"Did he just walk up slowly, and downsmash? He did, he really did though, but Fox floorhug teched followed by two spotdodges, tumbled to ledge then ledgedashed and waveshined him across the stage into upsmash" Yo Mango, are you gonna let him do that to you?
Oh damn 20XX is legit 2020, so we've finally made it to the year everyone was memeing about And the crazy thing is, we weren't that far from what's actually happening
Hope this makes competitive play much more ridiculous. Here's a fun fact about editing this one: The very last change to this video was made the night before this came out around 3 AM. We just changed a single coordinate in one image.
imagine playing fox, you nair this falcon while he's at 180 and you're like "he's so dead" and he just fuckin rolls across the stage, goes "show me your moves," and sends your ass to the blast zone
I can't wait to see people taunting at the edge of the stage to survive. It's going to be the hypest piece of tech ever. I think Hax you just changed the game with that video. Great content, it's mind blowing as always.
If someone survives a hit at 300+%, asdi-tdi techrolls into a frame perfect taunt, I dont care how good you are, you gotta unplug your controller after that
Holy shit, I remember Ice talking about this technique a couple of years ago and I can specifically recall him talking about having to taunt to prevent your character from falling offstage.
But a mixup would be to spotdodge only enough times to reduce traction (or velocity) so it no longer kills you, then recover normally. Admittedly still puts you in edgeguard/ledgetrap situation but it's better than the previously guaranteed death. Jesus imagine this mastered truly 20XX BS then XD Oh shi and could you do a frame perfect jump off ledge to maximize your recovery? :O
The reason Hax is recommending spot dodging is cause there is a 1 frame window for normal inputs, but spot dodges can be buffered in a 4 frame window and chained in such a fashion. A much more practical but more precise option is to use another grounded move with just enough frames to allow for survival but not for a punish if the spot dodge would last too long.
Fun facts: - Your momentum is cancelled if you edge teeter. So Peach's dsmash and Doc's dtilt don't even need the taunt or spot dodge. - Due to ECB updates, Falcon's knee is almost impossible (except for Puff and 4 low-tiers) to Amsah tech when fresh or partially staled. It requires a frame perfect (1 extra frame leniency when fresh) SDI with a precise angle that depends on your damage.
I'm very surprised he didn't mention how this tech is referred to as amsah teching by the community, or how you can fastfall and grab ledge after doing it. I don't know if it works all the time or if your knockback has to be reduced to a certain amount, but as Falcon I feel like you'd almost always want to grab ledge then ledgehop back with an invincible move or ledgedash rather than any of the options he has to stay onstage.
i've played this game for almost 20 years, and i consistently am surprised and amazed at the level of bullshittery and awesomeness that it exudes. melee is fucking sick.
I just see a fox down smashing a Falcon. Falcon floor hugs, tech rolls, does three spot dodges. The fox grabbed the ledge during Falcons roll and rockcrocks his recovery anyway lol.
although a follow up to the d-smash might've been a good option for fox, falcon is able to mix up his rooting with a punch, a taunt and a dodge. i await the day in which this is common knowledge and everyone plays like anime fights.
Love this type of content, please keep it up! It’s incredibly informative. I never knew the tumble % differed per character. I wish Smash Ultimate players would make content like this.
What is the main difference between a tdi floorhug and an amsah tech? From my experience, you get the same result just by doing an amsah tech and then fast falling right when you slide off stage to immediately grab the ledge.
Can characters with a neutral charging special move like mewtwo or Samus just hold charge until releasing to live forever instead of doing multiple spot dodges?
You can reduce the number of spotdodges you need to perform by inputting a fast fall then letting go to quickly snap to ledge even with a bunch of momentum.
These videos have been helping me understand so much. Also marths grab can root him lol. Is there anything else that can be buffered besides spotdodge? I assume not cuz you didn't talk about it but I gotta ask anyway
Quick question: Say you are down smashing a sheik after she recovers on stage and she hits tdi, tech rolls, and starts performing spotdodges to root herself/ cancel the momentum. While she is spot dodging, can you just put out a lingering hitbox over her vulnerability at the end of her 2nd spotdodge and kill her no matter what because she already pressed L to spotdodge previously? I could have something wrong here but wouldnt it be more optimal to aim for the 1 frame taunt input because then you get 100 frames of being rooted and then only have to try to tech the opponent's move on reaction?
The first portion is the amsah tech (tdi asdi tech roll away might be a little less ambiguous), and then Hax's portion is decreasing the knockback value to stay on stage/ledge with moves that can increase your traction by being rooted on the ground. This creates the possibility to stay on stage until stupidly high percents.
so wait are analog stick spotdodge universaly bufferable ie you can input them 4 frames before ~any~ grounded action ends to get the frame perfect one?
@@ha1vorsen You implied one punish can kill falcon, which is true ofcourse. Hax says "this move can never kill falcon", it's a statement about that one move. Ofcourse even an ftilt will kill falcon then lol
Staling does affect knockback but the Arduino in Hax's brain can only compute 69 variables per second so he left it out. It's melee there's always more layers.
"By performing a TDI floor hug, then techrolling, then using 8 spotdodges..."
If I see anything like this in a real game I would go insane lmao
Y'know, I read the comments before I watched the video and I thought you were meming there with that "8 spot dodges" at the end...
Right?! Imagine this in grands at a major. I would lose my shit.
SupBroLetsChill Borp is gonna come back and be a god,.
Weyk47 borp was ahead of his time
lowkey like daigo parry but can get blown up p easily lmao
"Did he just walk up slowly, and downsmash? He did, he really did though, but Fox floorhug teched followed by two spotdodges, tumbled to ledge then ledgedashed and waveshined him across the stage into upsmash"
Yo Mango, are you gonna let him do that to you?
Top tier comment
"he really did though. he really did."
Is that you Dave-O?
This is the best comment to ever exist
Isai "Don't get hit"
Hax " Don't die"
the year is 2020, frame perfect taunts are the optimal strategy
change to 20XX for more likes
Oh damn 20XX is legit 2020, so we've finally made it to the year everyone was memeing about
And the crazy thing is, we weren't that far from what's actually happening
@@equinox-XVI but when peaople talk about ness timelines the say 20XX or 19XX meaning 19th or 18th century
@@JuliuSeizure well yeah, but it's fun to break the rules a little and say the year is written in numbers and Roman numerals
@@equinox-XVI my boy Roy won a major
"what percent does fox Nair kill falcon again?"
hax: "no"
Nair kills at 2??%, down smash is the one that doesn't ever kill.
Based on the title I just assumed Hax found a way to upload his consciousness onto a GameCube memory card.
best comment i've seen in a while
What do you think the next video is for?
mans is making an irl version of the forge from westworld
I'm screaming
That is dumb.... especially since he already did that but instead he used the BOX.
when falcon hugs the floor, it's "tech"
when i do it, it's "depression"
m o o d
Pressure tech and depression tech
Wombo combo
Awesome stuff once again!
How come you don't make smash videos anymore?
@@jonasrivers3675 It's been one week, relax
@@clutchedbyanangel I just went through all the videos public on the channel, I don't think he ever did tbh.
@@jonasrivers3675 he literally made a video a week ago
@@mike.semark dafuq are you blind
Hope this makes competitive play much more ridiculous. Here's a fun fact about editing this one: The very last change to this video was made the night before this came out around 3 AM. We just changed a single coordinate in one image.
Love the dedication, you can feel the love that has been poured into every single one of these videos. Always looking forward to them.
imagine playing fox, you nair this falcon while he's at 180 and you're like "he's so dead" and he just fuckin rolls across the stage, goes "show me your moves," and sends your ass to the blast zone
I can't wait to see people taunting at the edge of the stage to survive. It's going to be the hypest piece of tech ever.
I think Hax you just changed the game with that video. Great content, it's mind blowing as always.
and a taunt would be even more of a flex cause its frame prefect ;D
If someone survives a hit at 300+%, asdi-tdi techrolls into a frame perfect taunt, I dont care how good you are, you gotta unplug your controller after that
Big “Half an A-Press” vibes and I love it. Incredible and valuable content for the community.
Next video is about how to enter PUs to survive fox’s nair
Holy shit, I remember Ice talking about this technique a couple of years ago and I can specifically recall him talking about having to taunt to prevent your character from falling offstage.
don't downsmash me or my son ever again
Some memes deserve to come back after a while good on ya m8
I can't wait to see top players spotdodging 3 times at the ledge just to get upsmashed by the other player
But a mixup would be to spotdodge only enough times to reduce traction (or velocity) so it no longer kills you, then recover normally. Admittedly still puts you in edgeguard/ledgetrap situation but it's better than the previously guaranteed death.
Jesus imagine this mastered truly 20XX BS then XD
Oh shi and could you do a frame perfect jump off ledge to maximize your recovery? :O
The reason Hax is recommending spot dodging is cause there is a 1 frame window for normal inputs, but spot dodges can be buffered in a 4 frame window and chained in such a fashion. A much more practical but more precise option is to use another grounded move with just enough frames to allow for survival but not for a punish if the spot dodge would last too long.
At least it gives you a chance
ChamplooMusashi like what other move? I feel like spot dodge is the only option every other grounded attack would have more lag
@@jesusalc1421 what about jabs?
ah yes, Plot armor as a mechnic
wait you're telling me that falcons spotdodge was actually good all along
I thought "live forever" was an exaggeration until I saw the clip at 12:20
Fun facts:
- Your momentum is cancelled if you edge teeter. So Peach's dsmash and Doc's dtilt don't even need the taunt or spot dodge.
- Due to ECB updates, Falcon's knee is almost impossible (except for Puff and 4 low-tiers) to Amsah tech when fresh or partially staled. It requires a frame perfect (1 extra frame leniency when fresh) SDI with a precise angle that depends on your damage.
leave it to hax to create a new tech when i thought i learned everything from melee
Thinking u have learned everything was ur first mistake friend
This tech is about 14 years old.
This one is certainly old news. It's in TASes from ages ago. Good breakdown though and shows where and when it might be feasible.
Ah, I understand. You can spot dodge with the c-stick as well as the analog stick.
So a TDI floorhug tech is the same thing as a amsah tech, right?
Yes
Thank you Hax, very cool!
I'm very surprised he didn't mention how this tech is referred to as amsah teching by the community, or how you can fastfall and grab ledge after doing it. I don't know if it works all the time or if your knockback has to be reduced to a certain amount, but as Falcon I feel like you'd almost always want to grab ledge then ledgehop back with an invincible move or ledgedash rather than any of the options he has to stay onstage.
"There's so much more Melee to be played"
9:24 no hax I’m honestly a bit lost. 😭
Not only did i learn an extremely complicated tech, I also learned you can spotdodge with Cstick. Now that’s value.
I can imagine TDI floorhugging becoming a new important tech to grind and practice. Thank you for revolutionizing 2020 melee Hax
It's called an Amsah tech bro, it's been important tech for a long time.
@@samerfaizi2914 Ye but spotdodging making you grab ledge+ be invinsibel is game changing tho
i've played this game for almost 20 years, and i consistently am surprised and amazed at the level of bullshittery and awesomeness that it exudes. melee is fucking sick.
I just see a fox down smashing a Falcon. Falcon floor hugs, tech rolls, does three spot dodges.
The fox grabbed the ledge during Falcons roll and rockcrocks his recovery anyway lol.
The depth of Melee is insane. Moral of the story, work 18 hour days and get the thing done in 10 months for the perfect fighting game.
People learn your percents and then cry when I CC and continue to tech you anyway
This is some insane shit. Every melee vid I see you post has taught me more about the game than I ever imagined. Props to you.
although a follow up to the d-smash might've been a good option for fox, falcon is able to mix up his rooting with a punch, a taunt and a dodge. i await the day in which this is common knowledge and everyone plays like anime fights.
The problem is that all three of those options can be easily covered by a charged upsmash or grab.
You do great work, sir. Thank your for your service.
Love this type of content, please keep it up! It’s incredibly informative. I never knew the tumble % differed per character. I wish Smash Ultimate players would make content like this.
Is there any way to figure what moves have the rooted property for characters so I know what options I have with different characters?
Normal Winnie the Pooh: Amsah Tech
Fancy Winnie the Pooh: TDI Floorhug
This brought a tear to my eye.
Thank you.
What is the main difference between a tdi floorhug and an amsah tech? From my experience, you get the same
result just by doing an amsah tech and then fast falling right when you slide off stage to immediately grab the ledge.
The first half of this video is really just explaining amsah teching in depth calling it something else
Lmao literally nothing
Can characters with a neutral charging special move like mewtwo or Samus just hold charge until releasing to live forever instead of doing multiple spot dodges?
Can't wait to see Wizzy surviving nairs and d-smashes infinitely in tournament
hey hax ur handsome
Every time Hax uploads a youtube vid, Uncle Punch lets out a deep sigh.
Can you imagine a falcon spot dodging in front of you 4 times in a row. I wouldn’t even try to follow up. I’d just watch the show
yo this video is sick. i lost it after the falcon taunted to double root himself on stage. def gonna start using this.
these need so much more attention, my god
My friends tried to teach me double stick DI in 07 and now it finally makes sense
Also worth noting that you can fast fall to ledge if your x kbv isn’t too high
You can reduce the number of spotdodges you need to perform by inputting a fast fall then letting go to quickly snap to ledge even with a bunch of momentum.
As evident, hax dollar has left the physical world to live out the quarantine inside Melee's game code.
Thanks Professor Hax, very cool.
melee is floor gang confirmed
This is beautiful. Thank you for using CF and Fox.
These videos have been helping me understand so much. Also marths grab can root him lol. Is there anything else that can be buffered besides spotdodge? I assume not cuz you didn't talk about it but I gotta ask anyway
Aziz "Singularity" Al-Yami
Ultimate has more rooting than the amazon rainforest
The year is 20XX, matches are decided by whichever Fox out floorhug techs the other to death.
I don't even play, I just love seeing the depth in this game. It's so cool to see that this game is still being advanced.
Same lol
I do the same thing with other games.
But its a gateway drug
Actually, I was inspired to play again today.
@@CharlesLeak awesome :D
Do you ever consider adding background music to your videos? Great stuff as always Hax$
Wait why was the icon the c stick? Sdi is analog stick? how long has the c stick done something?? What have I been missing????
I'm not even into melee much (too old to play properly) but I sub just for the knowledge, it's impressive and very well presented, good job aziz
Is a TDI floor hug the same thing as an AMSA tech?
Jesus the amount of effort put into all these videos
During tech roll towards ledge, couldn't you just mash jab to buffer jab before you fly off stage?
In doubles you could nair Luigi into taunt spike for the sickest team combo
spot dodging with c stick is a thing?
Is it going to be momentum cancelling like pika's upB?
What's the frame window to input a tech? When should I do it?
Dude 21.900 subscribers, 21.055 views; almost every subscriber watches your videos. You're SICK!!
Quick question:
Say you are down smashing a sheik after she recovers on stage and she hits tdi, tech rolls, and starts performing spotdodges to root herself/ cancel the momentum. While she is spot dodging, can you just put out a lingering hitbox over her vulnerability at the end of her 2nd spotdodge and kill her no matter what because she already pressed L to spotdodge previously? I could have something wrong here but wouldnt it be more optimal to aim for the 1 frame taunt input because then you get 100 frames of being rooted and then only have to try to tech the opponent's move on reaction?
in the year 20XX fox's down smash will never kill falcon (mind blown)
ok but at what percents can we TDI floor hug Specifically Zain's Roy's D-tilt?
There's still a lot of Melee left to play.
So basically a more optimal Amsah tech?
Who knew optimal play might include spotdodging 8 times lol
THIS is how you play a fighting game.
Dang Armada said smash melee hasn't changed but Hax said hold my beer
Is this basically just an Amsah Tech?
The first portion is the amsah tech (tdi asdi tech roll away might be a little less ambiguous), and then Hax's portion is decreasing the knockback value to stay on stage/ledge with moves that can increase your traction by being rooted on the ground. This creates the possibility to stay on stage until stupidly high percents.
Makes half a video about amsah teching and tried to call it something nobody else calls it
He's not claiming it's completely new. He's explaining the mechanics behind it, and how to maximise its effectiveness based on that understanding.
@@alexkfridges yeah but call the entire first half of the vid amsah teching
Joseph Tochtrop go away
Thank you for making this.
I feel like this is just going into the technical background for the Amsah tech...
Sick shit Hax I love you. But I gotta let you know that the emphasis in "airborne" is on the first syllable. Like AIRborne instead of airBORNE
so wait are analog stick spotdodge universaly bufferable ie you can input them 4 frames before ~any~ grounded action ends to get the frame perfect one?
How does this differ from an Amsah Tech? Or is this just an explanation of Amsah Teching?
Mango wasn't wrong. There is still some melee to be played.
we're working at home during quarantine, while hax is writing his thesis
Hax found the melee fountain of youth...
i have never heard anybody say july like hax$
send this to the people that says that being a pro esport player is easy
Prometheus bringing us the fire of the gods
So you’re telling me that smash automatic smash di is real
So given all of this information, what is an Amsa tech?
I clicked the video 16 seconds after you posted you bet I'm watching the next one
"As a result, this move can never kill Falcon"
One punish during the frame of vulnerability in a spotdodge:
"One punish" doesn't seem to be part of "this move"
@@Zalorne what
@@ha1vorsen You implied one punish can kill falcon, which is true ofcourse. Hax says "this move can never kill falcon", it's a statement about that one move. Ofcourse even an ftilt will kill falcon then lol
Why am I even explaining this lmao it was a joke as a reply to your joke
@@Zalorne Technically correct is the best kind of correct, I'm not even mad
isnt this basically an amsah tech
OPTIMAL TAUNTING
Does move-staling affect knockback? I assume it doesn't, since he probably would've mentioned it if so
Staling does affect knockback but the Arduino in Hax's brain can only compute 69 variables per second so he left it out. It's melee there's always more layers.
@@radiosignal I wanted to think so, but never really learned much about staling outside of damage drop. Ty for the info
@@radiosignal "the Arduino in haxs brain can only compute 69 variables per second" I AM FUCKIN DYINGGG BRO
@@TimeToGetIntense yeah, I remembered that KB is calculated after damage is dealt after a hot second
Is luigi not included because of his absolute lack of traction lmao
i think you would need to do like 648291^3 spotdodges to survive
Is there a list of tumble %s of each character??? Where can i get it?
That was insane to see Falcon survive at 999%