stabilizer trim to correct pitching up or down due to thrust change (due to engine placement above CoG). While the yoke controls the elevator, the stabilizer is much larger than the elevators, and therefore is more effective than the elevator at extreme angles. So counteracting trim with the yoke is not possible. The runnaway stabilizer procedure should be applied in such cases, main thing is to switch both stab trim to off and trim manually.
milton fonseca the copilot is André Berger, director of flight operations. He is in fact captain, instructor and has a lot of flight experience. So he should have more than enough skills for this short flight ;)
Woaw!! What a quiet plane. I could not hear the typical engine rising sound after pressing TOGA. I like the simple and clean design. Funny small details like that very small gear-up-down lever and the same for the engine cutoff levers. The big displays are great. Top class pilot and co-pilot. Thamks for a great video. Love the 737 Max 8.
Judging by the reception on arrival I'd guess it was a new delivery to TUI and that's why it was an unusually short flight. The water canon gave it away somewhat
You started engine n°1 during taxi? I know that the start sequence for the max is longer than the NG, but is that normal to taxi before the start procedure ? (I fly the 73NG.. and just did my differences few days ago) tnx for your answer 😉
Why do you hate 737MAX and his MCAS? If you had been more considerate when you read MAC report about crash you'd understand that if pilots of those 737MAX aircrafts have done all by QRH crashes wouldnt've happened.OK, boeing had a mistake in QRH when they have marked "information about pitch trim calibrate before blackout electric motor of trim" like note, but no "warning". But pilots might understand it because it is very logical - uncalibrated pitch trim is very hard to set by hand. I think MAX is very nice plane with some little technical faults, but we mustn't fear it even after fixing problems. Fly safe!)
Thank heaven for the curvature of the earth, without it these ground grippers would never become airborne. Excellent flight management. Thanks for the upload
Compared to the A320 (from 1986) overhead panel, the 737 has about the same amount of switches by now (!). I don't know why anoyone buys this overly complicated aircraft equipped with a beta version software? The A320 is just so simple to handle!
The 737 its not complicated, it has different switches but if you know how to use it its so simple. Also the 737 MAX and Ng have a better performance than the Airbus family, also with more capability of passengers ,fuel and range.
Hmm. I’ve watched a lot of these videos, and I don’t recall ever seeing a single-engine taxi like this. They start the second engine _during_ taxi. Right? Is this a common procedure? Is it relative to the airport? to the 737 MAX 8? Or is it just my ignorance?
I don´t understand why they start engine 2 while taxiing, because every pilot dose it before pushing back and lining up on the taxiline. Strange maneuver!
I wondered which airline uses the Orange callsign these days. It was the atc callsign of former Air Holland. I suppose Orange is for the dutch Tui only? Great video btw!
At 10:25 there are two wheels spinning at the center console. Is that the flaps retracting and is that automatic? Thank You for the explanation of the various controls and sensors, the news tells us nothing.
This is what MCAS (the system supposedly responsible or partially responsible for the Lion Air and Eithiopian Airlines crashes) does - it trims the nose down cause this aircraft tends to wanna go nose up when using more thrust due to bigger engines and stuff. Someone more informed correct me if I am wrong.
Those are the trim wheels. Actuated by the autopilot or pilot electrically, or by the pilot manually. the MCAS overrides the trim to move the stabilizer ahead of or during a stall if in manual flight and clean config, so the pilot will have improved handling of pitch during the impending stall recovery. It’s essentially a stick pusher and is common in all sorts of aircraft. The accidents were a function of erroneous stall warning signals becoming active, which continuously drove the MCAS to drive the trim forward/down, and in both cases the pilots did not have the training or experience to understand they could disable the trim system (which kills the MCAS) by simply turning off the stabilizer trim cutout switches. Like any accident, it’s a complicated chain of events that almost always points to a combination of engineering, experience, training, and ultimately pilot error. I’m not saying the pilots made a mistake, but more training and experience might have prevented lion air, and Ethiopia would have CERTAINLY been prevented if they had been up to speed on current guidance. Make no mistake, the Max is an exceptional aircraft ONCE MCAS IS REPROGRAMMED, and that will happen before anyone flies in them again. It’s a relatively easy fix by Boeing. And there will be a lot of finger pointing for years to come as to how it got certified in its original form. People need to understand though that the process will heal the aircraft, and experienced, well trained pilots will ALWAYS be in a position as the safety advocate of the passengers. MCAS is just one example of what pilots deal with on all types of aircraft. There are thousands of things that can kill you on an airplane, and US pilots will stand by our safety record as exceptional in this regard. The combination of US airspace, aircraft engineers, pilots, training, regulatory, , and oversight is unmatched in history and we are striving every day to make it better. Mistakes like these recent ones are never acceptable in our industry.
My flather flies the MAX8 in Asia.. He agrees with you, the new design of LEAP-1B engines requires a longer startup sequence. Engines have to be in idle for a complete minute before applying thrust.
Enrique Delgado yeah it wastes a lot of time btw all CFM engines requires 1 minute idle after start,i used to be a 737NG simulator instructor i wonder how i can get a 737 MAX FCOM the differences seems little yet a lot
I want to know why beautiful cockpit everything done right why pilots using pads ? and why are the pilots using pads in the cockpit when in the back you got to turn your pad off phone off etc
give me back the l-1011 i hate the new class cockpit and that stab trim needs to be looked at on the new 737s but i like this air plane its sad that people had to die rip there souls
fly runway heading doesn't mean to hold your nose on the runway heading but your direction of flight on the extended centerline. And to do this you have to compensate the wind... That's not specific to the Netherlands but the same everywhere..
well if they flew runway heading their nose would be pointed in the runway direction, but they were told to fly runway TRACK so they had to correct for the wind to stay on the extended centerline
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10:25 heart skipped a beat...
Lmao 😂
Flaps are still at 1 so no need to panic.
I wouldn’t think that was mcas, the plane didn’t pitch down much
Well no, the autopilot was off, so nothing is here
😂
*at Amsterdam taxi is longer than flight*
@Kameron Roberto just not caring about you bots *Its going great!*
Actually Boeing sent out a memo to the pilots of the MAX after Lion Air crash explaining what may have caused it and what to do. Here is basically what is happening. Upon climb out the pilot will engage the autopilot with it in NAV mode. At this time flaps are still extended for climb out and the aircraft maintains the climb as indicated on the FMS to the assigned altitude. Once the flaps are fully retracted the MCAS engages. At this point the MCAS looks at several things but one being the Vertical Pitch Indicator to either adjust the trim up or down as needed for climb or possibly level flight if needed at this point. The Vertical Pitch Indicator is reading on some MAX 8's 10-20 degrees higher than what the aircraft actually is pitched at. This engages the MCAS to lower the Trim to level the aircraft as needed. Well at this point the plane over pitches nose down because the Vertical Pitch Indicator is saying the plane is pitched up, which it is not. The pilot then will use the Trim on the yoke to trim up also pull back on the yoke and both the MCAS and the pilot are fighting to keep the plane level. Once the pilot stops with the trim adjustment the MCAS goes to full trim down due to adjust for the 10-20 degree increase in the Vertical PItch Indicator it was getting, which is incorrect. At this point the aircraft is sadly most likely in downward angle and unable to recover from it. Boeing did say in a memo what could be done to help stop this during flight. The pilot's can manually override all autopilot functions including MCAS, either first or at that point put the Flaps extended one notch to disengage the MCAS.
Great comment. Two points.
Number one, why the Pitch Reading is wrong by default, to begin with? This should be a software patch but why it is not detected in the test before, there must be other causes.
Two, there is no button to disengage MCAS in this brand new MAX 8. It is absurd to extend flap just to disengage MCAS while climbing in altitude. What next? The pilot should lower landing gear just to keep the plane flying? In any case, the plane should be grounded worldwide, until these two problems are fixed. The FAA and Boeing is crooked. Saving face over human life. This is a national disgrace. You're not just looking at a plane crash, you're looking at American Democracy crash and burn.
maespip afaik mcas does not engage when autopilot is on
Software that control censors was said might be the problem. What type of censors are on this plane? Let's say the plane takes off, and enroute six minutes inflight, A passenger texting, over riding the software on the plane. IPAD or smart phone data is the same as the plane it may interfered with the autopilot or the plane itself. And if a smart phone did this on both crashes , all they would have to do is see the calls\tests at that time and who had what type of phone, and see what type of software Boeing is using. And if computers or phones have the same data, And then you can pin point time, from flight chart of the crashes. jmo
The AOA (Angle Of Attack) sensor is the main input for MCAS which then controls stabilizer trim to correct pitching up or down due to thrust change (due to engine placement above CoG).
While the yoke controls the elevator, the stabilizer is much larger than the elevators, and therefore is more effective than the elevator at extreme angles. So counteracting trim with the yoke is not possible.
The runnaway stabilizer procedure should be applied in such cases, main thing is to switch both stab trim to off and trim manually.
@@darkhorse0102 Capitalism, nothing personal...
the max is such a beautiful machine. i really hope they fly again soon.
that landing was buttery.
tatsächlich war es
Not in air lions’ case
so glad you're alive
flying in high skill level. Congratulations co pilot
milton fonseca the copilot is André Berger, director of flight operations. He is in fact captain, instructor and has a lot of flight experience. So he should have more than enough skills for this short flight ;)
What software version are they flying on? 1.00 or 5.12? Initial rollouts had suicidal mode embedded.
Item to put on the checklist: "Suicide mode - off"
What a beautiful aircraft and cockpit
Apollo Actual After a 5+ hour flight the flight deck isn’t so glamorous. :(
skyserf well I’ve never been at the front of any commercial jet so I guess my perspective is a little different 😅
Try riding on any previous generation 737 before you call this one beautiful
NOPE I prefer glass CKP of the NG the best ever!!!!
Classic had the best cockpit
I think Boeing made the 737 MAX cockpit a bit like the 787 one while maintaining 737 looks.
I still think it should have 5 displays
nah 4 looks way more clean
Freckles Aviation /56
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Tal Ionescu is
Fantastic video, B737MAX is the best for ever.
not now it isn't........
Excellent video gentlemen. My favourite aircraft with the awesome livery of TUI. Safe flying and greetings from London, UK.
Woaw!! What a quiet plane. I could not hear the typical engine rising sound after pressing TOGA. I like the simple and clean design. Funny small details like that very small gear-up-down lever and the same for the engine cutoff levers. The big displays are great. Top class pilot and co-pilot. Thamks for a great video. Love the 737 Max 8.
There is no Cockpit sound, you hear the Headset sound.
Perfect takeoff and landing. Highly skilled Captain and FO. Lovely aircraft. Beautiful external view. Why was the water salute ? Thank you.
little did they know what a death trap that plane was at the time
Boeing to najlepsza firma na świecie. Samoloty wyglądają przepięknie.
I’ve been travelling with tui for my whole 12 years off being alive! :)
Amdterdam to rotterdam?? 80km flight with a 737 max???
Ferry flight without passengers. Because this aircraft was needed at rotterdam
11:32 shout out to Kenya116!
watching from Kenya
Goddamn. Need to go buy some more bread, there is butter all over that runway.
No kidding! He rolled it right on!
@@smartrubberchicken you are acting like a 9/y old
Next time, on a longer flight, you can use the big cockpit screens to watch some netflix movies
Excellent de chez Excellent!!!!!!!!
SUPERBE VIDEO
ET PILOTES EXCEPTIONNEL!!!!!!!
wow love the cockpit view!
Outstanding video!!!👏
BETTER ONE OLD TRANSAVIA 737 IN THE AIR, THAN A NEW MAX ON THE GROUND
Looks good pilot
Another magnificent video. Huge thanks for sharing!
RIP people in Europa crash and Lionair crash my condolences go out to those people. 😰
When the Max has the MCAS Software fix, and is back up, please more videos.
not me on board
I hope Boeing Will make a better 737 Max because i liked the plane especialy the engines
Judging by the reception on arrival I'd guess it was a new delivery to TUI and that's why it was an unusually short flight. The water canon gave it away somewhat
Oh wow this is seriously rare!
And here ladies and gentleman's you can see A real pilots flying!
Thank you !!! I Love this ....
You started engine n°1 during taxi? I know that the start sequence for the max is longer than the NG, but is that normal to taxi before the start procedure ? (I fly the 73NG.. and just did my differences few days ago) tnx for your answer 😉
Are you a pilot?
You are asking that question as a NG pilot? What kind of differences training did you get?
Does the mcas now fixed during this flight footage?
Were those the new GE engines? Darn they are quiet! Even on take off I couldn't hear them in this video.
Why do you hate 737MAX and his MCAS? If you had been more considerate when you read MAC report about crash you'd understand that if pilots of those 737MAX aircrafts have done all by QRH crashes wouldnt've happened.OK, boeing had a mistake in QRH when they have marked "information about pitch trim calibrate before blackout electric motor of trim" like note, but no "warning". But pilots might understand it because it is very logical - uncalibrated pitch trim is very hard to set by hand. I think MAX is very nice plane with some little technical faults, but we mustn't fear it even after fixing problems. Fly safe!)
Is it just me or are the engines super quiet?
I think Its just because the mic record the intercom radio, not the cockpit ambiance.
I do believe they are quiet compared with previous 737 generations. The other person made key points
Thank heaven for the curvature of the earth, without it these ground grippers would never become airborne. Excellent flight management. Thanks for the upload
Bobby Paluga yes, those engines are the new generation.
The plane was mostly empty, I think they used only about 75% throttle as you can see on the engine display.
wait. AMSTERDAM to ROTTERDAM why is there a flight route for such a short distances? takes an hour driving
test
Training flight
You can't drive the plane on the highway
@@vince-367 hahahahahahahh bravo
Compared to the A320 (from 1986) overhead panel, the 737 has about the same amount of switches by now (!). I don't know why anoyone buys this overly complicated aircraft equipped with a beta version software? The A320 is just so simple to handle!
The 737 its not complicated, it has different switches but if you know how to use it its so simple. Also the 737 MAX and Ng have a better performance than the Airbus family, also with more capability of passengers ,fuel and range.
@@positiverate737 sure..and he is more deadly unfortunately..
@@positiverate737 ahhahahaahha your so funn airbus is ahead with range and effiency thats why klm did go for the 320 cheers
She looks like a joy to fly
excellent CRM by both pilots
Andi Muhammad check
Boeing’s mcas system: we’ll let you off with this one
awesome video!
Pilots of this plane, have you ever had to disable the MCAS because it wanted to put the nose down unnecessarily?
After the lion air crash,Boeing gave a memo about the mcas(what to do if it goes crazy)
Pilots in near future: Ok, Boeing, climb FL 300.
Otimo vídeo!
Obrigado! ❤🛫✈
Starting engine 1 while taxiing? Is that a new procedure?
Yes - it saves fuel
It is call SETO (SINGLE ENGINE TAXI OUT)
I keep staring at those STAB/TRIM cutout switches for some reason....
mcas?
Looks great! I love the 737 and EHRD :)
Excelent video, good job!!
In all these cockpit videos it's always the first officer landing. Why is that? Is it to give him more practice?
Not all, it just depends who's the pilot flying
was it a real so short flight or this video was cut?
It's a real flight
But only as a repositionflight without Passengers
Beautiful landing
Hmm. I’ve watched a lot of these videos, and I don’t recall ever seeing a single-engine taxi like this. They start the second engine _during_ taxi. Right? Is this a common procedure? Is it relative to the airport? to the 737 MAX 8? Or is it just my ignorance?
To save fuel...after all it takes only a little power to keep the aircraft rolling...why use 2 engines.
Love Dutch pilots, they speak Dutch and English
fyi english is the international aviation language so all pilots speak english
verneras44 not at shiphol, their they sometimes use Dutch words.
It seemed like an eternity between 80 kts and V1. Also, is it normal for a MAX to have a 170 kt V2? Seems high to me. Heavy?
Probably "Improve climb" option. Using longer rwy distance for more energy and better climb perf.
Perfect vid!
Just out of curiosity, the name of this cart just ahead is "FOLLOW ME". Suggestive, is not it?
I don´t understand why they start engine 2 while taxiing,
because every pilot dose it before pushing back and lining up on the taxiline. Strange maneuver!
It's done to save fuel
damnnn that 's a smoooooothhhh landing :X
Aha! in Africa too.
good video
I wondered which airline uses the Orange callsign these days. It was the atc callsign of former Air Holland. I suppose Orange is for the dutch Tui only? Great video btw!
Yes only TUI Netherlands uses Orange now
you got massive balls to be flying a 737 max...
Consummate professionals at work!
great video
Zeer mooie video!
At 10:25 there are two wheels spinning at the center console. Is that the flaps retracting and is that automatic? Thank You for the explanation of the various controls and sensors, the news tells us nothing.
That's the trim wheel, that controls the aircraft's pitch. See also here: www.quora.com/What-are-the-spinning-wheels-in-an-airliners-cockpit
This is what MCAS (the system supposedly responsible or partially responsible for the Lion Air and Eithiopian Airlines crashes) does - it trims the nose down cause this aircraft tends to wanna go nose up when using more thrust due to bigger engines and stuff. Someone more informed correct me if I am wrong.
Those are the trim wheels. Actuated by the autopilot or pilot electrically, or by the pilot manually. the MCAS overrides the trim to move the stabilizer ahead of or during a stall if in manual flight and clean config, so the pilot will have improved handling of pitch during the impending stall recovery. It’s essentially a stick pusher and is common in all sorts of aircraft. The accidents were a function of erroneous stall warning signals becoming active, which continuously drove the MCAS to drive the trim forward/down, and in both cases the pilots did not have the training or experience to understand they could disable the trim system (which kills the MCAS) by simply turning off the stabilizer trim cutout switches. Like any accident, it’s a complicated chain of events that almost always points to a combination of engineering, experience, training, and ultimately pilot error. I’m not saying the pilots made a mistake, but more training and experience might have prevented lion air, and Ethiopia would have CERTAINLY been prevented if they had been up to speed on current guidance. Make no mistake, the Max is an exceptional aircraft ONCE MCAS IS REPROGRAMMED, and that will happen before anyone flies in them again. It’s a relatively easy fix by Boeing. And there will be a lot of finger pointing for years to come as to how it got certified in its original form. People need to understand though that the process will heal the aircraft, and experienced, well trained pilots will ALWAYS be in a position as the safety advocate of the passengers. MCAS is just one example of what pilots deal with on all types of aircraft. There are thousands of things that can kill you on an airplane, and US pilots will stand by our safety record as exceptional in this regard. The combination of US airspace, aircraft engineers, pilots, training, regulatory, , and oversight is unmatched in history and we are striving every day to make it better. Mistakes like these recent ones are never acceptable in our industry.
Nederlands: Mooie video👍👍
Maar, ze hadden toch al een max 8??
English: Nice video👍👍 But, they had already an b737 max 8??
Damn long starting the engines waiting for the motoring message gone before putting fuel in,should also put an autostart on it
My flather flies the MAX8 in Asia.. He agrees with you, the new design of LEAP-1B engines requires a longer startup sequence. Engines have to be in idle for a complete minute before applying thrust.
Enrique Delgado yeah it wastes a lot of time btw all CFM engines requires 1 minute idle after start,i used to be a 737NG simulator instructor i wonder how i can get a 737 MAX FCOM the differences seems little yet a lot
Wow, it's unbelievably quiet in there. I've heard hair dryers louder than that.
Because you hear the headset sound, there is no mic in the Cockpit
Nice plane, but horrible what happened to the lion air one
And now Ethiopian
Look like a small cockpit or are these dutch boys very big & tall lol?
No crash in 737 MAX?
What a dickhead
Amsterdam to Rotterdam? There should be a direct taxiway for those small distances.
🤣
Take the High speed train instead, faster and cheaper and no security check bull shit...!
Personally I kind of prefer the older Fuel cut-off switches, it seems they've adapted the 777 design
I want to know why beautiful cockpit everything done right why pilots using pads ? and why are the pilots using pads in the cockpit when in the back you got to turn your pad off phone off etc
From Amesterdam to Rotterdam not need to use GPS, the same for the Airplane.
Please tell me it's a relocation flight?
i love flying that why i bought p3d and x plane are amazing
Hope to see this beauty fly again soon
Got the required training and upgrade on the MCAS System yet?
I miss hearing the flight computer saying Retard @ landing....
Liberty Patriot Boeings never said that.
I wonder, how long it takes to fly from Amsterdam to Rotterdam, I guess, 10 minutes tops.
When they say the engine start switches in continuous, does that mean the igniter is firing constantly?
Yes, continous ignition.
I would like to see the 737MAX with the Ryanair livery
@Ethan H yeah I know it I hope to see you nowwww!!!!
You shall see it soon enough!
I love it
One of 'em says something about 'stable' engines at one point...at least he didn't say 'stable genius' engines so we can give 'em points for that...
nice plane
give me back the l-1011 i hate the new class cockpit and that stab trim needs to be looked at on the new 737s but i like this air plane its sad that people had to die rip there souls
can't believe how quiet it is
Nice
Beautiful aircraft.
Great job
Is it standard practice to correct for wind drift when flying runway heading in the Netherlands?
fly runway heading doesn't mean to hold your nose on the runway heading but your direction of flight on the extended centerline. And to do this you have to compensate the wind... That's not specific to the Netherlands but the same everywhere..
well if they flew runway heading their nose would be pointed in the runway direction, but they were told to fly runway TRACK so they had to correct for the wind to stay on the extended centerline
That’s like a 2 second flight I’ve seen you on topographic images
Actually TUI Fly does not have Boeing 737 Max 8 in their fleet. The shown aircraft belongs to TUI Airways London.
Not correct, this was the OO-MAX from TUI fly Belgium.
Wow it's quiet up there!
"mag ik n beetje manueel vliegen?"" "ja is goed" "BEEP BEEP BEEEP" "oh" :D
infrawiz It‘s funny: I’m from Germany and understand every word...
niederländisch ist leicht zu verstehen, andersrum aber auch. Nur die Aussprache und vor allem Schrift is echt gnadenlos :D
Wahr, Niederländisch und Deutsch sind sehr ähnlich sprachen
Dat is de autopilot disconnect alarm. En de "C chord tone" betekend 1000 feet voor het bereiken van de geselecteerde hoogte.
Op welk moment in de video gebeurt dat? Haha
Where the MCAS at doe?
nice video , nice plane i like Boeing !:) and Professional pilots !:) have a pleasure with your 737 max 8, a lot of good flights !:)
Aren't the 2 airports less than 30 miles apart?!