I've had these rudder pedals for two years and have never regretted my purchase. I'm a former real-world GA pilot. My goal in getting back into flight simming was to reproduce my earlier flying experiences as close as possible. To me, the rudder pedals are the most important flight sim peripheral, and these were the first piece of high-end equipment that I bought, well before I bought a good yoke. With these I can easily do slips to landing in gusty cross winds, and can keep my turns coordinated at all times. And they are awesome for taxiing, especially in planes that have castering nosewheels that require differential braking. I originally had a pair of the Saitek pedals and they behaved nothing like I remembered from my flying days. As for the brakes, one thing that you didn't mention is that you can step on these things with all the force you can give them. If you're a RW pilot I'm sure you've had landings where you hit the brakes so hard you lifted your butt right out of the seat. I do that regularly with these pedals (is that the hold short line? Crap!) I couldn't think of trying that with the Saiteks. (GA brakes take a lot of abuse. I saw many a broken or missing brake pad, and once when flying an Archer, the right toe brake linkage snapped completely while I was entering the pattern). I can say that the pedals behave the same now as they did when I first got them. I've never noticed the brakes to be grainy, and there is no sign that the springs are losing any force. Are they worth $1100? Only you can answer that. If you have a desire, like I do, to reproduce a real world GA experience, then these are an excellent option (if you can afford them). If you are more of a gamer and aren't into the nuances of flying, then they are definitely overkill, and I can understand why the price could seem outrageous.
They’re absolutely wonderful. I run a pair of them in my 172 sim and they’ve lasted for years. I take my sim to trade shows and they’re still going strong.
Wow. Your the first long term user to comment. So they are still going strong? Did you find the grainy feeling on the brake lessened over time? Also are you a real pilot?
@@g-locmedia Both pair are still serving me well. The copilot side was my original set and the second set became the pilot side to try and balance out the use. Currently both sets have over 10,000 hours on them and still feel like they did when I unboxed them. I’ve yet to have to replace the springs on any. The pressure sensors have not failed. They’re bolted to the floor of my simulator platform, as I’ve dialed the brake pressure close to what I feel like in the 172 that I fly IRL, to which I am a real pilot. My only complaint is that the pedal footprint is wider than the actual 172 counterpart by a couple inches, but both pair still fit in my sim cabin which is built to 1964 172F width. Combined with two Yoko+, v3rnio+, and composs…one simply can’t go wrong with the hardware. Pricy yes, but will last a lifetime. Oscar and Claudia have been a pleasure to deal with and really nice people. I’ve had the pleasure to meet both. Cheers.
@@g-locmediaBoth sets are still going strong. The current copilot side was my original set and new ones replaced the left side. I did this to try and maintain even use across both. Currently they both have over 10,000 hours on them and still going strong. I’ve yet to replace the springs on either and they feel the same as the day I unboxed them. My only complaint is that the pedal footprint is slightly wider than the real 172 counterpart that I fly in real life. However both sets still fit inside my cabin just fine, which is built to 1964 172F dimensions. I have them bolted to the floor platform because I’ve tried my best to match the brake pressure of the real plane. Combined with two Yoko+, V3nerio and Composs, I just can’t go wrong with Virtual Fly! Oscar and Claudia have been a pleasure to deal with.
Load cells in sim racing adds to the precision of braking, which is a crucial part of sim racing. I don't see much advantage, especially at that price, with load cells in rudders. Actual load cells are pretty cheap, so I'm sure with an Arduino and some creative minds, there could be a mod for other rudders. And as always thanks for the review. Cheers!
I think you have to enjoy taxiing around in the ground to get the most out of these. Anyone that's mainly just in the skies will get much less out of them. The load cells do make a nice difference though. Enough that I think they should be included in most pedals.
They're definitely up there in price but when you look at the likes of the Sim racing market it's exactly the same. This is kinda where the high end stuff sits.
Copying the CH pedals and the Thrustmaster center cam design, while adding two load sensors at $50 each, does not justify a $1,900 price tag. This seems like a straight-up scam. There’s nothing new here, and the stiction issues we faced with the CH pedals and the $125 Thrustmaster pedals will likely reappear in these. There's a reason we moved away from friction sliders.
I can't sense any stiction as of yet but I'll certainly highlight it in a longer term review if it comes about. I'm hoping more long term owners chime in here a bit and share their experience.
I have the ruddo plus from 2019 they are sturdy, yes, but my left toe brake requires more force to be applied than my right one, resulting in veering of the runway it is hard to apply different braking force cause I tend to push the rudder to the left always. Have there TQ6 also, that is very good.
Started with CH pro pedals @ $100, then Saitek @175, then Thrustmaster TPR @ $750, all things being equal $1200 looks to be some serious build quality and engineering ,
thanks for the detailed review. I wonder how the linear travel on these compares to Thrustmaster TPRs, just in terms of the ergonomics of the experience? because they both allow for straight linear travel, rather than the German-style rotating rudders.
Nm is torque, not pressure. The pedal face load will depend on the motion ratios between the pedal face and the loadcell and some trigonometry stuff. 50kgf doesn't sound entirely unlikely, but you can't get it by just doing a "500N is 50kg" conversion.
@@g-locmedia You will still need to take the installation ratio into account, but if the loadcell is just a 50kgf unit, judging by the kind of action it's making, it might be close to 1:1, so 50kgf at the pedal face isn't super unreasonable.
Definitely a high-end product deserving of its price point. From a value add perspective, how do you see the substantial bump in price for the Brunner MkII FFB rudders? Is the Brunner adding enough value in your opinion and GA use case to justify its much higher price? Thanks for the great review.
That's a super interesting question. You can't compete with the FFB Brunners but of course I think they are twice the price. There is value there in the Brunners and if your not short of cash they are mind-blowing for GA style flying. The Ruddos are on the same level of build quality and materials, maybe even a little bit better and with the load cell brakes. The Brunner price is justified I think. You got my brain in knots now lol.
@@g-locmedia I just went back and watched your full review of the FFB Brunner pedals. Definitely the value is there. Glad to see options via the Virtual Fly Ruddo pedals. The market for flight sim controls has come leaps and bounds in the last few years. Truly outstanding gear for every budget now. The midlevel price and upward to the high-end gear have great options for both yokes and rudders. Let's have a new match up review between all the FFB Yokes - especially since the arrival of the FliteSim CLS-e 60 yoke. All the best to you and your channel. Your reviews really add value in and of themselves!
@@g-locmedia That would be wonderful if you don't mind. I'm giving these serious consideration. The only pedals found that fit inside my sim-racing cockpit were the Virpil warbirds (hopefully recoup some money on used market here in Canada for these) - they're nice but having toe-breaks (none on Virpils) with load cell would be fantastic! A lot of sim racing cockpits are 500mm on the inside and I don't want to rebuild it (motion platform that converts from driving to flying by sliding the seat back and putting on a Virpil grip - so, complicated to find something that drops in to existing space requirements) Brunner would do it too but Ooooffff the price! From my reading, the VF software passes on the appropriate amount of load cell pressure conversions to MSFS?? vs just using the MSFS direct without VF's software running. BUT, if they work as rudders in DCS and the toe-breaks are functional in the warbirds, I'm very interested even if it's slightly lacking in DCS. I'm about 60% in msfs but 40% in DCS so it would be a disappointing to not be able to use in DCS. (My pandemic-simulator-problem keeps growing!)
@@g-locmedia No offense to you personally, but I find it perplexing that so many YTers keep reviewing all these pedals and almost none of them try the MFGs. Why is that? Is it because Milan won't give you freebies like everyone else will? The MFGs are some of, if not THE best mid priced pedals on the market, especially if you add the damper, and with the different pedal and footrest options they can cater to almost every style of flying. A lot of REAL simmers want to see comparisons against the MFGs because it's where many of us end up in the mid tier and when we are looking at new or higher tier pedals its inevitably "how do they compare to MFGS?"
@@JohnVanderbeck Hello John. I haven't been able to get a hold of a set of MFG's for the recent videos. From all of the rudders pedals I own, about half of them have been purchased and the other half supplied from brands. I don't make much money from youtube so buying up every set of rudders is very much out of the question for me, and the opinion I offer is based on my experience with all of them I've used and own. When brands supply products for testing and review, the product can be free, yes, however the time and energy invested in the creative side is not, and if I were actually creating content just for free product, I'd be much better off doing some extra hrs at work and just buying it. But I enjoy creating videos, especially within the flight sim space, so that's where I prefer to spend my time.
@@g-locmedia Sorry but you misunderstood me. I did not mean to imply you only make videos to get free products, but instead the opposite, that you and many other haven't reviewed the MFGs because you don't get them for free and don't want to buy them, as you say. I'm assuming Milan doesn't send out samples to anyone, hence why very few comparisons exist.
@JohnVanderbeck yea I can't comment for anyone else so I've no idea whether they send review samples or not. If the opportunity ever arises to review them I'll happily take it. As it would be a great addition to the video library on the channel.
vkb mk 5 with the pedals adjusted at the highest pedal setting is linear , so is thurstmasters cheapest rudder product pretty much all of them are actually .also the center cam that links the 2 sides will ware on the nylon bush this will make them very sloppy after not a lot of time .not worth anywhere that much just for load sensors .its just a high price to simulate quality ..its not
Unsure about the VKB's but have a set TPRs and while the move in a linear fashion forward and back they do arc down through the motion as they are pendular. Great rudder but not full linear. I'll check out the VKB's
@@g-locmedia TPR are not thrustmasters cheapest they are the most expensive the cheapest are TFRP at $129 usd they are full linear they run on straight rails like these do
They look great, but still overpriced for what they are. I could get a full FFBeast set together for less than half that cost. Where imo force feedback adds a lot more to the experience.
@@g-locmedia yes I was looking around for reviews on these pedals. If they were like $600 bucks they would sell like crazy and last for a lifetime. The price puts them out of reach for most.
In some sense yea. I could have 1 or two days rental for the price of these. However, some people use this stuff for training which can drastically reduce your costs of flying for real. Others use it for entertainment, which is where I am, so regardless how it weighs up, I still love the simulation and tech side. There's know way I could ever afford even s small plane, with all the running costa and insurance, hangar keep costs. It would quickly snowball.
@@g-locmedia Yeah, as soon as you do the math, it's still way cheaper to get these than to fly for real. In USD, an hour of wet tach runs $150 minimum. Getting a PPL can run well into five figures. The real question is, are these worth the 2-4x premium over the competition? But I guess that's what your video is about. Thanks for taking the time to respond.
The ONLY way I am paying more than one THOUSAND dollars for rudder pedals, it better be able to give blow jobs on demand. The price is INSANE and the only possible explanation is the company is gouging the hell out of their customer base.
I've had these rudder pedals for two years and have never regretted my purchase.
I'm a former real-world GA pilot. My goal in getting back into flight simming was to reproduce my earlier flying experiences as close as possible. To me, the rudder pedals are the most important flight sim peripheral, and these were the first piece of high-end equipment that I bought, well before I bought a good yoke. With these I can easily do slips to landing in gusty cross winds, and can keep my turns coordinated at all times. And they are awesome for taxiing, especially in planes that have castering nosewheels that require differential braking. I originally had a pair of the Saitek pedals and they behaved nothing like I remembered from my flying days.
As for the brakes, one thing that you didn't mention is that you can step on these things with all the force you can give them. If you're a RW pilot I'm sure you've had landings where you hit the brakes so hard you lifted your butt right out of the seat. I do that regularly with these pedals (is that the hold short line? Crap!) I couldn't think of trying that with the Saiteks. (GA brakes take a lot of abuse. I saw many a broken or missing brake pad, and once when flying an Archer, the right toe brake linkage snapped completely while I was entering the pattern).
I can say that the pedals behave the same now as they did when I first got them. I've never noticed the brakes to be grainy, and there is no sign that the springs are losing any force.
Are they worth $1100? Only you can answer that. If you have a desire, like I do, to reproduce a real world GA experience, then these are an excellent option (if you can afford them). If you are more of a gamer and aren't into the nuances of flying, then they are definitely overkill, and I can understand why the price could seem outrageous.
Thanks so much for sharing your long term experience with these. Super helpful for other thinking about buying.
What we need is brunner ffb with load cells.
Pretty sure I mentioned that in my old Brunner rudder video but yes. Everything should have load cell after trying these.
Lets hope Brunner aare listening, at the price they should come with load cells. It not new tech.@g-locmedia
@@g-locmedia
Hopefully someone at Brunner is paying attention, it's not even like load cells is new Tech.
Left, Right, Brake - for 1700$ - good luck with that. Nice gear no question.
It is on the upper end of the scale but not too dissimilar to what you see in Sim racing.
I`ll wait for MOZA`S FFB rudders wich I maybe can afford too
@henninghansen163 I know they are working on rudders but I don't think they are force feedback. Would be awesome if they were thought
@@g-locmedia why would`nt they be, they`re surfuce controllers gdmìt `s coming i promise sims coming back `s coming back `s comin` back :D just wait
They’re absolutely wonderful. I run a pair of them in my 172 sim and they’ve lasted for years. I take my sim to trade shows and they’re still going strong.
Wow. Your the first long term user to comment. So they are still going strong? Did you find the grainy feeling on the brake lessened over time? Also are you a real pilot?
@@g-locmedia Both pair are still serving me well. The copilot side was my original set and the second set became the pilot side to try and balance out the use. Currently both sets have over 10,000 hours on them and still feel like they did when I unboxed them. I’ve yet to have to replace the springs on any. The pressure sensors have not failed. They’re bolted to the floor of my simulator platform, as I’ve dialed the brake pressure close to what I feel like in the 172 that I fly IRL, to which I am a real pilot. My only complaint is that the pedal footprint is wider than the actual 172 counterpart by a couple inches, but both pair still fit in my sim cabin which is built to 1964 172F width. Combined with two Yoko+, v3rnio+, and composs…one simply can’t go wrong with the hardware. Pricy yes, but will last a lifetime. Oscar and Claudia have been a pleasure to deal with and really nice people. I’ve had the pleasure to meet both. Cheers.
@@g-locmediaBoth sets are still going strong. The current copilot side was my original set and new ones replaced the left side. I did this to try and maintain even use across both. Currently they both have over 10,000 hours on them and still going strong. I’ve yet to replace the springs on either and they feel the same as the day I unboxed them. My only complaint is that the pedal footprint is slightly wider than the real 172 counterpart that I fly in real life. However both sets still fit inside my cabin just fine, which is built to 1964 172F dimensions. I have them bolted to the floor platform because I’ve tried my best to match the brake pressure of the real plane. Combined with two Yoko+, V3nerio and Composs, I just can’t go wrong with Virtual Fly! Oscar and Claudia have been a pleasure to deal with.
Load cells in sim racing adds to the precision of braking, which is a crucial part of sim racing. I don't see much advantage, especially at that price, with load cells in rudders. Actual load cells are pretty cheap, so I'm sure with an Arduino and some creative minds, there could be a mod for other rudders. And as always thanks for the review. Cheers!
I think you have to enjoy taxiing around in the ground to get the most out of these. Anyone that's mainly just in the skies will get much less out of them. The load cells do make a nice difference though. Enough that I think they should be included in most pedals.
AUD $1776, my mate Daryl says "they're dreaming".
They're definitely up there in price but when you look at the likes of the Sim racing market it's exactly the same. This is kinda where the high end stuff sits.
Copying the CH pedals and the Thrustmaster center cam design, while adding two load sensors at $50 each, does not justify a $1,900 price tag. This seems like a straight-up scam. There’s nothing new here, and the stiction issues we faced with the CH pedals and the $125 Thrustmaster pedals will likely reappear in these. There's a reason we moved away from friction sliders.
I can't sense any stiction as of yet but I'll certainly highlight it in a longer term review if it comes about. I'm hoping more long term owners chime in here a bit and share their experience.
Tnx for this. What rig do you use?
Next Level Racing Flight Sim Pro
I have the ruddo plus from 2019 they are sturdy, yes, but my left toe brake requires more force to be applied than my right one, resulting in veering of the runway it is hard to apply different braking force cause I tend to push the rudder to the left always.
Have there TQ6 also, that is very good.
@@ebawebawthanks for sharing. Do you feel it's the spring or the load cell?
The load cell
Started with CH pro pedals @ $100, then Saitek @175, then Thrustmaster TPR @ $750, all things being equal $1200 looks to be some serious build quality and engineering ,
TPRs are a good set of rudders. Do you have the damper mod?
@@g-locmedia no damper, mostly fly TBM930, turbine singles, msfs2020
@@spike238 I've got a set of them in right now for content and I bought the Cubesim damper. Hasn't arrived yet but I'm looking forward to it.
There is an FFB modification available for the Thrustmaster TPR’s. That seems like a better shout.
Where is this available?
Is that the one from Cubesim?
Really?
thanks for the detailed review. I wonder how the linear travel on these compares to Thrustmaster TPRs, just in terms of the ergonomics of the experience? because they both allow for straight linear travel, rather than the German-style rotating rudders.
The TPR are pendular so they actually have an arc at the bottom so not fully linear like these but they are a good set of rudders.
its the same design as the cheapest thrustmaster just redone
Nm is torque, not pressure. The pedal face load will depend on the motion ratios between the pedal face and the loadcell and some trigonometry stuff. 50kgf doesn't sound entirely unlikely, but you can't get it by just doing a "500N is 50kg" conversion.
I can confirm they do have 50kg rated load cell. My apologies about being wrong with the conversion.
@@g-locmedia You will still need to take the installation ratio into account, but if the loadcell is just a 50kgf unit, judging by the kind of action it's making, it might be close to 1:1, so 50kgf at the pedal face isn't super unreasonable.
I've been waiting on your review for the FliteSim CLS-60. Did you ever get one?
Nah never managed to get a hold of one. Looks like a great product for the price though.
@@g-locmedia Well that's a bummer. I was hoping for a comparison analysis between those and the Brunner's you've reviewed.
@@EmesiS I would love to mate. I really would. I did contact them a while back but nothing came of it.
I have the 120 and would really not recommended unless you have the money to gamble away on something you may not like.
I like the size… will fit most rigs. The challenge is availability. Can’t get them easily in North America.
Yea they are a more realistic width than what you get with winwing or virpil for GA aircraft.
Did you mount your new cockpit panel to your NLR Flight Stand Pro, or replace the stand with something else?
That new custom panel is mounted to the Flight Sim Pro
@@g-locmediaThanks. Looks great!
@@6CharlieSierra thanks. It's not great looking up close is a little rough but I think I'll make another one with some improvements
Definitely a high-end product deserving of its price point. From a value add perspective, how do you see the substantial bump in price for the Brunner MkII FFB rudders? Is the Brunner adding enough value in your opinion and GA use case to justify its much higher price? Thanks for the great review.
That's a super interesting question. You can't compete with the FFB Brunners but of course I think they are twice the price. There is value there in the Brunners and if your not short of cash they are mind-blowing for GA style flying. The Ruddos are on the same level of build quality and materials, maybe even a little bit better and with the load cell brakes. The Brunner price is justified I think. You got my brain in knots now lol.
@@g-locmedia I just went back and watched your full review of the FFB Brunner pedals. Definitely the value is there. Glad to see options via the Virtual Fly Ruddo pedals. The market for flight sim controls has come leaps and bounds in the last few years. Truly outstanding gear for every budget now. The midlevel price and upward to the high-end gear have great options for both yokes and rudders. Let's have a new match up review between all the FFB Yokes - especially since the arrival of the FliteSim CLS-e 60 yoke. All the best to you and your channel. Your reviews really add value in and of themselves!
Do you by chance know if these will work in DCS? I can't find any documentation that explicitly states that they do.
I reckon they might. I can test this for you
@@g-locmedia That would be wonderful if you don't mind. I'm giving these serious consideration. The only pedals found that fit inside my sim-racing cockpit were the Virpil warbirds (hopefully recoup some money on used market here in Canada for these) - they're nice but having toe-breaks (none on Virpils) with load cell would be fantastic! A lot of sim racing cockpits are 500mm on the inside and I don't want to rebuild it (motion platform that converts from driving to flying by sliding the seat back and putting on a Virpil grip - so, complicated to find something that drops in to existing space requirements) Brunner would do it too but Ooooffff the price! From my reading, the VF software passes on the appropriate amount of load cell pressure conversions to MSFS?? vs just using the MSFS direct without VF's software running. BUT, if they work as rudders in DCS and the toe-breaks are functional in the warbirds, I'm very interested even if it's slightly lacking in DCS. I'm about 60% in msfs but 40% in DCS so it would be a disappointing to not be able to use in DCS. (My pandemic-simulator-problem keeps growing!)
@@Flytangler I'll give it a go tonight and let you know
Yes these will work with DCS as they will configure as a standard joystick. Just had that info from Virtual Fly @@Flytangler
Thank you!
Are these better than mfg crosswinds?
I've never used crosswinds but they do it in a completely different pricing bracket. My gut feeling would be yes.
@@g-locmedia No offense to you personally, but I find it perplexing that so many YTers keep reviewing all these pedals and almost none of them try the MFGs. Why is that? Is it because Milan won't give you freebies like everyone else will?
The MFGs are some of, if not THE best mid priced pedals on the market, especially if you add the damper, and with the different pedal and footrest options they can cater to almost every style of flying. A lot of REAL simmers want to see comparisons against the MFGs because it's where many of us end up in the mid tier and when we are looking at new or higher tier pedals its inevitably "how do they compare to MFGS?"
@@JohnVanderbeck Hello John. I haven't been able to get a hold of a set of MFG's for the recent videos. From all of the rudders pedals I own, about half of them have been purchased and the other half supplied from brands. I don't make much money from youtube so buying up every set of rudders is very much out of the question for me, and the opinion I offer is based on my experience with all of them I've used and own. When brands supply products for testing and review, the product can be free, yes, however the time and energy invested in the creative side is not, and if I were actually creating content just for free product, I'd be much better off doing some extra hrs at work and just buying it. But I enjoy creating videos, especially within the flight sim space, so that's where I prefer to spend my time.
@@g-locmedia Sorry but you misunderstood me. I did not mean to imply you only make videos to get free products, but instead the opposite, that you and many other haven't reviewed the MFGs because you don't get them for free and don't want to buy them, as you say. I'm assuming Milan doesn't send out samples to anyone, hence why very few comparisons exist.
@JohnVanderbeck yea I can't comment for anyone else so I've no idea whether they send review samples or not. If the opportunity ever arises to review them I'll happily take it. As it would be a great addition to the video library on the channel.
vkb mk 5 with the pedals adjusted at the highest pedal setting is linear , so is thurstmasters cheapest rudder product pretty much all of them are actually .also the center cam that links the 2 sides will ware on the nylon bush this will make them very sloppy after not a lot of time .not worth anywhere that much just for load sensors .its just a high price to simulate quality ..its not
Unsure about the VKB's but have a set TPRs and while the move in a linear fashion forward and back they do arc down through the motion as they are pendular. Great rudder but not full linear. I'll check out the VKB's
@@g-locmedia TPR are not thrustmasters cheapest they are the most expensive the cheapest are TFRP at $129 usd they are full linear they run on straight rails like these do
They look great, but still overpriced for what they are. I could get a full FFBeast set together for less than half that cost. Where imo force feedback adds a lot more to the experience.
Finally!
Finally???
@@g-locmedia yes I was looking around for reviews on these pedals. If they were like $600 bucks they would sell like crazy and last for a lifetime. The price puts them out of reach for most.
@@g-locmedia sorry, yeah I want these pedals and was looking fro someone to review.
At a certain point, you start to wonder if it's cheaper to just fly an actual airplane.
In some sense yea. I could have 1 or two days rental for the price of these. However, some people use this stuff for training which can drastically reduce your costs of flying for real. Others use it for entertainment, which is where I am, so regardless how it weighs up, I still love the simulation and tech side. There's know way I could ever afford even s small plane, with all the running costa and insurance, hangar keep costs. It would quickly snowball.
@@g-locmedia Yeah, as soon as you do the math, it's still way cheaper to get these than to fly for real. In USD, an hour of wet tach runs $150 minimum. Getting a PPL can run well into five figures.
The real question is, are these worth the 2-4x premium over the competition? But I guess that's what your video is about. Thanks for taking the time to respond.
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At this price, it's a big NO... and it's a shame, because this material seems to be at a good level
They will price a lot of people out. But yes, the materials and finish are awesome!
To be honest, it's one of the few things I've looked the price up for and not been surprised for a change. It looks like a tank.
@@CrashTestPilot lol. The build quality is top notch.
Hilariously ridiculous over kill for rudders
when you see how much brake pressure can be used in the software, the build start to make more sense. Maybe I should have showed that.
The ONLY way I am paying more than one THOUSAND dollars for rudder pedals, it better be able to give blow jobs on demand. The price is INSANE and the only possible explanation is the company is gouging the hell out of their customer base.
Fairly similar to the pricing you can see in the Sim racing sector. Putting the price aside the build quality is pretty extreme.