My favorite time is in the Batman issue #1000 where the Penguins talks about he always knew Batman identity after a villains meeting to discuss who it is. In said meeting most of them almost piece it together until the Joker goes out of his way to make the idea of Bruce being Batman as extremely absurd. Which is one of the more subtle ways he’s protected his identity.
It's kinda funny because it's not even a difficult argument to make for a sane person. The whole idea that Bruce Wayne of all people is Batman is rather ridiculous when you think about it from the perspective of someone who would be living in Gotham, knowing only what ordinary people would know about him. The only thing that would be a potential link to Batman would be the fact that Bruce is rich, but he's hardly the only rich person in Gotham. Bruce is also a big money donor, but other than that he doesn't really come off as the heroic type and certainly doesn't seem like someone who would win a lot of fist fights. There's also the fact that Batman doesn't even necessarily need to be rich, he just needs a source of funding. It wouldn't be an unfair assumption for a citizen of Gotham to make that Batman is government funded, especially when Batman is working together with the police. This only further eliminates Bruce Wayne from the suspect pool. Literally the only reason why we in the real world see Batman's identity as Bruce Wayne as obvious is because we view his world through his eyes, with his knowledge about his own secret identity.
@@Crow_Risingyou've just reminded me of a series of Tumblr posts where people argued as if they were people in the DC universe trying to work it out. Ultimately, they came to the conclusion that Bruce Wayne is Superman, and that one reporter from Metropolis that gets all those good stories is probably Batman.
@@Crow_Rising Not really. Someone could look at Bruce Wayne and see they have the same body type and height as Batman. Bruce Wayne is 6'2" at 240 lbs according to Justice League cartoon so he's pretty athletic, muscular and isn't fat or old like a lot of rich people. Bruce Wayne has competed in race car driving so he could be seen as someone that could chase down criminals in a bat mobile everyday. Batman doesn't cover his mouth area so it can be deduced that he's a white male. Someone can take pictures of Bruce Wayne and Batman to compare their mouths like Bane did in Arkham Origins. Batman has been shot at multiple times by police as a vigilante starting out so it can be seen he's not funded by the government. If someone couldn't deduce that Bruce Wayne is Batman then they could at least figure that Wayne Enterprise is giving him gadgets, cars, jets, etc. funding him and that Bruce Wayne is at least connected to Batman. There's also the case of Batman leaving DNA somewhere like blood, sweat, etc. and villain or Police Department finding that DNA to see that Bruce Wayne is Batman. Overall, Bruce Wayne is a big candidate to be viewed as possibly being Batman in that world cause he's rich and could afford all of Batman's expensive jets, cars, gadgets, etc., is a white male and that they have the same body type.
@@daniel5913I have some ideas of a Batman that would be extremely hard to find out. That guy wear Batman Beyond suit (both comic and Arkham knight version are OK) as Batman. Both suits are strong as hell, and cover his mouth, so the mouths and DNA problems are all gone. (Comic ver is fucked up by author's inconsistency tho. One panel, it can withstand rocket without a single scratch, but on another, it got cut by a normal knife, and got damaged by Bane's venom users.) He hides or fakes his real body shape as his civilian *personas* . One of his identities obviously is a rich dude. Yeah, Moon Knight reference.
Joker asking Bruce where his electric car he pre ordered was has got to be one of the funniest lines I've ever heard. The transition from villain to disgruntled customer is perfect.
The Three Jokers story would also be a great example of Joker protecting Batman's identity. In this story, the mad villain kidnaps Joe Chill to force Batman to rescue him and put aside the trauma that the criminal caused him with the murder of his parents, revealing later that he knows Bruce's identity, but doesn't plan to reveal it to anyone, as he wants to be Batman's only big trauma.
@@Jester_Jingles Joker found the batcave not long after him and batman met, he left a joker card at the batboat then Bruce Wayne went into Arkham and showed joker it but he just ignored him
@@102-d7i yeah cause joker only cares about the Batman part. But the run you’re talking about was a few years before the one I’m talking about. In the run I’m talking about the Batman who laughs freaks out joker so much he goes to Batman and shoots himself in the chest to joker toxin Batman with a toxin that makes you like joker. He did this in the batcave. He saw Alfred.
@@Jester_Jingles ahhh I know which story ur talking about, I’m pretty sure that story is also linked to the one I’m talking about since bruce says something like “only 1 man has gotten into the cave this way before” before lowering the water levels
"Chill of the Night" is probably the most underrated Batman story ever written. Batman finally confronting the man who ruined his life and revealing him that he created with his egoistical acts the monster that got rid of Gotham's evil is simply EPIC
it was also great to see the dynamic between the Spectre and Phantom Stranger. Spectre wants Batman to kill Joe Chill while PS wants to choose justice. But even tho Batman spares Chill. The Spectre still made sure Chill died at the end so in a way. It was the Spectre who protected Batman's identity. Tho Joker still played a hand in it because thanks Joker causing the building to collapse. It helped the Spectre made it look like it was an accident.
@@niceguyofgames9490 When secrets are revealed it removes all the fun from them. Which is why mystery games, or people that make mysteries never reveal the entire thing, because if they did, most people would find out that its not really all that special. We like imagining a what if scenario, when its answered rarely does that benefit our psyche.
Moral of the story: If Joker hears that someone knows Batman’s identity, he will do anything to keep it a secret as he will either beat them or kill them.
In the Batman cartoon when Batman and Robin took down Wrath and Scorn They attempted to tell Joker they knew Batman's secret identity but he was having none of it he just threw a gastronaid into the back of the police fan and hit them both with laughing toxin before shouting to the Dark Knight "destroying you is my game and I won't have anyone stealing my fun." If you contrast that with the Harley Quinn cartoon had it ruined for him scarecrow ruined it where Scarecrow unmasked Batman and basically ruined the game it's not surprising Joker would turn around and kill scarecrow.
I think this is why I like the Joker. Even though he is Batman's greatest arch-nemesis, he goes to great lengths to make sure that absolutely nobody ever comes close to uncovering his favorite hero's identity as it would ruin their interaction and the dynamic energy they share. I love it so much.
How could you leave out Batman Arkham Knight? At the end of the Harley mission at Panessa Studios, the mental echo of Joker inside Bruce's mind is showing him (and the player/audience) what happened with Jason Todd, which is supposed to be the big hint of the huge plot twist that everyone saw coming. When Joker has shown that he has essentially flipped Jason, he asks him what is Batman's secret identity is. And just as Jason is about to reveal it, Joker "shoots him dead" saying "I always hate a tattle tale."
I find it ironic that Batman also knows The Joker’s real name, that he figured out who he was weeks after his first confrontation. He could tell his closest allies and The GCPD but he chooses not to. Not only because it wouldn’t matter but because it would endanger The Joker’s family.
I would also like to add that Joker's whole relationship with Batman's identity changes as The Batman series progresses; early on, there's an episode where the Riddler challenges Penguin and Joker to defeat and unmask Batman for the privilege of controlling the city, which Joker is totally on board with. But by the time we reach the episode mentioned in this video, the dynamic has changed so much that he's willing to take down other villains in order to preserve Batman's secret. I find that fascinating, and SO in character for him.
This reminds me of a moment in the "Generations" trilogy, set in a reality in which all characters age naturally, where a dying and elderly Joker asks Batman (at that time Bruce Wayne Jr.) as his last wish to reveal his secret identity to him, wanting to know if the man he faced for decades was always the same person. Unfortunately for him, Batman does not agree to his request, for which the clown prince of crime dies with genuine sadness, aware of how much he wasted his life.
That Bruce doesn’t get it yeah it would make sense not to tell joker but the dude is gonna die so why not at least give him something to laugh at that he nearly won and lost at the same time
@@levievil9220 It's the one time Batman can truly triumph over the Joker for good. That's one thing he will never get in the regular comics, because the Joker will always escape from Arkham and always terrorize again.
@@palladiamorsdeusbecause, they are just mirror images of the same thing. at one point, they were both normal people, but then they each had "one bad day" that changed the course of their lives forever. a little less willpower and love, and bruce could have been a mass murdering psychopath. perhaps with different circumstances, the joker could have come out of his bad day (whatever it may have been in whatever continuity, at the moment,) as a good person still. well, that and the fact that bruce has the compassion of a saint. he does not kill or cause permanent harm intentionally, and in general tries to make sure his foes get the kind of care/ help they need. i can see bruce giving joker this last request. i'm guessing jr didn't because he was not shaped by trauma the way his father was.
Imagine a parallel universe in which the Joker actually died forever in his first appearance, with the Mad Monk becoming Batman's nemesis instead. It would be TRULY an interesting reality
The Return of the Joker monologue is up there with the one bad day monologue. I love how much joy he gets from rubbing it in Batman face. “Behind all the stern and batarangs. You’re just a little boy in a play suit, crying for mommy and daddy. It be funny if it weren’t so pathetic. O what the hay, I’ll laugh anyway 🤣”
I truly find the "Death of the Family" interpretation of Joker's mad obsession having a Twinge of "Love" attached to it is my favorite interpretation next to the Version of Joker that goes literally Catatonic until he hears rumors Batman's return to the streets.
Keep in mind that Joker is one of the few villains who believes that Batman's superhero identity is his real identity while whoever is under the cape and cowl is a fake.
Yep! This is the big one that Joker spoke to at the end of The Dark Knight. They're both just freaks so it doesn't matter who is behind the paint and the mask.
Extra Irony for Return of the Joker: by the time Robin was broken, Joker had already placed the microchip that had his mind & personality installed. So, when he shot Joker, he wasn't breaking the control, "Joker" was killing the guy who knew who Batman was: Joker himself.
It’s kinda weird how one of the ways to beat joker is to just reveal Batman’s identity to him. Sure he will most likely kill you right afterwords but still he would get bored from being a villian.
I love the scene in The Batman TV show where the two try to tell Joker who Batman is, and he just responds with. "You think I care?" Before tossing in his gas grenades and closing the door.
There's probably a bit of professional courtesy involved. Every time batman fights a new villain, one of the first things he goes for is investigating/revealing the foe's true identity. There's no reason to believe he made any exception for Joker, and in some comic strips it's been noted that he knew Joker's true identity within weeks of encountering him. But since he doesn't really ever leak the Joker's identity to the public, maybe the Joker gives him the same treatment.
The details are vague on this, but I remember there was one time Batman had a card given to him from Joker to prove it was him or something. When Joker was locked up in Arkham, Bruce Wayne went to visit him and showed him the card and Joker just stared at the card, didn't look up to see who was holding it
The Dark Reflection trope is one of my favorite hero tropes, Wrath and Scorn are Dark Reflections of Batman and Robin, as are Owl Man and Talon. It's on my favorite list because it shows just how easy it could have been for the hero to go down the path of being a villain. And as for a suggestion regarding something different, it could be interesting to have a list of characters from comics, pop culture, and the like that inspired and influenced the incarnations of heroes like Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, Iron Man, and the like. For example, the Phantom is a surprising influence on the aesthetic for Batman and Spider-Man. The Phantom is a masked hero created by Lee Falk back in 1938, and is actually the earliest known case of a masked character having white in the eye section of the mask to help hide their identity, an aesthetic that was lifted directly to Batman, Spider-Man, and host of other well-known comic book characters; ironically, the Phantom is actually pretty obscure stateside, but he's really popular over in India and parts of Africa, he even had limited runs in Marvel and DC publications at one point, and one of the Marvel runs was even turned into an animated series back in the 1990s, The Phantom 2040, but the rights to the Phantom currently not with any of the big names in the US, last I checked. Amusingly, around the same time the animated series was airing, The Phantom also got a live-action movie with Billy Zane in the title role.
My favourite moment is from Grant Morrison's Arkham Asylum. Batman has surrendered to keep hostages safe. some of the other villains want to take off his mask to see his "real face" and the Joker stops them saying "don't be stupid, that is his real face."
I think, depending on the iteration, Joker sees himself as the friendly rival to batman. A ying-yang kinda thing. I would like to see a comic that has them bein friends as kids, with the main ways they became who they are, then in the end they find out who each other is and instead of a possible fight to the death they just let each other go and its just the same batman vs joker we all love
There was also the deadly duo, a story that literally consisted of joker working with batman so he could destroy evidence of Batman’s identity that was written by the person forcing them to work together. what’s cool about it is that you wouldn’t know about it until the end of the story where joker gives Batman a call letting him know he got rid of all the evidence of his identity and that he himself didn’t even look at it cuz it would ruin their fun.
There's also a flashback scene in Batman Arkham Knight were Joker has been torturing a Jason Todd(Who Batz thought was dead) for weeks on end to the point were he's so broken he nearly reveals Batman's identity just because Joker asked only to be seemingly shot dead by Joker himself who says he hates taddletales.
I feel you left out another Brave and the Bold episode. In the episode where he gained Batmite's reality warping powers and captured Batman with them, Harley asked if he was gonna take of his mask and learn Batman's true identity. To which he expressed disappointment and asked "where's the fun in that".
I think I have the comic the Joe Chill episode is based off lying around somewhere. Wasn't a bunch of Supervillains there, just some lesser criminals. and i think they just shot him a few times and left him to die instead of throwing a building at him. Still, nice to know that story got animated at some point
Here's another time where joker protected batman identity this one is the most recent one. In "batman and joker the deadly duo" a super villain discovers batman identity not gonna spoil who it is but essentially the joker finds out about this and teams up with batman in order to protect his identity. You go read Batman and joker the deadly duo its a 7 issue mini series that came out recently and I highly suggest you guys read it.
Am I the only one that thinks Jason's reason for targeting Batman made no sense? He blamed Batman for not saving him, even though he TURNED OFF HIS COMMUNICATIONS AND TRACKER!!
Batman TAS Ep Trial. Is where Batman got ambushed and put into trial by the Arkham Inmates and Batman's rogue gallery. Since the Joker Is the Judge he stalled for as long as he can for Batman to think for an escape.
on batman arkham knight joker asks jason todd in a flash back who is the batman and jason gets ready to tell joker then joker shoots jason todd and says “never could stand a tattle tail”.
It's pretty curious how they didn't adapt Jason in the DCAU because his story was considered too dark for a kids show, when what the Joker did to Tim in the Batman Beyond movie was far more disturbing than Jason's whole life...
Another Brave and the Bold moment had Joke with Bat Mites' power and having captured Batman. Harley asking the godlike Joker if he was going to find out who he was, Joker's response of 'and reduce my mortal enemy to a mere man? Harley, I'm so disappointed, where's the fun in that?' yes he's done some things to make sure others don't know but I prefer when he doesn't want to know either.
In the Batman beyond Joker return: Even learning Batman identity, he really didn't care, it was a footnote of besting Batman. He like fighting Batman vs joker as it is. Hence one reason why Terry as Batman was able to best the Joker for not taking part in "Joker game" seeing the crown prince of crime as just another criminal to be taken down.
That last one is actually pretty cool, its different because it doesn't necessarily romanticize his connection with batman but he manipulates everyone into not wanting to know. Therefore protecting batman without straight out lashing out and killing joe then and there while running the risk of getting ganged up by the other villains in the process too.
The Harley Quinn one I found funny mainly cause right after killing scarecrow, he goes on a tirade at Bruce about Waynetech’s electric car not being out yet and that he put a deposit down to buy one.
8:05 *Unpopular opinion:* I prefer the Damian Wayne of TBATB far more than his comic-book counterpart. In find his personality and personal conflicts much more interesting and tolerable than the annoying brat. Besides, I think a son of Batman should be of Catwoman, not Talia's
If I had a nickel for every time Joker protected Batman's identity, I would have five nickels, which isn't a lot but it's crazy that it's happened five times.
@@fuckthisstupidasshandleshit Hasn't met Batman yet (hell, Batman hasn't been created yet until the very end). Once the two meet and form their dynamic, that's when Joker obsesses over Batman to the point that the "no Batman means no Joker" line starts to take place.
If Batman threatened to reveal his own identity if the villains didn't cease their activities, Joker then targets all the other villains to keep the secret. Becoming Gothem's new protector. No, protector is the wrong word since he would wreck the other villains and hurt by standers in the process but it would then just be Batman and Joker, both prowling around, Joker keeping the other villains in check and Batman focused mostly just on Joker to stop him from going overboard.
There's no regret of finding out about Batman's true identity from the Joker in Return of the Joker. He only said it was anticlimactic. Plus in the BTAS episode "Trials", he and the other villains attempt to move his mask to find out who he really is and that also goes to the Strange Secret of Bruce Wayne with Two-Face and the Penguin so there's no standards. I'm sure that in the DCAU, Joker would tell everyone who Batman really is eventually after finding out and fulfilling his plans.
In Batman TAS Mad Love he also protected Batman's identity (well, sort of). Harley Quinn had him dangling head-down from a chain and the Joker punched her out of a window, basically because he couldn't live with being the boyfriend to the woman who killed Batman. Of course he then tried to kill Batman himself, but he never revealed the Bat's identity. But I personally think the times the Riddler actually protected Batman's identity are better. The Joker does it because he doesn't want the world to know, most of the time. The Riddler does it because he genuinely doesn't want to know, because "what good is a riddle when you know the answer".
In the game Arkham Knight we see a video/flashback of the Joker torturing Jason Todd. He has been doing this for awhile and asks Jason who Batman is. Jason finally gives in and as he is about to tell him, the joker shoots him dead saying nobody likes a tattletale
The weird part, NO ONE KNOWS JOKERS REAL NAME & PAST, NOT EVEN BATMAN.... Strange that is the one mystery that can never be solved by THE WORLD'S GREATEST DETECTIVE. An insane supervillain is created with unique skills in psychosis, weapons, chemistry, bio chemistry, biology, & beyond skills in tactical planning and no one knows his origin, and he specifically targets Batman. ???WHY???
0:35 if this is how Joker sees Batman, imagine how he sees mundane, ordinary people, let alone other freaks of Gotham like Two-Face or Dr. Pig or, fuck, Black Mask. now imagine how Superman and the rest of the JLA looks to his eyes and mind. I can't help but imagine he sees Wonderwoman as what would appropriately be a Titan of Greek Mythology, Superman as an extra-terrestrial jesus-like figure, but with qualities of a biblically accurate angel. He probably sees Aquaman as an Old One of Lovecraftian Mythos. Fuck, he probably sees The Flash as a living Lightning Bolt.
I'm surprised Arkham Knight didn't make the list. He did it twice in the game. First in video he sent to Bruce of Jason. He asked Jason who Batman was, and right as he's about to tell him, Joker shoots and seemingly kills Jason. Next is at the end of the game when Scarecrow demands Batman unmask to save Robin and Gordon. The figment of Joker in Bruce's begs him not to do it.
In batman arkham knight Joker asks jason what batman's name is but before jason could say anything the joker stops jason from telling by shooting him it is the last jason moment at the movie studio joker says he never liked spoilers
The three jokers finale is my favorite, when joker out right tells batman he knows who he and the bat family are, and continues to say he doesn't care and won't tell anyone just because he wants this cat and mouse game to continue until they can both die together In a Blaze of glory. Honorable mention Is new 52 joker 🃏 is met by Bruce Wayne and he knows but doesn't want to know the truth
The best joker might be the dark knight one but i honestly think the tell tail joker is the best telling of his backstory. i mean in that game you get to see him turn into the joker and its your falt if you let it happen. i dont think any other batman show or game has done it as well as that did.
Some times I wonder what would happen if comicbook joker was transported into the real world but with the same amount of plot armor he has in the comics
In "chill of the night" it's hintet that not the fight per se caused the building to fall right on top of chill and more because of the interference of Spectre.
What if the Joker tortured the Robins because they knew the identity of the Batman, and either out of jealousy, or preservation of the knowledge, he hurts them?
And a Warhammer reference from me: Ghazghkull Thraka, after receiving a good fight on Armageddon defeats Yarrick and captures him(Yarrick chased him down with some Black Templars) Thraka eventually let "ol bale eye" go, because, according to Thraka:"Good enemies, are hard to find" Joker finds Batman fun and entertaining in his own way.
Joker and Batman need each other. They are two sides of a coin. Joker is the ultimate person Batman want's to save, yet in Arkham City when Joker dies, it cripples Batman. Carrying Jokers body out and placing it on Gordon's cop car wrecks Batman. When Joker died, a part of Batman died, the one who Batman feels needed Batman's help most, died, he failed to ever "help" Joker. While on the flip side, Joker needs Batman, we saw in TAS when Joker thinks Batman really died, he's devastated, he does a funeral for Batman and everything, we also have seen Joker go docile when Batman "retires" in The Dark Knight Returns.
If you look at 1:32 and 1:33 you can see the animators switch between Batmans chin and Bruces chin, i remember noticing the difference early in the show, with Batman having a big ol' jawline and Bruce having a narrower pointed jaw. In between two frames here they jaw literally snaps from Batman to Bruce, and I always thought that was hilarious.
This is a awesome video!! Great Job as always, but here's an interesting idea for a new video. "All the Times the Joker Faced-Off Against Non-Bat Family Superheroes."
Monkey D Luffy is the same way. He's all about the fun of the adventure, and not only refuses offers of info about whats coming up in the grand line, but edges on losing his temper even if one of his teammates asks about such information.
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I like it whenever Joker supports Batman solely on the basis of "HE IS MY PLAYTHING AND NO ONE WILL DESTROY OUR MAGIC".
More like lover
Lover
Yea joker is secretly gay
@@WestCoastCheeseHeadDon't make Batman go the same way as Bud Light. Let people have nice things.
@@GetDougDimmadomed Grow up.
My favorite time is in the Batman issue #1000 where the Penguins talks about he always knew Batman identity after a villains meeting to discuss who it is. In said meeting most of them almost piece it together until the Joker goes out of his way to make the idea of Bruce being Batman as extremely absurd. Which is one of the more subtle ways he’s protected his identity.
It's kinda funny because it's not even a difficult argument to make for a sane person. The whole idea that Bruce Wayne of all people is Batman is rather ridiculous when you think about it from the perspective of someone who would be living in Gotham, knowing only what ordinary people would know about him. The only thing that would be a potential link to Batman would be the fact that Bruce is rich, but he's hardly the only rich person in Gotham. Bruce is also a big money donor, but other than that he doesn't really come off as the heroic type and certainly doesn't seem like someone who would win a lot of fist fights. There's also the fact that Batman doesn't even necessarily need to be rich, he just needs a source of funding. It wouldn't be an unfair assumption for a citizen of Gotham to make that Batman is government funded, especially when Batman is working together with the police. This only further eliminates Bruce Wayne from the suspect pool. Literally the only reason why we in the real world see Batman's identity as Bruce Wayne as obvious is because we view his world through his eyes, with his knowledge about his own secret identity.
While it would've been satisfying to have him kill Penguin I like when the Joker shows his smart cunning side
@@Crow_Risingyou've just reminded me of a series of Tumblr posts where people argued as if they were people in the DC universe trying to work it out.
Ultimately, they came to the conclusion that Bruce Wayne is Superman, and that one reporter from Metropolis that gets all those good stories is probably Batman.
@@Crow_Rising Not really. Someone could look at Bruce Wayne and see they have the same body type and height as Batman. Bruce Wayne is 6'2" at 240 lbs according to Justice League cartoon so he's pretty athletic, muscular and isn't fat or old like a lot of rich people. Bruce Wayne has competed in race car driving so he could be seen as someone that could chase down criminals in a bat mobile everyday. Batman doesn't cover his mouth area so it can be deduced that he's a white male. Someone can take pictures of Bruce Wayne and Batman to compare their mouths like Bane did in Arkham Origins. Batman has been shot at multiple times by police as a vigilante starting out so it can be seen he's not funded by the government. If someone couldn't deduce that Bruce Wayne is Batman then they could at least figure that Wayne Enterprise is giving him gadgets, cars, jets, etc. funding him and that Bruce Wayne is at least connected to Batman. There's also the case of Batman leaving DNA somewhere like blood, sweat, etc. and villain or Police Department finding that DNA to see that Bruce Wayne is Batman. Overall, Bruce Wayne is a big candidate to be viewed as possibly being Batman in that world cause he's rich and could afford all of Batman's expensive jets, cars, gadgets, etc., is a white male and that they have the same body type.
@@daniel5913I have some ideas of a Batman that would be extremely hard to find out. That guy wear Batman Beyond suit (both comic and Arkham knight version are OK) as Batman. Both suits are strong as hell, and cover his mouth, so the mouths and DNA problems are all gone. (Comic ver is fucked up by author's inconsistency tho. One panel, it can withstand rocket without a single scratch, but on another, it got cut by a normal knife, and got damaged by Bane's venom users.) He hides or fakes his real body shape as his civilian *personas* . One of his identities obviously is a rich dude. Yeah, Moon Knight reference.
Joker asking Bruce where his electric car he pre ordered was has got to be one of the funniest lines I've ever heard. The transition from villain to disgruntled customer is perfect.
In the comics, Batman once told the Joker his identity while the Joker was in Arkham. The Joker’s insanity keeps that memory repressed.
Didn’t he go into Arkham as Bruce Wayne after joker put a joker card on the bat boat when he found the cave
@@102-d7i - Yes, and Joker just ignores him. Bruce theorizes that Joker's madness prevents him from seeing Batman as a man, or something like that...
@@randallflagg3700 yeah, he refuses to acknowledge Bruce Wayne as it’d ruin his fun. Same reason he won’t ever reveal Batmans identity
Seems out of character for Batman what would make Batman reveal his identity to any villain ?
@@Mohamad-m7md Joker already found the batcave and after finding that it wouldn’t be too difficult to work out it’s under Wayne Manor
The Three Jokers story would also be a great example of Joker protecting Batman's identity. In this story, the mad villain kidnaps Joe Chill to force Batman to rescue him and put aside the trauma that the criminal caused him with the murder of his parents, revealing later that he knows Bruce's identity, but doesn't plan to reveal it to anyone, as he wants to be Batman's only big trauma.
I loved the ending of that story, was somewhat surprised when joker revealed he knew
Didn’t joker already know though? Like when the Batman who laughs showed up and joker swam his ass through the caves into the bat cave.
@@Jester_Jingles Joker found the batcave not long after him and batman met, he left a joker card at the batboat then Bruce Wayne went into Arkham and showed joker it but he just ignored him
@@102-d7i yeah cause joker only cares about the Batman part. But the run you’re talking about was a few years before the one I’m talking about. In the run I’m talking about the Batman who laughs freaks out joker so much he goes to Batman and shoots himself in the chest to joker toxin Batman with a toxin that makes you like joker. He did this in the batcave. He saw Alfred.
@@Jester_Jingles ahhh I know which story ur talking about, I’m pretty sure that story is also linked to the one I’m talking about since bruce says something like “only 1 man has gotten into the cave this way before” before lowering the water levels
"Where's my goddamn electric car, Bruce?" Joker doesn't care that he found out Batman is Bruce Wayne. He just wants his electric car from WayneTech 😂.
That was classic 😂😂
What makes it even funnier. The Joker PRE-ORDERED a car. He bought a car. And yeah. I'd be pissed too, lol.
He did put a deposit down
“You blew it up with the warehouse last month, Arthur!”
"Chill of the Night" is probably the most underrated Batman story ever written. Batman finally confronting the man who ruined his life and revealing him that he created with his egoistical acts the monster that got rid of Gotham's evil is simply EPIC
it was also great to see the dynamic between the Spectre and Phantom Stranger. Spectre wants Batman to kill Joe Chill while PS wants to choose justice. But even tho Batman spares Chill. The Spectre still made sure Chill died at the end so in a way. It was the Spectre who protected Batman's identity. Tho Joker still played a hand in it because thanks Joker causing the building to collapse. It helped the Spectre made it look like it was an accident.
Joker is that guy who doesn't want a movie or show to end.
To Joker, the fun is in the chase, never in the finish or the ending.
The true fun is the friend-enemies we made along the way
Joker is a One Piece fan.
@@niceguyofgames9490 When secrets are revealed it removes all the fun from them. Which is why mystery games, or people that make mysteries never reveal the entire thing, because if they did, most people would find out that its not really all that special. We like imagining a what if scenario, when its answered rarely does that benefit our psyche.
To quote joker himself “Without Batman, crime has no punchline
Moral of the story: If Joker hears that someone knows Batman’s identity, he will do anything to keep it a secret as he will either beat them or kill them.
In the Batman cartoon when Batman and Robin took down Wrath and Scorn They attempted to tell Joker they knew Batman's secret identity but he was having none of it he just threw a gastronaid into the back of the police fan and hit them both with laughing toxin before shouting to the Dark Knight "destroying you is my game and I won't have anyone stealing my fun."
If you contrast that with the Harley Quinn cartoon had it ruined for him scarecrow ruined it where Scarecrow unmasked Batman and basically ruined the game it's not surprising Joker would turn around and kill scarecrow.
@@mrheroprimes True
He can’t kill 80% of the rogues gallery
@@IskandarTheWack I never said he should kill 80% of the rogues gallery. I was just saying that because of the video.
@@rainbowdragon168 I'm saying he can't, not that he shouldn't.
I think this is why I like the Joker. Even though he is Batman's greatest arch-nemesis, he goes to great lengths to make sure that absolutely nobody ever comes close to uncovering his favorite hero's identity as it would ruin their interaction and the dynamic energy they share. I love it so much.
“The bat is my dance partner. Mine alone. He is my toy and I don’t ‘share’.”
How could you leave out Batman Arkham Knight? At the end of the Harley mission at Panessa Studios, the mental echo of Joker inside Bruce's mind is showing him (and the player/audience) what happened with Jason Todd, which is supposed to be the big hint of the huge plot twist that everyone saw coming. When Joker has shown that he has essentially flipped Jason, he asks him what is Batman's secret identity is. And just as Jason is about to reveal it, Joker "shoots him dead" saying "I always hate a tattle tale."
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Joker's relationship with Batman is one of the most interesting hero-villain relationships in fiction.
I agree. Without Batman, there is no Joker.
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I find it ironic that Batman also knows The Joker’s real name, that he figured out who he was weeks after his first confrontation. He could tell his closest allies and The GCPD but he chooses not to. Not only because it wouldn’t matter but because it would endanger The Joker’s family.
I'm not a fan of batman knowing who joker is it ruins the mystery
@@dylanbyrne9597No
@@dylanbyrne9597 Not a big fan of it either. I like Joker being a walking enigma that Batman can never figure out.
@@dylanbyrne9597 And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why the Joker doesn't want to know Batman identity.
@@toumabyakuya I don't know if that is a compliment or not
I would also like to add that Joker's whole relationship with Batman's identity changes as The Batman series progresses; early on, there's an episode where the Riddler challenges Penguin and Joker to defeat and unmask Batman for the privilege of controlling the city, which Joker is totally on board with. But by the time we reach the episode mentioned in this video, the dynamic has changed so much that he's willing to take down other villains in order to preserve Batman's secret. I find that fascinating, and SO in character for him.
Joker doesn't like getting spoiled.
Funny, one of his enemies is The Spoiler.
Yo it's too you again
This reminds me of a moment in the "Generations" trilogy, set in a reality in which all characters age naturally, where a dying and elderly Joker asks Batman (at that time Bruce Wayne Jr.) as his last wish to reveal his secret identity to him, wanting to know if the man he faced for decades was always the same person. Unfortunately for him, Batman does not agree to his request, for which the clown prince of crime dies with genuine sadness, aware of how much he wasted his life.
That Bruce doesn’t get it yeah it would make sense not to tell joker but the dude is gonna die so why not at least give him something to laugh at that he nearly won and lost at the same time
@@levievil9220 It's the one time Batman can truly triumph over the Joker for good. That's one thing he will never get in the regular comics, because the Joker will always escape from Arkham and always terrorize again.
@@MyRegardsToTheDodoThis. Joker is a mass murdering psychopath, why would Batman give him ANY solace?
@@palladiamorsdeusbecause, they are just mirror images of the same thing. at one point, they were both normal people, but then they each had "one bad day" that changed the course of their lives forever.
a little less willpower and love, and bruce could have been a mass murdering psychopath. perhaps with different circumstances, the joker could have come out of his bad day (whatever it may have been in whatever continuity, at the moment,) as a good person still.
well, that and the fact that bruce has the compassion of a saint. he does not kill or cause permanent harm intentionally, and in general tries to make sure his foes get the kind of care/ help they need.
i can see bruce giving joker this last request. i'm guessing jr didn't because he was not shaped by trauma the way his father was.
Imagine a parallel universe in which the Joker actually died forever in his first appearance, with the Mad Monk becoming Batman's nemesis instead. It would be TRULY an interesting reality
Batman battling a vampireforever?
I feel like Scarecrow would be his nemesis since they're both masters of fear.
@@SirDankleberrybut he lack the opposite dichotomy that joker has with batman.
@@mikeval1525did the joker start out as Batman's opposite?
You know, since it's essentially an infinite multiverse, somewhere out there is a universe where Batman's greatest enemy is Condiment King
The Return of the Joker monologue is up there with the one bad day monologue. I love how much joy he gets from rubbing it in Batman face. “Behind all the stern and batarangs. You’re just a little boy in a play suit, crying for mommy and daddy. It be funny if it weren’t so pathetic. O what the hay, I’ll laugh anyway 🤣”
I truly find the "Death of the Family" interpretation of Joker's mad obsession having a Twinge of "Love" attached to it is my favorite interpretation next to the Version of Joker that goes literally Catatonic until he hears rumors Batman's return to the streets.
Keep in mind that Joker is one of the few villains who believes that Batman's superhero identity is his real identity while whoever is under the cape and cowl is a fake.
Yep! This is the big one that Joker spoke to at the end of The Dark Knight. They're both just freaks so it doesn't matter who is behind the paint and the mask.
And let's be honest, Joker's totally right. Batman is his true identity and Bruce is just acting when he's out and about as the billionaire playboy.
That's something Bruce himself occasionally agrees with.
I’m more inclined to agree with Harvey. Both sides make the whole. Burn Bruce, and you get a “pure” Batman, otherwise known as Zur-en-Ahh (spelling?).
Extra Irony for Return of the Joker: by the time Robin was broken, Joker had already placed the microchip that had his mind & personality installed. So, when he shot Joker, he wasn't breaking the control, "Joker" was killing the guy who knew who Batman was: Joker himself.
It’s kinda weird how one of the ways to beat joker is to just reveal Batman’s identity to him.
Sure he will most likely kill you right afterwords but still he would get bored from being a villian.
Joker's feelings towards batman are literally "I could just kill you right now but you Living is just too much fun for me" 😈
I love the scene in The Batman TV show where the two try to tell Joker who Batman is, and he just responds with. "You think I care?" Before tossing in his gas grenades and closing the door.
There's probably a bit of professional courtesy involved. Every time batman fights a new villain, one of the first things he goes for is investigating/revealing the foe's true identity. There's no reason to believe he made any exception for Joker, and in some comic strips it's been noted that he knew Joker's true identity within weeks of encountering him. But since he doesn't really ever leak the Joker's identity to the public, maybe the Joker gives him the same treatment.
R.I.P Kevin Conroy's Batman 🦇 November 30 1955-November 10 2022
He’s part of the Night sky nowadays always vigilant.
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Fun fact: Heath kinda improvised the "got these scars" scene. Thats why that actress looked scared, she actually was.
I still think that the single funniest thing Harley Quinn's show did is have the Joker legitimately get Bruce Wayne arrested for Tax evasion! XD
In an alternate universe Joker himself says that he's crazy enough to take on Batman, but even he won't go against the I.R.S.
@@VegetaLF7 that’s not an alternate universe, that’s Batman the Animated series.
@treybrzezowski3259 thats an alternate universe compared to the Harley quinn show
@@Awesomeness4627 Fair enough
@@VegetaLF7 The IRS doesn't care if you're insane or not, they want their money and they'll get it
The details are vague on this, but I remember there was one time Batman had a card given to him from Joker to prove it was him or something. When Joker was locked up in Arkham, Bruce Wayne went to visit him and showed him the card and Joker just stared at the card, didn't look up to see who was holding it
"It can't be."
"Oh no, your eyes do not deceive you, Brucey. After all, who'd know me better than you?"
The Dark Reflection trope is one of my favorite hero tropes, Wrath and Scorn are Dark Reflections of Batman and Robin, as are Owl Man and Talon. It's on my favorite list because it shows just how easy it could have been for the hero to go down the path of being a villain.
And as for a suggestion regarding something different, it could be interesting to have a list of characters from comics, pop culture, and the like that inspired and influenced the incarnations of heroes like Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, Iron Man, and the like. For example, the Phantom is a surprising influence on the aesthetic for Batman and Spider-Man. The Phantom is a masked hero created by Lee Falk back in 1938, and is actually the earliest known case of a masked character having white in the eye section of the mask to help hide their identity, an aesthetic that was lifted directly to Batman, Spider-Man, and host of other well-known comic book characters; ironically, the Phantom is actually pretty obscure stateside, but he's really popular over in India and parts of Africa, he even had limited runs in Marvel and DC publications at one point, and one of the Marvel runs was even turned into an animated series back in the 1990s, The Phantom 2040, but the rights to the Phantom currently not with any of the big names in the US, last I checked. Amusingly, around the same time the animated series was airing, The Phantom also got a live-action movie with Billy Zane in the title role.
My favourite moment is from Grant Morrison's Arkham Asylum. Batman has surrendered to keep hostages safe.
some of the other villains want to take off his mask to see his "real face" and the Joker stops them saying "don't be stupid, that is his real face."
*Joker has committed his “Villain Certificate” and “Villain Membership”.*
I think, depending on the iteration, Joker sees himself as the friendly rival to batman. A ying-yang kinda thing.
I would like to see a comic that has them bein friends as kids, with the main ways they became who they are, then in the end they find out who each other is and instead of a possible fight to the death they just let each other go and its just the same batman vs joker we all love
This is one of the only times Joker's obsession with Batman is a good thing
There was also the deadly duo, a story that literally consisted of joker working with batman so he could destroy evidence of Batman’s identity that was written by the person forcing them to work together. what’s cool about it is that you wouldn’t know about it until the end of the story where joker gives Batman a call letting him know he got rid of all the evidence of his identity and that he himself didn’t even look at it cuz it would ruin their fun.
don't think I've read that one, I'll have to give it a look in, thanks for adding it though
There's also a flashback scene in Batman Arkham Knight were Joker has been torturing a Jason Todd(Who Batz thought was dead) for weeks on end to the point were he's so broken he nearly reveals Batman's identity just because Joker asked only to be seemingly shot dead by Joker himself who says he hates taddletales.
I'm glad The Batman has started getting love in recent years. It's a criminally underrated Batman iteration.
I feel you left out another Brave and the Bold episode. In the episode where he gained Batmite's reality warping powers and captured Batman with them, Harley asked if he was gonna take of his mask and learn Batman's true identity. To which he expressed disappointment and asked "where's the fun in that".
"WHERE IS MY GOD DAMN ELECTRIC CAR, BRUCE?!"
Batman's Joker hallucination from Arkham Knight should be on here. Joker literally shot Jason Todd before he revealed Batman's identity.
I think I have the comic the Joe Chill episode is based off lying around somewhere.
Wasn't a bunch of Supervillains there, just some lesser criminals. and i think they just shot him a few times and left him to die instead of throwing a building at him.
Still, nice to know that story got animated at some point
Here's another time where joker protected batman identity this one is the most recent one. In "batman and joker the deadly duo" a super villain discovers batman identity not gonna spoil who it is but essentially the joker finds out about this and teams up with batman in order to protect his identity. You go read Batman and joker the deadly duo its a 7 issue mini series that came out recently and I highly suggest you guys read it.
I still find it insane that the Joker not only became Mayor in the Harley Quinn show, but actually arrested Bruce Wayne for tax evasion
In Arkham Knights, when Jason was gonna reveal Batman's identity, Joker just shot him even though Jason was already broken
Am I the only one that thinks Jason's reason for targeting Batman made no sense? He blamed Batman for not saving him, even though he TURNED OFF HIS COMMUNICATIONS AND TRACKER!!
@@beavers1978 it's not just that. Joker manipulated Jason into thinking Batman replaced him as if he meant nothing to Batman.
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To be fair The Joker did brainwash Jason to go after Batman
In the Dark Knight, Joker tried to carve Batman's face with a knife before Commissioner Gordon caught him.
That's because the joker already knows who's batman is, but he doesn't want to ruin his reality
Batman TAS Ep Trial. Is where Batman got ambushed and put into trial by the Arkham Inmates and Batman's rogue gallery. Since the Joker Is the Judge he stalled for as long as he can for Batman to think for an escape.
Harley: "Aw, but I wanna know who he is, sweetie!" Joker: "No one's who you think they are, my dear. Why spoil the fun?"
Joker is the chaos gremlin boyfriend keeping the secret that his boyfriend is a furry
on batman arkham knight joker asks jason todd in a flash back who is the batman and jason gets ready to tell joker then joker shoots jason todd and says “never could stand a tattle tail”.
It's pretty curious how they didn't adapt Jason in the DCAU because his story was considered too dark for a kids show, when what the Joker did to Tim in the Batman Beyond movie was far more disturbing than Jason's whole life...
Tim still lived, and Jason wasn't really popular.
movie vs tv censors
movies can get away with more than tv shows
Those were both movies, so your point makes no sense.
@@Fawkes2574 What were both movies?
Another Brave and the Bold moment had Joke with Bat Mites' power and having captured Batman. Harley asking the godlike Joker if he was going to find out who he was, Joker's response of 'and reduce my mortal enemy to a mere man? Harley, I'm so disappointed, where's the fun in that?' yes he's done some things to make sure others don't know but I prefer when he doesn't want to know either.
In the Batman beyond Joker return: Even learning Batman identity, he really didn't care, it was a footnote of besting Batman. He like fighting Batman vs joker as it is.
Hence one reason why Terry as Batman was able to best the Joker for not taking part in "Joker game" seeing the crown prince of crime as just another criminal to be taken down.
That last one is actually pretty cool, its different because it doesn't necessarily romanticize his connection with batman but he manipulates everyone into not wanting to know. Therefore protecting batman without straight out lashing out and killing joe then and there while running the risk of getting ganged up by the other villains in the process too.
"Where's my electric car BRUCE?"
Also in Arkham Knight during one of the torture scenes he asks Jason who Batman is, then immediately shoots him.
The freeze frame at 1:01 is crazy
Joker also protects his identity in Arkham City when Harley Quinn wants to take his mask off
The Harley Quinn one I found funny mainly cause right after killing scarecrow, he goes on a tirade at Bruce about Waynetech’s electric car not being out yet and that he put a deposit down to buy one.
Joker protecting Batman identity
Kinda ironic and just weird than again joker biggest fear is being forgotten
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*Unpopular opinion:* I prefer the Damian Wayne of TBATB far more than his comic-book counterpart. In find his personality and personal conflicts much more interesting and tolerable than the annoying brat. Besides, I think a son of Batman should be of Catwoman, not Talia's
Joker Has Always Been Seen As A Somewhat Crazy Fun-loving Man-child In Whatever Serious Situations He Get His Ass Involved In.
If I had a nickel for every time Joker protected Batman's identity, I would have five nickels, which isn't a lot but it's crazy that it's happened five times.
Batman is perfectly saying I am perfectly fine
Joker: "See Batsy, I'm a big fan of a little thing called Nord VPN, think of me as your VPN"
In one of the comics he even finds the entrance of the Batcave by holding on to the bat boat. But halfway he decided to turn back.
Fun fact: Joker stole Scarecrow's fear toxin and mixed it with Kryptonits and used on Superman in Injustice.
for me the batman moment was my favorite maybe because I grew up with that show version of the characters.
Joker and Batman is like an unbreakable duo. One cant be without the other.
Personally I like the Dark Knight one, it sounds like a crap reason but it’s just done really well. Great video man
Without Batman, there is no Joker.
Joker (2019)
@@fuckthisstupidasshandleshit Hasn't met Batman yet (hell, Batman hasn't been created yet until the very end). Once the two meet and form their dynamic, that's when Joker obsesses over Batman to the point that the "no Batman means no Joker" line starts to take place.
@@VegetaLF7 So? I've still proved them wrong.
Edit: To futher prove the point, Joker still existed after Batman died on Earth-Two.
Without batman, crime has no punchline.
Imagine if batman uses his own identity as a threat to stop joker from hurting people
If Batman threatened to reveal his own identity if the villains didn't cease their activities, Joker then targets all the other villains to keep the secret. Becoming Gothem's new protector. No, protector is the wrong word since he would wreck the other villains and hurt by standers in the process but it would then just be Batman and Joker, both prowling around, Joker keeping the other villains in check and Batman focused mostly just on Joker to stop him from going overboard.
@@davidrutherford6311 That actually sounds like an incredible what if story to explore one day.
There's no regret of finding out about Batman's true identity from the Joker in Return of the Joker. He only said it was anticlimactic. Plus in the BTAS episode "Trials", he and the other villains attempt to move his mask to find out who he really is and that also goes to the Strange Secret of Bruce Wayne with Two-Face and the Penguin so there's no standards. I'm sure that in the DCAU, Joker would tell everyone who Batman really is eventually after finding out and fulfilling his plans.
In Batman TAS Mad Love he also protected Batman's identity (well, sort of). Harley Quinn had him dangling head-down from a chain and the Joker punched her out of a window, basically because he couldn't live with being the boyfriend to the woman who killed Batman. Of course he then tried to kill Batman himself, but he never revealed the Bat's identity.
But I personally think the times the Riddler actually protected Batman's identity are better. The Joker does it because he doesn't want the world to know, most of the time. The Riddler does it because he genuinely doesn't want to know, because "what good is a riddle when you know the answer".
In the game Arkham Knight we see a video/flashback of the Joker torturing Jason Todd. He has been doing this for awhile and asks Jason who Batman is. Jason finally gives in and as he is about to tell him, the joker shoots him dead saying nobody likes a tattletale
I think in the Dark Knight Returns Joker knows Batman's secret Identity also
I have video idea “What Lantern Core should each alternate Spider-Man be in”
Think he did that video 4 years ago.
The weird part, NO ONE KNOWS JOKERS REAL NAME & PAST, NOT EVEN BATMAN....
Strange that is the one mystery that can never be solved by THE WORLD'S GREATEST DETECTIVE. An insane supervillain is created with unique skills in psychosis, weapons, chemistry, bio chemistry, biology, & beyond skills in tactical planning and no one knows his origin, and he specifically targets Batman. ???WHY???
Where's my-god-damn electric car, BRUCE?
0:35 if this is how Joker sees Batman, imagine how he sees mundane, ordinary people, let alone other freaks of Gotham like Two-Face or Dr. Pig or, fuck, Black Mask. now imagine how Superman and the rest of the JLA looks to his eyes and mind. I can't help but imagine he sees Wonderwoman as what would appropriately be a Titan of Greek Mythology, Superman as an extra-terrestrial jesus-like figure, but with qualities of a biblically accurate angel. He probably sees Aquaman as an Old One of Lovecraftian Mythos. Fuck, he probably sees The Flash as a living Lightning Bolt.
I'm surprised Arkham Knight didn't make the list. He did it twice in the game. First in video he sent to Bruce of Jason. He asked Jason who Batman was, and right as he's about to tell him, Joker shoots and seemingly kills Jason.
Next is at the end of the game when Scarecrow demands Batman unmask to save Robin and Gordon. The figment of Joker in Bruce's begs him not to do it.
In batman arkham knight Joker asks jason what batman's name is but before jason could say anything the joker stops jason from telling by shooting him it is the last jason moment at the movie studio joker says he never liked spoilers
The three jokers finale is my favorite, when joker out right tells batman he knows who he and the bat family are, and continues to say he doesn't care and won't tell anyone just because he wants this cat and mouse game to continue until they can both die together In a Blaze of glory. Honorable mention Is new 52 joker 🃏 is met by Bruce Wayne and he knows but doesn't want to know the truth
*5:49** Actually is implied that the gas killed Wrath & Scorn so...*
_Not very tv-y7_
The best joker might be the dark knight one but i honestly think the tell tail joker is the best telling of his backstory. i mean in that game you get to see him turn into the joker and its your falt if you let it happen. i dont think any other batman show or game has done it as well as that did.
I would like to see which Invincible characters would get a Lantern Corps ring
Some times I wonder what would happen if comicbook joker was transported into the real world but with the same amount of plot armor he has in the comics
We're fucked.
He'd be an unstoppable force that no military could defeat
Guys. Batman's secret identity is...
In "chill of the night" it's hintet that not the fight per se caused the building to fall right on top of chill and more because of the interference of Spectre.
What if the Joker tortured the Robins because they knew the identity of the Batman, and either out of jealousy, or preservation of the knowledge, he hurts them?
Ah joker got that will smith energy
"Keep my batman identity out your freaking mouth"
Have you ever thought of doing a Lantern Corps video centered around the X-Men?
And a Warhammer reference from me: Ghazghkull Thraka, after receiving a good fight on Armageddon defeats Yarrick and captures him(Yarrick chased him down with some Black Templars) Thraka eventually let "ol bale eye" go, because, according to Thraka:"Good enemies, are hard to find" Joker finds Batman fun and entertaining in his own way.
Love your videos needle mouse ❤ you have such a calming and relaxing voice
Joker and Batman need each other. They are two sides of a coin. Joker is the ultimate person Batman want's to save, yet in Arkham City when Joker dies, it cripples Batman. Carrying Jokers body out and placing it on Gordon's cop car wrecks Batman. When Joker died, a part of Batman died, the one who Batman feels needed Batman's help most, died, he failed to ever "help" Joker. While on the flip side, Joker needs Batman, we saw in TAS when Joker thinks Batman really died, he's devastated, he does a funeral for Batman and everything, we also have seen Joker go docile when Batman "retires" in The Dark Knight Returns.
If you look at 1:32 and 1:33 you can see the animators switch between Batmans chin and Bruces chin, i remember noticing the difference early in the show, with Batman having a big ol' jawline and Bruce having a narrower pointed jaw. In between two frames here they jaw literally snaps from Batman to Bruce, and I always thought that was hilarious.
This is a awesome video!! Great Job as always, but here's an interesting idea for a new video. "All the Times the Joker Faced-Off Against Non-Bat Family Superheroes."
Jason’s torture
Monkey D Luffy is the same way. He's all about the fun of the adventure, and not only refuses offers of info about whats coming up in the grand line, but edges on losing his temper even if one of his teammates asks about such information.