Charges will be dropped and then magically the Premier league will get a 1 billion dollar a year new sponsor from a betting company based out of Malta with 2 employees.
Sheffield Wednesday and Derby were chucked out of the championship to league one for discrepancies less than this and yet conceivably City can and most likely will get away with all this. Where is the consistency?
I agree. It's brutal how there is no leeway for smaller clubs but they'll always bend over for bigger clubs and let it slide one way or the other. Hopefully, not this time.
You dont get to go from being championship fodder to one of europes elite teams in just a few years without greasing a few wheels and bending a few rules. Its crazy to me that its taken so long for them to be found out
@Merovingian1882 Pretty sure there wasn't financial fair play rules at that point so as much as I hope chelsea burns they did nothing wrong (well until 22 23) City have blatantly flaunted the rules and I hope the Emptyhad gets nuked
@Wink1882 Chelsea were far more established than Man city when Chelsea were taken over by Roman... regularly getting top 4 and winning cups nowhere near the second division like city
Roman took over a Champions League side with previous legends like Gullit, Desailly, Zola, Vialli, Poyet… Man City were a relegation team who’s most iconic players were Richard Dunne and Darrius Vassell…
@@zee1unknown171 man is comparing lampard, terry gudjhonsen, zola, vialli, gullit and hasselbaink to joey barton, richard dunne and steven ireland lmfaooooo
Well this means we (lfc) should have won the Premier league 4 times that would take us above united in league wins, so utd want to be thankful too city, absolutely insane like
Relegation should be the minimum penalty. Although I think it should be like rangers when they where sent to the bottom of the Scottish football pyramid, city should be demoted to league two
@@duuley I doubt this will happen this time.round. They will want to make an example of them. Other clubs will.lobby the PL to take proper action. I believe they are in serious trouble.
@@duuley Chelsea used loopholes in their favour that got everyone's attention and there were discussions of putting other regulations of pl and football. So this move is a statement that we can regulate ourselves since they can't do nothing to Chelsea.
Massive financial penalty, points deduction, relegation, transfer ban, European ban. I'm not really interested in stripping past titles; I don't think it means anything to have a "title" given to you fifteen years after the fact. Everything else is a relevant penalty going forward, not trying to rewrite the past. If City just get a slap on the wrist, the government should impose an independent oversight body on English football because clearly the league won't police itself.
Your comment made me laugh out loud. You’re just a random internet guy on his keyboard talking about how you don’t want a premier league champions medal. Like who are you to have an opinion? You’re not even an athlete bwahah
@@zee1unknown171 you mean like they do with Olympic Medals? If you won the medal by cheating and you get to keep the medal then the medal has no integrity. But it’s less about the medal and more about a public stripping of the title. If you are found to have cheated to win the title - and you get to keep it anyway - then the title has no integrity. The issuing authority of the title has no integrity. Everyone has to accept that the EPL is no longer a fair league, it is just “reality tv” entertainment scripted to look like real life when in fact it fake.
@@bobness9842 throw the book at them! Set a precedent so Newcastle don't get away with this type of behaviour! No brown envelopes can wipe out those 100 breaches! City are trapped and need to comply otherwise more embarrassment is on the way
It would make no sense to fine them, as they'll just come up with money from an unknown place to pay it, which is why how they broke the rules to begin with. You need to strip the titles like the would if an Olympic gold medalist was found out to be a cheat.
Honestly takin one Prem away from them would be enough to mark them as cheats forever the British will never let them live it now i can hear the chants already
Its from 2009-2018. But even after this the alleged cheating obviously affects the coming years 2019-20-21-22 up to now since players they have signed during the offences are still there now or have only just recently left.
Are teams going to start asking for compensation? Think of teams that got knocked out or relegated, and European spots. Serious stuff. Surely they have to be halted from playing immediately? This can't go on for 4 more years!
Yeah they wil ask for compensation for a unfinished verdict. Get a grip and learn how the courts work before you open your gob. Guessing your a rag , bad numbers and common sense. 🤡
To complicated. Other teams will say you don’t know what would happen to a certain team who should be on top instead of city and the score in the games they played might end up different.
The accusation seems to be that they were paying Mancini and several players off the books. Surely that renders those players retrospectively ineligible and the games they played in would have to be changed to walkovers. That would mean that Man City would have to have the titles they won - every point they won tbh - to be taken away. If they cheated to win, scrub their names from the record books.
Those are the least serious allegations being made. IMO this is going to explode into a whole other monster involving government and title-stripping will seem trivial
if those are the only allegations that stick they wont get a big fine. mancini was paid 1 or 2 million off the books. in the grand scheme of things that literally nothing. its the other things that are WAY more serious ie fault accounting
They also allegedly made deals with companies at significantly inflated prices. Like making deals with UAE corporations where they got paid way more than market price. Basically laundering money in from UAE through fake deals.
@@thelmaviaduct man, it’s a good thing this didn’t happen in the US. Bankers, regulators, and credit rating agencies defrauded investors, pensioners, and institutions in 2006-2008 with subprime mortgage instruments, and U.S. taxpayers had to bail them out. Good thing we borrowed most the bailout money from China. 😂😂😂😂
I don’t think it will. The FA and the EPL are trying to convince the government not to make an “ofcom” of football and that they’re not corrupt. If they let City off, it could make them look weak and mean the government will definitely create an independent football regulator
Portsmouth got relegated 2 divisions for alot less with alot less eyes on the FA/ pressure on Uefa from other leagues after Chelsea's spending so I wouldn't count on that
Was appalled how MCFC were let off so lightly by UEFA and how harsh EFL in comparison towards Derby and Wednesday! We have the greatest league in the world and now is time to prove it has integrity as well as everything else. Need nothing less than a relegation and a lengthy transfer embargo !!
@@cazdoll32 I imagine PL having enough evidence as have pressed the red button opening Pandora’s box!!! Expect Will be a long time but justice must prevail! Points won’t be enough cos would need over 50 deducted to nearly hurt!!!
there are over 101 charges. They are accusing them of INTENTIONAL misrepresentations. This is NOT entirely clerical errors. That's absolutely absurd. If it was some accidental clerical error when notified they'd have submitted proper docs and that would be the end of it. They have charged them with obstruction. That's intentional. They've been charged with lying about how much they were paying both the manager and their players. That's not clerical. This is serious misrepresentation accused of here.
Few days ago - Pep calls out 9 PL Clubs writing to PL to have City Banned,while Chelsea spend 600M Few days later - PL Sanction City Coincidence,Corruption?😂
It’s going to be big what they get. One of the biggest stories in premier league history no doubt . There’s no way the premier league would openly make it this big of a thing if they weren’t going to impose very harsh sanctions , I’d be very worried if I was playing for or supporting city right now
No quite the opposite .. FA wants investment in PL as financially healthy clubs make the FA richer and have a knock on effect in lower leugues … in case no one noticed the PL is about making money and lots of it
At the root of all this is how City's biggest commercial revenue comes from a company owned by the club owners...Etihad. This has been the fundamental difference between Chelsea & City. At no time during Abramovich's 19 years did he have one of his company's sponsor Chelsea. Chelsea's sponsorship & commercial revenue always came from companies with no connection to Abramovich.
Chelsea operated above board. Most teams did not like them splashing the cash, but the cash came from loans from RA a true sugar daddy, not fake revenue.
Also explains why Liverpool have been performing poorly - all the players are like, “we gave 200% last 4 years but got screwed out of 2+ titles because it’s a rigged system nobody does anything about. Why bother.”
@@turunturun no you promfining poorly because of Klopp refusal to deal with defensive issue over is time has a manager and talk about a rigged system please you part rigged system in stopping other clubs breaking the stranglehold the big six have over the premier league, Liverpool are no better than Man C in being corrupt at times
Rules are rules. It is even more important to hold the rich and powerful to the letter of the law or the rules become pointless. Throw the book at them. What makes this case most egregious is that everyone could see City were full of sh*t
They will get a points deduction that will be appealed which they’ll win and they will just have to pay for the premier league committee’s Christmas party
The FA doesn't run the Prem. The FA does run the Championship and the rest of the leagues, however. If City does get kicked from the Prem, then the FA could refuse to let them in the league at all. Now that would be a show of strength. They are separate entities.
And this is exactly why the FA isn't handling anything there. It will be handled by "independent" people (who come from the same walks of life as City's owners, but that's just a coincidence).
No way. I commented earlier about the inability to pronounce remuneration, now my guy's suddenly putting extra emphasis on every time he says it. Does this mean they actually look at the comments?
Well. I have no idea what the lawyer beyond agreeing with every question he was asked. He cleared nothing up. Made no useful comparisons to Rangers or Juve. Waste of time.
Let's start from 1887 and ensure the Premier League charges every club that has breached the Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules introduced in 2024, including Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, etc.
Let’s go further back and investigate United, Arsenal and Liverpool. But they won’t do that, will they? What about Blackburn? Pure and utter witch hunt.
Any club found cheating financially in a football competition should be stripped of their titles won in that period. Would stop it overnight. Forget transfer window bans and fines, does nothing. Strip the titles.
Derby county and Sheff Wednesday fans should start a protest immediately . Man City shouldn’t get off from this. They have been cheating for years. If FA fail to handle this issue well, I’m losing interest in football.
Of course they want an independent regulator involved, then they’ll get the brown envelopes out to those people checking everything 😢 I’d be gob smacked if they get a massive points deduction or expulsion from the PL
Actually, its in the prems interest to prove or even blackmail the gov to not bring jn individual regulators. the prem are accusing the countries biggest investors of fraud. the gov will kinda be worried about that considering they are trying to get them to invest more
Quite sure Man City had a duty of care to provide accounts which gave a true and fair view under company regulations, anything otherwise is quite serious.
When you claim to have made more revenue than real Madrid with a smaller UK fanbase then spurs, then the alarm bells started ringing for the premier league investigation panel!
just deduct 40 points each season from 2009 to now. also find them 50 mill per season from 2009 to 2018 + 1 mil per breach so over 600 million pounds has to be paid in the next 20 years.
dosent change the fact they were better than everyone 😂 money dose not mean success look at man united and chelsea spending… takes a well run club coach and team to get citys type of success
@@tenout1083 are you clapped? take the money away from city and theyre a relegation side....lol where were they before the money? fighting for middle of the table, they were better than other because they could afford the best. money DOES mean success.
@@IcarusHUD the best money thats absurd from u mate united spent more than city so if money can give u success it will be definetely united so city played good football and showed who they are in the pitch
If they get away with it then it’s a slap in the face to the rest. Teams like qpr, sheff wed, derby, rangers etc faced consequences (less wealthy). City got away with it by hiring too lawyers to avoid uefa ban.
I've been waiting for this for a long time now. Tbh I kinda want them relegated, chuck them down to league two or something, let them work their way up again
it needs to be more than that they need stripping of titles cups etc as they have won them with dodgy money used to buy and pay players wages they really couldnt afford and shouldnt have had playing for them which as given them a advantage over other clubs ,clubs have been robbed of titles and cups cos of this and also other clubs have been relegated and lost revenue and players cos of them and there dirty corrupt cheating ,do i think anything will happen not a chance they will buy there way out of it and get the least punishment possible and make the case itself drag on for years which will suit city the legal team and the premier league
So intrigued as to how this will play out; we need to be mindful that they haven't been found guilty of anything yet. Things "not looking good" doesn't mean guilty and trial by media in just the last 2 years on much more serious accusations have resulted in no action and apparent, innocence. As an Arsenal fan keeping a keen eye on this I feel like a points deduction this season IS NOT the correct punishment. Punishing the past has little to no effect, taking titles away from players that did nothing wrong doesn't sit well with me. I can't imagine Man United and Liverpool players would be that thrilled about getting winners medals for finishing second. They are elite athletes that will see that regardless of potential balance sheet fraud they were beaten on the pitch and a winners medal wouldn't change that. The punishment must relate to the future and it must be a punishment that can be applied to any future club moving forward. We cannot have the view that "well we won't bother with a fine because its Man City and they won't feel it" - in the event of being found guilty of these charges league expulsion must be on the table given what has happened to teams in the past. Points deductions have been a punishment used against Luton, Derby, Bournemouth, Rotherham, Leeds, Bury and Wigan off the top of my head; I am sure there is more. As far as I know in most cases it was for going into Administration; this isn't even cooking the books or attempting fraud (although some of the clubs were guilty of financial offences). The punishment must be severe enough that no other club looks to replicate what Man City are accused of and I'll be amazed if its only Man City that are under investigation for these charges.
as a Liverpool fan, I respect every club in the league other than City and Chelsea. If City get away with this then it gives Newcastle the green light to get started with buying their way to the league. They need to be heavily fined and relegated to the Championship. The City players have earned their PL medals though over the years so you can’t take that away from them but in the future City should never be winning another PL ever again or at least for a very long time!
Newcastle have chosen to not follow the footsteps of Man City & Chelsea. They have been quite pragmatic in their tranfer business. Newcastle has now seen the perils of Man City's underhanded practices & will be presented with a more sustainable way to manage its resources & investments. This situation just opens up another spot available in the top 4 in the future.
@@rorus9530 finding loopholes is literally doing something ethically frowned upon whilst legally correct. So definitely not the same thing. What's legal is legal. That's a problem with the legal framework if anything. City aren't being investigated for loopholes. These are serious allegations.
As Manchester United supporter there is nothing more I would like than to see Manchester City get punished. But I also love football and I understand that this is not only about City but more importantly about saving our Premier league. The Premier league has to get this right, they cannot afford to muck this up.
If the only punishment would be a financial one, what difference would it make when they have access to unlimited funds anyway? The only punishment that would affect them in any way is relegation and taking away their Premier League titles, or at least some of them.
Trust me bruh there will be harsh punishment! We are talking about man City not man utd! The premier league can survive without man City and Did so for many years! But man utd, Liverpool, arsenal are the clubs that get the most views
@@mymemories925 you're just jealous lol no one cares...man utd still spend more than city and fail...liverpool and arsenal are banter clubs...you clowns
Less than 1% people think they are actually getting any consequences. Look how Chelsea are bending the rules. These rich companies and lawyers always find a dodgy yet somehow legal but still dodgy way around it. Meanwhile all the little people get stung all the smaller clubs and just everyday fans
City fan circa 2008/9: Haters gonna hate! Everyone else: you got away with UEFA due to a loophole (time restrictions), not because you were innocent, so better pray harder this time! Use a better quality grease.
There seems to be an awful lot of "independent commissions" in the UK whose only role is to... maintain the status quo and keep things going as they are. Like the one on wage negotiations siding with the Tory government. Who seriously believes this is going to be different this time? Maybe the country could develop "independent commissions" as an export product, I am sure trading partners will be hugely interested.
They have not broken any rules and will spend more ,clubs are just jealous tell me any club that wouldn’t want a new owner to come in and refresh the club with new players . Todd Bohly is In investments as his business so he knows how to make money he is no mug. Salty fans “ Chelsea this Chelsea that “ 😂
Damn, this is the kind of stuff that rival fans absolutely love! City fans and players are going to be jeered and booed for the rest of the season, with chants of "Cheaters, Cheaters" at every game.. 🤣
• Stripped of every honour won dating back from the 09/10 season and awarded to 2nd place or runner up and compensation paid to any clubs that missed out on playing in European competitions or were relegated due to them finishing above them in that time period too. • Relegated to the bottom tier of English top flight football (League 2) • Made to start they’re first campaign in League 2 with a -30 points deduction. • A six window (3 year) transfer ban with no chance for an appeal. • Banned from EFL and FA cup competitions for 3 years. • £650M fine (£5M per charge) That should be they’re absolute minimum punishment.
My best guess? Nothing will happen in terms of sporting sanctions. Cash rules the world. But if they truly want to be fair, then the club that started the financial doping in 2004 should be investigated too. Very soon there will be no integrity anymore in the game and we will all lose interest because of a few greedy people.
Everyone is talking about what will happen to City but no one is talking about what will happen to the PL if they don't get this right.
They must have proper evidence to go ahead.
Yep, loss of credibility is a very real prospect right now and they don't have all that much to start with
OR what will happen to the UK if they dont get it right (considering the club is run by the country's biggest investors)
Super League
@@cookofdenton4190 Yeah like EUFA? The Premier league had a French investigator called Clouseau apparently.
Charges will be dropped and then magically the Premier league will get a 1 billion dollar a year new sponsor from a betting company based out of Malta with 2 employees.
Haha 😂
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brilliant! haha
888 is based in malta
😂😂😂😂
Sheffield Wednesday and Derby were chucked out of the championship to league one for discrepancies less than this and yet conceivably City can and most likely will get away with all this. Where is the consistency?
Mabe VAR can sort it out.
I agree. It's brutal how there is no leeway for smaller clubs but they'll always bend over for bigger clubs and let it slide one way or the other. Hopefully, not this time.
It's billions vs millions.
If you pay the authority you could get out of it😂
Bruh, it's only a Big Payday for the FA 💰🤐💰
You dont get to go from being championship fodder to one of europes elite teams in just a few years without greasing a few wheels and bending a few rules. Its crazy to me that its taken so long for them to be found out
@Merovingian1882 Pretty sure there wasn't financial fair play rules at that point so as much as I hope chelsea burns they did nothing wrong (well until 22 23)
City have blatantly flaunted the rules and I hope the Emptyhad gets nuked
@Wink1882 Chelsea were far more established than Man city when Chelsea were taken over by Roman... regularly getting top 4 and winning cups nowhere near the second division like city
@Merovingian1882 😂 broski compared man city and Chelsea back than
Roman took over a Champions League side with previous legends like Gullit, Desailly, Zola, Vialli, Poyet… Man City were a relegation team who’s most iconic players were Richard Dunne and Darrius Vassell…
@@zee1unknown171 man is comparing lampard, terry gudjhonsen, zola, vialli, gullit and hasselbaink to joey barton, richard dunne and steven ireland lmfaooooo
Fergie time winning a title 10 years after retiring congrats sir alex
Winning a title in Fergie Time fr
2011/12 aguero never happened
And he didn't need to buy a ref a Rolex for the win.
Well this means we (lfc) should have won the Premier league 4 times that would take us above united in league wins, so utd want to be thankful too city, absolutely insane like
@Shane Foy No cause United would have 3 more titles..Also mean Fergie wins another title as does Mourinho and Solskjaer 🤣
The worst kept secret, no one should be surprised. Them and PSG both
don't forget chelsea. The original plastic club
@@jdf2100 keep crying🤡🤫
Chelsea have broken no rules
@@emmanuelokokon2342 no point talking to these 🤡’s.
@@jdf2100 keep my club's name out your f*@king mouth 👋💥
Is this lawyer Ai generated
It does look weird 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hope it's ai 😂 man city finds a way to get away with this
Ai don’t do ears apparently
Relegation should be the minimum penalty. Although I think it should be like rangers when they where sent to the bottom of the Scottish football pyramid, city should be demoted to league two
In our dreams they would face relegation. They will just pay the PL good ransom and things would get sorted out.
@@duuley I doubt this will happen this time.round.
They will want to make an example of them. Other clubs will.lobby the PL to take proper action. I believe they are in serious trouble.
@@duuley Chelsea used loopholes in their favour that got everyone's attention and there were discussions of putting other regulations of pl and football. So this move is a statement that we can regulate ourselves since they can't do nothing to Chelsea.
Tranmere said they're willing to swap places with City as soon as it's convenient.
@@duuley no club in English football history has done what man city potentially have... They need to face a hefty punishment
Massive financial penalty, points deduction, relegation, transfer ban, European ban. I'm not really interested in stripping past titles; I don't think it means anything to have a "title" given to you fifteen years after the fact. Everything else is a relevant penalty going forward, not trying to rewrite the past.
If City just get a slap on the wrist, the government should impose an independent oversight body on English football because clearly the league won't police itself.
Your comment made me laugh out loud. You’re just a random internet guy on his keyboard talking about how you don’t want a premier league champions medal. Like who are you to have an opinion? You’re not even an athlete bwahah
Agreed too harsh taking away past trophies all they should do is a big fine and relegation to the championship.
Its not about it meaning something to the 2nd place team. Talk about missing the bigger picture.
@@zee1unknown171 you mean like they do with Olympic Medals? If you won the medal by cheating and you get to keep the medal then the medal has no integrity. But it’s less about the medal and more about a public stripping of the title. If you are found to have cheated to win the title - and you get to keep it anyway - then the title has no integrity. The issuing authority of the title has no integrity. Everyone has to accept that the EPL is no longer a fair league, it is just “reality tv” entertainment scripted to look like real life when in fact it fake.
@@bobness9842 throw the book at them! Set a precedent so Newcastle don't get away with this type of behaviour! No brown envelopes can wipe out those 100 breaches! City are trapped and need to comply otherwise more embarrassment is on the way
strip them of all silverware in the last 9 years, relegate to league 2 and force the oil baron's out. Sounds fair
this goes back to 2009, so it's more than 9 years...
@@brianjacob8728 from 08/09 to 17/18 so yeah, nine years
You are probably a red supporter who is jealous of a good football team like city.
@@colins.lotherington695 I'm jealous of how easy it is to get a ticket to see such a small and unhistorical club in action tbf so you're not wrong
@@ImNocticaThen you’re not talking about City as City have history and attendance as good as anyone
It would make no sense to fine them, as they'll just come up with money from an unknown place to pay it, which is why how they broke the rules to begin with. You need to strip the titles like the would if an Olympic gold medalist was found out to be a cheat.
Relegate them to 4th Div and transfer banned for 10 yrs
Honestly takin one Prem away from them would be enough to mark them as cheats forever the British will never let them live it now i can hear the chants already
Who cares about politics amd regulations just watch the fun competition premierleague👀
im ok with points deduction, 10-15 points
@@keithzengeya5604 they'd likely still get a CL spot with that
3:24 the lawyer looks straight out of Goldeneye on the N64
Its from 2009-2018.
But even after this the alleged cheating obviously affects the coming years 2019-20-21-22 up to now since players they have signed during the offences are still there now or have only just recently left.
The hearing will be in Switzerland again payoffs made again nothing serious will be done Again
Yea, and there's also the possibility that they have gotten better at cooking the books since the scare they got a few years ago..
It’s a continuing offence as they have continually failed to provide disclosure
Give them 100 pts deduction over 5 years, 20pts per season
100 points !!! Might aswell relate them.
@@pubg-blsy3352 14 years of cheating, 100 points is nothing
Sounds severe but City can hit 90 pts easy, what position would 70 leave them in?
@@pubg-blsy3352 If I was the scumbag in charge of city I'd be laughing if I was just relegated. I'd do it for another 10 years in fact
Send them to league 1 where they belong 🤣
Are teams going to start asking for compensation? Think of teams that got knocked out or relegated, and European spots. Serious stuff. Surely they have to be halted from playing immediately? This can't go on for 4 more years!
Yeah they wil ask for compensation for a unfinished verdict. Get a grip and learn how the courts work before you open your gob.
Guessing your a rag , bad numbers and common sense. 🤡
so sour
@@iammeliaskhan how it that sour? Financial resources are vital in football.
To complicated. Other teams will say you don’t know what would happen to a certain team who should be on top instead of city and the score in the games they played might end up different.
All of the compensations will be included in the court hearing
I always felt 'remuneration' was a weird word. Glad to see even a native struggling with it. :D
The accusation seems to be that they were paying Mancini and several players off the books. Surely that renders those players retrospectively ineligible and the games they played in would have to be changed to walkovers. That would mean that Man City would have to have the titles they won - every point they won tbh - to be taken away. If they cheated to win, scrub their names from the record books.
Those are the least serious allegations being made. IMO this is going to explode into a whole other monster involving government and title-stripping will seem trivial
if those are the only allegations that stick they wont get a big fine. mancini was paid 1 or 2 million off the books. in the grand scheme of things that literally nothing. its the other things that are WAY more serious ie fault accounting
They also allegedly made deals with companies at significantly inflated prices. Like making deals with UAE corporations where they got paid way more than market price. Basically laundering money in from UAE through fake deals.
@@Tannhauser108 exactly, it's fraud. Clubs, players and fans have been financially defrauded.
@@thelmaviaduct man, it’s a good thing this didn’t happen in the US. Bankers, regulators, and credit rating agencies defrauded investors, pensioners, and institutions in 2006-2008 with subprime mortgage instruments, and U.S. taxpayers had to bail them out. Good thing we borrowed most the bailout money from China. 😂😂😂😂
If a lowly club did just one of those breaches once they would find themselves down by two leagues
If Man Utd or Liverpool did this they would have the book thrown at them.
@@bighands69 Don't make me laugh 😂
Man City are a lowly club though?
Rangers of the Scottish Premier League got demoted three divisions ......
@@PhilipKerry they got liquidated not demoted
They will get a points deduction in 2024, then appeal, and have it reduced to a fine. Might aswell save us all some time and just fine them now.
Exactly , just like the Uefa ban. It’ll end in a fine
That's why they are scrambling to get a result in before a regulator comes in
I don’t think it will. The FA and the EPL are trying to convince the government not to make an “ofcom” of football and that they’re not corrupt. If they let City off, it could make them look weak and mean the government will definitely create an independent football regulator
Portsmouth got relegated 2 divisions for alot less with alot less eyes on the FA/ pressure on Uefa from other leagues after Chelsea's spending so I wouldn't count on that
You can't appeal a premier league sanction
Was appalled how MCFC were let off so lightly by UEFA and how harsh EFL in comparison towards Derby and Wednesday! We have the greatest league in the world and now is time to prove it has integrity as well as everything else. Need nothing less than a relegation and a lengthy transfer embargo !!
they were let off lightly due to being able to supply evidence to prove themselves innocent
@@cazdoll32 I imagine PL having enough evidence as have pressed the red button opening Pandora’s box!!! Expect Will be a long time but justice must prevail! Points won’t be enough cos would need over 50 deducted to nearly hurt!!!
They were let off beacause the offences were time sensitive and due to statue of limitations, but pl does not have these rules.
Don't forget Leeds United. They got a couple of deductions and languished for years in league one.
The offences that weren't time barred were not proven.
Some of the offences were time barred but there was nothing to suggest they were any different.
there are over 101 charges. They are accusing them of INTENTIONAL misrepresentations. This is NOT entirely clerical errors. That's absolutely absurd. If it was some accidental clerical error when notified they'd have submitted proper docs and that would be the end of it. They have charged them with obstruction. That's intentional. They've been charged with lying about how much they were paying both the manager and their players. That's not clerical. This is serious misrepresentation accused of here.
115 charges.
Few days ago - Pep calls out 9 PL Clubs writing to PL to have City Banned,while Chelsea spend 600M
Few days later - PL Sanction City
Coincidence,Corruption?😂
It’s going to be big what they get. One of the biggest stories in premier league history no doubt . There’s no way the premier league would openly make it this big of a thing if they weren’t going to impose very harsh sanctions , I’d be very worried if I was playing for or supporting city right now
No quite the opposite .. FA wants investment in PL as financially healthy clubs make the FA richer and have a knock on effect in lower leugues … in case no one noticed the PL is about making money and lots of it
Nobody supports them. Who gives bugger? Send them down to the National League (north).
@@mark.isthmusrealtys.a.cost9019 stop coping 😂
Both Man City fans are incredibly concerned
@@mark.isthmusrealtys.a.cost9019 bruh the premier league managed fine when City was in the championship!
At the root of all this is how City's biggest commercial revenue comes from a company owned by the club owners...Etihad. This has been the fundamental difference between Chelsea & City. At no time during Abramovich's 19 years did he have one of his company's sponsor Chelsea. Chelsea's sponsorship & commercial revenue always came from companies with no connection to Abramovich.
u are chatting shit....u are allowed related sponsorship.....it just needs to be fair value and uefa/prem decide that
Chelsea operated above board. Most teams did not like them splashing the cash, but the cash came from loans from RA a true sugar daddy, not fake revenue.
if man city got the evidence to give against these breaches they would give but dont
This is the reason City didn't peform well lately, maybe they had this issue in the dressing room.
Also explains why Liverpool have been performing poorly - all the players are like, “we gave 200% last 4 years but got screwed out of 2+ titles because it’s a rigged system nobody does anything about. Why bother.”
yes there been told the back hand payments have been stop
@@turunturun no you promfining poorly because of Klopp refusal to deal with defensive issue over is time has a manager and talk about a rigged system please you part rigged system in stopping other clubs breaking the stranglehold the big six have over the premier league, Liverpool are no better than Man C in being corrupt at times
@@daniellastuart3145please explain how Liverpool are as bad as city at being corrupt oh wise internet historian?
@@turunturun So what about Arsenal then? Suddenly this season they have been doing so well.
How did he know what questions was being asked without his ears
LoL 🤣👍earless 😆138 Phoenix ... love from the Archaix family💚 ((( man city will get away with this)))🤔
Telepathy
Man city to the premier league: "So how much to make it go away" 😂😂
Sadly that is probably what will happen
Name the price 😂😂😂
Rules are rules. It is even more important to hold the rich and powerful to the letter of the law or the rules become pointless. Throw the book at them.
What makes this case most egregious is that everyone could see City were full of sh*t
Everything is equal unless you've got a bottomless pit of money.
I heard they won't strip them of their CL titles.. so unfair.
😅😅😅
What CL title 😳
They will get a points deduction that will be appealed which they’ll win and they will just have to pay for the premier league committee’s Christmas party
Can’t appeal whatever consequences if any is ruled over them
@Super City you can't appeal a Premier league ruling full stop. No high cort, nothing
@@bobness9842 They can appeal to another panel set up by the same commission
@@Britishgeohistorian You really think the PL has that much authority?
The Tax office might be next in line to look into some of these issues, especially player and manager remuneration.
Hmrc are already investigating a pl club for avoiding tax on player salaries. To be fair though they have not said who so may not be city.
Relegate them... the FA needs show it has some balls and some integrity
The FA doesn't run the Prem.
The FA does run the Championship and the rest of the leagues, however.
If City does get kicked from the Prem, then the FA could refuse to let them in the league at all.
Now that would be a show of strength.
They are separate entities.
And this is exactly why the FA isn't handling anything there. It will be handled by "independent" people (who come from the same walks of life as City's owners, but that's just a coincidence).
Woow , i have a feeling that Man city is done. This is Big.
Eras come to an end - Erik Ten Hag
We had no idea the violence that man had planned
It will rain one day as well
This is man united plans to win more title 😂
They're not getting away with it.. something will happen. Can't wait...
No way. I commented earlier about the inability to pronounce remuneration, now my guy's suddenly putting extra emphasis on every time he says it. Does this mean they actually look at the comments?
No, you're just an egomaniac
Well. I have no idea what the lawyer beyond agreeing with every question he was asked. He cleared nothing up. Made no useful comparisons to Rangers or Juve. Waste of time.
This lawyer is clearly sitting on the toilet…that webcam background isn’t fooling anyone 👀
Let's start from 1887 and ensure the Premier League charges every club that has breached the Financial Fair Play (FFP) rules introduced in 2024, including Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, etc.
14 year ban from the premier league... i think ill enjoy it, i think i deserve it...
There's no way that's his body under his head.
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Bro that's a violation, I mean you are right though
Wish my hair moved that much, be great for picking up women.
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I thought I was the only one who saw it
I gotta say, the background work on the lawyer screen is priceless. He should be fined for such a bad green screen 🤣🤣
Let’s go further back and investigate United, Arsenal and Liverpool. But they won’t do that, will they? What about Blackburn?
Pure and utter witch hunt.
Any club found cheating financially in a football competition should be stripped of their titles won in that period.
Would stop it overnight. Forget transfer window bans and fines, does nothing.
Strip the titles.
And we would win them all back 😂😂😂
Strip mancunian in fergi era
We are going to aggregate a long list of various rule violations dating back from 2009 and throw the book at you now? Bizarre
Derby county and Sheff Wednesday fans should start a protest immediately . Man City shouldn’t get off from this. They have been cheating for years. If FA fail to handle this issue well, I’m losing interest in football.
Relegation must be the punishment. Punishment must be severe to deter others.
A handful of mistakes can be an administrative error. 100 cases is not a handful
No brown envelopes large enough will wipe out 100 breaches!
100 cases over a decade .what was the pl doing all that time?
@@robeltonash2964 they were obviously watching the situation since 2009, they've been building this case for 4 years
City have refused to provide the documents they obviously had enough and charged them because they feel the case is very strong and justified.
Depends how big your hands are, I mean are they Jeremy Beadle hands or Nephilim hands ?
points deduction and a two year transfer ban
For 14 years cheating?
Of course they want an independent regulator involved, then they’ll get the brown envelopes out to those people checking everything 😢 I’d be gob smacked if they get a massive points deduction or expulsion from the PL
Keep dreaming with that expulsion.
@@pubg-blsy3352 I’d be gob smacked but hopeful 🙏😆
We're all thinking just that, a fine is getting away with it.
There's simply no way they face any kind of meaningful punishment. The system is rigged.
Actually, its in the prems interest to prove or even blackmail the gov to not bring jn individual regulators. the prem are accusing the countries biggest investors of fraud. the gov will kinda be worried about that considering they are trying to get them to invest more
Quite sure Man City had a duty of care to provide accounts which gave a true and fair view under company regulations, anything otherwise is quite serious.
When you claim to have made more revenue than real Madrid with a smaller UK fanbase then spurs, then the alarm bells started ringing for the premier league investigation panel!
It sounds like the lawyer are actually discussing with the owner how much they will get to make this go away.😂😂
Exactly … so biased
Not this time.
Apparently £50m fine, they will accept.
JUVENTUS DID NOT GET A BREAK WHEN THEY WAS DENIED CHAMPIONS LEAGUE SECOND SPOT LAST SEASEON THEY PAYED THE PRICE CITY MUST PAY
Justice delayed (to the rest of the clubs, bar Chelsea) is justice denied
Evidence? Or you just going with the flow?
@Thanbir Al-Azad clearly if ManCity are cleared of all 115 charges then you know that the system is, without a doubt, flawed.
They'll do nuttin'
just deduct 40 points each season from 2009 to now. also find them 50 mill per season from 2009 to 2018 + 1 mil per breach so over 600 million pounds has to be paid in the next 20 years.
The media squeezing as much juice as they can from this
If they broke the rules for 13 years straight that should result in punishment for 13 years and taking their trophies away.
The hearing will be held in Switzerland again payoffs made again nothing serious will be done Again
dosent change the fact they were better than everyone 😂 money dose not mean success look at man united and chelsea spending… takes a well run club coach and team to get citys type of success
@@tenout1083 United DIDNT break rules like Man City so pointless to bring that up
@@tenout1083 are you clapped? take the money away from city and theyre a relegation side....lol
where were they before the money? fighting for middle of the table, they were better than other because they could afford the best.
money DOES mean success.
@@IcarusHUD the best money thats absurd from u mate united spent more than city so if money can give u success it will be definetely united so city played good football and showed who they are in the pitch
One side of Manchester is gonna be REALLY BLUE now.
If they get away with it then it’s a slap in the face to the rest. Teams like qpr, sheff wed, derby, rangers etc faced consequences (less wealthy). City got away with it by hiring too lawyers to avoid uefa ban.
It's fraud, the police should be involved.
Millions of pounds taken from other clubs, players and fans via city's cheating.
I've been waiting for this for a long time now. Tbh I kinda want them relegated, chuck them down to league two or something, let them work their way up again
it needs to be more than that they need stripping of titles cups etc as they have won them with dodgy money used to buy and pay players wages they really couldnt afford and shouldnt have had playing for them which as given them a advantage over other clubs ,clubs have been robbed of titles and cups cos of this and also other clubs have been relegated and lost revenue and players cos of them and there dirty corrupt cheating ,do i think anything will happen not a chance they will buy there way out of it and get the least punishment possible and make the case itself drag on for years which will suit city the legal team and the premier league
@5718applesnack Yes we did. Its been known for many years the PL was investigating City
Gary Neville has recently said “Something doesn’t seem right at Manchester City.”
He was right…
True...but Gary Nevile also takes back hander from Qatar
Points Deduction?
Transfer Ban?
Expulsion?
Something has got to happen
They probably just get a fine
Why did it take so long to bring these charges forward? This has going on since 2009. Talk about slow.
FFP was made to protect the Big Boys so no other club can be bought by someone who wants to improve the club and compete.
Ffp started within years after City were bought
So intrigued as to how this will play out; we need to be mindful that they haven't been found guilty of anything yet. Things "not looking good" doesn't mean guilty and trial by media in just the last 2 years on much more serious accusations have resulted in no action and apparent, innocence. As an Arsenal fan keeping a keen eye on this I feel like a points deduction this season IS NOT the correct punishment. Punishing the past has little to no effect, taking titles away from players that did nothing wrong doesn't sit well with me. I can't imagine Man United and Liverpool players would be that thrilled about getting winners medals for finishing second. They are elite athletes that will see that regardless of potential balance sheet fraud they were beaten on the pitch and a winners medal wouldn't change that.
The punishment must relate to the future and it must be a punishment that can be applied to any future club moving forward. We cannot have the view that "well we won't bother with a fine because its Man City and they won't feel it" - in the event of being found guilty of these charges league expulsion must be on the table given what has happened to teams in the past. Points deductions have been a punishment used against Luton, Derby, Bournemouth, Rotherham, Leeds, Bury and Wigan off the top of my head; I am sure there is more. As far as I know in most cases it was for going into Administration; this isn't even cooking the books or attempting fraud (although some of the clubs were guilty of financial offences). The punishment must be severe enough that no other club looks to replicate what Man City are accused of and I'll be amazed if its only Man City that are under investigation for these charges.
They cheated. Of course they should get titles taken off tbem
Premier league have fcked themselves. They opened a can of worms they never wished to open
THEY SHOULD BE RELEGATED.
Lmaooo sounds like you’re scared bro
In your dreams
Don't be stupid, the most expensive club to be relegated,what did they get with it?
Also Red Flags should have been aware when they posted that they made the most from Revenues
as a Liverpool fan, I respect every club in the league other than City and Chelsea. If City get away with this then it gives Newcastle the green light to get started with buying their way to the league. They need to be heavily fined and relegated to the Championship. The City players have earned their PL medals though over the years so you can’t take that away from them but in the future City should never be winning another PL ever again or at least for a very long time!
And give us our robbed 2 PL titles...
Newcastle have chosen to not follow the footsteps of Man City & Chelsea. They have been quite pragmatic in their tranfer business. Newcastle has now seen the perils of Man City's underhanded practices & will be presented with a more sustainable way to manage its resources & investments. This situation just opens up another spot available in the top 4 in the future.
@@MatSenthul yea I mean Newcsstle just got their money (by the recent saudi takeover) so they will find some other safe ways to remain at the top
@@Harshavardhan-qk5by 3
@@ED-TwoZeroNine yea my bad
Trouble is. these clubs will always find some loophole to keep spending ridiculous money.
Not this time round, the premier league has got them by the throat!
@@mymemories925 This time maybe. But what about in the future with Newcastle. Or currently with Chelsea?
@@mymemories925 Careful you can get a red card for that 🤣😂🤣
@@rorus9530 finding loopholes is literally doing something ethically frowned upon whilst legally correct. So definitely not the same thing. What's legal is legal. That's a problem with the legal framework if anything.
City aren't being investigated for loopholes. These are serious allegations.
Boom boom they eventually got caught.
City now Chelsea next
Keep dreaming 🤡🤫
In your dreams
As Manchester United supporter there is nothing more I would like than to see Manchester City get punished.
But I also love football and I understand that this is not only about City but more importantly about saving our Premier league. The Premier league has to get this right, they cannot afford to muck this up.
And City fans laughed when United brought players on loan. Now,the entire country is laughing at them.
United can't win trophy anymore
Still in a better place than cheating accusations 🤣
@@pranavpradeep9396 shut up
I’m not laughing so no it’s not an entire country
@@paulmartin3946 no,you won't do anything 😂😂😂
If they’re found guilty as charged…..then it’s a massive own goal.
If the only punishment would be a financial one, what difference would it make when they have access to unlimited funds anyway? The only punishment that would affect them in any way is relegation and taking away their Premier League titles, or at least some of them.
I'm wondering if they should also investigate Chelsea, as their spending are not good
after what happened to sheff Wednesday and derby i await the outcome of this, but already know what will happen "nothing"
Relegating them and fining is enough
I can see the EPL not doing a thing about this but a fine they wont have the guts to stand up to City
Trust me bruh there will be harsh punishment! We are talking about man City not man utd! The premier league can survive without man City and Did so for many years! But man utd, Liverpool, arsenal are the clubs that get the most views
It's not the EPL that decides what happens
@@mymemories925 you're just jealous lol no one cares...man utd still spend more than city and fail...liverpool and arsenal are banter clubs...you clowns
@@HowardoColeBrown stfu go and check the table Arsenal 🔴 are number one and they will win the league easily you can cry if you want
@@chbmuhidin8266 arsenal ain't winning squat...you can't even beat spurs for a 4th spot with games in hand...banter fc..you miserable clowns
Thank you very much for the detailed report.. didn't know head or tail about it until now..
Strip them of all titles
Less than 1% people think they are actually getting any consequences.
Look how Chelsea are bending the rules.
These rich companies and lawyers always find a dodgy yet somehow legal but still dodgy way around it.
Meanwhile all the little people get stung all the smaller clubs and just everyday fans
Arsenal started losing matches and now if points are deducted from man city.... everything is going in the favour of man utd 😂
Everyone going to lose more points. GUNNERS !!
Keep dreaming ..
So true 😂
and Man U are sweet and clean , Please there no better, I think they Finances also need looking at as all the big 6
Surely not GUNNERS we play with mostly home grown over the years bro
City fan circa 2008/9: Haters gonna hate!
Everyone else: you got away with UEFA due to a loophole (time restrictions), not because you were innocent, so better pray harder this time! Use a better quality grease.
There seems to be an awful lot of "independent commissions" in the UK whose only role is to... maintain the status quo and keep things going as they are. Like the one on wage negotiations siding with the Tory government. Who seriously believes this is going to be different this time? Maybe the country could develop "independent commissions" as an export product, I am sure trading partners will be hugely interested.
Charge the club, ban transfers for like 2+ years and deduct points! And suspend. Few matches.
Super league here we come. This will make city even bigger
Watch pupunishment will be a fine
A feeling of what happened to rangers springs to mind .
Completely different story.
Rangers folded
It makes no sense that these charges go back so far. PL was so unaware that there was incompliance in the past? That is bizarre.
Meanwhile Chelsea have had to get a new chequebook to carry on there free spending in the summer, HILARIOUS 😂
People seem go forget that and pointing fingers at chelsea🤣
Comparing apples to banana's.
They have not broken any rules and will spend more ,clubs are just jealous tell me any club that wouldn’t want a new owner to come in and refresh the club with new players . Todd Bohly is In investments as his business so he knows how to make money he is no mug. Salty fans “ Chelsea this Chelsea that “ 😂
@@jasonvanzyl652 take it city are the bananas, Chelsea know about the loopholes.
@@ells-aviation I know yh, there smart about it, that's the funny thing about it.
What are the official and final punishments for the infringements
Did you not watch the video? They spelled out all the possible punishments for us.
Damn, this is the kind of stuff that rival fans absolutely love!
City fans and players are going to be jeered and booed for the rest of the season, with chants of "Cheaters, Cheaters" at every game.. 🤣
So they should.
@@Walkalonghere Yea, I'm looking forward to it..
Why limit it to this season?
It should go on for 13 years.
@@yt.personal.identification Knowing how fans hold grudges, and love to pick at scabs, it will probably go on for 130 years!
Always wondered how they made money when a quarter of their stadium is always empty.....all makes sense now.
I think you'll find that all top clubs make most of their money from commercial deals and sponsorships.
I just want a league title for Ole 😢🤣🤣
• Stripped of every honour won dating back from the 09/10 season and awarded to 2nd place or runner up and compensation paid to any clubs that missed out on playing in European competitions or were relegated due to them finishing above them in that time period too.
• Relegated to the bottom tier of English top flight football (League 2)
• Made to start they’re first campaign in League 2 with a -30 points deduction.
• A six window (3 year) transfer ban with no chance for an appeal.
• Banned from EFL and FA cup competitions for 3 years.
• £650M fine (£5M per charge)
That should be they’re absolute minimum punishment.
Go back to sleep you dreamer 😂
My best guess? Nothing will happen in terms of sporting sanctions. Cash rules the world. But if they truly want to be fair, then the club that started the financial doping in 2004 should be investigated too. Very soon there will be no integrity anymore in the game and we will all lose interest because of a few greedy people.
Quality, suppose they better turn the grow lights off
Nothing bad will happen to Citi, becouse of MONEY MONEY MONEY
Ye ikr ppl are just off it