CLEAR WINNER? JOHN DEERE 1025R VS KUBOTA BX23S TRACTORS! 🚜
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- Compare a John Deere 1025r tractor vs Kubota BX23s tractor. The John Deere 1025r tractor in this video is a 2018 model equipped with a model 120r front end loader, 260b backhoe, and 54" AutoConnect mower deck. The Kubota BX23s tractor in this video is a 2017 model equipped with an LA340 front end loader, BT603 backhoe, and Easy Over 60" mower deck. Both the John Deere 1025r and Kubota BX23s tractors are the absolute cream of the crop in the subcompact tractor world. They are feature rich and stand out above all other competition. It's no wonder either considering they offer easy to use quick park loaders, quick attach buckets, drive over mower deck systems, and well designed backhoes.
In this video of the John Deere 1025r and Kubota BX23s, I will do my absolute best to provide an independent overview comparing the features shared by both tractors, highlighting the differences between the two models, and giving those manufacturers my complaints about what they should have as available options or standard equipment. So, if they are watching, then I hope they listen! Everyone watching would love to hear your thoughts on the subject whether you own a tractor or not! So, please leave a comment below, give me a thumbs up or down, and consider subscribing to my channel! Thanks for taking the time to stop by and I hope you enjoy!
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Pretty solid comparison video. Thanks. 3 years ago I was in the market for a subcompact tractor to help with landscaping in my modest but complex (just under .5 acre) lot. Even though I never had owned a tractor myself, I'd always been a big lover of green...you know...several toy JD tractors as a kid, haha. The video does a great job in pointing out many of the little pros and cons one has over the other. Most of them are fairly minor and come down to personal preference, for example, in my case I preferred metal hood, panels, and fenders over plastic.
I started my search at a nearby dealer that sold both the New Holland and the Massey. I quite liked the looks of the blue NH. The salesman, however, discouraged me away from the NH saying they were newer to the subcompact market and that they had seen several problems with the NH tractors they had sold and that the Massey had much better reliability. I strongly considered the Massey then and there.
Before I settled, I figured I would look at the Kubota BX23S. I checked with one local dealer first and then a rural area dealer about 90 minutes away. I took it for a little test spin in the field nearby and I quite liked it. He offered me the BX23S AND a box blade for about $2300 less than the local dealer did for the BX23S alone. Game over. I didn't even make it to the John Deere dealer. That was Sept. 2019. Fast forward 3 years and 138 hours and I still love my tractor. It has been a great machine, with only 2 minor issues: 1) a loose throttle handle I was able to fix/tighten myself in less than 5 minutes, and 2) a detached FEL joystick that I was able to fix with a $15 part and about 45 minutes of labor.
If the FEL capacity of the JD really is about 500 lbs more, then that could be a big deal to some people. But then again we didn't really hear what the lift high and dump capacity was. I'm sure that weight is much less for both. But for most guys, I think the main function with the FEL is going to be scooping, lifting up, and dumping dirt. Regardless, I'm sure the extra capacity on the JD would come in handy sometimes. But my experience has been unless I have an extra full scoop of extra dense dirt, which may cause it to strain a bit getting it out of the pile, 95% of the time the capacity on my BX is just fine. It generally can handle what the scoop can hold volume wise. If you need to scoop more dirt at a time, you probably need a bigger tractor and a bigger bucket.
Quite a few JD guys have commented on their disfavor of treadle pedal. I can't really comment on the two pedal system on the JD, but the fact is I love the treadle pedal and it's ease of use and it's surety to not hit the wrong pedal/way when maneuvering (particularly backwards). I have found it to be very straight-forward, simple, and fantastic. I haven't had any ergonomic issues with it.
Simply put, I'm amazed at how much such a small tractor can do. I'm sure I would have been happy had I gotten the green one, but I know I wouldn't have gotten the screaming deal that I got with orange one. It's a great machine. It's a blast to drive and still every time I get on it I'm grinning ear to ear.
I am a firm believer in the treadle peddle. If you're backing up and twisted around to see where you're going it's real easy to put your foot on the wrong side by side peddle. I have done it. I now have the Kubota BX2380 and love it. No green for me.
Glad to hear it. I still hate it, haha!
Amen to the air ride seat, draw bar, the premium three point hitch system and an upgrade on the grille guard.
Thanks for watching Don!
My first mod for my 2025R was LED light upgrades. Incredible improvement! Thanks for the info
Awesome!
I had a BX2360 Kubota without the drive over deck and disconnecting/reconnecting the deck PTO is a real pain. You have to lie partially on the deck reach under the deck with one arm (can't get both in there) slide the locking collar back and push the shaft on. Since the locking collar goes toward the front of the machine and the shaft slides on toward the rear you're trying to push in two different directions with the same hand.
The JD 1025R I have now has a drive over deck and quick attach PTO and it's a piece of cake to remove and install
I also had a Kubota B3350- never buy one of these, they have an exhaust filter regeneration system that doesn't work, the tractor just quits in the middle of the regen. and you have to let it completely cool down then restart and do a parked regen, so 2 hours to regen while it is parked. It spent a ton of time in the shop, I traded it in with only 120 hours on it. From what I'm heard this affects all B3350s and wasn't just my tractors issue.
One comparison I’d love to see someday is a more detailed look at the backhoes with real world uses, the John Deere 260b from a 1025r/2025r vs Kubota bt603 from a box, and the bh70 found on a b2301/b2601.
Great comparison. Thanks!
I appreciate it, have a great day!
I have to say I absolutely love my 1025r. An thanks to your channel it helped push me into getting it last fall. But I have to say as much as I love it. I have been out done by a BX before. When it come to living in the middle of a busy city the bx is the way to go. It just fits into all kinds of places that I couldn’t get my 1025r into. With my 2 acre yard an pond the 1025r is perfect for small country property’s. Keep up the great work. Love the channel
Always fun watching these comparisons between tractors. Reminds me of the old Chevy versus Ford trucks debate when I was a kid. LOL. I always end up learning a little bit more than I knew before. That being said, they all seem like great machines. I ended up going with neither of these two brands (getting a Massey) and I am very happy but both of these also seem great. Maybe I’m just easier to please, but I always ask myself “is it easier than a pick and shovel?“ and of course if you go with that simple logic, your gonna be pleased every time. LOL 😆 Like many before have said, it often comes down to your comfort level with dealer support. I know many of these little tractors don’t have a dedicated “drawbar“ but they often at least have a thick steel plate back there with a hole punched in it to at least pull a wagon. Maybe this is lazy, but I would love to see at least a light duty towing option on the back of the Backhoe to still pull a cart or wagon, without taking the Backhoe off. People make a big deal about ease of adding and removing the loader, but the truth is I’ve never taken mine off since I’ve gotten it. So many things I was comparing before my purchase, ended up not mattering at all, and the things I wish I had, I never even thought to look for. It’s a continuous learning experience. Fun video. Thank you! 👍😊
Great point about dealer support, I totally agree!
I just got my 1723eb awesome unit about 4-5k less than the kubota about 8-9k less than the Deere
Thanks, always helpful to have the info.
Great review as always Courtney, thanks for the effort!
Thank you sir!
The biggest thing I like about the kubota is the pedal. Heel and toe. Forward push backward heel push. Its just so natural. I have a JD garden tractor as well i use for snow removal and im constantly hitting the wrong pedal. I really like kubotas system for that. IT may be the deciding factor on whether or not i get a bx or 1025
Thanks, always good information!
Thanks for watching!
Hello sir, I like this video a lot, but there was two important things you left out, price ,and the dealer itself.I realize you are just comparing the tractors themselves but the dealer's attitude can make or break a deal. I started shopping for tractors about 3 months ago, I started off with YT of course to see what was available. But when I went to my local Deere dealer, they treated me terribly, first they ignored me for about 30 minutes ,then one of the salesman approached me and said, " We have better used deals for you out back" I told him I was interested in the sub compact 1025r, and he said it was "pretty pricey" . I looked at him a little funny and then asked if they had the model with the backhoe, and he just rolled his eyes at me. He then ushered me to follow him into the building were about 8 to 10 salesman were chatting it up. He said out loud hey this guy wants the 1025r with the hoe really loudly a couple of them started laughing. I then asked if there was a serious salesman that actually wanted to work for a commission, it went quiet, so I pulled out my 20k in cash and said no takers. They jumped up quick but I was already turning to head out the door. I guess they didn't take me serious because I drove in there with a beat up 1992 Chevy farm truck, need less to say I bought a Kubota BX 23s the next day. The other issue is price, in my local area the 1025r is 8 grand more than the Kubota BX 23s.
i would have done the same if i was treated like that.....my dear dealership has been patient with me....think ive gone there 4 different times combing over the 1025r and everything on it...ive alled things and had items taken off to see price differences....worked with the same salesmen everytime, true cowboy like myself....ive also been paying attention to how things are there in office area's, havent looked at the service area yet but sure that is next...Id alos been to the branson/Ls tractor dealership, machines there are better priced but looking at them closely dont have the grease fittings on areas i would want them.... lifting capacity and what items i can get for the deer for parts matters, even if i wanted to get a aftermarket cap for the winter months here matters....id used to allways be a Kubota guy as well as liking john deer....problem is kubota dealer allways seems closed everytime i drive by......how us men are treated at the dealerships do matter...
Same Deere service quality in South Daytona Fl. got an orange one as well based strictly on KTAC and lack of professionalism at JD
Love the story. Thanks for sharing.
Clear winner Kubota for the none proprietary loader configuration and it’s unfortunate dear used to make the best deck ever made, but I’m not sure if we can still say that these days
Amen on the need for a drawbar. I was surprised not to see one on my dad’s BX. I’ve grow around my family’s 4000-series JD’s and it seems weird not to have it.
Yeah, definitely one of the conundrum's of the tractor world.
I bought a Reese Towpower 81378 Class II Step Bumper Receiver Hitch, Black and a CURT 45260 Class 3 Trailer Hitch Ball Mount, Fits 2-Inch Receiver, 7,500 lbs. GTW, 1-Inch Ball Hole, 2-Inch Drop, 3/4-Inch Rise. Removed the plate with the existing drawbar hole, drilled four 1/2" holes in the drawbar plate to match the bumper receiver hitch, bolted them together with 4 1/2" bolts and reinstalled the drawbar plate. Put in the hitch and you've got a drawbar. Also, the hitch is about 18" long which moves the hitch point about a foot back since I need the extra length to allow sharper turns. The best thing is I ordered the parts from Amazon and the receiver cost less than $20 vs over $100 for aftermarket JD receiver. The hitch was about $20 also
Ken Masker Good solution. Thanks for sharing!
About the deck mower, you were right! On a Kubota BX 1880, you can fix a 48 inches under it, but it won't fit under the bigger ones. For those, the 54 inches one will be the smallest one.
The only “feature” of these nearly identical machines that has any practical significance is the price. Where I live Kubota happens to cost $5,000 less. In other areas it may be the other way around. Everything else is just minor details not worth obsessing over.
In my area in Canada the kubota costs 33g where the jd is about 42g. So with both tractors being so comparable otherwise, there really is no comparison
Both companies should pay you for giving an excellent demonstration of features and differences. Well done!
Agreed! 🤣👍
Very informative! Been on the fence regarding these 2 tractors and this helped a lot.
What way did you end up going?
@@everydaydad3054 doesn't look like either
@@MeltingRubberZ28 for competitors sake, i believe bobcat has CT1025 that compares with these if youd like to look into that option as well
Thank you for a very informative video wish i found it Sunday the day before i bought my tractor. However you have made me happy with my 1025R purchase
Congrats on your new tractor!
I want to see a 1025R with an integrated factory cab with heat and “AIR CONDITIONING”! Seriously there is no reason they couldn’t get a very good compact system, there is no excuse.
Opinion here, there should be an X700 factory cab that does both AC and heat that allows use of the loader(jd45 or ctc x4750) without interference. I think x700 should be the smallest you need a cab for the premium small tractor market.
Side note if they had this for x700 series I’d be putting it on a x749 yesterday and actually doing more yard work and enjoying it.
You are sooo right! Air ride seat, heat And AC👍
Ha, thanks!
I’m in the market.
Excellent video
Thanks.
I would like to see a maintenance video on both of these rigs
A very informative and interesting video setting out the for's and agianst the two tractor models .
Well done thank you
Nice review! I sure enjoy your videos! I'm in the market for a zero turn mower but with over 7 acres I've been looking at small tractors as it might be more useful. I saw your hunting video from Wyoming. I live at the base of the Bighorn Mountains.
Nice, I haven't been back out to Wyoming in a couple years. Thinking about it this fall depending on what happens with the economy.
That colored tape is a great idea 💡👍
Informative video - Thanks Courtney - My 2 cents - I did a sit on comparison going to both the JD & Kubota dealers on the same day before I bought my 2019 1025r - the frame size of the 1025r is larger, the front loader bucket is quicker, the backhoe is quicker (& actually does operate smoother - you can perform more than 1 function at a time) - The 2 seat option for the backhoe on the JD is wonderful - the Kubota seat is impossible to get turned around easily - the forward/reverse pedals on the JD are easier to use ( I think the Kubota reverse pedal would wear out your Achilles tendon in a heartbeat) - the 3 point lift function on the JD surpasses the Kubota - The price new side by side is almost exactly the same - JD always has incentives going on - fiberglass vs metal panels that will rust when you ding them - I have easily compounded out any minor scratches on my hood from branches - I could go on and on - but Green is just better than Orange ( in my humble opinion) - I wish I had found your site before I bought - you always have great deals with many more attachments for the price... If you buy a Deere - I suggest buying slightly used as the way to go....
You always provide meaningful input. Thanks for sharing triple C!
I found one digging when I was testing them out sometimes the Kubota couldn’t lift while the John Deere always did and that was a big pain and Because the John Deere is wider I found it much more stable
You forgot to mention the gas gauge. The Kubota is large located on the instrument cluster and John Deere is a little gauge on the fender. Solid quick hitter video!
I think I mentioned it in a written overlay as I forgot to record it on video.
Presentation pray hands! haha :) Great comparison video mate just what I was looking for to narrow down my purchase.
Thanks for the info..Allways helpful. If you get a Kubota B2301 in, I would like to see that "vs" vid to the 1025r. I have a BX2380. It's a great tractor. For my needs, the 3 point control did not matter. Get the relief pressure on the BX right, it will lift anything you need in the relation to the size of this tractor. The price point on the BX was $3k cheaper than the 1025r new. And I had the dealer add a 3rd function and a grapple. This was in our market area. I have been to your shop. You were very helpful, and I could tell buying a used tractor from you, would of been a great experience. It just made sense at the time to buy new with the finance offers. I really wish Kubota would offer a BX with position control. One of the main reasons I went with the BX over the 1025r was the physical size of the machine was better suited on our property..Thanks again for getting this info out to folks. I hope you and your family are healthy.
The Position control on the three point and lift of loader is the main thing making me consider the JD 1025r or Kioti 2520. And we have a Kubota Dealer not far from me in town where the JD is 20 minute drive and Kioti bout the same as JD.
I am getting mine next week and will use the tape idea thank you.
Great video totally agree on the cab!
Definitely...hope you're doing well Tim!
For me, it's the tractor with best support. I'd still have my Mahindra if I had a decent shop nearby - but, they're being sold out of a motorcycle shop and the maintenance is terrible. Our local John Deere dealer is amazing. So, I sold the Mahindra and got the Deere 1025R. My decision was made largely around the best support, both warranty and post warranty, that I could get. There's definitely some things I'd do different on my 1025R, but I feel really good about my local dealer and maintenance facility.
I bought a Kubota BX 1500 in 2004, the tractor outperformed it's working specifications and still rolls on today, but like most equipment... time and use still takes it's toll on the tractor with wear. 656 hours on the clock.
I have both. I am selling the JD because I don't use the backhoe anymore and I prefer using my old Kubota BX1500 for everything else. The Kubota is like a Japanese car while the JD is like a Dodge. The only thing I like about JD is the quick connect. The biggest drawback to the 1025 is the hydraulic controls can not do two things at the same time. It is like working in 2D while the Kubota is 3D. And the Kubota has all the controls laid out in nice order. The JD has controls and levers everywhere and in strange places. But the main problem is JD cannot lift and curl at the same time. If I had known that I never would have bought it. Why does no one mention that? An extreme difference. I think the backhoe was also crippled that way.
Thanks for this heads up. That alone help me decided not to get a JD, plus price. I'm ADHD big time, and more ois not better for my brain, if you get my drift. How's the lift capability on the 25D, and mower removal? I found a used one and love to hear from you.
It's funny you mentioned the lift on the Kubota being fairly weak. I did my driveway with my buddies Kubota and it really struggled with lifting some larger scrap metal pieces I had in a field. This year I rented probably the smallest skid steer known to mankind and it lifted those same objects without any struggle at all. Apples and oranges for sure, but it was quite eye opening.
One item not mentioned that is significant. On the Kubota FEL you can curl and go up/down at the same time, On the JD it's either/or, altho gravity, if appropiate, can help do 2 thing at once .
You can do both at the same time on the JD.
I thought Neil said JD can do the two functions? ;-)
I bought my BX23s because a friend had a small 18 or so hp Kubota tractor from the early 80s which runs good today; I have also owned a 1952 Model M JD in the mid 90's (ran good except when it rolled due to being worn out). I would have either a JD or Kubota.
I bought my BX23s because my boss has a Kubota and recommended them. JD is a good brand and although i am thrilled with my Kubota I would probably like the JD as well.
HA!! You went there!! You know that the Green vs Orange is always going to stir up a controversy. LOL!!
Last year I finally made my decision and bought my new tractor. I needed a sub-compact tractor with a FEL and a BH. Well, I went to see all the local dealers......green vs red vs orange vs other orange. I came down to the two that you have here as the best two for my needs. Fortunately, my dealer 10 minutes away carries Deere and Kubota so I paid him a couple serious visits. I was able to take both units (exactly how you have both in this video) for a spin and check them out in the back lot. I took a very good look, and I have been an Industrial Mechanic for over 40 years. Here are my observations:
Deere 1025R: A bit larger physically, nice ergonomics, better low engine speed hydraulics than the BX, positioning valve for the 3 PH, extra seat for the BH, BH is an add-on, stronger FEL with larger bucket, green paint.
Kubota BX23S: Smaller and more compact form, very nice ergonomics, need to rev engine for decent hydraulic speed, no positioning valve for 3PH, BH is integral with a heavier frame than 2380, BH and FEL are extremely easy to remove, flat face connectors on hydraulics, 20 degree clearance angle on BH for ditches, skid steer FEL option, need to buy 3 PH because it is a backhoe (BX2380 comes with 3 PH), swivel seat for BH can be a PITA, orange paint. By the way........you can order a factory cab for the BX 23S, or even a convertible design. Check their website.
Here in Canada, there is a 6 year powertrain warranty on the Kubota and the Deere. Both have 0% financing for either 5 years (Deere) or 6 years (Kubota). The Kubota is also a bit cheaper than the Deere in Canada. My dealer refused to swing me in either direction, and he wanted me to make my own decision based on my needs and likes. I liked both tractors, but the overall design of the Kubota BX23S won me over as being more of a "Swiss Army Knife" design that was well executed. IF I didn't need/want a BH, then the Deere was on even par with the Kubota in my mind.
Funny thing about the drive pedals on both tractors. Deere really promotes the two individual pedals for forward and reverse, and they put down the treadal pedal design on the Kubota. I purchased a John Deere L series tractor 16 years ago (still have it by the way), and that is the first time I used a treadal pedal setup. The dealer used it a selling feature over the old fender hydrostatic lever that I was used to!!!
Bottom line......see which one is right for you based on your needs. Both are great tractors!!
Great information man! Thank you so much for sharing!
@@GoodWorksTractors Thanks, I really appreciate the information you pass on to your customers and your TH-cam audience. I can see why you have a great customer base!!
There needs to be a full locking differential on all four tires. In deeper mud and pulling heavy trees it’s what you need. And I’ve heard the same excuses that Honda ATV gave for years on a fully locking diff. “Its something else to break”. Well, Polaris and can am came out with fully locking diffs and left Honda in the dirt on sales. I’ve owned a Polaris sportsman since 2011 with mud tires and never broke an axel with diff lock.
@@freedomlawnservice1987 Is that 2305 a good tractor if looking at used machines?
Sub compact tlb’s are for a different consumer....generally with smaller lots, more first time owners, and more hobbyists not using these for a profession. I always wanted a JD but with 4 kids had to justify the expenditure for a long time. I looked at JD, Massey and Kubota. I thought JD and Kubota would be out of my price range and was content to have the MF. JD was the most expensive and the least willing to deal. To my surprise though the Kubota came in with a much lower price than the Massey and the financing was better, so I bought the BX23s. Point is that many consumers in this category will be lucky to be able to pull the trigger on any sub-c tlb so saving three or four thousand dollars on 20k absolutely cinches the decision.
With 100 hours of use terracing the yard for retaining walls, road, patio and pond, and one storm plowing I have been impressed with the Kubota. Only once did it fail to deliver and that was trying to lift a boulder I estimated at 1150 lbs (which this video shows JD might’ve lifted), but I couldn’t drop another $4k for the JD. I love the skid steer quick attach loader setup and the after aftermarket attachments seem to be cheaper. The Kubota is nimble in tight spaces and I can literally see the side of the bucket to know when it’s level. It’s a great first tlb.
I still have my overworked JD D170 mower and remain amazed it survived all my abuse but the Kubota is my yard-Harley and allows me to be incredibly productive. I spent years looking for a good used tlb and got to see how well especially the Kubotas held their value.
What is your hydraulic pressure? Have you ever thought of checking and upping it to 1900-2200 psi? I hear many of the Kubota seem to be set low.
I just purchased a 1025r Yes, the Kubota has a better battery layout and the easy hydraulic disconnect is the bomb. But I like the JD polyresin panels and the fact that it's made in the USA.
Having owned a BX2360 (same as the BX23 w/o the backhoe) and currently having a 1025R I will say the pedal arrangement on the 1025R is better especially if you have long legs. The Kubota configuration having to bring you leg way back to use reverse gets very uncomfortable very quickly.
instead of using the treadle pedal I pull up on the forward pedal with the end of my foot. I rarely touch the reverse pedal.
I always thought it was very natural for backing up. Some times it is easy to get foot caught tho.
I guess it’s awkward if you have small feet...
Derek Huber It's awkward for big feet too. Kubotas are good tractors but that treadle was a deal breaker for me. They're clumsy and take up too much room on the deck.
never use treadle pedal, Use my toe to control reverse.
Hey man love your videos thanks for all the info, I have the jd 1025r would adding a winch to the front be a good idea really value your opinion on this thanks
THE deere is also available as of this year with a single point hookup on hydraulics
So I've heard. Gonna have to see if I can add it to mine.
Also notice how much wider the Kubota’s ROPs is. Gives you much more elbow room while using the backhoe!
That is only on the backhoe model, but, yes, its a nice touch.
Would that roll bar width matter on the 260B backhoe with two seats? Wouldn’t it sit slightly forward negating the Kubotas Rops advantage?
Happy with my 1025R Like the Kubota Hydraulic connections though..
Hope everything's well sir!
So far so good! Likewise! Thank u!
Nice video, would love to see you make a video with 3-point snowblowers on both JD and Kubota. Over here in Quebec, 75% of my customers buy a snowblower for their tractor and have us install additionnal hydraulics on the rops for the chute and deflector.
Any of you using the Meteor rear mounted front facing snowblower?
@@beunbad less than 1% of our snowblowers sales are rear mounted front facing. There's just no demand for it
Top of my "wish it had" list is a self leveling bucket. I waste so much time leveling the bucket while lifting it on my 1026R
Yep, high on my list too.
It is available! It’s an Australian kit
I have a Kubota B2650 and love it! But anyway, something to keep in mind when looking for a tractor is the reputation of the dealership and long term parts and support. John Deere and Kubota are probably the two best in class for this.
Completely agree and something I've made sure to mention many times. Thanks for watching!
Very true. I’ll order through Messicks before I waste an hour dealing with the parts department at my local Kubota dealer.
Put them against a kioti
@@kellybeam5731 ok I gotta ask, in what way?
@@lcee6592 do a full on comparison, kioti tractors are a very comparable and reliable, there are a lot of features that they come standard with that the others don't
My friend, Paul Short, made a tool storage on his Lil' Killer, kubota bx25d. It should still be available to watch.
Thanks for the awesome comparison. The air ride seat and easy adjust side adjustment on the 3 pt hitch would be great improvements for me. I am still glad I purchased the John Deere 1025R. One thing you could have mentioned is the three point lift arm height adjustment, but you recently when over that on a prior video, so it will be ok.
Agreed, may not be perfect, but still a great tractor!
Just ordered my BX2380. Can't wait. Replacing my 1974 wheelhorse C-141. It's time for it to retire to just going to shows.
Those prayer hands though 😂
Good video. Looking into small tractors. I run a small lawn service/snow removal business already have two Commercial z turns. Just trying to figure out how to incorporate one into my business. Thanks for the time you out into this video. 👍🏻
Thanks for watching!
💥 Put you and I and Tim in a room with Kubota and John Deere’s design engineers and I’m pretty sure we could build the perfect tractor. I’m not 100% happy with either.
They both have their strengths and weaknesses.
Keep on tractoring! 👍
Haha, agreed! I have zero connections, so I'm counting on you and Tim setting up the meeting! 🤣👍
My 2 gripes on the JD are #1 why is there no anti-scalp roller in the middle of the front on the 60" mower deck and #2 why did they not put guards around the signal lights on the ROPS.@@GoodWorksTractors
Good Works Tractors
I have a video request I wish you would do. Since I don't know a great deal about this Compact & Sub-Compact tractors I would like to know if I was to run a snowblower on say a 1025R or BX2680 Does one blow snow better than the other - Is it only based on PTO Speed or what factors in on that.
I just choose a brand new JD 1025R. Thanks for all your informative videos!
Have bx23s and love it. I'll take the bx all day long
Good deal, glad to hear it!
My kind of salesman, knows his shit with expectations like mine.
Thanks for the video, subscribed.
I''ve put 120hrs on my 23S and absolutely love it. Done a lot of backhoe work digging out stumps, the hydraulics can't manage dual movements in one motion (eg, raise boom and move bucket sideways in one movement which I wish it could. Also I have the 4 in 1 bucket which i love but can't pick up large objects and means I can't have the skid steer attachment which i think i would have preferred so i can use other attachments. I've bolted an ammo box onto the ROP for a tool box, and strapped an LED light bar to top of ROP which turns night to day. A tow hitch would be very handy so i don't have to remove the backhoe to tow anything. Also I wish it had a clock on the dash so i know when to stop for smoko, lol.
I'm in australia and it cost me $31,500 in April 2018.
Overall I would highly recommend the Kubota for up to 5 acres which i have, any more and i think i would be looking for something larger.
Great info, thanks for sharing!
Did that include mid mount mower as well for that price? I’m also in Australia.
I have a new Bobcat 1021 with a front loader and 48” brush would love to see some comparisons on this model and any comparison to other models
Kinda funny how you mentioned a cab with heat/ac bc that was something I was kinda hoping to get on something around a compact/ subcompact size
@Matt P it would be pretty helpful for those that enjoy being on the tractor but end up having a short day because of bad allergies or the sun/heat getting to them
@Matt P The seats will turn around for backhoe use cab or no cab
@Matt P they do. The kubota bx2680 has a air conditioned cab option. It's like $7500 on top of the $18000 base price so nobody is buying them. John deere offers just a basic cab with no a/c.
@@Internettumbleweed yup I echo this. One year I was sick and the heat got to me easily. I’m ok now but it’s the first thing I thought of when I saw the hard cabs. (Well that and not freezing my @$$ off in the winter clearing snow)
Subscribed - I wish all the Kubota attachments were as affordable and available over here (Australia) my dealer even tells me the skid steer attachment is not available here sadly. I bought a BX23s in 2018 basic setup with fixed FEL and Backhoe for $33,500.
Thanks for the subscribe all the way from Australia! I can't say we're familiar with the market over there, but it's good to get glimpses from comments like yours.
What dealer did you get your BX23s from? I'm in Brissy and the JD price is insane and there is a 2 month wait on the MF option.
You can get the same type of bucket level indicator on the BX also. It’s part number BX2411.
Good to know. Wonder why no one gets them? I use it all the time. Thanks for sharing!
@@GoodWorksTractors I'm thinking maybe because dealers don't order the option and most people don't know. Most JDKubota comparisons I see don't mention it. It's only a $65 option, but it wasn't on my dad's BX2380 bought off the lot.
In my very humble opinion, it’s because most dealers don’t view people who buy a BX as a serious tractor user. So why add a $65 option they feel the customer won’t even understand or notice.
Back in 2016 I was in the market for a tractor. Never owned one before. We have a JD and Kubota dealer in town so I checked them both out. For me, equipped the way I wanted it, the $3000 difference in price for what seemed like the same tractor made my mind up. Been perfectly happy with my BX25D. I do agree with a lot of the complaints I read about, but most are minor in my opinion.
If you need to buy a tractor today, same sizes, would you buy the 25D again? Lifting power, HP?
@@PoisonShot20 I would. It has never let me down. If I had Bill Gates money i'd buy a bigger tractor but still stick with the Kubota.
If I had one wish for the 1025R it would be that the ROPS fit under a standard 7' garage door in place.
I would realy like to see an auxillary hydraulic system driven from the mid PTO. Something in the range of 6 to 8 gpm. at 2000 to 2500 psi.with a 3 or 4 spool control valve. There are so many things that these tractors could be used for such as hydraulic sicle mowers wood splittres winches etc.I know this would not be a cheap option but it would mean you could do so much more with one machine.
These machines simply don't have the hydraulic capacity to run many of those attachments. However, more and more manufacturers are realizing there's a real market for attachments to appropriately fit these smaller tractors, so things could be changing.
@@GoodWorksTractors I think what Jim Kidson was saying is a pump that is PTO driven. You would then use the mid PTO to power higher hydraulic demand attachments.
I think this would be a really sweet set-up as it would be self contained.
I’m pretty sure I saw a self contained PTO hydraulic set up somewhere.
@@derekhuber3392 I saw one that was 3 point hitch mounted and driven by the rear PTO. Iwould like to see one driven from the mid PTO. so i could use it while the backhoe is attached.
What do you think about the new Curtis Cab AC? It adds about 3k to the cost plus 3k-4k for the cab tho. Living in NC its HOT and humid so I was consdering if a LX or "big B" with a cab would be more appropriate just for the AC reason plus the higher lift capacities. Do you think its worth sizing up to get the factory cabs?
Every time he says "It drives me nuts" take a drink
The right side turns on faster and the light is"white".(L.E.D.side)
The halogen side(left)turns on slower and the light is more of a off white color.
I have a 1996 Kubota B20 with BT750 backhoe. It was a rental unit I bought used, with aftermarket cab. It had a hard life as a rental, but man I’ve done lots of work with it! Just oil and filter changes and grease. Had the main pin on the backhoe rebuilt. This model is far from comfortable or ergonomic but it sure has been bulletproof! The one feature I absolutely hate is the electric hydraulic valves for the backhoe boom swing! This one stupid feature has given me tons of grief and many failures. Why they ever would have designed it is beyond me. Apparently there was a kit to convert it to manually actuated spools, but they were all sold out within the first few years of this engineering stupidity. Personally I always wanted a JD. But the price difference on the new ones is substantially higher than the Kubota on similar models? We’re in northern Ontario, Canada. Great video btw. We are thinking about getting a newer model one day soon.
i have a 2016 1025r and the #1 thing i hate is the loaderz and thats only because it doesnt have a lift and tilt function. its lift , tilt , lift , tilt, lift, tilt. yeah, theres a sweet spot if you get lucky. But, the loader should function like all the big tractors, also!
Haha, true!
I have to say that was a great review. Thanks, previously i have Ford, J.Deere, M.F., and an older L 2650 Kubota. The kubota was by far the better machine although I hated the Clutch. Loved the shuttle shift transmission, just didn't like the feel of the clutch. I traded it in for a 3 E series and so far i like it. I don't bleed green but i now prefer the green tractor. Their both great tractors.
Thanks for watching Dean!
I have the 2019 BX 1880 , 48 inch deck [ because of trees ] same loader with a weight box on the back , I am telling you guys it is the best little tractor . I have ha JD and Massey
I have the same setup with the 54" deck. Wonderful little machine and has saved my back by carrying too many things to list.
I asked the pirate why his belt buckle had a ships wheel. He said, "Arrrrrr, It drives me nuts." LOL
Need to have a plow/tiller to replace backhoe. Then it would be perfect
I agree, the cabs at there high price point installed, need to have both ac & heat, not just heat... Worthless in the Sumer with no Ac 🙃
Tom Carter i believe Curtis does now have a add on ac unit
I do believe the BX cab has ac as an option.
I went to the Louisville Ag show in February. I sat on a dozen of sub compact tractors. There's nothing that feels like a John Deere to me. Surprisingly there closest one was Massey Ferguson. I don't know what it is about the green tractor. It's just my opinion. They're all close to each other but the John Deere feels... better built quality. I don't know. That's what I think. I don't get the no draw bar either.
Good info, I gotta get to that show next year.
Plan ahead because the hotels get booked fast and trust me it's huge, took me 2 days and I didn't see it all. I got to meet Tim and Christy. I also got to talk to JD and Kubota engineers. Was really great
I operate Kubota and John Deere tractors here in Australia, and the Kubota tractors are ok but the John Deere tractors are built stronger and have more comfort for the operator.
I had a John Deere LA110 with a front mount blower and I upgraded to a John Deere X310 with a Berco front mount blower. Both had side by side pedals. I recently upgraded to a Kubota BX2380 with a 55” Front blower and back blade. The Kubota has the treadle peddle and I just don't understand why people have trouble using the treadle peddle. The switch from side by side peddles on my John Deere’s to the Kubota treadle peddle was seamless for me and I found it easy to use with large winter boots on! I do five driveways every morning and I have to do a lot of backing up and I’ve never had an issue getting used to the treadle peddle. If anything it was almost automatic for me. On both of my Deere lawn tractors the seat material cracked.
Thanks for your input!
I just want 2 things on my Kubota 2200. The JD twin touch peddle and protection for the trans filter
Great video comparison. However, for me, there is no comparison. John Deere wins, hands down.
The John Deere design simply works, is operator friendly, and quite comfortable. Keep in mind, I'm referring to the 1023E versus the Kubota, not the John Deere 1025R. Yes, I said the 1023E.
1) The setup is perfect with the original seating and the original steering position. If it is already that comfortable you don't need the trinkets. Just try it for yourself first.
2) Note that the three point hitch design on the John Deere for the antisway could be better with the larger tractor design you mentioned. However, the John Deere design is superior to the Kubota as the antisway pulls the arms to the outside where the Kubota pulls inward. The problem becomes hooking up the three point hitch to an implement as you'll end up having to loosen the antisway just to let the arms go wide enough to get past the width of connection pins. The John Deere suffers no such issue. Then again, I personally prefer the iMatch John Deere Quick Connect and have one just for the ease of hookup. Who wants to have to mess with that anyway when you don't have to? Another issue with Kubota design is it cuts down your maneuvering room when hooking up a PTO shaft.
3) In that same vein, the three point hitch does not have a float position on the control and it could definitely use one. On the larger row crop tractors there's even a mechanical adjustment for a float on the three point hitch that at least will give you some freedom of travel, though its not the same as a controlled on demand float for the three point hitch lever itself.
4) You showed us the Kubota version for the hydraulic couplers. There is an issue with that design. It doesn't allow you uncouple independently to switch the positions. Now why would anyone want to switch positions, you say? Well, here's one example.
If you're out in the field working with your bucket loader and you suddenly realize that your bucket will only raise up two feet and stop in the same manner as if you had maxed out it's elevation travel, even after lowering and raising again to no avail for the problem going away, you're now having to face quitting and getting your equipment repaired. What happens is sometimes quality control has a hiccup and this can happen on any tractor no matter who manufactures it. If there's something floating in your hydraulic line that hasn't found its way to the filter system yet then it can get hung up in a control valve. Now instead of calling your dealer for an expensive service either onsite or hauled into the shop, simply reverse the hydraulic couplers. Be sure to take all the bucket loader pressure off before decoupling. After you have reversed the couplers so they are now in the wrong position, restart your tractor and move your control lever in the wrong direction. Up is now forward and down is now rearward. This can force whatever is causing the blockage out of the valve. Work the loader a few times, then shut off the tractor, take all the pressure off the hydraulics, reverse the couplers back to their original correct position. Restart your tractor and see if that worked. You can't do that with a Kubota.
5) Personally, I'd prefer and additional set of hydraulic connections on the rear of the tractor. That way you can easily connect to implements of a trailer design to raise and lower implement wheels.
6) Yes, the no draw bar thing is a real problem on these tractors and there's no excuse for not having one. I'm currently in discussions with my John Deere dealer over that one to see about getting one installed. Given the narrow design of these tractors the drawbar might have to come out a bit further than a larger tractor simply because you don't want a trailer reach to get hung up easily on the rear tires in a tighter turn. That could be deadly and is always a serious consideration with any tractor.
7) These tractors could all use a better system to hook up auxiliary lighting rearward. Putting on your own flood lights to light up towed implements when you have to continue working after dark is fine, but a wiring harness that's ready to accept a plug-in is a major plus that should have been standard.
8) I too am not in any way a fan of plastic. Years down the road I want my very expensive tractor purchase to have the potential longevity of the good ole Farmall M. Many of those tractors are actually still in service even today. Such is the same for the 4020 John Deere and the 5020 John Deere. You can't do that with plastic hoods, side panels, and fenders. Who is going to be making replacement plastic 40 years from now or longer? At the least you can repair these pieces if they are made from steel. Try doing that though with plastic.
All in all my John Deere 1023E is a great little tractor. Believe me, the uses are seemingly endless and it's definitely very handy for a great many jobs. At present I'm setting up for using my John Deere for PTO power for an emergency generator application for the house for those times the power goes out. The problem I'm having at present though is getting a perfect match for this tractor on a three point hitch setup that's compatible with the iMatch Quick Connect and isn't some chintzy pipe frame design waiting for an excuse to vibration crack. Years back John Deere produced a unit they called the Model 10. It appears to have incorporated a NorthStar Generator. Unfortunately it's not made anymore.
Anyway, great video, informative, and enjoyable to watch. well done.
Very well written comment. I have a 1025R but I agree that the tilt steering and seat (and also the work lights) are not a big upgrade. In my opinion the only significant difference is the 3 point hitch control.
I'm doing some tractor shopping for my 2.5 acreage and have a 36" inseam. Was able to check out a new Kubota 23s and a 2018 1025R today. Even though I just sat on them and worked the pedals dry for a minute I could tell me right knee wouldn't be able to stand up to the Kubota pedal for long without getting sore. Steering wheel position seemed a bit more comfortable as well with the 1025R but it wouldn't be a game changer for me. However the Kubota pedal configuration is.
On a side note I also checked out last years Massey GC1705 and this years revised GC1723 as well. Ergonomically speaking I don't know how taller guys could deal with the Massey GC1705 steering wheel, it felt like I was reaching for the wheel at my ankles. That being said the 1723 felt like a huge improvement in ergonomics over the 1705 with its adjustable steering wheel, re-positioned loader joystick, and even the deck surface.
Now if only a tractor manufacturer (maybe Bobcat when they are done re-branding Kioti's) would take a look at an old 1998 New Holland 9030e to figure out how to set up an HST tractors' operator station.
Mads81 if you haven’t purchased a tractor yet, you might consider the Kubota B2601. It is sized between the BX series and the B2650/3350. The 2601 is actually more comparable to the John Deere 10 series than the BX. The 2601 is on a larger platform which gives more operator rom. The BX is actually a little smaller than than the 10 but both are labeled sub compact so they always get matched up. Check out GP Outdoors on youtube. He has a B2601 and uses it for a wide variety of projects. The 2601 is an impressive compact tractor.
Excellent Video my man, I just recently purchased a couple months ago a John Deere 1025r with the front loader, the drive over 60" mower deck and a ballast box. I love this tracker; I'm thinking of getting the speeCo CAT 1 E hitch quick hitch from your website. I hate trying to connect the ballast box when I'm ready to use the loader. With the speeCo quick hitch attached and nothing mounted to it, would it drag when using the mower deck, I know both the deck and the 3-point system lowers at the same time. just curious, any info would be greatly appreciated. PS, I'm really liking that Good Works hat, your website doesn't currently show that one. I realize this video was posted 2 years ago, that could be why. Thanks for all your informative videos.
I bought a B.X 25 with mower deck my only complaint is wheels on deck don't swivel as result have riped a couple of I'm going weld on swivel on all 4 coners I do a 5 acre orchard,plus use it in my contracting business.I have done double the work of friend with John Deere he's never used for moving drain but his bucket is all torn to hell??? I use turf tire's even in mud never really got stuck.I damaged my hood so going to replace it.I very happy with it done far more than ever thought it would do.
I have the Kubota, but wonder how much easier the JD is with that extra seat? Spinning the the Kubota seat is a bit of a pain, but it looks like you have some set up with the JD as well. It doesnt look like it is just stop and sit down. .
If Kubota would put a position control 3 point lift independent of mower lift, more powerful hydraulics, a medium range in transmission and some nice small tool storage and an HST that wasn't so loud I'd be 100% happy.
They actually do all that! Its called a B series tractor. Lol. Sorry bro, couldn't help it ...
@@andysworld2188 Yeah they do but it’s much heavier and much taller. That BX with some updates would be a good unit and fit inside a 7’ garage door height.
What drives me crazy the grill guards. These will not protect anything on all makes . They all have large holes. It would be nice that they should have some sort of expanded metal on the front of the guard to protect from sticks. Another thing on the Kubota is the fuel filter under the tractor to the pump. They need to have a cartridge type up closer to the engine like bigger tractors
Man Kubota hands down! True comparison would be with a Kubota B series! (Also can get a factory cab with heat and AC) the biggest difference hands down if your buying to do a lot of Backhoe work is the one SEAT! I can’t stress that enough! What a pain to get on and off tractor to reposition for digging or ditching. Great video
Thanks for watching. The B Series is substantially larger, classified as a compact, it is compared to the John Deere 2 Series.
Solid rubber tires, in the south west Mesquite trees eat tires. Tires that never go flat. I got like whip lash from driving a small tractor the ride made my back to sore it was hard to work for a couple days, and air ride seat would be the best item they could add. I got a pick up truck for my tools. LMAO , Batteries last on average four years in the South west the heat kills them. Deck mowers what a waste on both of them, a brush hog ran off the rear PTO shaft is way easier. A forward mower deck would be even better. Thank you for the video
I really like the 1025R all around
grteat vid thnx
Great video I just ordered my 1025R today and I’ll be definitely looking into the tool rack right away, also my 2020 has a steel hood, that’s the first thing that I checked because my X300 mower has the plastic hood that costs $600 to replace after 3 years
Are you sure 1025r is a steel hood?
Looking to buy new same equipped bucket and backhoe price difference between JD and KABOTA ?
I’ve been watching your TH-cam videos and love them. If you were to buy a compact tractor on the Kubota line with a cab that would be used for market farming (tilling, flail mowing), maintenance in a farm (mowing, brush removal) and occasional use of a small back hoe-which model would you recommend and how easy is it to get hold of one?
How do you feel the New Holland Workmaster 25s/ LS MT125 compare to the JD and Kubota? I have a JD and NH dealer close to me and will be checking them out in person once I am ready to buy and I kind of lean towards the NH 25s.
Maybe if it helps, I've got 2.2 acres and would be using mainly for mowing, grapple, and wood chipper. Zero need for a backhoe or snow blower.
I would go give them a good hard look. I honestly have more feedback from speaking with customers about NH rather than first hand experience. I don't want to knock them, but you get what you pay for.
Any thoughts on Summit Tractors? Our Atwood’s just started selling them, and they look pretty good.