what the military really need to do is start concentrating on figuring out different and new techniques to keep politicians from getting us in war in the first place
@Richardzmaxdragway - Some wars are *necessary* - defensive wars. Ukraine is a good example. If Russia isn't kicked out of there then their next target is Poland. Putler is stupid enough to try that. Guys like him will never listen to reason. They only understand bullets and missiles.
Yeah, my first thought was... wouldn't an emergency thermal blanket basically do the same thing? You could just sew it between two layers of protective fabric and ta da!
They neglected to mention that the effect is temporary. When the material starts to warm up because of whatever is under it(you, gun, vehicle, ect...) then you start glowing like a fed boi again...
@@jimketchum3169 yes, it's a basic principle of thermodynamics in physics. Energy(heat in this case) cannot be created or destroyed(randomly appear or disappear) it can only change form. The heat under the "cloak" eventually warms up the cloak. The solution would be to change the heat into another form of invisible energy before it heats up or leaks out of the cloak. So far, no one has been able to do that in these applications(harder than it sounds). Most concepts focus on heat dispersion to tackle this issue. If it's less concentrated, it's not as easy to pick up on thermals, though that only helps so much. It's more effective than a poncho, but not a ton. It's like normal camo, just because you have it on, doesn't make you instantly and permanently invisible while you're wearing it, but it helps some.
@@joearledge1Been reading Max Velocity's book Patriot Dawn and he says pretty much the same. The eggheads have cheated gravity, didn't know if maybe this was one of those eureka moments. Oh well. Wouldn't be able to afford it anyway.
Install cry rooms on the front lines for those rare times the enemy doesn't read the sign. 😂 instead of white with a red cross like medical has, white with decreasing sized red circle with a solid red circle in the center to signify the cry rooms😂
I was a Marine platoon commander in Vietnam 1969. We had rain ponchos that were rubber. In my experience they were useless except for providing a tent-like shelter but there were very few times where those were tactically reasonable. The ponchos were too cumbersome to where in combat because they restricted movement in firefights and they were useless in the monsoon season when it rained every day for weeks at a time. Additionally, ponchos were too hot to wear in the heat. in Vietnam we didn't wear skivvies or socks nor did we often wear anything under our flak jacket than nothing or an undershirt. Great Idea and one that needs to develop to the point where normal comfortable wear in extreme heat and bitter cold will help the user to operate effectively. Controlled tests in the US are important, but I've never operated in my 3 years of combat in moderate US test environments. My combat environments have always been fairly extreme. I attended the Army's Artic Warfare Course at Ft Greely, AK. So how does this cloaking device work when covering a person with a temp of 98 degrees with a cloaking cover when the temp is -70 degrees? I like the concept, but I'd like to see what it looks like in combat conditions rather than test conditions. What does it look like in the IR spectrum when a tank has been moving and firing in combat all day? Does it prevent the heat signature inside the cover from being observed? Fire 200 rounds or more of MG fire and see if the MG team is still cloaked. People / developers who have never been in combat in extreme environments will never understand the problems for both men/women and sensors. Ah then there is the night vision devices that don't care about IR signatures. All modern detection platforms have visual, IR, and night vision devices. What then?
just for concealing movement thermal optics is every wear now once your sighted lose the gear. Drone videos from Ukraine show Russian solders utilizing it. Modern problems modern solutions. I have a similar product but it has exhaust fans for heat build up and tent poles that collapse to keep it off your body. Owning the night was null with low cost optics these materials offer a counter watching someone think they are sneaking around wile being observed with thermal optics puts things in perspective, US army tents are currently maid with this material to mitigate observation from thermal imagery in orbit.
Guess the only way to know for sure is from the guys in the field, feels like move counter move - wonder if ultimately soldiers will be wearing fully enclosed environmental systems? Funny it seems the more hi tech US etc get the lower tech the opposition, whilst i fully support providing the troops with the best of everything they need how often is it just unnecessary and just a question of adopting new tactics rather than new Technology?
Every attempt to concealment from thermal will have heat transferred to it if it gets in contact with heat source after some time. The only way to rely on this is if you wear this over you and it seems to not get any heat on for over 2 minutes. If somehow, it does get warm, then it's no better than a blanket.
This. No wearable system can work for long. Thermal is a problem because it's heat. You aren't making that heat vanish, you're just delaying it's transfer. And by delaying it, it also means what's "inside" the system is getting HOT because that heat isn't escaping. So it some cases that might be nice (soldier on a cold night might like that warm blanket keeping his heat it) but in others it's awful (soldier in the desert is going to hate wearing one of these). But in all cases, that heat is still going to get out somehow, someway, eventually. At best you can put them up as directional barriers to prevent visibility in one direction, so heat is still escaping "behind" it, but as a wearable, it's going to be very short term/limited application.
@@TheIansanity it also seems like if you wearing it you would effectively be suppressed as you would not be able to move and would have limited to no situational awareness....
I took one of those silver survival blankets and cut holes in the shape of bunny rabbits. I figure my body heat will show through those holes and the enemy will think "Peter Cottontail" is having a family reunion.
Stay tuned ppl, I will be rolling out my TactiFridge 9000 soon. Basically it's a solar powered fridge with Batteries for overnight use. It has wheels and you hop in it when you detect a UAV overhead and BAM, no more heat signature. It's radar signature is minimal as I superglued some angles on it. Its camouflaged because I paint them green, or tan depending on the environment you're operating in and I staple native wildlife to the top. My groundhog edition is doing really well . Oh, and it also stores your beers, to quench your thirst after pulling the thing over rough terrain, or to give to your enemy as a form of peace treaty as you are knackered from pulling the fridge and incapable of fight. TactiFridge, for all your Tactical needs.
This will never work. The MOMENT the human body heat passes over to the materieal covering it, the material is no longer the same termperature as the surrounding environment and it can be detected from MILES away with professional-grade FLIR cameras - The best this thing can hope for is reduced daytime detection during the warmer months of the year... It'll never work at night, and NEVER during the winter.
@@thebigmon aproaching a time when civilians may need them.... they wont be patroling with their buddies... they probly just be diggin holes for you and your buddies to fall in
@@thebigmon I guess you take 2 camo blankets and stick space blanket in the sandwich - that's what you get. I believe I saw one that also had small holes for ventilation to dissipate heat
The radar camo part is by far the most interesting part of this system IMO. I couldn't care less about my thermal signature, but if this thing defeats radar, my motorbike is going to have a funky new camo coating XD
All you need to do is reduce highly reflective surfaces. Primary culprits are license plates, headlights, turn signals, and chrome grills. They sell license plate covers, and anti glare(stealth paint). Depending on the state or country it might not be legal.
I had one of these. I used a piece of cammo netting that I ziptied to my poncho, back in the day. That cammo netting was used for putting on your ruck, and your helmet, as well as your ghillie in strips.
Yeah but it’s not comfortable walking around with it and also the noise alone could give away your position if an enemy patrol is nearby not to mention how goofy it looks like and it glares like hell…
@TheZeke64 That's also what I was curious about because I've yet to find anything that manages to conceal a heat signature for any real length of time. I was hoping somehow they had found a way to mitigate that, but it doesn't appear so.
@@crippledcalibers7684you need a system that continuously vents heat in a way that is minimally observable. So basically late generation stealth aircraft.
From experience I can say that it works for a few minutes. The suit will reach the same temperature as your body and can then be seen on the thermal images. Useful for short-term infiltrations, but then a heat shield is sometimes a better solution.
I’m curious how long it lasts. You can basically achieve something very similar by simply wearing a Mylar poncho, however, shorty your body temperature will heat the poncho itself, bringing back your visual footprint. So the real question is, how long does the infrared mitigation last? It can block my body heat all it wants to, until you figure out hoe to prevent the material itself from hearing up your product is useless.
@@oldirtyshinobi420 The term "better color" is fairly subjective. In darkness, most dark colors turn black. SAAB systems did a test many years ago. On a distance over 300 meters (approx. 311 yards) the color means little to nothing.
Step one: Poncho that can thermally cloak Step two: electronic wrist mounted tech with fully interactive panel that can make you invisible for up to and including stalking special forces in the jungle.
There is a video on my channel of guys using a homemade cloak and tricking thermals on a Apache gunship.. I also have still shots in my files of another situation where soldiers made homemade cloaks and they successfully blocks hand held thermals.
If you’re covered by the poncho it won’t matter if someone is above you or at your same level. It works either way. It’s barrier blocking your IR energy.
I used to stuff my poncho in the little butt pack thingy on my FLC gear, I would stuff it in there however I could, how much abuse can this take, because if it’s anything under a 💩 ton then it won’t work for the common troop
Covering a thermal signature is part of the problem, but it's movement that draws the eye the most. That draws the human eye and motion detection software.
It’s definitely a thing. I had an actual wool poncho and it was freaky how many times people would miss me when I was sitting right there. Always had the poncho on.
It's not the pattern that makes this unique, it's the thermal insulating properties. I don't think troops wanna wear something like this for more than an hour.
Pattern can mean type. Type of uniform. Is that what you meant? It would be hot to wear. But possible in some scenarios. A poncho can be worn under plate carrier etc.
Jesus people, this ain't rocket science. I said pattern, not material. Just print it on rolls of standard 50/50 nyco ripstop and make ACU's out of it. Gawd 🙄
How does it hold up after a month of jungle combat patrols? Does it work it it's torn? does it obscure my vision? Can I pivot and fire as needed? Looks good on paper.
The drone sees you well before you hear it. As far as the drones go, i think we have to be more proactive than reactive. We need multiple ways to take them out. If you have electronic warfare systems to block or intercept the signal, they just use fiber optic drones. As if war wasn't bad enough before.
If you hear a UAV flying, that poncho will be more than useless and a waste of money. I can guarantee you that the UAV would have seen you before you even got a chance to hear it - that is if you even do hear it. Maybe this is a good idea for reconnaissance but anything else is a waste of money, materials and equipment. The best way to beat UAV is not to go to war to begin with. Also when he showed the two one covered and the other one not covered, the body shape is clearly visible defeating the whole premise.
Outstanding. The thermal imaging drones are the next stage in Warfare and they're also being used to drop improvised explosive devices. I'm a little disappointed in the camouflage system I think it needs a little bit of work. Congratulations. There was plans shared with the civilian population 10 to 15 years ago. I'm sure it's the same material. One thing I wish you would have introduced in your segment was how long does the individual stay cloaked or if the device begins to heat up the body temperature.
@fortknightpredilluvian2008 the poncho weighs 3.5 pounds. It's Def not the dye lol. I bet that thing is thicker than it looks and it wears hotter than it looks.
Im glad it works, but give some programmer a year or two to notice some anomaly or pixelation or somethign and write an ai or coding to detect it. Then it will only work against human user vs human user.
Wow it was evaluated by the army, such accolades and awards. I once looked at a tree damaged by an ice storm and thought that tree is all messed up and missing a bunch of branches so you could say I evaluated that tree, what an honor for that tree.
These ponchos just like cam nets etc only conceal what is underneath you can still see the poncho or cam net if you know what you are looking at or for.
If you took a regular poncho and put arrow gel layer on the pancho and then sewed a layer of camouflage radar absorbent material over the top of that you would have the same thing. Heat builds up though. It will become hot as crap underneath that thing very fast unless you're able to vent it somehow.
The thing that you see in this video that he has over him is over 20 years old. The real life infrared suit developed by the department of defense is the suit from the movie invisible Man that came out in 2020. The real life suit of that movie is invisible to all forms of thermal imaging. It looks exactly like it did in the movie.
You can make one like this yourself but better. The only downside is that it will get very warm and u won't want to be moving around or in a hot place after a while. Also, if your in a dense forest your probably already hidden. In the fields and open steppe of Ukraine or in the desert, thermal is much more useful.
You think they sell to civilians? Lmao. Try RELV. They aren't a military contractor, they don't have a vested interest in the government having severe advantages over you.
This feels like one of those things where it will cost 2 million per unit and make some MIC execs very happy and we'll never know how well it actually works bc america fights 3rd world dirt farmers via proxies
I’ve seen a Ukraine Sniper showcase these and it they incorporated tent poles and a dome tent turtle shell setup it could be like shooting through loopholes. The Infrared scopes showed poncho designs would get spotted quickly which is sad.
This is waycool, however I would like to see a timelapse at 15 minute, 30, 1 hr in a hot environment. Now if it is a short term item for UAF evasion, then I can see how the long exposure would not be necessary. But in a hide position, long term and very long term exposure is needed. Finally can it mitigate the heat if placed under a camo net for a howitzer or vehicle. It won't fully dissipate, but any mitigation might be helpful.
I was watching a TH-cam:-spec-ops type podcast. They iterated that after a certain mil-thickness, mud would defeat IR optics to a fair-thee-well. This from being there vs. theoretical supposition. Quite fascinating really.
what the military really need to do is start concentrating on figuring out different and new techniques to keep politicians from getting us in war in the first place
Then how would the military industrial complex feed itself?
As long as money is involved, it will never happen.
*Boeing wants to know your location*
@Richardzmaxdragway - Some wars are *necessary* - defensive wars.
Ukraine is a good example.
If Russia isn't kicked out of there then their next target is Poland.
Putler is stupid enough to try that.
Guys like him will never listen to reason. They only understand bullets and missiles.
Peace through Strength, Pax Americana!
So its a blanket with a space blanket sewn in. And you are going to charge us $14,000 for the 'barracuda system.' Throw this guy in jail.
Yeah, my first thought was... wouldn't an emergency thermal blanket basically do the same thing? You could just sew it between two layers of protective fabric and ta da!
YUPP! With a $13,990 profit per unit!
Thanks to taxpayers for the profit.
That's exactly what I came to say. You can make one yourself for $150 and that's if you're using a nice grade wool blanket.
How to make?
They neglected to mention that the effect is temporary. When the material starts to warm up because of whatever is under it(you, gun, vehicle, ect...) then you start glowing like a fed boi again...
Thank you, I was just going to comment on that aspect.
I’d like to see the thermal insulation specs on these
Fact? So it's essentially equal to a rubberized camo poncho?🤔
@@jimketchum3169 yes, it's a basic principle of thermodynamics in physics. Energy(heat in this case) cannot be created or destroyed(randomly appear or disappear) it can only change form. The heat under the "cloak" eventually warms up the cloak. The solution would be to change the heat into another form of invisible energy before it heats up or leaks out of the cloak. So far, no one has been able to do that in these applications(harder than it sounds). Most concepts focus on heat dispersion to tackle this issue. If it's less concentrated, it's not as easy to pick up on thermals, though that only helps so much. It's more effective than a poncho, but not a ton. It's like normal camo, just because you have it on, doesn't make you instantly and permanently invisible while you're wearing it, but it helps some.
@@joearledge1Been reading Max Velocity's book Patriot Dawn and he says pretty much the same. The eggheads have cheated gravity, didn't know if maybe this was one of those eureka moments. Oh well. Wouldn't be able to afford it anyway.
*** But, can't the troops just post a sign alerting the enemy that it is a "gun free zone" and they would be safe? ***
LMAO!!!! You hit the nail on the head!!!!!
Install cry rooms on the front lines for those rare times the enemy doesn't read the sign. 😂 instead of white with a red cross like medical has, white with decreasing sized red circle with a solid red circle in the center to signify the cry rooms😂
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@@user-jv4ic8rh4d That's a joke my dad would make, lol.
Oh my, aren't you the manly man.
Mud should be enough, was enough for Arnold
You have to see the new Barricuda War-Fighting Giant Log then!
I was looking for this comment. 😄
it works
That’s hard to come by in the desert.
It works only temporary. Since the material itself will heat up after a while.
I was a Marine platoon commander in Vietnam 1969. We had rain ponchos that were rubber. In my experience they were useless except for providing a tent-like shelter but there were very few times where those were tactically reasonable. The ponchos were too cumbersome to where in combat because they restricted movement in firefights and they were useless in the monsoon season when it rained every day for weeks at a time. Additionally, ponchos were too hot to wear in the heat. in Vietnam we didn't wear skivvies or socks nor did we often wear anything under our flak jacket than nothing or an undershirt.
Great Idea and one that needs to develop to the point where normal comfortable wear in extreme heat and bitter cold will help the user to operate effectively.
Controlled tests in the US are important, but I've never operated in my 3 years of combat in moderate US test environments. My combat environments have always been fairly extreme.
I attended the Army's Artic Warfare Course at Ft Greely, AK. So how does this cloaking device work when covering a person with a temp of 98 degrees with a cloaking cover when the temp is -70 degrees?
I like the concept, but I'd like to see what it looks like in combat conditions rather than test conditions. What does it look like in the IR spectrum when a tank has been moving and firing in combat all day? Does it prevent the heat signature inside the cover from being observed?
Fire 200 rounds or more of MG fire and see if the MG team is still cloaked.
People / developers who have never been in combat in extreme environments will never understand the problems for both men/women and sensors.
Ah then there is the night vision devices that don't care about IR signatures. All modern detection platforms have visual, IR, and night vision devices. What then?
Thank you for your service. As you probably gathered, soldiers are expendable to the war complex. If you tell a
just for concealing movement thermal optics is every wear now once your sighted lose the gear. Drone videos from Ukraine show Russian solders utilizing it. Modern problems modern solutions. I have a similar product but it has exhaust fans for heat build up and tent poles that collapse to keep it off your body. Owning the night was null with low cost optics these materials offer a counter watching someone think they are sneaking around wile being observed with thermal optics puts things in perspective, US army tents are currently maid with this material to mitigate observation from thermal imagery in orbit.
This guy comments
Guess the only way to know for sure is from the guys in the field, feels like move counter move - wonder if ultimately soldiers will be wearing fully enclosed environmental systems? Funny it seems the more hi tech US etc get the lower tech the opposition, whilst i fully support providing the troops with the best of everything they need how often is it just unnecessary and just a question of adopting new tactics rather than new Technology?
@@LazarusAugment Your spelling needs just a wee bit of work.
Private Smith !!!
I didnt see you at camouflage practice yesterday !!!???
Well done !!!
SMITH was in the bar
Every attempt to concealment from thermal will have heat transferred to it if it gets in contact with heat source after some time. The only way to rely on this is if you wear this over you and it seems to not get any heat on for over 2 minutes. If somehow, it does get warm, then it's no better than a blanket.
Check out ProAptos thermal ghillies, they've had them for a few years now
Situational you right
This. No wearable system can work for long. Thermal is a problem because it's heat. You aren't making that heat vanish, you're just delaying it's transfer. And by delaying it, it also means what's "inside" the system is getting HOT because that heat isn't escaping. So it some cases that might be nice (soldier on a cold night might like that warm blanket keeping his heat it) but in others it's awful (soldier in the desert is going to hate wearing one of these). But in all cases, that heat is still going to get out somehow, someway, eventually. At best you can put them up as directional barriers to prevent visibility in one direction, so heat is still escaping "behind" it, but as a wearable, it's going to be very short term/limited application.
@@TheIansanity it also seems like if you wearing it you would effectively be suppressed as you would not be able to move and would have limited to no situational awareness....
This works completely different.
To quote a famous clothing designer. "No capes!"
Cloaks not capes
Galadriel has been giving these away since the mid 50s.
They probably weren’t as effective as this kit though.
Only to those that have her favor.
I took one of those silver survival blankets and cut holes in the shape of bunny rabbits. I figure my body heat will show through those holes and the enemy will think "Peter Cottontail" is having a family reunion.
This is brilliant,I can't understand the lack of recognition 😊
😂
Stay tuned ppl, I will be rolling out my TactiFridge 9000 soon. Basically it's a solar powered fridge with Batteries for overnight use. It has wheels and you hop in it when you detect a UAV overhead and BAM, no more heat signature. It's radar signature is minimal as I superglued some angles on it. Its camouflaged because I paint them green, or tan depending on the environment you're operating in and I staple native wildlife to the top. My groundhog edition is doing really well . Oh, and it also stores your beers, to quench your thirst after pulling the thing over rough terrain, or to give to your enemy as a form of peace treaty as you are knackered from pulling the fridge and incapable of fight. TactiFridge, for all your Tactical needs.
😂
ALERT ARMY ACQUISITIONS IMMEDIATELY. SOUNDS COOL, TO ME!
@@michaelshapiro1543 Great idea! Those REMF's have no idea and I could probably charge $100k per unit with their kind of spending...
Someone has been stealing Wood elf tech.
WE BREAKING INTO MORDOR WITH THIS ONE
@@smileydog5941 yeah boi!
For the lady.
The wood elves need not worry about it.
This will never work. The MOMENT the human body heat passes over to the materieal covering it, the material is no longer the same termperature as the surrounding environment and it can be detected from MILES away with professional-grade FLIR cameras - The best this thing can hope for is reduced daytime detection during the warmer months of the year... It'll never work at night, and NEVER during the winter.
This was created to fight Predator.
But it is old technology, the hobbits had it when they fell down the hill and used it to hide in front of the gats of Mordor.
A bit late Epstine is gone
JUST A MYLAR BLANKET [SPACE BLANKET] AND A CAMO FABRIC... BIG DEAL!
Space blankets are loud
No not even close
Wrong
I have read that it includes a layer of tiny aerated ceramic spheres, like those produced by some fluidised bed waste incinerators.
@@HighWealder So it is a really expensive space blanket and a camo fabric
So a glorified space blanket?
Yeah, go pack a space blanket with you the next time you go on patrol. Your bros will appreciate you for it.
@@thebigmon aproaching a time when civilians may need them.... they wont be patroling with their buddies... they probly just be diggin holes for you and your buddies to fall in
No
@@thebigmon I guess you take 2 camo blankets and stick space blanket in the sandwich - that's what you get. I believe I saw one that also had small holes for ventilation to dissipate heat
The radar camo part is by far the most interesting part of this system IMO. I couldn't care less about my thermal signature, but if this thing defeats radar, my motorbike is going to have a funky new camo coating XD
I guessing snipers in the Russian / Ukraine conflict would disagree. Drones are taking over the battlefield.
@@daddyrabbit835 They've got their own multispectral IR shielding. 🇺🇦 are expert improvisers.
@@corvanphoenixbanderistan is expert at sending waves of oligofren to their deaths nothing more
@@corvanphoenix uh-huh...
All you need to do is reduce highly reflective surfaces. Primary culprits are license plates, headlights, turn signals, and chrome grills. They sell license plate covers, and anti glare(stealth paint). Depending on the state or country it might not be legal.
You'd get a lot more interest calling it an Elven Cloak instead of Baracuda.
Barracuda is the company.
@@FastEddy396 No Saab
@@frankschmidt2303 Barracuda is the camo branch of Saab.
Drones also have aperture radar. They can see a foot print. Good luck.
Dtv also. Even at night at this point.
Hunters use fluffy covers for shoes like carpet strips...
Just one problem, most times you won't hear a UAV/UAS so by the time you put that on you will already be hit by a FPV.
I had one of these. I used a piece of cammo netting that I ziptied to my poncho, back in the day. That cammo netting was used for putting on your ruck, and your helmet, as well as your ghillie in strips.
A basic emergency blanket sown into a camo thick ponch or jacket and pants will work also
Mylar thermal blankets used for first aid hyperthermia would do the same thing for pennies...
Yeah but it’s not comfortable walking around with it and also the noise alone could give away your position if an enemy patrol is nearby not to mention how goofy it looks like and it glares like hell…
and drones have multiple sensors, when they go from ir to eow and you looks like a retard in a shiny bag you're gonna feel dumb af
Hypothermia
@@PhysicsViolatorthats why the camo fabric on the outside of is for. So it doesn't glare
If you hear the drone, the drone has more than likely already seen you. For static surveillance this would be a huge benefit though.
Idk, the heat still has to go somewhere and eventually it will bleed through
Yepp
@TheZeke64 That's also what I was curious about because I've yet to find anything that manages to conceal a heat signature for any real length of time. I was hoping somehow they had found a way to mitigate that, but it doesn't appear so.
@@crippledcalibers7684you need a system that continuously vents heat in a way that is minimally observable. So basically late generation stealth aircraft.
Need it to hide from my own government before I’ll need it for anyone else.
From experience I can say that it works for a few minutes. The suit will reach the same temperature as your body and can then be seen on the thermal images. Useful for short-term infiltrations, but then a heat shield is sometimes a better solution.
I have only one question: where do I get one?
relvcamo has been making something like this for a while. Theyre the only ones
I know of selling to civilians.
@@gatschroedinger cool thanks
@@alouiciousjackson5812 Now of course we need a poncho made from a ballistic blanket to protect against drone grenades.
ProApto makes thermal ghillies and sells to citizens too.
Dick's Sporting Goods --- space blankets do the same thing
I’m curious how long it lasts. You can basically achieve something very similar by simply wearing a Mylar poncho, however, shorty your body temperature will heat the poncho itself, bringing back your visual footprint.
So the real question is, how long does the infrared mitigation last? It can block my body heat all it wants to, until you figure out hoe to prevent the material itself from hearing up your product is useless.
More, hide, fan it a bit to cool it off, move again...
When will this hit the U.S. civilian market? How much U.S. retail price?
It’s hard to get, most companies that produce it only do mil/ leo sale
Guess some AliBaba merchant will be miles ahead of the US or any western market on this.
It's a mylar space blanket laminated to camo fabric. Make your own
Relv camo is the same thing for 500$ better camo colors too
@@oldirtyshinobi420 The term "better color" is fairly subjective. In darkness, most dark colors turn black. SAAB systems did a test many years ago. On a distance over 300 meters (approx. 311 yards) the color means little to nothing.
Step one: Poncho that can thermally cloak
Step two: electronic wrist mounted tech with fully interactive panel that can make you invisible for up to and including stalking special forces in the jungle.
You forgot the shoulder-mounted shock cannon! Sheesh.
Demonstrate it masking thermal signatures from above.
There is a video on my channel of guys using a homemade cloak and tricking thermals on a Apache gunship.. I also have still shots in my files of another situation where soldiers made homemade cloaks and they successfully blocks hand held thermals.
@@Bergmann.Alaska Thank you.
If you’re covered by the poncho it won’t matter if someone is above you or at your same level. It works either way. It’s barrier blocking your IR energy.
@@savagecub he means heat transfer can cause poncho itself to heat up
The deal breaker is time.
Heavy multi-mill painter's tarp.
Surely uniforms made of the stuff is the solution
For thermal protection you can use normal mylar blanket. There are also ponchos available which have mylar as inner layer.
I dont get the square pattern...
you do not want to look hot in it..
Probably for NVGs
Wool liner for comfort sandwiching thermal blankets with nylon outer shell for durability.
Nylon glows under active IR.
Self defeating.
Helps to REDUCE, it won't make you invisible, just, LESS visible, like stealth.
If it can't change its temperature its useless. Sooner or later the individual under it will heat the top surface and it will start to show on camera.
HI, is it possible to get a test sample to review on a podcast please.
I used to stuff my poncho in the little butt pack thingy on my FLC gear, I would stuff it in there however I could, how much abuse can this take, because if it’s anything under a 💩 ton then it won’t work for the common troop
Covering a thermal signature is part of the problem, but it's movement that draws the eye the most. That draws the human eye and motion detection software.
Old technology, 25 years before classified information is released
It’s definitely a thing. I had an actual wool poncho and it was freaky how many times people would miss me when I was sitting right there. Always had the poncho on.
Make a uniform in these patterns.
It's not the pattern that makes this unique, it's the thermal insulating properties. I don't think troops wanna wear something like this for more than an hour.
@@yoinky In the winter i think it would be very good, but, in the summer not so good 😕
Pattern can mean type. Type of uniform. Is that what you meant?
It would be hot to wear. But possible in some scenarios. A poncho can be worn under plate carrier etc.
Jesus people, this ain't rocket science. I said pattern, not material. Just print it on rolls of standard 50/50 nyco ripstop and make ACU's out of it. Gawd 🙄
@newdefsys it's not the pattern (shapes on material) that defeats NV. It's the material. 🤣
Why not make a uniform made of this material ?
Space Pancho Via had jokes, they were all one liners
How does it hold up after a month of jungle combat patrols? Does it work it it's torn? does it obscure my vision? Can I pivot and fire as needed? Looks good on paper.
Thermal can still get you during the day tho lol
The drone sees you well before you hear it. As far as the drones go, i think we have to be more proactive than reactive. We need multiple ways to take them out. If you have electronic warfare systems to block or intercept the signal, they just use fiber optic drones. As if war wasn't bad enough before.
If you hear a UAV flying, that poncho will be more than useless and a waste of money. I can guarantee you that the UAV would have seen you before you even got a chance to hear it - that is if you even do hear it. Maybe this is a good idea for reconnaissance but anything else is a waste of money, materials and equipment. The best way to beat UAV is not to go to war to begin with. Also when he showed the two one covered and the other one not covered, the body shape is clearly visible defeating the whole premise.
glow harder
I have my doubts. Eventually your body heat is going to transfer to anything it is in contact with for a long enough period of time.
"Yuri! Something is moving in the trees."
"ARTILLERIEEEEEEE!"
What about the woobie? Does it come with one and is it also “invisible”?
This has been on my wishlist but DARPA won’t respond to my emails.
Outstanding. The thermal imaging drones are the next stage in Warfare and they're also being used to drop improvised explosive devices. I'm a little disappointed in the camouflage system I think it needs a little bit of work. Congratulations. There was plans shared with the civilian population 10 to 15 years ago. I'm sure it's the same material. One thing I wish you would have introduced in your segment was how long does the individual stay cloaked or if the device begins to heat up the body temperature.
Looks neat, so it'll be banned from civilian ownership in 3 days.
No but the ATF will do a noknock on you!
Relv and Beez have similar stuff for sale, but idk if it's as good
do they have also some video tests and comparison as ProApto does?
So, legit question, where did the fish name come in to this as a good idea?😂😂
Someone was probably listening the that rockin’ Heart classic song.
What is the wear that this material can take? How long will that thermal cloth last?
What kind of Harry Potter black magic is this?
What's the shelf life on 1 of these?
I think the magic in the dye used
so as long as you're able to preserve the dye and use compliant cleaning products it should last a long while
@@fortknightpredilluvian2008 Good to know
I wonder if the Special Forces have used this yet?
@fortknightpredilluvian2008 the poncho weighs 3.5 pounds. It's Def not the dye lol. I bet that thing is thicker than it looks and it wears hotter than it looks.
Wow! This innovation is incredible. Can it be used to cover armored vehicles?
Im glad it works, but give some programmer a year or two to notice some anomaly or pixelation or somethign and write an ai or coding to detect it. Then it will only work against human user vs human user.
You have no idea what you are talking about lol
So where do you go to purchase these? Seems to be government agencies only
Will this be available for civilian use ?
You might only need a 2 x 2 deployable pop-up cover for the front if you’re in a face-to-face combat drones makes sense to have it over your back
Is this available for civilian use at all? Just asking for a friend of course.
How long does this last? If you cover yourself with one of these, will it last for a 7 hour hide? I think not. It will get warm and start to show.
The fashion world about go crazy with this one.
Wow it was evaluated by the army, such accolades and awards. I once looked at a tree damaged by an ice storm and thought that tree is all messed up and missing a bunch of branches so you could say I evaluated that tree, what an honor for that tree.
These ponchos just like cam nets etc only conceal what is underneath you can still see the poncho or cam net if you know what you are looking at or for.
If you took a regular poncho and put arrow gel layer on the pancho and then sewed a layer of camouflage radar absorbent material over the top of that you would have the same thing. Heat builds up though. It will become hot as crap underneath that thing very fast unless you're able to vent it somehow.
I came up with a similar system 10 years ago using a poncho an emergency blanket one of those silver ones and a poncho liner and it worked perfectly
Real smart! Share with everyone!!!
my version has exhausts fans and collapsable tent poles I have one in stock with 2 on the shelf ill add it to the online store next month
The thing that you see in this video that he has over him is over 20 years old.
The real life infrared suit developed by the department of defense is the suit from the movie invisible Man that came out in 2020. The real life suit of that movie is invisible to all forms of thermal imaging. It looks exactly like it did in the movie.
About time. Our troops deserve the best protection.
Is this available for citizen use or only military use?
Question is how effective will it be when worn for a long period of time or heated by the human body in a backpack for hours.
Impressive, do you think this will eventually become adaptive camouflage?
You can make one like this yourself but better. The only downside is that it will get very warm and u won't want to be moving around or in a hot place after a while. Also, if your in a dense forest your probably already hidden. In the fields and open steppe of Ukraine or in the desert, thermal is much more useful.
Is it possible to buy? At what price ?
When phosphorus first came out, we used plastic heat blankets... only problem was it couldn't be close to your body or it wouldn't work too well.
No information on price or link to find one?
You think they sell to civilians? Lmao.
Try RELV. They aren't a military contractor, they don't have a vested interest in the government having severe advantages over you.
This feels like one of those things where it will cost 2 million per unit and make some MIC execs very happy and we'll never know how well it actually works bc america fights 3rd world dirt farmers via proxies
Where can I buy this? A link would be nice.
Can we make this into jackets etc. so the uniform itself is thermal camouflage?
How much does it weight and how hard will it be to pack ?
One question…when are these going to be available on Amazon???
Would you not be better just making the uniforms out of the material from top to bottom IE gloves boots helmets.
It would have to hold in heat, which means it gets hotter than hell underneath one. How do they mitigate that?
Do the come in ready made sizes, like a tent?
Carry the poncho on the outside of your pack to keep it consistent with the outside ambent temperature... Extremely important..
how long can it be worn before the soilder over heats?
Drones change everything is like ghost reacon brakepoint now
Even if this is a fail, I like where this is headed. Cloaking technology for an individual soldier is going to be pretty cool once they optimize it.
I’ve seen a Ukraine Sniper showcase these and it they incorporated tent poles and a dome tent turtle shell setup it could be like shooting through loopholes. The Infrared scopes showed poncho designs would get spotted quickly which is sad.
How long does it last before the person's heat bleed through?
This is waycool, however I would like to see a timelapse at 15 minute, 30, 1 hr in a hot environment. Now if it is a short term item for UAF evasion, then I can see how the long exposure would not be necessary. But in a hide position, long term and very long term exposure is needed.
Finally can it mitigate the heat if placed under a camo net for a howitzer or vehicle. It won't fully dissipate, but any mitigation might be helpful.
Is it a mylar blanket in a camo blanket?
Thermal scopes can detect temperature difference as low as 0.015°C.
I was watching a TH-cam:-spec-ops type podcast. They iterated that after a certain mil-thickness, mud would defeat IR optics to a fair-thee-well. This from being there vs. theoretical supposition. Quite fascinating really.
Surprised its taken so long to get this into production. Is still only recently tested.
Space blankets do the same thing
@03stmlax yes but i mean an issued piece of kit. Not just for snipers.