Why We Switched From Electric: Goodbye Torqueedo- Hello New Outboard! | Ch4 E18 | The Wayward Life
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ค. 2021
- After struggling to make our Torqueedo electric outboard motor work for us, we decide to buy a gas powered one, and don't waste any time using it to do the exploring we had been missing with the Torqueedo! Welcome to the Wayward family Yamaha 9.9hp 4 stroke!
Why We Switched From Electric: Goodbye Torqueedo- Hello New Outboard! | Ch4 E18 | The Wayward Life
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I live north of Nanaimo and was like “Is that Nanaimo and the gabriola ferry terminal in the background?I might be seeing things” and sure enough I was right lol
Yep 😂😂 currrents north of campbell river proved to be too much for us to stick with a torqueedo, but it’s going to be for sale in the fall if you happen to want one 😂😂
Love your video and congratulations on getting an outboard motor I’m sure you’ll really enjoy it lots and it will make getting out there and exploring so much easier. Thank you for sharing the video.
It’s been great so far! Thanks for watching 😌
Glad you have a reliable dingy motor now!!
It’s awesome! We are still loving it!!
Great video and a nice new motor! Take care and stay safe :-)
Thanks for watching! 😌
I've been a Torqeedo Travel user for about 10 years now. I love my Torqeedo Travel. I simply would not be able to do the kind of boating I do with a gasoline motor.
I transport my extremely narrow Zodiac style hybrid kayak/motorboat/sailboat in the trunk of my sedan. The boat, motor and accessories fit in the trunk except when I take my sail rig.
I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE GASOLINE OR OIL FUMES INSIDE MY CAR! From talking to others, it's a difficult thing to avoid with a gas motor. My sedan came with microfiber rug material in the entire car. Once gas or oil leaks on that, forget about getting the smell out for a while. That would drive me nuts. During the boating season, I'm able to just leave everything in the car during trips. I really love that.
The simplicity of not having to buy gas or mix additives and just recharge the battery is a real convenience.
I don't want to have to fight with a lawnmower type engine pulling on a rope to get it started! I see people struggling with that on small motors all the time. The simple On/Off is great. On my friends Zodiac he's always whacking passengers just starting it. And on my boat which is even smaller, I'm not sure I could reach the starter rope from inside the boat too easily. Also, I've had wrist issues getting older in my mid 50s now, and pulling on those starter ropes the way I see people do it would be terrible for it now.
Something was seriously wrong with your range. How old was the battery? I get roughly a 10 mile range as long as I'm not going at fast speeds. Maybe more at trolling speeds.
The On/Off of an electric motor is perfect for using the sail rig that I can quickly get out of the way of moored boats or awkward areas.
I've replaced the battery once. The current battery still held a decent charge this season. I also had to have the motor repaired this year, which I'm told feel under maintenance that should be done every 5 years. With a gas motor, it's every season.
As for value, a gas motor is certainly cheaper if you can deal with all the things I mentioned. The range of gasoline is certainly better and you can bring a spare tank without spending a fortune on a spare battery. But a gasoline motor is much more hassle for me and things I don't like about them. The type of vehicle you have to transport one I think would make a difference. My Torqeedo goes in any car, no issues. I do wish they were cheaper. I think if I had to use a gas motor with the kind of cars I drive, I wouldn't use them nearly as often. I also like to do some paddling as my boat is a hybrid that paddles as an inflatable kayak also, and fairly well on calm days. The range is enough for me for the places I visit, and I've been to over 150 different locations across the east coast from the ocean to the very large lakes. My boating time is usually 1.5 - 4 hours. I'm never with anyone that wants to spend all day. I have two of these boats, and the main one takes a 3HP max and the other a 6HP. Going faster than a 3HP would mean the front passenger would get wet on most days unless I'm alone.
Good vid, What PFD do you wear? Do you like them?
It's crazy that your torqeedo went through so much juice so fast. Ours seems to stay charged forever! And we crossed in Nanaimo no problem. I love our Torqeedo, but it's not for going fast. We have a gas motor that we put on when we want to go far or fast, but usually doing an explore around an anchorage the torqeedo is my go to.
I think if we had a different dingy things would be better with the torqueedo, but we aren’t planning to go smaller or lighter with a dinghy 🤷🏻♀️ you guys def seem to have a good system worked out!
Did you really believe that scenario? The whole thing is click bait.
Love your dogs disposition.
He’s such a good boy ❤️
Thanks for providing the other side of the argument. Its not easy separating the hype from the reality.
They bought the wrong outboard for their requirements, that’s their mistake please don’t try to blame it on the outboard. No hype simply poor buyer research.
@@davidmatthews3093 their requirements is also many other people's requirements
Awesome rock.
That big ship you saw delivers Mercedes vehicles to their storage yard there at the waterfront and from there they get delivered across Canada. Ps I love your adventure. Brian from Nanaimo:)
Oh wow good to know! Thanks for the info, and thanks for watching! 😌
Lager drinker - yes. I liked seeing all those sea stars on the dock post at the beginning of the vid. They are still at extremely low numbers. Take your time on breaking in that engine. It will pay off in the long run. Enjoy and hope to run into you guys when the border opens. Cheers.
Yes it’s great to see so many back! We still see the wasting ones around, but lots of healthy ones as well. Do you have any plans to head up to Canada once the borders open?
@@WaywardLifeSailing Definitely - can't wait...
yeah, we were looking at electric motor for our dinghy...but when we looked at the range we wanted and what the weight of the batteries would be, we chucked that idea pretty fast!
What did u end up with instead?
we went for Yamaha 20hp four stroke
Did you find anything remotely comparable in electric?
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As a rule of thumb these rated hp numbers for these E motors are easily halved. Even the Elco 20hp is 8400 watt which would equate to 11hp.
Correct, its irritating when they market like 1000w/ 3hp equivalent .....not even close.
A better way to rate these motors when comparing them to gas motors would be to rate them by max thrust in pounds. Of course, you would then need to know how many pounds of thrust the gas motor can provide - and, they usually only specify horsepower, rather than pounds of thrust.
Electric trolling motors are generally rated in pounds of thrust. So, when Torqeedo, for example, is rating their electric motors, they will rate it as an equivalency to a gas motor's typical horsepower rating.
Something to be aware of, though, is that a gas motor is nowhere near as efficient as an electric motor - often less than 50% efficient. So, for example, a 25 horspower gas motor might only be providing 11 horsepower at the prop - even if it is rated at 25 horsepower. The losses associated with the engine itself and the drivetrain accounts for the reduced effective horsepower. This loss is also experienced as heat from the motor.
On the other hand, the electric motors are highly efficient - as much as 95%. They have much less mechanical resistance; since, they only have one moving part - the stator. And, their higher efficiency translates to a cooler running motor - so, less power lost to heat.
So, in the end, it is the gas engines, not the electric motors, that are not providing their rated output. And, an 11hp electric motor is going to provide the performance of a 25 horsepower gas engine.
@@richardowens9061 its pretty easy to tell, just look at your speed over water. it will tell you that gas is better than electric for this.
that big ship looks like a ro-ro cargo vessel. roll on, roll off. they usually carry loads of cars and industrial vehicles like diggers and loaders. and occasionally fancy kit like helicopters and other boats.
Nice to see honest review of the electric vs gas outboards. Electric are nice for very short trips, but can not really compare. On a planning dinghy gas is unfortunately so far the only practical solution.
Thanks for watching! We are all about honesty here :) I hope in the future electric does a better job of keeping up with gas, but until then we will def be sticking with whatever is the safest option in big currents.
hi guys,
Do you mind if I ask why you changed sailboats so many times in a span of couple years? Did you make a video about that? I may have missed it.
Regards,
Sam
2 boats ago they sold as it was too small, the last boat they sold as it was glass core, and not strong enough, and now they have a very very nice steel boat.
@@hthring this is so helpful thank you so much ❤🙏
Hayden offered a good answer, but we also have a review video if you wanna watch. It should be the first one in our Papa Rumba playlist. Living abroad to an expedition sailboat I think it’s called (currently short on internet so I can’t grab the link for you!)
@@WaywardLifeSailing right will look it up ☺
I have both the Torqeedo 1103s and Tohatsu outboard motor that I use on my dinghy and I think it’s not fair to compare the two engines.
Good job dumping that Torqeedo, I sold the one i had after a month. Dealer trying to sell me extra batteries so i could go another 1 mile and have to switch. Grrrrrr. I went with a 2021 Tohatsu 5hp Propane model. It will go 1 hour at half throttle on ONE little green 1lb propane bottle for short hops and I also got the Viking 11lb Carbon Fibre propane tank for longer hauls. It burns sooo clean and even seems quieter than my gas mercury 5hp. That 9.9 is pretty big for your Rib, no doubt youll get anywhere quick with that ! I have the Zodiac 310 Fastroller. I went 5hp for lighter weight as a solo sailor its not as nerve wracking taking it off the stern rail and lowering it down. Nice to see you guys enjoying it.
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Oh wow! Didn’t even think of propane. That’s pretty cool! So much nicer to have fewer fuel sources too
They have propane outboards? Did not know that.
I'm the 1978 era we got s family cruiser 20 get and we bought a Yamaha petrol. Parrofom (you call petrol Gasoline) 8 h p 2 stroke. Engine .It worked great .You start on petrol and when engine warmed up switched to parfifon.or kerosene or mixxed 7 parts paraffin to one part petrol pump .
We used parrigin as it was safe fuel as we often sailed 300 miles. Out to seas from Ireland to. France via syclly island or stopped to stay in Cornwall if weather was very bad.om parrigin there was lot of smoke on tick over and you got less HP about 6
I recently saw some of them for sale for about € 200 to € 300 euro so about $250 to $ 350 USA dollars they seem to last forever
Assume twice the running costs per mile with propane over gasoline in communist controlled high fuel tax EU Europe .Canada might be cheaper but suspect as good communist regime it high fuel tax also
Don't know what the specs are on that Torqueedo battery but it sounds to me like there was a problem with the battery. Too bad it didn't work out for you. We love our little trolling motor but our expectations are small and she's on a hard dinghy which takes less power to move.
We have two batteries and both seemed to have the same problem over a certain rpm. For how much running around we do in anchorages with high current it just didn’t make sense from a safety perspective to keep the torqueedo even if the batteries had been functioning 🤷🏻♀️
@@WaywardLifeSailing That's interesting. I wonder why. The distance that you indicate in the video where it went from 80% to 5% is crazy short. We have made as many as four trips to NPA docks and back and still had plenty of juice for more trips. Once, I inadvertently left the dinghy tied to the dock for a couple of hours with the motor still in gear and the prop jammed against the skeg and still made it back to the boat LOL
Also, I don't know how Torqueedo has their BMS set up but normally a lithium battery will shut off before it reaches 5%. A standard is usually between 10 and 20%
i saw some old/salvage torqueedo batteries for sale by a battery salvage company. i think there was an issue with the bms and/or with the modules themselves. agreed that is shouldn't drop from 80% to 5% that quickly.
Big ship looks like a car carrier they keep them inside so they don't get salt water on them so they don't rust
Ahhh makes sense! Salt water is not kind to vehicles
What a dreary presentation. I couldn’t face watching mor3 than a couple of minutes.
The governor of the state of CA just signed an executive order banning the sale of all new small gas motors like lawn mowers etc including small boat motors. This 4 cycle also. You can take one in but not retail I think. If you stay in a marina there is property tax added. I am sailing to Mexico from Washington but looking at going out from the coast many Mike's then south away from CA.
I heard gas powered leaf blowers were being phased out. I didn’t realize it was all small motors. That’s crazy!
The bill, AB-1346 doesn't specifically call out outboard motors, but it does call out motors used in lawn and gardening. TBH it's pretty vague. I think the old tech 2 cycle motors are an issue, but 4 cycle much less so, so hopefully they don't just try and do blanket ban of all SORE's (small off-road engines)
Uhh.. I think you're meant to break the motor in, right? That seems a little fast for a brand new motor.... first 10 hours should be much lower power until you have done a full oil and filter change too. Just my two cents.
We followed exact manufacturer specs and recommendations
Why did you buy such a large outboard? 3 hp would be perfect for that dingy.
You should check out alaska!
That’s in the plans! Hopefully next summer!
Salvage ship for Toqueedos, it comes in twice per week😆
Bahahaha good one!
First pull, yeah that’s a Yamaha Love it.. but now i see possibly not.. hopefully they look after you, you have a big Audience in your group if you need to write a review.. I’m sure they will..
... we won’t talk about the issues we have been having since... 😂
@@WaywardLifeSailing seriously?
nothing wrong with the torqueedo. just don't run it full throttle and battery will last.
Yamaha are the best for salt water.All the nuts bolts screws are stainless Steel so good to remove
If you remove bolt nuts screw always use lock glue as SS never gets a grip like steel .
One Jon boat in aluminium 12 ft long 36 inch wide with 4 stroke mercury 6 HP does 18 mph or ~15 knots on. the plane with one user but bogs down for first thirty seconds . The tank is 0.3 USA gallon and at full gas lasts 30 minutes and does 9 miles .That makes about 30 mpg . At slower speeds like 5 mph looks like it used more fuel more like 15. Mpg
It would be interesting what mpg you get.
A two Stoke 10 hp pushes a 25 ft wood trimeran in calm on 1/4 gas gets 10 mpg speed unknown suspect assume it's 3 knots
What size is your inflatable looks to be 9 feet ??
The reason I ask is I would go with gas motor as recharging electric. offshore on the hook and am often miles from towns makes electric in this time a range anxiety issue
Any numbers to got over time would be interesting .Thank
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Electric propulsion is only good for short distances and calm conditions. Unfortunately, the batteries have insufficient capacity. The gasoline outboard is still the best option for distance and safety. The trick is so reduce our overall consumption without sacrificing convenience. A small 9.9HP is very little CO2 compared to the cars..., Cheers
Agreed. We are still happy with the choice a couple of months in. It’s crazy how much safer we feel with the gas motor
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Its not the C02 thats the problem. Its the C0, its N0x and the HC you are creating. Its non catalytic carburated engine we are talkgin about
@@znoop72 it's one tiny motor in loads of space, you need some perspective, focus on the real polluters, industry.
BTW ur dog is adorable 🥰
Yup y’all do need sun
Yep 😂😂😂
Where are you currently? Have to be getting this recent heat wave
ohh no ,, pagans used gasoline engines ,,, how dare you throw out an electric
I’ll have you know us pagans would never throw anything like that out. We lent it to our friends while we fixed their electric motor 😂
@@WaywardLifeSailing
Never going electric on my boat until the batteries charge instantly, have equal or greater power and have a greater range than petrol. The whole move to electric, especially in boating in my view is a misguided and uninformed green agenda that has no place until the technology is far more developed.
We may have to live with electric
The discovery of oil peaked in 1964
Currently mankind is consuming 4 times more oil than is discovered
This is unsustainable!
Expect very expensive fuel
Followed by ESSENTIAL SERVICES ONLY
Regards Gray
Fingers crossed by the time things get dire batteries have caught up! We would have loved to have stayed with electric and not had to carry another fuel source but it just isn’t practical for us at this time
@@WaywardLifeSailing
I understand
I'm having similar difficulties
Cheers Gray
Australia
If this was true why has OIL gone down in price per gallon USA since 1905 to recently 2020 .( when we factor in inflation the dollars 2.00 a USA compared to the real price in 1905 of dolloar 2.50 gallon ) it another oil company myth. THEy they need to to keep prices high like they do with sanctions or other tricks like blood diaMONDS .
Simple the more oil we find proves that oil is so abundant THEY HAVE TO HIDE THE REAL STORY OR OIL would drop and gasoline could;d be as low as $1 a gallon USA
ALASKA RESEVES ARE HIDDEN AS IT SHOWS THE usa CAN SUPPLY THE ENTIRE PLANET FOR 200 YEARS
Canada can with tar sands oil costing $15 a barrel can supply the entire planet for 100 years
venuzala Russia middle east nigeria and new resources in Africa and Mexico can keep us going no swaet .
Paraguay has more oil than Saudi but NAZI bush family own the country and refuse to allow this information to be said as they want it as thier pristine farm with no oil production
Then the market will take care of it, as supply/demand make that petrol prices become unaffordable. But we are being politically pushed. A lot of people have invested a lot of money in this green economy.
@DaveWatts_ejectamenta
Sadly there is no short-term solution.
Thanks for this I'm trying to decide on an outboard motor. I really don't want gasoline aboard but electric is crap for range and speed. Also probably a real nasty thing to charge using a carbon foam battery bank.
Tohatsu and Merc make 5hp propane powered outboards. Far easier for fuel. Hook up your BBQ tank. No fuel conditioners, ethanol worries and easier to store.