He is the reason I actually watch Chicago med. It was after watching both Chicago PD and fire that every time he made an appearance I was like yeah I need to watch Chicago med. Sarah really has a good mentor. I’ll say Dr. Charles is like both a mentor father figure to all the medical staff. He may have not have been a outstanding husband in all his marriages, but deep down he actually is a wise man.
In my opinion @@c.w.simpsonproductions1230 if you can't admit your mistakes in such a business then you should not be in it in the first place. Just saying
My parents both worked in hospitals. More than once, they encountered doctors who'd been in charge for a *little* too long and it had gone to their heads.
I've met many doctors. I know of like, 2, who would admit to making a mistake if they did, out of like, 20 or so. Society treats doctors as gods, and they abso-fucking-lutely let it get to their heads.
Also, to get to the top on *any* institution, you need to be willing to trample anybody in your way. That includes patients who disagree with your diagnosis. Be very, very wary of authority figures. Most of them didn’t get there by baking cupcakes and petting kittens.
It depends, it’s a case-by-case basis. Some don’t need all that, but many do. It might not fix them, but it’s pretty hard to get someone involuntarily committed, so the crazies and the acting out go to the same place.
well, you wouldn't need meds and hospitalization if you were capable of rational thought. is it rational to ingest toxic substances to the brink of death just because you wanted to see a person you've met for only 10 seconds?
Once you have been labelled psychotic, there is no un-ringing that bell. No matter what you say, what proof you have, you will be ignored (best case scenario).
Seriously even if you were at some point or had a episode they immediately believe everything you say is meaningless or crazy even people that have extreme psychotic breaks are still normal people when not having a episode even medical professionals don’t understand that for some reason
You're absolutely right...I seriously mistrust and dislike Psychiatrists...they have too much power and once you're "labeled" as mentally ill or with mental health issues, nothing you say will be taken seriously, believed or even listened to....
I was misdiagnosed with bipolar with psychotic features. I had a history of psychosis only on psych meds. I also have brain lesions that nobody bothered ordering an MRI to check on and it turns out I have lesions from chronic migraine that cause visual disturbances and vertigo. Never had auditory hallucinations, but one psychiatrist told me I was being discharged from the hospital at one point- and then got more days approved by insurance so rescinded that. When I called him out, he said, "Maybe you are just hallucinating". A lot of psychiatrists are monsters.
This is freaking insane, I literally went through this as a kid. Since then, my mother's been diagnosed with DID and literally switches back and forth. This, coupled with the abuse I suffered from her and her husband, made for a very violent childhood. No one ever wanted to listen when i told them she was insane, so anytime I see stuff like this, it hits close to home.
@Kim Pedersen uhm yeah tell that to the hospital she stayed in for 6 months and the list of therapists that have agreed in the years since. But sure I'm guessing you know something all these professionals don't. Oh and the fact that she's been given SSi on the first try which doesn't happen even for folks who have leukemia I know I've dealt with it personally.
I've dealing with the same issue right now my parent are emotionally abusive towards me I have bipolar so when I try to report the abuse it get pointed back on me when its my mom treating me like dirt she also has bipolar but she's crazy not me im under control I take medication for it she won't go to the doctors for hers its ridiculous like go to the doctor get some help
Mine too. All anyone saw was my reaction my behavior to her. I was the sick crazy one even though they knew she had a mental illness hers was minimized while mine was maximized. No one believed me. Not the courts dcf therapists everyone believed her. Yet i did not have rage until the age of 15 towards her when she went into treatment and I became her focus her target but because she looked stable on the outside and I did not. I was not believed instead I was angry for no reason while she was seen as a good mother, but no one saw her at home. I hate her she is the same today just heavily medicated
@Erica Blaschke it's crazy how many of us have similar experiences with that generation of parents. I'm not sure why or what happened to make them so damned toxic. Maybe it was the drinking and abuse from their parents, idk. What I do know is this; we are not the sum of our abuse. We don't have to let it control us or our actions. At 15, I was a homeless drunk wandering from couch to couch bf to bf because I felt like I didn't matter. I was taken advantage of by my mom's husband and abused by him as well as the physical and psychological abuse from her. I found a way to forgive and it wasn't easy but I did it for myself because I was so sick and tired of hurting, I had to learn and find a way to cope and cutting wasn't the answer as I'd been doing that for many years as well. It breaks my heart to know so many others suffered our injustices. I meant what I said. It doesn't get to control us forever it only has power if you let it. One day, I hope to start a children's home a ranch with beautiful blue skies and horses for kids like us, for the ones who truly have no voice. To show them the love they clearly are missing at home. Maybe one day you can come visit 😁 I would love to stay in touch somehow, maybe FB, or I can give you my email. I think I important to have someone who's gone through similar stuff on your side. It's the only way I was able to keep my head above the water, hearing another's story where they felt the same way I did so for once I didn't feel alone in my pain and hatred. Either way, thank you for talking with me.🖤💜🖤
There is a movie called Sucker Punch. It's about the wrongful committal of a teen for accidentally killing her sister because her father abuses both of them. It was the father's fault. But it shows how being in an unreasonable mental health facility can contribute to psychotic episodes. Zach Snyder, I think, it's awesome!!!
Remember being 12 years old and getting placed into a mental hospital for several months on false claims made by someone whom I’m not going to mention. Given false diagnosis and immediately put on heavy meds to “help”. Felt so isolated and it was a dehumanising experience, every doctor there treated you like you were a nobody. Something needs to change
Psych placement for several months on a first commitment? Must have cost someone a fortune. This must have been a terrible place to have kept you that long on the mere word of one person. They should have realized you were sane based on their initial observations
@@danielle1604 I was responding to RixyZ's account of her psych story she posted. No, you wouldn't know her but you should know her story thats posted at the top of the page.
@@kairinase having spent time in psych wards for self harming, they take everything potentially harmful away. Pencils, pens, tumb tacks, paper clips shoe laces, hand sanitizers on the walls emptied ect. They will even go through the ingredients on your shampoos because they wont let certain chemicals in. When you are in that mindset, yes everything that has a potential of causing harm, will be used to cause harm.
True story, when I was a teen I went to the ER for c*tting my wrists. They left me in the room. I looked around and so a box written "scalpels" on it. Brought it home, came back to the ER the next day.
As someone wrongfully put in a psych ward, I will say I totally understand her actions. Being in an environment where mental health is really treated like a game, it really breaks down your mental health and can make whatever you're going through worse. It's this double edged sword of not being let go until your "stable" but the place is the one thing making you unstable. It can feel like a lose-lose situation for sure.
From the way it sounds, the girl seems to have anxiety and fear over being misdiagnosed. Given she said she was abused by her mother and that the mom herself gave a false story about her daughter being crazy, I don't get why they didn't let the daughter speak up. But Nancy is right overall. She doesn't belong in a psyche hospital. She's scared and is crying for help. Sad the psyche doctor doesn't see that.
Dr, Wheeler asking about going to a psych and being left hanging was an oof. Would you consider a compilation of his scenes that are relevant to his departure from the series?
I had a father with NPD, (undiagnosed, but that man would never go near a doctor willingly), and he committed me alongside a team of psychs to a ward. The ward made my mental health worse, the professionals inside there were bitter, resentful, accusatory and nasty. Being not believed, told you’re crazy day in, day out, and then being told by professionals you’re dreaming up your abuse and your mental health is your own fault is a double combo for a 15 year old. It nearly killed me. Im only here today because I had one person in my court, but if I didn’t , i would’ve killed myself. I don’t blame a young woman who’s been locked up tight without a chance to breathe being told she’s delusional.
@@Sniperboy5551sometimes it’s just obvious. i can TELL my mom has some type of NPD and/or Bipolar/DID. just by the way she acts. it causes her to abuse me, and then deny it, so i know.
Not quite the same, but I can kinda relate to this story. When my adopted mother found out that my bio mom was diagnosed with bpd, she automatically assumed that my sister and I had it as well (I was 12 and my sis was about 9). She took us to a psychiatrist and convinced her we had bpd and were prescribed pills that we were forced to take. My adopted mom did something like this again when I started having my period and wanted me to get on birth control that "would permanently stop my periods." My pediatrician at the time didn't think that was a good idea for a child, but prescribed birth control to me anyway. Since becoming an adult, I stopped taking the psychotic meds, got married and have stayed married, can hold down a job effortlessly, and keep limited contact with my adoptive mom.
as someone with bpd, it's dangerous to continue to push the stereotype that we're all manipulative and persuasive bc it's not true. just bc some portion of people with bpd are like that doesn't mean every person is like that. 10 people can have the same diagnosis and present in 10 different ways. there's no clear cut, definitive set of symptoms that have to be checked off in order to gain a diagnosis. at the end, Dr Charles reminds me of something my own doctor told me: i told him that i was severely depressed and he said that, if someone came to him, who wasn't mentally ill, and had been thru everything i had and said they were depressed, he'd believe them. bc sometimes the things we go thru make us have normal, human reactions that aren't the result of something being medically "wrong".
that’s why that story about the residents going to the mall and trying to point out who was mentally ill, but not being able to agree on who was, is so real to how mental health works. I’m bipolar and when I was younger I learned to be manipulative from trauma and living with a narcissist parent, not out of malice but as a coping mechanism. manipulating her in to thinking I agreed with her was a survival mechanism. even people who can be manipulative due to disorders aren’t always doing it out of contempt for the people around them, and lots of mentally stable people forget that. is it good that manipulation is happening? absolutely not. but looking deeper at the bigger picture can tell you a lot about how to treat someone’s issues.
I'm Bipolar and my problem is with the "cookie cutter" diagnosis that too many do. They look at past patients and diagnose based upon that rather than the patient in front of them.
There are some excellent videos on here that discuss the different forms of BPD, but most people don't understand that there are different types, as with most personality disorders.
This needs pointing out so much, I lost my job because of a bpd diagnosis, my boss googled it and the stereotype made her sack me as dangerous. 10 years with the charity, three promotions and not one complaint about me yet sacked because “having a mental illness makes me a danger and threat to staff and clients”.
Why would they leave a minor psych patient unattended in a non-psych hospital room? Shouldn’t there have been a staff present to monitor her? Or shouldn’t they have stabilized her condition and moved her to a secure area? In the real world that hospital would be looking at anywhere between $10,000-30,000 in fines alone for violations putting a patient in immediate jeopardy not to mention legal compensation which the family would most certainly be entitled to as long as they can retain council which in this circumstance it sounds like they probably wouldn’t be able to.
Usually they don't give a damn in real life, cause if they interfere, it would make it hard to hold a case for the guilty party. Like that famous war strategist always said: "Don't interrupt your enemy when they're making mistakes".
These shows basically never get it right when it comes to patients who may harm themselves. Probably so they can milk the drama when those patients inevitably do so.
I wouldn't, mainly because my father, mother and first stepmother are ALL therapists, and from a young age, they've been throwing mental illness diagnosis at me and putting me in therapy since I was 5 and I didn't know why, only because they said it was to 'help me'. Most of the time my father didn't know how to turn off the therapist in him, especially, when what I NEEDED was a father. it's extremely disheartening when people only HEAR you but don't LISTEN to you. :(
no they can’t, or at least shouldn’t be. most professionals will not diagnose until 18 bc the symptoms are very similar to that of a teenager going through hormone changes and natural mood swings, experimenting with drugs and alcohol as teenagers do, being dramatic about relationships. except bpd and these behaviors, along with suicidal tendencies are very distressing as an adult. which is why it’s not diagnose until 18 and most mental health conditions are not diagnosed unless they cause disruption of being able to function.
Not really no, teenagers can sometimes be in rare cases diagnosed with bpd (although usually thats still over 15 at the very least) but its not always very accurate because personalities continue to develop well into your 20's.
I have BDP, and from what I understand, it usually doesn't present itself until a bit later in life, and has a Major Genetic factor, usuall passed by the mother. So in real life she would very likely have BPD herself.
I had a not quite similar childhood. Who else would agree that as a young girl when your first and most serious love breaks up with you over the phone nearly a year into your relationship (because of your mother).. you'd probably get depressed and not think straight. Having a homophobic (not related to this incident directly) and racist controlling mother. I did one dumb mistake out of sadness and I get sent away somewhere. One place for 2 weeks, the next place for 2 months. Not a word to my friends. I disappeared to them. She'd put me down and ruined my social and esteem skills. I went through at least 5 different antidepressants over the years. But yet *I* was the reason *she* had to go on a medication? The mental damage is still in me over 20 years later. Support your kids. Realize when you're the problem. Don't just dump them somewhere instead of talking. And recognize which kind of help is right and when. ❤️ to anyone who's had it hard and no one listened.
As someone who has dealt with unforgiving parents, I cannot wait until I am a mother. I plan to study child development and will always love my child no matter what. It honestly confuses me how some parents could not.
While we’re on the subject of mental health, Dr Wheeler asks Dr Reece is therapy has helped her. In a later episode, Dr. Wheeler throws himself off the hospital roof because he can no longer take the pressures of residency. It’s the first clue that he’s struggling, and I think his plot while small (Dr. Wheeler is a tertiary character) it’s incredibly important and highlights the very real struggle many doctors face.
I worked with an anesthesia attending that jumped off the roof of the hospital garage one morning after his shift. He was in his thirties. He had a wife and kids.
Been the one on the bed with the feeding tube, but my doc kept all of us ED patients on the med unit. The psych unit wouldn’t take eating disorder patients requiring tube feed because it was considered a risk with other patients trying to grab it. Most of the medical team couldn’t handle managing the medical side effects. I’m lucky that I never had to be in a psych unit like that, I know some people who have and it made their anorexia and bulimia worse.
I definitely prefer ED specific treatment facilities. It can be hard with the comparison to others, but it helps a lot being with people who know exactly what you’re going through.
This is why i never breathed a word to anyone about my mental health struggles until i literally could not hold myself together and had a severe breakdown. My door was literally broken down and i was dragged from my room to be taken to the psych ward. Thankfully, I fought back and was able to run away. Eventually, my family agreed to outpatient care. Psych care is such a disaster that seriously leaves more people traumatized than helped. I am extremely fortunate that my family saw reason and ended up apologizing for what they did.
The fact that you had the willingness to think outside the box and realize you didn’t need to go there shows that you have a lot better mental health and stability than you think. Life can be awful rough I think you’re gonna do great God bless I’ll say some prayers for you.
Agreed. I had an attempt several years back at the end of a seemingly hopeless abuse situation. I’d tried to stave it off for so long because of how horrible the mental healthcare in my area is. Thankfully by some miracle my uncle heard what had happened, and was able to get me into a good hospital that wouldn’t cost us an arm and a leg. They put me into an excellent outpatient program that was able to properly diagnose and treat PTSD. But if he hadn’t recommended that, and one of the local hospitals was called instead, I had backup plans to end my life on spot before they arrived. They are well known for being absolutely horrible, even still using shock therapy. Most people I’ve known who’ve been hospitalized at the two mental hospitals near me have had another crisis shortly after, or wound up worse off and ending their lives. They’d all spoken about as being treated like animals, or science projects. A couple of them were also minors admitted by abusive parents much like the girl in the show. It’s sick that a country that claims to be first world is allowed to treat people like this.
Ok so I have been seeing a few comments mentioning being disappointed because apparently “dr Charles said about people with bpd being manipulative. I admit that shows definitely can show very stereotypical versions of mental illness, but i don’t think that’s what’s done here. They did make sure to say “they can” instead of “they are” which immediately shows verbally he wasn’t trying to marginalize, but instead mention a common symptom. This patient had convinced the other doctor she wasn’t crazy and he justifiably just told the other doctor to be careful as they CAN be. It is a common thing in this illness , especially ones who have trouble with abandonment and loneliness. There are some that are manipulative and some that arent as everyone is different. Unfortunately people with mental illnesses tend to be treated different and like nut cases. Im speaking from a family with people with bpd and other mental illness; as I just wanted to share my thoughts.
@@merricat3025 sad thing is, most people want to avoid that. But great changes happen when people stand up for the government and demand change “they never listen” so the next step is taking physical action “looting, rioting”. Then if they still haven’t changed then you will have to bring war upon them, take the civil war for example.
Back in the day, women were committed to psych wards all the time. If they refused the divorce, they talked back too often, found out about the mistress, etc.
And you bring this up why? It's totally irrelevant to the clip, you just sound like a jaded woman who needs to take any chance to bring up how poorly women were treated in the past like it somehow makes you a victim today
@@slowazzd2165 that's not the point. The point is that sexism still exists, and forgetting about it gives it power. People are still treated improperly because of other people's opinions towards their sex. This that's being said about women getting locked up over minor things is just a fact. Some women are still thrown into the system in a similar fashion.
Oh lord, when I was a kid my worst nightmare was ending up in a psychiatric ward. I was diagnosed with Autism at a young age and I made the mistake of telling my friend and she told her friend and she told everyone in school and all the kids would say things like I was crazy and belonged in a home somewhere. Or that I was an escapee from a mental hospital. I would have nightmares about being dragged away in a straight jacket.
I have autism too, amongst other things. It’s a fear I have as well, it’s natural. And it takes A LOT of problems for that to happen and even if it did. It’s not 1950 anymore, it’s not what people think.
To be fair, crazy doesn't mean wrong. And if the hard evidence isn't physically in the room, being psychotic looks exactly the same as being right. It's incredibly easy for a doctor to assume a patient is mis-reporting critical details due to either manipulative intent or psychosis, and impossible for a patient to prove otherwise, especially from within the mental healthcare system. Getting providers to even acknowledge that a patient might possibly be telling anything resembling the truth, is often physically impossible. There's just nothing you can do, if nobody with the authority to free you from the psych ward, believes a single word out of your mouth. And if you aren't crazy to begin with, spending long enough surrounded by authority figures stripping you of your autonomy at every turn will fix that.
@@weavercs4014 I did and this is a topic that is under a lot of discussion in the community and amongst professionals as it is a disorder that is used to exclude people from services and also has very gendered diagnostic criteria. In fact many people later get diagnosed with complex PTSD or as autistic and are misdiagnosed as BPD.
This girl is so desperate that I believe her. Especially after she took a staple to her wrist. That’s not normal teenage behavior but they want to put her in a psych hospital off what she did do to herself and she clearly is a danger to herself regardless. Further investigation in such a situation should be made if the mother is bi polar and not a fit parent for her to go back to but she’ll likely just wind up in the system it’s no better there either so it’s a catch 22
It is terrifying how easy it is for people to use systems meant to help as a means of control. Parents have too many rights and children not enough. Your child is not a plaything or an object you own and society has to deal with the unadjusted adult that parents and systems have free reign to create. The USA and Somalia are two of the only countries that would not even consider signing a symbolic childs bill of rights. We act as though they are subhuman then suddenly the second they turn 18 they are 100% responsible for their own care when parents are allowed to deny them any and all things as they are owned by the parents. We have guardian ad litems but they are tied to a broken system. A parent can legally send their child away to torture camps where dozens of kids have been killed, hundreds molested and all abused in the name of faith or religion or whatever excuse they want. Those torture centers can shock the kids, starve the kids, torture and psychologically abuse the kids with impunity as long as the parents say its fine. We have popular daytime tal shows that advocate for these abduction and assault camps...its all so gross
@AltJGirl perhaps but these rants imply that children are on the same level as adults and they're not. Some decisions should ONLY be made by the parents.
As someone with BPD it can be hard to see the difference between our condition and losing hope. Do you think a psych doctor can the difference? That doctor needs more training.
While we’re on the subject of mental health, Dr Wheeler asks Dr Reece is therapy has helped her. In a later episode, Dr. Wheeler throws himself off the hospital roof because he can no longer take the pressures of residency. It’s the first clue that he’s struggling, and I think his plot while small (Dr. Wheeler is a tertiary character) it’s incredibly important and highlights the very real struggle many doctors face.
I’m currently working in the psychiatric department as a part of nursing school. This is actually very real. Psychiatric patients are very interesting, and it’s important to listen to them and try to understand them in a non-judgmental manner. They are human just like all of us. Though some patients you do have to look out for, because they will claim they are “not crazy,” but use it as a means to manipulate staff into thinking they’re not. Of course that’s not always the case, but that’s why it’s always important to listen to patients, use clinical reasoning, etc to give them the best care possible.
There is no such thing as “crazy”. You should probably get rid of that notion before you graduate. No doctor will ever diagnose someone as being out of their mind-maybe they have schizophrenia or intermittent explosive disorder or dissociative identity disorder, but “crazy” shouldn’t even be in your vocabulary.
@@eileensnow6153 ???? I wasn’t using it as a diagnostic term? I was using it in quoting manner. Some patients have legitimately used the word to describe themselves, along with other slang terms instead of medically accurate descriptors. Or they have used it to describe how they think other people view them, or quote things others have said about them. But speaking as someone who also experiences mental health conditions, I would never use the word ‘crazy’ to ever describe anyone because I know how damaging it can be
@@LittleBitofHopeToo2518thats so stupid. In this video they where obviously talking about crazy, and they just referenced it. You cant talk anout the video if you cut out words that where said just because you dont like it. It's not as if he has said the n word
I relate to the young girl. My mother is bipolar and puts all her frustration out on me and calls me crazy and that i need medication. Because I hear and see things no one else does. Bipolar and Schizophrenia run in the family, but I wasn't diagnosed with any of that. I can't mentally handle stressors and will harm if it's too much and i can't understand. And no one understands me. She threatened to kick me out on the streets because I harmed myself ( due to all her and her husband constant issues) or get me immitted into the hospital instead of comforting me.
My late mother had been diagnosed as being bipolar by her Dr, but she didn't believe him, got several different 2nd opinions of which agreed with the original diagnosis. When I had been diagnosed myself, she refused to believe it, even after reading the report signed by not one, but 8 independent psyc Dr's in 2010. Unfortunately she took her denial about it being hereditary to her grave 10 years later.
@@jamieroark5769 I'm sorry for dat. My mom is Bipolar and she never gets better because she refuses to take her meds and lies to any doctor she goes to now. I'm kicked out now without any help from family she chose her husband over me. My mental state got so much better after leaving that house. I got diagnosed with major depression with psychotic tendencies before I was kicked out.
bruh, why'd she have to cut herself with the scalpel? they were literally like "maybe she isn't mentally ill" and then she goes and does that? not really helping her case🤦
Can't say I blame her. She's basically been kidnapped by the state and forced to stay in a mental ward where she's treated like she's crazy. Would you want to go back if you were in her position?
A friend of mine was committed against her will because her parents and school didn’t like what she was writing in her religion classes. She was questioning things. They labeled her all sorts of mentally ill. She got out and her mom refused to get her treatment for her depression because it “didn’t look good on the family” when she was in there they told everyone it was mono. When she couldn’t get treatment she needed she tried to OD on otc pain relievers and I called her mom who eventually believed that her child maybe did need help and to stop being so religious and weird.
Questioning religion is okay. You should be allowed to ask questions and learn. And being embarrassed of your child is not an excuse to deny them help. I wouldn't be surprised if she goes no-contact with her mother later on.
As a system with DID who was institutionalized, it was the worst experience of our life. We were trapped, 18 hours a day on the floor, without a bed or table or chair. We had a stained mattress with the itchiest wool blanket overtop it. Nothing to do but watch the cars go by outside our window. The other 6 hours we were stuck in a room with people ranging from folks who had to tried to take their own life, to literal psychopaths (if trapping those that want to die in a room with those willing to kill is a good idea, then we must be stupid). We were told to socialize or do something creative with sheets of paper and crayons (mind you all the patients were all over the age the 14.) We could not see a doctor (even a phycologist) leave unless we hurt ourselves bad enough to need medical attention. Oh and if you did that you get trapped there for another *six* months. You were not allowed to see your parents, at all, for any reason. We were stuck there for two and half months before they needed new room so they gave us freedom. In all, the entire feild of phycology is scam that hasn’t real changed since the 1950s. It’s all guess work and definitions to trick people into thinking they’re are smart and know what their doing.
I don’t use the word system but I’m diagnosed with DID as well, I’ve been in a psychiatric unit and was diagnosed in a mental health accommodation. It sucked in those places
@@NightPain do you choose not to use the word system because it doesn't represent how your mind functions? I'm not sure how to word it, but I'm asking why you don't use system.
@@AltJGirl I mainly dislike it because usually, system as a term is highly romanticised and to me, it feels a bit like a lifestyle to say ‘I’m a system’ rather then to say ‘I am diagnosed with DID.’ My viewpoint honestly changed as I got older and I spent longer with the diagnosis, plus it’s my way of keeping myself detached from the community because I believe the community makes your symptoms inauthentic, whether you have DID or not, diagnosed or not due to peer pressure to fit in a box surrounding what’s ’system trendy’ or to avoid feeling invalidated in general however, that doesn’t mean if someone uses the word ‘system,’ it means they’re faking it because it can just mean they’re involved in the community.
As a foster kids who was thrown into a Facility with a lot of extremely mentally ill kids. I would have done anything to get out of there, including trying to kill myself so I can go to a hospital.
My dad many times threaten to get me wrongfully admitted into a mental hospital. Threaten to lie to them, make me looks like I’m mentally I’ll when I’m not. He thinks just cause he antagonizes me and I get fed up means I’m mentally ill. He hates it when I get fed up with his nonsense and entitlement. I mean hello earth to dad if you antagonize someone none stop what you expect them to not get frustrated or fed up? Everyone has limits on how much they can handle. One time I just wasn’t having it and I locked myself in my room and he pretended to call a mental hospital on me to scare me. So pathetic. I knew he was faking it because he used the house phone. He always uses his cell phone. Also checked the house phone and yeah line wasn’t active. Also lucky for me My friends family member who’s a cop told me my dad can’t legally do that to me. Guaranteed. Said to call her if anything. Sorry thought I’d share this here. Thanks for reading feels good to share and get it off my chest
@Gun14Slinger : Most who end up in ward have parent/s like this & or severe continued abuse & or neglect. Your father should be avoided as much as possible. He is a highly abusive person toward you. Keep writing...if it helps, which it usually does.
@@kimlec3592 thanks and I Appreciate this. And yeah I believe it and well luckily my best friend who’s mom is a retired cop told me what to do if he ever does falsely call a mental hospital on me. And I can call her any time if so. And yeah I do try to avoid my dad as much as possible. Love him but kinda resent him. He’s hit me many times to I can hit back just scared he will try and twist it and falsely call the MH and tell em I’ve gone nuts and punched him. He also called me a stupid f**k one time when I told him “they’ll bring me back once they see I’m not crazy (he says that word) and you’ll get in trouble” he think he reacted that way cause he knows I’m right
This made me want to throws hands with that doctor who diagnosed the girl and put here in a place like that. I was in a similar situation only difference is I have D.I.D. and my mind tends to be more like a child.(Which no one takes seriously even tho they see im more immature) I was in a very stressful situation, I had no where to go and the place I was at triggered part of my PTSD which made me hurt myself because I didn't know what to do. The people I was with called the police and I was admitted in a place like that they said "the police caught me trying to hurt myself." When reality one of my alts just wanted us to be happy, we where fighting ourselves then our friends came in and stopped us. We didn't even do any damage to ourselves because we are not suicidal or depressed. Instead of fighting tho we just took the anti depresses and kept a smile on our face, eventually we got out of there in a week and stopped the anti depresses because they effected some of my alters negative. At the time I was sent here, I had a diagnoses for D.I.D. but they just didn't listen. All i need is some kind of support for my PTSD not a week in a place like that. Yes they are safe but they are still extremely traumatizing for someone who is innocent, sane, and suffers from ptsd or separation anxiety.
@@midnight_x_edits actually, many people with DID can have co-consciousness, meaning two or more alters share consciousness and awareness of other alters and the situation outside the body. Some alters can communicate internally with each other. Google it
I've studied DID, and that's not commonly how the disorder appears. You would have memory gaps, periods of confusion and loss of reality, and wouldn't have memory of switches, just a hunch if anything based on how others react. As someone who has personally woken up next to their husband and not known who he was, and been told I've forgotten who he was several times, as well as who I am and who others are, it's scary. But it's not what you're going through. That being said, I'm not doctor diagnosed. I think you do need to speak to doctors though.
They are doctors in training being given a tour of the psyc ward. If they are going to be working with these people, better to learn about what wrong with them beforehand.
No, the illnesses are being discussed with other medical professionals responsible for their care. It's NOT being discussed with an outside 3rd party, like a friend or a spouse.
Not in my experience. I have bipolar disorder and I’ve never heard anyone conflate it with bpd. Bipolar disorder is a “mood swing” disorder and borderline personality disorder is not that.
What a pity no episodes can´t be watched in full for free even though some other episodes like the one about the successful lawyer was in complete denial about his depression, even though, those are relatively old episodes. I wish I could watch some episodes fully without having to pay more.
Losing hope is not a sign of mental illness. That hit me hard. I spent three years in obscene pain from trying to improve Advanced Yme Disease. I had no hope. It was so brutal and I have trauma from it. I knew i wasnt insane, it wasthe disease making me lose all hope. Its a horrible thing to feel like that even for a moment and mine lasted three years.
Trauma can and does happen in families, doctors are fast with labels and these labels follow you around. It's a shame that psychiatry is still living in the past
I was wrongly committed many times. They said I had Bipolar. I have severe reactions to prescribed medications and brain lesions from chronic migraine. I have been undiagnosed, but that doesn't make up for the 48 hospitalizations, verbal/mental/physical abuse I dealt with from the doctors and other patients. They told me I had borderline because I left a DV situation. Insane.
We don't know as Nancy was ever seen in this episode and the story was never referenced again. Sadly, that's the point, the story doesn't have a conclusion it is just there to make you think. That's very true of most hospital workers, we don't know what happens to the patience or their families once they leave.
I think Dr. Baker KNEW that this poor kid was not crazy and was trying to gaslight her so she would never be allowed to leave the hospital. It was probably a personal think and Dr. Baker probably knew the mom was crazy and perhaps even agreed with her, or was friends with her. My aunt tried to have me committed to one of these places when I was 12 years old just because I attempted suicide. Dude, if you commit every person who attempts suicide to asylums, then there wouldn't be enough hospitals to put them all in! But my aunt KNEW I wasn't crazy and she wanted to do it out of spite as revenge towards my mom for "daring" divorce my dad, as if she had no right to divorce him and he was right to treat her like crud and she "deserved " to be abused. My aunt probably never wanted me to see anyone on my mom's side of the family again and probably not my doctor or even psychiatrist either if I had one at the time. A few years later, I had depression, anxiety and anger issues. It lasted for eight years from ages fourteen to twenty-two. Fortunately, I got lucky and had a supportive and loving mom, grandparents, brother and cat who would never give up on me, even after I hurt them and wanted them to literally hate me to death, which I didn't mean, as well as a good, competent psychiatrist who had empathy and helped me a lot. Now I am going to turn twenty-six in less than five months and I am doing a letter better. I have a new psychiatrist for nearly three years and he seems like a good person too. Mental health professionals and doctors should ALWAYS have empathy and if they don't and would rather see people locked up just for the sake of being locked up, especially for life,, probably for personal reasons, whether they need it or not, they shouldn't have a license in the first place and whoever gave it to them is probably just or eviler and does the same things or worse. I'm sorry to see that some mental patients are treated more as demonized prisoners who are "not human" and "deserve to die in a mental hospital", even being murdered by mental health doctors who decide that these patients "deserve nothing but death". When some doctors treat mentally struggling people like that, the doctors are the problem and are trying to gaslight the patients into thinking they are evil maniacal bad guys when it is those doctors who are the ones who really pretty much accusing the patients of the things that these doctors themselves are doing. If a mental hospital won't allow any doctors, especially a family doctor or worse, mental health professionals of the mental patients to see them, that means that the mental hospital is doing something illegal, such as murdering patients, deliberately trying to make them permanently untreatable so they will never be allowed to leave, no matter what, /and or never letting them leave and trying to make them think they are permanently hopeless, that they don't want other people to know about except those who are just as evil or worse than they are who will agree with them.
"Losing hope is not a sign of mental illness." This line made me tear up. I've been dealing with chronic low back pain that's been getting progressively worse for the last 5 years. One of my discs recently herniated. I got referred to a neurologist and I'm on a cocktail of painkillers, muscle relaxants, and an anticonvulsant to treat the nerve pain. I've also been dealing with clinical depression for almost half my natural life at this point. It is so hard to keep fighting when every day is just a battle to keep the pain at bay enough to function. I almost don't want to fight anymore, but I have people that need me, so I'm strong for them. I know that God's not done with me yet, and even if I don't understand everything He's doing, I have faith that it's for a good reason.
I was misdiagnosed as depressed and medicated in a psyche ward, i got worse on the meds so they upped the dose until i tried to kill myself then they discharged me to cover it up, I have bipolar 2 once im now on the right meds and work in medicine Oh and i would stab myself to keep myself in a hospital over a psyche ward any day
"Losing hope is not a mental illness" thank you Dr Charles!
I LOVE Dr. Charles! He's my favorite character.
@@bethsharma4766 me too. I basically o ly watch the clips that are Dr. Charles intensive.
He is the reason I actually watch Chicago med. It was after watching both Chicago PD and fire that every time he made an appearance I was like yeah I need to watch Chicago med. Sarah really has a good mentor. I’ll say Dr. Charles is like both a mentor father figure to all the medical staff. He may have not have been a outstanding husband in all his marriages, but deep down he actually is a wise man.
@@monkeycat48 same!
And like being married isnt a walk in the park especially when dealing with so many other peoples mental problems.
Losing** It's not that hard, FFS!
So basically, the doctor in charge of the psych hospital is too arrogant to admit she made a mistake, is that right?
Admitting a mistake in that business = lawsuit = end of your career.
In my opinion @@c.w.simpsonproductions1230 if you can't admit your mistakes in such a business then you should not be in it in the first place. Just saying
My parents both worked in hospitals. More than once, they encountered doctors who'd been in charge for a *little* too long and it had gone to their heads.
I've met many doctors. I know of like, 2, who would admit to making a mistake if they did, out of like, 20 or so. Society treats doctors as gods, and they abso-fucking-lutely let it get to their heads.
Also, to get to the top on *any* institution, you need to be willing to trample anybody in your way. That includes patients who disagree with your diagnosis. Be very, very wary of authority figures. Most of them didn’t get there by baking cupcakes and petting kittens.
Putting someone on meds, locking them up and treating them like they aren't capable of a rational thought, probably isn't going to be that much help.
And yet that’s what often happens
It depends, it’s a case-by-case basis. Some don’t need all that, but many do. It might not fix them, but it’s pretty hard to get someone involuntarily committed, so the crazies and the acting out go to the same place.
well, you wouldn't need meds and hospitalization if you were capable of rational thought. is it rational to ingest toxic substances to the brink of death just because you wanted to see a person you've met for only 10 seconds?
as someone who has had this happen to myself in rehab, i can confirm it only made my condition worsen lol
@@Sniperboy5551it's pretty easy for a parent to get a minor committed in most places in the US.
Once you have been labelled psychotic, there is no un-ringing that bell. No matter what you say, what proof you have, you will be ignored (best case scenario).
Seriously even if you were at some point or had a episode they immediately believe everything you say is meaningless or crazy even people that have extreme psychotic breaks are still normal people when not having a episode even medical professionals don’t understand that for some reason
You're absolutely right...I seriously mistrust and dislike Psychiatrists...they have too much power and once you're "labeled" as mentally ill or with mental health issues, nothing you say will be taken seriously, believed or even listened to....
I was misdiagnosed with bipolar with psychotic features. I had a history of psychosis only on psych meds. I also have brain lesions that nobody bothered ordering an MRI to check on and it turns out I have lesions from chronic migraine that cause visual disturbances and vertigo. Never had auditory hallucinations, but one psychiatrist told me I was being discharged from the hospital at one point- and then got more days approved by insurance so rescinded that. When I called him out, he said, "Maybe you are just hallucinating". A lot of psychiatrists are monsters.
True. I'm stuck with it myself.
Not true
This is freaking insane, I literally went through this as a kid. Since then, my mother's been diagnosed with DID and literally switches back and forth. This, coupled with the abuse I suffered from her and her husband, made for a very violent childhood. No one ever wanted to listen when i told them she was insane, so anytime I see stuff like this, it hits close to home.
you mom doesnt have DID
@Kim Pedersen uhm yeah tell that to the hospital she stayed in for 6 months and the list of therapists that have agreed in the years since. But sure I'm guessing you know something all these professionals don't. Oh and the fact that she's been given SSi on the first try which doesn't happen even for folks who have leukemia I know I've dealt with it personally.
I've dealing with the same issue right now my parent are emotionally abusive towards me I have bipolar so when I try to report the abuse it get pointed back on me when its my mom treating me like dirt she also has bipolar but she's crazy not me im under control I take medication for it she won't go to the doctors for hers its ridiculous like go to the doctor get some help
Mine too. All anyone saw was my reaction my behavior to her. I was the sick crazy one even though they knew she had a mental illness hers was minimized while mine was maximized. No one believed me. Not the courts dcf therapists everyone believed her. Yet i did not have rage until the age of 15 towards her when she went into treatment and I became her focus her target but because she looked stable on the outside and I did not. I was not believed instead I was angry for no reason while she was seen as a good mother, but no one saw her at home. I hate her she is the same today just heavily medicated
@Erica Blaschke it's crazy how many of us have similar experiences with that generation of parents. I'm not sure why or what happened to make them so damned toxic. Maybe it was the drinking and abuse from their parents, idk. What I do know is this; we are not the sum of our abuse. We don't have to let it control us or our actions. At 15, I was a homeless drunk wandering from couch to couch bf to bf because I felt like I didn't matter. I was taken advantage of by my mom's husband and abused by him as well as the physical and psychological abuse from her. I found a way to forgive and it wasn't easy but I did it for myself because I was so sick and tired of hurting, I had to learn and find a way to cope and cutting wasn't the answer as I'd been doing that for many years as well. It breaks my heart to know so many others suffered our injustices. I meant what I said. It doesn't get to control us forever it only has power if you let it. One day, I hope to start a children's home a ranch with beautiful blue skies and horses for kids like us, for the ones who truly have no voice. To show them the love they clearly are missing at home. Maybe one day you can come visit 😁 I would love to stay in touch somehow, maybe FB, or I can give you my email. I think I important to have someone who's gone through similar stuff on your side. It's the only way I was able to keep my head above the water, hearing another's story where they felt the same way I did so for once I didn't feel alone in my pain and hatred. Either way, thank you for talking with me.🖤💜🖤
There is a movie called Sucker Punch. It's about the wrongful committal of a teen for accidentally killing her sister because her father abuses both of them. It was the father's fault. But it shows how being in an unreasonable mental health facility can contribute to psychotic episodes. Zach Snyder, I think, it's awesome!!!
Psychiatry deserves to burn.
With Emily Browning, right? I love her.
Agree, one of my all time most favourite badass movies.
@@EPrimeify yep. Great movie with not enough appreciation.
Sucker Punch is such an awesome severely underrated movie.
Remember being 12 years old and getting placed into a mental hospital for several months on false claims made by someone whom I’m not going to mention. Given false diagnosis and immediately put on heavy meds to “help”. Felt so isolated and it was a dehumanising experience, every doctor there treated you like you were a nobody. Something needs to change
I'm so sorry! ((HUGS))
Yep.
14 here.
Psych placement for several months on a first commitment? Must have cost someone a fortune. This must have been a terrible place to have kept you that long on the mere word of one person. They should have realized you were sane based on their initial observations
You saying it like we
Would know the person
@@danielle1604 I was responding to RixyZ's account of her psych story she posted. No, you wouldn't know her but you should know her story thats posted at the top of the page.
they left a scalpel in the room of a patient who is a suicide risk lol
When you think sharp objects are a main tool for committing suicide, you lack imagination...
If you think everything is a suicide tool, you need help!
@@kairinase its not just me you go to any hospital theyre gonna have a policy on what you can bring and leave with a suicide risk patient lol
@Muhammad Zulkhairi Mohd Nasir you clearly don't understand mental health. Based on your name, that makes sense
@@kairinase having spent time in psych wards for self harming, they take everything potentially harmful away. Pencils, pens, tumb tacks, paper clips shoe laces, hand sanitizers on the walls emptied ect. They will even go through the ingredients on your shampoos because they wont let certain chemicals in. When you are in that mindset, yes everything that has a potential of causing harm, will be used to cause harm.
True story, when I was a teen I went to the ER for c*tting my wrists. They left me in the room. I looked around and so a box written "scalpels" on it. Brought it home, came back to the ER the next day.
As someone wrongfully put in a psych ward, I will say I totally understand her actions. Being in an environment where mental health is really treated like a game, it really breaks down your mental health and can make whatever you're going through worse. It's this double edged sword of not being let go until your "stable" but the place is the one thing making you unstable. It can feel like a lose-lose situation for sure.
From the way it sounds, the girl seems to have anxiety and fear over being misdiagnosed. Given she said she was abused by her mother and that the mom herself gave a false story about her daughter being crazy, I don't get why they didn't let the daughter speak up.
But Nancy is right overall. She doesn't belong in a psyche hospital. She's scared and is crying for help. Sad the psyche doctor doesn't see that.
Dr, Wheeler asking about going to a psych and being left hanging was an oof. Would you consider a compilation of his scenes that are relevant to his departure from the series?
I had a father with NPD, (undiagnosed, but that man would never go near a doctor willingly), and he committed me alongside a team of psychs to a ward. The ward made my mental health worse, the professionals inside there were bitter, resentful, accusatory and nasty. Being not believed, told you’re crazy day in, day out, and then being told by professionals you’re dreaming up your abuse and your mental health is your own fault is a double combo for a 15 year old. It nearly killed me. Im only here today because I had one person in my court, but if I didn’t , i would’ve killed myself. I don’t blame a young woman who’s been locked up tight without a chance to breathe being told she’s delusional.
Are you a psychologist? How would you know?
@@Sniperboy5551sometimes it’s just obvious. i can TELL my mom has some type of NPD and/or Bipolar/DID. just by the way she acts. it causes her to abuse me, and then deny it, so i know.
Not quite the same, but I can kinda relate to this story. When my adopted mother found out that my bio mom was diagnosed with bpd, she automatically assumed that my sister and I had it as well (I was 12 and my sis was about 9). She took us to a psychiatrist and convinced her we had bpd and were prescribed pills that we were forced to take.
My adopted mom did something like this again when I started having my period and wanted me to get on birth control that "would permanently stop my periods." My pediatrician at the time didn't think that was a good idea for a child, but prescribed birth control to me anyway.
Since becoming an adult, I stopped taking the psychotic meds, got married and have stayed married, can hold down a job effortlessly, and keep limited contact with my adoptive mom.
I'm so sorry! 🫂🫂🫂🫂
Are you able to have children? I only ask because of the medication she made you take.
She was not a mom. I’m so sorry.
as someone with bpd, it's dangerous to continue to push the stereotype that we're all manipulative and persuasive bc it's not true. just bc some portion of people with bpd are like that doesn't mean every person is like that. 10 people can have the same diagnosis and present in 10 different ways. there's no clear cut, definitive set of symptoms that have to be checked off in order to gain a diagnosis. at the end, Dr Charles reminds me of something my own doctor told me: i told him that i was severely depressed and he said that, if someone came to him, who wasn't mentally ill, and had been thru everything i had and said they were depressed, he'd believe them. bc sometimes the things we go thru make us have normal, human reactions that aren't the result of something being medically "wrong".
that’s why that story about the residents going to the mall and trying to point out who was mentally ill, but not being able to agree on who was, is so real to how mental health works.
I’m bipolar and when I was younger I learned to be manipulative from trauma and living with a narcissist parent, not out of malice but as a coping mechanism. manipulating her in to thinking I agreed with her was a survival mechanism.
even people who can be manipulative due to disorders aren’t always doing it out of contempt for the people around them, and lots of mentally stable people forget that. is it good that manipulation is happening? absolutely not. but looking deeper at the bigger picture can tell you a lot about how to treat someone’s issues.
I'm Bipolar and my problem is with the "cookie cutter" diagnosis that too many do. They look at past patients and diagnose based upon that rather than the patient in front of them.
I have bpd also and am so sick of the stereotypes that come with it
There are some excellent videos on here that discuss the different forms of BPD, but most people don't understand that there are different types, as with most personality disorders.
This needs pointing out so much, I lost my job because of a bpd diagnosis, my boss googled it and the stereotype made her sack me as dangerous. 10 years with the charity, three promotions and not one complaint about me yet sacked because “having a mental illness makes me a danger and threat to staff and clients”.
dr charles is awesome love him
Legit need to watch more of the full episodes with my mom, we both love the show and he is a favorite character of both of us.
Don't buy psychiatry propaganda. They have an affair with money.
"Losing hope is not a sign of mental illness, it's a sign of being human"
What a line.
@@inheritmyshoes9559 If only every psychiarist out there were just half of him.
@@Wabbelpaddel too many are like the blonde, sadly.
Why would they leave a minor psych patient unattended in a non-psych hospital room? Shouldn’t there have been a staff present to monitor her? Or shouldn’t they have stabilized her condition and moved her to a secure area? In the real world that hospital would be looking at anywhere between $10,000-30,000 in fines alone for violations putting a patient in immediate jeopardy not to mention legal compensation which the family would most certainly be entitled to as long as they can retain council which in this circumstance it sounds like they probably wouldn’t be able to.
Usually they don't give a damn in real life, cause if they interfere, it would make it hard to hold a case for the guilty party.
Like that famous war strategist always said: "Don't interrupt your enemy when they're making mistakes".
These shows basically never get it right when it comes to patients who may harm themselves. Probably so they can milk the drama when those patients inevitably do so.
Also why were there sharp objects in her reach
Its a show my guy calm tf down
Yeah but this is TV.
And on TV they shock flatlining patients...
So obviously they write the script for the most drama - not the most accurate.
Who else wants Dr. Charles as a father figure in their life?😫😭
I wouldn't, mainly because my father, mother and first stepmother are ALL therapists, and from a young age, they've been throwing mental illness diagnosis at me and putting me in therapy since I was 5 and I didn't know why, only because they said it was to 'help me'. Most of the time my father didn't know how to turn off the therapist in him, especially, when what I NEEDED was a father. it's extremely disheartening when people only HEAR you but don't LISTEN to you. :(
she could have the odd depression and anxiety moments but she isn't insane, she shouldn't be there
Wait- 15 year olds can’t normally be diagnosed with BPD, can they? I thought you had to be 18, bc teenage personalities are already unstable.
no they can’t, or at least shouldn’t be. most professionals will not diagnose until 18 bc the symptoms are very similar to that of a teenager going through hormone changes and natural mood swings, experimenting with drugs and alcohol as teenagers do, being dramatic about relationships. except bpd and these behaviors, along with suicidal tendencies are very distressing as an adult. which is why it’s not diagnose until 18 and most mental health conditions are not diagnosed unless they cause disruption of being able to function.
Not really no, teenagers can sometimes be in rare cases diagnosed with bpd (although usually thats still over 15 at the very least) but its not always very accurate because personalities continue to develop well into your 20's.
Yeah, you can’t really be diagnosed until you’re 18. I was diagnosed at 18 for example.
I have BDP, and from what I understand, it usually doesn't present itself until a bit later in life, and has a Major Genetic factor, usuall passed by the mother. So in real life she would very likely have BPD herself.
No one I’ve ever known has been diagnosed until 16 absolute minimum. You’re correct that it’s not normal.
I had a not quite similar childhood. Who else would agree that as a young girl when your first and most serious love breaks up with you over the phone nearly a year into your relationship (because of your mother).. you'd probably get depressed and not think straight. Having a homophobic (not related to this incident directly) and racist controlling mother. I did one dumb mistake out of sadness and I get sent away somewhere. One place for 2 weeks, the next place for 2 months. Not a word to my friends. I disappeared to them. She'd put me down and ruined my social and esteem skills. I went through at least 5 different antidepressants over the years. But yet *I* was the reason *she* had to go on a medication? The mental damage is still in me over 20 years later. Support your kids. Realize when you're the problem. Don't just dump them somewhere instead of talking. And recognize which kind of help is right and when. ❤️ to anyone who's had it hard and no one listened.
As someone who has dealt with unforgiving parents, I cannot wait until I am a mother. I plan to study child development and will always love my child no matter what. It honestly confuses me how some parents could not.
While we’re on the subject of mental health, Dr Wheeler asks Dr Reece is therapy has helped her.
In a later episode, Dr. Wheeler throws himself off the hospital roof because he can no longer take the pressures of residency.
It’s the first clue that he’s struggling, and I think his plot while small (Dr. Wheeler is a tertiary character) it’s incredibly important and highlights the very real struggle many doctors face.
I worked with an anesthesia attending that jumped off the roof of the hospital garage one morning after his shift. He was in his thirties. He had a wife and kids.
Been the one on the bed with the feeding tube, but my doc kept all of us ED patients on the med unit. The psych unit wouldn’t take eating disorder patients requiring tube feed because it was considered a risk with other patients trying to grab it. Most of the medical team couldn’t handle managing the medical side effects. I’m lucky that I never had to be in a psych unit like that, I know some people who have and it made their anorexia and bulimia worse.
I definitely prefer ED specific treatment facilities. It can be hard with the comparison to others, but it helps a lot being with people who know exactly what you’re going through.
This is why i never breathed a word to anyone about my mental health struggles until i literally could not hold myself together and had a severe breakdown. My door was literally broken down and i was dragged from my room to be taken to the psych ward. Thankfully, I fought back and was able to run away. Eventually, my family agreed to outpatient care. Psych care is such a disaster that seriously leaves more people traumatized than helped. I am extremely fortunate that my family saw reason and ended up apologizing for what they did.
The fact that you had the willingness to think outside the box and realize you didn’t need to go there shows that you have a lot better mental health and stability than you think. Life can be awful rough I think you’re gonna do great God bless I’ll say some prayers for you.
Agreed. I had an attempt several years back at the end of a seemingly hopeless abuse situation. I’d tried to stave it off for so long because of how horrible the mental healthcare in my area is. Thankfully by some miracle my uncle heard what had happened, and was able to get me into a good hospital that wouldn’t cost us an arm and a leg. They put me into an excellent outpatient program that was able to properly diagnose and treat PTSD. But if he hadn’t recommended that, and one of the local hospitals was called instead, I had backup plans to end my life on spot before they arrived. They are well known for being absolutely horrible, even still using shock therapy. Most people I’ve known who’ve been hospitalized at the two mental hospitals near me have had another crisis shortly after, or wound up worse off and ending their lives. They’d all spoken about as being treated like animals, or science projects. A couple of them were also minors admitted by abusive parents much like the girl in the show. It’s sick that a country that claims to be first world is allowed to treat people like this.
@@Americanpatriot-zo2tk thank you so much for your kind words!! I appreciate your prayers. May God bless you as well
@@theresistance0012 ty
Poor girl no one would be stable with a mother like that
Ok so I have been seeing a few comments mentioning being disappointed because apparently “dr Charles said about people with bpd being manipulative. I admit that shows definitely can show very stereotypical versions of mental illness, but i don’t think that’s what’s done here. They did make sure to say “they can” instead of “they are” which immediately shows verbally he wasn’t trying to marginalize, but instead mention a common symptom. This patient had convinced the other doctor she wasn’t crazy and he justifiably just told the other doctor to be careful as they CAN be. It is a common thing in this illness , especially ones who have trouble with abandonment and loneliness. There are some that are manipulative and some that arent as everyone is different. Unfortunately people with mental illnesses tend to be treated different and like nut cases. Im speaking from a family with people with bpd and other mental illness; as I just wanted to share my thoughts.
I wish Dr Charles was my shrink
The system is so broken. It’s so bad and such a disappointment.
So how do you fix it?
@@merricat3025 the only way humans can, war
@@merricat3025 sad thing is, most people want to avoid that. But great changes happen when people stand up for the government and demand change “they never listen” so the next step is taking physical action “looting, rioting”. Then if they still haven’t changed then you will have to bring war upon them, take the civil war for example.
@@rixyz7013 war and revolution can make it worse too. Look at Iran. They got rid of show only be replaced with the Ayatolah ( forgive the spelling).
@@merricat3025 you asked how you fix it, I gave you the answer
Back in the day, women were committed to psych wards all the time. If they refused the divorce, they talked back too often, found out about the mistress, etc.
And you bring this up why? It's totally irrelevant to the clip, you just sound like a jaded woman who needs to take any chance to bring up how poorly women were treated in the past like it somehow makes you a victim today
@slowazzd2165 You're adorable and hilarious. People must love you. 🤗
@@slowazzd2165 that's not the point. The point is that sexism still exists, and forgetting about it gives it power. People are still treated improperly because of other people's opinions towards their sex. This that's being said about women getting locked up over minor things is just a fact. Some women are still thrown into the system in a similar fashion.
Oh lord, when I was a kid my worst nightmare was ending up in a psychiatric ward. I was diagnosed with Autism at a young age and I made the mistake of telling my friend and she told her friend and she told everyone in school and all the kids would say things like I was crazy and belonged in a home somewhere. Or that I was an escapee from a mental hospital. I would have nightmares about being dragged away in a straight jacket.
I have autism too, amongst other things. It’s a fear I have as well, it’s natural. And it takes A LOT of problems for that to happen and even if it did. It’s not 1950 anymore, it’s not what people think.
Imagine having someone like Dr. Charles in your life.
To be fair, crazy doesn't mean wrong. And if the hard evidence isn't physically in the room, being psychotic looks exactly the same as being right.
It's incredibly easy for a doctor to assume a patient is mis-reporting critical details due to either manipulative intent or psychosis, and impossible for a patient to prove otherwise, especially from within the mental healthcare system. Getting providers to even acknowledge that a patient might possibly be telling anything resembling the truth, is often physically impossible. There's just nothing you can do, if nobody with the authority to free you from the psych ward, believes a single word out of your mouth.
And if you aren't crazy to begin with, spending long enough surrounded by authority figures stripping you of your autonomy at every turn will fix that.
dr wheeler asking if dr reese went to therapy 😩😓
I know... she was so distracted! He felt invisible.
The rhetoric that those with BPD are manipulative is so problematic and also very untrue. Very disappointed to see Dr Charles say that
Well at least he filed the appeal. But yeah I have BPD. But it affects my emotions. I decide if I want to manipulate or not.
He said "can be manipulative". Use your ears
@@weavercs4014 I did and this is a topic that is under a lot of discussion in the community and amongst professionals as it is a disorder that is used to exclude people from services and also has very gendered diagnostic criteria. In fact many people later get diagnosed with complex PTSD or as autistic and are misdiagnosed as BPD.
@@101spacemonkey irrelevant
This girl is so desperate that I believe her. Especially after she took a staple to her wrist. That’s not normal teenage behavior but they want to put her in a psych hospital off what she did do to herself and she clearly is a danger to herself regardless. Further investigation in such a situation should be made if the mother is bi polar and not a fit parent for her to go back to but she’ll likely just wind up in the system it’s no better there either so it’s a catch 22
It is terrifying how easy it is for people to use systems meant to help as a means of control. Parents have too many rights and children not enough. Your child is not a plaything or an object you own and society has to deal with the unadjusted adult that parents and systems have free reign to create. The USA and Somalia are two of the only countries that would not even consider signing a symbolic childs bill of rights. We act as though they are subhuman then suddenly the second they turn 18 they are 100% responsible for their own care when parents are allowed to deny them any and all things as they are owned by the parents. We have guardian ad litems but they are tied to a broken system. A parent can legally send their child away to torture camps where dozens of kids have been killed, hundreds molested and all abused in the name of faith or religion or whatever excuse they want. Those torture centers can shock the kids, starve the kids, torture and psychologically abuse the kids with impunity as long as the parents say its fine. We have popular daytime tal shows that advocate for these abduction and assault camps...its all so gross
Calm down.
@@littleone1656 nah, let them speak. Stuff like this exists and we should be allowed to hear and discuss it.
@AltJGirl perhaps but these rants imply that children are on the same level as adults and they're not. Some decisions should ONLY be made by the parents.
As someone with BPD it can be hard to see the difference between our condition and losing hope. Do you think a psych doctor can the difference? That doctor needs more training.
Charles and Reese were always the two most goated characters in the show. Definition of peep game and lock in
3:37 Dr. Wheeler 😢
While we’re on the subject of mental health, Dr Wheeler asks Dr Reece is therapy has helped her.
In a later episode, Dr. Wheeler throws himself off the hospital roof because he can no longer take the pressures of residency.
It’s the first clue that he’s struggling, and I think his plot while small (Dr. Wheeler is a tertiary character) it’s incredibly important and highlights the very real struggle many doctors face.
I’m currently working in the psychiatric department as a part of nursing school. This is actually very real. Psychiatric patients are very interesting, and it’s important to listen to them and try to understand them in a non-judgmental manner. They are human just like all of us. Though some patients you do have to look out for, because they will claim they are “not crazy,” but use it as a means to manipulate staff into thinking they’re not. Of course that’s not always the case, but that’s why it’s always important to listen to patients, use clinical reasoning, etc to give them the best care possible.
There is no such thing as “crazy”. You should probably get rid of that notion before you graduate. No doctor will ever diagnose someone as being out of their mind-maybe they have schizophrenia or intermittent explosive disorder or dissociative identity disorder, but “crazy” shouldn’t even be in your vocabulary.
@@eileensnow6153 ???? I wasn’t using it as a diagnostic term? I was using it in quoting manner. Some patients have legitimately used the word to describe themselves, along with other slang terms instead of medically accurate descriptors. Or they have used it to describe how they think other people view them, or quote things others have said about them.
But speaking as someone who also experiences mental health conditions, I would never use the word ‘crazy’ to ever describe anyone because I know how damaging it can be
@@amelonnamedkate1400 Here is a simple fix. Just don't use the word. SMDH
And have a second opinion in case of need.
@@LittleBitofHopeToo2518thats so stupid. In this video they where obviously talking about crazy, and they just referenced it. You cant talk anout the video if you cut out words that where said just because you dont like it. It's not as if he has said the n word
3:46 Isn't that the guy who killed himself in the show?
I wish there was a show with just the two of them
Keep up all the good work you’ve done amazing videos❤😂🎉😅😊!
i absolutely LOVE dr. charles
I too have borderline personality disorder!!! High five
When she cut herself at the end why is there a scalpel in the room and why is it not locked up something like that should be locked up
I relate to the young girl. My mother is bipolar and puts all her frustration out on me and calls me crazy and that i need medication. Because I hear and see things no one else does. Bipolar and Schizophrenia run in the family, but I wasn't diagnosed with any of that. I can't mentally handle stressors and will harm if it's too much and i can't understand. And no one understands me. She threatened to kick me out on the streets because I harmed myself ( due to all her and her husband constant issues) or get me immitted into the hospital instead of comforting me.
My late mother had been diagnosed as being bipolar by her Dr, but she didn't believe him, got several different 2nd opinions of which agreed with the original diagnosis. When I had been diagnosed myself, she refused to believe it, even after reading the report signed by not one, but 8 independent psyc Dr's in 2010. Unfortunately she took her denial about it being hereditary to her grave 10 years later.
@@jamieroark5769 I'm sorry for dat. My mom is Bipolar and she never gets better because she refuses to take her meds and lies to any doctor she goes to now. I'm kicked out now without any help from family she chose her husband over me. My mental state got so much better after leaving that house. I got diagnosed with major depression with psychotic tendencies before I was kicked out.
bruh, why'd she have to cut herself with the scalpel? they were literally like "maybe she isn't mentally ill" and then she goes and does that? not really helping her case🤦
True but yet she doesn’t want to go back. If she gets sent back then it’s harder for to explain herself on why she shouldn’t be there.
Can't say I blame her. She's basically been kidnapped by the state and forced to stay in a mental ward where she's treated like she's crazy. Would you want to go back if you were in her position?
i can't get passed the idea she drank a bunch of hydrofluoric acid she'd have no bones it goes directly to the calcium in the bones
She was desperate.
she was desperate to stay in the hospital until sarah figured smth out and she had to go to the extreme or she wouldn’t be admitted.
A friend of mine was committed against her will because her parents and school didn’t like what she was writing in her religion classes. She was questioning things. They labeled her all sorts of mentally ill. She got out and her mom refused to get her treatment for her depression because it “didn’t look good on the family” when she was in there they told everyone it was mono. When she couldn’t get treatment she needed she tried to OD on otc pain relievers and I called her mom who eventually believed that her child maybe did need help and to stop being so religious and weird.
Questioning religion is okay. You should be allowed to ask questions and learn. And being embarrassed of your child is not an excuse to deny them help. I wouldn't be surprised if she goes no-contact with her mother later on.
This happened to me, then the head dr came in and released me immediately. Unfortunately thats not always the case.
Be careful with borderline labelling, this is a show with misguided information.
Her cutting herself definitely doesn’t help her case
She’s been forced into a mental institution run by a corrupt supervisor who misdiagnosed her…. How else would she be able to get out?
She was desperate to stay away from a psych ward and a psychiatrist that didn't want to admit that she misdiagnosed her
As a system with DID who was institutionalized, it was the worst experience of our life. We were trapped, 18 hours a day on the floor, without a bed or table or chair. We had a stained mattress with the itchiest wool blanket overtop it. Nothing to do but watch the cars go by outside our window. The other 6 hours we were stuck in a room with people ranging from folks who had to tried to take their own life, to literal psychopaths (if trapping those that want to die in a room with those willing to kill is a good idea, then we must be stupid). We were told to socialize or do something creative with sheets of paper and crayons (mind you all the patients were all over the age the 14.) We could not see a doctor (even a phycologist) leave unless we hurt ourselves bad enough to need medical attention. Oh and if you did that you get trapped there for another *six* months.
You were not allowed to see your parents, at all, for any reason. We were stuck there for two and half months before they needed new room so they gave us freedom. In all, the entire feild of phycology is scam that hasn’t real changed since the 1950s. It’s all guess work and definitions to trick people into thinking they’re are smart and know what their doing.
>Owl house pfp
>system
>constantly using "we"
You're faking it.
I don’t use the word system but I’m diagnosed with DID as well, I’ve been in a psychiatric unit and was diagnosed in a mental health accommodation. It sucked in those places
@@JaxonElzinga this story doesn't seem that real, you have a point.
@@NightPain do you choose not to use the word system because it doesn't represent how your mind functions? I'm not sure how to word it, but I'm asking why you don't use system.
@@AltJGirl I mainly dislike it because usually, system as a term is highly romanticised and to me, it feels a bit like a lifestyle to say ‘I’m a system’ rather then to say ‘I am diagnosed with DID.’ My viewpoint honestly changed as I got older and I spent longer with the diagnosis, plus it’s my way of keeping myself detached from the community because I believe the community makes your symptoms inauthentic, whether you have DID or not, diagnosed or not due to peer pressure to fit in a box surrounding what’s ’system trendy’ or to avoid feeling invalidated in general however, that doesn’t mean if someone uses the word ‘system,’ it means they’re faking it because it can just mean they’re involved in the community.
Actually you never put a ryles tube if the patient swallowed acid
All too possible. This sort of thing has absolutely happened
Let's be real, NO psych doctors are this sane or reasonable.
1st, also love this channel!! i love this show also. thanks for posting!!
I recognize the girl wasn’t she pregnant on another doctor show or am I mental lol
Dr. Charles is great. 🥰
As a foster kids who was thrown into a Facility with a lot of extremely mentally ill kids. I would have done anything to get out of there, including trying to kill myself so I can go to a hospital.
Whatever happen to this girl?
My dad many times threaten to get me wrongfully admitted into a mental hospital. Threaten to lie to them, make me looks like I’m mentally I’ll when I’m not. He thinks just cause he antagonizes me and I get fed up means I’m mentally ill. He hates it when I get fed up with his nonsense and entitlement. I mean hello earth to dad if you antagonize someone none stop what you expect them to not get frustrated or fed up? Everyone has limits on how much they can handle. One time I just wasn’t having it and I locked myself in my room and he pretended to call a mental hospital on me to scare me. So pathetic. I knew he was faking it because he used the house phone. He always uses his cell phone. Also checked the house phone and yeah line wasn’t active. Also lucky for me My friends family member who’s a cop told me my dad can’t legally do that to me. Guaranteed. Said to call her if anything. Sorry thought I’d share this here. Thanks for reading feels good to share and get it off my chest
@Gun14Slinger : Most who end up in ward have parent/s like this & or severe continued abuse & or neglect. Your father should be avoided as much as possible. He is a highly abusive person toward you. Keep writing...if it helps, which it usually does.
@@kimlec3592 thanks and I Appreciate this. And yeah I believe it and well luckily my best friend who’s mom is a retired cop told me what to do if he ever does falsely call a mental hospital on me. And I can call her any time if so. And yeah I do try to avoid my dad as much as possible. Love him but kinda resent him. He’s hit me many times to I can hit back just scared he will try and twist it and falsely call the MH and tell em I’ve gone nuts and punched him. He also called me a stupid f**k one time when I told him “they’ll bring me back once they see I’m not crazy (he says that word) and you’ll get in trouble” he think he reacted that way cause he knows I’m right
This made me want to throws hands with that doctor who diagnosed the girl and put here in a place like that. I was in a similar situation only difference is I have D.I.D. and my mind tends to be more like a child.(Which no one takes seriously even tho they see im more immature) I was in a very stressful situation, I had no where to go and the place I was at triggered part of my PTSD which made me hurt myself because I didn't know what to do. The people I was with called the police and I was admitted in a place like that they said "the police caught me trying to hurt myself." When reality one of my alts just wanted us to be happy, we where fighting ourselves then our friends came in and stopped us. We didn't even do any damage to ourselves because we are not suicidal or depressed. Instead of fighting tho we just took the anti depresses and kept a smile on our face, eventually we got out of there in a week and stopped the anti depresses because they effected some of my alters negative. At the time I was sent here, I had a diagnoses for D.I.D. but they just didn't listen. All i need is some kind of support for my PTSD not a week in a place like that. Yes they are safe but they are still extremely traumatizing for someone who is innocent, sane, and suffers from ptsd or separation anxiety.
When you have DID you are unaware of your other “alters” so yea you don’t have DID you’re just trying to be trendy
@@midnight_x_edits actually, many people with DID can have co-consciousness, meaning two or more alters share consciousness and awareness of other alters and the situation outside the body. Some alters can communicate internally with each other. Google it
I've studied DID, and that's not commonly how the disorder appears. You would have memory gaps, periods of confusion and loss of reality, and wouldn't have memory of switches, just a hunch if anything based on how others react. As someone who has personally woken up next to their husband and not known who he was, and been told I've forgotten who he was several times, as well as who I am and who others are, it's scary. But it's not what you're going through. That being said, I'm not doctor diagnosed. I think you do need to speak to doctors though.
Isn't these doctors talking about the patients/their conditions at the beginning a HUGE HIPAA violation?!
They are doctors in training being given a tour of the psyc ward. If they are going to be working with these people, better to learn about what wrong with them beforehand.
No, the illnesses are being discussed with other medical professionals responsible for their care. It's NOT being discussed with an outside 3rd party, like a friend or a spouse.
I get emotional every dam episode of this show
As someone who’s been in the ER for suicide attempts, they put you in a completely empty room. They’d never ever allow a scalpel in there lol!
Do they call “borderline personality disorder “ bipolar disorder now? Honestly asking.
Not in my experience. I have bipolar disorder and I’ve never heard anyone conflate it with bpd. Bipolar disorder is a “mood swing” disorder and borderline personality disorder is not that.
No they’re two different disorders
No. They’re two different things.
those r two different disorders
Two very different illnesses
What a pity no episodes can´t be watched in full for free even though some other episodes like the one about the successful lawyer was in complete denial about his depression, even though, those are relatively old episodes. I wish I could watch some episodes fully without having to pay more.
This is..wow- 6:05 - Dr. Reese speaks truth lmaoo
Don’t make matters worse to get out of a situation
Losing hope is not a sign of mental illness.
That hit me hard. I spent three years in obscene pain from trying to improve Advanced Yme Disease. I had no hope. It was so brutal and I have trauma from it.
I knew i wasnt insane, it wasthe disease making me lose all hope. Its a horrible thing to feel like that even for a moment and mine lasted three years.
Same ): I hope you’ve been doing better.
We need more psychiatrists like Dr Charles
treat someone like they're crazy, eventually they'll start acting crazy
Trauma can and does happen in families, doctors are fast with labels and these labels follow you around. It's a shame that psychiatry is still living in the past
Losing hope is not a sign of mental illness. Ouch.
It's definitely a sign, but it doesn't mean someone has an illness. If so, everyone would be ill.
@@AltJGirl correct
Thank God I don't know literally anyone living in Michigan or Wisconsin. It's wiped out cuz it never happened. Like the one(s) that betrayed me
I was wrongly committed many times. They said I had Bipolar. I have severe reactions to prescribed medications and brain lesions from chronic migraine. I have been undiagnosed, but that doesn't make up for the 48 hospitalizations, verbal/mental/physical abuse I dealt with from the doctors and other patients.
They told me I had borderline because I left a DV situation. Insane.
Dr Wheeler.... iykyk 💔
If somehow they don't have the budget to do this drama anymore, I hope they turn the series into animation.
Animation now costs more per frame, if I recall correctly.
@@lifeunbridled Blame it on The Simpsons.
did she ever get out?
We don't know as Nancy was ever seen in this episode and the story was never referenced again. Sadly, that's the point, the story doesn't have a conclusion it is just there to make you think. That's very true of most hospital workers, we don't know what happens to the patience or their families once they leave.
We're is doctor Magnin
Who is magnin
👍
What season and episode is this
Won’t sodium hydroxide and hydrochloric acid together just equal salt water?
yes. a base and an acid would neutralize each other
You know that's a good point. Two fake suicide attempts in the same 10 minute segment. She's not crazy. She's something else.
Did she despair or did she do something desperate so she could stay with Dr Reese?
"She must have grabbed the scalpel from the cart." Because they leave that stuff kicking around in Emerg rooms. That and opiods. Totally believable.
Nice product placement for APPLE
I think Dr. Baker KNEW that this poor kid was not crazy and was trying to gaslight her so she would never be allowed to leave the hospital. It was probably a personal think and Dr. Baker probably knew the mom was crazy and perhaps even agreed with her, or was friends with her. My aunt tried to have me committed to one of these places when I was 12 years old just because I attempted suicide. Dude, if you commit every person who attempts suicide to asylums, then there wouldn't be enough hospitals to put them all in! But my aunt KNEW I wasn't crazy and she wanted to do it out of spite as revenge towards my mom for "daring" divorce my dad, as if she had no right to divorce him and he was right to treat her like crud and she "deserved " to be abused. My aunt probably never wanted me to see anyone on my mom's side of the family again and probably not my doctor or even psychiatrist either if I had one at the time. A few years later, I had depression, anxiety and anger issues. It lasted for eight years from ages fourteen to twenty-two. Fortunately, I got lucky and had a supportive and loving mom, grandparents, brother and cat who would never give up on me, even after I hurt them and wanted them to literally hate me to death, which I didn't mean, as well as a good, competent psychiatrist who had empathy and helped me a lot. Now I am going to turn twenty-six in less than five months and I am doing a letter better. I have a new psychiatrist for nearly three years and he seems like a good person too. Mental health professionals and doctors should ALWAYS have empathy and if they don't and would rather see people locked up just for the sake of being locked up, especially for life,, probably for personal reasons, whether they need it or not, they shouldn't have a license in the first place and whoever gave it to them is probably just or eviler and does the same things or worse. I'm sorry to see that some mental patients are treated more as demonized prisoners who are "not human" and "deserve to die in a mental hospital", even being murdered by mental health doctors who decide that these patients "deserve nothing but death". When some doctors treat mentally struggling people like that, the doctors are the problem and are trying to gaslight the patients into thinking they are evil maniacal bad guys when it is those doctors who are the ones who really pretty much accusing the patients of the things that these doctors themselves are doing. If a mental hospital won't allow any doctors, especially a family doctor or worse, mental health professionals of the mental patients to see them, that means that the mental hospital is doing something illegal, such as murdering patients, deliberately trying to make them permanently untreatable so they will never be allowed to leave, no matter what, /and or never letting them leave and trying to make them think they are permanently hopeless, that they don't want other people to know about except those who are just as evil or worse than they are who will agree with them.
How did the episode end?
Yet they went to university and still made a huge mistake
Where is the whole episode? Thank you
I almost went to a psychiatric hospital but I didn’t want to
@Depression because I’m autistic and I need help
She’s not mentally ill at all.
"Losing hope is not a sign of mental illness." This line made me tear up. I've been dealing with chronic low back pain that's been getting progressively worse for the last 5 years. One of my discs recently herniated. I got referred to a neurologist and I'm on a cocktail of painkillers, muscle relaxants, and an anticonvulsant to treat the nerve pain. I've also been dealing with clinical depression for almost half my natural life at this point. It is so hard to keep fighting when every day is just a battle to keep the pain at bay enough to function. I almost don't want to fight anymore, but I have people that need me, so I'm strong for them. I know that God's not done with me yet, and even if I don't understand everything He's doing, I have faith that it's for a good reason.
huh, that's the girl from 2012. she was the little girl. almost didnt recognize her lol
Yeah! Dr Charles (Oliver platt) was in the same movie!
Abusive parents using psych hospitals to validate that the kids are the problem and hide their abuse is pretty common, unfortunately.
I was misdiagnosed as depressed and medicated in a psyche ward, i got worse on the meds so they upped the dose until i tried to kill myself then they discharged me to cover it up, I have bipolar 2 once im now on the right meds and work in medicine
Oh and i would stab myself to keep myself in a hospital over a psyche ward any day
How did this end?
Which doctor did it?
Let me tell you something about psychiatric meds they're not right for everybody