the american planes being maneuverable close up knife fight specialists while the soviet planes being missile busses seems like such an odd role reversal
They made almost everything wrong about MiG-29: 1. Loses in 1C to almost every 4th gen 2. Bleeds its speed faster than any 4th gen in game 3. Doesn't have its MAIN missile (r-73) 4. HAS R-27ER??? Gaijin were definitely smoking something while making mig
As a certified F-15A player (I am bad at game), the only thing I fear about the flanker is the entire missile factory it carries, if I every get past the great wall of R73 however the Flunker really just falls out of the sky in a sustained dogfight its honestly kinda depressing since I also love how the Flanker looks too.
The SU-27 in later models are renowned for their initial turn in which combined with the R73 makes them incredibly dangerous in a merge. The BVR aspect you already covered with the R27ER/ET and until we get Fox 3s in game this is likely the best it is going to get.
The Su-27 we have in game is renowned for its initial turn. Just go and fire up DCS to try it, they've ben refining their Su-27 flight model to perfection over the last 2 decades.
With all these missiles itd be nice if gaijin bundled them when using weapon selection, its really annoying having to switch from 2/10 R-73 to 2/10 R-73 when it should just be 4/10, then 4/10 R-27ER, so on… its a pain having to memorize it for each aircraft when trying to dogfight and select between weapons
Gonna be crazy when we get 12 and 14 missile planes, not looking forward to it but it's inevitable. I wish the missile groups only counted per missile type instead of per wing mount.
It does counts missiles per type. The only problem is Gaijin is too lazy to copy paste another missile as "stock" R-73, so instead of 4/10 R-73, 2/10 R-27ET, 4/10 R-27ER, it goes 2 R-73, 2 R-73, 2 R-27ET and 4 R-27ER
i am sorry that youre dutch but always greatful for your vids, sometimes i feel half decent at this game thanks to all the insight you give and the importance you place on understanding mechanics
They made a bunch of PD modes on advanced aircraft capable of acquiring and maintaining lock on notching targets that are high up or at least look-up. I've noticed this includes static chaff.... ACM even in PD mode is scuffed when there's an abundance of chaff now in ym experience.
My biggest issue so far it that they changed CW Illuminators and radars in PD seemingly randomly lock chaff or missiles go stupid. It's been incredibly frustrating.
I’m glad I’m not crazy. I have insane locking issues sometimes where it will not see ANYTHING but a chaff cloud that’s not even close to Bore sight radar.
@@williewilson2250 and on top of that they made pd better at detecting and holding targets which indirectly makes it more susceptible to chaff. It’s a double edged sword
2:08 you know you have a tws mode and a pd headon and tws headon mode which makes its easier to detect and maintain lock on longer ranges(head-on modes) as long as they are heading towards you
The Flanker’s radar is bugged. I’ve been playing it in sim and the radar barely wants to search targets. Then it easily breaks lock when the target flies straight.
@@mr_confuse and yet people will scream either u are pro Russian bias commie or get good u lack skill or Ruski jet in real life is garbage the WEST is the best :x
@@mr_confuse You shouldnt compare DCS Flanker to WT. One in DCS is not even close to the real life Flanker. Radar is too good, the EWR datalink is busted and flight model is generous too say the least. While in WT at low speeds ita dogshit, when it should be the king.
The radar was hit shit in real life, DCS is a bad comparison. Irl the N001 was rejected several years in a row and delayed Su-27 deliveries by years. It is fundamentally worse than the decade older APG-63
Something must have happened to the radars in top tier.. Like at 07:29 how it just locks something behind him, I can't even tell how many times i've tried locking someone in the SU-27 or MIG-29 the past few weeks and the radar just decides to say "F*ck no I ain't locking that" It is so infuriating
@@norske_ow3440 bruhh. Now on top of r27s already going for chaff from rear aspect they also make it so that the radar itself doesnt even lock people. And now i will have to mix flares and chaff on planes with 60 cms.
personally, in a dogfight (at least in the custom 1v1s ive played), i find doing a cobra when they about 0.5 km behind, reversing them, and then r73ing them is funny af
As far as I'm aware Gaijin have updated the P-39's flight model to make better use of their current flight model system. I don't think that this affects top speeds, climb rate and turn much and is more related to the stability of the aircraft. But it would still be appreciated if Defyn could fly this aircraft out. Maybe he should uptier himself to the 'correct' br of the P-39N in a squad and see how it performs.
1:50 that its almost a "falling leaf" maneuver that the Su-57 can do freely and turn around really fast. The F-22 can also do it but its much slower in it turn.
Su-27 is beautiful and i think that if it had it's historical flight model it would probably be 13.0 but gaijin just made it 12.3 with a boogazooga flight model in order to fit with the new aditions.
@@hemendraravi4787 and r27er is still better than any of the dev server fox3s because it combines the thrust of the first and second stage rockets within the first stage
Hey DEFYN, I love your plane guides, but often struggle with opening strategies in specific BR ranges/planes. E.g. Where do you go in Top Tier? Should you Climb at 9.0+? There is alot of talk of positioning(especially at top tier) and I struggle with getting into an ambush position(I‘m in the F16C). Where do I go, how fast do I go at the start and what do I do once the enemies and friendlies have merged? Often I try to flank but end up getting headonned by 8 guys and get Magics and R73s up my tailpipe. Could you maybe make a guide on early-game presence and positioning? Maybe a few example clips as well.
If I remember correctly, Defyn has talked about it in some of his older videos, where he basically said that he does his own thing and doesn't really wanna reveal it for his own sake
You can climb at around 10.3ish, but I like to hold a medium altitude so I can dive if someone slings a SARH at me. When it comes to top tier, low alt is safer, but if you have a plane with strong long range capabilities you can get away with starting high up
For the most part play a bunch of games and pay attention to what DEOSN’T work, and adjust accordingly to find what works for you. If you are pretty comfortable with bvr, maybe climb a little but make sure you stay below contrail altitude because they paint you for everyone to target. But if you don’t have r27 or aim54 I wouldn’t recommend climbing, especially now that the su27 is here. The general rule of bvr is longest stick wins
its quite annoying for its auto flaps to use for me to counter positive g using negative g. basically with flaps out it doesnt allow you to pull down to create negative gs
to help with your complaint about the dogfight performance, thats actually the desired design of the su 27. the su 27 is a one circle aoa fighter designed with high off boresight missiles in mind. your main goal is to pull way harder than the enemy after a merge and get the first missile shot. this will be even more exaggerated in later variants that add canards. outside of dogfights the su 27 was meant to be similar to the f15, having a slight edge in missile range and slight disadvantage in absolute top speed. importantly, both of these were designed with the goal to never dogfight, but still be capable in one. so the soviets compromised and made a plane thats a one trick pony in a dogfight, and the americans did the american thing and overengineered their plane until they didnt need to compromise.
in air rb f16 pulls more aoa in a 1 circle fight so its stupid , also the su27 is pretty much better than mig29 , are u saying the mig29 was also never meant to dogfight irl ?
highly agree with the ET missiles being insanely good. been lobbing them front aspect at like 13km and by the time it gets to them they dont see it. Fox 3 at home tbh
Took me 330 games in the f-4(UK) to get gripen. How many did it take you in the 23ML? Russia is the only nation i did legit so im curious how fast the ML made it.
i think the reason soviet planes have worse maneuverability than US planes is because of instructor limit, gaijin don't know how to make these "supermaneuverability" work with their game instructor, so they simply limit the control at higher speed, you can see the elevator barely move at high speed
yoo DEFYN the thing about the flare drop, yea you only drop 1 while every other drop 2, but large caliber flares are 4x times better than normal flares, which kinda compensates
Been doing something different in top tier lately instead of me using those planes I like to bring out the su22m3 to 12.3 battles and it’s pretty funny when you get kills.
Ok I just tested it and you were right about the rates itself. Thats my bad. But 1 degree is something you can't really overcome Block 10 and 20 F16 were only 0.9 degree apart and one completely shat on the other. Try actually dueling an f15 that knows what hes doing and the su27 loses every time Maneuverability is more than just rate
Are you going to play AMX Ghibli? I did not see it on the dev server and it looks interesting. It has flares and aim9-l 's at 10.3. It might be capable in air rb.
I do feel like the flight performance on Su-27 is very odd, I don’t know if it’s accurate or just gaijin being gaijin but the nose doesn’t pull where you want and just goes straight down. (I find the rader controls very annoying as a console player especially the skyscraper mode but I prefer the little box or normal radar lock)
@@rxzxqx6982 yeah I won’t be surprised if it’s gaijin…if so we will have to wait. (Was also thinking it was instructor but doesn’t really make sense if you turn it off and still do so idk)
I'd much rather they just gave the western planes AIM-120As isntead of absolutely gimping the Flanker's flight performance and Radar performance for the sake of balance
is it gimped though ? ... its a massive extremely heavy plane (so T/W ratio is and issue) that is designed for high AoA missile fighting with R-73 and long range BVR NOT for sustained gunfigts i dont know what you people expected but high speed drain in maneuvers is exactly how SU-27 SHOULD behave and no its never going to be good at acceleration
@@davidbalogun7569 that would be SU-35 with thrust vectoring NOT Su-27 ... there is zero reason for humongous brick of a plane to have good controllability at low speeds without using TV ... ffs stop going off of a things you see demonstrated at flight shows, SU-27 is NOT some nimble dogfighter, its literally designed to do ONE thing and one thing only - pull AoA from speed to make the other guy overshoot and blast him with the Archer ... simmilar concept to lets say F-18 Hornet or Mirage except both of those re SUBSTANTIALLY lighter planes
Ever heard SU-37 terminator? They might add him next time... With TV and cannard what else do you want to ask? That fighter completely turn gravity off
I don't understand why comments are thinking that US planes are missile busses. Like yes, they do carry lots of missiles, but so do russian planes. Yes, russian planes are made to be manouverable gen 4 fighers, but so are US planes. The only missile bus currently fielded by a major country is the chinese J-20. Eagles fare great in dogfights, Vipers fare even better in dogfights, Hornets have awesome low speed nose authority (aka do great in dogfights), The f-14 is soort of a missile bus but still has great dogfighting ability with its wings out for its age. Like someone explain to me why a russian plane should be more manouverable at all aspects than an american plane. No, Flankers are for 1 circles, Eagles are for 2 circles. That's how its always been.
HMD on console is very frustrating almost pointless unless I’m using the yaw axis but I’ll g lock and or haft to flare while pressing three different buttons at the same time not including launching missiles and switching on off seeker head when locked on flares
since i only use the rectangular radar but i might want to start to use the normal one, i was wondering what are those big green line that appears when he locks someone
The Su-27 was done as dirty if not worse so than the SMT was. They nerfed the Oswalds efficiency number by ~33% while buffing the F-15's by more than that. Currently the 27's numbers are ~0.41 meaning all ti literally does is bleed speed, anything you do it bleeds. Meanwhile actual scientific calculations done on it have the Oswalds efficiency numbers ~0.71. This plane is hella underperforming on energy retention that it is actually unreal how badly they fucked it over. Meanwhile US planes are STILL overperforming after months (UFO-16) and now they buffed the F-15 to be pulling over 4 degrees/sec of AoA than it should be. Russian Bias am I right?
the american planes being maneuverable close up knife fight specialists while the soviet planes being missile busses seems like such an odd role reversal
no kidding changed up top tier much.
Flanker should be able to turn well even at low speed.
They made almost everything wrong about MiG-29:
1. Loses in 1C to almost every 4th gen
2. Bleeds its speed faster than any 4th gen in game
3. Doesn't have its MAIN missile (r-73)
4. HAS R-27ER???
Gaijin were definitely smoking something while making mig
And apparently same goes for flanker...
@@-..----.--.-... uhhhh RuSsIaN bIaS 😭😭😭😭🤬🤬🤬
This will strongly affect this year's fishing season.
How will this affect the Trout population?
@@stuff1044how will this affect lebron's legacy?
@@tegjwokjohn1839 how will this affect the next hurricane season's prediction?
@@rendezvous-wtglobul waming
@@rendezvous-wt How will this effect the future moon cycles
As a certified F-15A player (I am bad at game), the only thing I fear about the flanker is the entire missile factory it carries, if I every get past the great wall of R73 however the Flunker really just falls out of the sky in a sustained dogfight its honestly kinda depressing since I also love how the Flanker looks too.
If it didn't get it's FM artificially nerfed 4 times it'd be aight
@@jaiiii116 Maybe if the Flanker ate more cheeseburgers it would be able to match the mighty eagle 🦅🦅💪💪
@@Hazey652 borgir?
@@Hazey652Flanker ate too much booterbrod, now it can't hold itself in the sky...
@@jaiiii116 The thing is, it shouldn't be turning with any of the american fighters sustained in the first place, but i admit that its not great.
Thanks man, I don't get presents but I appreciate the "sincere" ER shoved into my cockpit ;)
The SU-27 in later models are renowned for their initial turn in which combined with the R73 makes them incredibly dangerous in a merge. The BVR aspect you already covered with the R27ER/ET and until we get Fox 3s in game this is likely the best it is going to get.
The Su-27 we have in game is renowned for its initial turn. Just go and fire up DCS to try it, they've ben refining their Su-27 flight model to perfection over the last 2 decades.
Shoutout from Indonesia, love this content for the entertainment, education, and shoutout with the Indonesian Air Force livery
I Love how good at the game you are you never crash or die in any of your games.
SOUNDS LIKE U DONT KNOW JOE THEN
The only player to not die in the history of war thunder
@@k_runwt who the hell is Steve Jobs?
@@CatWithAOpinion?
He does. He just doesn't always show that part although he does talk about it.
this man has never died in air rb
One of the pilots of all time
@@ercanyesiltasTruly
I too want to learn how to fly into the next match, Defyn is just a dimension-travelling secret agent
1:37 those cuts are just genuinely made
Ah yes, the Gesushi 30mm gun
western europeans when slavic languages:
the gshusshy is a meme dervied from bussy :^)
@@DEFYN BUSSSS????
@@DEFYNdo not the gun
I love that TNI-AU Su-27 skin looks Dope af
With all these missiles itd be nice if gaijin bundled them when using weapon selection, its really annoying having to switch from 2/10 R-73 to 2/10 R-73 when it should just be 4/10, then 4/10 R-27ER, so on… its a pain having to memorize it for each aircraft when trying to dogfight and select between weapons
All because they are don’t want to rename “default” missiles in the files
Man the way you fly is very nice. Honestly I learn a lot watching your films. Thx for that
Fun fact: Su-27 is 22m in length, just as B-17 heavy bomber.
Tbf, F-105 in conventional load is as much as B-24
Gonna be crazy when we get 12 and 14 missile planes, not looking forward to it but it's inevitable. I wish the missile groups only counted per missile type instead of per wing mount.
It does counts missiles per type. The only problem is Gaijin is too lazy to copy paste another missile as "stock" R-73, so instead of 4/10 R-73, 2/10 R-27ET, 4/10 R-27ER, it goes 2 R-73, 2 R-73, 2 R-27ET and 4 R-27ER
@@TheNicestPigI literally have no clue what your trying to say what does this mean ?
@@TheNicestPigit does but it doesnt
@@XxXchrisXxX78source code stuff
i am sorry that youre dutch but always greatful for your vids, sometimes i feel half decent at this game thanks to all the insight you give and the importance you place on understanding mechanics
As an indonesian I am surprised to see the Indonesian Air force roundel on your SU27. Very cool to see and I appreciate it :)
Be honest laa TNI-AU skin looks beautiful
Maybe he's playing the anti-Estonian ;-)
@@jamesrowlands8971we actually dont hate estonia that much we kind of hate china and and the west(sometimes)
@@extremelyjuicy6034 oh you don't know the meme?
@@jamesrowlands8971 ik tho they only argue it on twitter
A dutch person using an Indonesian camo on a russian plane
Love it
Dutch "people"
Indonesia was dutch colony and russian flag was copied from the dutch one by Peter the great
@@qltcn it used to be dutch colony but they Regain independent by themself.
The irony
They made a bunch of PD modes on advanced aircraft capable of acquiring and maintaining lock on notching targets that are high up or at least look-up. I've noticed this includes static chaff.... ACM even in PD mode is scuffed when there's an abundance of chaff now in ym experience.
6:05 damn, looks very cinematic
My biggest issue so far it that they changed CW Illuminators and radars in PD seemingly randomly lock chaff or missiles go stupid. It's been incredibly frustrating.
I’m glad I’m not crazy. I have insane locking issues sometimes where it will not see ANYTHING but a chaff cloud that’s not even close to Bore sight radar.
They apparently made it so that chaff has a bit more momentum so it's not absolutely useless on side aspect anymore
@@williewilson2250 and on top of that they made pd better at detecting and holding targets which indirectly makes it more susceptible to chaff. It’s a double edged sword
Damn, Indonesian Airforce camo, didnt expect to see it 🔥 🔥
the 3:57 caught me offguard ngl
2:08 you know you have a tws mode and a pd headon and tws headon mode which makes its easier to detect and maintain lock on longer ranges(head-on modes) as long as they are heading towards you
9:57 a true "The missile know where it is" moment
The Flanker’s radar is bugged. I’ve been playing it in sim and the radar barely wants to search targets. Then it easily breaks lock when the target flies straight.
the n001 is completely handycaped
yea compared to my dcs flanker the wt one is straight up garbo
@@mr_confuse and yet people will scream either u are pro Russian bias commie or get good u lack skill or Ruski jet in real life is garbage the WEST is the best :x
@@mr_confuse
You shouldnt compare DCS Flanker to WT. One in DCS is not even close to the real life Flanker.
Radar is too good, the EWR datalink is busted and flight model is generous too say the least.
While in WT at low speeds ita dogshit, when it should be the king.
The radar was hit shit in real life, DCS is a bad comparison.
Irl the N001 was rejected several years in a row and delayed Su-27 deliveries by years. It is fundamentally worse than the decade older APG-63
OMG, my nation as the decal for the Su-27. Thx, I was really hoping to see that 😊
Gotta love that Indonesian Air Force skin on the Flanker
Defyn never fails to fill me up
I’m so full mmmmmmmhh
Hmm? 🤨
Ayo?
🧐
With joy, RIGHT? 😨
Something must have happened to the radars in top tier.. Like at 07:29 how it just locks something behind him, I can't even tell how many times i've tried locking someone in the SU-27 or MIG-29 the past few weeks and the radar just decides to say "F*ck no I ain't locking that"
It is so infuriating
that's chaff
@@DEFYN Yes I saw it afterwards but then they must have buffed the hell out of chaffs, they were unusable before but now my radar never locks
@@DEFYN how does PD lock chaff?
@@goliath3413 supposedly chaff retains some inertia now
@@norske_ow3440 bruhh. Now on top of r27s already going for chaff from rear aspect they also make it so that the radar itself doesnt even lock people. And now i will have to mix flares and chaff on planes with 60 cms.
personally, in a dogfight (at least in the custom 1v1s ive played), i find doing a cobra when they about 0.5 km behind, reversing them, and then r73ing them is funny af
I do this all the time in the f14b it always works lol
might work in a 1v1, but in an Air RB lobby that is just asking to get 3rd partied even harder
@@jonleg12312 no if you’re always looking around ;) but I agree air rb for 3rd parties is so toxic you can never get a good 1v1 anymore
@@Lazzah101 you still can't counter anything if you're going 400 km/h
@@jonleg12312 that’s when you disengage and manoeuvre
u ARE THE BEST, TNX FOR HELPING US!!!!
Oh god the DCS player horde is coming, they’re gonna tell me exactly how many circles I need to get a 10kd
Dutch guy using Indonesian air force camo. Now that's what I'd call historically accurate.
You mean the camo of the Dutch East Indies?
the fuck is blud yapping about @@kerotomas1
@@kerotomas1 Yeah, somebody didn't study his history
@@kerotomas1 too historically accurate, let's step back a lil bit, don't wanna fight with the bambu runcing all over again now.
Thank you for including the clip I was in (Lt_Acheron) it was a good game there
didn't know the Su-27 was chill like that
You probably haven't heard anything about the Su-35s at all, that's a beast.
@@ПавелД-е4ф doesn't sound very chill ngl
@@ПавелД-е4фwhat’s the su35s done in rl?
@@thyunholysinner5389 Shot down multiple MiG-29s/Su-25s Su-27s in air to air combat, it has been shot
Hey Defyn, apparently the P-39 had it's flight model completely overhauled with the Air Superiority update. Do you have any plans of flying it out?
As far as I'm aware Gaijin have updated the P-39's flight model to make better use of their current flight model system.
I don't think that this affects top speeds, climb rate and turn much and is more related to the stability of the aircraft.
But it would still be appreciated if Defyn could fly this aircraft out. Maybe he should uptier himself to the 'correct' br of the P-39N in a squad and see how it performs.
1:50 that its almost a "falling leaf" maneuver that the Su-57 can do freely and turn around really fast. The F-22 can also do it but its much slower in it turn.
In the aerobatic world that maneuver is called an elevator if you aren’t turning, or a flat spin if you are well… spinning😉
Su-27 is beautiful and i think that if it had it's historical flight model it would probably be 13.0 but gaijin just made it 12.3 with a boogazooga flight model in order to fit with the new aditions.
The U.S. countered the Su27 IRL with Aim-120s anyways so it’s in a weird spot rn fighting AIM-7Misses
@@SMJ495 aim120 was countered with r77 only 3 years later so whats ur point. we are going to get those in the next patch anyways
@@hemendraravi4787 and r27er is still better than any of the dev server fox3s because it combines the thrust of the first and second stage rockets within the first stage
@@kingghidorah8106 nope , r27er is simply superior kinematically.
@@hemendraravi4787 that's literally what gives the edge in a missile engagement: speed advantage.
My only issue with HMD and ACM is the range is 10km.. On alot of other top tier jets it's 19km
as a F16 user the 19km ACM NEVER locks until im atleast 9-8KM from a opponent so its not bad at all honestly
I have to say that the thumbnail on this video is exceptional
This thing is a HMD directing, angle of attack fighter. Not an energy fighter cus its huge and quick to lose speed.
this plane is like a late 90s -mid 2000's MMA heavyweight : roided up, extremely large and suprisingly agile freakshows that tires wayy too easily
defyn rocking the indonesian air force skin
what a great war thunder content creator. love your video man keep it up.🗣️🔥
A full team of su27s has 160 missiles at their disposal, gaijin needs to lower the team count to at least 10 or 8
Hey DEFYN,
I love your plane guides, but often struggle with opening strategies in specific BR ranges/planes. E.g. Where do you go in Top Tier? Should you Climb at 9.0+?
There is alot of talk of positioning(especially at top tier) and I struggle with getting into an ambush position(I‘m in the F16C). Where do I go, how fast do I go at the start and what do I do once the enemies and friendlies have merged? Often I try to flank but end up getting headonned by 8 guys and get Magics and R73s up my tailpipe. Could you maybe make a guide on early-game presence and positioning? Maybe a few example clips as well.
If I remember correctly, Defyn has talked about it in some of his older videos, where he basically said that he does his own thing and doesn't really wanna reveal it for his own sake
You can climb at around 10.3ish, but I like to hold a medium altitude so I can dive if someone slings a SARH at me.
When it comes to top tier, low alt is safer, but if you have a plane with strong long range capabilities you can get away with starting high up
For the most part play a bunch of games and pay attention to what DEOSN’T work, and adjust accordingly to find what works for you. If you are pretty comfortable with bvr, maybe climb a little but make sure you stay below contrail altitude because they paint you for everyone to target. But if you don’t have r27 or aim54 I wouldn’t recommend climbing, especially now that the su27 is here. The general rule of bvr is longest stick wins
This plane brought back memories of Battlefield 3, next year it is certain that the F18 super hornet will arrive
I like of your playstyle on doing it, and i like it when you using Indonesian Camo for the SU 27☺
Oh hey look, it's me 0:50
Very epic
its quite annoying for its auto flaps to use for me to counter positive g using negative g. basically with flaps out it doesnt allow you to pull down to create negative gs
defynh trying his best not to joke about planes: impossible.
Based Indonesian cameuflage
This man is the Teacher.
1:35 ouch I can’t believe the footage got corrupted of you managing to fly back and repair then wiping the whole enemy team
to help with your complaint about the dogfight performance, thats actually the desired design of the su 27.
the su 27 is a one circle aoa fighter designed with high off boresight missiles in mind. your main goal is to pull way harder than the enemy after a merge and get the first missile shot.
this will be even more exaggerated in later variants that add canards. outside of dogfights the su 27 was meant to be similar to the f15, having a slight edge in missile range and slight disadvantage in absolute top speed. importantly, both of these were designed with the goal to never dogfight, but still be capable in one. so the soviets compromised and made a plane thats a one trick pony in a dogfight, and the americans did the american thing and overengineered their plane until they didnt need to compromise.
in air rb f16 pulls more aoa in a 1 circle fight so its stupid , also the su27 is pretty much better than mig29 , are u saying the mig29 was also never meant to dogfight irl ?
highly agree with the ET missiles being insanely good. been lobbing them front aspect at like 13km and by the time it gets to them they dont see it. Fox 3 at home tbh
1:37 ummm wtf just happened 🤣🤣🤣
Grinding the tree with the m23 rn researching the su-9 cant wait for this haha
Took me 330 games in the f-4(UK) to get gripen. How many did it take you in the 23ML? Russia is the only nation i did legit so im curious how fast the ML made it.
My favorite looking plane in history
7:30 good doggie
Beatiful thumbnail
So that's why I kinda struggle when going up close and personnal with the su27 because I'm used to dogfight aggressively when I play the mirage 2000
i think the reason soviet planes have worse maneuverability than US planes is because of instructor limit, gaijin don't know how to make these "supermaneuverability" work with their game instructor, so they simply limit the control at higher speed, you can see the elevator barely move at high speed
WOOOW INDONESIA 🇮🇩🇮🇩 CAMO 🤯🤯🤯🤯
Ps. Hello From Indonesia
i would kill to get to do some customs with you man, and yeah they seriously gimped the su27
What do you guys think is the better fighter now the mig 29smt or the su27 ?
At 3:01 you have a ground target locked or marked or something? What command is that to do that
Such a shame they fucked FM of the Flanker, once you empty 2 fuel tanks and get rid of some missiles, it should be absolute low speed monster
nice prevew comrade ;) (n' vid too ofc)
yoo DEFYN the thing about the flare drop, yea you only drop 1 while every other drop 2, but large caliber flares are 4x times better than normal flares, which kinda compensates
4:02 "HMD and my benis..." Nani?
we need to be careful in heado
you should make a video on your control setup im struggling with mine the higher up im getting
Been doing something different in top tier lately instead of me using those planes I like to bring out the su22m3 to 12.3 battles and it’s pretty funny when you get kills.
i like how he trying to turn at 1200km\h and talking about "LOW MANEURABILITY"
Its worse at high speed and worse at medium to low speed than the f16 and f15
So yes
@@DEFYN in rate fight yes, but su27 can do sustain rait like 19degrees per second and f15 like 20.... so difference is minimal
You are comparing optimal Su27 sustain vs F15 holding full elevator
And the F15 is still better
Kinda proves the point
@@DEFYN max sustain vs max sustain. 1 degree per second at optimal sleed is nothing
Ok I just tested it and you were right about the rates itself. Thats my bad. But 1 degree is something you can't really overcome
Block 10 and 20 F16 were only 0.9 degree apart and one completely shat on the other.
Try actually dueling an f15 that knows what hes doing and the su27 loses every time
Maneuverability is more than just rate
Are you going to play AMX Ghibli? I did not see it on the dev server and it looks interesting. It has flares and aim9-l 's at 10.3. It might be capable in air rb.
yeah this sunday, vid is done
man that thumbnail singlehandedly made me click the like button
How do u turn on TRK PD? I only able to turn on SRC PD, and it doesn't track planes at long distance like yours does, not sure what im doing wrong.
I do feel like the flight performance on Su-27 is very odd, I don’t know if it’s accurate or just gaijin being gaijin but the nose doesn’t pull where you want and just goes straight down. (I find the rader controls very annoying as a console player especially the skyscraper mode but I prefer the little box or normal radar lock)
it must be gaijin doing, or the instructor stupidity, you can see how little the elevator turns at high speed
@@rxzxqx6982 yeah I won’t be surprised if it’s gaijin…if so we will have to wait. (Was also thinking it was instructor but doesn’t really make sense if you turn it off and still do so idk)
I'd much rather they just gave the western planes AIM-120As isntead of absolutely gimping the Flanker's flight performance and Radar performance for the sake of balance
is it gimped though ? ... its a massive extremely heavy plane (so T/W ratio is and issue) that is designed for high AoA missile fighting with R-73 and long range BVR NOT for sustained gunfigts
i dont know what you people expected but high speed drain in maneuvers is exactly how SU-27 SHOULD behave and no its never going to be good at acceleration
It is gimped, Su-27 is more maneuverable than F-15 in dogfights and low speed fights, but in game situation is reversed
@@Asghaad it should still have good control and AoA at low speeds, in the game below 700 and you're basically flying a bomber
@@Asghaadit’s wing surface area is huge so just because it’s huge doesn’t mean it’s a brick
@@davidbalogun7569 that would be SU-35 with thrust vectoring NOT Su-27 ... there is zero reason for humongous brick of a plane to have good controllability at low speeds without using TV ...
ffs stop going off of a things you see demonstrated at flight shows, SU-27 is NOT some nimble dogfighter, its literally designed to do ONE thing and one thing only - pull AoA from speed to make the other guy overshoot and blast him with the Archer ...
simmilar concept to lets say F-18 Hornet or Mirage except both of those re SUBSTANTIALLY lighter planes
Sick camo on the su-27
1:34 seconds in 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I recently unlocked, bought and crewed the f15a havent played it yet. Watching this definitely shouldn't cause me anxiety
I have the feeling that my chaff are rarely working
Are you gonna make a video about j11?
yea
So what plane are they gonna aim to release next year? I’m assuming f18 will be out by then. Maybe B1B after f111?
Aim120 are supposed to come first or second major patch of next year, and I would venture to guess f/a18 arrives at the same time
If the B-1B gets added, cruise missiles likely won't be out of the question. F-18 will probably be another F-16A situation.
Energy is indeed stored in the balls
Bro, I don't know why but this thumbnail meme always makes me laugh 😂😂
I have a feeling that they will add SU 30 and the turning radius will be a beast
I feel like it would be a little unbalanced, the su 30 is too advanced for now, but I can’t wait until it’s added it’s my fav jet
Ever heard SU-37 terminator?
They might add him next time...
With TV and cannard what else do you want to ask? That fighter completely turn gravity off
I don't understand why comments are thinking that US planes are missile busses. Like yes, they do carry lots of missiles, but so do russian planes. Yes, russian planes are made to be manouverable gen 4 fighers, but so are US planes. The only missile bus currently fielded by a major country is the chinese J-20. Eagles fare great in dogfights, Vipers fare even better in dogfights, Hornets have awesome low speed nose authority (aka do great in dogfights), The f-14 is soort of a missile bus but still has great dogfighting ability with its wings out for its age.
Like someone explain to me why a russian plane should be more manouverable at all aspects than an american plane. No, Flankers are for 1 circles, Eagles are for 2 circles. That's how its always been.
what are you talking about
HMD on console is very frustrating almost pointless unless I’m using the yaw axis but I’ll g lock and or haft to flare while pressing three different buttons at the same time not including launching missiles and switching on off seeker head when locked on flares
3:50, did your missile blow up both his plane and his missile at the same time?
since i only use the rectangular radar but i might want to start to use the normal one, i was wondering what are those big green line that appears when he locks someone
They are ranges estimates for your weaponry, in between the lines is normal operating range but it does not mean you are guaranteed a kill
Last gripen guy has a very sus name
The internal gun is implemented wrong in WT
HDM vs HMS ? how do u turn on HDM mode on su 27?
Getting the feeling the FM is gimped by instructor. Don’t have the plane for myself to prove it tho :/
The Su-27 was done as dirty if not worse so than the SMT was. They nerfed the Oswalds efficiency number by ~33% while buffing the F-15's by more than that. Currently the 27's numbers are ~0.41 meaning all ti literally does is bleed speed, anything you do it bleeds. Meanwhile actual scientific calculations done on it have the Oswalds efficiency numbers ~0.71. This plane is hella underperforming on energy retention that it is actually unreal how badly they fucked it over. Meanwhile US planes are STILL overperforming after months (UFO-16) and now they buffed the F-15 to be pulling over 4 degrees/sec of AoA than it should be. Russian Bias am I right?
yea this thing can't do anything late game
I hope they fix the soviet planes in terms of energy retention....