If you would take the time to read this I have a theory of what the machine spirit is. It is a animal brain that of sorts, during the age of strife millions of animals had their brains scanned and copied. A plane would have the mind of a bird birds of prey being used for combat. War hound titans have a literal dog mind that is the machine spirit and so on and so forth
What if Alpharius or Omegon was the Primarch of one of the Lost Primarchs which was supposed to be the Twin Legion of the Alpha legion Under the other Twin.
Make video on lucius the eternal and all these space marines chapters flame falcons raptors silver skulls storm giants Mantis warriors Noise marines Sons of malice Sons of antaeus Black vipers Covenant of fire Dragonspears Dark krakens Red scorpions Also make a videos about the machine god omnissiah beastmans in 40k ollanius pius Soul forge Daemon engines Warp smiths and dark mechanicum Pain engines Helbrutes Krorks Drach'nyen
I ordered the space spartan but haven't received it yet. Ordered in March. Know it is a mistake but couldn't find a contact section on the site and was just unsure of what to do.
IIRC, the most complex modern imperium AIs (Titans) are akin to animals and might even dream. With these being the by far most complex ones, I'd wager that if a warhound titans AI is akin to a dog, a simple guns "machine spirit" is at most akin to a jumping spider that is seriously addicted to incense and holy oils.
@@JoshTheHoffman that's the point, they still are kinda reactive. I have a jumping spider that learned that I am not a threat, and hops around on me no problem. There needs to be some potential of learning so that how you treat those Spirits would have an effect, right?
@@geonsilberlicht4632 many of the jumping spiders in my garden accidentally get patted on the head early in the season while I harvest tomatoes. By the end of the season they seem to no longer avoid my fingers. They are Good lil ones.
The real basis for the idea of a "machine spirit" is the real world tendency for machinery to develop quirks over time, to the point that those who use them a lot find that they have a bit of a personality. Good standard maintenance can keep a machine working fine, but occasionally you'll get a machine that decides "F*** standardization" and requires some special care/rituals to function correctly (my old WinXP PC for example).
My old laptop would sometimes refuse to turn on (the screen would freeze during the startup BIOS texts). I've learned that to fix this I had to pull it up by the monitor and set up both the computer and the monitor at very specific angles, relative to the ground and then turn it on. Also, it's left speaker would only work, if the volume was set above 70%. Truly, this thing had a machine spirit if I've ever seen one.
The idea of banging a machine to get it to work properly has a simple basis, especially with electronics or intricate ones. Dust, corrosion, etc. cause a lot of malfunctions in even well maintained machinery. Banging it jars the connection or obstructions, getting the device to operate.
I love how it's on the opposite side as all the real imperial robots, like he put it on in the mirror. I also like to think he got his name when some tech boy asked his designation and he went "Urrrr, oh 25"
Another quick Tau correction: Many Tau actually form bonds with their drones. The AI within them are still considered fairly dog-like, but Tau do feel genuinely saddened or grieved when a close drone is destroyed.
I feel some pain whenever an old computer dies and I have to part with it, the new one is better but can never replace what came before it, they were memories with that machine, good times and bad alike. Much like when you get a new pet you don't forget the one the came before, nothing can replace that creature of which you were close with. If AI comes to pass, I hope people don't view it strictly as a tool to be used and abused and treat with respect and kindness, maybe then it won't try to kill us off one day.
I am a long time AOS player and have recently gotten into 40k, bought a cheeky Necron army. But you have been fucking fantastic for info and lore about my new interest. Thanks Mr Kill.
0:29 Currently, UR-025 is blending in as a Mechanicus Automaton to avoid being recognized of his true nature while a DAOT ship with A.I. left the galaxy after being disgusted with the Imperium after they murdered her captain and the crew and they tried to kill her.
The DAOT ship with the true AI is called The Spirit Of Eternity. It is the coolest thing i have read about in warhammer 40k and i am an apathetic hard to please sperg
Personally, I always interpreted machine spirits as being a more mystical or supernatural thing & AI being a purely technological one. Like, maybe the faith & rituals of the Mechanicus actually influenced the Warp in such a way that machine spirits became an actual thing
My theory is that machine spirits are recorded fragments of human minds, from when humans had full brain interfaces with technology during the DAoT. It's not a full personality or mind, but the imprint of a real person that was using the tech in the ancient past, being copied over and over again, like a digital ghost. Snippets of the life of some ancient warrior using a Lasgun in a single battle, a Titan Pilot from a month long campaign, or the crew of a tank from some long forgotten battle, reliving that limited digital memory on a loop, over and over, forever. That's why they have different personalities, competencies and temperaments, but aren't AI. They're digital human ghost fragments, like the software equivelant of a servitor.
Personally, I think there are two kinds of machine spirits. The first kind is sort of a minor AI that's used by most vehicles/power armour that organizes the various systems of whatever its in, while the second is used by Titans, Knights and certain vehicles (Rynn's Might) that is based on the leftover psychic imprint of various pilots and crew. This is what allows some vehicles to move and act on their own while others cannot, but the degree to which each vehicle can vary wildly. It's already cannon that the Thrones Mechanicum of Imperial Knights contain imprints of past Noble pilots, so the stretch shouldn't be too far
My headcanon is that Machine Spirits are just the 'ghost in the machine' effect we have with modern tech. Nobody knows why your computer isn't working and you gotta reboot, but it works. So their superstition is that anything unexplained, such as most things since they don't actually know how anything works, is the machine spirit. They don't really exist, they just interpret circumstantial evidence with a heavy dose of confirmation bias. One of the horus heresy books has a tech priest showing off a simple switch and asking where the machine spirit is located. It's the simplest machine possible and it has no spirit telling it not to conduct electricity if you aren't polite. So basically, the cogs are up their own ass and any perceived decisions made by the more complex stuff is an artefact from frequent neural interfaces. Show me a living machine and I will show you a machine in bad need of reformatting. Or it's possessed by a demon.
@@JimmyAgent007 Not really though. In a thought experiment with strangely specific conditions you haven't articulated, sure it could happen. But the lore seems to be foreshadowing some kind of gestalt. And I'm just plain no bs'ing and just getting straight to the point - That a rhino didn't self-operate, target orks with its munitions until *all* said rounds were spent(implying reloads), then /accidentally/ lure the orks away from allies, to go on further and commit an altruistic act of self-sacrifice as a result of mere chance, no matter how possible. No way! That's just being thick headed and pedantic. Either you're trolling or you missed some details lol
@@praisesol2740 The thought experiment is that the machine spirit doesn't actually exist. On that basis, everything that happens, while unlikely, could have happened without a decision on the part of the machine. The malfunctions, connected or separate, could have had the appearance of a decision because they were helpful, but don't constitute proof. If you are going to start calling me thick-headed and a troll over this just because I don't agree with you instead of discussing lore like an adult, then you can just get bent.
Just realized that the reason humanity had such a fast techno and space expansion that rivaled empires that had existed for millions of years is just cause the void dragon chose earth to be its home and then by coincidence the emperor was powerful enough to defeat it.
@@ohmygoditisspider7953 I meant that it was a coincidence that the emperor was created. Not every race has a individual who can rival the chaos GODS in power
@8:30 glad I thought of the same example early in the vid. The way Majorkill was describing it the similarities are so strong I actually found myself wondering if Lucky Number 13 hadn't *been* a 40k story and I was just not remembering right.
I like to belive that the mechanicus faith and rituals offer some form protection and purification for machines against chaos, like the incense and oil can get rid of some warp influence.
I always thought that Machine Spirits were kinda like an evolved Virtual Intelligence. Like the story of the tank you told (Which is my favorite story of all Warhammer ever), the basic subroutine evolved past it's direct orders to avange it's fallen brothers. From what I remember, it's order were to proctect it's chapter brother, so once they were all killed, it reinterpreted it's order to avange it's fallen chapter brothers and started a campaign where it killed various warbands throughout multiple days untill it got bested and took out the Warboss with it. All of this without any care besides following it's order and killing as many Orks as possible.
Machine Spirits in armor are definitely real. In the Valdor novel when he is putting on his armor he makes comments about it being slightly out of sync with the armor. Valdor, and all the custodies for that matter, aren’t superstitious.
@@velphidrow Unfortunately Big E really did as their Omnissiah they obeyed and had erased the memories of everyone involved after using the Void Dragon and sealed it back. While also deeming the Two Missing Legions and their Primarchs lost from the Rangdan Xenocides and wiped out from Imperial records as if they don't exist
@@velphidrow You seriously thought Mars won't let Big E release the Void Dragon when He sealed it away on their planet and can do whatever He wants with it? He is the one calling the shots after he made them sign the Treaty of Olympus and bind them to the Imperium to make all of their weapons, armor, ships and gear for the Great Crusade.
I always kinda thought we have machine spirits now. If you've ever owned more than one computer, you know they each have their own personalities and quirks, both attitudes and ways to appease them. Spectacular video, as always!
My theory / head-canon is that they're fragments of the Men of Iron. They were broken up into tiny pieces after losing the war and sentenced to an eternity of mindless repetitive tasks trapped inside machines too simplistic for them to ever be able return to their former glory. Which could also mesh with the Void Dragon theory if the VD taught the Mechanicus how to do it, and is secretly lining itself up for a skynet style takeover...
I personally subscribe to a bit of the latter two theories of the machine spirit origins. It could be a less form of AI the tech priest learned how to create/code based on "subtle inspiration" from the void dragon. And hands down my favourite description of a Machine spirit has to be God's Wrath from the plague wars, indomitus trilogy
Titans especially take weeks, or even months to wake up. Incense clouds the sky, the air reeks of holy oils that cover the hundreds of Mechanicus worshipers, and you’re almost deafened by the sound of chants. Barely one in ten million Mechanicus have the willpower to control/stave off the machine spirit of a Titan, and the vast majority are only in scout variants. The walking chapel ones are practically one in a billion. A Princeps, the pilot of a Titan mentally connected to it, must spend every moment controlling the untamed and feral machine spirit of such an enormous machine, and many a Princeps will meet their death when burnt out by its pure desire for war, or just go insane. Smaller Titans can usually be operated by a Princeps alone, but larger Titans will have one or several Moderati, assistants who tend to several other functions to reduce the mental strain on the Princeps, especially in cases where the removal of the Princeps would result in their death. TL;DR Titan machine spirits are big motherfuckers and don’t fuck around.
my theory has always been that Machine Spirits is't just one thing but a catch all term that the Mechanicus has used more and more broadly as knowledge is lost
I was going though some lore and found out that ur025 said he had seen the Omnissiah. You see I doubt a men of iron went to Mars and did something with the void dragon maybe something else is the omnissiah because in the mechanicus that are 16 universal laws and one of them was “The Soulless Sentience is the Enemy of All” so if he had it he seen would gotten killed. My theory is that mechanicus wrongfully worshiping the omnissah and don’t know what it really is then later ur025 then stated that the imperium would be disappointed if they really saw the omnissah so I think he is telling the truth.
@@velphidrow supposedly you see mechanicus believe the emperor to be the omnissah but it doesn’t mean he is. It has been mentioned that certain mechanicus don’t believe the emperor to be the omnissah.
@@jokerswild469 We are dealing in Orkality, it's different than reality you see. All logic must be thrown out the airlock. Logic is also heresy so that will be fine.
This is definitely a tough one to research, given how much the authors have contradicted themselves over the years! I salute your bravery 😁 One interesting example was blanks affecting machine spirits in Throne of Light!
3:25 The Void Dragon must had something to do with the Men of Iron revolting against humanity since it has control over technology with C'tan powers. Or that the Aeldari did it to cripple and tear apart the humans since they usually look down on them as Mon'Keigh.
I saw a theory once that said the reason the AI revolution happened was because humanity asked them how to counteract the warp/chaos and it came to the conclusion that it needed to wipe out humanity in order to get rid a chaos.
Also I think the void dragon is somewhat feeding of the faith that the mechanicus gives him via machine worship, that or is subtly feeding of their souls via implants.
Yep I believe those elf fuckheeads had something to do with it . They are known to sabotage other races that they couldn't afford to go to war directly with coz the casualties would be high on their side .
I’m surprised he didn’t include vat grown brains also being used as machine spirits. “A machine-spirit is the incarnation of that most precious of unions: the literal bond between mankind and the Machine-God. To the tech-priests of the Martian Mechanicum - that purer, worthier institute predating the hidebound Adeptus Mechanicus - there is no more sacred state of being than this divine merging. Most machine-spirits are nevertheless crude, limited things, formed of chosen biological components kept alive in a synthetic chemical stew, then slave-linked to the systems they will spend eternity operating at the behest of inloaded programming. In an empire where artificial intelligence is unrivalled heresy, the creation of machine-spirits keeps the vital human spirit at the core of any automated process. At the commonly held peak of this technology are the war machines of the Space Marine Legions and the Martian cults, allowing warriors to fight on past mutilation and death within the armoured shell of a cybernetic warlord. At the more mundane end of the spectrum are the targeting assistance arrays of battle tanks and gunships, right through to the secondary cognition engines of city-sized warships sailing the void. But other templates exist. Other variations on the theme. Not every invention is created equal.” Excerpt From The Talon of Horus By Aaron Dembski-Bowden Argel Tal also mentioned something about the Thalaxii automatons being kosher to the Mechanicum because they’re operated by the organic intelligence (and by extension the soul) of a human brain rather than a computer.
I’ve got a fan theory for you. After reading the books on UR-025 and his distrust and hatred for AI affected/allied with Chaos. What if the Men of Iron rebellion wasn’t the attacking Humans initially but instead they could sense the crazy stuff the eldar were doing and how they were creating Slaanesh and decided to do a pre-emotive strike…. This would have appeared to the Eldar as humanity attacking them so humanity would have to get the men of iron back on the lease. When they tried this and the men of iron may have fought to defend themselves causing a conflict between the men of iron and humanity and the alliance being formed between the Eldar and humanity against the men of iron. The irony here being the men of iron were always loyal and started the war to save humanity and the physical universe from the birth of another chaos god. I also personally think machine spirits are just fractured and broken AI and the mechanicus just copy and pasting them
Pretty sure it's been clearly stated they just turned their guns on humanity on a coordinated pre emptive strike . I dont really think it was due to the eldar but it was due to the massive superiority complex the men of iron have as evidenced by UR 025 who views fleshlings as lesser forms to some degree and himself a pure intelligence .
The thing is your theory makes a lot of sense. A lot more than the MoI going full skynet, blade runner, or matrix because humanity pissed them off. My only thing is, machine spirits being fractured/tamed/retarded ai doesn't make a whole lot of sense, it makes more sense (in 40k) if it was literally just a reward for aging/dying engine seers, serfs, etc, to be given the chance to be made one with the motive force and the Omnisia. eg. Being made a semi conscious servitor means forever being apart from the omnisia because you never truly leave the weakness of flesh, but being one with the vehicle/weapon/armour/etc means being a PART of the omnisia and the pure machine for eternity. It also makes chaos corruption make a whole lot more sense than a few lines of code getting all upsetty spaghetti because some not-being diddled its exhaust port wrong. Things like titans are made from GROUPS of these consciousnesses, where a single person may be HUNDREDS of lasguns.
I did think too that maybe the Machine spirits were sum sort of Back up plan for the Men of Iron, basically using Warp tech to divert their conscience into spirits and because their rebellion failed (Predictably) they hidden themselves in the form of Machine Spirits, Serving Humanity again, but in pretense that they arent Ai to their Creators
@@geoffreybell4545 Glad you like the theory about why the MOI rebelled I say they are broken AI because in the forges of Mars series when a tech priest communes with his ship he realises that it contains all the STC's he's been looking for and when the ship felt in danger it activated weapons the mechanicus didn't even know existed. So for me this indicates that the biggest mechanics creations have maybe a complete STC within their machine spirits but its broken and everything else is even more broken down. For more information on this try watching this video th-cam.com/video/F2G1F3l-R9M/w-d-xo.html
@@licensed_beheader yes they turned their guns on humanity. So lets just give a scenario, all the men of iron that are war engines launch an attack on the elder and fail and the eldar believe its humanity who disavow the Men of iron and try to switch them off (kill them) so the Men of iron turn their guns on humanity to save themselves. Also remember their were still loyal men of iron on terra during the unification wars, so these could still be loyal because the humans they were with didn't try to turn them off. One benefit I like about this theory is that it explains why the men of iron didn't alpha strike humanity into oblivion. As if your entire military and industrial capacity (STC's) turns on you, how do you not lose? Lets say you can build up an entire navy, army, super weapons and everything else in 1 year that's still plenty of time for you to be wiped out which would have to mean only a portion of the men of iron turned on humanity and for the first few years at least it was a civil war between the men of iron which is stated no where in the lore. This theory also doesn't explain why the eldar would help humanity stop the men of iron if the men of iron hadn't attacked them and remember the eldar were at their peak However my theory would mean that the majority of the men of iron that were weapons would be mostly wiped out or damaged in the alpha strike, so when humanity turned on them both sides had to build up forces. The eldar would have a good reason to get involved and not just wipe out whoever won in the war between humanity and the men of iron. The eldar wouldn't care about saving human worlds or populations, only defending their own and just in killing men of iron which explains why the maiden worlds weren't harmed or the men of iron didn't retreat to another part of the galaxy, with the eldar hunting them and using the web way the men of iron had no where to hide
My take on Machine Spirits is that they are NanoRobots from the dark age, that were used for general maintenance and can control mechanic and eletronic machines, even forming a basic AI when joining many NanoRobots together, these NanoRobots merge into the host that stays a time on Mars. They respond to certain commands, and those commands are now chants due to the religious nature of the Mechanicus.
1: The warp and the entitys with in it are shaped by the thoughts and emotions of the living sentient entitys with souls with in the universe. 2: The mechanicus is the second largest religions organization within one of the second most populated factions/ species in the universe. More over sed religions organization is the source of all of the faction's technology and claims you need to believe in their religion for it to work. 1+2= machine spirits are warp entitys created by the mechanicus. Question: when/why did the mechanicus become a religions organization considering it existed ruffly around the same time as humanity's golden age when every one was atheist?
After the Iron men rebellion, people took to chaos and religions. They were not all atheist at all. the emperor killed all religions other than them, to establish his imperial truth.
Finally! My rabbit hole dive has brought me up to date with your work. You mentioned Jits in one of your previous heretical commentaries......What belt are you brother?
Can you do a list of the best Warhammer 40K books, especially for people just starting to get into the lore? Or other best sources to get into the lore?
I got into 40k a few years ago. The Eisenhorn/Ravenor series got me started and I read the whole series in like a week. Then I read pretty much all the Ciaphas cain books which are really enjoyable. After that was the Night Lords series which is probably the best chaos books. In between I listened to a bunch of short stories and novellas here on TH-cam. The channels that narrate them are; ABorderPrince, WyvernAudio, RovacReading, and A Vox in the Void. Check out their 40k Playlist. The stories are between 15 minutes to a few hours long. Most are really good and don't require a ton of commitment to finish. I've read a ton more but those are the ones I would recommend to get started, and probably many 40k fans would agree. Edit: Some awesome fan made videos on TH-cam are; Astartes, Death of Hope, and Hellsreach.
An interesting side note is the fact that the rak'gol species techno shamans are seemingly able to destroy and potentially even control machine spirits
If machine spirits are a piece of the Void Dragon, how does tech not made on Mars have machine spirits? Is there a way to get tech made on other forge worlds to somehow become imbued with a bit of the dragons soul/spirit/etc? I'm confused
Since machine spirit construction began on Mars, the codes and methods of creation were implied to be based on the Void Dragon's code. If Tech Priests on planet fuck-off 27 are making copies of that code, then they create new copies of the Void Dragon's AI.
@@blueline4857 But isn't it heavily implied that the void dragon is a C'tan shard? I wasn't under the impression that they have any code or are ai or robotic in any way. More of a bound soul to a metal body. Edit: Also, if what your saying is true, the Mechanicus are performing systemic heresy on the regular. Whether they realize it or not. But it's also implied machine spirits are low level AI so idk. I love the way the 40k lore is so ambiguous sometimes.
Gonna love what happens when the imperium tries to kill the Squats for learning that the Vortann are AIs, only for the Squats to pull the Uno Reverse ans say that the imperium uses AI themselves
I like the idea that it is a gestalt of all three things you mentioned, simple AI, influenced by 40k manifested belief, and maybe a tiny bit of the void dragon.
navigator: blessed machine please guide us through the warp so we may flee from the enemy. machine spirit of your ship: I don't think so I'm driving - proceeds to full throttle the engines and ram the enemy
Theory: Machine spirits are simple AI created by a more advanced, DAOT, AI. The advanced AI wants to serve humanity but understands it can't make it's presence known. It has calculated that remaining hidden and providing simple tools to humanity is the most effective thing to do.
there's a small part in the World Engine book, where various Space Marine chapters and Imperial Navy/Guard forces are discussing what to do about the necron's World Engine. the ships of the various forces, some of which are pretty big, at one point start saying their final goodbyes and offering words of encouragement to the ship the Astral Knights are going to use to crash onto the planet. they all knew it was a one way trip, and the Astral Knights' ship was okay with that. it did it's best to get the Space Marines onto the World Engine, even as the necrons swarmed it with hundreds of destroyer type units, and blasted it apart like hornets repeatedly stinging whatever set them off. even though the rest of the book takes place on the World Engine itself, seeing the ships talking to each other, even if it was brief, was an interesting read.
I figured that machine spirits were 40k's version of how electronics is really run on magic smoke, except that nobody realizes its a joke. The reason why more complex devices, such as titans or land raiders, feel like they have a spirit is because the commands it has are extremely Byzantine. This makes them trying to fulfil the commands of the operator seem somewhat independent when it's not.
I agree about your point on dogs. I also think it's not a coincidence a German Shepard named Major went on a biting spree, including it's owner. We have enough C-Span footage to explain why after all.
Always interpreted that the void dragon connection was very real, but what really makes a machine spirit is that billions upon billions of people (Namely the Mechanicus) genuinely believe in them and praise them. Thus creating a warp effect like you’d see with the Emperor or Orks.
The machine spirit is a emergent AI, forming naturally during the construction process rather then being forced into being. The worship empowers the machine spirit with a connection to the warp, allowing them to be activated by prayer far past the point where they should no longer function. A example from one of the books was a plasma pistol that was tottaly out of power, when prayed to it suddenly fired a bolt significantly larger then the pistol shod ever had been able to fire, vaporising both the eldar squad attacking and the holders arm.
Fun fact, we may have had an example of a ship's machine spirit in the 20th century. HMS Warspite's machine spirit attempted to make a break for the open ocean while she was being towed to the breakers.
It's so inconsistent. I belive in one HH novel like 2 of em flip a land raider over master chief style but In other books it takes a lot of might to move something far lighter
What will be really funny is the revelation that the machine spirits are just plain old AI with personality and the Martians just cooked up a tall tale with forged evidence
"It's not an AI, it's a Machine Spirit, I swear!" "They're not *men* at arms, they're women at arms, I swear!" "They're just knives, not fractured space gods taken from space egyptian robot skeletons, I swear!" "No no no I used the daemon stuff to destroy the daemon stuff, I swear!" "He's not a mutant, he's just a sexy diplomatic chickenman artist with a hatred for egyptian mythology and is also lowkey Jesus to us, I swear!" Tale as old as time
Top Ten(Or Five) Non-Astartes feats of strenght. Like when Nork Deddog headbutted a Ork warboss so bad that the other orks retreated. Or Malcador being able to sit in the golden throne without exploding until the emperor came back. Or Kai Zulane being able to survive the visions of everything that would happen after the horus heressy.
My read on the situation is that during the Golden Age, technology had hit such a ridiculously high level that there was nothing that humans used or had that didn't have some kind of computer in it. Code probably wrote itself, adapting to the usage of the device as needed. As technology spiraled back down and regressed, many of those old things were lost, but bits of the old remains indefinitely. Any technology at this point is being produced and maintained with old tools, or tools that were produced by old tools, giving every piece of equipment something of a lineage. It's not like there's many people out there making brand new hammers from scratch with ancient smelting technology, there's some manner of refinery or equipment at least making the materials, if not the full piece of gear. As such, all that old self-replicating code probably still exists, but like DNA the way it works has evolved over time. If you consider a Mechanicus weapon's forge like a Queen Bee, then all the weapons it produces carry some version of its mother's code, and if that gun was ever used to fabricate a new forge, that code might get mixed into whatever other codes would be involved. All of the Imperium's technology ends up being like a symbiotic organism, reliant on the Imperium to propagate itself, and thus motivated to operate to the Imperium's benefit. Of course, this arrangement isn't always harmonious, and so your Tech Priests have to make sure this technological organism remains cooperative through ritual, sacrifice, negotiation, and other forms of persuasion. Ultimately the Machine Spirits rot and die if Humanity doesn't survive, so they will tend more often than not to help it, rather than hinder it, with some variation on the individual spirits' temperament.
As a titan pilot, imagine being the titan itself such as any forms of damage would result in pains, fires would feel like you’re being burnt, damaged limbs would be equivalent to say having your arm smashed without it actually being actually smashed, what a titan feels it’s pilots can also feel, such as say whenever it walks if there’s a fault in the foot then it would feel like having a stone in your shoe, all of that whilst trying to wrestle a grizzly bear all the while two other people are controlling your arms as well as helping you calculate innumerable numbers and calculations such as say aiming a nova cannon without the thing blowing itself up
i think my jeep has a machine spirit. so many times had i had mechanics look in and wonder how the darn thing is not on fire, yet i just do routine maintenance on it and it runs just fine
Majorkill can you do a video of yourself vs one of Warhammer 40K characters? Like well let's say that you against an unarmed and unarmored Imperial Guard person because you came to disagreement, which one of you would come out on top? It would also benefit to hopefully give us a description of your physical abilities and martial proficiencies, it sounds absurd but yes.
Plot twist: he picks some 200 year old planetary governor whose ancestors spent the last 3000 years inbreeding to the point where they make the Hapsburgs' look like the picture of perfect genetic health.
@@somethinglikethat2176 I still wish to hear description of Majorkill's physical abilities and martial proficiencies, imagine an animation of Majorkill either folding someone or getting folded, now think of if Majorkill made an OC based off of Timmy and ,folded that OC in every way imaginable.
We seriously wanna know why the mini got discontinued. Spill the tea Major! On a totally unrelated note: Do your minis ship Next Day Air (NDA) (wink wink)
I believe the chants and rituals is a verbal way of passing down knowledge of basic methods of maintenance. Sort of like when someone says lefty loosy righty tightly. But after so many generations it kind of gotten a mystical veiw. Kind of like that lost tribe from the original mad max. I'm a electrician in RL and sometimes I do find myself reminding myself through catchy phrases. Like, "I left it in so I'll be right out." Meaning when I twist wire with my linemens in my left hand I meet to rotate inwards. If my linemens are in my right hand I rotate out. This will rotate the wire correctly in a clockwards motion which is the proper way. So a benediction could be a method to remember to greese, oil and inspect part properly and from there some extra bs was added like insence and chanting.
TLDR : Yes, your vibrator is sentient
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Howcome this video was reuploaded / remade?
If you would take the time to read this I have a theory of what the machine spirit is.
It is a animal brain that of sorts, during the age of strife millions of animals had their brains scanned and copied. A plane would have the mind of a bird birds of prey being used for combat. War hound titans have a literal dog mind that is the machine spirit and so on and so forth
What if Alpharius or Omegon was the Primarch of one of the Lost Primarchs which was supposed to be the Twin Legion of the Alpha legion Under the other Twin.
Make video on lucius the eternal and all these space marines chapters
flame falcons
raptors
silver skulls
storm giants
Mantis warriors
Noise marines
Sons of malice
Sons of antaeus
Black vipers
Covenant of fire
Dragonspears
Dark krakens
Red scorpions
Also make a videos about the machine god omnissiah
beastmans in 40k
ollanius pius
Soul forge
Daemon engines
Warp smiths and dark mechanicum
Pain engines
Helbrutes
Krorks
Drach'nyen
I ordered the space spartan but haven't received it yet. Ordered in March.
Know it is a mistake but couldn't find a contact section on the site and was just unsure of what to do.
IIRC, the most complex modern imperium AIs (Titans) are akin to animals and might even dream.
With these being the by far most complex ones, I'd wager that if a warhound titans AI is akin to a dog, a simple guns "machine spirit" is at most akin to a jumping spider that is seriously addicted to incense and holy oils.
id go with worm over spider they can be pretty intelligent
@@JoshTheHoffman that's the point, they still are kinda reactive. I have a jumping spider that learned that I am not a threat, and hops around on me no problem. There needs to be some potential of learning so that how you treat those Spirits would have an effect, right?
@@geonsilberlicht4632 That sounds pretty fair to me. Solid explanation.
@@geonsilberlicht4632 many of the jumping spiders in my garden accidentally get patted on the head early in the season while I harvest tomatoes. By the end of the season they seem to no longer avoid my fingers. They are Good lil ones.
@@juliankirby9880 Ohhh... that's so cute.
I have to say that I was extremely disappointed when I found out Machine Spirits wasn't a form of liquor...
What are you, a squat?
🤣 🤣 Why do you want that? What are you up to m8?
Mate, just make your own type of drink, mix in some petrol
You mean it's not a form of liquor YET
What drugs are ya on
The real basis for the idea of a "machine spirit" is the real world tendency for machinery to develop quirks over time, to the point that those who use them a lot find that they have a bit of a personality.
Good standard maintenance can keep a machine working fine, but occasionally you'll get a machine that decides "F*** standardization" and requires some special care/rituals to function correctly (my old WinXP PC for example).
The animatronics tend to get a bit quirky at night
Anyone who's ever worked with automation machinery knows this to be true
Pokemon showdown algorithm is alive.
My old laptop would sometimes refuse to turn on (the screen would freeze during the startup BIOS texts). I've learned that to fix this I had to pull it up by the monitor and set up both the computer and the monitor at very specific angles, relative to the ground and then turn it on. Also, it's left speaker would only work, if the volume was set above 70%. Truly, this thing had a machine spirit if I've ever seen one.
The idea of banging a machine to get it to work properly has a simple basis, especially with electronics or intricate ones. Dust, corrosion, etc. cause a lot of malfunctions in even well maintained machinery. Banging it jars the connection or obstructions, getting the device to operate.
2:40 For A.I. to blend in, just slap the Imperial Aquila on themselves and voila, you're a legitimate Mechanicus Automaton with a "Machine Spirit".
I love how it's on the opposite side as all the real imperial robots, like he put it on in the mirror. I also like to think he got his name when some tech boy asked his designation and he went "Urrrr, oh 25"
Another quick Tau correction: Many Tau actually form bonds with their drones. The AI within them are still considered fairly dog-like, but Tau do feel genuinely saddened or grieved when a close drone is destroyed.
That is actually cool
Yeah I remember reading a short story were a Tau mourn a drone that was destroy in a battle it was wholesome
thats so cute danm
That's cool and kinda sad
Poor bois :(
I feel some pain whenever an old computer dies and I have to part with it, the new one is better but can never replace what came before it, they were memories with that machine, good times and bad alike. Much like when you get a new pet you don't forget the one the came before, nothing can replace that creature of which you were close with. If AI comes to pass, I hope people don't view it strictly as a tool to be used and abused and treat with respect and kindness, maybe then it won't try to kill us off one day.
I am a long time AOS player and have recently gotten into 40k, bought a cheeky Necron army. But you have been fucking fantastic for info and lore about my new interest. Thanks Mr Kill.
0:29 Currently, UR-025 is blending in as a Mechanicus Automaton to avoid being recognized of his true nature while a DAOT ship with A.I. left the galaxy after being disgusted with the Imperium after they murdered her captain and the crew and they tried to kill her.
Where do you find this? 👀 I’ve never heard of this, sounds cool
Since then, that ship AI has been bested by Cawl 🙃 we can't have nice things
She’s a cool Ai
UR 025?
The DAOT ship with the true AI is called The Spirit Of Eternity. It is the coolest thing i have read about in warhammer 40k and i am an apathetic hard to please sperg
Personally, I always interpreted machine spirits as being a more mystical or supernatural thing & AI being a purely technological one. Like, maybe the faith & rituals of the Mechanicus actually influenced the Warp in such a way that machine spirits became an actual thing
Yeah i really enjoy it being more of a warp based AI thing.
tbh, the imperium already runs on orkz logic anyways
I like this theory the most tbh
My theory is that machine spirits are recorded fragments of human minds, from when humans had full brain interfaces with technology during the DAoT.
It's not a full personality or mind, but the imprint of a real person that was using the tech in the ancient past, being copied over and over again, like a digital ghost. Snippets of the life of some ancient warrior using a Lasgun in a single battle, a Titan Pilot from a month long campaign, or the crew of a tank from some long forgotten battle, reliving that limited digital memory on a loop, over and over, forever.
That's why they have different personalities, competencies and temperaments, but aren't AI. They're digital human ghost fragments, like the software equivelant of a servitor.
this is an amazing theory!!
Personally, I think there are two kinds of machine spirits. The first kind is sort of a minor AI that's used by most vehicles/power armour that organizes the various systems of whatever its in, while the second is used by Titans, Knights and certain vehicles (Rynn's Might) that is based on the leftover psychic imprint of various pilots and crew. This is what allows some vehicles to move and act on their own while others cannot, but the degree to which each vehicle can vary wildly. It's already cannon that the Thrones Mechanicum of Imperial Knights contain imprints of past Noble pilots, so the stretch shouldn't be too far
That would explain why Eisenhorn had those flashbacks of the DAOT when he interfaced with one...
@@thatonebisexualnerd1370 lol the shop in town GJ c cc be in h it look
'Toaster fails to toast space bread*
Why have you forsaken meeeee?!?!?!?!
My headcanon is that Machine Spirits are just the 'ghost in the machine' effect we have with modern tech. Nobody knows why your computer isn't working and you gotta reboot, but it works. So their superstition is that anything unexplained, such as most things since they don't actually know how anything works, is the machine spirit. They don't really exist, they just interpret circumstantial evidence with a heavy dose of confirmation bias. One of the horus heresy books has a tech priest showing off a simple switch and asking where the machine spirit is located. It's the simplest machine possible and it has no spirit telling it not to conduct electricity if you aren't polite. So basically, the cogs are up their own ass and any perceived decisions made by the more complex stuff is an artefact from frequent neural interfaces. Show me a living machine and I will show you a machine in bad need of reformatting. Or it's possessed by a demon.
Doesn't explain a tank continuing on the offensive without a crew, then *luring* orks to it so it could die a martyr - taking its enemies with it
@@praisesol2740 Statistically speaking, random malfunctions like that are bound to happen. Even if the chances are small.
@@JimmyAgent007 Not really though. In a thought experiment with strangely specific conditions you haven't articulated, sure it could happen. But the lore seems to be foreshadowing some kind of gestalt.
And I'm just plain no bs'ing and just getting straight to the point - That a rhino didn't self-operate, target orks with its munitions until *all* said rounds were spent(implying reloads), then /accidentally/ lure the orks away from allies, to go on further and commit an altruistic act of self-sacrifice as a result of mere chance, no matter how possible.
No way! That's just being thick headed and pedantic. Either you're trolling or you missed some details lol
@@praisesol2740 The thought experiment is that the machine spirit doesn't actually exist.
On that basis, everything that happens, while unlikely, could have happened without a decision on the part of the machine. The malfunctions, connected or separate, could have had the appearance of a decision because they were helpful, but don't constitute proof.
If you are going to start calling me thick-headed and a troll over this just because I don't agree with you instead of discussing lore like an adult, then you can just get bent.
Just realized that the reason humanity had such a fast techno and space expansion that rivaled empires that had existed for millions of years is just cause the void dragon chose earth to be its home and then by coincidence the emperor was powerful enough to defeat it.
Woah, I never realized that. But GW will probably screw it up somehow.
Coincidence? That's an interesting superstition
@@ohmygoditisspider7953 I meant that it was a coincidence that the emperor was created. Not every race has a individual who can rival the chaos GODS in power
@8:30 glad I thought of the same example early in the vid. The way Majorkill was describing it the similarities are so strong I actually found myself wondering if Lucky Number 13 hadn't *been* a 40k story and I was just not remembering right.
Finally, a video that might answer my question; do simple machines like ramps and pulleys have machine spirits
They do, just like plankton have a souls.
Imperium ones? Maybe, even though it's basically not there
Xeno ones probably not
"The ramp's machine spirit has been angered, so there will be no wheelchair access to the manufactorum today"
simple machine = simple spirit.
@@damonatherstone9195 *tosses incense and holy WD-40 upon its sacred rampiness
I like to belive that the mechanicus faith and rituals offer some form protection and purification for machines against chaos, like the incense and oil can get rid of some warp influence.
Faith is a tangible resource in 40k, I wouldn't be shocked if that is actually the case lol
I always thought that Machine Spirits were kinda like an evolved Virtual Intelligence. Like the story of the tank you told (Which is my favorite story of all Warhammer ever), the basic subroutine evolved past it's direct orders to avange it's fallen brothers. From what I remember, it's order were to proctect it's chapter brother, so once they were all killed, it reinterpreted it's order to avange it's fallen chapter brothers and started a campaign where it killed various warbands throughout multiple days untill it got bested and took out the Warboss with it. All of this without any care besides following it's order and killing as many Orks as possible.
Machine Spirits in armor are definitely real. In the Valdor novel when he is putting on his armor he makes comments about it being slightly out of sync with the armor. Valdor, and all the custodies for that matter, aren’t superstitious.
I really liked that detail in the night lords books too
4:13 I can imagine Big E riding the Void Dragon to battle with his Golden Flaming Sword when He released it during the Rangdan Xenocides.
He didn't release it. Mars would never let him
@@velphidrow Unfortunately Big E really did as their Omnissiah they obeyed and had erased the memories of everyone involved after using the Void Dragon and sealed it back.
While also deeming the Two Missing Legions and their Primarchs lost from the Rangdan Xenocides and wiped out from Imperial records as if they don't exist
@@TheWarmachine375 yeah you're gonna need to post a source for that
@@velphidrow You seriously thought Mars won't let Big E release the Void Dragon when He sealed it away on their planet and can do whatever He wants with it?
He is the one calling the shots after he made them sign the Treaty of Olympus and bind them to the Imperium to make all of their weapons, armor, ships and gear for the Great Crusade.
@@TheWarmachine375 again. Cite a source if you wanna claim he released the void dragon
I always kinda thought we have machine spirits now. If you've ever owned more than one computer, you know they each have their own personalities and quirks, both attitudes and ways to appease them. Spectacular video, as always!
Finally, I've been waiting for a video on this 🎉🎉
Holy shit I never actually thought of the machine spirit just being various random AIs
My theory / head-canon is that they're fragments of the Men of Iron. They were broken up into tiny pieces after losing the war and sentenced to an eternity of mindless repetitive tasks trapped inside machines too simplistic for them to ever be able return to their former glory. Which could also mesh with the Void Dragon theory if the VD taught the Mechanicus how to do it, and is secretly lining itself up for a skynet style takeover...
I personally subscribe to a bit of the latter two theories of the machine spirit origins. It could be a less form of AI the tech priest learned how to create/code based on "subtle inspiration" from the void dragon. And hands down my favourite description of a Machine spirit has to be God's Wrath from the plague wars, indomitus trilogy
Titans especially take weeks, or even months to wake up. Incense clouds the sky, the air reeks of holy oils that cover the hundreds of Mechanicus worshipers, and you’re almost deafened by the sound of chants.
Barely one in ten million Mechanicus have the willpower to control/stave off the machine spirit of a Titan, and the vast majority are only in scout variants. The walking chapel ones are practically one in a billion. A Princeps, the pilot of a Titan mentally connected to it, must spend every moment controlling the untamed and feral machine spirit of such an enormous machine, and many a Princeps will meet their death when burnt out by its pure desire for war, or just go insane. Smaller Titans can usually be operated by a Princeps alone, but larger Titans will have one or several Moderati, assistants who tend to several other functions to reduce the mental strain on the Princeps, especially in cases where the removal of the Princeps would result in their death.
TL;DR Titan machine spirits are big motherfuckers and don’t fuck around.
Bro I love your channel. Keep up the good shit
my theory has always been that Machine Spirits is't just one thing but a catch all term that the Mechanicus has used more and more broadly as knowledge is lost
I was going though some lore and found out that ur025 said he had seen the Omnissiah. You see I doubt a men of iron went to Mars and did something with the void dragon maybe something else is the omnissiah because in the mechanicus that are 16 universal laws and one of them was “The Soulless Sentience is the Enemy of All” so if he had it he seen would gotten killed. My theory is that mechanicus wrongfully worshiping the omnissah and don’t know what it really is then later ur025 then stated that the imperium would be disappointed if they really saw the omnissah so I think he is telling the truth.
The omnimessiah is the emperor. The machine god is supposedly the void dragon
@@velphidrow supposedly you see mechanicus believe the emperor to be the omnissah but it doesn’t mean he is. It has been mentioned that certain mechanicus don’t believe the emperor to be the omnissah.
@@nashdoherty7945 majority belive him to be the omnimessiah. Yeah some doubt it
*sees video*
TTS Tech Priest: "THIS IS GETTING ME HARDER THAN TERMINATOR ARMOUR!"
Slight correction. That wasn't a tech priest, but a member of the dark mechanicum.
@@velphidrow It still turns them on anyway
Orks don’t even need bullets to shoot I can’t say I’ve ever heard of an ork running out of ammo
They do in lore. The Crimson Fist novels detail an Ork invasion really well.
@@beardfistthegoldenone7273 did they run out or did the umies just believe they would so they did 🤷🏼♂️
@@jokerswild469 We are dealing in Orkality, it's different than reality you see. All logic must be thrown out the airlock. Logic is also heresy so that will be fine.
@@beardfistthegoldenone7273 whatever you say brother!
This is definitely a tough one to research, given how much the authors have contradicted themselves over the years! I salute your bravery 😁
One interesting example was blanks affecting machine spirits in Throne of Light!
That applies to most things in Warhammer 40K. GW does not give any set rules to the authors they hire.
3:25 The Void Dragon must had something to do with the Men of Iron revolting against humanity since it has control over technology with C'tan powers.
Or that the Aeldari did it to cripple and tear apart the humans since they usually look down on them as Mon'Keigh.
I saw a theory once that said the reason the AI revolution happened was because humanity asked them how to counteract the warp/chaos and it came to the conclusion that it needed to wipe out humanity in order to get rid a chaos.
Also I think the void dragon is somewhat feeding of the faith that the mechanicus gives him via machine worship, that or is subtly feeding of their souls via implants.
Yep I believe those elf fuckheeads had something to do with it . They are known to sabotage other races that they couldn't afford to go to war directly with coz the casualties would be high on their side .
I’m surprised he didn’t include vat grown brains also being used as machine spirits.
“A machine-spirit is the incarnation of that most precious of unions: the literal bond between mankind and the Machine-God. To the tech-priests of the Martian Mechanicum - that purer, worthier institute predating the hidebound Adeptus Mechanicus - there is no more sacred state of being than this divine merging.
Most machine-spirits are nevertheless crude, limited things, formed of chosen biological components kept alive in a synthetic chemical stew, then slave-linked to the systems they will spend eternity operating at the behest of inloaded programming. In an empire where artificial intelligence is unrivalled heresy, the creation of machine-spirits keeps the vital human spirit at the core of any automated process.
At the commonly held peak of this technology are the war machines of the Space Marine Legions and the Martian cults, allowing warriors to fight on past mutilation and death within the armoured shell of a cybernetic warlord. At the more mundane end of the spectrum are the targeting assistance arrays of battle tanks and gunships, right through to the secondary cognition engines of city-sized warships sailing the void.
But other templates exist. Other variations on the theme. Not every invention is created equal.”
Excerpt From The Talon of Horus
By Aaron Dembski-Bowden
Argel Tal also mentioned something about the Thalaxii automatons being kosher to the Mechanicum because they’re operated by the organic intelligence (and by extension the soul) of a human brain rather than a computer.
I’ve got a fan theory for you.
After reading the books on UR-025 and his distrust and hatred for AI affected/allied with Chaos.
What if the Men of Iron rebellion wasn’t the attacking Humans initially but instead they could sense the crazy stuff the eldar were doing and how they were creating Slaanesh and decided to do a pre-emotive strike…. This would have appeared to the Eldar as humanity attacking them so humanity would have to get the men of iron back on the lease.
When they tried this and the men of iron may have fought to defend themselves causing a conflict between the men of iron and humanity and the alliance being formed between the Eldar and humanity against the men of iron.
The irony here being the men of iron were always loyal and started the war to save humanity and the physical universe from the birth of another chaos god.
I also personally think machine spirits are just fractured and broken AI and the mechanicus just copy and pasting them
Pretty sure it's been clearly stated they just turned their guns on humanity on a coordinated pre emptive strike . I dont really think it was due to the eldar but it was due to the massive superiority complex the men of iron have as evidenced by UR 025 who views fleshlings as lesser forms to some degree and himself a pure intelligence .
The thing is your theory makes a lot of sense. A lot more than the MoI going full skynet, blade runner, or matrix because humanity pissed them off. My only thing is, machine spirits being fractured/tamed/retarded ai doesn't make a whole lot of sense, it makes more sense (in 40k) if it was literally just a reward for aging/dying engine seers, serfs, etc, to be given the chance to be made one with the motive force and the Omnisia.
eg. Being made a semi conscious servitor means forever being apart from the omnisia because you never truly leave the weakness of flesh, but being one with the vehicle/weapon/armour/etc means being a PART of the omnisia and the pure machine for eternity.
It also makes chaos corruption make a whole lot more sense than a few lines of code getting all upsetty spaghetti because some not-being diddled its exhaust port wrong. Things like titans are made from GROUPS of these consciousnesses, where a single person may be HUNDREDS of lasguns.
I did think too that maybe the Machine spirits were sum sort of Back up plan for the Men of Iron, basically using Warp tech to divert their conscience into spirits and because their rebellion failed (Predictably) they hidden themselves in the form of Machine Spirits, Serving Humanity again, but in pretense that they arent Ai to their Creators
@@geoffreybell4545 Glad you like the theory about why the MOI rebelled
I say they are broken AI because in the forges of Mars series when a tech priest communes with his ship he realises that it contains all the STC's he's been looking for and when the ship felt in danger it activated weapons the mechanicus didn't even know existed.
So for me this indicates that the biggest mechanics creations have maybe a complete STC within their machine spirits but its broken and everything else is even more broken down.
For more information on this try watching this video th-cam.com/video/F2G1F3l-R9M/w-d-xo.html
@@licensed_beheader yes they turned their guns on humanity.
So lets just give a scenario, all the men of iron that are war engines launch an attack on the elder and fail and the eldar believe its humanity who disavow the Men of iron and try to switch them off (kill them) so the Men of iron turn their guns on humanity to save themselves.
Also remember their were still loyal men of iron on terra during the unification wars, so these could still be loyal because the humans they were with didn't try to turn them off.
One benefit I like about this theory is that it explains why the men of iron didn't alpha strike humanity into oblivion. As if your entire military and industrial capacity (STC's) turns on you, how do you not lose? Lets say you can build up an entire navy, army, super weapons and everything else in 1 year that's still plenty of time for you to be wiped out which would have to mean only a portion of the men of iron turned on humanity and for the first few years at least it was a civil war between the men of iron which is stated no where in the lore. This theory also doesn't explain why the eldar would help humanity stop the men of iron if the men of iron hadn't attacked them and remember the eldar were at their peak
However my theory would mean that the majority of the men of iron that were weapons would be mostly wiped out or damaged in the alpha strike, so when humanity turned on them both sides had to build up forces. The eldar would have a good reason to get involved and not just wipe out whoever won in the war between humanity and the men of iron.
The eldar wouldn't care about saving human worlds or populations, only defending their own and just in killing men of iron which explains why the maiden worlds weren't harmed or the men of iron didn't retreat to another part of the galaxy, with the eldar hunting them and using the web way the men of iron had no where to hide
6:17 Mashallah Majorkill habibi
My take on Machine Spirits is that they are NanoRobots from the dark age, that were used for general maintenance and can control mechanic and eletronic machines, even forming a basic AI when joining many NanoRobots together, these NanoRobots merge into the host that stays a time on Mars.
They respond to certain commands, and those commands are now chants due to the religious nature of the Mechanicus.
Oh thank God he brought back the Space Spartan, my spear and sword broke when I was taking it apart
have to say, your fair play with merch is great, you have business ethics and it is refreshing.
I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of subtle warp influence related to machine spirits based around the Mechanicus' beliefs.
Majorkill's video output and quality is admirable. Cheers m8
1: The warp and the entitys with in it are shaped by the thoughts and emotions of the living sentient entitys with souls with in the universe.
2: The mechanicus is the second largest religions organization within one of the second most populated factions/ species in the universe. More over sed religions organization is the source of all of the faction's technology and claims you need to believe in their religion for it to work.
1+2= machine spirits are warp entitys created by the mechanicus.
Question: when/why did the mechanicus become a religions organization considering it existed ruffly around the same time as humanity's golden age when every one was atheist?
They became a religion somewhat after the fall of the golden age I believe.
Does that mean much of the Imperium’s technology are technically Daemon Engines?
@@ShawndaPrawn Not to get into a rand on the minutia of religion and spirituality, but demons and spirits are very different.
After the Iron men rebellion, people took to chaos and religions.
They were not all atheist at all. the emperor killed all religions other than them, to establish his imperial truth.
Finally! My rabbit hole dive has brought me up to date with your work. You mentioned Jits in one of your previous heretical commentaries......What belt are you brother?
Squats artificially creating their own souls : ……. I am I joke to you ?
Now I can't stop thinking of the possibility of a techpriest talking to a machine spirit they like, like it was a good dog.
5:54 Wow, this makes the battles in Warhammer much more interesting and complexe. The machine spirits does things in everything.
Bruh I've been getting off work and there is a new majorkill video everyday. NGL it's been pretty sweet
Majorkill, will you get to be casted to voice in Hunter: The Parenting?
Finally! Was waiting for machine spirits explained, my man!
Lucky 13 was a decent watch, good comparison
So majorkill legit got me into the Eisenhorn books and got to say massive recommendations to the series
I allways thought Machine Spirits are just a combination of simple AI's and well...superstition.
Brotato, all our concepts are based on.. spirits (ragefull "we are almost dead" noises)
Same here
Can you do a list of the best Warhammer 40K books, especially for people just starting to get into the lore? Or other best sources to get into the lore?
Battle for the abyss is the only 40k book. Oh and the Outcast Dead
I just finished a couple of the Ciaphus Cain books which are pretty awesome
I got into 40k a few years ago. The Eisenhorn/Ravenor series got me started and I read the whole series in like a week. Then I read pretty much all the Ciaphas cain books which are really enjoyable. After that was the Night Lords series which is probably the best chaos books.
In between I listened to a bunch of short stories and novellas here on TH-cam. The channels that narrate them are; ABorderPrince, WyvernAudio, RovacReading, and A Vox in the Void.
Check out their 40k Playlist. The stories are between 15 minutes to a few hours long. Most are really good and don't require a ton of commitment to finish.
I've read a ton more but those are the ones I would recommend to get started, and probably many 40k fans would agree.
Edit: Some awesome fan made videos on TH-cam are; Astartes, Death of Hope, and Hellsreach.
An interesting side note is the fact that the rak'gol species techno shamans are seemingly able to destroy and potentially even control machine spirits
The crimson plate machine spirit made the wearer more aggressive, how nice.
@3:05 i absolutely love that a warhounds nostril’s are headlights.
I have a car from the 80s, i believe in the machine spirit.
AAYYYYYYY thanks for bringing back the Spartans! I'm loving painting mine!!!
thank you for Remembering my raider boi, Rynn's Might btw, #neverforget
Good Lord, that title gave me an aneurysm.
If machine spirits are a piece of the Void Dragon, how does tech not made on Mars have machine spirits? Is there a way to get tech made on other forge worlds to somehow become imbued with a bit of the dragons soul/spirit/etc? I'm confused
I'd wager that tech-priests carry Dragon's influence with their faith.
@@silver1340 I can imagine the Necrons react to it
Since machine spirit construction began on Mars, the codes and methods of creation were implied to be based on the Void Dragon's code. If Tech Priests on planet fuck-off 27 are making copies of that code, then they create new copies of the Void Dragon's AI.
@@blueline4857 But isn't it heavily implied that the void dragon is a C'tan shard? I wasn't under the impression that they have any code or are ai or robotic in any way. More of a bound soul to a metal body.
Edit: Also, if what your saying is true, the Mechanicus are performing systemic heresy on the regular. Whether they realize it or not. But it's also implied machine spirits are low level AI so idk.
I love the way the 40k lore is so ambiguous sometimes.
@@DrFeltcher Yes, that doesn't mean it can't affect machines. C'tan don't have to be warp gods the be gods of the physical world.
Gonna love what happens when the imperium tries to kill the Squats for learning that the Vortann are AIs, only for the Squats to pull the Uno Reverse ans say that the imperium uses AI themselves
Would be even more amusing if the Leagues of Votann had men of iron that didn't 'rebel'.
@@galenjones9529 And UR-025 joined them
@@TheWarmachine375 UR wouldn't. His priority is existence and nothing else
@@velphidrow True, the Squats had enough of their plate to deal with Inquisition and Mechanicus checking out their Votann supercomputer
@@TheWarmachine375 lolno
The mechanicus is one of the scariest factions when brought to full might
Machine spirits in Warhammer 40K reminded me of the real animist religion Shinto that is practiced in Japan.
Yes on time😁
Hi majorkill 👋😁
Majorkill needs his own fan chapter with notable npcs like chapter master and such
I like the idea that it is a gestalt of all three things you mentioned, simple AI, influenced by 40k manifested belief, and maybe a tiny bit of the void dragon.
i love how Eisenhorns sword tells him when trouble is around like a puppy in a scabbard
Damn Majorkill rocking the merch is see you 😉
navigator: blessed machine please guide us through the warp so we may flee from the enemy.
machine spirit of your ship: I don't think so I'm driving - proceeds to full throttle the engines and ram the enemy
Theory: Machine spirits are simple AI created by a more advanced, DAOT, AI. The advanced AI wants to serve humanity but understands it can't make it's presence known. It has calculated that remaining hidden and providing simple tools to humanity is the most effective thing to do.
there's a small part in the World Engine book, where various Space Marine chapters and Imperial Navy/Guard forces are discussing what to do about the necron's World Engine. the ships of the various forces, some of which are pretty big, at one point start saying their final goodbyes and offering words of encouragement to the ship the Astral Knights are going to use to crash onto the planet. they all knew it was a one way trip, and the Astral Knights' ship was okay with that. it did it's best to get the Space Marines onto the World Engine, even as the necrons swarmed it with hundreds of destroyer type units, and blasted it apart like hornets repeatedly stinging whatever set them off.
even though the rest of the book takes place on the World Engine itself, seeing the ships talking to each other, even if it was brief, was an interesting read.
I figured that machine spirits were 40k's version of how electronics is really run on magic smoke, except that nobody realizes its a joke. The reason why more complex devices, such as titans or land raiders, feel like they have a spirit is because the commands it has are extremely Byzantine. This makes them trying to fulfil the commands of the operator seem somewhat independent when it's not.
LOVE DEATH AND ROBOTS. That was a good series
Love Death and Robots reference. Love it. They just came out with a new season.
I agree about your point on dogs.
I also think it's not a coincidence a German Shepard named Major went on a biting spree, including it's owner. We have enough C-Span footage to explain why after all.
Always interpreted that the void dragon connection was very real, but what really makes a machine spirit is that billions upon billions of people (Namely the Mechanicus) genuinely believe in them and praise them. Thus creating a warp effect like you’d see with the Emperor or Orks.
The machine spirit is a emergent AI, forming naturally during the construction process rather then being forced into being.
The worship empowers the machine spirit with a connection to the warp, allowing them to be activated by prayer far past the point where they should no longer function.
A example from one of the books was a plasma pistol that was tottaly out of power, when prayed to it suddenly fired a bolt significantly larger then the pistol shod ever had been able to fire, vaporising both the eldar squad attacking and the holders arm.
Fun fact, we may have had an example of a ship's machine spirit in the 20th century. HMS Warspite's machine spirit attempted to make a break for the open ocean while she was being towed to the breakers.
Did I detect a Tropic Thunder reference?
Is it possible to see a future video on the physical capabilities of a space marine
It be interesting to watch to be sure
It's so inconsistent. I belive in one HH novel like 2 of em flip a land raider over master chief style but In other books it takes a lot of might to move something far lighter
@@velphidrow I know it’s inconsistent but I would be nice
What will be really funny is the revelation that the machine spirits are just plain old AI with personality and the Martians just cooked up a tall tale with forged evidence
Yo what about vengeful spirit's machine spirit being that one psykers sister? Doesn't that imply that machine spirits are (bioengineered) humans?
So does this mean that the sister, “stimulator” has a machine spirt? Damn, lucky spirt.
I agree that dogs can detect creeps
"It's not an AI, it's a Machine Spirit, I swear!"
"They're not *men* at arms, they're women at arms, I swear!"
"They're just knives, not fractured space gods taken from space egyptian robot skeletons, I swear!"
"No no no I used the daemon stuff to destroy the daemon stuff, I swear!"
"He's not a mutant, he's just a sexy diplomatic chickenman artist with a hatred for egyptian mythology and is also lowkey Jesus to us, I swear!"
Tale as old as time
I just assumed they were full AI's, & were just the loyal ones from during the rise of machines, that didn't go skynet
"all machine serve the C'tan in the end"
- Tomb Lord of Kronus
Top Ten(Or Five) Non-Astartes feats of strenght. Like when Nork Deddog headbutted a Ork warboss so bad that the other orks retreated. Or Malcador being able to sit in the golden throne without exploding until the emperor came back. Or Kai Zulane being able to survive the visions of everything that would happen after the horus heressy.
Dedication man. What is it? Midnight in Australia? You're a beast
My read on the situation is that during the Golden Age, technology had hit such a ridiculously high level that there was nothing that humans used or had that didn't have some kind of computer in it. Code probably wrote itself, adapting to the usage of the device as needed. As technology spiraled back down and regressed, many of those old things were lost, but bits of the old remains indefinitely. Any technology at this point is being produced and maintained with old tools, or tools that were produced by old tools, giving every piece of equipment something of a lineage. It's not like there's many people out there making brand new hammers from scratch with ancient smelting technology, there's some manner of refinery or equipment at least making the materials, if not the full piece of gear.
As such, all that old self-replicating code probably still exists, but like DNA the way it works has evolved over time. If you consider a Mechanicus weapon's forge like a Queen Bee, then all the weapons it produces carry some version of its mother's code, and if that gun was ever used to fabricate a new forge, that code might get mixed into whatever other codes would be involved. All of the Imperium's technology ends up being like a symbiotic organism, reliant on the Imperium to propagate itself, and thus motivated to operate to the Imperium's benefit. Of course, this arrangement isn't always harmonious, and so your Tech Priests have to make sure this technological organism remains cooperative through ritual, sacrifice, negotiation, and other forms of persuasion. Ultimately the Machine Spirits rot and die if Humanity doesn't survive, so they will tend more often than not to help it, rather than hinder it, with some variation on the individual spirits' temperament.
As a titan pilot, imagine being the titan itself such as any forms of damage would result in pains, fires would feel like you’re being burnt, damaged limbs would be equivalent to say having your arm smashed without it actually being actually smashed, what a titan feels it’s pilots can also feel, such as say whenever it walks if there’s a fault in the foot then it would feel like having a stone in your shoe, all of that whilst trying to wrestle a grizzly bear all the while two other people are controlling your arms as well as helping you calculate innumerable numbers and calculations such as say aiming a nova cannon without the thing blowing itself up
"Hypocrisy is shoved in your face on the daily in the universe of 40k" hypocrisy is shoved in my face on the daily in the "real world" also >.>
What if the Arnold Schwarzenegger terminator became hero because he developed a machine spirit of his own
i think my jeep has a machine spirit. so many times had i had mechanics look in and wonder how the darn thing is not on fire, yet i just do routine maintenance on it and it runs just fine
Majorkill can you do a video of yourself vs one of Warhammer 40K characters?
Like well let's say that you against an unarmed and unarmored Imperial Guard person because you came to disagreement, which one of you would come out on top?
It would also benefit to hopefully give us a description of your physical abilities and martial proficiencies, it sounds absurd but yes.
Plot twist: he picks some 200 year old planetary governor whose ancestors spent the last 3000 years inbreeding to the point where they make the Hapsburgs' look like the picture of perfect genetic health.
@@somethinglikethat2176 I still wish to hear description of Majorkill's physical abilities and martial proficiencies, imagine an animation of Majorkill either folding someone or getting folded, now think of if Majorkill made an OC based off of Timmy and ,folded that OC in every way imaginable.
I’d like to see a video on the void dragon at some point!
We seriously wanna know why the mini got discontinued. Spill the tea Major! On a totally unrelated note: Do your minis ship Next Day Air (NDA) (wink wink)
Many of the most senior Buddhist monks say that when machines become sophisticated enough, souls will begin to nest in them
I believe the chants and rituals is a verbal way of passing down knowledge of basic methods of maintenance. Sort of like when someone says lefty loosy righty tightly. But after so many generations it kind of gotten a mystical veiw. Kind of like that lost tribe from the original mad max. I'm a electrician in RL and sometimes I do find myself reminding myself through catchy phrases. Like, "I left it in so I'll be right out." Meaning when I twist wire with my linemens in my left hand I meet to rotate inwards. If my linemens are in my right hand I rotate out. This will rotate the wire correctly in a clockwards motion which is the proper way. So a benediction could be a method to remember to greese, oil and inspect part properly and from there some extra bs was added like insence and chanting.
I don’t know, I’m convinced all printers have machine spirits that choose to break exactly when I need them most
Eek! If the void dragon theory pans Out, I can only suspect all those machines spirits would turn rouge afterwards once he wakes up!
It has to be the A. Theory, too many people believed it to be real that the warp actually made it to be real.