To avoid detection by thermal view you have, to throw away the hot rifle and cover completely in thick mud, then fight with bow and arrow.... It has all been demonstrated in an educational movie from the 80s 😅
With the same thermal device i found that on sunny days even in early spring, where sunshine hits it will heat up things so it shines like a body. So if you have a thermal yourself, find a spot where sunlight is hitting, maybe next to some hot rocks, and you can blend into that. Worst place to hide is in a shaded and cool place.
I was in Ukraine and there's a was a cemetery from my postion about 400meters away. I forgot to tell the new guy all the head stones look like people through the thermals at night. Swapped watch shifts and next thing I know he's telling me a platoon snuck up on us and he was bout to hit the cemetery with our PKM 😂
We experimented with this back in the mid nineties when I served on a battle tank with thermal imaging. I have also since been a sniper for around 13 years where I got to be at the "receiving" end making us focus a lot on camouflage techniques. When mobile the best tips I can give is to hide behind ridges, down in small valleys and just put a big amount of rock and or vegetation between you as a hot source and the observer making you 100% invisible. When stationary the same applies but usually you are supposed to observe the enemy and therefor must come to a position where you can see something. The trick is to have a cold front, at the same temperatures as the environment, towards the enemy observing with thermal imaging. The shield in form of tarp or whatever must not be heated up from one side. This will otherwise be visible. One option can be to have to shield layers with fresh air with correct temperature circulating between the two layers. Recommend anyone wanting to stay hidden from someone with thermal capabilities to train with such tools to really understand how it works and how to prevent being observed.
100% correct. In the type of scenario he's showing, you could be a sniper or FO, but generally if you're out by yourself, this is an E&E situation and there's no way they should be that close to you. Initial movement should put miles between you and the trackers, and to then continue evading requires use of the densest foliage possible and terrain as you said. Thermal has also changed the game, whereas it used to be best to sleep and do maintenance things during the day, and then move at night... now it's flipped. You want to move during the day and find the best possible cover at night to try to stay hidden. Especially against a professional force which will likely have airborne thermal looking down, so hard overhead cover is a must.
@@GTRNightsvery good to know, thank you, I'm thinking an umbrella with a heat blanket wrapped on the top would be ideal, with also maybe individual strands of heat blanket hanging from the edges of the umbrella. I wonder if a (very)leafy suit made out of heat blanket wrap would work.
@@mark7362 It all depends on the temperature surface in the 2D plane you watch through the sensor. If the rock surface has the same temperature as the fabric used by the human it's harder to spot then if the temperature on the two surfaces are different. The bigger difference the easier to spot. You can easily spot temp differences on a naked person. All extremities is normally colder then the human core but the temp diff is not that big. Back in the days serving on Leopard 1 we used to switch between thermal and daysight when spotting and thus get the best from two worlds. What you think you see with one of the two is usually confirmed or disproved with the other. Daytime sensors require you to use all camouflage principals in the book like color, contrast, light, shadow, shine, silhouette, movement, etc. For thermal sensors the mentioned camouflage principals is less important but now you must blend in based on surface temperature. Try to avoid movement in areas where thermal sensors observe the area. When stationary you would have a layer in front of you observation post to hide from thermal capacity and you must add good camouflage in front of that to avoid getting spotted by daytime sensors like binoculars, spotting scope, etc. The best is to be behind natural cover and just have a tiny hole to see through. The insertion should happen behind cover 100% when "close" to enemy position. The enemy observation capacity and their sensors defines what close means.
You can combine two old Soviet combat capes by stitching in a thermal space blanket between them. The noise is minimal. You can make a thicker insulated sleeve for your weapon too. The stuff is slightly bulky, and you won't be ventillating, but if you do it right, you will be completely undetectable when stationary and pretty much on the move as well.
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Try to use an umbrella held in front of you the outcome might surprise you. The idea is to have a layer in front of you away from your body/heat source. An umbrella can be in camo and can have a small clear/flexible view through area acting as a window for observation.
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In Ukraine I came up with the idea of keeping my helmet off at night to help mask thermal signature. Thought process, I would notice people in my sister lpop at night having on hot ass helmets when poking heads up for peak with nvgs or thermal(Helmets after being worn for about 5-20 minutes become very hot from trapped heat permeating through the shell). We would peak just to eye level every 3-10 minutes for a scan and then back down. So I would only put on my helmet for my very breif scan of my surroundings and then go back down and take it off to keep it at the natural outdoor temperature. Also good scrim can add texture to the helmet for both nods and thermals and that can help imo especially with a still cold helmet
@@xxxm981 That's just our side's propaganda. That said, he might be referring to the Ukraine civil war that predated Russia's invasion. Both separatists and government factions had thermal imaging during the civil war. While there was skirmishing early on, it slowly morphed into trench warfare when the separatists got armed.
Your best with laminate polycarbonate materials infront of your position.. It actually does two things.. 1. blinds thermal imaging and is bullet proof... they will see nothing with thermal but will with infrared so that is why you still require the camouflage.. It is now really necessary for soldiers to have personal ballistic thermal protection shields..
It’s very easy to avoid thermal cameras and scopes the problem is heat stroke dangers and ease of movement but in a stationary position it is very easy.
Like some of the comments say, I think there was an educational film from like the ‘80s with governor Schwarzenegger that covered the topic in great detail. I remember a scene with beefy forearms
If you are on a static position use a thermal blanket + chicken wire + a tarp or a poncho + camo netting, all layered together to ratain any shape that you want AWAY from your body
I'm doing the field craft phase of a brecon sniper carder next week I plan on tessting this lots... I've layered a few sheets of space blanket onto chicken wire and covered that in ipk sheeting and some light gihile
A technique for hiding on the forest floor that would likely reduce your thermal signature, too, is to burrow under the forest litter and use it as a cover on top of you. If you use a waterproof, army bivy bag, the type that pulls up over your waist you can tie it off around you, then make a hole in the forest litter with a knife or your digging tool, push under the litter and then create another hole at the end, essentially you end up under the forest litter with it on top of your body, the bivy bag making sure that the bottom half of your body stays dry, the bag should prevent some heat escaping too. If the litter above you is thick enough it should do a good job of hiding your thermal signature too, the exit hole you create can be pulled down to hide your head and pushed up and held in position by sticks to allow you to poke your weapon muzzle out of the end, this is only useful for a static OP though, useful if you want to sleep too, if done in long grass it's very difficult to spot you, unless someone actually steps on you.
The following is in regards to an airsoft video I watched a while back: A team used a clear sheet of glass between the heat source (their airsoft sniper) and the thermal device for effective results in a static position. Many towns have a business that will sell these glass panels intended for use on desks. Imagine a glass topped sofa table or dining room table with camo netting draped over it. This would effectively shield someone laying underneath from airborne thermal devices. Of course a crude improvised frame with a thermal blanket covered with leaves and other natural foliage would also work.
To look while concealed you need a periscope, a camera/screen combination, a fiberoptic solution or something similar. It's very obvious though that several things make a difference, which means to achieve a camouflage suit that works at least to SOME degree against thermal sensors is just a matter of engineering, design and effort. A reflective "blanket" that is also camouflaged normally. With grips that allows holding it, and preferably also mounting it to the ground, without touching it in such a way that you transfer any real amount of heat to it. A double or even multilayer camo suit, with narrow stripes of insulating material keeping them separated by a layer of air. A better/more thorough "screen" of plant material, or better yet, make something that mimics the same effect as part of the camo suit. And you're probably going to need a facemask of some sort to have any real chance of concealing the face. However, there, breathing obviously becomes an instant issue, so, might need something closer to the plant material effect, ie, covering up without actually closing up around your head in any way. An adapted reflective blanket, easily doable. The layered camo suit, considerably more difficult to achieve, but probably still doable, though might be pricey and probably a bit inconvenient to wear. Artificial screening material that can added to the suit, at distance, this might work entirely alone, but at the same time, also the most difficult thing to design. Also, there's a distinct risk here that all of the above might end up making you a very blatant object for any sort of radarbased sensor. Still, clearly, it is possible to achieve functional camo against IR.
So we can cut isolation bags into pieces, make it a blanket or suit, put leafs and stuff on it? What do u think. Or we need a tiny straw or floating device so we jump in water or dig ourselves into the ground and be able to breathe
What happens if there is a gap between a blanket and the body? Imagine a large cape worn over a very wide-brimmed hat, so it has minimal contact with the body, could it work?
This was super interesting for me. I don't quite know why, but I am sometimes wondering if I could successfully hide in ways you have tried. Now I can see that I am only kidding myself, because if you can not do it with your skill and equipment, what chance would I have? Zero I would say!!!!
It's interesting how you chose black plastic since I'd always heard that it was basically transparent in thermal imaging, whereas glass looks completely opaque, so it's like the two are switched when you go to thermal imaging from visible light imaging. So I think that means that glass could actually be pretty useful for camouflage. Visually it doesn't obscure anything as long as you make sure there's no glare. I think as long as there's no direct contact it shouldn't heat up all that much either. I just got a thermal camera so I'll have to experiment with this.
I have used a tarp with a thermal blanket built into it, then a about a meter of standoff distance so you dont print your heat to the backside of the tarp. Being in a whole with a small berm in front of the position will also help. Remember, never walk in front of your position.
You need to have a kind of reflective material, in patches and layers, to allow a bit of airflow, but the thermal signature can be well masked, then, a Gilley suit above/on top of the reflective material (cut up "space blanket")
So, the only real way to hide from thermals is to put something between you and the camera, like a camo netting held by tree branches or lie very low in tall grass. That stuff is like cheating
@@thebra9738 camo netting lets you see through well enough while hiding yourself from thermals. It's no good for quick movement but it's good enough for long observation periods. Lieing low helps as well
@@pepethefrog50 All Infrared is THERMAL! It depends whether the image sensor is SENSITIVE to specific wavelengths from 400 nanometres to 3000 nanometres! aka is it sensitive to Short, Medium and Long Infrared radiation. A Tri-band full-spectrum IR band sensor is best! and they ARE available to be bought! V
The thermal signature of the mylar could only be practically reduced by maintaining distance from it. A hasty application of this idea might be to somehow utilize some small branches/limbs to provide structural support for the mylar while maintaining distance from body contact. With luck, air currents will dissipate the heat that is escaping around the perimeter of the mylar, so it doesn't significantly heat up _other_ material.
Hmm maybe you can try fishnet under layer? It's used as a base layer to prevent cooling down as the mid layer won't have contact with your body, or at least much less than with a dense fabric base layer, works even better than a merino wool base layer sometimes. It keeps you both (a little) cooler in summer and (a lot) warmer in winter due to the air pockets in the mesh preventing heat transfer by touching layers. On it's own a fishnet base layer won't help. But I could imagine mesh base layer, solid thin mid layer, then thick gauge mesh layer over that, and then wear the ghillie over that. There'd be multiple layers that don't touch your body nor eachother.
I’ve been working on this very issue. In short, using technology and principles already known & available within the HVAC/r industry to lower the external thermal signature of the wearer. I’ve hit two issues, the main one…funding. It is possible, from my own testing to use the environment one is operating in to create the illusion of a negative heat signature for the entire body though. Hey…Apple & Microsoft originated in a home garage!
It's a nice attempt but to really beat IR you have to use thermal batting laminated with polyester batting. It is the only thing I've ever seen truly work.
Impressive. Basically, I think if we have a specialised suit that is refrigerated, with cameras so you can still see without presenting two fiery eyeballs, you could pull it off. Something I'll keep in mind the next time I am on the run. LOL
It's not that difficult. You just have to stay behind enough leaves. The thermal camera can not see through leaves or a glass window for example. You can also take 2 thermal blankets (emergency blankets) and glue them to a piece of camo material and then hide under it. the thermal blanket will shield the heat for a while.
You could also use ACTIVE CAMOUFLAGE TILES which are ceramic disks built into your clothing which contain LEDs that create a FALSE image to thermal imagers hiding your outline as much as possible. Turns you into a tree, a rock, a bicycle or a deer as far as the Thermal Imaging viewer is concerned! Ah what the heck, there's also Negative Refractive Index Metamaterial Clothing which can ABSORB tri-band infrared (Long, medium and short IR waveforms) and WRAP them completely around your body from every direction and out onto the other opposite side COMPLETELY HIDING your heat signature! --- This ALSO WORKS for RGB optical wavelengths, SONAR, LIDAR and even RF/MM-wavelengths hiding from OTHER sensor types! Hmmm.... did I actually disclose that publicly? OH WELL !!! Meh! V
I am writing a roleplaying game of ghost in the shell (they use thermoptic camouflage), and your comment was super helpful to understand the potential technology they use there. I was also developing the idea of using lidar and radar sensors and I could not have imagined a way to hide from those. Thanks!
@@Neithan007 A negative refractive index metamaterial can be an internally reflective nanotube of the diameter of the optical, IR or RADAR waveform you are trying to hide from and those nanotubes INGEST the waveforms and reflect internally like a fibre-optic cable out to the OPPOSITE SIDE of the ingest point thus making you practically invisible. It can also be an ABSORBENT material similar to fur or fibre-glass insulation which TRAPS any waveforms from get BACK OUT and creating a detectable signal return. Metamaterial can be ANY material that has the desired property to ABSORB and/or TRAP and/or REDIRECT the incoming waveforms of concern be they IR, SONAR, RADAR, RGB OPTICAL or RF/MM-waves! The ACTIVE tiles are more for thermal signature (IR) where you are EMULATING something else like the outline of an innocuous-looking animal or car or house while you are actually a armed and ready tank, soldier or weapons placement. ACTIVE tiles are DECEPTION-based cammoflage while Metamaterials ACTUALLY HIDE your signatures! Each method has it's time and place! V
@@StarGateSG7 Thank you so much! This is very helpful starting point to further investigate on high-end military technology. I am a scientist and work with nanomaterials regularly, but my research lines are far from these and had no idea about these cool potential applications. Thanks again!
@@a64738yes. We know how to avoid it standing still. But. The next stage of global development for avoidance of thermal imaging. Is avoidance of thermal imaging whilst in motion. Now that is a game changer. Basically complete invisibility to all EM wavelengths. Now that’s sick. “Why is the wind talking?”
Thermal blankets block the sensors from being able to see you. Also, thermal sensors do not tell you how hot an image is, it shows how well something transmits heat, which is called emessivity.
It’s definitely fairly easy to hide from thermal sensors. You just have to know how it’s not very hard at all. I know how to do it and a few other people do too. There was some people somewhere actually selling suits that would block it but I think they stopped for some reason don’t know why but I know their general location they were selling pants for like $400 and I’m not sure what the tops were And they gave demonstrations which worked very well. The only thing is when you have to pull out your rifle to shoot but if you keep it hidden, it’s no problem unless you go for a long time and work up a sweat you have to have a way to vent in a certain way, you only need three products and then you can cover that with a Gilly suit. I won’t tell you what they are because everyone would make one.
i have 4 in stock they are maid of military tent materials that specifically block thermal optics its secondary cooling is water tank cooled by negative pressure from 2 sources a co2 canister and 2 pumps that dump cooled water on top for extra cooling during heavy movements the sides are open on the infiltrator version for quick access to snacks or whatever lol it also comes with physical penetration testing tools and a false thermal signature that doubles as heating. I recommend the brick camo version for urban environments statistical probability of meshing with this surface
Your experiment is right. During deployments, we never wear ghillie suits as they were heavy, expensive and very unconfortable - but we achieved very good results with your method shown here, using stuff from nature and water... Its a good video, but i dont know if its ok to show/teach this to civillians...
@@mrgetoutside1378 No, im the type that prevents psychopats ( civillians or not) murdering people in church, stores, library. Usually civillians arent interrsted in this but only those who plan on doing something wrong.
Yes, this commenter is who you need to hide from most, and an emergency thermal foil blanket will hide your heat signature. They come in camo versions.
Do you think a fiberglass welding blanket would be more effective? Seems to me that fiberglass would be the best material for shielding, but you could also spray paint and add foliage, and maybe have a space blanket underneath.
You can create a zone of stealth using mylar film but not on your body. One option is trying to fool the operator by changing your thermal signature. making a wall of mylar may fool the operator. you also place a mylar blanket as a hanging tarp to hide from drones. Personal camo isn't going to help. You need a barrier. You may be able to hide behind a sheet of plywood covered with foil on one side and debris on one side.
You don't need mylar or foil or whatever. Hiding behind any kind of wall, or just thick foliage, completely blocks all NV and thermal. People really don't understand how the EM spectrum and LOS work ??
@@annaravenhand5536 I dont know if you've used a thermal camera before. but you can see through walls and through foliage..How thick is thick...Try hiding from someone with thermal. It's not going to work out like you think. especially if they are an experienced operator. I ve used one quite a bit and I believe confusing the operator is your best bet. Mylar does work if you're not too close to it but it might look colder than the surrounding area. I would notice that, so someone else might too. I encourage you to do some fox and hound with thermal
@@rickhunt3183 no, you cannot see through walls with thermal, that's absurd. Light does not pass through walls. Thermal is nothing but infrared light. I don't understand how people can continue to be so misinformed, even when working w/the tech.
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When the white lines are painted on the road they throw down glass bead powder so it reflects better and gives grip. Dirt cheap when dusted over spray on glue.
If you can't, every single sniper would have been dead right now, but they're not as a simple thermal coat is enough to cover themself from thermal drone.
If there is a lot of rocks 🪨 in the area heating up in the sun 🌞 it be a nightmare to try and detect you . I do heaps of pest control with thermal. And as soon as you hit a area with rocks. I changed to night vision. And yes I run two $8k thermal units. One from pulsar and one from Infiray
Golf umbrella with a 3x3m camouflage net draped over it for you to crouch under is the ONLY thing that works, but it only works for 3-5 minutes due to it heating up from your breath.
Snakebite tactical made a thermal evasion suit with ripstop nylon, radiant barrier insulation, polyester, and sniper netting there is a video on it's effectiveness
Yup, summer seems like the best time for ............ when it's 40 degrees celsius or higher. Of course one could just light up the entire area if need be, hide in a multiple of heat signatures, make lots and lots of heat signatures. When there is a will, there is a way.
When nights are colder, it will be more "effective". But thermal can indeed also be used in bright sunlight. But the "normal" night vision is for nights.
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The best way to hide from thermals, is to avoid detection from the little helmet mounted ones first. Distance and thick cover can prevent them from seeing you, thus the more powerful units never get trained on your position.
A wool sweater holds in 80% of the heat. You would be surprised at how well wool works with thermal. Every hunt coyote in a sheep pasture with thermal? Usually only sheep heads and legs glow. Unless young lambs.
Not in the desert at night. Most deserts get very cold at night, particularly in winter when it can be over 30 degrees in the day and minus 0 over night. Cold enough that I’ve had soapy dish water freeze solid.
I READ A BOOK ON INFRA RED SENSORS !! YOU CAN BLOCK YOUR BODY HEAT COMPLETLY SIMPLY BY HOLDING A THERMAL BLANKET IN FRONT OF YOU !! HELPS TO HAVE SOME CLOTHES PINS SO YOUR HANDS DONT HEATUP AND SHOW THRU !! SO IN THE BUSH IF YOU TYE ON SOME GRASS AND BRANCHES TO THE BLANKET AND SOME CAMO DONT MOVE AROUND MUCH U WONT SHOW UP AS A HEAT SOURCE !!
I'm watching this from Australia, have you thought about hiding in a forest and then setting it alight? That would be something I would consider if I was running
considering Thermals (well maybe new gen thermals can?) can't see through glass, would it possible to mask your signature by dispursing pieces of matte glass on one's suit?
@@pcigrock5874 depends on glass thickness, though if it's too thin it can easily break ofcourse. but i think if you test with this well enough, you can probably come up with a really good glass "mail" suit able to heavily obscure thermal signiture perhaps.
No thermal can see through glass. However glass has the same issue where it will heat up. Glass works because it stays cool when attached to a building. There is enough air space in a building plus air conditioning that body heat does not heat it up as easily as a tent.
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To avoid detection by thermal view you have, to throw away the hot rifle and cover completely in thick mud, then fight with bow and arrow.... It has all been demonstrated in an educational movie from the 80s 😅
Same thoughts😉
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With the same thermal device i found that on sunny days even in early spring, where sunshine hits it will heat up things so it shines like a body. So if you have a thermal yourself, find a spot where sunlight is hitting, maybe next to some hot rocks, and you can blend into that. Worst place to hide is in a shaded and cool place.
I was in Ukraine and there's a was a cemetery from my postion about 400meters away. I forgot to tell the new guy all the head stones look like people through the thermals at night. Swapped watch shifts and next thing I know he's telling me a platoon snuck up on us and he was bout to hit the cemetery with our PKM 😂
@@Irregular503re you hallucinating?
@@fizzleshizzle8314 it's possible 😉
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We experimented with this back in the mid nineties when I served on a battle tank with thermal imaging. I have also since been a sniper for around 13 years where I got to be at the "receiving" end making us focus a lot on camouflage techniques. When mobile the best tips I can give is to hide behind ridges, down in small valleys and just put a big amount of rock and or vegetation between you as a hot source and the observer making you 100% invisible. When stationary the same applies but usually you are supposed to observe the enemy and therefor must come to a position where you can see something. The trick is to have a cold front, at the same temperatures as the environment, towards the enemy observing with thermal imaging. The shield in form of tarp or whatever must not be heated up from one side. This will otherwise be visible. One option can be to have to shield layers with fresh air with correct temperature circulating between the two layers. Recommend anyone wanting to stay hidden from someone with thermal capabilities to train with such tools to really understand how it works and how to prevent being observed.
100% correct. In the type of scenario he's showing, you could be a sniper or FO, but generally if you're out by yourself, this is an E&E situation and there's no way they should be that close to you. Initial movement should put miles between you and the trackers, and to then continue evading requires use of the densest foliage possible and terrain as you said. Thermal has also changed the game, whereas it used to be best to sleep and do maintenance things during the day, and then move at night... now it's flipped. You want to move during the day and find the best possible cover at night to try to stay hidden. Especially against a professional force which will likely have airborne thermal looking down, so hard overhead cover is a must.
@@GTRNightsvery good to know, thank you, I'm thinking an umbrella with a heat blanket wrapped on the top would be ideal, with also maybe individual strands of heat blanket hanging from the edges of the umbrella. I wonder if a (very)leafy suit made out of heat blanket wrap would work.
I've always wondered if you can spot humans with IR if they're hiding beside a rock or in a rock crevice (depending on the time of day)
@@mark7362 It all depends on the temperature surface in the 2D plane you watch through the sensor. If the rock surface has the same temperature as the fabric used by the human it's harder to spot then if the temperature on the two surfaces are different. The bigger difference the easier to spot. You can easily spot temp differences on a naked person. All extremities is normally colder then the human core but the temp diff is not that big. Back in the days serving on Leopard 1 we used to switch between thermal and daysight when spotting and thus get the best from two worlds. What you think you see with one of the two is usually confirmed or disproved with the other. Daytime sensors require you to use all camouflage principals in the book like color, contrast, light, shadow, shine, silhouette, movement, etc. For thermal sensors the mentioned camouflage principals is less important but now you must blend in based on surface temperature. Try to avoid movement in areas where thermal sensors observe the area. When stationary you would have a layer in front of you observation post to hide from thermal capacity and you must add good camouflage in front of that to avoid getting spotted by daytime sensors like binoculars, spotting scope, etc. The best is to be behind natural cover and just have a tiny hole to see through. The insertion should happen behind cover 100% when "close" to enemy position. The enemy observation capacity and their sensors defines what close means.
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an umbrella can be camouflaged with vegetation and can completely conceal your body heat when opened, as long as you don't touch the fabric
@KirbiasLawlessAKAMigrantKiller look into it. I know it sounds ridiculous
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Mylar fabric will also help, as long as you can stay still. When you move you give yourself away. I mean, just as with the brolly.
That works for anything as long as you don't touch it you can even hide behind glass
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You can combine two old Soviet combat capes by stitching in a thermal space blanket between them. The noise is minimal. You can make a thicker insulated sleeve for your weapon too. The stuff is slightly bulky, and you won't be ventillating, but if you do it right, you will be completely undetectable when stationary and pretty much on the move as well.
What kind of cape is this?
Thermal....blankets....do.....not.....work.... STOP SUGGESTING MYLAR THERMAL BLANKETS.
@@Funkteon how not? we used them in the army and they do work until they heat up.
Been watching your videos for years! You are MacGyver's mentor! When I watch one of you vids, I know its gonna be super cool. Your diy camouflage dye work on clothing, your diy gear making from scratch or your ghillie capes. You have inspired me to make gear and camo and a ghillie myself. Thank you.
That was the most valuable gadget I could get in ArmA III. It made detection of enemies x10000 easier.
Thermal is a must.
Try to use an umbrella held in front of you the outcome might surprise you. The idea is to have a layer in front of you away from your body/heat source. An umbrella can be in camo and can have a small clear/flexible view through area acting as a window for observation.
Sounds very interesting
Yeah if maneuvering with your rifle and equipment isn't hard enough
Need to counter IR thermal drones in the air as well
@@anakinskymonke3670 meant for stationary position! You move both thermal and NV pick you up easily.
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In Ukraine I came up with the idea of keeping my helmet off at night to help mask thermal signature. Thought process, I would notice people in my sister lpop at night having on hot ass helmets when poking heads up for peak with nvgs or thermal(Helmets after being worn for about 5-20 minutes become very hot from trapped heat permeating through the shell). We would peak just to eye level every 3-10 minutes for a scan and then back down. So I would only put on my helmet for my very breif scan of my surroundings and then go back down and take it off to keep it at the natural outdoor temperature.
Also good scrim can add texture to the helmet for both nods and thermals and that can help imo especially with a still cold helmet
I thought the russians can´t afford thermals or nods
I'm looking how to escape from ukr gulag. Ukrainian Gestapo now have thermal drones, so i hard to try hard.
@@xxxm981 That's just our side's propaganda. That said, he might be referring to the Ukraine civil war that predated Russia's invasion. Both separatists and government factions had thermal imaging during the civil war. While there was skirmishing early on, it slowly morphed into trench warfare when the separatists got armed.
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Your best with laminate polycarbonate materials infront of your position.. It actually does two things.. 1. blinds thermal imaging and is bullet proof... they will see nothing with thermal but will with infrared so that is why you still require the camouflage..
It is now really necessary for soldiers to have personal ballistic thermal protection shields..
There will always be ways and every Patriot in America needs to learn these skills. Thanks for this!
It’s very easy to avoid thermal cameras and scopes the problem is heat stroke dangers and ease of movement but in a stationary position it is very easy.
Like some of the comments say, I think there was an educational film from like the ‘80s with governor Schwarzenegger that covered the topic in great detail. I remember a scene with beefy forearms
If you are on a static position use a thermal blanket + chicken wire + a tarp or a poncho + camo netting, all layered together to ratain any shape that you want AWAY from your body
Yea like a cage
@@kittywampusdrums4963 yeah basically
I'm doing the field craft phase of a brecon sniper carder next week
I plan on tessting this lots...
I've layered a few sheets of space blanket onto chicken wire and covered that in ipk sheeting and some light gihile
@@ifv2089 sounds great, I’m interested in the results
That means youre gonna sweat a lot, youre gonna lose water a lot, so u have to carry at least 5liters with u for the operation :D
A technique for hiding on the forest floor that would likely reduce your thermal signature, too, is to burrow under the forest litter and use it as a cover on top of you.
If you use a waterproof, army bivy bag, the type that pulls up over your waist you can tie it off around you, then make a hole in the forest litter with a knife or your digging tool, push under the litter and then create another hole at the end, essentially you end up under the forest litter with it on top of your body, the bivy bag making sure that the bottom half of your body stays dry, the bag should prevent some heat escaping too. If the litter above you is thick enough it should do a good job of hiding your thermal signature too, the exit hole you create can be pulled down to hide your head and pushed up and held in position by sticks to allow you to poke your weapon muzzle out of the end, this is only useful for a static OP though, useful if you want to sleep too, if done in long grass it's very difficult to spot you, unless someone actually steps on you.
Using a detached, mylar barrier, covered with sparse vegetation and a periscope would probably be a good try.
Easily . Simplest is to create a deceptive source tactfully in area of operations.
The following is in regards to an airsoft video I watched a while back:
A team used a clear sheet of glass between the heat source (their airsoft sniper) and the thermal device for effective results in a static position. Many towns have a business that will sell these glass panels intended for use on desks. Imagine a glass topped sofa table or dining room table with camo netting draped over it. This would effectively shield someone laying underneath from airborne thermal devices. Of course a crude improvised frame with a thermal blanket covered with leaves and other natural foliage would also work.
The thing would be to replicate the results of glass but with cloth...........
To look while concealed you need a periscope, a camera/screen combination, a fiberoptic solution or something similar.
It's very obvious though that several things make a difference, which means to achieve a camouflage suit that works at least to SOME degree against thermal sensors is just a matter of engineering, design and effort.
A reflective "blanket" that is also camouflaged normally. With grips that allows holding it, and preferably also mounting it to the ground, without touching it in such a way that you transfer any real amount of heat to it.
A double or even multilayer camo suit, with narrow stripes of insulating material keeping them separated by a layer of air.
A better/more thorough "screen" of plant material, or better yet, make something that mimics the same effect as part of the camo suit.
And you're probably going to need a facemask of some sort to have any real chance of concealing the face. However, there, breathing obviously becomes an instant issue, so, might need something closer to the plant material effect, ie, covering up without actually closing up around your head in any way.
An adapted reflective blanket, easily doable. The layered camo suit, considerably more difficult to achieve, but probably still doable, though might be pricey and probably a bit inconvenient to wear.
Artificial screening material that can added to the suit, at distance, this might work entirely alone, but at the same time, also the most difficult thing to design.
Also, there's a distinct risk here that all of the above might end up making you a very blatant object for any sort of radarbased sensor.
Still, clearly, it is possible to achieve functional camo against IR.
Good demonstration!!!
So we can cut isolation bags into pieces, make it a blanket or suit, put leafs and stuff on it? What do u think. Or we need a tiny straw or floating device so we jump in water or dig ourselves into the ground and be able to breathe
What happens if there is a gap between a blanket and the body? Imagine a large cape worn over a very wide-brimmed hat, so it has minimal contact with the body, could it work?
This was super interesting for me. I don't quite know why, but I am sometimes wondering if I could successfully hide in ways you have tried. Now I can see that I am only kidding myself, because if you can not do it with your skill and equipment, what chance would I have? Zero I would say!!!!
i liked my gen1 night vision for years! but them i seen the FLIR🙏🏼 for fire fighters!! yes you cannot hide
It's interesting how you chose black plastic since I'd always heard that it was basically transparent in thermal imaging, whereas glass looks completely opaque, so it's like the two are switched when you go to thermal imaging from visible light imaging.
So I think that means that glass could actually be pretty useful for camouflage. Visually it doesn't obscure anything as long as you make sure there's no glare. I think as long as there's no direct contact it shouldn't heat up all that much either. I just got a thermal camera so I'll have to experiment with this.
Thermal space blanket under camo poncho is how to hide from thermal.
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Eh kinda
I have used a tarp with a thermal blanket built into it, then a about a meter of standoff distance so you dont print your heat to the backside of the tarp. Being in a whole with a small berm in front of the position will also help. Remember, never walk in front of your position.
I’m seeing this as more and more feasible than a mobile outfit.
You need to have a kind of reflective material, in patches and layers, to allow a bit of airflow, but the thermal signature can be well masked, then, a Gilley suit above/on top of the reflective material (cut up "space blanket")
So, the only real way to hide from thermals is to put something between you and the camera, like a camo netting held by tree branches or lie very low in tall grass. That stuff is like cheating
Yeah but what are you achieving by doing that lol
@@thebra9738 camo netting lets you see through well enough while hiding yourself from thermals. It's no good for quick movement but it's good enough for long observation periods. Lieing low helps as well
so those tiny bird hunting huts just became a valid strategy for static observation lol
I thought glass works?
I agree, still not even sure how it works exactly, but its pretty much cheating
Acrilyc blocks heat signatures. There is a product called ir shield, it's acrylic in a thin film.
Infared imaging is different than thermal imaging.
@@pepethefrog50 All Infrared is THERMAL! It depends whether the image sensor is SENSITIVE to specific wavelengths from 400 nanometres to 3000 nanometres! aka is it sensitive to Short, Medium and Long Infrared radiation. A Tri-band full-spectrum IR band sensor is best! and they ARE available to be bought!
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The thermal signature of the mylar could only be practically reduced by maintaining distance from it. A hasty application of this idea might be to somehow utilize some small branches/limbs to provide structural support for the mylar while maintaining distance from body contact. With luck, air currents will dissipate the heat that is escaping around the perimeter of the mylar, so it doesn't significantly heat up _other_ material.
use penoflex or foamflex insulation mat. it flexible and may reflect heat.
Hmm maybe you can try fishnet under layer?
It's used as a base layer to prevent cooling down as the mid layer won't have contact with your body, or at least much less than with a dense fabric base layer, works even better than a merino wool base layer sometimes.
It keeps you both (a little) cooler in summer and (a lot) warmer in winter due to the air pockets in the mesh preventing heat transfer by touching layers.
On it's own a fishnet base layer won't help.
But I could imagine mesh base layer, solid thin mid layer, then thick gauge mesh layer over that, and then wear the ghillie over that.
There'd be multiple layers that don't touch your body nor eachother.
If this f'ing works I wanna be hired by defense 😂
Mud & Mylar do work from tests I've either seen or been part of!
I’ve been working on this very issue. In short, using technology and principles already known & available within the HVAC/r industry to lower the external thermal signature of the wearer. I’ve hit two issues, the main one…funding. It is possible, from my own testing to use the environment one is operating in to create the illusion of a negative heat signature for the entire body though. Hey…Apple & Microsoft originated in a home garage!
Maybe look up military company or investments, you have a product make your terms and help out soldiers
@@jgjk-vo9fk Well, a concept…but Id love to do this! Thanks for the encouragement and advice and be well!
It's a nice attempt but to really beat IR you have to use thermal batting laminated with polyester batting. It is the only thing I've ever seen truly work.
What cammies did you use for your ghillie? is that green moss camo? Looks like gorka. I'm curious, tho cuz it looks bad ass
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Impressive. Basically, I think if we have a specialised suit that is refrigerated, with cameras so you can still see without presenting two fiery eyeballs, you could pull it off. Something I'll keep in mind the next time I am on the run. LOL
It's not that difficult. You just have to stay behind enough leaves. The thermal camera can not see through leaves or a glass window for example. You can also take 2 thermal blankets (emergency blankets) and glue them to a piece of camo material and then hide under it. the thermal blanket will shield the heat for a while.
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@@Freyja_M4106 Are you laughing because you are dumb? I have 2 good thermal cameras and tried it.
So basically its game over if someone has a DJI drone with thermal 😅
No...dji has to many big government restrictions and remote id 😅
Not necessarily
@@knarftrakiul3881 local pd has thermal drones they should
@@knarftrakiul3881where do you get this info?
Dang dude. Outstanding presentation of the topic.
Thx! More to come ;)
You could also use ACTIVE CAMOUFLAGE TILES which are ceramic disks built into your clothing which contain LEDs that create a FALSE image to thermal imagers hiding your outline as much as possible. Turns you into a tree, a rock, a bicycle or a deer as far as the Thermal Imaging viewer is concerned!
Ah what the heck, there's also Negative Refractive Index Metamaterial Clothing which can ABSORB tri-band infrared (Long, medium and short IR waveforms) and WRAP them completely around your body from every direction and out onto the other opposite side COMPLETELY HIDING your heat signature! --- This ALSO WORKS for RGB optical wavelengths, SONAR, LIDAR and even RF/MM-wavelengths hiding from OTHER sensor types!
Hmmm.... did I actually disclose that publicly?
OH WELL !!! Meh!
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I am writing a roleplaying game of ghost in the shell (they use thermoptic camouflage), and your comment was super helpful to understand the potential technology they use there. I was also developing the idea of using lidar and radar sensors and I could not have imagined a way to hide from those. Thanks!
@@Neithan007 A negative refractive index metamaterial can be an internally reflective nanotube of the diameter of the optical, IR or RADAR waveform you are trying to hide from and those nanotubes INGEST the waveforms and reflect internally like a fibre-optic cable out to the OPPOSITE SIDE of the ingest point thus making you practically invisible.
It can also be an ABSORBENT material similar to fur or fibre-glass insulation which TRAPS any waveforms from get BACK OUT and creating a detectable signal return.
Metamaterial can be ANY material that has the desired property to ABSORB and/or TRAP and/or REDIRECT the incoming waveforms of concern be they IR, SONAR, RADAR, RGB OPTICAL or RF/MM-waves!
The ACTIVE tiles are more for thermal signature (IR) where you are EMULATING something else like the outline of an innocuous-looking animal or car or house while you are actually a armed and ready tank, soldier or weapons placement.
ACTIVE tiles are DECEPTION-based cammoflage while Metamaterials ACTUALLY HIDE your signatures!
Each method has it's time and place!
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@@StarGateSG7 Thank you so much! This is very helpful starting point to further investigate on high-end military technology. I am a scientist and work with nanomaterials regularly, but my research lines are far from these and had no idea about these cool potential applications. Thanks again!
There us much more easy ways to hide your IR signature, a simple umbrella for example will block it totally...
@@a64738yes.
We know how to avoid it standing still.
But.
The next stage of global development for avoidance of thermal imaging.
Is avoidance of thermal imaging whilst in motion.
Now that is a game changer. Basically complete invisibility to all EM wavelengths.
Now that’s sick.
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Yes. When my unit first got FLIRs I did just fine. Cost the Major a case of beer!
Thermal blankets block the sensors from being able to see you.
Also, thermal sensors do not tell you how hot an image is, it shows how well something transmits heat, which is called emessivity.
It’s definitely fairly easy to hide from thermal sensors. You just have to know how it’s not very hard at all. I know how to do it and a few other people do too. There was some people somewhere actually selling suits that would block it but I think they stopped for some reason don’t know why but I know their general location they were selling pants for like $400 and I’m not sure what the tops were And they gave demonstrations which worked very well. The only thing is when you have to pull out your rifle to shoot but if you keep it hidden, it’s no problem unless you go for a long time and work up a sweat you have to have a way to vent in a certain way, you only need three products and then you can cover that with a Gilly suit. I won’t tell you what they are because everyone would make one.
i have 4 in stock they are maid of military tent materials that specifically block thermal optics its secondary cooling is water tank cooled by negative pressure from 2 sources a co2 canister and 2 pumps that dump cooled water on top for extra cooling during heavy movements the sides are open on the infiltrator version for quick access to snacks or whatever lol it also comes with physical penetration testing tools and a false thermal signature that doubles as heating. I recommend the brick camo version for urban environments statistical probability of meshing with this surface
I'm selling each unit for 1700 the material is no longer available cause people like me lol
Der Trick mit dem Wasser ist so einfach wie genial. Aber man müsste schon total nass sein, damit es (vorallem länger) etwas bringt.
Your experiment is right. During deployments, we never wear ghillie suits as they were heavy, expensive and very unconfortable - but we achieved very good results with your method shown here, using stuff from nature and water...
Its a good video, but i dont know if its ok to show/teach this to civillians...
If you don’t think he should teach this to civilians you’re probably the type of soldier who would murder civilians.
@@mrgetoutside1378 No, im the type that prevents psychopats ( civillians or not) murdering people in church, stores, library.
Usually civillians arent interrsted in this but only those who plan on doing something wrong.
Yes, this commenter is who you need to hide from most, and an emergency thermal foil blanket will hide your heat signature. They come in camo versions.
@@mrgetoutside1378 or the type that needs to find terrorists/ murderers hiding
Line your BDU 's and Ghillie suit with mylar blanket material that should effectively conceal your thermal heat signature.
Thermal blankets work really well you know the shiny silver ones that come in first aid kits
Do you think a fiberglass welding blanket would be more effective? Seems to me that fiberglass would be the best material for shielding, but you could also spray paint and add foliage, and maybe have a space blanket underneath.
The guy giggling 15 meters beside you under a thermal blanket covered in ghillie😂😂😂
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You can create a zone of stealth using mylar film but not on your body. One option is trying to fool the operator by changing your thermal signature. making a wall of mylar may fool the operator. you also place a mylar blanket as a hanging tarp to hide from drones. Personal camo isn't going to help. You need a barrier. You may be able to hide behind a sheet of plywood covered with foil on one side and debris on one side.
You don't need mylar or foil or whatever. Hiding behind any kind of wall, or just thick foliage, completely blocks all NV and thermal. People really don't understand how the EM spectrum and LOS work ??
@@annaravenhand5536 I dont know if you've used a thermal camera before. but you can see through walls and through foliage..How thick is thick...Try hiding from someone with thermal. It's not going to work out like you think. especially if they are an experienced operator. I ve used one quite a bit and I believe confusing the operator is your best bet. Mylar does work if you're not too close to it but it might look colder than the surrounding area. I would notice that, so someone else might too. I encourage you to do some fox and hound with thermal
@@rickhunt3183 no, you cannot see through walls with thermal, that's absurd. Light does not pass through walls.
Thermal is nothing but infrared light. I don't understand how people can continue to be so misinformed, even when working w/the tech.
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Thermal so op. Thankfully at least pretty rare loot.
The alternative to hiding would probably be some sort of thermal flare or devices with a long lasting heat source.
So a ghillie suit hand made blend with the blanket and nature is the best possible scenario
Try glass based or ceramic based camoflage. It reflects Infrared
When the white lines are painted on the road they throw down glass bead powder so it reflects better and gives grip. Dirt cheap when dusted over spray on glue.
One can run, but one can not hide from gen 3 thermal imaging devices.
If you can't, every single sniper would have been dead right now, but they're not as a simple thermal coat is enough to cover themself from thermal drone.
Ask Arnold if he remember how he did it in the predator movie😂. Good job bro. Thanks for sharing your video ❤
You can use glass to hide...like bulletproof glass with a handle similar to what SWAT uses when storm buildings...
high drag
That's why I never go bush without a cold cocktail on board. Works every time.
how about using an insulation materiel as a blanket and on top of that add camuflage
If there is a lot of rocks 🪨 in the area heating up in the sun 🌞 it be a nightmare to try and detect you . I do heaps of pest control with thermal. And as soon as you hit a area with rocks. I changed to night vision. And yes I run two $8k thermal units. One from pulsar and one from Infiray
Golf umbrella with a 3x3m camouflage net draped over it for you to crouch under is the ONLY thing that works, but it only works for 3-5 minutes due to it heating up from your breath.
Snakebite tactical made a thermal evasion suit with ripstop nylon, radiant barrier insulation, polyester, and sniper netting there is a video on it's effectiveness
His suit works much better than a regular ghillie suit, but it is very outdated. Most of the newer thermal imagers will spot it pretty easily.
Depends on ambient temperature how difficult this is. But it can be done.
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Ever tried using the aluminium foil that's installed in the walls of houses as a poncho? Glue camouflage onto the aluminium foil on the outside?
Yes..yes you can
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Yup, summer seems like the best time for ............ when it's 40 degrees celsius or higher. Of course one could just light up the entire area if need be, hide in a multiple of heat signatures, make lots and lots of heat signatures. When there is a will, there is a way.
use the survival tent with the interior mylar coating and combinations of, wear this
In a city environment can it see heat through glass? Can it work in a tropical jungle, well?
Try a mylar reflective thermal blanket. I saw later you tried it
I never knew u van use thermal during the day..I thought that were meant for night
When nights are colder, it will be more "effective". But thermal can indeed also be used in bright sunlight. But the "normal" night vision is for nights.
Great info to learn from.👍🏻
Green vegetation is not a heat insulator but an excellent infrared reflector. If you consider this you can cover better.
Interesting. Thank you 👍🏻
all you need is an army tarp that has the mylar on one side and it will hide your heat signature.
Barracuda Multispectral camouflage system, camouflage poncho. How quickly things develope...
Rub mud all over, corridor did a video and it worked surprisingly well.
So need survival blanket made with camouflage one side and heat retaining one inner side stay warm but not seen.
Have simple camouflage jacket, take it off
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9:50 That's dedication: 50°C outside and crawl about in a ghillie suit to make a YT video!
The best way to hide from thermals, is to avoid detection from the little helmet mounted ones first. Distance and thick cover can prevent them from seeing you, thus the more powerful units never get trained on your position.
Pepakura suit with Thermal paint. Gillie suit on top.😎
Excellent video! Thank you.
Thanks for the video
A wool sweater holds in 80% of the heat. You would be surprised at how well wool works with thermal. Every hunt coyote in a sheep pasture with thermal? Usually only sheep heads and legs glow. Unless young lambs.
Not in the desert at night. Most deserts get very cold at night, particularly in winter when it can be over 30 degrees in the day and minus 0 over night. Cold enough that I’ve had soapy dish water freeze solid.
Just seen another channel where everyone was blown away when they copied Arnold's mud trick... totally works. They tested it with multiple sensors.
Fugitive: I'm safe now...I'm in the woods and they can't see me.
Helicopter: Turns on the Thermal camera.
With the right cover you’d be alright
I READ A BOOK ON INFRA RED SENSORS !! YOU CAN BLOCK YOUR BODY HEAT COMPLETLY SIMPLY BY HOLDING A THERMAL BLANKET IN FRONT OF YOU !! HELPS TO HAVE SOME CLOTHES PINS SO YOUR HANDS DONT HEATUP AND SHOW THRU !! SO IN THE BUSH IF YOU TYE ON SOME GRASS AND BRANCHES TO THE BLANKET AND SOME CAMO DONT MOVE AROUND MUCH U WONT SHOW UP AS A HEAT SOURCE !!
Sure you can! You simply need the right layers: You, insulation, reflective layer, thermal IR camera.
I'm watching this from Australia, have you thought about hiding in a forest and then setting it alight? That would be something I would consider if I was running
considering Thermals (well maybe new gen thermals can?) can't see through glass, would it possible to mask your signature by dispursing pieces of matte glass on one's suit?
I thought to attach small pieces of glass on poncho but it will be a heavy
@@pcigrock5874 depends on glass thickness, though if it's too thin it can easily break ofcourse.
but i think if you test with this well enough, you can probably come up with a really good glass "mail" suit able to heavily obscure thermal signiture perhaps.
No thermal can see through glass. However glass has the same issue where it will heat up. Glass works because it stays cool when attached to a building. There is enough air space in a building plus air conditioning that body heat does not heat it up as easily as a tent.
Please try something like Snow shoes.
Woven frame, with a like Super heroes Cape, with branches with a like brush/branches attached to the outside of the cape.
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Using like saplings tied together in a teardrop shape, to act like a heatsink.
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BETWEEN your back and the solid RUBBER fabric material like a cape.
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I'm native BORN 1956 FLORIDA BORN.
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USED to be a lineman and a FLORIDA SWAMP Hunter.
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Would walk into the swamp with hip waders and my gaffs on.
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In my game pouch of my hunting vest, was a pocket hammock
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I would find a nice tree, and climb it like it was a telephone pole and take the pocket hammock out and used it as a seat sling.
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One day a friend of mine went in for the very first time.
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We stopped in a tight trail with small cypress trees growing.
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Soggy ankle deep, and I turned around and told my friend not to move.
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THERE was a cottonmouth coiled up right behind him, and head up ready to strike.
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But didn't, it WAS like it didn't know what was in front of it.
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I took the barrel of my shotgun right down to its HEAD and it never took its attention away from my friends leg.
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I took it out
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Our thoughts 💭🤔 of the matter was the rubber hip waders kept his body heat contained to the point the COTTONMOUTH couldn't pick up the threat.
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With that said, maybe try using some thin rubber mats from Harbor freight????
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MAYBE EVEN LIKE BODY ARMOR,.
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Take an old hammock to use as a vest 🦺 as the heatsink between you and the rubber front and back plate
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Cool. Great stuff. Very interesting.😊
Does foil blankets they use to keep warm reflects the heat will block the thermal signature