@@mattkrumm8141Whats wrong with a van? You can bolt down your tool boxes in the back and they have way more room than a truck for storage. A lot of mobile guys I know operate in a van
@@mattkrumm8141inside the van safe from assholes lol. Unless you haul big stuff or go off road a tuck is kind of unnecessary, vans have more room for your tools inside, where they're safer and shit doesn't get wet if it rains.
@@pvtghost117The reality most truck guys don't want to hear is that vans are more practical than trucks for the majority of use cases. Don't get me wrong, they're nowhere near as fun, but they just make sense.
I had a lug on my old truck that wouldn't break with a 4-way. It wouldn't even break with my pneumatic impact! What *did* break it, eventually, was a 36" breaker bar--but not until my 3/4" socket split in two and I had to switch to the 19mm socket. Glad to be rid of that truck.
Pull up on one end,and down with your foot on the other end...It's always worked for me. I can put enough force on a 4-way that way,that I've snapped a couple,and bent a lot more.
4 ways are great. A lever for each arm to grab a hold of, and once the lug is cracked loose you can give them a good spin and they'll run the nut all the way off/on. If you size it right, you have a wrench for your car/truck and your trailer if you're towing. Just need to buy a good quality one in the right sizes...
Well, if you don't jack the car up 1st, you can put that jack under the opposite end for support and bounce on the t-section to get those stubborn lug nuts to break loose...get em loose then jack up the car and finish the job.
@@diverdave4056if you use one of these right you can fully tighten a lug bolt/nut in like 5 seconds, just let the momentum spin the tool in your hand to snug it up, then just tighten. If you don't have access to an impact for whatever reason, these are the next best thing with how quickly you can change the wheels.
@@GTAmaniac1 BUT if the lug nut is stuck on tight... my long handle socket wrench makes it easier to break it loose . I do know that you can spin the lugs on and off fast with a wrench like he is showing
@@diverdave4056 attaching a cheater isn't too hard, plus if you prop up the end opposite of the one on the bolt/nut it's a lot more stable than a breaker bar and has 0 chance of slipping off... Unlike normal sockets
@@diverdave4056if it is stuck tight you put your foot on the other side of the 4 way and push with your leg and pull with your arms unless your socket wrench is a 4 ft bar the 4 way will get of stuck nuts better
The lesson is that if someone pulls up to work on your car and the first thing they say is "I didn't really bring any tools" it's time to just take the keys back and go to the dealer. Youre better off getting fucked the right way. 🤣🤣
All you got to do is find the four-way that fits your vehicle I think they're super handy cuz you can use your foot along with your hand to help break those lug nuts loose whenever the idiot at the tire shop uses too much air pressure and lock some things on
Yeah if your friend who says he can help cant even get your lugs off, call a mechanic. With the exception if you lost a stupid design wheelkey. Then things might get ugly.
Dont like 4 way, broke one in center with the 17mm on a vw beetle. And made a corkscrew out of a new. Not all are trustworthy. I have never seen a good one. To short to get any lewerage on a stuck wheelbolt or nut.
11/16th lug nuts? Ford Escort, Geo Metro, Chevy Cavalier, Dodge Colt, Honda CVCC (Later called the Civic)... Pretty much anything that mounted either a 12 or 13 inch tire all the way up to around 1995... In dudes defense, I'm guessing he's about 30 years old and most of these were relegated to the recycle yards before he learned to ride a bike. Some are still out there though. Oh! Yeah! Just remembered... ATVs (Razor / quad bike)
Not quite right... I've owned multiple Ford escorts and a Cavalier and they all used a 3/4 or 19mm socket for the lug nuts. Maybe some of the old GM vehicles with 7/16 studs used that size socket.
@nunyabidness674 mid 1983 was when the escort switched from 1/2 inch studs to 12mm and they stayed 12mm through the end of production with the Mazda platforms. The front end of the Escort was reworked for the 1984 model year to share many parts with the upcoming Ford Tempo. I haven't owned one with 1/2 inch studs so I can't say for sure, however I have never seen a 1/2 inch lugnut with 11/16 hex. I won't say it's impossible but definitely sounds weird!
@@Krankie_V it was an 12mm stud and a 17mm lug nut. The nuts were not the castled design (Which is what was adopted for appearance purposes), they were just a grade 4 tapered nut bout 14mm tall (Just a little shorter than 9/16ths) I only remembered the escorts specifically because I used that particular lug socket for the first time on my air gun. The cavalier had a beauty nut as well, and those were a 17mm when you took the caps off like you were supposed to (Stupid chromed tin sleeve)
most people, yes. but personally i am 5'10" 140lbs so i don't have much weight, or mass, to drop into it like most people do, and i am extremely strong in my upper body so lifting is better for me
The folding one from Harbor Freight is nice, takes up little space folded, and has 17, 19, 21, and 22mm, which covers almost all passenger car/light truck metric lug nut/bolt sizes. And it's only $16.
I've actually got a "full-size" 4 way w those sizes. In other words, not a harbor freight collapsible one. Bought it in approximately 2002 when I drove for a local tow company. Have kept it in my truck box ever since. It has worked on everything I've ever needed.
I guarantee you've warped rotors. Lug nut torque is one of the most important torque specs you should follow. Use a torque wrench, don't be a hack unless you're stuck with a flat.
@@COBRO98 All you gotta do is be smarter than your tools. Been doing it the same way for 25 years, never had an issue. I also get 50,000+ miles from a set of pads. Take care of your machine, and it will take care of you.
I saw you and I am respecting the fact that you have somebody that supports you and helping you do your videos that is a blessing in itself when you have the passion and the education to give off the information and have somebody to hold the cell phone for you while you make your positive introduction of common sense to society about blue collar industry tips in the automotive industry I can't even tell you how much respect I have for this video
Besides the 4 way , I carry a pipe . It's on the side of the road that after an inspection , someone put 150 lbs. + on it . I STILL see guys in tire shops overtighten clockwise - NOT using a star pattern ! DUH !
I’ve been a mechanic for a little while, and so is my father. We have all my three older brothers included carried four-way lug wrenches. Where I live I hardly ever see someone without one. Never leave the house without a four-way.
DAMN that 10mm... I literally have 5 full on 150+ piece socket sets (Most were gifts) and I own all of 1 10mm socket. I spray painted it that Kawasaki radioactive green just so I can find the little plick...
Imagine needing a true 1” and having a 25mm socket. Or needing a 25mm socket and having a 1”. Having it a little oversized when applying a lot of force can easily make an easy job much harder. Close doesn’t always work.
Been a mechanic for 30ish years in shops, and I couldn't agree more. YES, a lot of SAE and metric sizes are hair fine close, but there's times when you HAVE TO have the correct size and "close enough" won't cut it!
@@ridgerunner106 if it’s 25mm that you need and it’s actually a 1” socket, that would work. But if you need the 1” but the socket is 25mm, there’s a good chance it won’t work. That 0.4mm that you’re shy, could be the difference and it won’t fit on to the lug nut or whatever kind of nut. So sometimes close works but not always. I would imagine if it says both 1” and 25mm, they would make it 1” but who knows
"Didnt bring any tools"...bud, it looks and sounds like you dont do much work on vehicles. Any mechanic would show up with tools even if the tools he needed were already there and available.
@@skylined5534 dude has tools, but didn't bring any...this is probably in his own driveway. This is either a promo or sponsored video. OEM Tools isn't sold at any auto parts store. It's sold on Amazon. Also, those lugs are already loosened because these things aren't exactly strong. They are meant to be used for cars and applications where the lugs are torqued to less than 100 ftlbs.
@@Deathbomb9It's funny to me how your taking the time to comment on his video making assumptions, but haven't took the same time to click on his channel and check out his other videos.. The guy is clearly a mechanic from the hundred other video's of him working on vehicle's on his channel. You would have know that if you checked it out before making a comment... 😂
What do you think crossover SUV means? A Lexus GX is basically a Land Cruiser, which will drive circles around any Suburban or Expedition. It’s common to refer to body-on-frame vehicles as trucks.
My go-to is an ancient Ken Tool cross wrench. When I googled them, they're still in business . My tip: wrap a piece of colored tape around the end (I matched my car's color) that way you don't have to fumble finding the right sized end. The only time it doesn't work for me is when some idiot at a shop wayyyy over-tightens a lug nut.
@@Annoyingirl221which are 22? Only ever seen 17 and 19 i think. Talking euro origin brands, i know ford transits can be 21 i think. Smart cars are possibly smaller, but only worked on 1 in maybe 5 years so not sure.
You mean the super crappy lug wrench that is stamped out of sheet metal? The jack handle doubles as the handle for the lug wrench! Real quality stuff!!!
These are primarily for road emergencies however they work fine for home tire repairs and rotation . I have one in all of my cars . I stopped one time to help with a flat tire and the factory lug wrench did not fit the lugs that were on the car ( they had aftermarket wheels and tires ) but the 4 way worked to remove the wheel ! Got them on their way . Harbor freight sells them for about $10 or 12 bucks . It’s a must for taking trips !……
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"Until the day you have a flat tire, it's good to be reminded what works and doesn't. Especially if you've purchased a used vehicle, how many people actually check out the spare tire, jacks and tire wrenches?" THANK YOU for the tips!
@@cousinjohncarstuff4568 True. I drove my Dodge Dakota with no spare from '06 thru 2019 with no problems but I knew better too. Minnesota dumps tons of road salt in the winter, and underneath my rusty box was supposed to go a spare.
That OEM Tools 4-way looks like it has a neat feature. Since the chrome bar slides completely out, you can slide it lengthwise inside of the green bar and it will take up less room for storage.
way faster than a breaker bar cause you can spin it to remove/install the wheel nuts. You will only hit yourself in the knee once and remember to keep it out of the way every time after
They are much cheaper than carrying an impact, and they offer much better leverage than the common janky little lug wrench that comes with most jacks these days. I carry one specifically to help other people in the side of the road with their flat tires, which happens several times a year.
I was looking for this!! Hahaha I thought he the same! Most mechanics learn to use your weight in this situations then strength! Work smarter not harder
These are very handy. If I dont want to use my impact, I break nuts loose with a breaker bar, then use my 4way to quickly remove the lug nuts and install in reverse order.
Ugh I’m a mechanic and I use 4 way lug wrench all the time. It stays in my truck. Also have a 1/2 impact but if the battery is dead or I don’t feel like fighting the lug nut out of the socket. 4 way never gets nuts stuck and is only extra minute or two on a full size truck. Semi work and you need the impact. Torque on those is set to 50 lbs under stripping the studs out.
A mechanic makes sure we have the correct socket, the spare is inflated, and the jack works. Also always have a flashlight. The rest of you can wait for a tow.
Procedure for a flat: call AAA. Wait an hour. Call again. Wait another hour. Call again, being a bit more "pursuasive." Wait another half hour. Change the tire yourself, cancel the AAA call, and go home wishing you'd just changed it in the first place. Where I am, AAA is worse than useless, but no one else seems to provide a comparable roadside "assistance" package. At least hypothetically helpful.
@iantrofimov6416 Personally one, slid onto a curb on ice. Yeah slime sucks, I'm sure you've experienced that on the tire machine! Have come across many on the job.
Every farmer I ever knew had an X-wrench behind almost every seat… Truck, Tractor etc. The truck with the tools could be miles away from where the damned tire goes flat. No one wants to walk. I lost my X-Wrench once… It turned out to become a very bad day.
Both my father and grandfather were mechanics and always had 4-ways in all their vehicles. I have keep up the practice in my own vehicles. They have never let me down.
use these all the time. if you own trailers and such one of these will usually fit your truck and every trailer lug size also your 4 wheeler and tractor and so on. and its a breaker bar that lets you really spin em off.
I recently got a flat while driving halfway across the US. So glad I had my 1/2-in impact in the trunk with a 1/2-in socket set. Used it on the lug nuts and the scissor jack. Took maybe a minute to Jack up the car, take the flat off, and put the spare on. All on the side of the interstate.
What mechanic shows up to work on a car with hardly any tools. Every mechanic I know including myself carry tools with them at all time. I even threw my factory jack away and carry a 3 ton floor jack. My vehicle is a shop on wheels.
I remember in 80’s watching my grandfather change a tire on his 70 Impala. Man he’d get that 4 way lug wrench spinning like 100 mph. It was an art to it.
The big one is for trucks (not the pick up type). Most mechanics that work on wheels will have one of these, though a cordless impact wrench is almost mandatory these days. That last tool is pretty cool. I love the fact it'll break in two for storage. I'll be looking for one when I get off here. 👍
The fourway wrench is fine. Of course I always keep a correct one in each vehicle. They work like a T-handle. Grip firm on each end of the "T", engage your core and square up, loosen the bolt by simply leaning left. If a bolt is stubborn, support the fourway wrench with a jack stand and press with your foot. When loosened, spin off the rest of the thread like you would with a typical T-handle balance.
Try the correct technique. Put the 4-way on the lug nut so that the cross bar is level or slightly turned clockwise. Grab the ends with each hand, lock the elbows, and shift your body weight to the left. That way you are pulling up on the right and pushing down on the left for twice the torque. After you jack the vehicle up off the ground and have the room, give the 4-way a good spin and you can spin the nut on or off nearly as fast as an impact.
Ideal tool to us is a straight handle breaker bar. Min 24" 1/2" drive. Once nuts are cracked, switch to 1/2" drive ratchet. Then use ratchet to set nuts and torq with breaker bar
I have a truck and 2 trailers. None have the same size lug nuts. Most 4-ways I looked at would only cover 1 or the other trailer. So I bought a breaker bar and 3 individual sockets.
I've always given stubborn lug-nuts a quick lil "snug" to the right.... Just to break the seal, then easily loosen to the left. Works like a charm, you're welcome!
I worked in a tire shop where we used 4 ways, and a hydraulic jack, a bead breaker, and spoons. We had two full compressor tanks, and the power was out. It was a Peugeot. The way to get it accomplished is to get the guys to see who can change the tires on wheels without a center hole, and accomplish it first. Then, if you win, you can go on long break first. The powers out anyway. Hopefully the snows are already on your car. Otherwise, you're doing your own, then going on break. It's ok, we are only working till 10:30 pm. And it's uphill both ways.
That’s the type I used, in metric. Why dig out the impact when that tool is so handy. It packs up into itself and is a great kit to bring in the vehicle. The best part of the 4-way is how it spins. It makes work fast, and gives you the tactile sensory, where an impact could increase your chances of cross threading and stripping. I went from impact down to this tool. Now, I do follow up with a torque wrench to be sure of accuracy.
harbor freight long handle flexible head breaker bars are super tool i have used one with a pipe slid over the breaker bar and the bar bent and after cracking the truck frame hold down U bolt for the freight box. The breaker bar returned to its original shape . one half-inch breaker bar
I was a mechanic for a few years, and I DEFINITELY have one of these in my Lexus. You just have to make sure that the tool you buy, fits your lug nuts. I’ve used it to change a flat tire on the side of the road before…..
That "side if you want" is to make it a t handle for the other two sizes just like how you were using to loosen the nuts. Also I prefer this "collapsible" four way because in comes in handy for self defense (two makeshift batons).
Unless your car has an aftermarket suspension or a lift kit. You dont really have to rotate them. I dont ever rotate them. Just keep them filled up, and use nitrogen to fill your tires, oxygen in the air expands and contracts in changing weather, nitrogen doesnt. Givin your driving a stock vehicle. You should try it out, you might find your wasting a lot of time and energy.
The 7/8 will work on my Silverado truck but is about a 1/4 mm larger than the 22 mm of the lug nuts. I bought a 22 mm impact socket for the tight fit of the proper size.
Bro if you don't know why you should never take alloy wheels off the way you did, I'm certainly not going to educate you. Maybe you should have a career in engineering
Always a good tool, especially if you pull trailers. Like to keep these in my truck. Also can be a good citizen, help another traveler in need I personally carry a cheap 1/2 +20” breaker bar and the exact socket in my cars. Just for space
I was a Tool & Die maker, went to school long ago for it. We were always taught the easiest way to loosen any nut bolt or anything that needs turned. You would be best to use gravity to help not work against it. If loosening a normal thread put the wrench on the left side push down. Not the Right side to pull it against gravity.
Just PCS from Germany a few weeks ago and got my old car out of storage. Gonna be a few weeks before I get my tools so I picked up a 146 piece kit. Went to change my oil and forgot that it takes 7/8 for the oil pan plug. No 7/8 in my new kit, but my trusty four way did the job.
I always use a 4-way if I don’t have my breaker or gun. They’re way better than a regular lug wrench/tire iron, especially the emergency ones that come with the spare. I’ve bent and broken more of those then I can ever remember. I’ve only had two 4-ways because I’ve never needed another one. They’re both from the 80s and are still as strong and straight as day one. With a 4-way you can use a foot for extra power to crack some serious lug nuts loose. Can’t badmouth the 4-way man, they’re life savers.
A standard 4 way gets the job done well, sometimes better than an impact, and always better than a ratchet. You normally can oust one side and pull the other and don’t have to worry about camming off the nut. On the really stuck ones you can slip a pipe over the end and get plenty of leverage. And on the side of the road you can stick a jack stand under one side and use your jack to push up on the other to break free tough rusted lugs.
I miss my old 4 year way tool. Had a nice one. Solid steel. Forgot to take it out when I sold my Blazer years ago. Now all the new 4 ways are pissy cheap metal junk so I just decided to get with the times and carry a cordless impact wrench
with a good quality four way, or star wrench as i call it. For the hard nuts or bolts. placing the wrench so the handles are pointing up and down. I sit down and put my foot on the bottom handle and push, and pull on the top handle. a bit sketching but it has worked for me.
If a lug nut is really tight, there is more mechanical leverage at hand. Take hold of the spinning bar ends with each of your hands and lock your arms. Then steady your legs and move your body.
This video probably won’t get many views so I’ll tell you here, sometimes I troll for comments.. it helps the algorithm to grow my channel, most of the time it’s harmless and sometimes I try to make it a obvious joke (people still don’t know I’m joking).
@@NaptownTuner " 11/16 is VW junk" that would've been funny. I think why people find it so hard to see your humor is because you're considered more of a how to channel. I like to think I'm funny, I make people laugh pretty regularly, but I didn't hear a tone or sign that you were being funny. So if I couldn't tell I can see why. Not that I'm in any position to sound uppity. But my original comment was just me pointing out the punch line. Thank you for taking the time to message me back!
@@vr6prodigy I can’t give too much away but TH-cam rewards me for being a clown, my videos with the most views have 1 or more things containing errors that people want to correct, I try not to clickbait or title / thumbnail bait though
Yea, those are great and I have the correct size for my lugs, and they get each nut off faster by spinning the whole wrench, always use this for an exact purpose.
Once you break the nuts loose or start them back on you spin the like a propeller. Nuts come off and you can partially seat the nut when spinning them on. As long as it's a quality wrench I have no problem using these especially when far from my rollaway or no power for impacts.
My favorite tire shop used to use them, but now they over tighten everything with dac dacs... the advantage of a 4 way is it usually gets pretty close to torque spec if an average dude just gives it a good grunt. The disadvantage is that not everyone is an average dude working on an average car.
I call them speed wrenches. Applying force upwards is the hard way - apply the force downwards to use gravity and body weight. You can also block up the outboard end so the wrench tends to stay on the nut better if you really have to jump on it to break free a nut over-torqued at the tire place. Years ago this is what they used at race tracks. There is also a folding version.
The last time I had to deal with a flat, I realized just how crappy the factory stuff is. The next day, I stopped at Hazzard Fraught to pick up a deep well socket stubby extension and a 1/2” breaker bar. That set now lives in the back of the van and will be what I use if I have another flat. The 4-ways are nice for some things, I prefer a breaker bar with the correct socket (it’s just my thing).
Funny how every field mechanic has one in his truck.
Every swamp mechanic has one, did you lose yours or is it behind the back seat?
What kind of field mechanic uses a van? Where do you keep the oxy/acetelene, welder, compressor and cherry picker never mind your tools?
@@mattkrumm8141Whats wrong with a van? You can bolt down your tool boxes in the back and they have way more room than a truck for storage. A lot of mobile guys I know operate in a van
@@mattkrumm8141inside the van safe from assholes lol. Unless you haul big stuff or go off road a tuck is kind of unnecessary, vans have more room for your tools inside, where they're safer and shit doesn't get wet if it rains.
@@pvtghost117The reality most truck guys don't want to hear is that vans are more practical than trucks for the majority of use cases. Don't get me wrong, they're nowhere near as fun, but they just make sense.
As an adult that was raised on a mountainside, I can tell you that you want to keep that in your car, whether you are a mechanic or not.
If you tow various farm trailers also, every trailer has different size lug nuts, heck one of my trailer has two different sized lug nuts.
4 ways are great. It takes proper technique, but I have always gotten them to work on stuck lugs
I use one on my trailer. And I carry a 4x6 about 1 foot long also, in case I need to support the far end while I use a cheater on the 4-way.
I felt like the Hulk once because the head of my cheap metal four-way twisted right off.
I had a lug on my old truck that wouldn't break with a 4-way. It wouldn't even break with my pneumatic impact! What *did* break it, eventually, was a 36" breaker bar--but not until my 3/4" socket split in two and I had to switch to the 19mm socket. Glad to be rid of that truck.
@@0num4betting it was a FORD......
Pull up on one end,and down with your foot on the other end...It's always worked for me. I can put enough force on a 4-way that way,that I've snapped a couple,and bent a lot more.
4 ways are great. A lever for each arm to grab a hold of, and once the lug is cracked loose you can give them a good spin and they'll run the nut all the way off/on. If you size it right, you have a wrench for your car/truck and your trailer if you're towing. Just need to buy a good quality one in the right sizes...
Plus you can step on it if it's been torqued down extra tight.
That one will work for duel wheels
yup.
You can put a foot on one side and pull the other for super tight stuff, or just use an impact...😂
Well, if you don't jack the car up 1st, you can put that jack under the opposite end for support and bounce on the t-section to get those stubborn lug nuts to break loose...get em loose then jack up the car and finish the job.
I've got one in every vehicle I have, helluva lot better than the factory crap.
I had one too but then decided to put my long handle socket wrench in the trunk because its easier and faster !
@@diverdave4056if you use one of these right you can fully tighten a lug bolt/nut in like 5 seconds, just let the momentum spin the tool in your hand to snug it up, then just tighten. If you don't have access to an impact for whatever reason, these are the next best thing with how quickly you can change the wheels.
@@GTAmaniac1 BUT if the lug nut is stuck on tight... my long handle socket wrench makes it easier to break it loose . I do know that you can spin the lugs on and off fast with a wrench like he is showing
@@diverdave4056 attaching a cheater isn't too hard, plus if you prop up the end opposite of the one on the bolt/nut it's a lot more stable than a breaker bar and has 0 chance of slipping off... Unlike normal sockets
@@diverdave4056if it is stuck tight you put your foot on the other side of the 4 way and push with your leg and pull with your arms unless your socket wrench is a 4 ft bar the 4 way will get of stuck nuts better
Thanks for reviewing all 8 end sizes. That was really helpful.
lulz... it's stamped in the metal of the cross bars...
*not
Okay. So the lesson of this video is don’t trust a guy that pulls on his 4 ways, and keep a 4 way in your car. Got it.
The lesson is that if someone pulls up to work on your car and the first thing they say is "I didn't really bring any tools" it's time to just take the keys back and go to the dealer. Youre better off getting fucked the right way. 🤣🤣
I keep a breaker bar and impact sockets in my truck at all times.
Exactly my thought.. the leverage works better with force.. force gravity weight .. science ... lol
All you got to do is find the four-way that fits your vehicle I think they're super handy cuz you can use your foot along with your hand to help break those lug nuts loose whenever the idiot at the tire shop uses too much air pressure and lock some things on
Swear tire shops set the air guns to max and then let the thing spin in clutch for another 10 seconds to make sure every ft lb gets on there
Any time a shop puts my wheels back on, I loosen and retorque them as soon as I get home.
I used to do the same but I now use a hollow pole, slide it onto an arm, and add extra torque.
@@DG-sc1yuhollow pole? Lol Interesting way of saying PIPE
@@BroneOppa That's over torqued when that is done and can damage composite rims.
I use mine everytime I need to, gets the job done, see no problem with it !
Working on my bros truck and i didnt bring any tools.😂 Okay time to call an actual service tech.
It's not an impressive start.
glad someone else picked up on that lol
Yeah if your friend who says he can help cant even get your lugs off, call a mechanic. With the exception if you lost a stupid design wheelkey. Then things might get ugly.
My first thought, I know it tiktok but l carry a small assortment of tools in my ShTF Bag in my truck.
I keep a set of deep socket metric impact sockets and an cordless impact wrench
I’ve always liked 4 ways, i don’t have power tools, I’m only a buck25 and just use my foot to break nuts loose, i don’t need a fancy sliding 4 way lol
😢 that's also what she said. 😂😂😂😂😂
@@Thestockxj96 lol, hey I like the profile pic
Dont like 4 way, broke one in center with the 17mm on a vw beetle. And made a corkscrew out of a new. Not all are trustworthy. I have never seen a good one. To short to get any lewerage on a stuck wheelbolt or nut.
@@kjellrogerjgensen60 ya I’ve done the cork screw thing myself before on a really cheap one lol
@@outdoorvideoswithbrad thanks. Just now saw this comment for some reason.
11/16th lug nuts? Ford Escort, Geo Metro, Chevy Cavalier, Dodge Colt, Honda CVCC (Later called the Civic)... Pretty much anything that mounted either a 12 or 13 inch tire all the way up to around 1995...
In dudes defense, I'm guessing he's about 30 years old and most of these were relegated to the recycle yards before he learned to ride a bike. Some are still out there though.
Oh! Yeah! Just remembered... ATVs (Razor / quad bike)
Not quite right... I've owned multiple Ford escorts and a Cavalier and they all used a 3/4 or 19mm socket for the lug nuts.
Maybe some of the old GM vehicles with 7/16 studs used that size socket.
@@Krankie_V 82-85 escorts. The American produced ones used the same studs as European ones, that's why they were on the list. Only those years though.
@nunyabidness674 mid 1983 was when the escort switched from 1/2 inch studs to 12mm and they stayed 12mm through the end of production with the Mazda platforms. The front end of the Escort was reworked for the 1984 model year to share many parts with the upcoming Ford Tempo. I haven't owned one with 1/2 inch studs so I can't say for sure, however I have never seen a 1/2 inch lugnut with 11/16 hex. I won't say it's impossible but definitely sounds weird!
@@Krankie_V it was an 12mm stud and a 17mm lug nut. The nuts were not the castled design (Which is what was adopted for appearance purposes), they were just a grade 4 tapered nut bout 14mm tall (Just a little shorter than 9/16ths)
I only remembered the escorts specifically because I used that particular lug socket for the first time on my air gun. The cavalier had a beauty nut as well, and those were a 17mm when you took the caps off like you were supposed to (Stupid chromed tin sleeve)
Not to mention Audi and VW cars including models I've watched him work on.
I use that. Cheap, efficient for its price. Versatile for most applications regardless of location. Rain, mud, side of the road, hurricane.
Work smarter not harder, my guy! You get more power breaking them loose by pushing down rather than lifting up.👍
most people, yes. but personally i am 5'10" 140lbs so i don't have much weight, or mass, to drop into it like most people do, and i am extremely strong in my upper body so lifting is better for me
@@MechanicWelder94 that doesn't make sense.
@@mr.phenomi2976It makes a lot of sense when you have to use a lot of force.
Don’t know about you, but I can lift WAY more than my body weight. But hey maybe you have some way of locking your feet to the ground.
@hecanseeme8210 It is not about strength, it is about physics. The fact that you talk about strength leads me to believe you have not changed many 🤷
The folding one from Harbor Freight is nice, takes up little space folded, and has 17, 19, 21, and 22mm, which covers almost all passenger car/light truck metric lug nut/bolt sizes. And it's only $16.
I've actually got a "full-size" 4 way w those sizes. In other words, not a harbor freight collapsible one. Bought it in approximately 2002 when I drove for a local tow company. Have kept it in my truck box ever since. It has worked on everything I've ever needed.
4way has always been my preferred method for tightening lug nuts on cars. Never had one come loose or get damaged from over-tightening
same here dude. every impact guy i see breaks the lugs from too much torque
I'll hand thread, then use the impact to lightly snug them, then use the four way with my highly calibrated arm to properly torque them down.
I guarantee you've warped rotors. Lug nut torque is one of the most important torque specs you should follow. Use a torque wrench, don't be a hack unless you're stuck with a flat.
@@COBRO98 All you gotta do is be smarter than your tools. Been doing it the same way for 25 years, never had an issue. I also get 50,000+ miles from a set of pads. Take care of your machine, and it will take care of you.
I saw you and I am respecting the fact that you have somebody that supports you and helping you do your videos that is a blessing in itself when you have the passion and the education to give off the information and have somebody to hold the cell phone for you while you make your positive introduction of common sense to society about blue collar industry tips in the automotive industry I can't even tell you how much respect I have for this video
Besides the 4 way , I carry a pipe . It's on the side of the road that after an inspection , someone put 150 lbs. + on it . I STILL see guys in tire shops overtighten clockwise - NOT using a star pattern ! DUH !
I’ve been a mechanic for a little while, and so is my father. We have all my three older brothers included carried four-way lug wrenches. Where I live I hardly ever see someone without one. Never leave the house without a four-way.
I always carry a 4way because I can never find the socket I need when I need it, it's like the 10mm.
DAMN that 10mm... I literally have 5 full on 150+ piece socket sets (Most were gifts) and I own all of 1 10mm socket. I spray painted it that Kawasaki radioactive green just so I can find the little plick...
@@nunyabidness674 Want to find the 10? Go look for an 11.
The ever elusive 10mm 😂
Between the 10mm socket and the spoons in my household missing, it's all madness 😵💫
Imagine needing a true 1” and having a 25mm socket. Or needing a 25mm socket and having a 1”. Having it a little oversized when applying a lot of force can easily make an easy job much harder. Close doesn’t always work.
That 0.4mm is a real bitch
But I like my nuts smoove
Six point works fine if it's close.
Been a mechanic for 30ish years in shops, and I couldn't agree more. YES, a lot of SAE and metric sizes are hair fine close, but there's times when you HAVE TO have the correct size and "close enough" won't cut it!
@@ridgerunner106 if it’s 25mm that you need and it’s actually a 1” socket, that would work. But if you need the 1” but the socket is 25mm, there’s a good chance it won’t work. That 0.4mm that you’re shy, could be the difference and it won’t fit on to the lug nut or whatever kind of nut. So sometimes close works but not always. I would imagine if it says both 1” and 25mm, they would make it 1” but who knows
"Didnt bring any tools"...bud, it looks and sounds like you dont do much work on vehicles. Any mechanic would show up with tools even if the tools he needed were already there and available.
There's no way he's just doing this for a TH-cam video... Surely 🙄
@@skylined5534 dude has tools, but didn't bring any...this is probably in his own driveway. This is either a promo or sponsored video. OEM Tools isn't sold at any auto parts store. It's sold on Amazon. Also, those lugs are already loosened because these things aren't exactly strong. They are meant to be used for cars and applications where the lugs are torqued to less than 100 ftlbs.
@@Deathbomb9 you could not be more wrong.
@@Deathbomb9It's funny to me how your taking the time to comment on his video making assumptions, but haven't took the same time to click on his channel and check out his other videos..
The guy is clearly a mechanic from the hundred other video's of him working on vehicle's on his channel. You would have know that if you checked it out before making a comment... 😂
@@KB-420. turning a wrench makes you no more a mechanic than screwing in a light bulb makes you an electrician. 😂😂😂
You buy the one that fits your car.
Just can’t reach common sense now days
That doesn't help when the vehicle I'm assisting doesn't have their own tire iron.
@@TheAttacker732 sorry, clueless doesn't count.
I grab 1 of those bad boys every time i dont feel like looking for a socket
"Working on my brother's truck here..."
Standing beside a crossover 😂
Yeah that’s a little odd he’s a little ☠️
I mean it is a body on frame vehicle
Yeah since it’s technically body on frame is as much of a truck as a Tacoma or a ranger which are definitely trucks
Nobody gives a shit
What do you think crossover SUV means? A Lexus GX is basically a Land Cruiser, which will drive circles around any Suburban or Expedition. It’s common to refer to body-on-frame vehicles as trucks.
My go-to is an ancient Ken Tool cross wrench. When I googled them, they're still in business . My tip: wrap a piece of colored tape around the end (I matched my car's color) that way you don't have to fumble finding the right sized end.
The only time it doesn't work for me is when some idiot at a shop wayyyy over-tightens a lug nut.
Euro cars use 11/16 or 17mm.
You'd think an audi tsi expert would know that 😅
Some are 22 mm
Came here to say exactly this. Man did his research to know the sae/metric equivalents but didn’t know 11/16 and what it would be on
@@Annoyingirl221which are 22? Only ever seen 17 and 19 i think. Talking euro origin brands, i know ford transits can be 21 i think. Smart cars are possibly smaller, but only worked on 1 in maybe 5 years so not sure.
And 19 too
That one isn’t bad.. it’s the scissor Jack lug wrenches that are scary 😂
You mean the super crappy lug wrench that is stamped out of sheet metal? The jack handle doubles as the handle for the lug wrench!
Real quality stuff!!!
@@CH67guy1 yes that piece of crap 🤣🤣 usually end up twisting the whole damn thing and getting MAYBE one lug loose 🤣
This is something hopefully not learned on the side of the road 😅
Yep this is why our cars each have a four way in the trunk.
These are primarily for road emergencies however they work fine for home tire repairs and rotation . I have one in all of my cars . I stopped one time to help with a flat tire and the factory lug wrench did not fit the lugs that were on the car ( they had aftermarket wheels and tires ) but the 4 way worked to remove the wheel ! Got them on their way . Harbor freight sells them for about $10 or 12 bucks . It’s a must for taking trips !……
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"Until the day you have a flat tire, it's good to be reminded what works and doesn't. Especially if you've purchased a used vehicle, how many people actually check out the spare tire, jacks and tire wrenches?"
THANK YOU for the tips!
Now though, so many come with no spare
@@cousinjohncarstuff4568 True. I drove my Dodge Dakota with no spare from '06 thru 2019 with no problems but I knew better too.
Minnesota dumps tons of road salt in the winter, and underneath my rusty box was supposed to go a spare.
11/16 is 17mm, was standard on VW for a long long time with M12 and M14 bolts.
17mm wheel bolts are standard on most Euro trash cars AND some domestic stuff is going to lug bolts also as opposed to lug nuts !
That OEM Tools 4-way looks like it has a neat feature. Since the chrome bar slides completely out, you can slide it lengthwise inside of the green bar and it will take up less room for storage.
way faster than a breaker bar cause you can spin it to remove/install the wheel nuts. You will only hit yourself in the knee once and remember to keep it out of the way every time after
They are much cheaper than carrying an impact, and they offer much better leverage than the common janky little lug wrench that comes with most jacks these days. I carry one specifically to help other people in the side of the road with their flat tires, which happens several times a year.
Use your weight to break them loose. Us mechanics do it like that cuz we care about our back.
I was looking for this!! Hahaha I thought he the same! Most mechanics learn to use your weight in this situations then strength! Work smarter not harder
I usually just use my jack
These are very handy. If I dont want to use my impact, I break nuts loose with a breaker bar, then use my 4way to quickly remove the lug nuts and install in reverse order.
Ugh I’m a mechanic and I use 4 way lug wrench all the time. It stays in my truck. Also have a 1/2 impact but if the battery is dead or I don’t feel like fighting the lug nut out of the socket. 4 way never gets nuts stuck and is only extra minute or two on a full size truck. Semi work and you need the impact. Torque on those is set to 50 lbs under stripping the studs out.
I take a breaker bar over an impact any time. You can buy them with a telescope like mechanism that works quite alright
That's a nice tool to keep in every car
I’m glad to see the 2.0 master tech finally found a nice ride! Congrats bro
A mechanic makes sure we have the correct socket, the spare is inflated, and the jack works. Also always have a flashlight.
The rest of you can wait for a tow.
Procedure for a flat: call AAA. Wait an hour. Call again. Wait another hour. Call again, being a bit more "pursuasive." Wait another half hour. Change the tire yourself, cancel the AAA call, and go home wishing you'd just changed it in the first place. Where I am, AAA is worse than useless, but no one else seems to provide a comparable roadside "assistance" package. At least hypothetically helpful.
@iantrofimov6416
What about a sidewall puncture?
Not knocking your method, it's another idea to have with me.
@iantrofimov6416
Personally one, slid onto a curb on ice. Yeah slime sucks, I'm sure you've experienced that on the tire machine!
Have come across many on the job.
I have a trolly jack, electric impact, sockets, 4 way, some other tools, a 12 volt jump box and a machete. You know, yo change tires.
@@purpletigerracing7087
Lol, you're set!
Every farmer I ever knew had an X-wrench behind almost every seat… Truck, Tractor etc.
The truck with the tools could be miles away from where the damned tire goes flat. No one wants to walk.
I lost my X-Wrench once… It turned out to become a very bad day.
Both my father and grandfather were mechanics and always had 4-ways in all their vehicles. I have keep up the practice in my own vehicles. They have never let me down.
use these all the time. if you own trailers and such one of these will usually fit your truck and every trailer lug size also your 4 wheeler and tractor and so on. and its a breaker bar that lets you really spin em off.
What mechanic doesn't use a 4 way?😅
@@masterpah1 to bad your source is less trustworthy than Wikipedia
I have a 4way, but I'd grab my 24inch flex head ratchet and correct size sockets.
A real mechanic uses an 1/2 inch impact gun with the correct size socket.
A prepared modern mechanic will always have his half inch electric and a half inch metric socket set
I recently got a flat while driving halfway across the US. So glad I had my 1/2-in impact in the trunk with a 1/2-in socket set. Used it on the lug nuts and the scissor jack. Took maybe a minute to Jack up the car, take the flat off, and put the spare on. All on the side of the interstate.
What mechanic shows up to work on a car with hardly any tools. Every mechanic I know including myself carry tools with them at all time. I even threw my factory jack away and carry a 3 ton floor jack. My vehicle is a shop on wheels.
I remember in 80’s watching my grandfather change a tire on his 70 Impala. Man he’d get that 4 way lug wrench spinning like 100 mph. It was an art to it.
I have been a mechanic for 15yrs and I can tell you that tool can come in handy in case of an emergency I can add that to my tool collections
My old mechanic friend's grandfather invented that silly 4 way wrench and they worked for a long time. They're still handy.
I have a 4 way from a 1957 GMC truck that I still use to this day. I just rotated my wife’s tires on her 2013 ford focus with it.
The big one is for trucks (not the pick up type).
Most mechanics that work on wheels will have one of these, though a cordless impact wrench is almost mandatory these days.
That last tool is pretty cool. I love the fact it'll break in two for storage. I'll be looking for one when I get off here. 👍
I've had the same 4way lug wrench for 55yrs It's never been a problem, it fits all types of cars
The fourway wrench is fine. Of course I always keep a correct one in each vehicle.
They work like a T-handle. Grip firm on each end of the "T", engage your core and square up, loosen the bolt by simply leaning left. If a bolt is stubborn, support the fourway wrench with a jack stand and press with your foot.
When loosened, spin off the rest of the thread like you would with a typical T-handle balance.
You can also put the jack under the far end and then stand on the bar for more torque.
I'm assuming jacking the far end puts more weight on the tire but how does that help get the lug nuts off? Genuine question.
Try the correct technique. Put the 4-way on the lug nut so that the cross bar is level or slightly turned clockwise. Grab the ends with each hand, lock the elbows, and shift your body weight to the left. That way you are pulling up on the right and pushing down on the left for twice the torque.
After you jack the vehicle up off the ground and have the room, give the 4-way a good spin and you can spin the nut on or off nearly as fast as an impact.
You are supposed to break the lug nuts loose in a criss cross pattern. Real professional right there
Ideal tool to us is a straight handle breaker bar. Min 24" 1/2" drive. Once nuts are cracked, switch to 1/2" drive ratchet. Then use ratchet to set nuts and torq with breaker bar
I have a truck and 2 trailers. None have the same size lug nuts. Most 4-ways I looked at would only cover 1 or the other trailer. So I bought a breaker bar and 3 individual sockets.
We’re all very proud of you for making that video
I've always given stubborn lug-nuts a quick lil "snug" to the right.... Just to break the seal, then easily loosen to the left. Works like a charm, you're welcome!
I never realized the tool I've been using all my life is incorrect. Thanks for the public service announcement.
Never had a problem using a spider, especially when using the correct 'cross ways ' slackening and tightening sequence .
I worked in a tire shop where we used 4 ways, and a hydraulic jack, a bead breaker, and spoons.
We had two full compressor tanks, and the power was out.
It was a Peugeot.
The way to get it accomplished is to get the guys to see who can change the tires on wheels without a center hole, and accomplish it first.
Then, if you win, you can go on long break first.
The powers out anyway.
Hopefully the snows are already on your car.
Otherwise, you're doing your own, then going on break.
It's ok, we are only working till 10:30 pm.
And it's uphill both ways.
That’s the type I used, in metric. Why dig out the impact when that tool is so handy. It packs up into itself and is a great kit to bring in the vehicle. The best part of the 4-way is how it spins. It makes work fast, and gives you the tactile sensory, where an impact could increase your chances of cross threading and stripping. I went from impact down to this tool. Now, I do follow up with a torque wrench to be sure of accuracy.
harbor freight long handle flexible head breaker bars are super tool
i have used one with a pipe slid over the breaker bar and the bar bent and after cracking the truck frame hold down U bolt for the freight box. The breaker bar returned to its original shape . one half-inch breaker bar
Lesson; If it doesn't fit don't use it and water is wet.
I was a mechanic for a few years, and I DEFINITELY have one of these in my Lexus. You just have to make sure that the tool you buy, fits your lug nuts. I’ve used it to change a flat tire on the side of the road before…..
That "side if you want" is to make it a t handle for the other two sizes just like how you were using to loosen the nuts. Also I prefer this "collapsible" four way because in comes in handy for self defense (two makeshift batons).
Actually that last spot on the tool is to be close to the wheel for added leverage for tight lugs. Great vid bud!
He proved how useful they actually are
I have never bought one, yet I own 3.
I use it once a year to rotate my tires and if I need to change a tire.
Unless your car has an aftermarket suspension or a lift kit. You dont really have to rotate them. I dont ever rotate them. Just keep them filled up, and use nitrogen to fill your tires, oxygen in the air expands and contracts in changing weather, nitrogen doesnt. Givin your driving a stock vehicle. You should try it out, you might find your wasting a lot of time and energy.
The 7/8 will work on my Silverado truck but is about a 1/4 mm larger than the 22 mm of the lug nuts. I bought a 22 mm impact socket for the tight fit of the proper size.
Mechanics also don't go around the bolts in a circular pattern.
Tell me why it matters when loosening the lugs
@@NaptownTuner it doesn't. Just good business practice to not do a circle when doing lug nuts.
@@LexNatural just wanted to make sure t you knew the difference between loosening and tightening
Bro if you don't know why you should never take alloy wheels off the way you did, I'm certainly not going to educate you. Maybe you should have a career in engineering
Always a good tool, especially if you pull trailers. Like to keep these in my truck. Also can be a good citizen, help another traveler in need
I personally carry a cheap 1/2 +20” breaker bar and the exact socket in my cars. Just for space
Haha I love how you know you are supposed to hate something but you know deep down you love it
I was a Tool & Die maker, went to school long ago for it. We were always taught the easiest way to loosen any nut bolt or anything that needs turned. You would be best to use gravity to help not work against it. If loosening a normal thread put the wrench on the left side push down. Not the Right side to pull it against gravity.
Just PCS from Germany a few weeks ago and got my old car out of storage. Gonna be a few weeks before I get my tools so I picked up a 146 piece kit. Went to change my oil and forgot that it takes 7/8 for the oil pan plug. No 7/8 in my new kit, but my trusty four way did the job.
I always use a 4-way if I don’t have my breaker or gun. They’re way better than a regular lug wrench/tire iron, especially the emergency ones that come with the spare. I’ve bent and broken more of those then I can ever remember. I’ve only had two 4-ways because I’ve never needed another one. They’re both from the 80s and are still as strong and straight as day one. With a 4-way you can use a foot for extra power to crack some serious lug nuts loose. Can’t badmouth the 4-way man, they’re life savers.
I think I might pick up one of these. Seems like it would work as well as a 4 lug wrench,but take up less space when you put it in storage mode.
I keep a 25" Matco 88, sockets, and my old 1/2" impact in my truck. I also have a tool set in the wifes new Atlas.
I would carry that funky 4 way. It's dope
A standard 4 way gets the job done well, sometimes better than an impact, and always better than a ratchet. You normally can oust one side and pull the other and don’t have to worry about camming off the nut. On the really stuck ones you can slip a pipe over the end and get plenty of leverage. And on the side of the road you can stick a jack stand under one side and use your jack to push up on the other to break free tough rusted lugs.
The leverage of a T handled four way is a game changer
I miss my old 4 year way tool. Had a nice one. Solid steel. Forgot to take it out when I sold my Blazer years ago. Now all the new 4 ways are pissy cheap metal junk so I just decided to get with the times and carry a cordless impact wrench
All I do is push one side of the plus with my foot and pull the other side with my hand....works everytime. Never failed.
with a good quality four way, or star wrench as i call it. For the hard nuts or bolts. placing the wrench so the handles are pointing up and down. I sit down and put my foot on the bottom handle and push, and pull on the top handle. a bit sketching but it has worked for me.
If a lug nut is really tight, there is more mechanical leverage at hand. Take hold of the spinning bar ends with each of your hands and lock your arms. Then steady your legs and move your body.
I love my 4ways!! have used them all my life 🤘
Lol 11/16 ( or 17mm) is your fuckin VW lugs! 😂 So yes, you do actually know something that small.
Same size as my civic too
This video probably won’t get many views so I’ll tell you here, sometimes I troll for comments.. it helps the algorithm to grow my channel, most of the time it’s harmless and sometimes I try to make it a obvious joke (people still don’t know I’m joking).
@@NaptownTuner " 11/16 is VW junk" that would've been funny. I think why people find it so hard to see your humor is because you're considered more of a how to channel. I like to think I'm funny, I make people laugh pretty regularly, but I didn't hear a tone or sign that you were being funny. So if I couldn't tell I can see why. Not that I'm in any position to sound uppity. But my original comment was just me pointing out the punch line. Thank you for taking the time to message me back!
@@vr6prodigy I can’t give too much away but TH-cam rewards me for being a clown, my videos with the most views have 1 or more things containing errors that people want to correct, I try not to clickbait or title / thumbnail bait though
@@NaptownTuner I get it I guess. No worries man!
When breaking lug nuts by hand it’s much easier on your back if you push down rather than pulling up. Especially if the bolts are tough to come off.
Never thought anyone eould have s big stink with a hand tool that people have used for damn near a century
Used to be you could find a 4 way lug wrench in every trunk in the country.
Yea, those are great and I have the correct size for my lugs, and they get each nut off faster by spinning the whole wrench, always use this for an exact purpose.
Once you break the nuts loose or start them back on you spin the like a propeller. Nuts come off and you can partially seat the nut when spinning them on. As long as it's a quality wrench I have no problem using these especially when far from my rollaway or no power for impacts.
That is cool tbf, I have plenty of other tools id use before but that extra leverage and adaptability was cool......
GX470…best vehicle I have ever owned. I plan to get another. Maybe a 08-09 this time. ❤
My favorite tire shop used to use them, but now they over tighten everything with dac dacs... the advantage of a 4 way is it usually gets pretty close to torque spec if an average dude just gives it a good grunt. The disadvantage is that not everyone is an average dude working on an average car.
I call them speed wrenches.
Applying force upwards is the hard way - apply the force downwards to use gravity and body weight. You can also block up the outboard end so the wrench tends to stay on the nut better if you really have to jump on it to break free a nut over-torqued at the tire place.
Years ago this is what they used at race tracks.
There is also a folding version.
The last time I had to deal with a flat, I realized just how crappy the factory stuff is. The next day, I stopped at Hazzard Fraught to pick up a deep well socket stubby extension and a 1/2” breaker bar. That set now lives in the back of the van and will be what I use if I have another flat. The 4-ways are nice for some things, I prefer a breaker bar with the correct socket (it’s just my thing).
I've had the same tool since 1988 and it works 1000% better than the little no leverage tool that comes with your vehicle.