THE 13 MOST OVERRATED TRACTOR FEATURES! DON'T YOU AGREE?!?
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- As with every industry, the tractor world has it's fair share of overrated features and attachments. Perhaps manufacturers are simply trying to differentiate themselves from one another, maybe user requirements have shifted over the years with legacy features left on the machines, or it could be another reason all together. This list comes from my own experience both using tractors on a daily basis as well as a broad customer base that many times expect certain features to be on a tractor or want to have them added to the tractor.
Well, unfortunately, some of these features are standard equipment on virtually every tractor on the market these days, although some are optional. Before you decide you need that feature or attachment, spend some time watching this video and see if it gives you new perspective as it may end up saving you a few bucks along the way. Either way, I love hearing from you guys, so please make sure to leave a comment below, do the same on Facebook and Instagram. As always, if you're in the market for a tractor or attachment, then check out my website, Good Works Tractors!
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I am going to disagree on locking differential. That has helped me in mud, unlevel ground, and moving manure times than I can count.
Colt Knight , i agree I have 4 wheel drive & I used diff lock to get me going in soft ground all the time !
Same here. I had to use it last night in the snow.
Diff is good for loader applications, great video though.
Ive had 4 wheel drive on before and the was no way i was get out of the mud with out locking the diff as well
Your right it does make a big difference when u lock her in.
locking rear diff is one of the most important features on my tractor. no one drives around in 4 wheel drive always. when you start slipping in a pile or on mud etc. it is so helpful to be able to quickly lock the rear end and get going again. with 4x4 you have to stop
and put it in 4x4.
It is worthless to me and I'm in mud all the time.
@@GoodWorksTractors It must be broken then!! lol.
What sort of tractor do you have @Ben Colangelo? My Kubota B8200 and some of the other ones I've looked at recommend stopping before trying to lock diff or you risk shearing the lock pin.
A locking differential is a must when pulling logs in snow.
Or when pulling trees down.
The only point I totally disagree is the rear differential lock, due to the terrain I live in , it is not flat. Even if it was flat you will never regret having the option.
Locking differential on a compact tractor is very helpful! I agree 4WD is more valuable than locking diff especially on a compact tractor. But locking diff is absolutely worth the added cost.
When I was 17 years old and about to leave home to go out into the world; my Ma, spit out some 'bacca juice, turned to me and with squinty eyes said, "Son, I only got one got one bit of wisdom for ya; years from now when ya settle down and get a wife and yer own farm - make sure ya tractor's got locking differential."
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Wisdom
Yep, I have to agree with Colt on the locking differential. It is essential when working on unlevel ground, mud and using the loader.
My '83 Deere has cruise control... it's called a gear transmission and a hand throttle!
Yep, sounds like my '63 Ford
Yep my 78’ f150 and 93’ Deere 8770
What model?
@@warrenfogleman9962 750
@@svtirefire I got a 650
Locking differential is a must driving over rough terrain in the woods, where I use my tractor a lot, other wise you get in a situation where the tractor going over rough ground will have One tire in the front spinning and one in the rear spinning. Stepping on the differential immediately gives the tire on solid traction pulling power. Like I mentioned it is only effective and needed on rough terrain
I am in the woods as often as possible. I use four wheel drive. I never, never need locking rear diff.
Good Works Tractors I’m with Fran I spend 6 days a week working in the woods with my subcompact tractor and even with 4wd I still half to use the diff lock to get out of ditches and mud
New Hampshire wooded hills here. There has been a handful of occasions where I felt like the diff lock is useless. Other situations did benefit from it, but I'd have to give it a 30/70 for effectiveness. Maybe it's because I'm running r4 tires, idk. I dont think r1s have the sidewall to be reliable for loader work in the woods so I don't run them.
i would have to argue about the backhoe. u have no idea of how much beer i have received for having a backhoe in my neighborhood. great video
😂 got me there!
Oh and don't forget, free fuel
Fair point, but i bought a used mini ex for the price of a backhoe and now have two peices of equipment, and beer capacity! Haha
Justin Salamin he means they give him beer to use it
Just this comment alone is the best selling point i've heard for a backhoe 👍
Good morning Courtney. Good episode. Yup, agree on the cruise control - I only use it when I am driving down the road. Respectfully disagree in a BIG way : diff lock. I have been stuck in the mud several times in the forest in the rainy seasons and 4wd just didn't get me out-numerous times. I push that magic pedal and everytime _everytime (did I say everytime - LOL), the tractor just climbs right out. I have a steep hill on my driveway (as you know)- spinning with 4wd in the middle of the snowy/icy incline - hit the magic pedal and the tractor climbs right up many times. And in the few cases I could never make it up, hands down the traction performance with the diff lock was noticeable. Fun episode. Have a good one!
Haha, we've all got our little bit of magic somewhere :) Maybe I don't work hard enough to get myself stuck!! 😂👍😉
Diff lock is definitely a must. Uneven ground with one front tire up. Diff lock worth it. Thanks. Nice job
GP you’re channe was one Ak would watch along with this one and TTWT when I was deciding on my “ride”, good infor from all. Having ended up with a 1025r (I replied to one of your vids about this awhile back, I chose it for simplicity of the quick attach options) I noticed yesterday that the low wheel base can get you bogged down in deeper snow. We got hit pretty good yesterday and when I was in field across the road I was bogged down and thought I would have to shovel it out. I was able to get the tractor movin with out getting out of the seat, but forgot about that rear diff lock pedal. Might have made a world of difference. Keep up the good work all. And, I have a sneaking suspicion this was filmed at least a few days ago. Courtney should have some snow there at his shop.
I would have to agree %100 percent I have a 4x4 tractor climbing step hills or even going down with a trailer full of fire wood would not be possible without my diff lock
I have to agree with the Differential lock. I've used it many many times while I'm in the woods harvesting logs. I would have been stuck pretty bad more than once had I not had a diff lock.
Descending hills w/o using diff-lock can be wild when one wheel breaks traction; it will spin backwards while the other wheel freewheels with you! You'll go right to the bottom... and quickly understand the importance of diff-lock! This is a feature you use BEFORE you need it. Use it mowing side hills too to maintain traction.
I can agree on everything except diff lock. The front axles don't have enough up and down for rough terrain. I have ended up with air under opposing tires more times than I care to remember and only got out with diff lock. As for the backhoe, I would say you are right most of the time. They won't dig in hard ground. I do use mine more than most people would only because we moved where we had soft dirt and not many rocks. So yes I would say most people should not buy one. They so make a great counter weight when lifting (expensive).
I hate to tell you this, but that clock has the words John Deer on it which means you will pay at least $500 to get it repaired
The rear differential lock is indispensable when you are looking for more traction. Say you have one of your rear tires breaking traction in mud, or if you're doing loader work and you start breaking rear traction there. Personally now that I have it I would never want to be without it.
Locking diff is ABSOLUTELY A MUST
A backhoe may appear to be overrated from a money standpoint, but it is certainly convenient to have one and I find it useful on many projects. Over the 20+ year lifespan of a tractor, I think the backhoe will pay for itself.
BINGO!! Well done! At first glance I wasn't going to watch but am so glad I did!
After countless hours of research and videos I bought my first tractor last year. Needed to mow sides of 2 mile dirt road, my 3/4 acre lot and move loads of gravel for the roads around. Ended up with a BX 1880 and if it wasn't for the tremendous financing would have probably bought a JD. Ordered it with Cruise, an extra $115. Was delivered without it so they picked it up 3 months later to install. By that time my 4 point single attach loader hydraulic thingy was leaking every time after reinstalling after mowing. Yes, the cruise was really not necessary at all after mowing without it, yes the single point valve is nice but NOT if it is going to leak, they did fix it and hope it stays that way. Locking diff, never used it yet. Glad now I didn't get Backhoe, I can rent if I ever need it! Steel hood? Personally as a Kubota owner, give me plastic Jack! Great job again!! You may be talking to me about a trade one day now that I've learned so much with using it. TTWT did that comparison and really opened my eyes!! The finance committee has to be begged, ha!
I love the diff lock, has gotten me out many many times. I love the manual throttle, I use it often on a DT tractor,. Thanks for the video
Locking rear differential one of the best features ever put on a tractor
That and a loader I get of mud and snow useing the loader more than I do with the diff
I did not realize that John Deere compact tractors had so many "options" I sell New Holland (LS) and a lot of the options you listed are standard equipment with no option to change it. Great video.
No backhoe? Have the JD 260. I will never again dig a hole or remove a stump by hand! I use it to clear garden beds, edge garden beds, (built a wide blade attachment )remove stumps, level land. Also built a grapple to assist with loading limbs and clearing debris. Does everything that I've asked it to do. Have had it for 12 years without any issues and still use it multiple times a year.
Nice job. As you pointed out, the different features are important to different people. Sometimes it’s “needs and wants.” Thanks for sharing a good perspective.
Yeah, everyone will have different priorities.
Courtney... I agree on most everything, except the diff. lock. I own JDX700 series tractors (2 of them) one two wheel drive, and one 4 wheel drive. I use the 2 wheel drive (with chains) for residential commercial snow removal. The diff lock has helped me many times to keep moving in icy conditions, where just one wheel driving would not do it. With my X739 4 wheel drive, there have been times in muddy conditions the only thing that saved me from getting stuck was the diff lock. Blessings!
Thanks for watching Dave!
Thank you so much for this video. I bought a Mahindra 1538 with began scraper bucket on the back and an optional post hole digger. I bought a used Takeuchi tb016 mini excavator which I really like it'll dig circles around any small tractor with a backhoe on the back. I think you've given some really great advice to people.
If one does not have a 4WD tractor, a locking differential is an absolute must. And having a set of chains around for those rear wheels sure can come in handy (so too for the 4WD's).
I agree.
Locking diff is not designed for flat surfaces let say you drop your front tire off in a hole your suspension is maxed out ur rear tire is off the ground four wheel won’t help u at that point locking diff will apply traction we’re needed
I know that you’re not gonna get every component made in the USA but I’m looking at a two 2 and I am really glad to see that they are now assembled in the USA
We need those jobs here
I can't count the amount of times the diff lock has saved me from getting stuck while the 4wd was already engaged. Also cruise control is great if your spraying or rotor tilling large plots, if your just doing loader work or mowing I can see if being over rated.
I can count the times...0 😂 Thanks for watching!
Personally I use my locking differential quite a bit.
But as for everything else I have a3025E and don't have any options so don't miss them.
I actually like the simplicity because it allowed me to buy new and bigger. And there's far less that good go wrong.
I will say my only complaint with my current tractor is the "loader lift capacity" or lack of.
Best feature for my use that I did have dealer added ,would be the optional "TOP and SIDE TILT "for my Gannon box.
I mainly use my tractor to maintain our 1300ft of dirt road and love the top and side tilt.
I will add to that one option I haven't seen on smaller tractors and would pay for is hydraulic rippers.
it's a real pain to get out and have to turn mine over just for one small area.
Keep the videos coming Courtney great job.
Yeah, the 3e does severely lack on lift capacity.
Great video! New to the tractor world and trying to learn. Appreciate the honesty about some of the marketing points I’m seeing pre-purchase
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Love the video just a couple of things ive been stuck plenty of times in my 1025r with 4x4 on and stepping on the lock diff got me out. I 100% agree on the steel i dropped a pieces of equipment on my hood trying to unload it out of a truck bed when the chains we where using came loose it hit my hood the hood bent in and was in for over 5 minutes while we reattached the chain lifted it up hood popped right back to where it came from. The backhoe attachment was a long thinker for me when purchasing but im 100% glad i did ive done so many things with it that if i didnt have that project wouldn't have been done you are right its expensive but in my case worth every penny i have the 160b and its not perfect like renting one but i have it when i need it and its less than 5 minutes to put on and off but again you are right expensive thanks for all your video's
I am clearly in the minority on diff lock!
Diff lock makes huge difference if your doing anything but working on a flat driveway. Try loading from a pile on softer ground
I use tractors in all sorts of conditions. I simply don't need it.
Or when you have a 2wd tractor
Great video, love your channel & the information you provide & I agree with most of it. Appreciate the time you spend educating us out here. With that said, I have the 2038R & I also as others use the difff lock often to get unstuck and sometimes with a simple push down, don’t need to engage the 4WD. I use E-throttle 90% of the time & would pay extra for it. Do have the easy park loader & you are spot on if you have a mower deck which I do. Upgraded to the quick disconnect to make life easier for the wife & she loves & appreciates it after having the 2025R. Thanks again & just a little feed back for you!
Loved every minute of it!!! Thanks for sharing...
I have to disagree about the locking dif I use it a lot when I’m bush hogging good videos I learn a lot from them
Thanks Rick!
i move a lot of snow. locking diff is a must. i live in the mountains. NOTHING IS LEVEL. i often spend more time with a wheel in the air, than not (ok exaggeration, but i'm always stomping on that pedal, and i'm already in 4wd). Cruise control. i have it, i broke it years ago. i miss it. very useful when scraping ice off driveways. i need the extra downforce from the weight of the tractor. i steer with the split break. Since it's an HST, a need my a foot for the go pedals and a foot for the brake, but they're both on the right. i end up bending over and steering by pushing the split brake with my left hand, right hand on the bucket control and right foot on the go f/r pedal. can't see for s&!@)$&t, but it's what i used to do.
i have since made a split brake handle, that allows me to sit in the seat, and push a lever with my left hand. pull to the left, pushes left brake; right, right brake; pull back, both.
works the trick, but for someone else, i'm sure they'll think it's stupid, just use the damn cruise control, and right foot on the brake, that's what it's there for :D
Great vid, good info. Some good points didn’t agree with all of them but still good and informative.Sub’d
Thanks for watching Andy!
Great video. I like when you talk about controversal stuff. Your opinion is important to me with your experience. Thanks.
Thanks for watching John!
The only one I've got to disagree with is the diff lock. Depending on what you do with the machine of course. We use ours pulling logs in the woods out to access roads and there are actually many times when diff lock made the difference on our 2032. Admitted it's a small tractor for the job but anything bigger doesn't fit well.
Differential lock is essential for contour traction work especially on loose ground because it stops the front of the tractor drifting down hill.
The bottom side wheel has sightly more traction than the top side wheel and that pushes the front of the tractor up hill preventing continuous use of steering brakes.
I use differential lock a lot and would never buy a tractor without it.
Hey Courtney, great video as usual. I do have to comment on the single point connector, I am 67 and have very bad hands and for me it would be so worth it on my 1025R, it is very difficult to plug them in. Also my buddy has a 1025R with a Mauser cab, he is 78 and it is almost impossible to reconnect, we even made some pig tails so he doesn't have to try to reconnect them up under the cab. Anyway just an old guy who would really benefit from the single point. Keep up the good work and the always great information
Excellent video, now the but. I love the quick attach loader on my JD 4520. I till a lot of gardens, move horse manure, and brushhog fields for various customers. That loader is constantly banging up and down when mowing, is often in the way when mowing around various obstacles that are in the field. It is so easy and "quick" to remove and reattach that I would never buy a tractor without it. Great to live in a country where we each of us can buy what best meets our needs. Keep up the good work I learn something new from each of your videos.
I appreciate your input Gordon!
The backhoe is probably my personal favourite attachment, I even spent the extra to get the hydraulic thumb on it - 100% agree this wasn't a cheap attachment! . That said I use this for everything from sinking in corner posts, digging utility lines, holding lumber for my portable saw mill or positioning a heavier board into place for securing. Lets not forget scraping a couple inches of ice off a surface in the winter (be cautions with trailer decks - ask me how I know!). I'm still experimenting with how hard the thumb grips, it's substantially stronger than you'd think and I've snapped smaller tree roots with it and I wouldn't try picking up plastic pipe. It does have it's limitations with weight (seems like 300lbs lifting or so? ) but if you have a sizable chunk of dirt and big plans it's a lifesaver.
My wife and I aren't physically big people so with the machine we can get so much more done with out breaking ourselves. Current setup is a 3038E with front end loader, bucket, bale spears, backhoe and hydraulic thumb, quick 3PH, chipper and 3 point hitch mower.
2025r Sounds like Michigan is kinda flat. I use my dif lock almost every time I’m on the tractor. This tractor is used for logging, mowing trailer towing & stump grinding just to name a few. About a year old with 270+ hours on it.
The cruise control is a must for travel.
Regarding loader joy stock placement, I can tell you that pulling a 1 hour shift plowing snow I’m super happy with it placement on my 3046r
Thank you for an excellent and informative video. It helped me a lot.
Glad it helpe, thanks Darren!
Also disagree about the diff lock and use it just about every time the tractor comes out. You get noticeably more digging power. Wouldn't want a tractor without it!
I wish it was on an electrical switch rather than a pedal that disengages when you take your foot off. Would be nice to turn it on and off like my ATV.
Locking rear diff makes a big difference with a larger 2wd. Not even talking a really big tractor. The locking diff helped my on the Ford 1910 and Kubota L2501.
The tires on that 1910 were the diamond turf tires. Those were terrible in snow. The multi trac turf do great in snow and like to pick up and carry mud.
Feature I would like to see. A heated seat on an open station tractor. Some day maybe I will treat myself to a cab tractor.
Good video.
Courtney, I agree with most of these, EXCEPT auto-throttle and differential lock. Before buying my 2032R, I was hesitant because of the lack of a medium range gear(like Kubotas). I find that with the auto-throttle I can set the throttle in low gear for loader work and just push the pedal to move material faster. I love it. Also, differential lock has allowed me to climb snowy hills that I could not climb in 4WD alone. I use it often. Cheers! Great video.
Thanks for watching Kevin!
were planing getting a L6060 a 62hp kubota loader for our sidewalk snow clearing
You must have wide sidewalks wherever you're from :)
@michaelmactavish1728 good lord man
Not exactly a good comparison to a subcompact, but the diff lock on my x500 is indispensable. While mowing I often get into a situation where I need to reverse uphill on grass. Without the diff locked one tire would just spin and I’d be stuck.
I had a situation in the winter snow where if I didn’t have the rear locker, the tractor would have been immobilized in a place I would like to avoid. I don’t have another piece of equipment that could have rescued the tractor. Since then, I’ve just tried to avoid that situation and plan ahead. While it’s something I don’t need often, 🤷🏻♂️ I’m glad I had it.
I also thought a quick attach loader was a must, but I never take it off so I probably could have skipped it but - Seems almost all of these have it now anyway.
I would agree with you on all your points except for one. I like the e throttle on the hydrostatic. I am both gear and hydrostatic tractors with loaders. The e Throttle allows me to use the tractor without always adjusting the throttle thus keeping it from what I call a " screaming engine". I set the throttle at a certain rpm for the loader function and e throttle allows me to move the tractor back-and-forth at a faster speed when I push paddles down further. Thank you for an excellent video!
I'm new to e-throttle and that is exactly how I use it. Great plowing snow.
Personally I hate push button/pull knob PTO engagement. There is no way slowly engage the implement by letting the PTO clutches slip a little to let the implement get up to speed. If I am at full throttle I can snap the shear bolt on my bush hog when engaging it and trying to get it up to speed. Plus I feel its over engineered for something a simple lever could do.
Yes I agree. Most of the time when this happens it's my own doing. I have a ditch I can only mow one way. Shut the mower down when traveling back and forget to throttle down. I will say with my lever engaged PTO on one of my tractors I can slowly engage the PTO and not have an issue. Even at 1500 rpm it still shocks the driveline pretty good when the blades are out of plane and in the breakaway position until it speeds up.
I have a new BX2380 with a front blower, heated cab and rear blade and when I ordered it I specified Turf tires so I wouldn’t have traction issues blowing snow. I had mud tires on my truck similar to R4’s and they were brutal in the snow and ice so I told the dealer to put Turf tires on. I’ve had no issues so far this winter. I leave my Kubota BX in 4wd and even in deep snow I haven’t had to use Diff Lock. I guess if you’re in the bush it is a good feature but I’m on pavement and I’ll never use it! I’ll also never use the Cruise feature. Great video we are getting a little snow tonight here in Soo, Ont. so the Kubota is going to get a workout in the morning.
I think in some ways, the turf tire is underrated. When it comes to surface traction, they really are hard to beat. I think that where they fail is the digging or paddle type of traction like pushing/pulling on open soil, most especially mud. The tight, shallow tread pattern doesn't move much material especially when the tread pattern fills up and doesn't clean out real well.
Great video with lots of good information to think about when buying a tractor. I recently retired from running a Cat 980 M loader with the regen system and I would not like one on a tractor. I had to add the def fluid and every 5000 hours it had to be burned out at a cost of $5000. What are they like on these small tractors?
No DEF in these tractors
My '99 4400 has all plastic panels and though, they look really good still they need to be replaced now. The panels haven't been damaged but the points where they are attached to the tractor are all broken. Probably the 20 years of vibration. Hood, instrument cowling, front grille all have fallen apart. Side panels too and I dread having to replace the fenders.
I use the cruise control often.
The diff lock has saved me on multiple occasions.
I think his point was that plastics have come a long way. Your "99" is 20+ years old. Back in the day, most plastics shattered quite easily. I don't have first hand experience with the plastic on a tractor made in the last 5 years, but understand what he is saying that the technology has changed. Most likely a side by side test of your tractor from 1999 and a new tractor, last couple of years, and they do the bowling drop test; the results would be quite different.
Your presentation for the most part was spot on. However, over the last 47 years of owning both 2WD and 4WD tractors of all sizes, I have never once owned one that didn't have a differential lock and it is my opinion from all of my experiences, they are a must have feature.
Awesome truthful review. Thank you so much!
I like the lighting mounted on the turn signals and fenders; where'd you get those?
Good info, especially your take on “American made” tractors. I think this was very informative
Thanks for watching Tim!
I agree. I’m in Australia so don’t have a bone to play as we don’t even make lawn mowers here. However when mowers were made here they used engines made in Japan or the U.S.A.
My understanding is that all compact tractors are made in Asia, and bid on by the US companies to brand them thier brand. Only the higher margin large farm tractors are made in the US anymore
Haha it's funny you say that about the Kubota B3350. I saw one here in Florida that had a major meltdown. Apparently so much heat built up in one during the Tier 4 burn cycle, it burned up the engine compartment and burned up the cab melted the whole thing. This was practically a really new tractor, just melted down. Fortunately my B3200 won't have this problem.
I really enjoy your videos. I did agree with pretty much everything you said. I have not had much need for the diff lock, but I can see it being useful with uneven ground. I have found the use of my loader the best tool for getting unstuck by curling the bucket combined with 4 wheel drive. I do like the size of my 3520 combined with the 300 CX loader for moving snow and dirt around my acreage. Also it operates the post hole digger amazingly well, so I like having the 37 hp and general frame size of the 3520. I am currently debating with bolt on forks to my loader with a spreader bar....actually rated higher than the Frontier. 3500 lbs vs 4000 lbs.....and obviously realize my tractor cannot lift those capacities. The difference in price is approx $1000.00 CAD. The other attachments I am seriously considering are the aerator and land plane.
Great vid...very informative....thank you....
Thanks MM!
Great Video !! Thank You for a ton of info to consider ! Personally i see what your saying about the backhoe my thought has been if I'm going to buy a sub compact tractor might as well get the backhoe with it .... Better to have and not need it then wish I had it time and time again .... My buddy told me its a must have as he always finds projects where he's glad he bought one ... But I do agree totally with you .... 1# reason I haven't bought a tractor yet is over all justifiable cost ... Now I really got to think about everything allot more ... Again Thank You very much !!
Thanks for watching Jimbo! Yeah, I want to make a point to say, get it if you want it. Either way, you win...really cool attachment or you save a bunch of a money 👍😎
I’d never buy a tractor without a quick attach loader, or diff lock. The loader is on and off our tractors all the time from winter feeding to summer hay work and the diff lock is used all the time. I agree with you on the metal panels though.
Thank you for your presentation. I learned quite a bit from you. If I understand you correctly, I come to you and explain what I need to do with my tractor for my 14 acre "farm" and we fit the tractor and its attachments to the job, including future needs so that I can purchase proper equipment for the tractor as needed. This because it is more cost effective and with your guidance, I will not have equipment sitting around wasting money and cluttering my shops and storage sheds. I wish you were in my area, mostly because you seem to be down to earth. I grew up around the farm in the fifties and sixties. I use a McCormick farmall tractor, Super H with a converted hydraulic loader. It is not a quick detach unit so when I use my Wards draw bar flail mower, the loader is still attached. Since it does not have power steering, it is sometimes difficult to turn if you are not moving. My son farms with big and small green equipment so I hear the, Dad, when are you going to give up that "old" red stuff and get some modern equipment. Answer? I grew up with this type equipment and I like it. My tractor and mower cost me $2100.00 in 1996. About 4 times what it cost in 1955 or so when it was new. It had been restored and made so it would use the unleaded fuel right before I bought it. Work was done by an International dealer with their knowledge and parts. I have a couple old 2 or 3 ton wagon running gears and that is all. Like you said, don't waste money. Oh sure, I would love to have more modern and efficient stuff, but I can not justify the cost. Thanks for the blog. Great job
Thanks for watching Allan!
You nailed it.. except (sorry man!) For the locking diff. I maintain 4 hilly upstate NY acres with a 1023e, I tap that pedal quite a bit. Now...if it had independent brakes like my 318 did...you'd be correct. Great Vid! Thanks... How about a 10 underated features/options/attachment video? That would help new tractor owners a lot too!
I understand your point on the back hoe.I personally could not live with out one.The last 2 tractors I have had ,have had a hoe, last year I dug 700' of the ditch in the woods and adjoining property .Just an example it aided in moving numerous boulders on to a skid.Lets not forget stump removal etc.But everyone is different with the use of one.
As I see it its easy to hook up and go besides going and renting one wasting time in that fashion.
I agree on the backhoe, especially on sub compacts.In addition to cost, it really beats up a BX or 1025R. In my area, renting a mini excavator works out to around $200/day
great video a lot of things I never really thought about. I own a hobby farm that we use a tractor daily on we also make hay. I own JD and Kubota but we have all gear driven tractors. but it was very informative and interesting, and it opened my eyes to a few things. great video.
Damn. A LOT of information! I'm impressed with the knowledge and practicality though! Totally enjoyed this video.
BACKHOE??? LOVE MY BACKHOE!!!!! Every time I use my backhoe I consider what it would be like digging stumps, trees, rocks, HOLES!!! I’ve never taken my backhoe off and never will! For me, 100% in love with my backhoe!
I blow 27' of snow a year, much more when you consider the snow that blows in and fills the 3/8 mi drive every time the wind blows. You would be a frozen popsicle, covered in a drift without a locking differential. And that's with Ag tires, 4WD and chains.
Great advise. Saving people money. You really know your stuff.
Great episode, really informative.
SS quick attach for me is a nice feature because I like to rent attachments that I don't necessarily want to own for a once in a while use. Most rental company's rent the quick attach style accessories such a front post hole digger, pallet forks etc. And like other's have said, the diff lock has gotten me out of some situations where the 4 wd was not enough. Just my 2 cents.
Disagree on the locking diff but you’re pretty much on point on the rest of it. Nice video.
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Great video! Lots of good points. Going to echo a couple comments. These modern compacts need more storage space! Above all they need rear ballast in the tires or wheel weights if you have a loader. A 3 point weight box is just a hassle and hard on the 3pt hitch cylinder. Not to sound wacky but rear ballast can mean life and death! Thanks for the video.
Thanks for the most informative video on attachments .
I live on a grain farm so drive a variety of different size of tractors.
Differential lock comes in very hand no matter if it is 2wd or 4wd. I will admit most people if on a fwd tractor tend to turn it on before using the differential lock.
As far as the quick loader removal I tend to like where I can remove it. It gets annoying going around and around especially bush hogging around fence with the loader on the front. I drove them for years before this was an option and would hate to go back especially on a Utility size tractor.
As far as plastic versus steel. I prefer the steel hood but would like the option to be able to get plastic or steel. The place I see being the better option in a salt environment and if you are around a lot of tree limbs. They put these plastics hoods on 200+ hp tractors and they are cracking and cost thousands to replace. On a tractor this size there is no need for a plastic hood because you are not going to be beating it up. We have an old John Deere GT 235 garden tractor and the hood needs to be replaced on it and it never sits out. The plastic just gets brittle over time. I would say its fairly good up to five years of age but after that it starts getting brittle. If you dent a metal hood you can take it to a body shop and they can get it looking new in most cases pretty easy or find one at a junk yard if its an older machine. So basically unless your accident prone, or your in a heavily wooded environment, and not the best using a loader the metal will be around 100 years and just need paint.
American vs foreign parts. Most of it comes down to getting the part as cheap as possible but a few years ago I read an article that claimed in today's times by the time they pay all the freight and additional cost to get it back to the USA they are not saving basically anything and in some cases we can produce it cheaper. A lot of these other countries including China are wanting a better way of life and the people are getting a bigger piece of the pie than they did six years ago. Another reason they like to buy foreign parts is so they can sell there equipment in that country. A lot of people don't realize that but some times it boils down to we will buy your tractors if you make parts for them in our country (trade).
The R4 tire argument I agree 100% with. They will do any job but not a master of any. Probably one thing I would say they are better at than the rest is that since they are an industrial tire they tend to be a lot tougher to puncture than a normal tire. I have ran my skid loader through all kinds of stuff and have yet to get a flat. We have the industrial tires on our 1025R but our bigger tractors are all ag tires.
That's a good point, on the parts sourcing. What he didn't really touch on here is the other side of the global manufacturer coin: they market and sell their products in many different countries all over the world. It just makes sense to produce them in multiple locations. And, since you crossed that hurdle, may as well have those plants specialize in specific lines or types- as it streamlines the process- and again saves on costs. Say, produce your value line(s) in locations with cheaper costs- and lots of customers with relatively thin wallets. Mexico and India come to mind. If that location happens to also be a major market for that type of machine- like India and utility size tractors- so much the better. Big power on a smaller frame, with excellent options like front hitches/pto, etc? Hey, why not make them in Germany? Smack dab in the middle of the European market- where that type of tractor is needed far more than big frame units.
I had r4 tires on my bx23, I liked them, wore them out and seen the price for new ones. Put ag tires on much cheaper and they are ok. I thought the r4 tires were better until I read this, thanks.
I really enjoy your videos. I’m getting ready to buy my first tractor and these videos are more helpful than you’ll ever know! Thanks for taking the time to make these!
I bought a Kubota B3030 with a B77 backhoe in 2008. I don't regret buying the backhoe at all. Granted, it sits on my steel dolly many months a year without use but when I need it I have instant access to it. I actually have at least on good project every summer so it comes in handy. This was a really nice presentation with many interesting thoughts. Thanks.
I like true raw honesty. I feel your videos supply this insight. I watch people try to over sell items that a person would not need or use very often. I feel you (RIGHT SIZE PEOPLE TO THE MACHINE). I have a BX2370 and I use it for so many prodjects. My neighbor says watching me run my BX "IT's like an extension of your hand you have just the right touch" . I like hearing that but I make mistakes like you have pointed out in other videos, we are all human. My neighbor was looking for a new tractor similar to what I have, but he has some mild medical conditions and hills I don't have. I tried talking him into a Sub compact John Deer do to the true drive over deck and the ability to disconnect the loader from the seat area, not to mention he can then use the loader arms to latch onto the deck and lift it for easy maintenance. I felt in his situation it would be the least amount of stress on his body. He now owns a beautiful B series Kabota, I love it but I think it is the wrong tractor for his particular uses to high of a stance for hills over kill for mowing. I say this because he only has the belly mower and that is all he is planning on using it for. Makes you wonder HHHHMMMMMM.
Thank you again for your honesty and true frankness.
Loader joy stick: I hate my fender mounted joystick, when I backup looking over my right shoulder my leg hits the stick and dumps the bucket.
We've got a 5320 4wd on the tree farm, and yes, locking diff is absolutely necessary if you don't want to walk a mile up hill back to the house to get the truck with the winch, if it can even get down to where the tractor is. Specifically bush hogging trails, or skidding logs.
Great video, interesting on your point of view on the " over rated " items. I never had thought of some of them, ie. cruise control, differential lock, and the plastics verses steel. It makes you think , and would have given me different point of view when I bought my JD 1025 R . Not that I am second guessing my purchase, but maybe thought differently on some of the included items on the " R " model. Still wouldn't trade nor sell my tractor. I have had it since Nov 2019 and have only 13 hours on it so still new !
Thanks for your insights, muchly appreciated.
Rick
Hey Rick, thanks for chiming in!
I think you make a lot of good points and I agree on most of your overrated features. I don't recall ever using the Diff Lock, but the R4 tires, loader QC and the auto throttle are a requirement for me.
But, the reason is they fit my needs, not everyone has the same terrane, jobs and situations. All in all, you make a lot of sense and it is food for thought when shopping for your next tractor.
I only own 3 acres, the locking differential is pretty sweet. I have used the backhoe about a dozen times in 6 months. I plan on building a house, I'm thinking the back hoe will pay for itself during that process. But it was stupid expensive, but hopefully I can keep the tractor running 20 to 30 years
I do not want to start an argument, just wanted to share why I think a differential lock has saved me from getting stuck in 4wd with a full bucket load. I tried everything I could to get out of some mud with a full bucket load and 4wd was not working. I tried pushing the bucket into the ground to push the tractor back, emptying the buck and the pushing, and just could not get out. I picked up my load again and looked down at the floor surrendering to defeat and saw the differential lock and realized I had not tried it.
So, I push the throttle up to 2k again stomped on the differential lock and dropped the clutch. The tractor bounced like a beach ball as it kept lunging in out of the mud and then next thing I knew I was back on solid land with a full bucket.
I did that for the rest of the job I was doing and I got out every time. Got the job done and felt like an idiot for not using it sooner.
I hope that helps someone and maybe you now know of a situation where it does help to have one especially if it comes standard on a model.
No worries, I don't need it. I do work on just about every terrain condition found in Michigan.
I definitely agree with the steel hood comment. I was carrying a loader full of firewood rounds, approx 75 lbs each, and when I raised the loader to dump on a pile, one piece slid back off the top of the stack and bounced on the hood of my almost new 1025r, less than 50 hours. I was about sick until I got off the tractor to inspect the damage. A slight scuff on the paint but I was able to buff that out in no time. Man, I am glad that wasn't steel.
Reading all the comments below you created quite a stirr LOL and that's good. Good stuff, Larry
Haha, I know! Geez, never know what will rile people up. Oh well :)
Great video. I can’t disagree with any of those opinions. You wouldn’t work well selling directly for John Deere or kubota. But you’d stop a lot of people from making stupid purchases. You’d have customers for life with that honesty.
Happy to be independent!
Horsepower is the absolute most misunderstood and OVERRATED piece of purchasing a tractor. It basically has no bearing on the unit other than if you are going to be primarily using it for pto implements. And seems to be the first thing people talk about.
Totally agree
We have an orchard and width followed by turning radius, a cab to control spray/ppe over heating us in summer, are well above hp
Yeah well what else do you own a tractor for. Most people don't just buy a tractor to have a FEL. They actually use it for work.
I agree with you on every point. Especially the horsepower. My 3025e has done everything I have ever asked it to do. It is the biggest little work horse you could ever throw at burn piles, box blading, loader work and more. I have to say it. The grapple is the best implement I have on my 3025e. Thanks for the video.
Great video, hope to see u soon for a brush crusher. Thanks
Thank you sir!
I was watching this video and had a couple of things that I had serious disagreement with. First was cruise control on a hydrostat. I do a lot of grading with a back blade etc. being able to touch the cruise and go is an very important feature. I also use the locking rear differential on a regular basis. with a 4x4 tractor and even more on my 2x4 tractors. I also have the auto throttle and use it a tremendous amount for loader work from moving big bale hay to bucket loading. the auto throttle allows me to run at idle when I am doing fine work, like slipping between bales to move hay etc. it then auto throttles to travel speed when I step on the direction peddle. I am not a novice tractor operator. I have about 30,000 hours of tractor operation. I do enjoy your videos, but those items are a major miss on your part!
Haha well that's your opinion just like I've got mine. You're wrong, I'm right. 😂 Just kidding!
Diff lock is great when back blading as it holds you in a straight line if your front wheels are off the ground.
Question i want to purchase a 1025R and drive a generator. The auto throttle seams like it would be a great option. Can you give me any advice.
I like your honest approach to your videos. I agree with most if what you expressed here on this video. However, for someone like me, who had his rt shoulder replaced 5 yrs ago...the fender mount for the hydrolics would save me a lot if pain and fatigue.
Understood, thanks for watching!