"You kill me you start a war!" You literally shot four arrows into him a couple of moments ago don't talk to him like he's some maniac trying to start war.
And fuck that daughter man. I mean seriously the daughter tries to stop her father from killing the person who stole her from her father and almost killed him. Bitch was fucking stupid
If im correct, helm killed his father who demanded helm to marry his daughter with his son, helm refused and killed the father and i guess thats also why he killed helm besides for marrying helm's daughter
@A ziri i dont think its in sauron's nature to meet with brute force every time. hes not like morgoth and in front of ar-pharazon's entire army i don't think he could've won
Yeah, that is Ar-Pharazon alright. Very Numenorean designs on the soldiers as well. Why they didn't go all out and call him Ar-Pharazon or at least "The Golden" or something like that... I don't know.
Except Suladan is a Haradrim general. He was slain at the battle of Pellenor fields though, so it fits into the lore as well as the other two Nazgul they gave backstories to in this game
masteroftheassassins well these are not the real nazgul stories but just made up for the game. In the books we only know of the witch king of angmar and “the shadow of the east” Khamul which was an easterling king
Julian Smit Well the first guy shown was a King of Numenor, he was so powerfull that when he brought his mighty host to Mordor Saurons host just ran away.
2:11 Feels weird coming back to this after just having watched LOTR: War of the Rohirrim. WoTR and SoW's interpretations of how this incident went down are...very different.
... While that was not how Tolkien wrote Helm Hammerhand's story, Helm going berserk and slaughtering people in a fit of rage is more or less entirely in character for him.
He's pretty cool in War of the Rohirrim too. Dude literally stalks through the snow killing Dunlendings with his bare hands, to the point that they think he's some kind of undead wraith.
He's pretty cool in War of the Rohirrim too. Dude literally stalks through the snow killing Dunlendings with his bare hands, to the point that they think he's some kind of undead wraith.
Anthony Johnson Not at all. This is just a case of bad writing. If they wanted to make a tragic. Helm shouldn't have been betrayed. And Helm shouldn't have won.
@@johnnykest You literally just described why it is tragic, because Sauron gave him the power to take back his daughter, but he killed her in the process. “I’ve won but at what cost?” Is literally the archetype of tragic stories. Why are you presenting this as some kind of contradiction when it’s not?
Yeah, Helm was famed for killing entire camps of Dunlendings with his bare hands when they besieged the Hornburg. Also, the guy who kidnapped and married his daughter, Wulf, watched his father Freca die in a single punch from Helm.
Helm's daughter, oh boy i hate characters like that, her logic was literally only this "this man assassinated my father and took me against my will but i'm gonna marry him anyways and then defend him against my own father, but better yet i'm gonna stand in front of his attack to protect that said man who attacked my father and forced me to marry him."
I got the impression that he actually fell for him as it shows Helm got back to his deathbed so he was out of the picture for a long time, possibly incapacitated. How she yells out, "Father No!" and "Please don't fight him" to her husband says either Stockholm Syndrome or she wanted to run away with him.
No pinhead, she tried to stop her father because feared for his safety. He kills the guy that took his daughter and war breaks out, killing countless of innocent people.
@@imgod3047 Bruh they were past the first steps of "starting a war" after the king was SHOT WITH 7 ARROWS AND HIS DAUGHTER KIDNAP. The daughter is a idiot thinking war wouldn't happen, and the guy who kidnapped her got what he deserved.
@@randeli7785 Attempting to stop two kings from fighting is never dumb. From here perspective he could be still gravely injured from the arrows, so if a real war starts he'd actually be dead. Looking at the bigger picture is if they fight both nations go to war and that puts EVERYONE in danger. It just never mattered what either party wanted since Sauron infected the rings so her father went berserk.
@@foolslayer9416 I'm pretty sure this version of Helm Hammerhand is not canon.... Tolkien's version was too a badass and was given the name Hammerhand because he could literally kill his enemies with a single blow with his bare fists
Yes this does break much of the lore of the novels. But I can't help but love what they have done with these moments as they flesh out Middle Earth cinematically even more and makes it feel just more special. I mean I personally will never forget Helm Hammerhand after seeing how tragic his story is in this.
@Mike Marlowe the 7 rings that were made for dwarves did affect them.... I remember reading somewhere that the will of the dwarves was not as weak as men and therefore they did not turn into Nazguls but they started growing more and more greedy and began hoarding gold beyond all measure.... Moria had literal halls filled with nothing but gold, silver and priceless diamonds. This greed is what led to their downfall as Saruman recites in Fellowship of the Ring movie, "The dwarves delved too greedily and too deep" and this is how they accidentally awoke a Balrog which killed Durin VI and drove the Dwarves out of Moria.... Same went with Erebor (Thror, the king under the mountain, also had a ring) as they too had hoards of Gold which attracted Smaug and the firedrake too forced the dwarves to abandon Erebor... I don't know how the rings affected the elves so yeah
@@nilubensonofnimruzir1637 I imagine bare hands wouldn't work when you're in battle and your enemies are fighting with swords, axes, maces, spears and shields, so a warhammer would be handy for battle.
Sure it's not Tolkien Lore, but it's entertaining. Suladan seems to be a Numenor King, loved some of the designs so I hope we get another game, maybe branch away from the Assassin's Creed nature and more into the managing an army/fortresses etc. Maybe a story with a choice? That'd be cool.
He's a real Character in the lore of Tolkien.. but this is just a horrible representation of him.. he wasn't a Nazgul and he never was given a ring . He was a King of Rohan who fended off the Dunlainders and orcs at Hornberg and would go around killing them off by himself and made then afraid of him because of his strength, he ended up freezing to death one night but Rohan defeated the two armies and the Hornberg was named Helm's Deep after their fallen King
Yea it would've been cool if Tolkein and Jackson added that into the Lord of the Rings trilogy like there's some scenes where Aragorn gets attacked by a Nazgul but it hesitates to kill him and then we later find out why because that Ringwraith is Aragorn's ancestor Isildur and it would've been cool if Aragorn fought him the final battle at the Black Gate.
"if you kill me, you will start a war" I knew I recognised this voice. It's Liam O'Brien. He also voiced Yasuo from League of Legends, Illidan Stormrage from World of Warcraft and Gaara from Naruto. I love his and Troy Baker's voice. So deep and cool. What a legend!
For anyone wondering, i listened to what Sauron said to Suladan. And it went something like this (Probably not correct but hopefully close) "Durbala korsiknaus, um alaj sandrakas"
"Dûrbwithâk thûk nîsh nâzg. Út kallé sâ nekazg" I probably got it wrong, but it's something like "Rule with the power of your ring. You are a king of Men."
I was a bit disappointed that they only revealed three of the Nazgul's former identifies. They should have done it for them all I think. Would love to see what they would have done for The Witchking of Angmar, and Khamúl.
The War of the Rohirrim In 2024, a stand-alone animated prequel film to Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings films, titled The War of the Rohirrim, is scheduled to be released. It is directed by Kenji Kamiyama, with Miranda Otto reprising her role from live-action, serving as the film's narrator.
I don't blame Helm Hammerhand for how he reacted. How would you feel being ambushed by a random man and shot to near death with even your own daughter betraying you. And you were given a second chance of course you would get revenge, be filled with pure rage and kill anyone who stood in your way.
Great Teacher true however there are arrow heads made to Pierce armor though it still requires strong drawback strength. No armor is indestructible same with swords. I do agree it seems like lord of the rings armor is just paper lol
Christian Man With Long Sword very true however this is just a fantasy story and not based off reality so armor will be worthless to all that's not protected by plot but super effective to those that are lol. It's really messed up I know lol
I honestly thought "Suladan" was Ar-Pharazon, probably because Suladan was already the name of a Games Workshop Middle-earth character who was a leader of Harad, and this guy follows a similar storyline to Ar-Pharazon in this, just with a ring added.
Hammerhand and the nazgul has some super dope designs as Human kings. As Nazgul, I think it’s also a nice touch that their armor has similarities to when they were alive
As long as most people know none of this is even close to canon. The work of Tolkien should be protected. At the same time if you have fun and it's a good game by all means enjoy it. Could be fun.
I said this in another video: Take joy in the fact that A) this IS an alternate continuity you can choose to like or not and B) it is actually enjoyable and fun. Think on how Star Wars fans and Game of Thrones fans feel with all the horrible retcons and shit writings.
Devin Thomas I hope you know that everyone’s ignoring your dumbass shit. Saying “Calm down” and “It’s only a game” angers people even more in most cases
How's the daughter gonna still be with him or protect him after he just killed her father? Like what? If that was me I wouldn't have moved in front of him.
Other than Isildur, the others could actually fit in sort of anyway. We know next to nothing about the nazgul aside from the Witch-King. So I support that at least, its interesting to see what happened.
So she has her boyfriend there assassinate her father and then expects them to make peace? The bastard shot Hammerhand, war was never a question after that.
Trying to make helm hammerhand a Ringwraith annoys the crap out of me. The ring wraiths were created over 3000 years before LOTR and Helm Hammerhand was born some 400 years before.
One of my biggest problems that no one as ever mentioned is: The rings weren’t given to the men after Saurons defeat! That’s why it doesn’t make any sense that Isildur is a Nazgul!
Sauron knew that the ring was lost in the Anduin river where Isildur was killed. That's why during the Hobbit events he went to Dol Guldur to gain territory and be able to have the Orcs and Goblins search the river. Saruman also knew this as he also had plans to search the Anduin for the ring that's why he helped in banishing Sauron from there so he could find it first.
For god’s sake the one ring has a mind of its own and I can tell you that river currant could have taken it miles away, the ring wants to see the world so down the river it goes, also the game does show that the nine could be replaced, and Sauron seems the sort to kill one just to get a most terrible revenge. Also yes the game is non cannon they said so multiple times including in the announcement for Shadow Of Mordor. It like the shining if the games good(which it is if a tad Grindy later) it is acceptable, plus they kept the must important message about the corrupting nature of power
Queek headtaker Mister Queek! So happy to see you! Your campaign as my faction leader has seen you stab the Lizardmen where it really hurts! Their eggses!!! And btw you're awesome for a humanoid rat!
Imagining this lore with the present of MELKOR who suddenly escape from Ekkaia.... LOL. Melkor : Mairon, what de hell do u think u are ? Mairon : (damned it! All my plans are goin to fall) uhmmm just doin my task while you are in the void. Melkor : really? I thought u just want my throne and replace me. Mairon : (this is hell) no I am not, my lord. (Shit ! I am gonna be his slave again? Damned u melks! I just wanna be a king, I don't wanna be a servant anymore...(sobs))
What’s scary about this scene that, despite still being able to appear in his Annatar form, Sauron was unable to appear “fair” at this point in time. And yet, Helm was still easily manipulated. You don’t need good looks or even feigned good intentions to trick people. In most cases, the allure of power itself is enough.
I am not sure that his body was ever even needed to resurrect him as a Wraith. I think his soul was corrupted enough for Sauron to just materialize his damned spirit as a Wraith. However, I found Isildur being one of the Ring-Wraiths rather... story-breaking. I am not the most knowledgeable guy when it comes to LOTR lore, but if I recall correctly, there was 9 Ring-Wraiths, because there were 9 rings given to human kings. As even this game states. And here they say that Isildur didn't become a Ring-Wraith because of one of the nine rings, but because of the One Ring. So either he was also one of the mortal men that possessed one of the 9 rings prior him donning Sauron's ring... or we have 10th wraith missing somewhere.
NGL I kinda prefer Sauron's depiction in the games: being the type of evil to give his victims enough rope to hang themselves with their own Fatal Flaw rather than outright corrupting them himself. Suladan's Greed Isildur's Pride Helm's Wrath Seems more sinister to me.
I'm pretty sure Suladân is actually Ar-Pharazôn the Golden himself. Monolith just changed his name as to not get in trouble with the Tolkien Estate. If you are very well-versed in Tolkien lore, it's actually pretty easy to see the hints: - Suladân conquers Mordor and Sauron willingly surrenders, just like the events that play out with Ar-Pharazôn and Sauron. - Suladân's soldiers have wings on their helmets. Númenóreans and their descendants are famed with their wing iconography. - Suladân's chief advisor is Sauron himself. Just like Ar-Pharazôn three years after he brought Sauron back to Númenor in chains.
Γκρηνιάρης # games is a non canon story Think of it like the alien franchise You have Ridley Scott’s canon films And then you have the extended non canonical universe with the comic franchise, the avp movies, and James Cameron film So it’s really your choice if you accept this story as canon or not
CausticEnforcer This is still wrong either way. This is definettily NOT Suradan. It was At Pharazon who defeated the armies of Sauron and then Sauron surended and imprisoned. All on purpose of course to make him his puppet. Just like they show the story for....Suradan. Definetily wrong
"Oh, this game sucks, it's not faithful to the lore", "Tolkien would be rolling in his grave". GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE! This is just an alternate timeline, if comic books can have multiverses than why can't LOTR; if it was canon then that's different but it's not. Tolkien didn't give a shit what would happen to his lore, he was just glad that people could read it and be inspired from it. He sold the movie rights early on and he was more interested in other legends and fantasy stories. He was interested in stuff like Beowulf more than his own writings, unlike his son who is more concerned about his father's writings than he was; who you guys are all acting like right now, it's a FUCKING VIDEO GAME! Your not suppose to take it seriously, you wanna talk about being unfaithful to lore than look at Game of Thrones; if you'd read the books you'd know they screwed me harder than a Tijuana prostitute and fucked up more characters and story lines than Star Wars. And speaking of Star Wars, Disney also pissed on the lore when they declared the Expanded Universe non canon and replaced with the shitty new one. So for all you book purists out there that whine, bitch and complain about everything, know that it's ok to be passionate but it's another thing to be a fucking crybaby, accept that some things are gonna be different ok; and as far as I'm concerned the Tolkienverse got of easy compared to the other franchises. It's a great game, its fun and you feel like your in Middle Earth; you either enjoy it or don't and get of videos like these. Bloody usurpers the whole lot of you.
Well, the game twisted even basic events of the game: the siege of Minas Ithil occurred centuries before the Hobbit. And the Nine was well established even before Ar-Pharazon, so there are no more spare places in the Nine for Ar-Pharazon, Isildur or Helm Hammerhand. The third and most important violation of the book, if mortals wear the Rings, they would become invisible (before becoming invisible ringwraiths forever), they would not grow old (the guy Suladan should not become an old man). The game violated BOTH, which are by far the most important features of the Rings. Finally, the Rings never have the ability to revive the dead. The game producer stated that the game took place between the Hobbit and LOTR, not an alternate TL.
when i see helm and isildur at least being made into ringwraith´s something tells me that must had draw inspiration from mmorpg calle lord of the rings online because (spoiler alert) there they made a ringwraith-like being from earnur (who went to mordor to deal with witch king and no one had heard of him since).
Saw the final scene of the Rohirrim and it really made me want to replay this game from zero. Still wish Monolith did a final next gen update with some bonuses like a proper ng+ (not just replaying missions).
It's not Suladan in the first arch. Suladan was from Harad and already an ally (a living one at least) of Sauron. This character is Ar Pharazôn, the last king of Númenor, the only one Sauron surrended and bent the knee to. Later, the Dark Lord became his counsellor and... well, we all know the end of that.
Who was the king that killed everyone including his daughter? And why did his daughter allow her father to be shot down and bed-ridden for her and didnt even want to go back?
GhANeC Helm Hammerhand To answer your question about the daughter. Lol this is the same Daughter who jumps in the way of a hammer swing to save the same boyfriend that attempted to shoot him dead. Anyone in their right mind would have known Hammerhand wasn't fucking around and that War is coming and no one will stop It. That guy was a warrior
Thanks for that. So who was the boyfriend/lover? I could almost understand her loving him so much that she would do something foolish in the end like taking a death blow for him. But why would she go as far as to willfully allow him to shoot down her father and kidnap her in the first place?
GhANeC Idunno Shadow of War isn't canon so I guess he is a new character. If not he was probably mentioned somewhere in the books. As there are a lot of them
GhANeC all that we know is that Helm Hammerhead was a king of Gondor and made more enemies within him realm than outside of it. He was vicious and lusted for battle so it’s safe to say he was an ass to his realm. I’m assuming that his daughter didn’t exactly have too much love for him or she realized what a monster her father was and thought his death was for a greater good. That or she was greedy and wanted the throne. My guesses from the dialogue and lore Ingame.
Heh! Saying that he was "viscous" is an understatement. I call the guy Hammerhead as a joke but he actually got the name "Hammerhand" because he was known for fighting barehanded. This guy took out entire lines of troops barehanded. It was said when he was hungry and had no food during a blizzard that he had gotten lost in. He resorted to cannibalism without hesitation. Even when dead his eyes were wide open and he still looked like he was ready to fight. His daughter was stupid af for getting in the way of a guy like that. He is easily the most hardcore of The Nazghul. None can compare to him.
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Not really
But I loved it
I quite like Shadow of War minus the loot boxes
They got pretty much everything wrong.
Whats the end soundtrack song name in this video
"You kill me you start a war!"
You literally shot four arrows into him a couple of moments ago don't talk to him like he's some maniac trying to start war.
Yeah I mean, that ship has sunk when YOU tried to kill him
And fuck that daughter man. I mean seriously the daughter tries to stop her father from killing the person who stole her from her father and almost killed him. Bitch was fucking stupid
@@allanwambugu7148 and she barely reacted when he got shot
@@allanwambugu7148 I think they staged the killing
If im correct, helm killed his father who demanded helm to marry his daughter with his son, helm refused and killed the father and i guess thats also why he killed helm besides for marrying helm's daughter
"If you kill me you'll start a war" - The man who tried to kill him and started a war
😆😆
And stole his daughter...
Loooooool
0:54 - I love that Sauron's default strategy when he loses is to turn into a cute twink and hope it all works out.
Bro...
@A ziri i dont think its in sauron's nature to meet with brute force every time. hes not like morgoth and in front of ar-pharazon's entire army i don't think he could've won
HAHA this is hilarious, because as the other guy pointed out, this is honestly kinda true to canon lore.
@Jose Miguel Quesada Fonseca true
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I can't really blame Hammerhand for what he did, except for killing his own men.
and his daughter ofc
Rohan was savage back then so killing his own men is a normal thing for barbarian like him.
He was so blinded and engulfed in pure rage/hatred for losing his daughter in the blink of an eye
He was manipulated by the power of the ring, like all The ringwraiths
@@o.i.m7851 His daughter got in the way, that wasn't his fault. But it's over when he started bashing in his own guy.
The way they present Suladan, he is more like Ar Pharazon the Numenorian King because only for him, Sauron "surended" in order to make him his puppet
Yeah, that is Ar-Pharazon alright. Very Numenorean designs on the soldiers as well. Why they didn't go all out and call him Ar-Pharazon or at least "The Golden" or something like that... I don't know.
They probably don't have the permission of the Tolkien Estate to use that name.
Oh, yeah, makes sense. Doesn't surprise me, and I don't blame Tolkien's Estate.
Cano Vea
If you remember the first game, there is a memory that talks about sauron being captured, but they also dont say the king name
Except Suladan is a Haradrim general. He was slain at the battle of Pellenor fields though, so it fits into the lore as well as the other two Nazgul they gave backstories to in this game
After watching it again after years it actually feels like it was Helm's own daughter who set him up to die so she could be with that dude.
Seems that way
So I guess staging her own death to disappear with the guy was out of the question?
Breaking the lore or not I still think they did a great job with their own rendition and the cinematics are great.
amen
Agreed, I'm a fan of the series in general but I don't feel like what the did hurt anything.
Zebow N no the lore is disgusting they disgrace tolkiens beautiful creation. But gameplay wise its wuite fun.
YOU WANT SUM CRACK!!?! Stop being butthurt. He can like his own lore.
Jonathan Irizarry i didnt tell him not to not like it i just gave my opinion on the game. idiot.
3:35 I imagine this is how Robert Baratheon would fight in his prime.
Am I the only one that wishes we could have learned more about the other 6 members of the Nazgul and their backstories?
masteroftheassassins well these are not the real nazgul stories but just made up for the game. In the books we only know of the witch king of angmar and “the shadow of the east” Khamul which was an easterling king
Julian Smit I know. But it would have been nice if we learned more about the other members
And Rise of the Witch-King gave us Morgomir.
Julian Smit Well the first guy shown was a King of Numenor, he was so powerfull that when he brought his mighty host to Mordor Saurons host just ran away.
Thoralmir rotwk isn’t canon either I think
Imagine trying to comfort your king only to get more shit kicked out of you than the guys who tried to kill said king before taking his daughter
The Satisfied Ultramarine I would be out the fucking door as soon as he killed his daughter.
Jonathan Rodriguez
Hammer kills his daughter: well, maybe i should give him some space...
Hammer eyes begin to turn orange: nope, leaving now
That’s why we Americans don’t do monarchy bro
The second hammerhand would have killed the person who took his daughter I’d get the FUUUUCK out of there
TUCO !!!
Sorry, but the guy who took helm's daughter had it coming. Dude was like if you kill me, well you literally killed me earlier!
I think Helm Hammerhand's memory was the best
2:11 Feels weird coming back to this after just having watched LOTR: War of the Rohirrim.
WoTR and SoW's interpretations of how this incident went down are...very different.
... While that was not how Tolkien wrote Helm Hammerhand's story, Helm going berserk and slaughtering people in a fit of rage is more or less entirely in character for him.
He's pretty cool in War of the Rohirrim too. Dude literally stalks through the snow killing Dunlendings with his bare hands, to the point that they think he's some kind of undead wraith.
Helm Hammerhand reminded me of Robert Baratheon, with his Warhammer and the rage that he had
And if you look, he was hunting a boar.
We don't need another one of my brothers, I already lived with one pain in my arse my entire life and I don't need another one.
Unfortunately I do
Hammerhand's pure rage was just... awesome.
He's pretty cool in War of the Rohirrim too. Dude literally stalks through the snow killing Dunlendings with his bare hands, to the point that they think he's some kind of undead wraith.
Helm Hammerhead is supposed to have the most tragic? Lol his was one of the most bad ass moments in the entire game!
"WAR HAS COME!"
Anthony Johnson
Not at all. This is just a case of bad writing. If they wanted to make a tragic. Helm shouldn't have been betrayed. And Helm shouldn't have won.
Anthony Johnson I like how you assume someone’s age because of a comment someone wrote.
@@johnnykest You literally just described why it is tragic, because Sauron gave him the power to take back his daughter, but he killed her in the process.
“I’ve won but at what cost?” Is literally the archetype of tragic stories. Why are you presenting this as some kind of contradiction when it’s not?
He’s Robert Baratheon unhinged
@@Longshanks1690, indeed
That is the most ironic thing I've ever heard. Helm, hammerhand. Picked up the rohirrim helmet and smashed the man's skull in with his hammer hands.
Yeah, Helm was famed for killing entire camps of Dunlendings with his bare hands when they besieged the Hornburg. Also, the guy who kidnapped and married his daughter, Wulf, watched his father Freca die in a single punch from Helm.
That's pretty deep.
I like fat cocks and fat bellies too.
Helm's daughter, oh boy i hate characters like that, her logic was literally only this "this man assassinated my father and took me against my will but i'm gonna marry him anyways and then defend him against my own father, but better yet i'm gonna stand in front of his attack to protect that said man who attacked my father and forced me to marry him."
I got the impression that he actually fell for him as it shows Helm got back to his deathbed so he was out of the picture for a long time, possibly incapacitated. How she yells out, "Father No!" and "Please don't fight him" to her husband says either Stockholm Syndrome or she wanted to run away with him.
No pinhead, she tried to stop her father because feared for his safety. He kills the guy that took his daughter and war breaks out, killing countless of innocent people.
@@imgod3047
Bruh they were past the first steps of "starting a war" after the king was SHOT WITH 7 ARROWS AND HIS DAUGHTER KIDNAP. The daughter is a idiot thinking war wouldn't happen, and the guy who kidnapped her got what he deserved.
@@randeli7785 Attempting to stop two kings from fighting is never dumb. From here perspective he could be still gravely injured from the arrows, so if a real war starts he'd actually be dead. Looking at the bigger picture is if they fight both nations go to war and that puts EVERYONE in danger. It just never mattered what either party wanted since Sauron infected the rings so her father went berserk.
@@imgod3047 She should have had faith in Papa Hammer's ability to kick ass.
They did a great job making Sauron ABSOLUTELY HUGE in that first meeting with Ar Pharazon. Or uh, whatever they call him in this game.
Helm is a badass.
NormalVids "WAR HAS COME!"
Well, except for killing his own men. He shouldn't have done that.
@@foolslayer9416 I'm pretty sure this version of Helm Hammerhand is not canon.... Tolkien's version was too a badass and was given the name Hammerhand because he could literally kill his enemies with a single blow with his bare fists
@@unhandydaddy5117 lol lots of warriors could do that in real life
Yes this does break much of the lore of the novels. But I can't help but love what they have done with these moments as they flesh out Middle Earth cinematically even more and makes it feel just more special. I mean I personally will never forget Helm Hammerhand after seeing how tragic his story is in this.
It breaks nothing. Canon to me
Okay, so whether it's lore-breaking or not, I like the idea of Isildur being a Ringwraith.
For only a short time though
@Mike Marlowe he wore the one ring I think so he didn’t become a Nazgul
@Mike Marlowe the one ring controls the other rings and the person who had it didn’t become a ring wraith
Like Gollum and the Hobbit
@Mike Marlowe the 7 rings that were made for dwarves did affect them.... I remember reading somewhere that the will of the dwarves was not as weak as men and therefore they did not turn into Nazguls but they started growing more and more greedy and began hoarding gold beyond all measure.... Moria had literal halls filled with nothing but gold, silver and priceless diamonds. This greed is what led to their downfall as Saruman recites in Fellowship of the Ring movie, "The dwarves delved too greedily and too deep" and this is how they accidentally awoke a Balrog which killed Durin VI and drove the Dwarves out of Moria.... Same went with Erebor (Thror, the king under the mountain, also had a ring) as they too had hoards of Gold which attracted Smaug and the firedrake too forced the dwarves to abandon Erebor...
I don't know how the rings affected the elves so yeah
Suladan: "YOU WILL SERVE THE BALD LORD NOW!"
that hammer guy is badass as fuck
He doesn't even use a hammer in the lore, he uses his bare fucking hands.
@@nilubensonofnimruzir1637 I imagine bare hands wouldn't work when you're in battle and your enemies are fighting with swords, axes, maces, spears and shields, so a warhammer would be handy for battle.
Sure it's not Tolkien Lore, but it's entertaining. Suladan seems to be a Numenor King, loved some of the designs so I hope we get another game, maybe branch away from the Assassin's Creed nature and more into the managing an army/fortresses etc. Maybe a story with a choice? That'd be cool.
Is he not supposed to be Ar-Pharazon (obviously in a different sense)? I may be totally wrong but I think I read that somewhere
Helm Hammerhead lol.
K. T. Hammerhand
Helm Hammerdick
Pauldron Spearfeet
He's a real Character in the lore of Tolkien.. but this is just a horrible representation of him.. he wasn't a Nazgul and he never was given a ring . He was a King of Rohan who fended off the Dunlainders and orcs at Hornberg and would go around killing them off by himself and made then afraid of him because of his strength, he ended up freezing to death one night but Rohan defeated the two armies and the Hornberg was named Helm's Deep after their fallen King
@@bermby It's not horrible, it's just different. Things being different doesn't make it bad.
Isildur being made a wreath is such cruel irony almost poetic
Yea it would've been cool if Tolkein and Jackson added that into the Lord of the Rings trilogy like there's some scenes where Aragorn gets attacked by a Nazgul but it hesitates to kill him and then we later find out why because that Ringwraith is Aragorn's ancestor Isildur and it would've been cool if Aragorn fought him the final battle at the Black Gate.
So wearing a ring of Sauron makes armor do, what it does naturally outside of movies.
If you look closely, the armor was deflecting the arrows. It got through some of the gabs in his armor
I like the part when guy say "My lord" and get bash in the face
I really do like the idea of Celebrimbor helping to hand out the Rings.
He literally made them...
Anyone realise that Helm Hammerhand's daughter betrayed him?
What pissed me off about Helm was that when his own guy tried to comfort him he murdered him more brutally than the guy who tried to kill him
Ikr poor guy got his head bashed in worse than the chap who shot Helm full of arrows and kidnapped his daughter. At least that guy got it quick
Yea because the Ring corrupted and twisted his mind causing him to not think straight at all.
"if you kill me, you will start a war" I knew I recognised this voice. It's Liam O'Brien. He also voiced Yasuo from League of Legends, Illidan Stormrage from World of Warcraft and Gaara from Naruto. I love his and Troy Baker's voice. So deep and cool. What a legend!
Helm's was the saddest 😭
10000000000 times better than that next amazon's diarrhea
For anyone wondering, i listened to what Sauron said to Suladan. And it went something like this (Probably not correct but hopefully close) "Durbala korsiknaus, um alaj sandrakas"
"Dûrbwithâk thûk nîsh nâzg. Út kallé sâ nekazg" I probably got it wrong, but it's something like "Rule with the power of your ring. You are a king of Men."
Ok that’s probably what he said
I find it funny how she thought she could block the hammer when he was in full swing.
I was a bit disappointed that they only revealed three of the Nazgul's former identifies. They should have done it for them all I think. Would love to see what they would have done for The Witchking of Angmar, and Khamúl.
You try to look into the witchking and find nothing, he says that nothing of his soul remains for you to peer into
6:03
Sauron: This is my way of saying “thanks,” for slicing off my fucking fingers! 😠
Man- "You kill me, you'll start a war.
Me: Says the one who shot 4 arrows into a kings chest, and stole his daughter.
Wulf doesn’t really change much in the film and here. And why is Helm’s daughter trying to protect Wulf?
"My lord" -Punches the shit outta him-
The War of the Rohirrim
In 2024, a stand-alone animated prequel film to Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings films, titled The War of the Rohirrim, is scheduled to be released. It is directed by Kenji Kamiyama, with Miranda Otto reprising her role from live-action, serving as the film's narrator.
6:02 - Yes Master. 🔥🖤
I don't blame Helm Hammerhand for how he reacted. How would you feel being ambushed by a random man and shot to near death with even your own daughter betraying you. And you were given a second chance of course you would get revenge, be filled with pure rage and kill anyone who stood in your way.
I know this is offensive to middle earth lore aka lore breaking but these could be some cool ideas for Middle earth
@@RRai2000 nah they are cannon, tolkien is no more, new lore is here DEAL WITH IT
Man are these plate armors made of wet toiler paper or something? Arrows shouldn't easily go through those
Great Teacher true however there are arrow heads made to Pierce armor though it still requires strong drawback strength. No armor is indestructible same with swords. I do agree it seems like lord of the rings armor is just paper lol
What's the point of wearing armour if anything can pierce it lol
Christian Man With Long Sword very true however this is just a fantasy story and not based off reality so armor will be worthless to all that's not protected by plot but super effective to those that are lol. It's really messed up I know lol
well it still saved his life after he got shots like 6 times so it did it job.
If you look closely you can see some arrows bounce off.
I honestly thought "Suladan" was Ar-Pharazon, probably because Suladan was already the name of a Games Workshop Middle-earth character who was a leader of Harad, and this guy follows a similar storyline to Ar-Pharazon in this, just with a ring added.
Hammerhand and the nazgul has some super dope designs as Human kings. As Nazgul, I think it’s also a nice touch that their armor has similarities to when they were alive
As long as most people know none of this is even close to canon. The work of Tolkien should be protected. At the same time if you have fun and it's a good game by all means enjoy it. Could be fun.
I said this in another video: Take joy in the fact that A) this IS an alternate continuity you can choose to like or not and B) it is actually enjoyable and fun. Think on how Star Wars fans and Game of Thrones fans feel with all the horrible retcons and shit writings.
Bunson Baker it's just a game calm down
Anirban Bhattacharya once again just a game no need for a rant
Devin Thomas I hope you know that everyone’s ignoring your dumbass shit. Saying “Calm down” and “It’s only a game” angers people even more in most cases
Sir Ratman calm down its just a game
How's the daughter gonna still be with him or protect him after he just killed her father? Like what? If that was me I wouldn't have moved in front of him.
Stockholm Syndrome or it was Romeo and Juliet type thing
Bad writing.
@@DeathlyDrainedThat or the two planned it since they were in love with each other but he refused their marriage
3:04 whaaaat?! You have already started it lol.
Other than Isildur, the others could actually fit in sort of anyway. We know next to nothing about the nazgul aside from the Witch-King. So I support that at least, its interesting to see what happened.
Anyone noticed Santa Maria del Fiore left to the king at 1:25?
Jan Raszyński yeah! I thought, so Suladan was Granduca of Tuscany?
I did. How lazy can they be?
So she has her boyfriend there assassinate her father and then expects them to make peace?
The bastard shot Hammerhand, war was never a question after that.
Trying to make helm hammerhand a Ringwraith annoys the crap out of me. The ring wraiths were created over 3000 years before LOTR and Helm Hammerhand was born some 400 years before.
Fair, but the game establishes Nazgul can be killed or created. So Helm obviously would not have been one of the First.
In War, it was established the members of the Nine change over time as stronger candidates were found.
I'm glad that at least sauron,isildur and narsil kept their movie design
Dont forget golum
These are epic and perfectly dark
“War has come!”
At 1:26 they have put in the Chatedral that is in Florence.
Looks like isildur learned that the dark lord doesn’t like to share his power the hard way😤
One of my biggest problems that no one as ever mentioned is: The rings weren’t given to the men after Saurons defeat! That’s why it doesn’t make any sense that Isildur is a Nazgul!
It's not canon.
@@B0x_T00l OFC not, it's retarded.
In the games, the wraiths are occasionally replaced when they fall. Isildur was the newest wraith until Talion replaced him.
The Isildur thing isn’t thought out very well. I mean why didn’t Sauron just ask where the one ring was after he revived him?
Mike Wilson It fell into a river, which probably washed the ring away.
Helms story is even worse
Mike Wilson umm because it washed away in a river it could've been anywhere
Mike Wilson
Sauron: were is my ring bitch?
Isildur: felt on a river.
Sauron: noooooooooo!
Sauron knew that the ring was lost in the Anduin river where Isildur was killed. That's why during the Hobbit events he went to Dol Guldur to gain territory and be able to have the Orcs and Goblins search the river. Saruman also knew this as he also had plans to search the Anduin for the ring that's why he helped in banishing Sauron from there so he could find it first.
2:53 He is literally me
For god’s sake the one ring has a mind of its own and I can tell you that river currant could have taken it miles away, the ring wants to see the world so down the river it goes, also the game does show that the nine could be replaced, and Sauron seems the sort to kill one just to get a most terrible revenge. Also yes the game is non cannon they said so multiple times including in the announcement for Shadow Of Mordor. It like the shining if the games good(which it is if a tad Grindy later) it is acceptable, plus they kept the must important message about the corrupting nature of power
Queek headtaker Mister Queek! So happy to see you! Your campaign as my faction leader has seen you stab the Lizardmen where it really hurts! Their eggses!!! And btw you're awesome for a humanoid rat!
Thank you. I don't understand why people can't process this.
I’d REALLY like a LoTR show in the first and/or second age. The major streaming services would be giving contracts like hot cakes.
Your prediction came true…..but sadly it doesn’t look to good
@@hanszecrusader379 I know.
Imagining this lore with the present of MELKOR who suddenly escape from Ekkaia.... LOL.
Melkor : Mairon, what de hell do u think u are ?
Mairon : (damned it! All my plans are goin to fall) uhmmm just doin my task while you are in the void.
Melkor : really? I thought u just want my throne and replace me.
Mairon : (this is hell) no I am not, my lord. (Shit ! I am gonna be his slave again? Damned u melks! I just wanna be a king, I don't wanna be a servant anymore...(sobs))
What’s scary about this scene that, despite still being able to appear in his Annatar form, Sauron was unable to appear “fair” at this point in time. And yet, Helm was still easily manipulated. You don’t need good looks or even feigned good intentions to trick people. In most cases, the allure of power itself is enough.
Helm Hammerhand G.O.A.T greatest of all time !!!!!
Had to come back after War of the Rohirrim
Man I think it would've been interesting to see Aragorn fighting his ancestor who's now a Nazgul.
Wait... So those Uruks took Isildur's body out of the river, BUT THEY COULDN'T HAVE GRABBED THE ONE RING AS WELL??????
P&WJsmith4liberty The River washed it away.
The Ring sank; bodies float.
Guess what? Isildur's body is lot bigger then ring.
I am not sure that his body was ever even needed to resurrect him as a Wraith. I think his soul was corrupted enough for Sauron to just materialize his damned spirit as a Wraith.
However, I found Isildur being one of the Ring-Wraiths rather... story-breaking. I am not the most knowledgeable guy when it comes to LOTR lore, but if I recall correctly, there was 9 Ring-Wraiths, because there were 9 rings given to human kings. As even this game states. And here they say that Isildur didn't become a Ring-Wraith because of one of the nine rings, but because of the One Ring. So either he was also one of the mortal men that possessed one of the 9 rings prior him donning Sauron's ring... or we have 10th wraith missing somewhere.
Even if they knew about the ring, what's easier to spot in a river, a human body or a piece of jewellery?
I love this game's lore. I don't get why so many people get enraged over it.
Why do these cutscenes relax me.
Who goes hunting full clad in armor?
well you've seen the kind of beast in Mordor, you never know when you fight something powerful.
0:56 he seems like a Babylonian king 🧐 even his throne
NGL I kinda prefer Sauron's depiction in the games: being the type of evil to give his victims enough rope to hang themselves with their own Fatal Flaw rather than outright corrupting them himself.
Suladan's Greed
Isildur's Pride
Helm's Wrath
Seems more sinister to me.
And the ambitions of the daughters of Sagong.
'if you kill me you will start a war' THATS FUCKING YASUO'S VOICE
It is just like the rings of Harot and Marot of Babylon tour which given to the kings power to rule the Babylonian empire but with heavy price😕
Ughhh Tolkien will be rolling in his frave. The Nazgul first appeared eons before Isildur and MILLENIA before Helm Hammerhand...
Γκρηνιάρης # frave? I wonder what's it like in one of those.
Don't you know? Fraves are WAY WAY better than graves
I'm pretty sure Suladân is actually Ar-Pharazôn the Golden himself. Monolith just changed his name as to not get in trouble with the Tolkien Estate.
If you are very well-versed in Tolkien lore, it's actually pretty easy to see the hints:
- Suladân conquers Mordor and Sauron willingly surrenders, just like the events that play out with Ar-Pharazôn and Sauron.
- Suladân's soldiers have wings on their helmets. Númenóreans and their descendants are famed with their wing iconography.
- Suladân's chief advisor is Sauron himself. Just like Ar-Pharazôn three years after he brought Sauron back to Númenor in chains.
Γκρηνιάρης # games is a non canon story
Think of it like the alien franchise
You have Ridley Scott’s canon films
And then you have the extended non canonical universe with the comic franchise, the avp movies, and James Cameron film
So it’s really your choice if you accept this story as canon or not
CausticEnforcer This is still wrong either way. This is definettily NOT Suradan. It was At Pharazon who defeated the armies of Sauron and then Sauron surended and imprisoned. All on purpose of course to make him his puppet. Just like they show the story for....Suradan. Definetily wrong
"Oh, this game sucks, it's not faithful to the lore", "Tolkien would be rolling in his grave". GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE! This is just an alternate timeline, if comic books can have multiverses than why can't LOTR; if it was canon then that's different but it's not. Tolkien didn't give a shit what would happen to his lore, he was just glad that people could read it and be inspired from it. He sold the movie rights early on and he was more interested in other legends and fantasy stories. He was interested in stuff like Beowulf more than his own writings, unlike his son who is more concerned about his father's writings than he was; who you guys are all acting like right now, it's a FUCKING VIDEO GAME! Your not suppose to take it seriously, you wanna talk about being unfaithful to lore than look at Game of Thrones; if you'd read the books you'd know they screwed me harder than a Tijuana prostitute and fucked up more characters and story lines than Star Wars. And speaking of Star Wars, Disney also pissed on the lore when they declared the Expanded Universe non canon and replaced with the shitty new one. So for all you book purists out there that whine, bitch and complain about everything, know that it's ok to be passionate but it's another thing to be a fucking crybaby, accept that some things are gonna be different ok; and as far as I'm concerned the Tolkienverse got of easy compared to the other franchises. It's a great game, its fun and you feel like your in Middle Earth; you either enjoy it or don't and get of videos like these. Bloody usurpers the whole lot of you.
Well, the game twisted even basic events of the game: the siege of Minas Ithil occurred centuries before the Hobbit. And the Nine was well established even before Ar-Pharazon, so there are no more spare places in the Nine for Ar-Pharazon, Isildur or Helm Hammerhand. The third and most important violation of the book, if mortals wear the Rings, they would become invisible (before becoming invisible ringwraiths forever), they would not grow old (the guy Suladan should not become an old man). The game violated BOTH, which are by far the most important features of the Rings. Finally, the Rings never have the ability to revive the dead. The game producer stated that the game took place between the Hobbit and LOTR, not an alternate TL.
So Suladan was essentially "Ar-Pharazôn if he was a nazgûl"?
when i see helm and isildur at least being made into ringwraith´s something tells me that must had draw inspiration from mmorpg calle lord of the rings online because (spoiler alert) there they made a ringwraith-like being from earnur (who went to mordor to deal with witch king and no one had heard of him since).
3:35..... The most justifiable bitch slap I've seen in a while.
I know these cinematics/lore from Shadow of War aren't really canon, but they're still sick!
Ps. Why does Sauron sound like Orochimaru lol
Nah, they're canon. They make perfect sense and fit in. Sweats stay mad.
Saw the final scene of the Rohirrim and it really made me want to replay this game from zero. Still wish Monolith did a final next gen update with some bonuses like a proper ng+ (not just replaying missions).
At 1:26 there is the piazza del duomo from florence
It's not Suladan in the first arch. Suladan was from Harad and already an ally (a living one at least) of Sauron. This character is Ar Pharazôn, the last king of Númenor, the only one Sauron surrended and bent the knee to. Later, the Dark Lord became his counsellor and... well, we all know the end of that.
Man, Hammerhead is the most intimidating out of all of them. 😱
I’d fight the other 5 all together before I’d fight Helm!🤣
2:30 probably doesnt have the purple armor equipped on.....
Correction: Ar Pharazôn, not Suladan/Suladin or whatver
Who was the king that killed everyone including his daughter? And why did his daughter allow her father to be shot down and bed-ridden for her and didnt even want to go back?
GhANeC Helm Hammerhand
To answer your question about the daughter. Lol this is the same Daughter who jumps in the way of a hammer swing to save the same boyfriend that attempted to shoot him dead. Anyone in their right mind would have known Hammerhand wasn't fucking around and that War is coming and no one will stop
It. That guy was a warrior
Thanks for that. So who was the boyfriend/lover? I could almost understand her loving him so much that she would do something foolish in the end like taking a death blow for him. But why would she go as far as to willfully allow him to shoot down her father and kidnap her in the first place?
GhANeC Idunno
Shadow of War isn't canon so I guess he is a new character. If not he was probably mentioned somewhere in the books. As there are a lot of them
GhANeC all that we know is that Helm Hammerhead was a king of Gondor and made more enemies within him realm than outside of it. He was vicious and lusted for battle so it’s safe to say he was an ass to his realm. I’m assuming that his daughter didn’t exactly have too much love for him or she realized what a monster her father was and thought his death was for a greater good. That or she was greedy and wanted the throne. My guesses from the dialogue and lore Ingame.
Heh! Saying that he was "viscous" is an understatement. I call the guy Hammerhead as a joke but he actually got the name "Hammerhand" because he was known for fighting barehanded. This guy took out entire lines of troops barehanded. It was said when he was hungry and had no food during a blizzard that he had gotten lost in. He resorted to cannibalism without hesitation. Even when dead his eyes were wide open and he still looked like he was ready to fight. His daughter was stupid af for getting in the way of a guy like that. He is easily the most hardcore of The Nazghul. None can compare to him.
I hope one day they will be a shadow 3 one day
Can anyone write what Sauron said to Suladan at 1:40 ?
This game is fanfiction. That's cool, it was well made. But it was fanfiction.
You not only state the obvious, but you are annoying about it.
We know.
All hail the Nine!!! All hail the Nine!!! All hail the fucking Nine!!!
At the end of this video there's a background song can anyone tell me from where is it .
just realised the suladins centre crown gem also appears on his nazgul mask
Something of each of them appears on their nazgul mask: Sualdan's gem, Helm's horns, and Isildur's mask looks like the crown of Gondor.
5:09 so badass
At 6:20 there was a background music. Can anyone tell me from wer is it