Thank you for making this video. You just saved me several hundred dollars. I purchased my SS without the fence systems because I already had the Incra system. After speaking with SS Tech Support, they told me that the SS rails were required, but I could not see how to install the Incra with the SS rails. After your video, I ordered additional Incra mounting brackets and the 10 in cast iron spacer between the wings and the router table. Once again, well done with this informative video and thank you!
Thanks for the video. I enjoyed it! I had many problems with installation particularly getting the fence to slide smoothly. I contacted Incra and they said that the spacing between the rails and the surface of the saw was critical and they suggested instead of using the brackets, clamp a level across the saw and use a spacer between the rail and level to get the spacing exactly the same right around the saw. This worked perfectly and I can now move the fence with one finger. Also I used the existing Sawstop legs and they were easy to attach just sliding a bolt in the rail and finally using a tight fitting runner in the miter slot made it dead easy to align the fence with the slot by making sure the fence was in complete contact with the runner. I now absolutely love it!! Repeatable, accurate and fun to use.
@@bentswoodworking I forgot to say my other problem was the micro adjusting. It wasn't responsive enough. I used a dial indicator to check it and I'd move the red knob one click and no change on the dial indicator. I had to move it a few clicks before it changed but when I went in the opposite direction , no change at all. I contacted Mark at Incra again (his service is brilliant btw) and he sent me a video on how to adjust that knob. There is a hex bolt on the very end of the arm. Adjusting that to be slightly more snug gave exactly the results I was looking for. One click forward gave 0.05mm (metric version or a thou imperial version) and one click back also gave 0.05mm. I hope this helps someone
I have owned the Incra extended fence, just like yours, for 5 years. It’s attached to my Inca 2200 Cabinet Saw (Incra on an Inca) and it is as sweet a setup as can be, but the installation was a nightmare. The original Swiss Inca fence, did not attach to the front of the table but underneath the front and rear edges, so I had to drill and tap the mounting holes which were complicated by the fact that the edges of this cast iron table were somewhat rounded, which meant that I had to shim the top and bottom so that the mounting brackets would sit square. It took me 3 days to install the Incra fence, partly because of all the rest breaks I had to take since I am in my seventies. But, am still glad I got this great fence. Thanks for your detailed video.
I installed my Incra fence on a SawStop over a year ago and ran into all kinds of trouble. Unlike you, I didn't catch the issue with the provided hardware not being capatible with the SawStop and ended up stripping the machined holes. I spoke with Incra as I was super upset over it. They provided some solutions for me which I was not 100% happy with but I needed some kind of solutions. Thanks for posting and the insight, I recently moved and going to redo the install and use some of your pointers.
Incra sys rail setup I have for yrs LOVE IT THE BEST made my table saw some much better works great EVERYTIME and the same EVERYTIME can't be bet . Wow cost a lot but wish I it in the being . Eveyone needs one belive you will not be disappointed.
I’ve got the same setup and randomly searched incra fence install and this popped up. I’m re-installing tomorrow. You need extra brackets for the extension table. The sawstop fence helps the wings from bowing so you may need to shim your wings. It’s a great fence but my first time setting it up took almost a week of calibration here and there and waiting for the brackets
I love my incra fence. It has been part of my shop for close to 15 years now. It is the one thing in my shop I have never regretted buying. One tip for folks. I bought the 52" version, but don't have room in my shop for the extra rails. The folks up at Incra gave me an awesome tip. I have two settings/stops. When I need to cut things over about 30" or use the Wonderfence, I loosen the two front screws and move it to the furthest stop. Using one of the secondary scales, you have your new mark. I keep board cut at exactly 20" around to ensure my secondary measurement is accurate. It still sticks out on the right, but it's way more manageable.
I have had a TSLS fence on my Ridged saw for over 25 years and I love it. I have been thinking about getting a Saw Stop saw but wasn't sure about the fence. Thanks for the information.
Great info because I do have the Incra fence system with my Ridgid table saw but, I’m now looking into purchasing the Saw Stop and didn’t want to get rid of my Incra fence… glad I came across your video.
I installed this very system on my home made saw made from 4080 aluminium extrusion. My god it was so easy. Under 1 hour from start to test cut. Such a joy to use.
I've had my Sawstop and Incra fence for about 5 years now and love them both. I ordered saw and Incra about the same time period. I ordered Industrial, because I knew that I would not need the rails, fence etc (at that point in time it was possible to just order the saw, without the rails etc., this option was only available on the industrial model). My rails are 8 or 9" to the right of the blade and I did a shop-built extension table. My Jensen feed rollers, allow me use the T-slot on the side of the fence. I use then also on my Powermatic shaper and the Incra fence on my router table. I share this information; in case you are just starting to go with the Sawstop and Incra combination. I tend to be detailed ordinated and love the micro adjustment on the fence, it lets me dial the fit perfectly. If you are the type of woodworker, who thinks "close enough" is good, then you might not appreciate the Incra Fence system.
I'm going to be ordering the 52-inch TSLS 4 for my SawStop contractor saw. Thanks for the installation video and the helpful tips on the additional hardware parts that are needed.
I've had this set up on a Bosch jobsite table saw for some time now. I will be transferring my fence to my Sawstop when I get it at Christmas. One thing you can do (that has no bearing on any saw that it's installed to) is replace the rear support bracket screw with a knob. I use a Rockler 4 star knob. I forget if its 1/4 or 5/16 bolt, but at least you wouldn't have to use the included ball end hex driver anymore to tighten that down.. Just a friendly tip
This video along with the initial install video you made convinced me to purchase the Incra TSLS system. I have been using it for several weeks or so and in the process of building a 5 drawer pantry for my kitchen. The Incra Fence system has made my life so much easier. The amazing thing is that this system has been for sale for way over 14 years now and I just discovered it!
You sure do like your tools. I'll watch some of your videos just to see what new gadgets you've purchased. 🙂If your wife likes to cook as much as you enjoy your workshop, I'd love to see her array of kitchen equipment. Your tips are always informative and appreciated, and I thank you for sharing them.
Thank you so much for this! Love your shop, your style, and all off the information 😅 I’m just getting started and trying to invest in the good stuff to save money in the long run 👌🏼 🙏🏻
I have the TS LS wonder fence combo and it is on a Ridged 4512 Table saw! Yes the fence is better than the saw! At least more expensive! And this fence works very well for me. I had no issues setting the incra system up on this saw. And I will say as a former installer of CNC metal machining centers. I am pretty persnickety about tolerance! I use dial indicators to align my blade to the miter slots but not with a saw blade a calibrated arbor plate. After that I align the fence parallel to the calibrated plate. I can cut 4 quarter walnut on this saw at 4 and 1/32 inches at 8 foot and that is what I get all long the board.. it is all about proper calibration. As for Customer Service! Neil is who I worked with on one issue, and resolved it short order! 😁🛫
I just bought my PCS 3 hp and bought the incra fence . A lot of people talking about the incra brackets not helping in supporting the cast iron wings . I definitely agree , so I used the original SS front rail support and fabricated a new rear rail support. Everything came out perfect.
Just FYI, i ordered this fence setup after seeing the original video and it was 5-6 month wait list.. just got the call today that my fence is in already!!
Thanks for the Video Jase. I went through the same process about a month ago now and am on the same point as to how to attach the outfeed table and overhead dust collection. Looking forward to what you come up with. The extra brackets sound like the go. Cheers mate.
Please do make a video on how you connected the outfeed table to the rails.. I would very much be interested in on how you did that.. I was thinking Incra's brackets would be involved as well
Hi Jason, another great no- nonsense video. Well presented and very informative! Like your style….! Looking forward to seeing some more….INCRA router plate with fixed motor would be a good one for me! Len (Devon 🇬🇧)
I thought about this years ago, adding the incra fence to the table saw, but I have since added the Harvey router table & fence to the right side of the table saw. It be sweet if I could figure out having them both. But I am not too crazy about having the router table on the left side of the saw. Really enjoy watching your videos & following along with your shop!
WOW.. Cant believe it. I placed my order with Carbide Processors for an INCRA TS-LS WF XL Fence just after your first video on the Incra dropped. Here it is 5 weeks later and UPS is dropping off my fence system today. Anyone want to buy a 52" ICS fence system? lol
I bought an incra fence over 2 years ago and it's sat in the boxes unused. But I am now finally moved into my shop and ready to get it installed. I'd love to see more content on the Incra, especially the router wonder fence.
you are one of the biggest reason that I spend my money on tools :) Now I want this Fence for my sawstop and I want to know, other than the 4 extra brackets and spacers for the Jessem - Anything else needed? I'm getting the incra legs.. You also talked about M8 bolts - would you mind listing that please.
Sometimes I think even a slightly complicated install is like a litmus test. If you're not mechanically inclined and can't put it together, you ought not be using it. But I think there's enough SawStops that Incra could create a "Sawstop pack" for easier installation.
Didn't buy the Incra fence, and don't have any plans to, but love to watch your video's, and watched it the entire way through. You do an excellent job putting these together and made putting this together a joy to watch.
Watched both your videos on the Incra fence. Seems like an excellent design for accuracy and repeat ability....but. 1) You can't position the fence on the other side of the blade and 2) like you say, it sticks out to the right a long way, and 3). You can't use your favorite style of fence..ie Bessimer style or your jigs that saddle the fence. All this could be solved if they mounted the screw and adjusting clamp along the front of the saw with a T-style fence, ( Mounting the the screw in a fixed position and making the clamp slide) I'm tempted to buy one and modify it to mount like that. I see their point of mounting the sliding arm just opposite of the blade for best accuracy, but you give up a lot for a negligible difference.
9:20... wow, they really don't want that rail moving! Great video and tips on the process. Its a shame Jessem's adapter does not set the guides back further so they fold fully out of the way... another 3/4 to 1" of offset would probably do the trick. I love my stock guides... best upgrade to my saw. IMHO... Nice fence system, but too clumsy and consumes way too much space for my taste/use. I created a custom micro-adjuster for my Delta 36-T30 fence and use additional stop blocks, all easily moved & removed (when desired) to greatly improve my cuts.... both dialing it in and setup for repeat cuts.
Evaluating and thanks for the video, great work as I have a 10" SS PCS. I tend to clutter my unused portion of my tabletop. With the LSTS, there is now the carriage in the way. If I push the fence and carriage all the way to the right, then the carriage will protrude some 40" past the end of the extension fence. Has this been an issue for you or perhaps you use yours enough that it doesn't get cluttered and is not an issue. TIA.
I have the jessem hold down on the incra fence like you. Have you mentioned the need to lock down the fence to prevent it from lifting off the table because the jessem hold downs push on the wood while ripping?
Great video. Thanks for sharing. I learned a lot I would have used during my install. If you are interested, I used a 4" piece of aluminum to attach my overhead dust collection and outfeed table. I posted about it on FB in the SawStop group. Feel free to search for it on there. I had posted a link, but my comment was deleted.
@@chloedogable Sorry. I should have thought of that. I’ll paste my post here and follow up w/ a couple of pictures: My greatest fear when I ordered my Incra TS-LS Combo for my SawStop table saw/router table was that I wasn't going to be able to figure out how to mount the out-feed table and overarm dust collection. I had emailed Incra and searched this list w/ no luck. I figured it out. I ordered two 1/4"X4"X36" sheets of aluminum ($57 incl. shipping), cut the pieces to fit between my outer and middle Incra rails, got some wide head 3/8-16 bolts w/ wide heads, and went to town! Drilled mounting holes 3" in from the ends for support and made sure they positioned the aluminum JUST short of interfering w/ the tightening handles for the Incra. The outfeed table was perfectly aligned w/out any shims. I'm very happy. I probably overdid it w/ the pictures, but I wanted to make this super easy for anyone facing this challenge. I got the aluminum at MidwestSteelSupply.com. Ordering 2 @ 36" instead of 1 @ 72" saved me $40 in shipping. I got the bolts and nuts at Lowes. Drilled the holes at 250rpm and cut the aluminum on my SawStop w/ the bypass on using an Infinity Tools 10-380 special material blade. Reach out if you have questions. (I later added that because I flip it to use my right-side router table, I had to replace the black-handled lock-down bolts w/ regular bolts that I tighten and loosen w/ a 9/16” wrench.)
Did you use carbon method on the rails? I'm thinking I might just use carbon glide on the rails and fence? I guess you could also use it on the main arm but I'm not sure. What do you think?
I have had mine for since 1999. I orignally had the TS version and then upgraded to the LS. I have wonderfence as well. The one thing i think they should have done and I have contacted Incra about it was to possibly magnify the window where you read your measurement. I ended up get a page magnifier that lays right on top. Works great. However, I recently purchase these new magnifiers with the small monitor. I was going to retrofit that right over the measure window. As i have gotten older my reading vision has weakened. this setup i believe will magnify it and more importantly i dont have to hover over it. I just have to figure a way to prevent the fine sawdust from getting under the window. its just a great fence.
@@bentswoodworking I have begun installing the Incra fence, but I cannot for the life of me figure out how to make it work with the black extension table. The holes on the side are on a lower plane than those on the cast iron wings. I've about given up. I live in the Philly area - know anyone in the area who could come help with the setup? I'd gladly pay! If not, I'm considering getting rid of the extension table and adding a couple more of the cast iron wings. Thoughts? Thanks again.
Thanks for posting the video ! I want to use the overhead dust collection and outfield table but I don't think that the aluminum extrusion isn't stout enough to support the outfield table. I know that there are support legs under the outfield table but when folded it's dead weight pulling/twisting on the aluminum. I use a metal fabrication shop to help with some of my ideas and may have a solution using steel stock. I'll let you know if I get something to work ! I am really interested if you come up with something that works well !!
@@bentswoodworking Thanks for the reply ! Do you mean that they are attaching the outfield directly to the aluminum extrusion ?? If so how are they attaching it ??
Did you have any problems with the cast iron table saw wings drooping/ moving when you removed the fence rails? Also, are the aluminum extrusion rails strong enough to support the cast iron wings as well as an outfeed table. Great video as always, Thanks.
After 9 months would you still get this fence disregarding the installation issues. Is it that good of a product from a use standpoint. If I had the budget I would get the table saw and the router table fence but only have enough for one. I am leaning to the router table. Your thoughts?
Hello Bent. Thank you for that informative video. I was just wondering if that Incra fence is compatible with the Sawstop integrated router table to the right of the blade and if the fence can be removed and replaced easily. My studio is small and i would like to use the saw as an assembly table with a top covering it when not being used as a saw. Many Thanks. Barry
Brent, did you, in fact, put the outfeed table on by just getting some additional brackets? Just got mine and working on the install and would like to know as I also have the outfeed table…. Thanks.
Nice! I recently 'upgraded' my TS-LS to metric, and went thru and re-aligned things since I had it tore apart. Added the WonderFence, and found out the hard way that the high stock supports for that don't actually attach to the WonderFence, but to the top of the TS-LS fence - which is where my Jessem stock guide rail sits. My Jessem guides came with the adapter plates for the Incra fence (probably ordered them that way back when), but I don't think I ever had any issue with the vertical clearance problem that you mentioned - at least not if I flipped them up and all the way in. Maybe I have the Jessem rail offset the other way? Anywho, love seeing more Incra videos out there.
Question: Other than to use to attach the folding outfeed table, why did you run the rails all the way to the left end of the saw? It seems to me that you could have just slid them to the right (albeit with a shorter rail set) and set them with only three (or at most 4) angle supports. Also, you are the not the only person who has tried to attach a rail and level it only to find out that you didn't slide the retaining nut, but under. Lastly, I know you don't have the space for it there, but if you ever do, then extending out the added table on the right side to allow for a router insert and pushing the rails out all the way to the right allows you to use the Incra as a router table fence.
Hi Bent. Question about the incra support legs . Since the saw is on a move able base and I am in my garage, there may be times I have to move the saw. Any issues you see around being able to do that effectively ?
Thanks for this video! I have much enjoyed TS-LS for 10 years on a Grizzly, and am about to order a Saw Stop ICS with 52" extension and router table on the left. I see the TS-LS (I'll need the XL version for the 30" deep ICS table top) has 92" rails. I plan to order without the Saw Stop rails, but I am concerned that these long angle brackets/rails which you removed might be part of what helps keep the whole top flat? It would be great to do it the way you have, looks much cleaner. Did you check with Saw Stop on this? On a separate note, I have the imperial version, and am thinking of getting the the metric for the new saw. I will be locate the Saw Stop back to back with a long-rail Grizzly G1023L. Do you have any thoughts on metric? I grew up in New Zealand we went metric in 1969 when I was 13, but have lived in California for 40+ years. I am familiar with both imperial and metric, but am concerned that having a metric LS-TS will drive me nuts due to being so comfortable with the imperial LS-TS.
Jason, very timely video. Been a long time follower of your channel. I used your recommendation and purchased another set of the brackets (also second set of the saddle since the first set has the plastic runners on them when I had this fence on my old Grizzly saw and the runner threw off the spacing for the rails on the SawStop). One question I have is in regards to the SawStop's built in set screw on the extension table. Did you put that back in with the Incra fence? My issue is if I put the set screw in, it changes the level of the extension table such that I can't get it to be even with the cast iron. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
By the way I'm looking to buy a Festool drill and noticed the model that you were using. I was thinking of the fixed chuck conventional drill as I have an impact tool and screw driver drills already. Why did you choose that model ??
I don't plan to buy one but watched the video great job. I would love to know your thoughts about the advantages of using this compared to the regular fence. I do cabinet making on my table saw with my son (2 person operation so far) and we are fine with an old Grizzly with a regular fence but would love to know your thoughts on benefits.
Easy thing to do on the JessEm stock guides to keep them out of the way when not needed but keep them on the saw for quick set up is to just remove the bar and put it in backwards and have the rollers pointing to the back side of the fence. Takes 5 seconds and your back in business to swap them around.
@@michaeldorman Watched the previous video and I do not understand the need for machine shop precision in woodworking. Wood is a very dynamic medium that moves with temperature and humidity. I applaud the woodworkers who work with these tight tolerances because as long as they are making sawdust and being creative the art continues.
Try Watching a company video on you tube of this incra system you understand why it is so great I have one on my table I can't be happier and never find better if you ever have one you can understand how good they really are and how accurate and perfect every time nothing else I ever had or seen works better and lots of add on you can buy like for you router on you saw table wow I don't have that wish I did . But I have a very good router table setup already but would like they setup you sould ck it out belive me cost a lot but comes with a lot more and do so much more . Just ck it out . And dreams
I am looking at adding one to my saw as well, the work I do does require precision of plus or minus 1/32nd, so the need for precision and repeatability is solved with a fence like this
I appreciate the helpful video for those who want this system but I just don’t see the benefit. You have to pay a ridiculous amount for the system, spend hours taking a fantastic saw apart and installing this complicated monstrosity on your saw, then you even made a detailed installation video for them. I know they appreciate that. Or should. Like someone else said below, they should give you the system and pay you for making the training video for them. Not me but thanks again for helping others.
I watched because I was considering an Incra, but went with a VerySuperCoolTools fence instead. One thing that struck me is all the extra cash you had to throw at the problem after the initial purchase. That sort of thing really makes me dislike/distrust a product.
The reason I watched the video is "WHY" , and you never told us why. You have $4,000 table saw and you just spent another $1,500 to upgrade the fence. I have a much cheaper table saw and the fence is dead on all the time. Is Sawstop that bad?
Thank you for making this video. You just saved me several hundred dollars. I purchased my SS without the fence systems because I already had the Incra system. After speaking with SS Tech Support, they told me that the SS rails were required, but I could not see how to install the Incra with the SS rails. After your video, I ordered additional Incra mounting brackets and the 10 in cast iron spacer between the wings and the router table.
Once again, well done with this informative video and thank you!
Thanks for the video. I enjoyed it!
I had many problems with installation particularly getting the fence to slide smoothly. I contacted Incra and they said that the spacing between the rails and the surface of the saw was critical and they suggested instead of using the brackets, clamp a level across the saw and use a spacer between the rail and level to get the spacing exactly the same right around the saw. This worked perfectly and I can now move the fence with one finger. Also I used the existing Sawstop legs and they were easy to attach just sliding a bolt in the rail and finally using a tight fitting runner in the miter slot made it dead easy to align the fence with the slot by making sure the fence was in complete contact with the runner. I now absolutely love it!! Repeatable, accurate and fun to use.
The level and spacer is a excellent idea!!
@@bentswoodworking I forgot to say my other problem was the micro adjusting. It wasn't responsive enough. I used a dial indicator to check it and I'd move the red knob one click and no change on the dial indicator. I had to move it a few clicks before it changed but when I went in the opposite direction , no change at all. I contacted Mark at Incra again (his service is brilliant btw) and he sent me a video on how to adjust that knob. There is a hex bolt on the very end of the arm. Adjusting that to be slightly more snug gave exactly the results I was looking for. One click forward gave 0.05mm (metric version or a thou imperial version) and one click back also gave 0.05mm. I hope this helps someone
I have owned the Incra extended fence, just like yours, for 5 years. It’s attached to my Inca 2200 Cabinet Saw (Incra on an Inca) and it is as sweet a setup as can be, but the installation was a nightmare.
The original Swiss Inca fence, did not attach to the front of the table but underneath the front and rear edges, so I had to drill and tap the mounting holes which were complicated by the fact that the edges of this cast iron table were somewhat rounded, which meant that I had to shim the top and bottom so that the mounting brackets would sit square. It took me 3 days to install the Incra fence, partly because of all the rest breaks I had to take since I am in my seventies. But, am still glad I got this great fence. Thanks for your detailed video.
I installed my Incra fence on a SawStop over a year ago and ran into all kinds of trouble. Unlike you, I didn't catch the issue with the provided hardware not being capatible with the SawStop and ended up stripping the machined holes. I spoke with Incra as I was super upset over it. They provided some solutions for me which I was not 100% happy with but I needed some kind of solutions. Thanks for posting and the insight, I recently moved and going to redo the install and use some of your pointers.
Glad you found it helpful
Incra sys rail setup I have for yrs LOVE IT THE BEST
made my table saw some much better works great EVERYTIME and the same EVERYTIME can't be bet .
Wow cost a lot but wish I it in the being . Eveyone needs one belive you will not be disappointed.
Great video! Incra needs to pay you for making this video for them! What a blessing.
Lol that would be nice but I don’t think they are too interested in social media partnerships
@@bentswoodworking Their loss.
I’ve got the same setup and randomly searched incra fence install and this popped up. I’m re-installing tomorrow.
You need extra brackets for the extension table.
The sawstop fence helps the wings from bowing so you may need to shim your wings.
It’s a great fence but my first time setting it up took almost a week of calibration here and there and waiting for the brackets
I love my incra fence. It has been part of my shop for close to 15 years now. It is the one thing in my shop I have never regretted buying. One tip for folks. I bought the 52" version, but don't have room in my shop for the extra rails. The folks up at Incra gave me an awesome tip. I have two settings/stops. When I need to cut things over about 30" or use the Wonderfence, I loosen the two front screws and move it to the furthest stop. Using one of the secondary scales, you have your new mark. I keep board cut at exactly 20" around to ensure my secondary measurement is accurate. It still sticks out on the right, but it's way more manageable.
Wish I had watched this before I bought! Now I'm waiting for the 4 brackets to arrive :/ Thanks Jason! You rock!
I have had a TSLS fence on my Ridged saw for over 25 years and I love it. I have been thinking about getting a Saw Stop saw but wasn't sure about the fence. Thanks for the information.
Great info because I do have the Incra fence system with my Ridgid table saw but, I’m now looking into purchasing the Saw Stop and didn’t want to get rid of my Incra fence… glad I came across your video.
I installed this very system on my home made saw made from 4080 aluminium extrusion. My god it was so easy. Under 1 hour from start to test cut. Such a joy to use.
yes i am thinking about changing out my ICS fence with a Incra fence..... good video
Glad you found it helpful
I've had my Sawstop and Incra fence for about 5 years now and love them both. I ordered saw and Incra about the same time period. I ordered Industrial, because I knew that I would not need the rails, fence etc (at that point in time it was possible to just order the saw, without the rails etc., this option was only available on the industrial model). My rails are 8 or 9" to the right of the blade and I did a shop-built extension table.
My Jensen feed rollers, allow me use the T-slot on the side of the fence. I use then also on my Powermatic shaper and the Incra fence on my router table. I share this information; in case you are just starting to go with the Sawstop and Incra combination. I tend to be detailed ordinated and love the micro adjustment on the fence, it lets me dial the fit perfectly. If you are the type of woodworker, who thinks "close enough" is good, then you might not appreciate the Incra Fence system.
Agreed. The precision isn’t my favorite part. For me it’s repeatability
Thanks for the close up video of how the parts are installed.
I'm going to be ordering the 52-inch TSLS 4 for my SawStop contractor saw. Thanks for the installation video and the helpful tips on the additional hardware parts that are needed.
Your gonna love that fence! I have had mine for years and it's awesome!
I've had this set up on a Bosch jobsite table saw for some time now. I will be transferring my fence to my Sawstop when I get it at Christmas. One thing you can do (that has no bearing on any saw that it's installed to) is replace the rear support bracket screw with a knob. I use a Rockler 4 star knob. I forget if its 1/4 or 5/16 bolt, but at least you wouldn't have to use the included ball end hex driver anymore to tighten that down.. Just a friendly tip
Its a 1/4 inch bolt.. I just checked their parts website..lol
This video along with the initial install video you made convinced me to purchase the Incra TSLS system. I have been using it for several weeks or so and in the process of building a 5 drawer pantry for my kitchen. The Incra Fence system has made my life so much easier. The amazing thing is that this system has been for sale for way over 14 years now and I just discovered it!
You sure do like your tools. I'll watch some of your videos just to see what new gadgets you've purchased. 🙂If your wife likes to cook as much as you enjoy your workshop, I'd love to see her array of kitchen equipment. Your tips are always informative and appreciated, and I thank you for sharing them.
Appreciated. Look forward to seeing your vid on the repeatability accuracy of the fence.
Thank you so much for this! Love your shop, your style, and all off the information 😅 I’m just getting started and trying to invest in the good stuff to save money in the long run 👌🏼 🙏🏻
You are so welcome!
Excellent video! In fact I’m just picking up my Incra tablesaw fence today. I’m planning to install it this weekend perfect timing.
Glad you found it helpful
I have the TS LS wonder fence combo and it is on a Ridged 4512 Table saw! Yes the fence is better than the saw! At least more expensive!
And this fence works very well for me. I had no issues setting the incra system up on this saw. And I will say as a former installer of CNC metal machining centers. I am pretty persnickety about tolerance! I use dial indicators to align my blade to the miter slots but not with a saw blade a calibrated arbor plate. After that I align the fence parallel to the calibrated plate. I can cut 4 quarter walnut on this saw at 4 and 1/32 inches at 8 foot and that is what I get all long the board.. it is all about proper calibration.
As for Customer Service! Neil is who I worked with on one issue, and resolved it short order! 😁🛫
I just bought my PCS 3 hp and bought the incra fence . A lot of people talking about the incra brackets not helping in supporting the cast iron wings . I definitely agree , so I used the original SS front rail support and fabricated a new rear rail support. Everything came out perfect.
Just FYI, i ordered this fence setup after seeing the original video and it was 5-6 month wait list.. just got the call today that my fence is in already!!
That’s awesome!
This is very helpful - thanks so much.
And I didn't know about the Jessem Stock Guide - I will get that too!
Many thanks.
On sale! Just grabbed the TS-LS for $490. Thanks for the installation tips.
Awesome tips and information Jason. I’ve been considering adding this system to my Sawstop so this was very helpful, thanks for sharing!!!
Thanks, great video as always. I have been thinking about getting the Incra fence for my saw stop, I have the Incra fence for my router and love it.
I have the router table too, it’s fantastic!
finally!!! been waiting an extra few minutes for this one!
Sorry, Covid set everything back a couple weeks
Excited about you installing the folding table extension on Incra :D
The point about the bolt size will be helpful. Thanks
You’re welcome
Thanks for the Video Jase. I went through the same process about a month ago now and am on the same point as to how to attach the outfeed table and overhead dust collection. Looking forward to what you come up with. The extra brackets sound like the go. Cheers mate.
I just need to order them and finally get to it. Lol
Please do make a video on how you connected the outfeed table to the rails.. I would very much be interested in on how you did that.. I was thinking Incra's brackets would be involved as well
have you installed the outfeed table since installing the incra system? once I see that it's possible, I'll pull the trigger on ordering the fence
Hi Jason, another great no- nonsense video. Well presented and very informative! Like your style….! Looking forward to seeing some more….INCRA router plate with fixed motor would be a good one for me! Len (Devon 🇬🇧)
I’ve been meaning to do a video on that for a long time.
very informative, thanks for posting this!
You’re welcome
Another detailed & informative video. Thanks
Very helpful!
Glad it was helpful!
I thought about this years ago, adding the incra fence to the table saw, but I have since added the Harvey router table & fence to the right side of the table saw. It be sweet if I could figure out having them both. But I am not too crazy about having the router table on the left side of the saw. Really enjoy watching your videos & following along with your shop!
Thanks for your video Bent. I bought my Incra Fence about 10years ago and I'm really happy with it.
One of the best tools in my shop.
👍👍
I installed on my SS and had no issues
this video saved my ass! thanks Jason!
WOW.. Cant believe it. I placed my order with Carbide Processors for an INCRA TS-LS WF XL Fence just after your first video on the Incra dropped. Here it is 5 weeks later and UPS is dropping off my fence system today. Anyone want to buy a 52" ICS fence system? lol
I bought an incra fence over 2 years ago and it's sat in the boxes unused. But I am now finally moved into my shop and ready to get it installed.
I'd love to see more content on the Incra, especially the router wonder fence.
It’s on the list
you are one of the biggest reason that I spend my money on tools :)
Now I want this Fence for my sawstop and I want to know, other than the 4 extra brackets and spacers for the Jessem - Anything else needed? I'm getting the incra legs.. You also talked about M8 bolts - would you mind listing that please.
Great video as usual. There is a post on saw stop user group on FB that has a good idea on how to mount outfeed table to incra setup.
Thanks!! 👍👍
Sometimes I think even a slightly complicated install is like a litmus test. If you're not mechanically inclined and can't put it together, you ought not be using it. But I think there's enough SawStops that Incra could create a "Sawstop pack" for easier installation.
That would be nice
Didn't buy the Incra fence, and don't have any plans to, but love to watch your video's, and watched it the entire way through. You do an excellent job putting these together and made putting this together a joy to watch.
I really appreciate that
Watched both your videos on the Incra fence. Seems like an excellent design for accuracy and repeat ability....but.
1) You can't position the fence on the other side of the blade and
2) like you say, it sticks out to the right a long way, and
3). You can't use your favorite style of fence..ie Bessimer style or your jigs that saddle the fence.
All this could be solved if they mounted the screw and adjusting clamp along the front of the saw with a T-style fence, ( Mounting the the screw in a fixed position and making the clamp slide)
I'm tempted to buy one and modify it to mount like that.
I see their point of mounting the sliding arm just opposite of the blade for best accuracy, but you give up a lot for a negligible difference.
Were you going to try and mount the outfield table to the incra fence using incra's brackets ?
Yes
Thanks for the reply !! I'll try that also !
Awesome install video. But how do you align your outfeed table to the the fence specially since the adjustment knobs are offset from the fence itself.
I attached it using some of the same l brackets to attach the rails
Did you ever make a video on connecting the outfeed table? Extremely interested to see that
I will soon
9:20... wow, they really don't want that rail moving! Great video and tips on the process. Its a shame Jessem's adapter does not set the guides back further so they fold fully out of the way... another 3/4 to 1" of offset would probably do the trick. I love my stock guides... best upgrade to my saw.
IMHO... Nice fence system, but too clumsy and consumes way too much space for my taste/use. I created a custom micro-adjuster for my Delta 36-T30 fence and use additional stop blocks, all easily moved & removed (when desired) to greatly improve my cuts.... both dialing it in and setup for repeat cuts.
Yeah definitely isn’t for everyone but I definitely like it.
I need to know if you got the extension table connected! this is my only reason I have not bought this fence yet.
Extension table or outfeed table?
Evaluating and thanks for the video, great work as I have a 10" SS PCS. I tend to clutter my unused portion of my tabletop. With the LSTS, there is now the carriage in the way. If I push the fence and carriage all the way to the right, then the carriage will protrude some 40" past the end of the extension fence. Has this been an issue for you or perhaps you use yours enough that it doesn't get cluttered and is not an issue. TIA.
I have the jessem hold down on the incra fence like you. Have you mentioned the need to lock down the fence to prevent it from lifting off the table because the jessem hold downs push on the wood while ripping?
Well I lock down the fence with each cut as it is.
Great video. Thanks for sharing. I learned a lot I would have used during my install. If you are interested, I used a 4" piece of aluminum to attach my overhead dust collection and outfeed table. I posted about it on FB in the SawStop group. Feel free to search for it on there. I had posted a link, but my comment was deleted.
I think links usually automatically get held for review.
I don't use Facebook but want to install my overhead dust collection and outfield table on this setup. What do you mean "a 4" piece of aluminum" ??
@@chloedogable Sorry. I should have thought of that. I’ll paste my post here and follow up w/ a couple of pictures: My greatest fear when I ordered my Incra TS-LS Combo for my SawStop table saw/router table was that I wasn't going to be able to figure out how to mount the out-feed table and overarm dust collection. I had emailed Incra and searched this list w/ no luck.
I figured it out. I ordered two 1/4"X4"X36" sheets of aluminum ($57 incl. shipping), cut the pieces to fit between my outer and middle Incra rails, got some wide head 3/8-16 bolts w/ wide heads, and went to town! Drilled mounting holes 3" in from the ends for support and made sure they positioned the aluminum JUST short of interfering w/ the tightening handles for the Incra. The outfeed table was perfectly aligned w/out any shims. I'm very happy.
I probably overdid it w/ the pictures, but I wanted to make this super easy for anyone facing this challenge. I got the aluminum at MidwestSteelSupply.com. Ordering 2 @ 36" instead of 1 @ 72" saved me $40 in shipping. I got the bolts and nuts at Lowes. Drilled the holes at 250rpm and cut the aluminum on my SawStop w/ the bypass on using an Infinity Tools 10-380 special material blade. Reach out if you have questions. (I later added that because I flip it to use my right-side router table, I had to replace the black-handled lock-down bolts w/ regular bolts that I tighten and loosen w/ a 9/16” wrench.)
@@chloedogable Sorry, can’t add pics.
I sent link of your post to Jason before I scrolled down and saw your comment lol.
Did you use carbon method on the rails? I'm thinking I might just use carbon glide on the rails and fence? I guess you could also use it on the main arm but I'm not sure. What do you think?
I haven’t and probably won’t as it’s anodized aluminum and I am not worried about protecting it. That said, I don’t think it’s a bad idea
I have had mine for since 1999. I orignally had the TS version and then upgraded to the LS. I have wonderfence as well. The one thing i think they should have done and I have contacted Incra about it was to possibly magnify the window where you read your measurement. I ended up get a page magnifier that lays right on top. Works great. However, I recently purchase these new magnifiers with the small monitor. I was going to retrofit that right over the measure window. As i have gotten older my reading vision has weakened. this setup i believe will magnify it and more importantly i dont have to hover over it. I just have to figure a way to prevent the fine sawdust from getting under the window. its just a great fence.
Got mine. Now to get you here to help me install it! :-)
Lol
@@bentswoodworking I have begun installing the Incra fence, but I cannot for the life of me figure out how to make it work with the black extension table. The holes on the side are on a lower plane than those on the cast iron wings. I've about given up.
I live in the Philly area - know anyone in the area who could come help with the setup? I'd gladly pay!
If not, I'm considering getting rid of the extension table and adding a couple more of the cast iron wings. Thoughts?
Thanks again.
Have you tried mounting the outfield table directly to the Incra fence with extra Incra brackets yet ??
Thanks for posting the video ! I want to use the overhead dust collection and outfield table but I don't think that the aluminum extrusion isn't stout enough to support the outfield table. I know that there are support legs under the outfield table but when folded it's dead weight pulling/twisting on the aluminum. I use a metal fabrication shop to help with some of my ideas and may have a solution using steel stock. I'll let you know if I get something to work ! I am really interested if you come up with something that works well !!
I know people that are doing it with good success. I’m hopeful it will work without issue
@@bentswoodworking Thanks for the reply ! Do you mean that they are attaching the outfield directly to the aluminum extrusion ?? If so how are they attaching it ??
Thanks. I see you have the Incra cross cut sled. I have one and use all the time. What are your thoughts about the sled? Thanks
I love it. Only sled I’ll ever need
Did you have any problems with the cast iron table saw wings drooping/ moving when you removed the fence rails? Also, are the aluminum extrusion rails strong enough to support the cast iron wings as well as an outfeed table. Great video as always, Thanks.
I didn’t notice any issues. I’m hopeful the outfeed table will work
After 9 months would you still get this fence disregarding the installation issues. Is it that good of a product from a use standpoint. If I had the budget I would get the table saw and the router table fence but only have enough for one. I am leaning to the router table. Your thoughts?
Hello Bent. Thank you for that informative video. I was just wondering if that Incra fence is compatible with the Sawstop integrated router table to the right of the blade and if the fence can be removed and replaced easily. My studio is small and i would like to use the saw as an assembly table with a top covering it when not being used as a saw. Many Thanks. Barry
It would be a hassle I think. Unless the router was left of the blade.
Brent, did you, in fact, put the outfeed table on by just getting some additional brackets? Just got mine and working on the install and would like to know as I also have the outfeed table…. Thanks.
Can you do a video on the right angle fixture for box joints?
I think you said you have the 36" extension table on your saw. Do you know how many extra brackets are needed for the 52" extension table?
Nice! I recently 'upgraded' my TS-LS to metric, and went thru and re-aligned things since I had it tore apart. Added the WonderFence, and found out the hard way that the high stock supports for that don't actually attach to the WonderFence, but to the top of the TS-LS fence - which is where my Jessem stock guide rail sits.
My Jessem guides came with the adapter plates for the Incra fence (probably ordered them that way back when), but I don't think I ever had any issue with the vertical clearance problem that you mentioned - at least not if I flipped them up and all the way in. Maybe I have the Jessem rail offset the other way?
Anywho, love seeing more Incra videos out there.
Question: Other than to use to attach the folding outfeed table, why did you run the rails all the way to the left end of the saw? It seems to me that you could have just slid them to the right (albeit with a shorter rail set) and set them with only three (or at most 4) angle supports. Also, you are the not the only person who has tried to attach a rail and level it only to find out that you didn't slide the retaining nut, but under. Lastly, I know you don't have the space for it there, but if you ever do, then extending out the added table on the right side to allow for a router insert and pushing the rails out all the way to the right allows you to use the Incra as a router table fence.
OK, so do you need the extra brackets and legs if you're going with the 32"? It's kinda hard to tell which length you have here
Hi Bent. Question about the incra support legs . Since the saw is on a move able base and I am in my garage, there may be times I have to move the saw. Any issues you see around being able to do that effectively ?
How could you get that fence all the way over to the left if you have a router table insert?
Thanks for this video! I have much enjoyed TS-LS for 10 years on a Grizzly, and am about to order a Saw Stop ICS with 52" extension and router table on the left. I see the TS-LS (I'll need the XL version for the 30" deep ICS table top) has 92" rails. I plan to order without the Saw Stop rails, but I am concerned that these long angle brackets/rails which you removed might be part of what helps keep the whole top flat? It would be great to do it the way you have, looks much cleaner. Did you check with Saw Stop on this?
On a separate note, I have the imperial version, and am thinking of getting the the metric for the new saw. I will be locate the Saw Stop back to back with a long-rail Grizzly G1023L. Do you have any thoughts on metric? I grew up in New Zealand we went metric in 1969 when I was 13, but have lived in California for 40+ years. I am familiar with both imperial and metric, but am concerned that having a metric LS-TS will drive me nuts due to being so comfortable with the imperial LS-TS.
I did not consult with sawstop about the incra fence. The rails seem to hold it just fine.
Did you ever install an out feed table?
Jason, very timely video. Been a long time follower of your channel.
I used your recommendation and purchased another set of the brackets (also second set of the saddle since the first set has the plastic runners on them when I had this fence on my old Grizzly saw and the runner threw off the spacing for the rails on the SawStop). One question I have is in regards to the SawStop's built in set screw on the extension table. Did you put that back in with the Incra fence? My issue is if I put the set screw in, it changes the level of the extension table such that I can't get it to be even with the cast iron. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
What is the blue systainer full of at the one minute mark? Is that a drill bit set?
I'm purchasing a used TS/LS and I'm curious as to how thick are the "cardboard spacers"? Thanks!
By the way I'm looking to buy a Festool drill and noticed the model that you were using. I was thinking of the fixed chuck conventional drill as I have an impact tool and screw driver drills already. Why did you choose that model ??
No specific reason. I have various types for different applications
I don't plan to buy one but watched the video great job. I would love to know your thoughts about the advantages of using this compared to the regular fence. I do cabinet making on my table saw with my son (2 person operation so far) and we are fine with an old Grizzly with a regular fence but would love to know your thoughts on benefits.
For me the biggest benefit is the guaranteed repeatability. Also the ability to dial in a dado/groove with such precision.
What a baller fence
I assume based on the design that you can not run the fence on the left side of the blade?
Is your saw stop a 36” or 52”? I understand that the positioner is limited to 32"
I have the 36”
I understand the positioner with 92" rails fits the 52" SS. Also the XL version fits the ICS. I and ordering these this week.
would the jessem router clear cut stock guides fit in front?
did you buy 1 or 2 sets of support legs?
Good job.Where did you get the toolkit in a systainer, or is it custom?
It’s festools new ratchet set
Easy thing to do on the JessEm stock guides to keep them out of the way when not needed but keep them on the saw for quick set up is to just remove the bar and put it in backwards and have the rollers pointing to the back side of the fence. Takes 5 seconds and your back in business to swap them around.
Great idea!
Seems like a very complicated and complex solution to a nonissue. Maybe you will do a video explaining what you gain with this over the factory fence.
He addressed all that a couple of videos back.
@@michaeldorman Watched the previous video and I do not understand the need for machine shop precision in woodworking. Wood is a very dynamic medium that moves with temperature and humidity. I applaud the woodworkers who work with these tight tolerances because as long as they are making sawdust and being creative the art continues.
The accuracy isn’t nearly as important to me as the repeatability.
Try Watching a company video on you tube of this incra system you understand why it is so great I have one on my table I can't be happier and never find better if you ever have one you can understand how good they really are and how accurate and perfect every time nothing else I ever had or seen works better and lots of add on you can buy like for you router on you saw table wow I don't have that wish I did . But I have a very good router table setup already but would like they setup you sould ck it out belive me cost a lot but comes with a lot more and do so much more . Just ck it out . And dreams
I am looking at adding one to my saw as well, the work I do does require precision of plus or minus 1/32nd, so the need for precision and repeatability is solved with a fence like this
I appreciate the helpful video for those who want this system but I just don’t see the benefit. You have to pay a ridiculous amount for the system, spend hours taking a fantastic saw apart and installing this complicated monstrosity on your saw, then you even made a detailed installation video for them. I know they appreciate that. Or should. Like someone else said below, they should give you the system and pay you for making the training video for them. Not me but thanks again for helping others.
Probably not what I want for my sawstop jobsite saw.
Seems like a lot of work, I don’t think I will change out my sawstop fence.
I watched because I was considering an Incra, but went with a VerySuperCoolTools fence instead. One thing that struck me is all the extra cash you had to throw at the problem after the initial purchase. That sort of thing really makes me dislike/distrust a product.
The reason I watched the video is "WHY" , and you never told us why. You have $4,000 table saw and you just spent another $1,500 to upgrade the fence. I have a much cheaper table saw and the fence is dead on all the time. Is Sawstop that bad?