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    Cypher is by far the most mysterious character in all of Warhammer 40k. Today we check him out to uncover his motives, ambitions and even his indentity
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  • @majorkill
    @majorkill  2 ปีที่แล้ว +518

    Cypher hides his face under a cowl because his poor skin care has resulted in him being ugly.
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    • @JammesJammes
      @JammesJammes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Hahaha

    • @Prophetofthe8thLegion
      @Prophetofthe8thLegion 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'd Argue the Alpha Legions loyalties are more mysterious

    • @Erebdai
      @Erebdai 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Wait I’m sure the adeptus astates have super human skin care routines or servitors that pop all their nurgle pimples.
      Also Cypher is too mysterious and cool to have dermatitis problems.

    • @TheMightsparrow
      @TheMightsparrow 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've watched 5 videos on this channel & now it recommends contents every day.
      I'm not even a subscriber

    • @JammesJammes
      @JammesJammes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheMightsparrow the youtube gods know what you want

  • @redjaypictures4528
    @redjaypictures4528 2 ปีที่แล้ว +982

    The dark angels genuinely have an entire successor chapter called “the disciples of caliban” who’s main job is to capture cipher and his cronies, they have had no success so far

    • @Raffney
      @Raffney 2 ปีที่แล้ว +163

      "Better luck next time" is their famous warcry

    • @christiandauz3742
      @christiandauz3742 2 ปีที่แล้ว +56

      Cypher has been arrested multiple times by the Dark Angels only to be let go

    • @gregorde
      @gregorde 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Or have they?

    • @Dave-mx9ft
      @Dave-mx9ft 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Cypher litrally gave himself up to the Dark Angels.

    • @johanneisenach8825
      @johanneisenach8825 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      their colorsceme is so cool, my space marines are deciples of caliban

  • @erikbedard5840
    @erikbedard5840 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1909

    Yo, real talk my mouth dropped when you mentioned the Omegon theory, I've never heard it and it makes waaaaay more sense than what I used to believe

    • @Voltboy1449
      @Voltboy1449 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      hold on OMEGON THE HERETIC OF THE ALPHA LEGION

    • @huss4realz
      @huss4realz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Same here!!!

    • @spencersholden
      @spencersholden 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Me too

    • @spencersholden
      @spencersholden 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      @@Voltboy1449 Alpharius was the traitor.

    • @scorpiowarrior7841
      @scorpiowarrior7841 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@spencersholden Wasn't it stated in the alpha legion book that alpharius and omegan swapped names at some point?

  • @Kratistus
    @Kratistus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +505

    Also something that adds to Omegon theory is that one of the legendary Cypher feats was to escape Imperial Palace dungeons making even Custodes scratching their heads. The knowledge of how to do something like that, is for sure known to Alpharius and Omegon.

    • @StumpyDaPaladin
      @StumpyDaPaladin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Or Dorn. The ONE primarch able to reliably see though A/O's collective bullshit.

    • @jovannibaeza191
      @jovannibaeza191 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      More likely only the real alpharius (aka omegon) since he was raised on terra and is actually the reason the blood games even happened now with the custodes . I doubt the real omegon (now alpharius) would have that knowledge since he grew up on a different planet
      Lord recap for those that don’t know: alpharius found omegon and they decided to swap names, giving omegon control of the legion and alpharius taking a back seat role. That’s why omegon isn’t much of a traitor, he was raised by malcador and big e on terra

    • @jokerkd
      @jokerkd ปีที่แล้ว +8

      And......
      You guessed it......
      Zahariel

    • @darkstar2480
      @darkstar2480 ปีที่แล้ว

      Doesn’t he have that AI thing that lets him basically warp around whenever he wants? He got it on a space station or something. One of the Horus Heresy books talks about it.

    • @monkeydash4349
      @monkeydash4349 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@jokerkdBut I thought he was chaos corrupted and wanted nothing to do with the lion

  • @danielquick7541
    @danielquick7541 2 ปีที่แล้ว +440

    Cypher is probably one of the greatest tantalising possibilities that 40k has to offer. So many things could come about directly because of Cypher. (Yes I main Dark angels/the Fallen )

  • @Lengytam
    @Lengytam 2 ปีที่แล้ว +724

    "There's nothing more mysterious in 40k than the fallen angel, Cypher."
    Alpha Legion: "Hold my Omegon! Hey! Where is it?"

    • @silence2472
      @silence2472 2 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      Honestly the fallen are arguably more mysterious than the alpha legion, they have Allies everywhere. fallen have worked with Alpha legion twice, Night lords, iron warriors, emperors children, space wolves, Ecclesiarchy and the fucking PDF. Hell they even co founded the black legion and the grey knights

    • @dantereinhardt6911
      @dantereinhardt6911 2 ปีที่แล้ว +76

      Everyone is Alpharius.
      Aside from Omegon, omegon is Cypher.

    • @ashleyford8050
      @ashleyford8050 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Blood Angels Marine: Iii don’t know what you’re talking about >..>

    • @mistertaz94
      @mistertaz94 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@dantereinhardt6911 for all we know Omeagon could actually be the original Alpharius claiming to be Omeagon

    • @darkwater72
      @darkwater72 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@mistertaz94
      Actually, I think the original Omegon introduced himself as to his brothers as Alpharius, and the original Alpharius got struck with being thought of as Omegon.
      See the end of the Alpharius book for proof.
      Or, more accurately, "proof".

  • @johnturner3455
    @johnturner3455 2 ปีที่แล้ว +603

    no matter how badass and mysterious he is, tts is the first thing I think of whenever Cypher is mentioned, it's in my brain forever.
    "Hey what's up guys, it's ye boi Cypher back at it again with another episode of 'Cypher stalks ppl'"

    • @beardfistthegoldenone7273
      @beardfistthegoldenone7273 2 ปีที่แล้ว +61

      *Heavy breathing*

    • @zacharian1006
      @zacharian1006 2 ปีที่แล้ว +93

      "Today we're... *Heavy Breathing* .... STALKING CUSTODES"

    • @Numtalegau
      @Numtalegau 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      "My thermic reactor pulsates with smooth, velvety beats."
      TTS is beyond phenomenal.

    • @crimsonitacilunarnebula
      @crimsonitacilunarnebula 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ultimate stalker being bing chilling probs steals too lol

    • @commiehunter733
      @commiehunter733 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I'm a noob ... tts? What does this mean?

  • @antisga
    @antisga 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Cypher is the dad who left to buy milk but comes back every once in a while when you and your mom aren't home to leave a jug of milk and birthday presents on the table. Sometimes the milk might be spoiled or the gift might just be a single sock, but hey, at least you know he's still around somewhere.

  • @westleybosley7154
    @westleybosley7154 2 ปีที่แล้ว +254

    In Pandorax, it's implied by an encounter with a Tzentch demon that Epimetheus was a renamed fallen that became an original grey knight, but was apparently fated to have been Cypher but somehow swapped fates with another.
    A hanging plot thread is that Ezekiel has had a vision of the DA and Grey Knights joining together jumping into the Eye of Terror to rescue presumably Epimetheus. So it's a possible way to reveal Cypher's identity. Literally one dude knows who Cypher was, but is chained up with a blank strapped on his back being held by Abbadon.

    • @danielleisabellabanyard9968
      @danielleisabellabanyard9968 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I still think the dark angels psycher that became a grey Knight was the dude we kast saw being attacked on Terra in the SOT.

    • @seandlax9
      @seandlax9 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Epimetheus is almost certainly a redeemed Zahariel. With this, Cypher is very likely Corswain or Holguin, who swapped places with Zahariel so that he could go to the Grey Knights.

    • @crimsonitacilunarnebula
      @crimsonitacilunarnebula 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      maybe cypher is tzentch or just some nameless dude
      just for funs and laughs

  • @lastsurvivingemothefox9797
    @lastsurvivingemothefox9797 2 ปีที่แล้ว +473

    It woulda also give GW an easy route to bringing two primarchs back at once… very interesting

    • @huss4realz
      @huss4realz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +56

      It would be one hell of a curve ball.

    • @LCIDisciple0013
      @LCIDisciple0013 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Which 2 primarchs do you refer to?

    • @AsmrCumEatingMukbang
      @AsmrCumEatingMukbang 2 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      @@LCIDisciple0013 the lion and omegon bro

    • @LCIDisciple0013
      @LCIDisciple0013 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AsmrCumEatingMukbang Just checking, I wasn't sure and didn't want to assume. The Lion can keep sleeping. Hydra Dominatus.

    • @christiandauz3742
      @christiandauz3742 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Many Fallen are Traitors some of which are hardcore Black Legionnaires
      Omegon (or Alpharius since they switch too many times to count) have bailed on his Legion for 10k years
      The vast majority of the Alpha Legion is fully corrupted by Chaos with the few being anti-Imperial Renegades

  • @rexlumontad5644
    @rexlumontad5644 2 ปีที่แล้ว +226

    Azrael: "ASMODAI! MAJORKILL IS IN LEAGUE WITH THE FALLEN! MAKE HIM REPENT!"
    Asmodai: *"REEEEEEPPPPPEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNTTTTTTTTTTTT!"*

    • @TheKlink
      @TheKlink 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      RHEEE AND PENT, UNTIL IT IS DONE!!!

    • @jamalisujang2712
      @jamalisujang2712 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Bring back TTS, GW!!

    • @Nothinglikeagoodnut
      @Nothinglikeagoodnut 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      REPENT MOTHERFUCKER!! - prolly Asmodai rushing GW by himself

    • @steffanyschwartz7801
      @steffanyschwartz7801 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You won the internet today

    • @iambumbo7534
      @iambumbo7534 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jamalisujang2712 im sorry to say but you cant reason with stupidity and boomers

  • @geesehoward700
    @geesehoward700 2 ปีที่แล้ว +309

    cypher being omegon would quite simply be amazing. my only problem is why omegon wouldnt tell g man who he was and why he wanted to speak to the emperor.

    • @guy_autordie
      @guy_autordie 2 ปีที่แล้ว +200

      Because, if I recall correctly, nobody knows about the twin. Except his twin, Big E and malcador.

    • @brutalusgaming8809
      @brutalusgaming8809 2 ปีที่แล้ว +84

      It is simple. because Alpha Legion.

    • @squirrelking4174
      @squirrelking4174 2 ปีที่แล้ว +100

      I mean, if he revealed that he’s a primarch of the alpha legion, a traitor, he’d probably be killed on the spot, even if he wasn’t and got away, the identity of cypher would be revealed. Thus ruining all future schemes because people will have placed countermeasures in place to stop him.

    • @sugarcombfilms3467
      @sugarcombfilms3467 2 ปีที่แล้ว +137

      "I'm the Primarch of the Alpha Legion, that one legion that tried to assassinate you during the Heresy and caught you in a trap during the Scouring! So now can I see the Emperor in person, the most important being in the Imperium, with this big ass sword on my back?"

    • @MrFallenone
      @MrFallenone 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Because G man believes he killed Omegon in the scouring? and would most likely try to kill him at the spot. Not so much if they both walked into the throne room together.

  • @GearShotgun
    @GearShotgun 2 ปีที่แล้ว +199

    I’d believe that Cypher is Omegon. Back when they gave him rules in 7th edition he had BS10 and initiative 8, which no other Space Marine, not even chaos ones, came close to

    • @bloodangel19
      @bloodangel19 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      There is a stat in table top called bullshit?

    • @jonathaniwasczyszyn2876
      @jonathaniwasczyszyn2876 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@bloodangel19 it stands for ballistic skill

    • @bloodangel19
      @bloodangel19 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@jonathaniwasczyszyn2876 i was kidding but good to know regardless lol

    • @iambumbo7534
      @iambumbo7534 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      no that wouldnt make sense because im omegon who could be alpharius but also could still be omegon but maybe alpharius

    • @douglaslangley9251
      @douglaslangley9251 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@iambumbo7534 Thats exactly what an Alhphgon would say

  • @mainmanstan7405
    @mainmanstan7405 2 ปีที่แล้ว +98

    I've heard the "Cipher is Alpharius/Omegon" theory before as a joke, but with the evidence you presented, I now see it has actual weight. I doubt GW will make it canon, but it would still be pretty cool to see the first and last primarchs return at the same time.

  • @christophermanderino6629
    @christophermanderino6629 2 ปีที่แล้ว +157

    "Dude makes the alpha legion look like ultramarines." Had me laugh, very loudly, out loud. Kudos.

    • @BabishForIdiots
      @BabishForIdiots 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Terrible comment

    • @Famygdala
      @Famygdala 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@BabishForIdiots Excellent comment. Feels like an Alpha Legion spy trying to sus out if his cover was blown.

    • @BabishForIdiots
      @BabishForIdiots 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Famygdala seriously... somebody failed out of school
      Had me laugh - that statememnt made me laugh
      Very loudly - that statement made me laugh loudly
      Out loud - repetitive.....
      D- grade

    • @PunishedVenomDrake
      @PunishedVenomDrake ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@Famygdala Who said Alpha Legion?

    • @rushpatriot2866
      @rushpatriot2866 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@BabishForIdiots I can feel your incel vibes from here.. let me guess my comment is the first human interaction you've hade since you made your own comment 8 months ago?

  • @starrk07
    @starrk07 2 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    I think there's a good chance its the Dark Angel Holguin. He was the Dark Angel who carried around the Lion's sword after Guilliman broke it over his knee. I believe there's even a line in Ruinstorm where the Lion asks him why he is still carrying it around.

  • @rexlumontad5644
    @rexlumontad5644 2 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Cypher likes to go for a walk.
    A very enthusiastic walk.

    • @savagebeast8532
      @savagebeast8532 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeap second verse same as the first. Now put me on a plane, so I can put em in a hersh......

  • @rwyot767
    @rwyot767 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Yea it’s known the Twin Primarchs could blend in well with their Astartes due to being very close in size if not identical but keep in mind the Alpha Legion Marines were relatively ‘bigger’ or taller than any other Legion.

  • @DasOrmur
    @DasOrmur 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    An addendum on the Alpharius/Omegon theory. The spear can be disassembled into multiple small pieces, including the head which can be split in two and used as combat knives, like when Alpharius infiltrated the Imperial palace to mess with Dorn.
    If i recall correctly, the Fists only recovered parts of the spear, and thought Dorn had broken it.

  • @Azzie420
    @Azzie420 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    I love cypher simply because he literally curb stomped a red Corsair, also he’s an absolute Chad running both bolt and plasma pistol

  • @wither5673
    @wither5673 2 ปีที่แล้ว +151

    does he just throw away his right handed bolt pistol when it runs out of rounds or does he awkwardly reload it whilst still holding on to his plasma pistol?

    • @1rbdt
      @1rbdt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      @Paris Hart You're thinking of Tediore, Torgue's the one with explosive rounds. It'd be more like a mix between the two

    • @gmailquinn
      @gmailquinn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Arcane bolted as well: blessed to never reload

    • @altaiajhin2332
      @altaiajhin2332 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Nah he does the VR thing; Hold Gun to hip and behold: More Ammo!

    • @XTheManWithoutNameX
      @XTheManWithoutNameX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He does a Max Payne 2 bullet time spin and both weapons reload.

    • @omegon2540
      @omegon2540 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      He mysteriously reloads it by lowering it out of his line of sight

  • @medramonmasquedecendres2966
    @medramonmasquedecendres2966 2 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    The "lord Cypher" was actually a title in the order of Calliban that made it's way into the legion.
    They were the gardian of secrets and hidden Lore.

  • @acephas3
    @acephas3 2 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    I just want to see Vulcan, Corax, and the Lion all back. They would add some much depth.

    • @christiandauz3742
      @christiandauz3742 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That would mean bringing back Three Traitor Primarchs in full force

    • @ReaLibro
      @ReaLibro 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@christiandauz3742 4 warp gods. One more to balance out Rawbutt Girlyman.

    • @christiandauz3742
      @christiandauz3742 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ReaLibro
      Chaos Gods have no equals
      If only the Alpha Legion sent two instead of one squad then Guilliman dies in Unremembered Empire and Horus wins the Heresy

    • @ReaLibro
      @ReaLibro 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@christiandauz3742 Don't discount the a$$ kicking accountant. There's a reason he woke up first.

    • @christiandauz3742
      @christiandauz3742 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ReaLibro
      He's a weakling that needs babysitting saviours
      Kor Phaeron had him dead to rights. So did Skarbrand, Fulgrim, Magnus and Mortarion.
      There is a reason Horus loves to take out the enemy leader

  • @Marlfoxmokkan
    @Marlfoxmokkan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I think the Omegon reveal would be an amazing twist, unfortunately since it's so good it's unlikely it'll be the case with GW

  • @stripeybag6977
    @stripeybag6977 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    "Life is Alpharius' hyper rubic cube and we're just living in it."- Omegon who was actually some empowered Alpha legionnaire who was Alpharius

    • @tonywebb1403
      @tonywebb1403 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I thought dorn killed Omegon who was playing the face of the legion and that guiliman killed a empowered legionnaire pretending to be omegon pretending to be Alpharius while the real Alpharius is still alive meaning cypher is a squirrel

  • @JAG19d
    @JAG19d ปีที่แล้ว +3

    GW recently said Lion El’Johnson has been busy during the past 10k years and wasn’t actually asleep. What if Cypher is Lion in disguise!

  • @achillespower3095
    @achillespower3095 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Cypher escaping prison 10 seconds after being captured by G-man: You will remember this day as the day you almost caught Cipher

  • @lsynno
    @lsynno 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I love the idea of Cipher being the Watcher's muscle.
    Beware the Jawas of doom!

  • @Caulderain
    @Caulderain 2 ปีที่แล้ว +140

    I have to admit I like the Omegon theory. But *Spoiler for the novella Dreadbringer*
    I have assumed that he was Holguin. Holguin pretty much just walks off after the Lion refuses to go back to Caliban after Alt+F4ing Barbaras, as he believes (correctly) that Luther is planning something. It explains how he got the Lion Sword (He was there when it was broken) and why he wants to wake the Lion. But the Omegon theory has got me to re-think that.

    • @seandlax9
      @seandlax9 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The Omegon theory is just a meme theory. Cypher is going to be Holguin or Corswain.

  • @irishspartanstudios
    @irishspartanstudios 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    The passion in his voice when he said he'd fight GW if they tried to disprove his two biggest theories was both hilarious and surprisingly heart warming for reasons unknown to me.

    • @redsampler2017
      @redsampler2017 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      its good to fight geedubs, make your own lore if you have to.

  • @RAD1111able
    @RAD1111able 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    The only guy who would probably be cunning enough to escape Trazyn's museum.

    • @Iceisnice1
      @Iceisnice1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      F in the chat for Clonegrim.

    • @RAD1111able
      @RAD1111able 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Iceisnice1 Primarch tier doesn't count lmao...unless he turns out to be Alpharius/Omegon

    • @Iceisnice1
      @Iceisnice1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RAD1111able Heh, fair enough. By the way, I was wondering: is it actually possible for someone to escape Trazyn's museum without outside help? I mean, isn't it like being frozen in time?

  • @campbellsoup93
    @campbellsoup93 2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    My theory is that Cypher is the Lion. Or at least, a psychic projection/piece of him.
    I agree with the piece of the Lion being attached to the sword. I think that's what Cypher is. Either a fragment of the Lions soul or a psychic shadow left on the blade.
    His loyalty seems questionable but his actions always aid the Imperium. Just like the Lion.
    Plus if he's a psychic projection it explains why he always escapes even the most inescapabpe prison. They separate him from the blade and move it to a different chamber, then after a time the projection vanishes from wherever it is and reappears at the blade allowing him to escape.

    • @timhorsburgh2193
      @timhorsburgh2193 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I've had similar thoughts. It would be cool if Cypher were either a psychic projection or could have a psychic link with the sleeping Lion that guides his actions.

    • @davidesolvi1700
      @davidesolvi1700 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Could be kind of like the Sanguinor to Sanguinius

  • @rexlumontad5644
    @rexlumontad5644 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    TTS Cypher's M.O.: "Pranking victims with the Suspicious Book about The Fallen."

  • @supremegrandmasterazrael7778
    @supremegrandmasterazrael7778 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Absolutely love the Dark Angels and this is one of the best theories I’ve ever heard for cypher

  • @DavidOlsen69
    @DavidOlsen69 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thats exactly who i thought Cypher is !!! I was not expecting Majorkill to come to that conclusion. Im almost shook. It was always known Alpharius was the size of just a normal space marine and nobody could ever say what happened to Omegon

  • @kamakshyarath1026
    @kamakshyarath1026 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Honestly I always believed cypher was corswain as he seems to be the one who killed zahariel and also because of a comment that he made for azrael when they worked together where he said that azrael would make a good seneschal for lion a position corswain also held

  • @brutalusgaming8809
    @brutalusgaming8809 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    GW has a great lore plot device in slowly returning Loyal Primarchs. It allows them to build the threat level up to something that appears to be certain doom and for the imperium to fall. Then a new loyalist Primarch is returned! Tons of new Models are sold. A million books are printed and listened to! The Empire is saved and hangs on by a thread! Everyone is totally engaged! Rinse repeat... every 10+ years..... most of us die before they all get returned..... Grimdark AF.

    • @steffanyschwartz7801
      @steffanyschwartz7801 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I feel sorry for the people around for 1st addition. They’re probably in the 60 year old range now

    • @timhorsburgh2193
      @timhorsburgh2193 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@steffanyschwartz7801 More like 40, although i suppose those who weren't children at the time will be older. Still, i'll probably be in my 60s by the time we get all the primarchs. Although, as long as the Lion comes next i don't really care about the rest.

    • @steffanyschwartz7801
      @steffanyschwartz7801 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@timhorsburgh2193 I’m just waiting for Vulcan and Sanguinius

    • @timhorsburgh2193
      @timhorsburgh2193 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@steffanyschwartz7801 Sanguinius would be one of the harder ones, sadly. At least Vulcs can't stay dead.

    • @steffanyschwartz7801
      @steffanyschwartz7801 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@timhorsburgh2193 let’s just merge Dante and Sanguinor it’s easy

  • @BabishForIdiots
    @BabishForIdiots 2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    The real Cypher is the friends we made along the way

  • @XTheManWithoutNameX
    @XTheManWithoutNameX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just last week I was searching your videos looking for a Cypher explained, and now here you are. Awesome.

  • @theohoff968
    @theohoff968 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    new theory: cypher is the CHANGELING

  • @Watcher-in-the-Dark
    @Watcher-in-the-Dark 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I have been holding on to the Zahariel theory for a long time and I think it's still my favorite (mostly bias because I got there myself). I do have some arguments though. Zahariel swapped sides a lot and wasn't confident in any true side. He was open minded, seeking truth above all else. I don't think he ever truly went full traitor I think he was mostly confused and being corrupted but was attempting to stay true.
    His psyker powers were always less dramatic than what you usually see. It was subtle and fits perfectly with Cyphers strange abilities and feats.
    I think ultimately Cypher being Zahariel makes the most sense and I liked the character and would like to see him returned.
    I do like the Omegon theory mostly now too. It certainly could work but motives are a bit strange, however all Alpha Legion motives are strange.
    The other theory I heard a lot was Corswain and surprised it wasn't brought up here. I could definitely see Corawain being a contender but I think he does lack the powers needed for the insane things Cypher has done. However a lot can change in 10,000 years.

  • @Chodor101
    @Chodor101 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I've never heard of this theory but it makes a lot of sense, which is surprising since it's about dark angels, you know the guys defined by the fact that most of their actions make none .

  • @WarKastel
    @WarKastel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Red truth: The Cypher is...
    you, Natsuhi! *evil laugh*

  • @jacksonandrews8714
    @jacksonandrews8714 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Problem with this theory: Chris Wraight, who wrote the book where Alpharius dies, has confirmed him to be dead. If we track the movements of the two AL Primarchs across the galaxy, it turns out Omegon was the one on Pluto who died, and there is still a possibility Alpharius got his shit kicked in by the Ultramarines.

    • @scorpiowarrior7841
      @scorpiowarrior7841 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      We should really just refer to them as "the living alpha legion primarch"

    • @matthewb2637
      @matthewb2637 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      and thats why its actually the even secreter 3rd brother of the alpha legion triplet primarchs. think about it, symbols are the alpha sign three pointed symbol, and hydra, three heads. no one could keep track of who was where all about deception and hiding the truth, why not have the secret hiding in plain sight, that there is a third version? what better way to hide that than by a known primarch and a "decoy" secret one. no one in their right mind would look for a triplet after discovering the twin of a primarch and would be certain that that was the secret.

  • @im2randomghgh
    @im2randomghgh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Alpharius and Omegon weren't smaller than their brothers, their blending was purely due to their special power. Alpharius was taller than Russ. In head of the hydra Alpharius was described as being the same height as Valdor, in Magesterium Russ was described as being shorter than Valdor.

  • @Jcraft153
    @Jcraft153 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    As a loyalist DA player, this makes so much sense it actually hurts me to admit it. Absolutely my headcannon from now on

  • @jakelynch5113
    @jakelynch5113 ปีที่แล้ว

    your promotions are bloody excellent man, every videos promo is comedic gold

  • @yamahadrag69
    @yamahadrag69 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bruh, you're getting really good at the intro gags! The sudden *I MEAN NOTHING* got me good. XD

  • @PoorManatee6197
    @PoorManatee6197 2 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    I really like the theory that sais the fallen were the ones remaining loyal while the normal dark angels were the traitors. it gives their shame and paranoia of being discovered a bit more sense, and their hunt of the fallen is so the truth is never discovered. They also maintain the lion trapped as he wanted to confess and they cant allow it.

    • @BabishForIdiots
      @BabishForIdiots 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I miss the old codecies from 3rd-5th that has cool lore like that.
      They need to bring it back

    • @Romczy
      @Romczy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Numerous succesor chapters, millenia of existing in Imperium and nobody caught a glimpse that DA are traitors? Far fetched

    • @midrovar5811
      @midrovar5811 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      its a cool theory butt doesnt make too much sense

    • @Liethen
      @Liethen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      One way to mix the old and new lore would be to have the loyalists that followed the lion be the ones that got scattered through time, and Luther’s traitors remained in 30k, Luther wanted to confess so they locked him up

    • @BabishForIdiots
      @BabishForIdiots 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@midrovar5811 you don't make sense.
      It's a pretty simple thing to understand, but obviously you are too dull to get it

  • @garycotton4715
    @garycotton4715 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Wouldn't girlyman have detected another primarch? I thought that's what they did, Royal Dorn could detect Alpharius and a few other examples. Nah he's not a primarch, but nice idea.

    • @DarkJoyRus
      @DarkJoyRus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      In his book Alpharius was shown capable to infiltrate every other legion, even more he spoke to Lion directly while disguised as Dark Angel marine. All Lion could sense is that something was off but not suspicious enough to investigate further.

    • @garycotton4715
      @garycotton4715 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@DarkJoyRus ah ok I havent read that book yet, its sat on my shelf in my 'to do list' but didn't the alpha legion and ultramarine have huge beef with each other, wouldn't girlyman have detected the same presence as before in that case, in the legacy of caliban series doesn't cypher help Astelan who was so fallen it was unreal, lying and deceiving to escape capture.
      Final point why is Omegon so bothered by the dark angels, there is a whole galaxy out there with thousands of other chapters to get involved in. I still think Cypher is a dark angel being guided by the watchers...

    • @DarkJoyRus
      @DarkJoyRus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@garycotton4715 Asking the wrong guy, my dude. I don't possess the lore knowledge to argue for or against this theory. But it sounds dope for me. Imagine Omegon fooling half a galaxy including G-man.
      Bonus laughs - if this theory is true AND if Bobby G would let him meet the Emperor - we could possibly have three loyalist Primarchs by now...
      P.S.
      >Final point why is Omegon so bothered by the dark angels, there is a whole galaxy out there with thousands of other chapters to get involved in.
      Well if you don't mess with someone just to fuck around, and you have a clear goal then you'd choose the disguise that best suits your needs. Also we don't know if he assume other disguises when he's not cosplaying Cypher. Assuming the theory is true of course.

    • @joshuaashkar6644
      @joshuaashkar6644 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In pretorian of dorn, Rogal basically just says I know you better than you think brother, essentially he knows that the others are a ruse. In the Alpharius book, he is told by Malcador to learn to hide his aura and mind from others and be the grey man seen but never noticed. essentially the perfect spy. Alpharius felt most akin to the Lion over all other primarchs, he even preferred him as Warmaster, so that is possibly the main reason why he keeps the sword its his favorite brothers

  • @Axath0th
    @Axath0th 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Man, please do more of these theory videos. They're by far your best ones

  • @philippayne8890
    @philippayne8890 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love this theory and the way major kill whispers Cypher.

  • @silence2472
    @silence2472 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Honestly man always great to see people talkin about the lads that are the fallen. Always appreciated Major

  • @mandasenna4290
    @mandasenna4290 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Cyper is either Alpharius or the Lion's disembodied conscience embedded in zahariel's body lol

    • @beardfistthegoldenone7273
      @beardfistthegoldenone7273 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Didn't Cypher try to get the Lion Sword to the Throne room? Maybe the sword has a fragment of the Lions soul or something.

    • @mandasenna4290
      @mandasenna4290 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@beardfistthegoldenone7273 very likely

  • @blakeisthebeast
    @blakeisthebeast 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your comedic timing is getting seriously good bro

  • @edpistemic
    @edpistemic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm totally on board for a spin-off channel 'Majorkill Theories'. both this and the 'primarchs are warp gods' were very well presented, imo. Keep up the good work MK

  • @darklordmalthric9814
    @darklordmalthric9814 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Please cover the Sabbat worlds crusade

  • @Theking-sk1bz
    @Theking-sk1bz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    YESSSSSS MORE DARK ANGEL CONTENT😆!!!!!!!!

  • @callmecalvin7297
    @callmecalvin7297 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love ya, Major. Will watch everything you make, no matter what.

  • @RaVNeFLoK
    @RaVNeFLoK 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That lore hypothesis is freaking perfect MK! Thats my head cannon from now on as until we learn more.

  • @jackstrayfeald1007
    @jackstrayfeald1007 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I thought Omegon was dead, since he and Alpharius traded places and identities when they first met and thus, Omegon travelled to Pluto and was killed by Rogal Dorn in the book, Preatorion of Terra.

  • @BonesMalon3
    @BonesMalon3 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    i love this theory, knowing GW would just make it an ultramarine in disguise xD

  • @MrAtoz-jq5ry
    @MrAtoz-jq5ry 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    First time I've heard this. Unlike so many WH40k theories, I think you nailed it.

  • @jameshiggis4405
    @jameshiggis4405 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love Cypher and he shares his name with my last one. Beasting.

  • @TheKlink
    @TheKlink 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    He's probably Alpharius. Or Omegon. Or is he?

    • @scorpiowarrior7841
      @scorpiowarrior7841 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There's a reason I'm reffering to him as just "the living alpha legion primach."

  • @thehunter1113
    @thehunter1113 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Just ordered my Geologie trial so I'll update you when it comes and 10 days after too. Looking foward to it!
    edit: 6/25/22 I just got my trial set so in a couple of weeks ill update
    7/12/22 skin is a lot better other than one or two bigger spots

  • @danielleisabellabanyard9968
    @danielleisabellabanyard9968 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was at Zahariel. I think you're right! Cool. And the God's of earth thing. If the old eldar pantheons got absorbed into Slaanesh, then so could God's like Horus or Thor or the green man have been absorbed by Chaos or other gestalt entities. When the emperor entered the warp to bargin with the gods of chaos but stole from them, it was probably 20 shards that were originally hermetic powers but got consumed. That shard in a body made to hold it could well be a primarch. And shards can split which could have caused the mitosis of number 20.

    • @seandlax9
      @seandlax9 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Zahariel is Epimetheus of the Grey Knights. The novel Pandorax all but straight up tells you. It also tells you that Epi was SUPPOSED to be Cypher, and that a freaking Lord of Change was baffled by Epi being a Grey Knight. Cypher is going to be either Holguin or Corswain, who instead of killing Zahariel, stopped and swapped places with him, likely due to some intervention by the Watchers.

  • @iDoug360
    @iDoug360 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the angry face zoom, good touch.

  • @JohnDoe-rp7mf
    @JohnDoe-rp7mf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wasn’t it revealed that Alpharius was found on terra? Then he later found his brother and switched names? This would mean that when Alpharius (who was Omegon) went to face Dorn and died that the real Alpharius (who named himself Omegon) survived? Of course no one knows alpha legion but I thought this was the closest trend

  • @sethleoric2598
    @sethleoric2598 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    He's what one would call "sus"

  • @Licht.von.Stein.
    @Licht.von.Stein. ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I belive that Cypher could be a fragment of Lion L. Jonson's mind/psyche. Whenever a new host dies, it possesses a new one so it could fit the theory that the is not just one Cypher. He could also be the missing part of the lions mind that is needed to wake him up. As for being antagonistic to dark angels occasionally, it could be that the part he has is the lion's regrets or rage that the chaos gods took during the warp storm the destroyed Caliban.

  • @techypriest7523
    @techypriest7523 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There's one problem with Cypher being Omegon:
    Gulliman would have recognized him when they were with each other.
    Last I checked Cypher didn't wear a helmet when he was aiding Gulliman, and despite his powers I doubt he could fool Gullimen for as long as he did. One primarch [forgot their name] suspected Alpharius was not a normal marine despite him wearing the legions armor and a helmet that hid his face.
    Unless you want to argue that Omegon is even better at manipulating his appearance in the eyes of others.

  • @mattfahey6501
    @mattfahey6501 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I’ll always love the tts portrayal of cypher, always cracks me up.

  • @brickdanger8815
    @brickdanger8815 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Okay this was a really good one. Major's videos are generally super interesting and entertaining but lately have been on some pretty lame and boring topics so it's good to have an interesting one again. Love the theory at the end.

  • @tedcogley1939
    @tedcogley1939 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I always loved this guy wish there was more lore to him

  • @johnstephens4155
    @johnstephens4155 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is by far the best Cypher theory I have ever come across.

  • @timeforthehammer1401
    @timeforthehammer1401 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Always good to get info on this guy. What is Luthor up to these days?

    • @MrFallenone
      @MrFallenone 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Uniting the Fallen. Looking for a way to repent his sin?

    • @timeforthehammer1401
      @timeforthehammer1401 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MrFallenone nice! Any novels about it?

    • @timeforthehammer1401
      @timeforthehammer1401 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MrFallenone did he escape or was released?

  • @darth_elsa6681
    @darth_elsa6681 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Alpharius pretending to be Omegon who's pretending to be Alpharius who's pretending to be Omegon who is secretly Cypher.....this would be a hilarious joke any other time if it wasn't for the very real possibility that this is actually true.

  • @manemperorofmankind8119
    @manemperorofmankind8119 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Anyone that makes one of my shards simp for em, must be special

  • @bediveretheonearmsaber5970
    @bediveretheonearmsaber5970 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I half expected you to say that it is as Alpharius, but lmao this was perfect

  • @edain1640
    @edain1640 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hi

    • @Ben_2761
      @Ben_2761 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No

  • @lajkme7649
    @lajkme7649 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Major Weshammer is growing faster than you every 1000subs you get he gets 6000subs. Challenge him to duel for the EMPEROR

    • @thedyingmeme6
      @thedyingmeme6 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ayo Weshammerxs lore slaps tho (so does MK)

    • @lajkme7649
      @lajkme7649 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thedyingmeme6 There can be only one and that is the holly prophet of the EMPERORs light from the poison death world of Australia.

  • @WeOnlyEatSoup
    @WeOnlyEatSoup 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool video, love learning new lore

  • @erickcredidiooliveira201
    @erickcredidiooliveira201 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am screeshooting the Dark Angel 4:14 the one with bullpup Bolter.
    I dig that bullpup desing of that Bolter.

  • @john12644
    @john12644 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I always believed that cypher was really the lion when warp shenanigans happened it tore his soul out and put it in an astartes body and thats why the lion hasnt woke up he cant he has no soul. Thats why cypher is so attached to the sword its his sword and the reason he wants to talk to the emperor is to find a way back into his body.

  • @NemFX
    @NemFX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Nothing is more mysterious?
    What's the Emperor's name?

  • @TheDukeOfDallas
    @TheDukeOfDallas 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Omegon being Cypher has been an idea I've like for a long time. That or Alpharius only pretended pretending to pretend to die and it's him lol.

  • @benmiles00
    @benmiles00 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well, now the Lion is back, I'm guessing Omegon had that conversation with Daddy and managed to get to Caliban. Another home run for you Majorkill.

  • @user-slm3911
    @user-slm3911 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I only clicked on this video to hear Majorkill say "CYYYYPHERRRRR"

  • @silversurfer8818
    @silversurfer8818 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I am certain Fulgrim uses this skincare routine!

    • @jc7997aj
      @jc7997aj 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      And anal grease.

  • @NYIKAZENO
    @NYIKAZENO 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm liking that Identity Theory!!

  • @drgonzo305
    @drgonzo305 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m leaning towards him being Omegon simply for the fact this guy escapes Custodie custody! Maybe his eldar buddies have a webway gate somewhere in the black cells but I highly doubt it

  • @entrippyZ
    @entrippyZ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    least favorite legion, but this does a lot for them in my eyes, or at least for omegon. he was tired of their crap too apparently

  • @awesomehpt8938
    @awesomehpt8938 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Welcome to another episode of “cypher stalks people”

  • @whitlocktherevanchist5236
    @whitlocktherevanchist5236 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I loved zahariels unique warp ability. Where time pauses and he can basically see through bodies and warp phase through them. When he kills that calabanite lion by doing this to grab its heart is too cool. I loved seeing a special ability like that, I wished librarians unique abilities were featured more cause that really was cool

  • @_walruseater
    @_walruseater ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You straight up have the best WH lore videos, love you bye bye

  • @turner1291
    @turner1291 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It would be so awesome if it’s Omegon

  • @AbadonXXX
    @AbadonXXX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Who is cypher? The dark angel that stalks people all over the imperium

  • @darkhorse13golfgaming
    @darkhorse13golfgaming 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn bro I didn't even think of that LOL. Omegon.... It actually makes sense when you explain it out

  • @duaneho555
    @duaneho555 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. Keep up the good work 🤣.