Football Finance Expert Claims Manchester City Will Be RELEGATED If Guilty Of Their FFP Charges 😲⬇️
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- Dive deep into the hot topic of Manchester City's potential relegation! Join talkSPORT's Jim White and Simon Jordan alongside a football finance expert as they dissect the FFP charges looming over the club.
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Simon is very argumentative even when he isn't in an argument. Just let the bloke speak without butting in.
Mr know it all can't go a minute without hearing his own voice. Story as old as time.
His anti City agenda absolutely hangs out of him
He required correction. I know that’s inconvenient for you.
Its not anti-city. It’s pro-fair okay. Do you understand that?
What would be the bleeding point of having the bloke as a guest if you're not gonna question him ...leave Simon alone
Why do TS bring on an actual expert on the subject and have Jim interrupt at every opportunity and Simon try to pretend he knows more than the expert? Simon thinks because he was once in a court, it makes him the expert. It’s like me getting a speeding ticket and thinking it makes me Lewis Hamilton. You bring the expert on…let him speak and give his learned opinion on the subject.
Because it’s radio not a podcast they have ad breaks every 8 minutes. Businesses pay tens of thousands for radio ads therefore broadcasters have to comply with the ad breaks. Can’t just let matey boy waffle on all morning unfortunately.
You mean the expert that conveniently forgot to mention that the main reason CAS overturned the UEFA verdict was because UEFA had broke their own 5 year cut off rule (that the prem doesn't have) and it wasn't because "there was a lack of evidence" like he says. The guy clearly has his own agenda whether because he is a City fan as he says.
I was looking for this in the comments.. you’re spot on, I tend to like Simon when it’s just he and Jim, when the experts come in and Simon tries to prove himself to be more of an expert in their subject than them it’s just cringe, he speeds up his talking and tries to show of his vocabulary and get big points across while the guest takes a breath. He comes across as a teenage boy arguing with his Father, has to have the last word
@@user-eb2hf7ih1zThey weren’t breaking anything down. Simon thinks his day in court from years ago, puts him on a level playing field with a lawyer who does this for a living. Jim sits there and continuously interrupts for no reason whatsoever. If they don’t want us to listen to the expert…don’t bring the expert on.
Because Jim and Simon love themselves too much
He correctly said "objective" and Simon still felt the need to claim he said "subjective". I heard that I'm sitting behind a laptop in another country...
Yeah threw me off, in the end who even cares, you get his point so why even interrupt him? He seemed all smug for calling him out, yet, he was wrong lol.
I have to say I also heard 'subjective', so for me, not a bad thing for a host to point out, if he feels it may avoid misunderstandings. I also agree that it was clear what he meant. For the rest, indeed, OMG, how annoying is Simon Jordan? So petty! Oh, I have also been involved with a case like that, I know stuff....
Subjective= what is said Objective= what can be proved.
Glad to see these comments actually wanting to listen to this guy.. and not Jim and Simon interrupting.
Two complete bellends
If Simon stopped interupting he might learn something. More importantly, so might I.
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Epic 🤣
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Would of been nice if Jordan let him actually finish a sentence.
Please remember, these City charges were put, after an investigation. An investigation that would never have happened, but for a Portuguese hacker. He gets forgotten. Rui Pinto got this whole thing started. Thats how devious and conniving these 'oil' guys are. Oil has ZERO PLACE in any football league. A corrupt W Cup ..oil money. I hate it. HATE IT. Big up Rui Pinto!!
@@frankystarrzsaying oil covers what you want to actually say
You just don't like brown owners
'have'' not 'of'.
Is that you Pep ?
Have. Can people start learning to use proper grammar and spell correctly FFS 🤦
Simon is spending every ounce of his energy to appear smarter than this guy, instead of just chilling and listening.
Because Simon Jordan is arrogant 🔔 end
Would’ve been nice to let the bloke talk without Simon interrupting him constantly
He said objective -
Simon’s desperation to assert his intelligence really lets himself down. He just looks like an arrogant, rude fool.
@danparsons2765
The guest said “subjective” which was the wrong thing to say - Simon was correct in pointing this out !
@@dstewusa7054 listen back - he said objective. 3:14 the subtitles clearly show it. You didn’t listen either.
100% he said objective
that was simons anon account @@danparsons2765
Simon "subjective" Jordan
I don't know why the media hasn't better explained this to us regular fans. Forest/Everton have been charged with spending outside their means but they accept this but believe they have mitigating circumstances. City are being charged with fraud, which they dispute, which is a much more serious matter and adds up to 115 charges. That's 1 of the reasons it's taking so long to solve
It’s also much more difficult to prove what they did, which also obviously takes longer
Man City should of done the right thing and pleaded guilty like Everton did. They can gain respect from public back if they did that instead of dragging it and dragging it.
it also doesnt help that city have challenged every request for evidence ect.
@@aryan.4855 Everton broke a different rule, which they really couldn’t hide if they wanted to! There was no point in pleading not guilty
@@aryan.4855Why plead guilty when you're innocent? "Have", by the way, not "of".
Well spoken..Simon is not neutral on this,he already assumes Man City are guilty…thats not right…
Shouldn't really be a presenter..most have been journalists..his agenda would get him in most editors offices every week..but we need proof!
City case guilty , get them out,,
Haaahaa….@@stephenkay3048
Well done on bringing on an informed guest then interrupting him non stop 👍
That's right Mr Speedo.
Simon out here embarrassing himself. He can't stand having someone more knowledgeable than himself
enjoy the championship next season
They’ll be lucky if relegation is their only punishment for 115 charges. Even if 1/3 are proven true they’re done for lol.
@@boshankers12 can you name the charges?
@@bluemoon1716 You don't need to know the law of universal gravitation or the theory of general relativity to know that if you step off a tall building you will go splat all the way down to the conference league. You don't need to know Murder Law to know that killing is wrong and illegal.
@@ntlrdm so you can't. Carry on
He said 'Objective' first time around
But Simon aka Penfold hadn't pointlessly spoken for 20 seconds so had to talk.
3:14 "Somebody's that objective" 3:26 "You said subjective". Simon is actually mental ...
Simon was right
He said objective@@FetsumBerhaneDire
he misheard him but tbf it does sound like both... that's objective and that's subjective. the wonders of the internet where people debate over a misheard vowel lol
@@Writeous0ne More like the wonders of Simon being too eager to trip someone up
@@sacred1827 i had to listen to it a few times though, it's the pronunciation of objective as Ubjective and the S on the end of that sounds lik thatsSUbjective
Bring in an expert, talk over him. Simon can’t bear to have someone on who’s got way more experience than him haha
That headline is misleading - it’s not what the expert concluded at all
it’s talkBOLLOCKS‼️🙄😆
It's exactly what he said. The headline has an if in it, just as his comments did. He just doesn't think it will come to pass.
Technically not wrong but kind of gives the wrong idea, when he also said that it's unlikely that there could be enough proof to judge them guilty
I wish Simon would let people speak without interrupting them every 20 seconds
Showed his insecurities in my opinion. Hated that someone might have more knowledge than him and a different opinion.
The guy was out of order, he has already made his mind up that City are guilty and whatever the argument he won't listen.
He had to interrupt because he knew the guy was talking facts and sense and that doesn't fit the agenda.
@JackSpursof course he was objective. The guy is a lawyer and he states that if City are found guilty, they will face heavy punishment. However, to be found guilty, the PL will need cogent evidence that the allegations are true. Everything he said was bang on the money, whether he is a City fan or otherwise.
Yea because Simon was gonna let him get away with lies, but city fans are clowns. Just sad because you had to cheat your way to relevance?
I love it when someone well informed who comes on this show and communicates in a measured way. Simon always seems to come across as an angry confrontational man, even if there's no need to be.
The guy just sounded like a City fan defending his clubs honour like it was his daughters virginity.
@@KidSaturdaysnot really. Your kevels of comprehension seem questionable. There are some good gcse you tube learning channels for late learners
@@ianblake3127 you sound like one too tbf.
Stefan knows what he is talking about.
Back when the usual football journalists were reporting that UEFA had a slam dunk case to take to CAS, Stefan proved the opposite. These 'journalists' (Miguel Delaney, The Sporting Intelligence guy et al.) laughed him off when he went into detail about the flimsy nature of UEFA's case. He was proven right. Everton fans and journos told him he was wrong. Again, he was right. He will be right about Chelsea too - unless Chelsea pull a rabbit out of the hat.
It would be worth City avoiding punishment just to see the look on Delaney's face. The man is obsessed, it borders on the peculiar.
But UEFA found them guilty, it was CAS that had to throw the appeal case out because man city failed to cooperate knowing they could get off on a time barring technicality.
An innocent party fully cooperates with proceedings and has nothing to hide
@@philbarton2832until it got to CAS, it wasn't a truly independent investigation. It went to CAS and the case was thrown out, if that's not enough for you - what is?
What are Chelsea getting looked at for?
Why did CAS throw the case out for city???
They might get relegated, but not in our lifetime..
IF
If there found guilty witch they will they will get kicked out of the premiership
@@stuart9404 They move to Serie A.
@astrologiaeaudiobooks7278 what drugs you on when they get relegated they will go in the vanarama league
@@stuart9404 Man City = Abu Dhabi. If they punish them for fraud and conspiracy, it will be at the same time an attack to United Arab Emirates reputation. They won't do it, too much money and power involved..
Simon gets a bit tetchy when he has people more educated or richer than him in the same room, doesn’t he. See this guy for more education and Hearn for richer.
Yes. He looked visibly intimidated when the uber educated Christian Purslow was a guest.
Uber do university's aswell ?
I really want to know the opinions of Cundy and O'hara on the legal situation swirling around Man City. I'm sure they have some valuable insights the lesser minds might have missed.
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Touché
To be fair Jamie has 2 GCEs
Well done Stefan. A calm and balanced opinion not like the smug and childish Simon Jordan. MCFC OK
Miss leading headline as usual, he said that could be the punishment if found guilty, but he believes they will be cleared of all charges
He didn't say cleared, he said too difficult to prove. There is a key difference but the outcome will be the same, cannot be proven, move on and there will be uproar amongst other clubs.
@@mrt1878 if the charges aren't proved, they are cleared...
@@mrt1878”I think City will be cleared, because I don’t think they’ve done it but if they had, I don’t think the Premier League is even capable of proving it” - you liar
@@mrt1878 I think you're bang on, I've been saying this for months, if man city are found guilty other clubs will be seeking compensation because they missed out on titles/ league placements and if they're cleared other clubs will still point to city's lack of cooperation as evidence of their corruption so will continue to judge them as suspicion
That's TH-cam and especially Talksport for you. Clickbait. "Journalism" is a joke nowadays
Simon Jordan could start an argument in an empty room lmao, guy loves his own voice 😅
Simon the guy who nearly bankrupted Crystal Palace on his own,now a presenter on a radio show who loves his own voice and I don’t think he’s the person to give out financial advice considering his past record
Big difference running a Premier League football club with your own money compared to the money of a state.
City living in Simon’s head RENT FREE-Priceless.. 😂😂😂
Enjoy Salford away.
@@Discombobulate453 who?
@@Discombobulate453 in your dreams😂😂😂😂
Be living in championship free soon too. Cheats
@@sivader17 dream on,… you’ll be gutted when we get found not guilty..😂😂
I like your opinion Simon but stop the sniping from the sideline when others are talking
His opinion is nothing but biased and Ill-informed.
There’s a bloke here who does this for a living, and Simon is trying to tell him about his own job and line of work.
Insufferable.
Insufferable Jordan..uses words like ' 0:15 pontificating' in some wiers Tom Browns schooldays fake accent to try and sound educated. To me he demonstrates all the education of a 1960's spiff. Without the charm!! He insults the intelligence of every normal football fan
Football fans aren't financial experts. Stefan knows about it. Suggest people listen and understand rather than just say strip titles etc. There is a legal process to go through and the burden of proof is huge.
@@JackSpurs he was clear on both sides of the argument. Just because you want something to happen doesn’t mean it will. It’s a complex case as they say.
@JackSpurs In other words...you WANT to hear that City have cheated. It eases your pain?
@JackSpursyou’re a bad melt you.
@@mana3735good knows why it would ease the pain of a spurs fan.
Not even relevant
The burden of proof under the umbrella of the “law”. Frankly we all know city cheated, which is why I’ve never been bothered about them winning it just never seems to mean much. They won the treble recently which is an extraordinary achievement but it just seems kind of meh, meaningless. They’re quick to charge Everton and forest to avoid another city debacle. But city has now become to important to those dirty executives who care nothing more than lining their own pockets.
Would have been good to actually hear what the financial advisor had to say! Without the interruptions.
If you are going to bring an expert in, let him speak!
Simon even needs to make up that the bloke said "subjective" when he obviously said objective so he could butt in and start arguing
He didn't make it up, it was an error.
Do you work in PR?
I know, he just can't help himself! I don't know how this man manages to maintain a friendship or even a relationship!
Do you work in PR?
@@pajanightbadger1713 Are u Simon boyfriend?
@@pajanightbadger1713he clearly says “that’S objective”. Simon was wrong yet again!!
"Whether Simon likes it or not"!!!😂.... Simon the joker!😂
Brilliant!
I think it's starting to dawn on people that Masters is a utd, liverpool and arsenal stooge and that FFP really is just designed to stop other clubs catching up to the old guard. "Can't have Everton and City investing to make themselves better can we"? The old Sky 4 really are terrified that someone will buy Leeds, Sunderland, Villa etc
Oil clubs are cheats
Never mind EPL Europe,s so called elite too they want it all themselves.The sheikh that wanted yonited is on the prowl for another club
Simon can’t stand people knowing more than him 😅
What he actually said was if they are found guilty but he thought that outcome extremely unlikely and they would be cleared
How could they possibly be cleared? They’ve been caught red handed turning in fake financial reports and post dating the value of past sponsorship payments. They were caught…
@@LudiCrust. Listen to the video for the answer.
@@LudiCrust. no they have not lol. Check the UEFA case, they got investigated against and they found no evidence to prove anything of the sort
@@LudiCrust. I am an LFC supporter so no dog in the fight.
The Everton and Notts forest case is entirely different to the City case which is about fraud and deception. This lawyer says it is a much higher bar and much more difficult to prosecute
If Manchester City are cleared of all these charges. I am finished with football. It will just go to show how corrupt the Premier League is. And anybody even remotely interested in football should see how much Manchester City are taking the piss out of everybody.
Jordan embarrassed himself during this interview. It’s about time talkgarbage had someone on with some knowledge, just ashame Jordan’s ego won’t let him get a word in.
Let the man speak he loves his own voice does simon
Two people talking at the same time doesn't make the matter less complicated
Simon and Jim keep jumping in to talk nonsense just let the expert speak about it . Simon thinks he knows everything and doesn’t ever say he’s wrong . Especially against city
So you bring on an actual expert and then interrupt him every chance you get lol
What is wrong with Simon Jordan?
It’s bizarre he seems to be taking Man City’s allegations so seriously?
How does it affect his life?
Very perculiar.
Doesn't everyone who cares about football take the allegations seriously? I agree he's wild, but I don't begrudge him the passion itself.
What? seriously? cheating affects every other team in the league and affects every single fan of every other teams , allegations needs to be taken seriously so that the bad sheep gets put to their right place
@@fussylib8184 Cheating affects others if they lost out because of the said act. City having sponsors from their owner country is the same as Liverpool having New Balance and United with Chevrolet. No other team lost money because of City. Football competition is not won on the Balance Sheet. You still need a good coach, players and every other aspect in order to win.
@@juliusoba6488 competition is not won on the balance sheet? That's wrong, city are winning with the players they bought while violating the fpp so id does count, and stop Gloryfing cheating 🙏
@@fussylib8184 City bought players just like every other club. Many times, City had to withdraw from player bids because of the price. So, while money is important, you don't win just because of that alone.
Also, City owes no club any apology for the way we run our business model. If you think City cheated, then you're free to provide your evidence of cheating or shut up.
Let the guy get his point across! Just constantly interrupting the man
What we have here shows you the problem that crops up with Simon a lot, he's in a conversation with someone who works in law and has worked in football finance(advisor) yet he still wants to come across as if he knows better(listen to the tone, his heavy breathing when he doesn't like what he's hearing... he's so petty). The only people remotely fooled by Simon's interruptions and desperation for the last say are those who want their pound of flesh regardless of whether the allegations are proven(they haven't been proven). He's always putting a dishonest spin on what happened at CAS. He likes to say UEFA found City guilty but leaves out the biggest takeaway from CAS was that they were told(13 instances) they didn't have the proof required to come to their verdicts of everything that wasn't time barred(this included most of the Etihad stuff and a few Etisalat claims). When someone is smart enough to pull him up on that he reverts to trying to inflate the importance of the tacked on non-cooperation charges, which ISN'T a major breach or a sign of guilt at all... As Stefan pointed out it's actually a normal legal tactic in complex cases. All the complaints about how good City's lawyers are and disingenuously dismissing the notion that they are acting on expert legal council for every action taken in response to this witch-hunt.
Preach!! He's so annoying sometimes. Which is most times coz I'm normally on TS for City news.
Hardly a wtch hunt
@@johnpavitt1571 Saying a party is guilty with zero evidence? Hardly a well thought out response.
Simon been making some big claims about city, was like a mouse this interview. Did you notice they didn't say much on it after the interview, they dragged their heals to not talk about it. If the expert would have said he thinks city are guilty and yada yada talksport would have been waxing lyrical about it foe the next half hour. All Simon could say was the sport washing tosh again.
All of SImons claims as you put it was backed up by the UEFA case.
He is like that mouthy soldier in the long and the tall and the short classic.... all mouth no intelligence
For a student of law premier League in this case the fa better have some level of proof for the level of accusations. This is not a case of everton overspending, this is a case of inflated sponsorship. This literally means you are accusing someone who runs some reputed firm of lying about actual figures. If you don't come up with legal proofs or if the independent commission comes out with a wrong assessment, i see city dragging it to the supreme court. Nobody in business will want their image tarnished for some agenda. In all i hope the hearing is fair and clean, otherwise if it's not but driven by other motives fa will be screwed. They better get it right the first time because if any court later on proves city's innocence the amount of penalty someone has to pay for dragging one's name to the mud is hefty. Moreover it's the image of the body which will be tarnished once and for all. They better have substantial proofs. Any malicious intent will do the opposite.
Aside the fact that they have already got through this in two separate courts. No chance of anything coming of this. Comment sections seem to have over looked the fact that they might be innocent??
There's no smoke without fire and 115 charges is a lot of smoke and that's for the courts to decide.
@@JFP1988 900 postmasters would disagree
It's been though UEFA and CAS. This is a waste of everyone's time
If the Premier League charge a club 115 times and are unable to evidence it then they will lose a lot of credibility as an organisation
Spot on
not necessarily, if the police saw someone in the area who matched a description for a crime and they took them into the station but found they just happened to be there that doesn't mean the police lose credibility they were just proven otherwise...
@@Writeous0nematched for a description 115 times…
get outta here..u will still watch it so stop ✋🏿 lying 🤥
@@dapperszn9759 you're just being pedantic there. the point stands, it's the PL's job to charge if there's suspicion... just because the suspicion is not proven doesn't mean they lose credibility, they were just doing their job. and any charges against a club will be put before a tribunal if the club denies the charges because it has to be independent of both parties for impartiality.
Brilliant.Made a change from the usual smear campaign.Which was immediately in the news afterwards.
Jorden making an absolute tit of himself talking to someone who actually does have some knowledge/intelligence, love it! I know what you know because I was in court once. 🤣
when there is a chance of Man City being in trouble, Simon gets very excitied, he hopes that Man city will be relgated.
All right thinking people do too.
Like the rest of us then.
@marksenior7823 your gonna be proper crying when we get found not guilty ...." but but but city paid them off" ...you and about 5 million other youtube/Facebook sheep
Im a City fan kick us out and make the team play in the Gorton Power league (thousands of us will still watch the team) if not found guilty then maybe pursue libel cases for all those who have spouted that they are guilty before case heard! Defamatory libel court wins could prove to be a very lucrative earner ..helping their FFP situation..just saying..if's smand buts. .@@SirAntoniousBlock
@@SirAntoniousBlock Lol cartoon😂🤣🤣🤣
How about letting the man finish a sentence Mr i think i know it all . Simon is after explaining FFP about 15 different ways . 1 minute he says Newcastle can spend half a billion in a window and it wont breach FFP because of how Mike Ashley ran the club now where hearing there close to breching FFP without having spent not even close to what Simon said they could spend but Jim wouldnt dare remind him of that statement .
I think City's case is frivolous and vexatious on the part of the football authorities. As with all authority, football authorities have a similar grandiose view of their own importance and it's this that is at the root of the case. Basically, it seems to me, that City has looked at the rule book and found a way of complying with the rules whilst injecting huge sums of money into the club. This is only possible because the people behind City have these huge sums at their disposal so they've injected the money in a legitimate manner by setting up other enterprise organisations that can pass the money under the normal rules of business. Obviously the authorities have found out and are typically annoyed that there are people in charge at City who are smarter than them. This is exactly the same sentiment that leads finger-wagging judges to scold accused individuals for "breaking the spirit of the law" because they can't find them guilty of a crime because they actually didn't break the law i.e. they didn't break the letter of the law. This is how all authority works - they don't like when people are smarter than they are and they act in typical fashion by trying to contrive legitimate behaviour into criminality. I predict City will be acquitted and the football authorities will rewrite the rule book to stop them doing what they're doing. City will probably be expecting this and will likely be working on different methods to achieve the same goals whilst complying with the new rules. This is what all companies do when authorities introduce more and more regulation.
What evidence do you have to support this ? Do you work at the Ethihad ? Or as part of their staff or financial team ? Do you have all the facts or are you assuming they will be acquitted, with no actual evidence ? 115 charges is no laughing matter.
My goodness let the man speak
Near impossible to prove the charges! Thank you Stefan 👏🏻
- LiVARpool found guilty of Hacking
- LiVARpool not called Cheats
- City found not guilty in Court
- City are called Cheats?🤔
Yea just like Savile.
But we all know.
Sh17 club.
Didn’t say that lol,just no one has balls to go up against them,as sheik money 💰 is to strong
He’s actually right
Almost 😅 impossible 2 prove intent nevertheless fraud
Will b declared mis-step or unintentional foul‼️🙄😆
Just get on with it, if we are proven guilty then so be it, we will still turn up in our droves no matter what. City till I die.
what all 20,000 of you ?
@@wiretom 🤣🤣🤣
Fair play to you
@@wiretom30.000 in the 3rd division. Make your mind up we’re glory hunting plastics or have no fans.
Simon Jordan is an absolute tool. He thinks he knows everything about everything and that gives him the right to interrupt every single guest they have on.
The shamelessness to bring on an expert, constantly interrupt him and twisting his words to gain traction is insane.
Long term subscriber to the 93:20 pod. If only all football “experts” talked with such sense
Why should MC cooperate with UEFA and PL when they got information with hacked emails. They are not obliged to cooperate . It’s onus to PL to prove those hacked emails are true in reality. Bring the proof if you have.
I think Simon Jordon is half man half goat, cos he’s always butting in
Very intriguing and well explained
Very simple, expert comes on and knows what he is talking about. Simon suddenly realises he is not the most knowledgeable in the room / radio station interupts and pulls faces. Pathetic from Jordan.
yep spot on mate
Simon should not have interrupted him. Stefan was telling the truth when he said he was going to be as subjective as possible.
Simon's ego suffering when there's a smarter and well in-tuned guest in the room.
City refused to cooperate on the emails because it was ruled by a Portuguese court that they should not be used in a court. However Uefa's case was held in Swiss rules and Cas determined that under Swiss law the evidence could be used.
They also decided the evidence was deliberately misleading.
weren't all the emails hacked by an employee of LFC?
@@BadAppleBlues lol, no.
That was for the scouting database back in 2014@@BadAppleBlues
@@BadAppleBlues They were hacked, yes, but not by an employee of LFC. Some of the emails, in the form they appeared in Der Speigel, were also doctored. At least one of the "emails" published in the paper was actually made by taking selected bits of at least two different emails and pasting them together.
However, none of that actually mattered in the end, because CAS obtained the original versions of the emails and made their ruling based on those, not the doctored versions.
🎉@@MickyMadHatterif der spiegal article was false why didn't citeh sue ? And CAS panal of 3 judges had 2 judges picked by citeh and 1 by uefa so no suprise they found in citehs favour, citeh have never claimed emails were false only that they were hacked illegally so shouldn't be admissible as evidence and that they were taken out of context , your claim that emails were doctored is false, CAS never even looked at hacked emails as they were timebarred lol so your claim that they did is also false, anything else you want to make up 😂😂😂😂
Simon thinks he’s a lawyer now and an expert on litigation hilarious, shaking his head because he didn’t like what he was hearing, showing his anti city bias as usual. So now we know what it’s taking so long and why the date can’t be announced maybe the morons is this world will calm down and get their tissues ready
- LiVARpool caught Hacking
- LiVARpool not considered Cheats
- City found not guilty in Court
- City considered Cheats?😂
Lawyer? Not even a broadcaster or pundit. The guy is prime talk sport level. Nobody listens or cares what he says. 😂
Hv u seen his white blouse 👚 n black glasses 🤓⁉️🙄😆
It happens, Glasgow Rangers FC.
*With all due respect and even taking into consideration the fan base of Rangers... They have nowhere near... Not even close... The money Man City has... And money talks*
@@the_80skid i know mate was just saying that it can happen whatever the charges and no matter who the club is.
@@WearethewingmakersBiggest club in england treated the geordies with nothung but respect mcgregor and mccoist testomonial got one massive soft spot for u's
The last two minutes (when he was actually allowed to speak) were priceless😂
You could see the colour draining out of Simon's face by the second😅
Have this guy in more. His insight into finances is great.
Wow , more people in the comments who have dazzling insight and knowledge into this case and also an advanced experience and knowledge of football finances at the top level.
Thank you magnus magnuson
No but you can read the case notes made public..not hard. Those that consider the law above them are liable to be abused by it..post office anyone?
Simon is once again either wrong or ignorant. CAS had the information. They admonished City for not giving it to UEFA but CAS got everything. City simply didn't trust UEFA to be fair and paid £9m to stick our fingers up at UEFA. If you read the CAS report, it is clear that CAS had access to the transactional level of data and also interviewed many of the people involved. Simon's trying to paint a picture that CAS essentially ruled with no evidence before them and that is manifestly untrue.
The charges were proven correct but were later found to be time-barred. There is no statute of limitations in the PL.
@@toph8298 I think you should read the CAS verdict again, because your statement is false. City was cleared of all FFP charges that was not time-barred, the stuff that was time-barren was never considered (hence why they call it time-barred). The only thing that was proven correct and that City was force to pay, was the charges that had to do with non-cooperation. This is basically the same that will happen now. About 30 of 115 charges are about non-cooperation, and if any charges actually can be proven in the case, it's these that deal with non-cooperation. The rest is basically impossible to prove without several people coming forward and testifying to cooking books and getting payed under the table- and that would mean both City and globally recognized auditors testify to have done criminal acts (from tax evasion to fraud), and that as likely as Wrexham being the PL-champions of 23/24...
Exactly. The CAS report literally states that UEFA didn't provide sufficient ENOUGH evidence. Meaning evidence was brought there, but UEFA basically completely half-assed it
@@toph8298 The PL is still barred by the Limitation Act of 1980, since it's going through UK law, which could see a statue of limitation of possible 6 years.
@@toph8298 that's false, only a small amount of the charges were time barred. the majority were charged and found insufficient.
Jims head was spinning that whole segment! Didn’t even know where to put his glasses
And the state of that Jordan fella 😅
Plot twist. Man City aren't guilty. Listen to the lawyers.
This will drag on for a long time and will end in some out of court/tribunal fine that will at least give the premier league some sort of face saving. The burden of trying to prove the allegations and the amount of people companies executives they would have to put in the dock suggests this won’t go any further as it’s nigh on impossible and could result in various slander cases. What will probably happen is some sort of rule change in transparency of commercial and sponsorship deals going forward but ultimately City will walk free of near all charges
Yip, the panel of 3 are about to be hit with what CAS was hit with. A plethora of top lawyers and witnesses that will be like a legal hurricane that will overwhelm them and tie them in knots and make it impossible to prove and convict. Too complicated and the PL know it
And who really feels that the best and most popular league in the world would be better without a high performance team like City who continually raises the standards? 😂 City is an example of how a wealthy owner should invest and build upon an established club.
City have complied with FFP since 2014...they make a massive turnover now.
Are people really this scared of good football?
@man ok 😂😂😂
@@mana3735City have a greatly increased turnover in recent seasons only because of their previous (and supposed fraudulent) spending and accounting behaviour, which then enabled them to win silverware and put the club on the world map. That cannot be overlooked or go unpunished otherwise other clubs (Newcastle being the most obvious candidate) could repeat that behaviour going forwards.
Listen to the full video and then look at the headline. Then tell me the media don't have it in for city
Of course people have it for City. A club that only has success because a sugar daddy owner... Respect is earned and city haven't earned it. Yes City are a great footballing side but they will never be in the same category of clubs like Liverpool and Man United.
@@mezza.7 Yeah, everyone knows those destitute clubs never had any money and so they grew their players in plant pots and they all played for free.
Who'd want to be in that category anyway? Self-entitled clubs with 99% of their fans that will never see them play. True plastics.
@@mezza.7 Absolutely. I am an Arsenal fan, I do not like Liverpool or Man United at all, but I appreciate the history they've had and I respect them greatly. Man City, Chelsea... I have zero respect for them. They've earned nothing but genuine hatred.
As If only littlewood didn't exist for Liverpool.
You people sometimes say football existed before 90's then forget that football did exist before 90's. Just go read about Liverpool and how the came up last time and dominated the continent for 20 years.
Hint : One of the richest person in UK was their owner.
But as it happened like 60 years ago. Forget it. That's too old to become history.
Idiots.🤣
@@deepakpandey8240 who hurt you boy?
Sounds like what he's saying is the accusations are so serious they would be difficult to prove.
That is exactly what hee said. They'd have to prove a multinational conspiracy. That is very difficult.
He basically said a lot of high up experts would all have to be in on it ...which is highly unlikely
If the case is indeed very similar to the one that went to CAS, as Stefan says, then yes, the accusations would imply a serious criminal conspiracy involving senior executives from multiple international companies.
Interestingly, one of the first rulings at CAS was about the standard of proof required. City argued that the allegations were so serious that the standard should be "beyond reasonable doubt", but CAS rejected that and set the standard lower at "comfortable satisfaction". And UEFA still got nowhere near meeting that standard.
@@MickyMadHatter The time bars were a pretty major factor though, and they don't apply here.
That's the thrust of his position it seems, which is why Simon makes some quip about Enron.
Sounds like we are good 🙌....I think Simon the little Englander might have a problem with where our owners are from.
In short, they'll get off scot-free from all allegations as there's no way to prove any inconclusively.
What a huge surprise, not!
Nope - what they will get is exhonerated.
So do you want them to get convicted even if they can't prove it? Its innocent until proven guilty not the other way around.
hahaha...you WANT them to be guilty of...ANYTHING...rather than your own club to play better?
they've charged them with 115 counts with no evidence? I don't think so.
@@stevenicol1 Duplicate charges. There's about 5 important charges.
So as anybody with a brain knows and was the case at CAS. They will not be proven guilty of the substantial charges, will get a fine for not cooperating and maybe some points deducted but as for relegations and 50 points and the nonesense spouted by some of the Dullards on this thread. It's how it will play out. Simples....
Great to have finance experts on
FA haven’t thought all this through !
Simon was interrupting this bloke because he wasn’t saying anything we didn’t know a year ago. Why was he on?
Does Simon let anyone finish their sentence?
Wow, someone who actually has a clue. Well done Stefan, very interesting. Pity Jordan wouldn't shut his ignorant mouth and let us actually hear the expert speak. Palace fans will tell you he almost destroyed their entire club when chairman.
He is a City fan, what were you expecting him to say?
What he did - which was an informed assessment of the situation.@@redboy-pk4ji
Bore off.@@JackSpurs
@@JackSpursA tiny club with the same number of titles as Spurs, not part of the corrupt big 5 like Spurs and also a record attendance that still hasn't been bettered by any English club in 90 years.
@@JackSpurs Spot on Jack, everything about the club is soulless. Their own fans turn a blind eye to the charges where as most of other fans would want the situation clearing up ASAP. They should change name when truth comes out to Mansour Cheaty or Asterisk FC 😂
I am sure Jim White has personal issues with Man City. Simon actually shut him last he spoke about this situation. Man United has fallen.
This is exactly whats wrong with the media surrounding football. You bring on an expert to the show, have a 12 minute segement of getting him to explain the situation, whilst he only ends up with about 1 minute and 30 seconds to make his statement, because for the other 10 1/2 minutes he gets constantly interrupted by a guy who thinks he knows anything about everything and additionally get disruppted by the other guy, constantly putting words in his mouth to get a headline, which he finally got at one point, while continually ignoring everything he says. Worked out well for talksport cause the other media outlets picked it up in a split second, but ofc only used the parts (of sentences) that generae interest. This is exactly one of the reasons why the athletic is one of the only reliable outlets out there. Integrity in media begins and ends with the journalist and in the world of football media, theres very little of that.
3:23 he said objective, there was no need to interrupt whilst sitting with a smirk on your face.
Jim's ignorance is baffling....😮
Jim represents the listener. Pretty obvious.
To summarise the allegations are of such a serious nature. The premier league have very much bitten off more than they can chew, it will be extremely difficult to prove against city and an outfit like the premier league don’t have the wherewithal to bring this to a satisfactory conclusion in their favour.
Yip. But you need to be educated to understand that, but many people on here are a bit dim and default to saying they will be in the conference. Ain't going to happen
Think the issue is the charges are so serious the methodology for proving them is not a quasi tribunal. City will go legal (formerly) if this were to happen.
@@tomcrown9546 they can go legal if they want, the premier league have plenty of evidence. They will lose.
@@stevenicol1If they had plenty of evidence, it would be over by now.
@@stevenicol1😂😂 they've got nothing apart from the same "evidence" that UEFA had...some hacked emails. Not a single charge was upheld when City took UEFA to court. The Prem have got nothing other than hearsay. If they had anything concrete it wouldn't take 3-4 years to reach a verdict.
The best thing is if even 1 charge is proven guilty there titles mean nothing😊😊😊😊
Now you are moving the goalposts. The titles may mean nothing to you, but it means a lot to us City fans.
@@juliusoba6488 lance Armstrong probably loves his trophies also
@@dresantorini1770 That's got nothing to do with me. I just love the fact that City has given Liverpool and United fans PTSD such that they can't stop screaming "cheats" on social media. They think if they scream loud enough, that would magically produce evidence of cheating.
Deluded what city fans dont care aboutvis armchair fans of other clubs. Ill love em even more two fingers up to hpocritical prem. Football has always been dodgy and corrupt nearly every pro club has dirty hands...betting scandals..over spending..dodgy investment money CFC ! All of it since the game began
@@dresantorini1770strip LFC of all 70's trophies while were at it..massive spending when gambling ruins lives..Littlewoods!
The UEFA charges against City had to be dropped because they were deemed to be too long ago to be punishable and the same will probably happen with the Premier League charges.....basically get away with it on a complete fudge!
Huge comeback win at Newcastle and a mini break in January... time for a 115 charge update
Huge comeback win against a side with 11 players unavailable
@@Bennyboy138fuming pal
@@JackSpurs Provide an example
@paj lance armstrong got cleared for years and years and it never ever went away because anyone with half a brain new he was cheating and it was always only a matter of time until someone caught him.
This is no different
@@pajanightbadger1713living about how much sponsorship money for the naming rights for a stadium they don't even own
City do not need to clear their name. The onus is for the PL to prove beyond reasonable doubt that such a fraud took place. That will mean a very high level of proof.
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This is a case of breaking regulations of the PL not a criminal case, please become informed of the basics before commenting.
@@SirAntoniousBlock yes I did make an error in my choice of words. However, it is still down to EPL to prove the case, not for City to prove their innocence.
I appreciate Stefan’s knowledge. Need more interviews with guests like him.
Sounds dodgy as hell, inflating the sponsorship from a company that is also owned by the same owner was just an effort to circumvent the FFP rules, but like Stefan said, it's going to be difficult to prove conspiracy. Sounds like the Prem need to close that loophole so that there are no conflicts of interest from sponsors, directly OR indirectly, if that hasn't already been done.
Charges need to come to fruition this season before Masters changes the rules next season. I still think that City will get “A get out of jail card”. If the charges aren’t enforced this season.
BS - the charges will be heard against the rules as they applied at the time.
Changing the rules now won't exempt them from being punished for allegedly breaking the rules that were in effect at that time (years ago)
It won't matter if the rules change they have been charged with breaking past rules during that relevant past time period. What I think will happen is they'll be charged and punished so the Premier League get their headlines but then City's lawyers will appeal their way out of it and they'll end up with nothing more than a fine equivalent to the price of a player
This is just false. The alleged breaches will be judged against the rules for the season they were alleged in. A rule change means nothing. If you actually looks at the 115 alleged breaches, you'll notice the breach number for the same alleged incident changes because the rules changed.
@@adds5483Weren’t your club found guilty of breaching FFPR 7 months ago, Munich?
Jack Grealish's hair band doesn't sweat this in the least.
Don't quit your day job son.
Lawyers view in short.... The charges are massive... If proven would result in relegation... But the quasi-court of the PL won't be able to make the allegations stick as too big...
Oh.... And Simon should stick to football!