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I go over the incredible Incra Mast-R-Lift II and the Incra Clean Sweep Dust Collection System. These will turn your router table into a precision tool and offers best in class dust collection. A must have if you depend on your router table like I do for every project.
For more information on these items and Incra's full line of shop accessories and tools, please visit:
www.incra.com.
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Great video. Information rich, well thought out, and compellingly presented.
Very nice video and explanation of how these products work. Definitely on my to get list! Thanks Guy!
Hey Donny! Thanks for watching buddy!
Wow, I'm impressed! I will take a look at the entire Incra system for doing routing work. The plate adj. feature is a major improvement over the actual Jessem lift as offered from them & the inserts are super user friendly on this setup. Somebody had their thinking cap on for a change!
Bill on the Hill,
Vermont... :~)
I have the same setup and it works fantastically just as Guy described.
Guy, Thank you! I have been on the fence about purchasing a new lift and table and this demo just convinced me to go ahead with the Incra. The Jessem built lift, mag rings, and downdraft box all make perfect sense. Again, thanks!
Thanks for watching Scott!
Hey Guy! Thanks for this video. I have an Incra "plate" and I did not like leveling the insert. I'm been looking at the Jessem rout-r-lift with the red inserts that do not need adjusting. But after seeing the clean sweep inserts, I'm sold!! I have cleaning up the mess from dados.
Thanks Guy for all your videos, they are very informative, I just picked up my TS LS joinery system yesterday and I purchased the clean sweep and the Master Lift II. And a.new Porter Cable 3.5 HP router motor. I am excited to get to making precise cuts and joinery.
I would to see more videos using this system.
I feel like I have an extremely well designed and precision tool in my quest to make Saw dust.
And yes I am drinking the Incra Cool Aid and it is very good.
I have that system on order. Have you made a cabinet under the router table? I was wondering how to do that considering it's not a stand alone router table set up. Also do you have the router table on the left or right of the table saw bkade?
I'm not sure how I missed this video....... That lift is sweet. I am really considering upgrading and getting that. Awesome video Guy!
I don't know how you did either. HaHa. It's a great piece of equipment.
I've been seriously considering this exact setup. thanks for doing the review. I'll definitely be going this route now.
Thanks Matthew! I've had this lift for about 3 years, and it is awesome.
That is one nice system. Excellent demonstration, Guy.
Thanks Steve!
Your video helps me a lot before my purchasing the product!
Thanks!
You'll love it when you get it!
I'm sold. Those Incra products look awesome.
Hey Tom! Thanks buddy!
As always, excellent presentation, Guy!
Thanks Huy!
Guy, thanks for this video! I’ve stumbled around trying to figure out what router Lift to buy for sometime now. Your video helps! The only difference I can see between the Incra Lift and the JessEm Lift is the Magna-Lock slotted insert rings for improved dust collection. Like you, I’m more interested in controlling the the mess, especially for cutting blind dados and box joints. Thanks to you, I’ll be ordering the Lift today. Keep up the good work!!!
There are a few more differences. The Jessem also has four bolt holes in the corners for fastening the lift to at least the Jessem Mast-R-Top table. From the top's manual: "...the Mast-R-Plate, Mast-R-Lift, or Rout-R-Lift FX can be secured by inserting a bolt through the top of the plate or lift then screwing the bolt into the corresponding corner hole in the table opening... This will secure the lift or plate from moving during operation."
Instead, the Incra lift has a cam lock screw in the rear left corner to keep the lift from moving (roughly where one of the bolt holes is in the Jessem).
Also, I've read the leveling screw holes aren't in exactly the same locations, which raises an issue when installing a Jessem lift in an Incra table. As best I can tell, according to bliss-junkie at www.routerforums.com/table-mounted-routing/31021-mast-r-lift-ii-incra-router-table.html, the holes in the Jessem lift don't provide access to the Incra table's built-in plate leveling screws. I'm sure it had to be that way, too...yeah...
Great video! I love mine and thanks for the great table plans.
Cool! Thanks for watching and the support Jeff!
I was torn about getting a router lift for my Bosch 1617 but I've been having problems with the hex wrench above table height adjustment feature of the Bosch fixed base. Seeing this video confirmed it....I'm buying the Incra tomorrow 👍🏻 Thanks for posting the video!
HaHa. You'll love it!
Thanks for the demonstration, great table and jig.
Thanks Thomas!
Excellent presentation. Thank you.
Very useful video !Magnetic alignment plates really liked !
Thanks!
man that's a sweet setup! evrything is spot on!good stuff guy!
Thanks Joe!
GuysWoodshop always brother! And If u ever need a 2nd opinion u can send w.e. it is my way. Haha! ;)
Excellent explanations and demonstrations!
Thanks Mac!
Great video. Quite on time for me as I am in the market!
Cool! If you decide on the Incra, I know you'll love it.
I dropped the same setup into my Sawstop extension table. It works like a dream.
It is a sweet setup. Thanks for watching!
Guy - you are continuously making me a believer in Incra ha ha -
You’re making really cool videos. I don’t really care if you’re paid by Indra or not. If you’re not you probably should be as no one else online is showing off what the Incra products can do. Not in high res anyway. I’m considering an Incra router setup for my next small shop tool but was worried it was all too complicated. You are really helping me see that it’s not too too complicated. Looking forward to more videos in more depth on Incra products. Thanks.
Thanks Mark! Once you know the process and can wrap your head around it, it's easy.
Thanks for all the good ideas to, shall we say, adapt and employ here at the Pinchpenny Scatter.
A very well done product demo. As some of the other commenters have noted, it's definitely time to get out the credit card. : D
HaHa. It is a great system and it works really well.
That is a jam packed feature rich system! I sometimes wonder if we woodworkers get a little carried away with sawdust and chip collection. I recently watched a series on YT of Sam Maloof building a rocker. No dust mask or dust collection and the chips and sawdust were flying (router and table saw)
Thanks Brian, and yes, it is a good system. I agree that we can be a little anal at times about dust collection. For me, I just really want to keep my shop as clean as possible. 1. I hate cleaning up 2. I have to move everything over to one side every night so my wife can park in the garage. the less I have to clean up the better :)
Cars live outside! Heard that somewhere...
Thanks Guy - great information
Thanks Lynn!
Nice video Guy. I have the Jessem and I haven't installed it yet, I am waiting on building a table for it. I've had the thing for almost a year now. That is a shame I am not using it!
Thanks Chuck! It's a great lift.
Great video. But I have to ask where you got those push blocks? Love the knuckle guards. Thanks!
Nice review Guy. I see you went digital :). I was very impressed at the dust collection in the trenching cut. Steve
HaHa. Thanks Steve. I actually use a digital caliper and the height gauge I show in the video quite a bit. I love the precision of working with them.
I think it's great to be paid by a tool company and use that so we can view the content for free. I really like your Chanel. I see people calling this a "review" though and I don't think that's what it is? If I am wrong I'll be happy to be corrected but if it is a paid endorsement I think you should say so. Just my thoughts and I hope the sponsorship and endorsements keep rolling in as your information and workmanship is fantastic.
Thanks Leroy. And no, it's not a review. It is however a video made for Incra that they own to use as they see fit, so I can't really say anything about a paid endorsement. That being said, I have owned most of the Incra products I have in my shop well before they were a sponsor, and have been using their products for almost 20 years now. I would not be "endorsing" their product if I truly didn't believe in it.
Where can I buy the inserts with cutouts at for this products
what diameter cutter will the incra router plate accept
Isn't the dust collector working against the router's internal fan which is intended to keep the router cool and clean inside?
I just bought the Master-R Lift, the Ls super system - 17" and the table top - 24"x 36". I forgot to get the on/off switch and now the Clean Sweep. ( I'll make the cabinet). I might need to sleep in the garage for a few months
It's a great system. You'll love it!
I see your Festool CT sitting there and expect that's not what you're using as a dust collector? I have a table saw, 14" band saw, miter saw, router table, and a planer. That leaves enough floor space left for a shop vac and I'm not sure what the options are for effective dust collection in a small space. Thinking of a Festool CT, with the understanding that it won't be as effective with the 4 inch discharges on the Incra router table, band saw, and table saw. Ideas?
Did you have the DC on when you first ran the dado?
I've already got the Incra lift with regular rings ... would have been nice to see how it performs with dust collection underneath vs the Clean Sweep ring to see why I should spend more money for the Clean Sweep rings.
Great idea!
Great video. Makes me wish I bought the Incra version instead. Jessem really made many improvements for them. In particular I like the cam lock for the insert plate and the ability to zero the dial indicator. The magnetic leveling plates are also really nice.
When you did the dust collection demo with and without the special plates, did you have the vacuum running underneath the router table when you ran the wood over the plate without the additional holes?
Thanks Marty. Have you tried to break free the the dial? It should be the same os the Incra. It is just an o ring that holds it in place. Try a drop of oil and see if that helps. And yes, the DC was on for the first pass. Those rings really make a huge difference with a cut like this. The dust shooting forward is going right into the front "vent" of the Clean Sweep ring. It is dramatic how much they help.
Thanks Guy. I'll spend some time trying to break the dial free. It would certainly be handy to calibrate it. You've got the good setup. Unfortunately I'll be 'making do' with mine since it would be an expensive proposition to upgrade. There's always something new around the corner :-)
The router is effectively closed inside a box full of dust. All traditional hand held routers draw air in through the top and out through the base. Mostly.
I would like to know just what percentage of dust passes through the router windings.
My Festool OF2200 expels the air through the sides, leaving the dust extraction unhindered inside the shroud in the base
Guy: Super videos! I am now a subscriber! When you were putting together the whole shebang, did you order a "package" from Incra? IE, I see on several online retailers' websites that you can purchase individual components such as the table frame (I am assuming you used the 43" model), table top, fences, etc., versus getting everything together?
Thanks John! They do have packages. I bought mine a piece at a time though.
Use for motor diametter 80mm?
Hello Guy. Great video and very helpful. I've heard some people complain that when the enclose the router in a homemade box like the Clean Sweep or another brand the have router overheating issues. But they didn't have a router ring like the magnetic Incra ring inserts. Have you had any overheating issues?
Also, its to bad Jessem doesn't have a program to retrofit router plates to fit their magnetic clean sweep rings. I would send my Jessem Masterlift back to them in a heartbeat for that. Thanks again for the video's. I always learn something.
Ron
Hey Ron. I had a shop made box on my last router table also for years. I have never had any issues with the router overheating. I don't think it has anything to do with the rings on top. If you have good dust collection hooked up to it, air will will be drawn in and across the router to help keep it cool.
Guy, how do you split the percentage of vacuum between the fence port and the bottom cabinet. Do you regulate with blast gates? Does your router overheat? I've been considering this for a while, but my lift is Jessem so I'll need to modify the ring inserts that I have. Thanks for the video.
Hey Dale,. I don't regulate it at all. There is just a wye going from a 4" to a 4" and 2 1/2" port
I really like the digital readout depth/height gauge you used. Who makes this? And where can I get one?
Hey Steve. I think it is made by Wixey, and I think I bought it at Woodcraft
I'm sure this lift will work with far more routers than Incra list.
Great video and I learned a couple of things about my Incra set up, which is identical, I didn't know. I do have one question about your Jessem Guides set up on your Incra table saw in the background. I also have that setup but after mounting my plate on the blocks from Incra I find the plate is proud of the Incra fence so with tall stock the stock registers on the mounting plate rather than the fence. Sorry to hijack but wondered if you have that problem? Bill
Hey Bill. No, I don't have that issue. Mine sits behind the edge of the fence enough so it doesn't get in the way of anything. I would definitely check the instructions and the installation again.
Thanks Guy. I did a complete reinstall and made sure the T Nuts were to the right in the Incra channel as far as possible which helped just a little but it was still proud of the fence. Have a email and pictures to Mark at Incra. Thanks again for the video, I picked up 3 important tips that will help a lot in my new routing adventures.
Fantastic presentation as always Guy. And I know you need to make money, nothing wrong with that. But make something already! ;-)
HaHa. I make stuff all the time! Doing these videos for Incra really helps me out and makes sure I stay in the shop and not at a "regular" job.
Excellent information Guy...
I'm planning on purchasing the Incra router table combos, you're setup looks ideal, what size table / cabinet do you have.
Regards,
Joe
Not quite sure of the measuements. It's their largest one. You can look all that upon Incra.com
Excellent video, so thanks! Question for you - how are you able to zero out your dial? I have the same lift, and my dial indicator does not zero out like that. It's fixed. If I try to zero it out, even with my fingers just like you did, it turns the entire adjuster.
lt will move. It is just kinda stuck. I have heard of this before, just can't remeber whqt the fix is. Try Incra support. Mark should be ale to give you a more solid answer.
@@GuysShop Excellent. Thanks for the quick answer. You guys rock!
@@GuysShop Great advice. I spoke with Mark, who was able to help. The trick is to lock the lift, then use a good amount of force to move it the first few times. If that doesn't work, can use something very thin to pry it up. There's an o-ring under there that's a tight fit, so until it wears in a bit, it will be tough to move. Thanks again for the great contact.
@@briencrotty2322 Awesome!
What a great setup! I love using my router but, MAN, does it ever create a dust mess.
Thanks! Yeah, this thing rocks!
I need a setup like that. btw I subbed. I hope I can earn yours too. :)
Guys I'm looking for a full incra system as shown on this video problem is I'm in uk on 240v power and Incra doesn't support any of our routers available in uk. All suggestions welcomed
Fine Tools in Germany sells this Incra lift in a metric version and it will take an AEG MF 1400 KE
which is the same size as the Rigid R29302. Here is the link for the Incra lift on Fine Tools ( in English ).
www.fine-tools.com/oberfraesenlift.html
I buy a lot of American, Canadian and Japanese tools from them.
They are very honest and have a good reputation.
I bought the Jessem TA fence from them and I will get the Incra lift next month.
And eventually the Incra Clean Sweep System.
I still haven't decided what kind of table top to get.
Hope this helps you out.
Incra told me to add a shut off to the dust collection on the wonder fence and said don't use the collection from both the fence and from below the clean sweep 4" vent below. My question is do ever use both vents or do you use the fence ventilation for edge work and then shut that off when you to the cut you made in the video using the clean sweep vent only?
I just leave both vents on, much easier. Never had a problem with dust and works great.
@@GuysShop i have a 5hp shop vac.
Great video. I have the setup they are great to save your lungs. Dust are no problem. People get this setup you won’t regret it.
I noticed you have a bracket of some sort on the outside of the router table, holding accessories. Is it mounted on the aluminum legs? Is it shop made? I’d appreciate any details about this accessory holder you can share. I’ve been building your router cabinet with a few modifications. The drawers are next. Thanks for the 2-part video! - Don 12/18/20
You may be talking about the aluminumholders for my miter guage. Yes, they are shop made and simply screwed to the front of the cabinet
Excellent product but for the same money, and I think it would be the same, once you've invested in all the stuff to make this a nice workstation, it would make so much more sense to buy a 3hp or 5hp tilting spindle grizzly shaper. The cost is going to be right at the same and you get so much more with that shaper. That's one of my next purchases..
You are correct about the $'s being close. However for a hobbyist like me, having the Incra fence on this table and the lift makes a lot of sense also. I have looked at shapers, and might get one someday if I can find a good deal on craigslist. However they are few and far between.
I have both this lift and a shaper. One will find distinct uses for both.
I have two Delta 3 horse shapers and still use a router table on a regular basis
What adaptors did you use to go from the Festool vacuum to the imperial size fittings?
Not quite sure what you mean. This is hooked up to my dust colletor with a 4" hose.
@@GuysShop Sorry. I thought I saw a Festool vac attached.
Nice video!
I like this router lift!
But unfortunately the German routers do not fit into this lift 🙁
Thanks Christian! There has to be some router motors available in Germany that fit into this lift. Have you looked at the list of routers that will fit it?
This is late, but it might be some help. Look for the AUKTools V3 router from woodworkersworkshop.co.uk. This is a 230V 50Hz 2.4HP variable speed router that fits perfectly in the Incra Mast-R-Lift II using the standard 1A block setting.
Estando la fresadora hacia arriba no cabe la posibilidad de que se le meta aserrín o virutas dentro del colector del motor y se pueda quemar o es que la fresadora es especial preparada para poder utilizarla en el sentido inverso es decir hacia arriba
No he tenido problemas con el enrutador montado de esta manera
it's certainly an impressing tool, but (and i'm not trying to troll here!) is this amount of precision really necessary if you work with wood? I mean, considering the amount wood grows and shrinks under environmental conditions, do you really need .001 precision? it seems kinda overkill and more akin to the world of metal working, cnc machining etc. The aspect of repeatability i do get, though.
Yes, some of wood moves more than others, but so does metal. Accuracy in joinery is always a priority. 3 thousandths is the difference between a tight joint and a not-so-tight joint, especially in dense woods
Any recommendations for a router for the table?
I've had this PC 3 1/4 HP forabout 6 years now, and it still going strong
@@GuysShop Thanks. I also have one of those (in my other table). Unfortunately, PC announced September last year that it was stopping producing of its routers. Any thoughts if PC is no longer available? What would you buy?
@@mark3476745837not sure. I wojuld have to research that to recommend a different router
GuysIncrashop! :D .. just kidding. Incra make awesome products. I f I could afford them, I'd be the same :)
Thanks!
Incra's website seems to be dead. Did they go out of business?
I don't think so. Try www.incrementaltools.com/
"Incra's Woodshop"
HaHa.
Dammit. *Gets out credit card*
HaHa. If you do get it, you'll love it!
I like the system, but I use a cast iron router table because I know it's flat. I don't know why anyone uses MDF like this- it's absurd.
You’re absurd Poopy McPoopy Pants!
that is NOT the way to mount a bit - please make SURE you secure the bit as LOW AS POSSIBLE into the collet ... CRITICAL not only for your safety but for a cleaner cut too
The folks at Jessem disagree according to these bullets from the ROUTER SAFETY PRECAUTIONS section of the Jessem Mast-R-Lift II manual:
•Be sure that at least 3/4 of the shank length is inserted securely in the router collet.
•Never bottom out the bit in the collet. Allow 1/8”clearance between shank and bottom of collet.
It's news to me and probably lots of folks.
@@rbrown2925 The reason you never bottom a bit out is that it could cause the collet to grip only at the bottom and not along the full shank length, if it does the bit can fly out in use. By having a gap you ensure the collet grips evenly and well along the whole shank contact area.
Holy shit it must be nice to be rich
You have to be rich to afford a $350 router lift???
I don't know about rich, but you have to be richer than me, I have only $735/month coming in on a disability check. I can't wait until I'm done with college and can get back into the workforce. Teaching may not pay what its worth, but it is 5 times what I'm getting now. Sometimes being a disabled veteran really sucks. Of course I'd have to get the router motor and table before I could even use these upgrades, so way more than $350, especially with the dust collection system too. I have a twelve year old Home Depot wet/dry vac. But we can still dream.
I have been called many things, however rich is not one of them. For a serious hobbyist like me, a setup like this makes sense since I use it as much as my table saw. Thanks for watching!
Just saying, there are folks out here where that price, though it may be meager for many, puts the product out of reach in our current situation. At my income I would be homeless if my house and vehicle weren't paid off. Utilities, food and monthly living expences often outweigh the income. I have lost so many tools to pawn shops just to get by that it is really sad to think about. Fortunately, most of those were really not needed since I don't (can't) do that kind of work anymore do to the disability. I was not saying you were rich, just that rich is a relative term. There are always people out there who are at a level much worse than youself or even myself. At least I have a roof and food. (even if only one meal per day, I eat every day)
God bless and thank you for fueling my dreams with this review.
I'm not rich, I just don't do things like smoke, drink beer, buy lotto tickets, etc.. ;)