@@jbscotchman time is everything, why wait experience the best now. I used to think I have all the time in the world, we really don't. I went 10 years without upgrading my CPU ... never again, I was in my mid 20s when I did that. couldn't imagine doing that at 45.. I would want the best now and maybe go 4- 5 years without upgrading max.
I’m going to roll with my 7800X3D for a few more years. Hopefully the “11800X3D” will be on AM5 as well… then I can drop that chip into my B650e motherboard.
Building my 1st AMD system in 20 years, moving from an i9-13900 with DDR4 ram / 4090 to the 9800 X3D on the Asus Tuf 870 with DDR5 CL30. As I play 90% flight sims i'm hoping for better FR in DCS and other sims in VR.
It’s great but I don’t want to battle supply shortage to upgrade my 7800x3d. I upgraded from a 3900x and a 2070super to the 7800x3d and a 4080super… I’m more than thrilled with my upgrade
Newegg let's you get it on backorder. That is what I did. Placed it on Backorder a few days ago and just yesterday it confirmed and reserved a unit when they got more in and it shipped this morning without any further needed input from me.
@@Frogstoney I would strongly argue, no. 7800x3d is a superb chip and you won't feel the difference in real world use with today's demanding games. I'd wait for the next generation before considering an upgrade. Enjoy what you have and save the coin (maybe for a 50-series....)
Went from 7950x3D to the 9800x3D because my CPU died on me. Sacrificed multitasking capabilities for better gaming performance. I’m happy with my purchase.
I think AMD has a 4 year warranty, you should really get ur 7950x3d RMAed. Its such an expensive chip. Once the RMA completes you can decide to sell it to recoup some of your cost...
I grabbed a 7800x3d when it was rock bottom price recently (around when Zen 5 launched and looked disappointing) for my next build. I didnt expect the 9800x3d performance but given that it sounds like Zen 6 will be on the same socket I'll happily sit on my 7800x3d and go for the bigger upgrade again to whatever x3d equivalent on Zen 6.
Waiting for my 9800x3d to be delivered - moving from the 5800x3d paired with a 4090… skipped the 7800 as the jump wasn’t worthwhile changing from AM4… but now!!! MSFS 2024 may see me move again to the 9950x3d if the rumoured double x3D cache is true…. Higher end VR will use whatever power we can give it, which means the 5090 will be in my basket as soon as it’s available too… Looking forward to the next couple of years when we’ll get near ‘real-life’ quality simming.
Now is finally time to upgrade my 10900KF and go AMD, performances are EPIC, price are much lower and even the temperature is another level. The intel every version of i9 kf go up to 100C even with watercool, its not good. It never was
Those temperatures would quite literally have me going into a full-blown panic attack. Lol good luck with the new PC. If I hadn’t just upgraded to the 7800x3d I’d be grabbing this CPU for sure.
Yeah, they get pretty toasty at full load. In games, they are not that bad at all. My 13900kf can get up to 90c with a custom loop if I do a full core workload. But it chills at 45-60c during most games.
I’m right there with you regarding the last time I had an AMD processor…haven’t had one since the late 90s. I bought the 9800x3d this past weekend (intel still has the better (but way more expensive) motherboards imho)
I have a 3700x still. It does cause bottlenecks that I've was cool with. The 5700x3D is a cheaper option while I upgrade my 6700xt to whatever comes out next year GPU wise. I'll hold on to that whenever the 9800x3D drops in price in a couple to few years.
@@REDA-SB For sure. I do know its overkill, but I'm talking about upgrading my 6700xt even if I had a 9800x3D at the moment. If the 8800xt or whatever its called is truly competing with the 4070tiS in RT, then I will get it knowing that the 5070 should beat it in RT and maybe even Raster.
My 500mhz K6-2 back in the day was so bad in warcraft 3 compared to a 300mhz pentium II that I switched to intel when I got the chance. Still love the socket 7 though. But now it's a different story for AMD and Intel.
I’m on a 5600X. I pre-ordered a 9800X3D from a local shop. Not sure when it will arrive. It’ll be overkill for me, but I hope to get 5 years out of it.
I was able to sell my 7800x3D the same day i got the 9800x3D. Probably not necessary, but i should be set for even longer than I thought i was going to be.
Will stick with my 7800x3d and 4090 for the time being. That duo is still far more then enough to tackle anything out now or coming for the foreseeable future
Ya, I'm in the same boat I just upgraded from a 5800X3D earlier this year. Got it in a bundle at microcenter motherboard, 32 Gigs DDR5 and 7800x3D for less then $600. I actually had a chance to pick a 9800X3D up at microcenter this morning, but $500 is a lot of coin to drop on just CPU and the 7800X3D 4090 pair currently can run all the games the way I want them too on my 83" LG G4. Maybe in half a year when it drops to $350, but at that point why not wait for Zen6. I'm also still running an AM4 set up in the office with that 5800X3D and a 4080 Super on an ultrawide and that's still an amazing gaming system.
Yeah I have 5800x3D and 3080ti… but I’m fine with that for a while. I’m mostly sim racing and the odd run around on CoD and still very happy with performance. Can’t let the hype of these vids burn a hole in my pocket 😅
@@stevenanderson3205he was referring to the fact that since your cpu is better then what’s in current gen systems, pc games will always have settings for pc’s that are similarly spec’d until the PS6 launches and new games start taking advantage of the new features.
First and last AMD processor was my AMD K6-2 350mhz. It was a monster upgrade to my then Celeron 233mhz but after that I went Intel all the way because for gaming back then clock speed > all. Nowadays AMD's X3D line looks fantastic and Intel wants you to buy a new motherboard every time.
I'm not trying to fight you - but I do remember that in Athlon XP days, generally speaking games had tendency to run better on equally clocked AMD and Intel CPU's. Though benchmarks not necessarily. Of course this might come down to games we played, but AMD even used in in Marketing. My Athlon XP 2200+ was 1.8 GHz. And yes, it was roughly equal in performance to 2.2 GHz Intel Processors. Though again, this might come down to games we played. Last one I managed to play on it was Gothic 3. It was tough ;)
The 7600 is more than enough for my ultrawide gaming needs, saving myself loads of cash too. Until 1440p becomes the new CPU testing resolution, I will keep going for the bargain R5 CPU’s.
As a 7600x + 6800xt owner, I'm unsure about the upgrade path in 1 or 2 years... Looking like an awesome CPU, I still have to check on the power consumption tho
7800x3d/6800xt for me rn and with the 9800x3ds improvement in 1% lows im definitely looking forward to the last am5 x3d processor since like alex said im on a 240hz 1440p oled so it would be more an upgrade to me for software/engine limited games, the games that the 7800x3d has below 60fps 1% 0.1% lows where even the 9800x3d is enticing. But im upgrading gpu before i upgrade cpu, built this machine in 2023 to last many years w upgrades.
It’s hilarious people complain about the price of the ps5 pro and you see the sheer idiocy of these comments and people buying components for the same price with a $2k graphics card
Random questions for anyone here who may help, I'm very very interested in switching over from intel. I've been on i9 as my use-case includes heavy productivity with editing and rendering tasks. But I'd very much like the uplift in gaming performance. The 7950x3d was supposed to be the blend between flagship productivity and gaming performance but it fell short of the 7800x3d in gaming. However, I heard this was due to how the cores with 3d v-cache(?) were used, or not used. So from this I have 3 questions: 1.) I heard there were a couple of "fixes" for the 7950x3d that allowed a massive increase in gaming performance. Do these known fixes bring the 7950x3d on par with the 7800x3d with gaming performance? 2.) Do these known fixes likewise-reduce the productivity uplift? 3.) These issues to my casual-eye seem like simple fixes, is it likely that the 9950x3d may have fixed these problems? A fix that'd see a processor that fully bridges that gap, effectively providing flagship productivity speeds with 9800x3d gaming speeds?
1.) Yes - core-parking, you use software like Process-Lasso but also settings in BIOS. You have to set it up right though - Gamers Nexus mentioned how they made a mistake on that in their 9800X3D -review, which decreased 7950X3D gaming-performance. Fixing their settings made it very close to the 7800X3D. 2. Not to my knowledge - productivity is multi-threaded, and when done right, you shouldn't have cores parked in productivity-apps. 3. They're not super-simple, as I understand it. Side-note: you still lose performance in games when going from CCD to CCD, so even though the performance-loss may not be as high anymore, if the 9950X3D really has double v-cache, you may still get a slight performance-loss because of bouncing in-between CCD's.
@@ijustyap You're welcome. ^^ Sadly I couldn't give specifics, since I haven't looked super-closely into it, but hopefully that gave you a point to start from, when researching it.
I'm currently CPU bottlenecked in Hogwarts Legacy, Baldurs Gate 3 and Horizon Zero Dawn at 4K DLSS on Ultra on my 7950x and RTX 4090 Combo. Yes, Im upgrading.
Why a 7950X, when you're clearly a gamer? Do you need the extra cores for productivity? If you need both, you should wait for the 9950X3D. It'll cost ya', but if you already own a 4090, you shouldn't be averse to cost.
@@predabot__6778 nah dont need the extra cores, was waiting for an X3D CPU to come out with a little more Oomph for games and 9800X3D is the one I want to get
Zen5 was all about increasing core resources by about 33% without similar improvement in memory access. Thus memory became more off a bottleneck. Future consoles dealing with that problem, maybe having memory controller on the same die and having 256bit memory bus of fast memory. L3 cache helps mostly by preventing some access to main memory. GDDR7 has lower latency than gddr6, both are higher than DDR5 because of optimization of bandwidth instead of latency. On the other hand. Software is going to be optimized to that hardware, and GPU is going to take nearly all the die space and cost and still be the main bottleneck. I wouldn't be surprised, if next gen consoles would either completely get rid of L3 cache or significantly increase it's size. Yes. L2 cache of Zen5 2MB while PS5 L3 cache is 1MB per core, with 4 cores sharing L3 cache. The console software stack can be optimized fully around the fact that it has small caches and certain memory bandwidth and latency. Anything that requires performance needs to be designed in such way that prefetcher will stream correct memory blocks so that it will be on time in cache.
@ Maybe still not worth it changing the whole system. I will need a new mainboard, ram etc. maybe next generation. My last upgrade was from i7 2600k to 5900x after almost 10 years. It is better to upgrade gpu and monitor.
I just converted my 5900X desktop to my new NAS/server and upgraded my main desktop to 9800X3D. It's nice, but I haven't upgraded the GPU yet, that'll be next when the new AMD and NVIDIA GPUs drop.
AMD isn't actually releasing an 8900XTX though - which is what you would need to pair up with the 9800X3D, to not be GPU-limited. And since you mentioned both companies, that implies you don't automatically want to get an insanely priced 5090 - as such... you shouldn't disqualify Intel Battlemage - there are some positive rumours there, implying it will be a big improvement. Intel will probably go head-to-head with AMD in the low and mid -range segment, which I feel is where you will be shopping. I'm keeping my mind open myself actually - if Intel has a better proposition for replacing my RX 6800, I might just get it this time.
@@predabot__6778 battlemage will be disappointing but maybe price can make it a viable product atleast, it 100% should not be a contender for an upgrade over the 8800xt if highend 4090+ isnt your market.
I would like to see the comparison between a 5800x3d and the new 9800x3d, because I am still rocking the 5800x3d and am wondering if the upgrade would be significant.
Yes. But only to X870E mobo. From i5-2500 to 7500F, then drop in Zen 6 16 or 32 cores monster. 9800X3D is kinda neither here nor there on AM5. Zen 6 will be AM5's ultimate!
At 5:20 and 6:10 in your 9800x3d review, there are MASSIVE frametime drops on the 9800x3d. I'm very concerned about that. I believe cache is a bandaid and AMD needs to massively improve IOD/fabric speed for Zen 6 to achieve the much faster bandwidth numbers Intel CPUs are capable of. An X3D chip with Intel bandwidth would be the ultimate CPU.
In what gaming scenarios would you see gains if 99% of games are gpu limited? I have 7800x3d and funds to spare, just wondering if it will make a difference (3440x1440 165hz)
It is more about parts of games. In a single game you can be GPU limited and in the same game you can be CPU limited. CPU reviews look to bench on specifically c CPU limited areas of games. Hardware unboxed has a great video on the 9800x3D in 4k on several games.
It has the same problems as the other two X3D CPUs.... At 4K it will make no difference and the 1 percent lows are still crap because the size of the cache hasn't been increased and the CPU cannot deal with more than 6000-6400mhz ram. I want to see a 16 core X3D CPU with twice the cache, then it'll be a monster! But the problem is vs Intel with faster ram, it just cannot deal with lots of things happening at once as it tries to pull data.
Wish amd would make their GPUs faster. Leaving the high end gaming space with nvidias 2thousand dollar GPU that most of us can't afford. Even if you pick one up, you'd still need a fast GPU to realize the performance difference at 1080p gaming. Well I hope the 4090 comes down in price when the 9800x3d becomes more affordable. These products are fun and exciting to talk about, but most of us aren't even buying them. These are for high end gaming machines.
Nah. A 3700X (about 8-10% slower than the 10850K) still bottlenecks at 4K in most games such as Hogwarts Legacy, Spiderman, Cyberpunk 2077 etc. Even with a 4090. Look at Techpowerup 4K reviews of the 7800X3D (not the latest CPU reviews but they got data from older CPU models). Even the 9800X3D reviews, they also include old CPUs but not as much. There still some bottlenecks at 4K with such CPUs like the 10850K.
Depends on the game and what your fps target is. If you're fine with 60fps, then 10th gen will be fine in most instances except the CPU hit from pathtracing (CP77) If your target is 144fps on a 144hz monitor or heck even 240fps on a 240hz monitor however or above, you need to look in to CPUs that consistently achieves this
It definitely would bottleneck. The 7800x3d can bottleneck a 4090 in 4k. Especially when you’re doing raytracing you need a powerful CPU for a 4090 period.
@@MicaelAzevedo Ah sorry, for your lack of understanding of what i mean, and that is 9700x. Cause you have to laugh at mistake and not try to understand, right? Cause internet.
@@MicaelAzevedo Well i just followed the AMD X3d nomenclature up to this point, but they decided to change, sure my fault. But you still made fun of it instead of thinking.
@@StroggKingu the thing is: regular 9800 does not exists. I will repeat once again as you seem to have a lack of understanding too: Do not make your mistake my mistake.
@ConnorH2111 i did bought 32 oled 240 hz monitor and I'm never doing less i had a 2k isp monitor sold it and got the gigabyte oled. I don't know anyone who would do a 1080p monito🤣r with that set up
The 9800x3D is incredible. However the chip has its limitations. It’s only an 8 core 16 thread CPU. It’s still not great with workstation tasks due to its core count. It still has stutter and dips due to latency. Still has the same memory controller as Zen 4 and the same IO controller. CCD technology is the same as Zen 2. AMD still has inferior motherboards compared to Intel. AMD still has inferior IGPU in workstation tasks compared to Intel. It’s great as a gaming only chip however there is no perfect CPU still unfortunately. 285K is best at workstation tasks. While the 9800X3D is best at gaming.
DF Clips : I feel sorry for John that hasn't owned an AMD cpu since 1999....because that just shows how naturally biased, indoctrinated and oblivious he was to what the competition already had multiple times in the past. This isn't the first time AMD beat Shintel, you do know that right ?!?! Arguably, since the release of the first EPYC server CPU-s back in 2018, AMD is continuously demolishing Shintel on every possible metric in the CPU space. That kind of a lead isn't marginal any more....this lead is substantial and absolutely anybody that is speaking in terms of feelings about their Shintel cpu-s is obliterate to the actuality of how much more advanced and how much more faster is AMD really in reality. AMD is simply superior to Shintel as a CPU developer and manufacturer.
As one AMD fanboy to the other, I will please ask you to tone it down. While 1999 is indeed a bit early to say "I'll never go with AMD again" - there might have been a reason for it. Specific game etc. Personally while to me it would be unthinkable to go with Intel during "Athlon revolution", I probably played very different games compared to the guy in DF that has basically the same name that I do. Also sacrilege: I also owned a PII CPU. 233 MHz. Quite excellent IMO. But since then I always went with AMD, because they were cheaper and often had either better or comparative performance. During the times when it didn't (Bulldozer), my Phenom II X4 940 was enough for me. Barely. I managed to survive on it until Zen+. I would take an issue with calling K6-III (or was it K3 that he said?) a "bulldozer of it's era", because first of all the chip had couple of variants and some of them were really good. Second of all, that gen didn't last like 5 years. Honestly the closest thing to "Bulldozer" was slightly later - it would be P4. And even then I'd have to caveat it with many asterisks. But I would be a bit more respectful towards a person that probably didn't back then built and had the chance to evaluate hundreds of PC's. He was just basing it off his personal experience. Just like I was on mine (And I could never afford a decent Intel CPU. And during Bulldozer era, Intel was only offering basically 4-cores). There is a reason why we all must re-evaluate our experiences from time to time. True for me and true for John. I almost went for 12700K, but my 2700X wasn't yet old enough. And I'm glad I waited. But for him, his experiences might have been more harrowing. Not to mention 12th gen, which he currently has is by no means a bad CPU.
My 10850k is still buttery smooth for 3440x1440 with a 4090. Some games have iffy lows, but the games I actually play run great. Black Ops 6 feels buttery at max settings for me, 150fps give or take.
@@Frogstoney fair, thanks for the response. everyone is reviewing the CPU lately and you can't avoid the videos, same with everything I guess. there will always be something better though
If Sony dropped a 9800x3D in a console, the thing would've ended up costing like $2k. They would have had to redesign everything from the ground up. It would probably need to have the GPU seperate from the CPU, a way more robust cooling solution, etc. oh, and they would have to take into consideration that since they will sell a lot less units due to price, they would have to jack up price even more to try and at least break even on each console sold.
You definitely have no clue what you’re talking about. The 9800x3D could not fit into an APU of a console. That massive size and that cache amount would be impossible to manufacture. Let alone the heat and cost even if it was possible. Consoles never use cutting edge technology.
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I just got a 5700X3D last month to keep my AM4 platform going for a few more years. I'm in no rush to jump on AM5.
you must be young
@@msg360 lol What does that even mean? I'm 45 and been gaming my whole life.
Me neither. I'm running a 5600x on AM4. My setup runs great, and I can still upgrade to a 5700X3D later.
@@jbscotchman time is everything, why wait experience the best now. I used to think I have all the time in the world, we really don't. I went 10 years without upgrading my CPU ... never again, I was in my mid 20s when I did that. couldn't imagine doing that at 45.. I would want the best now and maybe go 4- 5 years without upgrading max.
I’m going to roll with my 7800X3D for a few more years. Hopefully the “11800X3D” will be on AM5 as well… then I can drop that chip into my B650e motherboard.
I still have my b350 and started with 1600x. and ended with 5800x3d still going strong.
doubtful, I think AM6 and DDR6 will probably hit by 2027 or 2028
@@Nintenboy01 Time will tell.
Vote with your wallet. Innovation is expensive.
I have a 5800X3D and it does everything I could want with the performance I want. I'll keep it for a good long while, or until my platform dies 😀
Building my 1st AMD system in 20 years, moving from an i9-13900 with DDR4 ram / 4090 to the 9800 X3D on the Asus Tuf 870 with DDR5 CL30. As I play 90% flight sims i'm hoping for better FR in DCS and other sims in VR.
It’s great but I don’t want to battle supply shortage to upgrade my 7800x3d. I upgraded from a 3900x and a 2070super to the 7800x3d and a 4080super… I’m more than thrilled with my upgrade
Newegg let's you get it on backorder. That is what I did. Placed it on Backorder a few days ago and just yesterday it confirmed and reserved a unit when they got more in and it shipped this morning without any further needed input from me.
@ nice!! I may do that but I keep comming back to the question, is it really worth it over a 7800x3d
@@Frogstoney I would strongly argue, no. 7800x3d is a superb chip and you won't feel the difference in real world use with today's demanding games. I'd wait for the next generation before considering an upgrade. Enjoy what you have and save the coin (maybe for a 50-series....)
@@ChewyLoo that’s what I’m thinking too
Yea you're good to go.
I'm happy with my 5800x3d & 4090 right now. If the 5800x3d is a bottleneck for the 5090 then I'll upgrade.
Went from 7950x3D to the 9800x3D because my CPU died on me. Sacrificed multitasking capabilities for better gaming performance. I’m happy with my purchase.
How long did you have your 7950x3D?
@ almost 2 years now
@@JailBr3ak3r77no warranty? A CPU lasting 2 years is a joke, especially such an expensive one.
I think AMD has a 4 year warranty, you should really get ur 7950x3d RMAed. Its such an expensive chip. Once the RMA completes you can decide to sell it to recoup some of your cost...
@@Fate025 ill see if I can still get it RMA'd. It'll be nice to have it serve as a secondary.
Amazing video, i thoroughly enjoyed it, thank you Digital Foundry.
I grabbed a 7800x3d when it was rock bottom price recently (around when Zen 5 launched and looked disappointing) for my next build. I didnt expect the 9800x3d performance but given that it sounds like Zen 6 will be on the same socket I'll happily sit on my 7800x3d and go for the bigger upgrade again to whatever x3d equivalent on Zen 6.
hopefully i will see major gains in excel 2007 when i get mine
If I can get one tomorrow (Japan release) I will upgrade from my 10850KA. Hopefully pairs well with a 3090.
What is the price for it over there in Japan?
Waiting for my 9800x3d to be delivered - moving from the 5800x3d paired with a 4090… skipped the 7800 as the jump wasn’t worthwhile changing from AM4… but now!!!
MSFS 2024 may see me move again to the 9950x3d if the rumoured double x3D cache is true….
Higher end VR will use whatever power we can give it, which means the 5090 will be in my basket as soon as it’s available too…
Looking forward to the next couple of years when we’ll get near ‘real-life’ quality simming.
9950x3d is what i'm waiting for. waiting for reviews before deciding
I'm currently on 5800X3D, and waiting to see if 9950X3D has VCache on both CCDs or not and will make a decision then.
Now is finally time to upgrade my 10900KF and go AMD, performances are EPIC, price are much lower and even the temperature is another level. The intel every version of i9 kf go up to 100C even with watercool, its not good. It never was
Those temperatures would quite literally have me going into a full-blown panic attack. Lol good luck with the new PC. If I hadn’t just upgraded to the 7800x3d I’d be grabbing this CPU for sure.
That’s false I have a 14900k and it sits at 65C in the most intense work loads.
@@ZackSNetwork. They do all run hot, and produce a lot of heat, but I believe 10 series had issues with the ihs causing difficult to cool, CPUs.
Yeah, they get pretty toasty at full load. In games, they are not that bad at all. My 13900kf can get up to 90c with a custom loop if I do a full core workload. But it chills at 45-60c during most games.
I’m upgrading from 10850KA
I upgraded from 5950X to 9800X3D and it's been superb, amazing jump in performance. I'm very happy about the CPU.
I switched from 7700x to 9800X3D . Definitely see and feel the difference. Very happy with upgrade
Im gonna upgrade as Im still on the 12900kf and although its still decent Im awaiting the 5090 to go all out in the high end.
I’m right there with you regarding the last time I had an AMD processor…haven’t had one since the late 90s. I bought the 9800x3d this past weekend (intel still has the better (but way more expensive) motherboards imho)
I have a 3700x still. It does cause bottlenecks that I've was cool with. The 5700x3D is a cheaper option while I upgrade my 6700xt to whatever comes out next year GPU wise. I'll hold on to that whenever the 9800x3D drops in price in a couple to few years.
The 5700X3D is a great option. The 9800X3D is an overkill for your GPU
@@REDA-SB For sure. I do know its overkill, but I'm talking about upgrading my 6700xt even if I had a 9800x3D at the moment. If the 8800xt or whatever its called is truly competing with the 4070tiS in RT, then I will get it knowing that the 5070 should beat it in RT and maybe even Raster.
If I didn’t get $400 for my 7800x3d, wouldn’t have upgraded, honestly. Insane pricing for these chips.
i’m still on a 5700x so yes i think i will be
Yes we will, especially people like me that waited and waited. I'm jumping from Am4 to Am4 after stretching that platform out for 6 years
John switched from K6 to Intel at the worst time lol
K7/K8 dominated
My 500mhz K6-2 back in the day was so bad in warcraft 3 compared to a 300mhz pentium II that I switched to intel when I got the chance. Still love the socket 7 though. But now it's a different story for AMD and Intel.
Still got my precious 5600x
Definitely needed to reduce bottlenecks on the 5080 and 5090 as much as possible
I’m on a 5600X. I pre-ordered a 9800X3D from a local shop. Not sure when it will arrive. It’ll be overkill for me, but I hope to get 5 years out of it.
Got my 9800X3D on launch day from microcenter, awesome upgrade!!
What motherboard and ram are you using
I was able to sell my 7800x3D the same day i got the 9800x3D. Probably not necessary, but i should be set for even longer than I thought i was going to be.
I went from K6 to Athlon. Those were great cpus. I'd do it again.
well, if you having an intel cpu, keep sticking to it no matter what. Intel needs you!
It sounds like a great CPU but for gaming let's be real you're going to be GPU limited cause you'll be targeting 1440p or 4k. For 1080 though, sure.
Will stick with my 7800x3d and 4090 for the time being. That duo is still far more then enough to tackle anything out now or coming for the foreseeable future
Ya, I'm in the same boat I just upgraded from a 5800X3D earlier this year. Got it in a bundle at microcenter motherboard, 32 Gigs DDR5 and 7800x3D for less then $600. I actually had a chance to pick a 9800X3D up at microcenter this morning, but $500 is a lot of coin to drop on just CPU and the 7800X3D 4090 pair currently can run all the games the way I want them too on my 83" LG G4. Maybe in half a year when it drops to $350, but at that point why not wait for Zen6. I'm also still running an AM4 set up in the office with that 5800X3D and a 4080 Super on an ultrawide and that's still an amazing gaming system.
Same here, I agree with you.
Same here
Playing games with just a 4090 is true suffering. Glad you're willing to stick with it though :P
Yeah you're crazy to upgrade unless you can sell your CPU to recoup money.
Well I am still rocking the 7600X3D which has never given be any issues so far, but the 9800X3D just looks like a beast.
Wish the 5090 would hurry up and release
I HAVE A 5800X3D NOT READY FOR A UPGRADE YET MAYBE IN 4 OR 5 YEARS.
At the very least Wait for the 9950x3d
Yeah I have 5800x3D and 3080ti… but I’m fine with that for a while. I’m mostly sim racing and the odd run around on CoD and still very happy with performance. Can’t let the hype of these vids burn a hole in my pocket 😅
Maybe when the PS6 comes out, you can jump up.
@@B_Machine No don't want a console at this point
@@stevenanderson3205he was referring to the fact that since your cpu is better then what’s in current gen systems, pc games will always have settings for pc’s that are similarly spec’d until the PS6 launches and new games start taking advantage of the new features.
My 5800X is starting to show its age, I want to upgrade but I really want the 8000 series GPUs to come out so I can do them all at the same time
First and last AMD processor was my AMD K6-2 350mhz. It was a monster upgrade to my then Celeron 233mhz but after that I went Intel all the way because for gaming back then clock speed > all.
Nowadays AMD's X3D line looks fantastic and Intel wants you to buy a new motherboard every time.
Amd fr is just so much better now in price, power, performance, etc….
I'm not trying to fight you - but I do remember that in Athlon XP days, generally speaking games had tendency to run better on equally clocked AMD and Intel CPU's. Though benchmarks not necessarily. Of course this might come down to games we played, but AMD even used in in Marketing. My Athlon XP 2200+ was 1.8 GHz. And yes, it was roughly equal in performance to 2.2 GHz Intel Processors. Though again, this might come down to games we played. Last one I managed to play on it was Gothic 3. It was tough ;)
I HAVE BEEN HAPPY WITH MY INTEL13700F PAIRED WITH MY 4080 IT IS WELL BALANCED, BUT IM UPGRADING TO A 5090 WHEN THE TIME COMES.
R5 7600 user here I currently GPU bond in all games ;) Next GPU upgrade in 3-4 years after it maybe new CPU
The 7600 is more than enough for my ultrawide gaming needs, saving myself loads of cash too.
Until 1440p becomes the new CPU testing resolution, I will keep going for the bargain R5 CPU’s.
As a 7600x + 6800xt owner, I'm unsure about the upgrade path in 1 or 2 years...
Looking like an awesome CPU, I still have to check on the power consumption tho
7800x3d/6800xt for me rn and with the 9800x3ds improvement in 1% lows im definitely looking forward to the last am5 x3d processor since like alex said im on a 240hz 1440p oled so it would be more an upgrade to me for software/engine limited games, the games that the 7800x3d has below 60fps 1% 0.1% lows where even the 9800x3d is enticing. But im upgrading gpu before i upgrade cpu, built this machine in 2023 to last many years w upgrades.
It’s hilarious people complain about the price of the ps5 pro and you see the sheer idiocy of these comments and people buying components for the same price with a $2k graphics card
Random questions for anyone here who may help, I'm very very interested in switching over from intel. I've been on i9 as my use-case includes heavy productivity with editing and rendering tasks. But I'd very much like the uplift in gaming performance. The 7950x3d was supposed to be the blend between flagship productivity and gaming performance but it fell short of the 7800x3d in gaming. However, I heard this was due to how the cores with 3d v-cache(?) were used, or not used. So from this I have 3 questions:
1.) I heard there were a couple of "fixes" for the 7950x3d that allowed a massive increase in gaming performance. Do these known fixes bring the 7950x3d on par with the 7800x3d with gaming performance?
2.) Do these known fixes likewise-reduce the productivity uplift?
3.) These issues to my casual-eye seem like simple fixes, is it likely that the 9950x3d may have fixed these problems? A fix that'd see a processor that fully bridges that gap, effectively providing flagship productivity speeds with 9800x3d gaming speeds?
1.) Yes - core-parking, you use software like Process-Lasso but also settings in BIOS. You have to set it up right though - Gamers Nexus mentioned how they made a mistake on that in their 9800X3D -review, which decreased 7950X3D gaming-performance. Fixing their settings made it very close to the 7800X3D.
2. Not to my knowledge - productivity is multi-threaded, and when done right, you shouldn't have cores parked in productivity-apps.
3. They're not super-simple, as I understand it. Side-note: you still lose performance in games when going from CCD to CCD, so even though the performance-loss may not be as high anymore, if the 9950X3D really has double v-cache, you may still get a slight performance-loss because of bouncing in-between CCD's.
@@predabot__6778 thank you so much!
@@predabot__6778 Thank you so much!
@@ijustyap You're welcome. ^^ Sadly I couldn't give specifics, since I haven't looked super-closely into it, but hopefully that gave you a point to start from, when researching it.
I'm currently CPU bottlenecked in Hogwarts Legacy, Baldurs Gate 3 and Horizon Zero Dawn at 4K DLSS on Ultra on my 7950x and RTX 4090 Combo. Yes, Im upgrading.
Are you playing at low?
For both those games you're just screwed. @@Daniel.AJ.R
Why a 7950X, when you're clearly a gamer? Do you need the extra cores for productivity? If you need both, you should wait for the 9950X3D. It'll cost ya', but if you already own a 4090, you shouldn't be averse to cost.
@@predabot__6778 nah dont need the extra cores, was waiting for an X3D CPU to come out with a little more Oomph for games and 9800X3D is the one I want to get
@@predabot__6778 you are correct, which is why im getting the 9800X3D :) thats what i meant by upgrading, sorry If it wasn't clear
My last AMD CPU was K7. Last Radeon was ATI 9700 Pro.
i got one, switched from a 10700k, my experience is so much better
Yes,I will upgrade. I am with i7 8700k 😁
Upgrading from the i9-9900K with a RTX 4090.
Great time to get 7800X3D. 200e cheaper lol.
Zen5 was all about increasing core resources by about 33% without similar improvement in memory access. Thus memory became more off a bottleneck.
Future consoles dealing with that problem, maybe having memory controller on the same die and having 256bit memory bus of fast memory.
L3 cache helps mostly by preventing some access to main memory. GDDR7 has lower latency than gddr6, both are higher than DDR5 because of optimization of bandwidth instead of latency.
On the other hand. Software is going to be optimized to that hardware, and GPU is going to take nearly all the die space and cost and still be the main bottleneck. I wouldn't be surprised, if next gen consoles would either completely get rid of L3 cache or significantly increase it's size. Yes. L2 cache of Zen5 2MB while PS5 L3 cache is 1MB per core, with 4 cores sharing L3 cache.
The console software stack can be optimized fully around the fact that it has small caches and certain memory bandwidth and latency. Anything that requires performance needs to be designed in such way that prefetcher will stream correct memory blocks so that it will be on time in cache.
I am rocking an 8600k and 1080ti (GOAT). It works well, but next year I'm either going 7800X3D or 7600 (with a plan to upgrade to Zen6 4 years later).
5900X user here. I keep my old CPU because I’m playing in 4K and even the 4090 is limiting most of the time.
You will definitely notice a huge bump in your fps if u upgrade tbh
@ Maybe still not worth it changing the whole system. I will need a new mainboard, ram etc. maybe next generation. My last upgrade was from i7 2600k to 5900x after almost 10 years. It is better to upgrade gpu and monitor.
I just converted my 5900X desktop to my new NAS/server and upgraded my main desktop to 9800X3D. It's nice, but I haven't upgraded the GPU yet, that'll be next when the new AMD and NVIDIA GPUs drop.
AMD isn't actually releasing an 8900XTX though - which is what you would need to pair up with the 9800X3D, to not be GPU-limited. And since you mentioned both companies, that implies you don't automatically want to get an insanely priced 5090 - as such... you shouldn't disqualify Intel Battlemage - there are some positive rumours there, implying it will be a big improvement. Intel will probably go head-to-head with AMD in the low and mid -range segment, which I feel is where you will be shopping.
I'm keeping my mind open myself actually - if Intel has a better proposition for replacing my RX 6800, I might just get it this time.
@@predabot__6778 battlemage will be disappointing but maybe price can make it a viable product atleast, it 100% should not be a contender for an upgrade over the 8800xt if highend 4090+ isnt your market.
Yes, you will.
I did xD
Anyone wants to buy a well taken care of 7800X3D for cheap? XD
I would like to see the comparison between a 5800x3d and the new 9800x3d, because I am still rocking the 5800x3d and am wondering if the upgrade would be significant.
People "upgrading" from a 7800X3D is wild
9950x3D will still have the dual ccd latency hit.
Yes. But only to X870E mobo. From i5-2500 to 7500F, then drop in Zen 6 16 or 32 cores monster. 9800X3D is kinda neither here nor there on AM5. Zen 6 will be AM5's ultimate!
I still have faith that intel will bounce back
Upgrading from AM4 X470 to the 9800X3D and X870E...
At 5:20 and 6:10 in your 9800x3d review, there are MASSIVE frametime drops on the 9800x3d. I'm very concerned about that. I believe cache is a bandaid and AMD needs to massively improve IOD/fabric speed for Zen 6 to achieve the much faster bandwidth numbers Intel CPUs are capable of. An X3D chip with Intel bandwidth would be the ultimate CPU.
This CPU is INSANE
So here is my thought if you are already on X3D Chips for gaming don't upgrade until you really need it for your games.
Isn't the 9950x3d In January supposed to a bigger jump over 9800x3d than 9800x3d over 7800x3d is
So glad to have got the 9800X3D and PS5 Pro on the same day! Upgraded from 7950X3D.
Good consumer
Upgraded from 7950X3D smh
Sounds like a great day, congrats!
How many FX 6300 duct taped together?
Good CPU but I'm still GPU bound in 99.5% of my gaming and I have a 4070TI and an old 12700K
Yellow is the new white
In what gaming scenarios would you see gains if 99% of games are gpu limited? I have 7800x3d and funds to spare, just wondering if it will make a difference (3440x1440 165hz)
It is more about parts of games. In a single game you can be GPU limited and in the same game you can be CPU limited. CPU reviews look to bench on specifically c CPU limited areas of games. Hardware unboxed has a great video on the 9800x3D in 4k on several games.
No point upgrading from a 7800x3d. Spend hundreds to get 12 more fps. Just consume product and get excited for next product
At that resolution the difference will be very very little. Look for 4k tests and you will see
I would not upgrade to 9800X3D. The 7800X3D is still a beast and will likely stay at the top for few more generations
Sod all difference for you.
monster hunter wilds beta 9800x3d oc ram oc test
It has the same problems as the other two X3D CPUs.... At 4K it will make no difference and the 1 percent lows are still crap because the size of the cache hasn't been increased and the CPU cannot deal with more than 6000-6400mhz ram. I want to see a 16 core X3D CPU with twice the cache, then it'll be a monster! But the problem is vs Intel with faster ram, it just cannot deal with lots of things happening at once as it tries to pull data.
I still think the Motorola 68K is the best gaming CPU.
Wish amd would make their GPUs faster. Leaving the high end gaming space with nvidias 2thousand dollar GPU that most of us can't afford. Even if you pick one up, you'd still need a fast GPU to realize the performance difference at 1080p gaming. Well I hope the 4090 comes down in price when the 9800x3d becomes more affordable. These products are fun and exciting to talk about, but most of us aren't even buying them. These are for high end gaming machines.
I have post this before. 3D V cache NEEDS to be inside the next-gen consoles!
@@BeautifulKurumi would cost way too much and be heavily GPU limited.
You don't need 3d cache for 30-60 fps 😂
@mojojojo6292 ???? What PC RETARDATION race crap, I read?!😵
@@alsayedfakhri4597 AMD just gave up on making powerful GPUs! It's CPUs and A.I.😕
let me rephrase that, if the next-gen consoles don't come with 3D V cache, i'm skiping the whole generation 🤣
5800x3d to 9800x3d upgrade for 120,next year 140fps gaming y/n?
To me the 0.1% and 1.0% lows could be due to the fact that all 8 cores are locked at 5225Mhz.
What do you mean with this precisely?
4090 on 4k even 10850k might not bottleneck
Nah. A 3700X (about 8-10% slower than the 10850K) still bottlenecks at 4K in most games such as Hogwarts Legacy, Spiderman, Cyberpunk 2077 etc. Even with a 4090. Look at Techpowerup 4K reviews of the 7800X3D (not the latest CPU reviews but they got data from older CPU models). Even the 9800X3D reviews, they also include old CPUs but not as much. There still some bottlenecks at 4K with such CPUs like the 10850K.
Depends on the game and what your fps target is. If you're fine with 60fps, then 10th gen will be fine in most instances except the CPU hit from pathtracing (CP77)
If your target is 144fps on a 144hz monitor or heck even 240fps on a 240hz monitor however or above, you need to look in to CPUs that consistently achieves this
It absolutely would lol
It definitely would bottleneck. The 7800x3d can bottleneck a 4090 in 4k. Especially when you’re doing raytracing you need a powerful CPU for a 4090 period.
@@adi6293Yeah they totally don’t have a 4090. My 14900k can bottleneck my 4090 in certain games in 4K. The 5090 is gonna be worse for my 14900K.
U wanna upgrade, upgrade. U dont? Then don't. Y does it even matter.
Is it as awesome as people think? Isn't it just a regular 9800 with stack of cache, but not choked by it like before?
Regular 9800 does not exists mate 😂
@@MicaelAzevedo Ah sorry, for your lack of understanding of what i mean, and that is 9700x. Cause you have to laugh at mistake and not try to understand, right?
Cause internet.
@@StroggKingu you are aware this is the internet and you should write what you mean right? I simply told you about your mistake. Dont make it mine.
@@MicaelAzevedo Well i just followed the AMD X3d nomenclature up to this point, but they decided to change, sure my fault.
But you still made fun of it instead of thinking.
@@StroggKingu the thing is: regular 9800 does not exists. I will repeat once again as you seem to have a lack of understanding too: Do not make your mistake my mistake.
AMD in my high end rig and Intel in my closet server. How times have changed!
120W tdp + 400 W mid range gpu energy bill going to empty bank account even faster. nah
will DF do any videos showing 4k gaming differences with this cpu vs older cpus?
Shame AMD GPU team don't get a win like the CPU Team .
DO YOU THINK PS6 WILL SHOOT FOR 144 HRZ THIS TIME
my i7 13700k is already bottlenecked fairly often by my rtx 4080 so I don't feel the need to upgrade
I upgraded from a ryzen 5 7600x and a 6800gpu to the 9700xtx and the ryzen 7 9800x3d and has been a night and day difference
Well yeah that's like a 1.5k upgrade 🙄 should of upgraded your 1080p monitor aswell though.
@@ConnorH2111how do you know he's on 1080p?
@ConnorH2111 i did bought 32 oled 240 hz monitor and I'm never doing less i had a 2k isp monitor sold it and got the gigabyte oled. I don't know anyone who would do a 1080p monito🤣r with that set up
U got a 9700xtx already? 😅
Look at this liar 😂
Is this the time for me to let go of 4790K?
pure pwnage
The 9800x3D is incredible. However the chip has its limitations. It’s only an 8 core 16 thread CPU. It’s still not great with workstation tasks due to its core count. It still has stutter and dips due to latency. Still has the same memory controller as Zen 4 and the same IO controller. CCD technology is the same as Zen 2. AMD still has inferior motherboards compared to Intel. AMD still has inferior IGPU in workstation tasks compared to Intel. It’s great as a gaming only chip however there is no perfect CPU still unfortunately. 285K is best at workstation tasks. While the 9800X3D is best at gaming.
Nope not brought stock so prices are way to high for a cpu
DF Clips : I feel sorry for John that hasn't owned an AMD cpu since 1999....because that just shows how naturally biased, indoctrinated and oblivious he was to what the competition already had multiple times in the past. This isn't the first time AMD beat Shintel, you do know that right ?!?! Arguably, since the release of the first EPYC server CPU-s back in 2018, AMD is continuously demolishing Shintel on every possible metric in the CPU space. That kind of a lead isn't marginal any more....this lead is substantial and absolutely anybody that is speaking in terms of feelings about their Shintel cpu-s is obliterate to the actuality of how much more advanced and how much more faster is AMD really in reality.
AMD is simply superior to Shintel as a CPU developer and manufacturer.
As one AMD fanboy to the other, I will please ask you to tone it down. While 1999 is indeed a bit early to say "I'll never go with AMD again" - there might have been a reason for it. Specific game etc. Personally while to me it would be unthinkable to go with Intel during "Athlon revolution", I probably played very different games compared to the guy in DF that has basically the same name that I do.
Also sacrilege: I also owned a PII CPU. 233 MHz. Quite excellent IMO. But since then I always went with AMD, because they were cheaper and often had either better or comparative performance. During the times when it didn't (Bulldozer), my Phenom II X4 940 was enough for me. Barely. I managed to survive on it until Zen+.
I would take an issue with calling K6-III (or was it K3 that he said?) a "bulldozer of it's era", because first of all the chip had couple of variants and some of them were really good. Second of all, that gen didn't last like 5 years. Honestly the closest thing to "Bulldozer" was slightly later - it would be P4. And even then I'd have to caveat it with many asterisks. But I would be a bit more respectful towards a person that probably didn't back then built and had the chance to evaluate hundreds of PC's. He was just basing it off his personal experience. Just like I was on mine (And I could never afford a decent Intel CPU. And during Bulldozer era, Intel was only offering basically 4-cores).
There is a reason why we all must re-evaluate our experiences from time to time. True for me and true for John. I almost went for 12700K, but my 2700X wasn't yet old enough. And I'm glad I waited. But for him, his experiences might have been more harrowing. Not to mention 12th gen, which he currently has is by no means a bad CPU.
Grow up. AMD is great but you sound like one of those console war kids
@@seydaneen8970 Yup
@@seydaneen8970 ohhh buttercup :), projecting your own past onto me just because you don't like the truth, is very immature of you, boy :)
Who gives a $@#! It's sold out everywhere.
Its only incredible if you are on a older cpu
Agreed. My 7800x3d more then meets the demands of todays and the future titles
I see no reason to upgrade my 7800x3d, a 10% performance boost isn't worth the hassle, or the money they're asking.
My 10850k is still buttery smooth for 3440x1440 with a 4090. Some games have iffy lows, but the games I actually play run great. Black Ops 6 feels buttery at max settings for me, 150fps give or take.
"categorically downvoted for stupid face thumbnail"
Maxc mini
Still on AM4. Not sure when I will switch to AM5 but at the moment I don't see the point. My loss I guess.
Meh not really. if it does what you what it to do and your happy with it, no loss at all. Don’t let folks make you feel bad about your hardware
@@Frogstoney fair, thanks for the response. everyone is reviewing the CPU lately and you can't avoid the videos, same with everything I guess. there will always be something better though
@@JohnDavidSullivanfrom what I heard 2026 and 2027 CPUs from AMD will still support AM5
It's funny how people include their faces in thumbnails with weird reactions to catch attention. 😂
Intel = PWNT
First
9800x3D should've been on PS4 PRO. I will gladly pay for $600 to $650 for it. Come on SONY. Get your sh!t together!!!!!
joke or delusional?
LMAO whatt
If Sony dropped a 9800x3D in a console, the thing would've ended up costing like $2k. They would have had to redesign everything from the ground up. It would probably need to have the GPU seperate from the CPU, a way more robust cooling solution, etc. oh, and they would have to take into consideration that since they will sell a lot less units due to price, they would have to jack up price even more to try and at least break even on each console sold.
You definitely have no clue what you’re talking about. The 9800x3D could not fit into an APU of a console. That massive size and that cache amount would be impossible to manufacture. Let alone the heat and cost even if it was possible. Consoles never use cutting edge technology.
That’s not how development timelines work. Plus compatibility needs be on the same architecture in said timeframe