The Acolyte pt. 6 REVIEW: Breaking Star Wars Tradition?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ก.ค. 2024
- The Acolyte Episode 6 "Teach/Corrupt" is out and we break down the episode and discuss the themes and direction of the character development.
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"My eyes are up here, Osha"
LMAO
Ayo!😂😂😂
She saw his third lightsaber
he decided to get himself a pupil at all costs 😂
She did have that lingering gaze right lol
“I’m not easily manipulated like my sister” 4 minutes later wearing a Sith helmet lol
that dark side’ll get ya
More terrible Disney writing
@darthvader2623 oh shut up like u can do better
But she wasn't really manipulated... he let her do whatever she wanted. She was free to leave at any time. She followed him everywhere he went like a little puppy.
Oh my word.....I DIDNT EVEN REALIZE THAT 😂😂😂
Lee Jung Jae really brings out Master Sol's character as we see his downward spiral they honestly couldn't have picked a better actor to fill this role.
He's the best part of this show. You can see he plays a conflicted character bubbling under the surface. Smilo Ren is just overly dramatic in opposition to that, it's a bit childish imho like beating the viewer with the message.
I wonder if 'killing the dream' means turning the Jedi to the dark side? I mean, you don't exactly need a weapon to do it after all.
In a way I feel bad that he is being type-cast like that. "Range" vs "one-trick pony". He's not the only actor who can have range.
Rewatch the show now and focus on master sol and his expressions it paints a very different picture of things!
great acting indeed
Vernestra not liking to hyperspace travel is a nod to the High Republic books where she experieces the Force in a different way while in hyperspace
And the whip was cool to see too. But yea I liked how the linked in so well like this
Ahhh thats so funny because I was like: WHY WOULD THEY INCLUDE THAT? THERE HAS TO BE A MEANING TO IT!
And I was scouring the High Republic Comics to find something but didn't ... but now that you mention the books it makes sense as I haven't given them a try yet. (Are they any good?)
Anyways, I'm glad to see they put that in there to acknowledge background lore.!
Not worth the screen time 😏
@@amarured The books are very good! Vernestra shows up more in the kids books, so I don't know that much about her, but she's also a major character in Out of the Shadows, when she starts to understand what happens to her when she's in hyperspace. This book doesn't give a definitive answer, though.
@@amaruredthe adult books are good, some are even excellent. The Nihil Leader Marchion Ro is a great villain. I just started a young adult book, Defy the Storm, and so far don’t enjoy it as much. Vernestra is one of the main characters and she basically “sees dead people” and talks to them while she’s in hyperspace. I heard from others that she gets force visions also while in hyperspace
Him getting nude and then going swimming knowing she was there was hilarious. Seduction of the dark side!
Would
Darth Zestus
Darth Cake🍑😂
Then him saying “If you not gine join me, let me put on some clothes.”
Now I understand all the complaints about this show being so woke. This scene turned me gay!! ... The dark side is a pathway to what some may consider.. unnatural.
One thing I noticed when Osha asked what happens when you put the helmet, Qimir said only what you take with you, which reminds me of The Empire Strikes Back when Luke went into the cave and Luke asked what is in there and Yoda said only what you take with you.
I think it's meant to mirror many different scenes. The Dagobah cave, yes. Qimir mentions the training helmets that younglings used, as well. But the breathing is also remniscent of Anakin's first breaths through the helmet as Vader, and even a bit of Kylo Ren with the mask representing who he was trying and failing to be.
Followed by the Vader-esque breathing ... yes it's a strong play for the nostalgia of that scene
I am about to be " one of those guys" the cave was in TESB not RoTJ. Even hard core fans can make mistakes when they talk. Sorta puts that " Anakin blew up the death star" quote into perspective. Lol.
The Empire Strikes Back.
@@KYWAN_MURPHY_O.G.N.C. I got it wrong, my bad. I edited my post.
Anyone notice that Alan has a deep understanding of the ways of the Sith. Someone almost trained in the Dark Arts?
Its well know he uses his platform to push anti Jedi propaganda.
@@SpottedHares he knows everything about Democracy just like the Sith
Come to think of it I haven't seen Xoxaan lately
"To understand the force, one must study all its aspects, not just the dogma of the Jedi."
@@jacoboneill2494 Alan knows things the one can't learn through the Jedi order.
I see Qimir's hideout has a sensible rope fence to keep people from falling over the ledge. Can't have an obvious safety hazard there when Osha drops in, of course...
Also proof he is not part of the rule of two, Sith have no safety standards just look how how palpating ran the empire.
I guess you could say he’s, OSHA Compliant
Guard rails? In Star Wars?? Just another way Disney is disrespecting our childhood!!
Hahaha xD
::chef's kiss:: Perfect!!
Something I think people need to note here: Qimir broke a tradition that actually needed broken with Sith aftermath scenes. He shows us he's human by just generally relaxing around his base. I know it makes people who loved Jecki and Yord angry to see him so content to have killed them but I just love the fact he didn't go to a meditation sphere or stare out at the waves and monologue while grinning psychotically.
However one thing to note: we cannot verify he ever tells us any truthful thing. He has spun us a nice narrative: a man with a scar on his back who was cast away by his Jedi Master and he learned to free himself through the Darkside. It's a nice story but let's keep in mind he kidnapped Mae and twisted her mind. Even Palpatine could be charming when he neded to, hell Marka Ragnos could put on a show even with those pointy teeth.
Also let us all note his helmet serves the purpose of not just blocking out thought detection but in allowing him to center himself and not be blinded by the outside world. Also was I the only one who got chills when the scriptwriters called out a scene from Empire Strikes Back? Not going to say it and leave the Anti Fans to scratch their heads on that one. Maybe some of them will watch it back and realize that while some of the actors might be new to Star Wars and don't know their material the writers have at least watched the best film in the Original Trilogy.
I think that the guy who plays/ played Yord saying " Anakin" blew up the DeathStar was excited and was just talking to fast to catch what he said. People do that all the time. But when someone is looking for some reason to hate something they will find ant thing to justify their hatred. I like The Acolyte. It's a good show. In my opinion on Par with Andor.
@@KYWAN_MURPHY_O.G.N.C. One could argue not being attached to source material makes you a better candidate for acting a role in it but you can also argue the other way too for various points. However, i just like it when people are honest if they don't know a lot about something. Just say it but be like well its an honour to be in such a beloved franchise or just be like fuck it it's a job for me but I'll do my best to make it entertaining and consistent.
@@KYWAN_MURPHY_O.G.N.C. Honestly given how he dies and how quickly it also might explain why he was off in that interview but I do believe he might just be collecting pay check and that's fine. Some of Marvel's best actors didn''t know comic storylines if I recall the golden days of the MCU. Didn't stop them from being great actors when push came to shove did it? I would dare say after seeing fans make fun of them they were spurned to learn more.
But if you're going to die off just to show how powerful manny is well I would be bitter too.
He said that it just blocked out lightsabers and the his senses, so that he could focus on just Force to guide his moves. Like the blinder helmets that they use to teach the young Jedi how to let the Force guild their lightsaber moves.
Which we saw Luke use in the original movie, where Obi-Wan was training him to block the little laser ball training droid on their trip to Alderaan. And the Younglings used the same way, in Yoda’s lightsaber class in Attack of the Clones, I think. And Sabine tried and failed to use in the Ahsoka series, because she was nowhere near ready to use the Force or block weapons fire like she did a few episodes latter like an expert.
I‘m not entirely sure Qimir is a Sith. He‘s someone who no longer feels bound by the restrictions the jedi order puts on its members and he doesn‘t follow jedi philosophy, but that alone is insufficient to make him a Sith. That line about gaining his freedom by losing everything - that‘s pretty far from the Sith code line „through victory my chains are broken“. And there‘s something else: Apart from his red blade and the use of a lightsaber form many commentators identify as Juyo - a form supposedly connected to the dark side, has Qimir demonstrated any use of dark side abilities? He didn’t use lightning, I don‘t remember him choking anyone.
From what we‘ve seen so far he‘s not an obvious villain, merely a powerful antagonist who doesn‘t pull his punches against the jedi.
"Theres no action on this episode"
Um, excuse me, what about the epic Bazil and Pip vs Mae fight scene
Best fight scene ever
They definitely don't like her.😂
Qimir's scars on his back were made by the green Jedi's whip. His old master.
That point may or may not be true, but that's the problem with a whip as a "weapon." A sword or gun is an instrument to kill when killing is necessary. A whip is an instrument of torture, all the time. A person who uses a whip against other creatures is a torturer, and it proves their hideous character.
Except Ves isn’t that old…
@@gamedude412Ves is 116 years old in the show
@@paparoach437- And Qimir said he was a Jedi _a _*_long_*_ time ago._ So maybe he's older than he looks.
@@gamedude412 Could be. Her species may have a longer life
I'm most intrigued by Qmir saying he was a Jedi a very long time ago. Also, are we all thinking the scars on his back look like they're from a whip.....maybe a light whip?
Ohhhhhh
That would be interesting
Also explains why the shot with venestras vip game just arround the scar
So ventatres could be his old master
@@knutlindenhoff697 I may be totally imagining this, but she seemed to recognize the way or style in which those jedi had been killed. I'm choosing to believe she knows exactly who is behind all of this.
Saved me the trouble of typing out this theory.
I doubt he's telling the full truth, though. He's not an honest person. I'm guessing the scar came from his Sith master, since they do tend to torture their students.
Exactly my thought as soon as I saw his scar!
Qimir using the cortosis helmet as a sensory deprivation tool is identical to Obi-won putting the helmet with the blast shield down on Luke's head. It is the original lore not a break. Essentially, Qimir did that whole battle in episode 5 physically blind. Let me say that again. During most of the episode 5 battle, Qimir was physically blind. He only saw what the force revealed to him.
Basic jedi training as you said with Luke and the younglings but yeah it's definitely still impressive taking 8 jedi seeing nothing.
Manny Jacinto is crushing this role. His performance gives us a view of how Palpatine seduced Annikan.
Sol is slowly falling apart and the actor is eating this role up.
I love this nuanced view of the Jedi.
Anakin*
Palpatine attracted Anakin with penis?
Well let’s just hope palpatine didn’t reveal his Schwartz to anakin. No diddy
Can you imagine Palpatine cooking dinner? Villains were so much more comically evil and one-dimensional when the expectation was that they'd only be seen for 5 minutes of a movie, rather than several episodes of a show with spin-off/crossover potential.
Kudos to manny
You say Qimir was calm & refreshed. I say he was having a blissful day after a great victory that was killing so many Jedi and getting himself a new toy. Also, his strategy with Osha is the very opposite of the one he had with Mae, which kinda points to it being another mask, his "let's play the role of a former Jedi" mask.
Sol is facing his Dark side, he's in his dark side cave moment. Will he vanquish it or he'll be vanquished?
I agree. I like how you said he wearing 'let's play the role of former Jedi'. He's manipulating her ever so slightly imo
I agree with this, i think the scar is telling that he had a master that tortured him. I wouldnt be suprised if the scar on his back wasnt from an energy weapon but rather a knife from perhaps a sith master that he ran away from
The real question is what the hell is Bazil up to?
he initially was hunting mae, but he's concerned about sol, he sees the mask falling
He's carrying the show
Basil is the Syth.
@bburgjaco I know that's in jest but you never know look at yoda, look at jar jar.
The smallest and weakest appearing characters in story telling are the strangest
He was tracking Mae and he realized "Osha" had the same scent, so I'm sure he was gonna try to get away from her and find a way to warn Sol.
I liked last nights episode. The duality, Qimir giving Osha free will, and Sol restraining Mae so he can talk is interesting.
Ooo! I hadn't caught that!
There was a lot of contrasting and symbolism. I rather agree that it made the show feel deeper than it has and also the relaxed pace of it telling us that we still don't know what we don't even know was like predicting a novel and getting to the point where all the twists are done and finding out, for once, no you have no freaking clue what's going on. A rare satisfying feeling that as a writer. Usually, stories follow grids so well maintained I can predict it as if seeing the future. Hope these writers stick around after The Acolyte and lend some aid to at least novels. Might get another Aftermath level one that way.
Same here, but I m missed off for how short these episodes are, they could have made them longer or connect them :/
@@daviddent5662 I agree completely! So many twists and turns, last nights episode really got the theories churning for me again, which really this show has finally brought back for a lot of us.
Who gave Qimir that oddly shaped scar? Possibly a light whip? Who was Qimir’s Jedi Master? What changed in him to make him want his freedom? What did he actually mean by Power of 2? Did he mean Rule of 2? Or was he referring to the “Power of One, The Power of 2, the Power of many”?
A lot of questions that I’m excited to have answered.
@@saphyrionelendilion7166 that’s my biggest gripe with the show. I’m not a fan of these 30-~35 minute episodes. I find myself about 3/4 of the way through just checking the time and getting kinda sad ab it. Idk if that’s just my binge brain wanting everything at once or what but I’d really like 45-1hr long episodes.
I’ve never been a fan of how Disney+ shows are formatted compared to every other streaming service
The island may be located on Bel’demnic. It matches the description of the Planet including down to the vein of Cortosis.
Vernestra has visions of the force while in hyperspace, so it is interesting why she says it’s “unsettling” for her in the show
But wouldn’t you want to master that, she in her book said to be the greatest jedi of her generation
I don't think they necessarily altered the lore with the Cortosis helmet. Qimir explained that it's handy against lightsabers, but that the helmet itself is *designed* to be a deprivation chamber like the helmets Younglings and Luke wore so they could learn to sense through the Force and not trust their normal senses, not that the Cortosis is what makes it act as one. So it's more of a combo of form and function in that he has a lightsaber-proof noggin that allows him to focus and enhance his powers while he's wearing it. He's probably just one of the first to realize how much more powerful you get when in that state. Like how Kanan became more powerful after he was blinded.
Interestingly when Osha picked up the saber and went into her first stance, it looked a lot like Ataru to me. Very similar to Qui-Gon in the Phantom Menace, with the emitter in the vertical close to her head. So that she defaults to that at least hints that Sol has taught her it, which is quite the aggressive stance for the time, similar to what Jacky did before. Only when Qimir approaches her she switches to what looked to me like Shii-Cho, but opening up to what looks like Ataru is quite the choice and hints by showing about her own passionate, if not aggressive, potential. Same thing we saw Jacky do, so maybe Sol as a master has a type of padawan when it comes to emotional potential, even if its subconcious?
Sometimes, I feel like the only guy who likes this show from beginning to end. Maybe I am not expecting what a lot of other people online are expecting... but I'm enjoying this show.
there are a lot of people who enjoy this show, i think that the hatred has just suppressed a lot of people
@@GenerationTechthe hate for this show has just been so overwhelming, and a lot of the hate has honestly been disingenuous so it’s really drowning out the love that a lot of us have for this show.
A lot of the people who love this show I’ve noticed, have been feeling obligated to defend it from those disingenuous haters as well which has been really drowning out the love
I've enjoyed it from jump. Solid 7.5 for me so far. The hate has been insane. The grifters are even picking apart episode 5 now saying that the fight was unrealistic. They just gotta hate now.
@@Raxeleus I agree! Definitely a 7.5-8.5 for me depending on the episode
Best way to counter baseless negativity is to point out the good, then let the people decide
I thought the implication of the helmet was that it actually blocked out external stimulation like the training helmets. From the last seen all we get is Osha breathing inside the helmet and theirs no fancy tech to allow the user to see just a paper thin slot.
He was basically fighting blind and def in the last episode.
Except thats a lie. In the earlier episodes you can see his eyes through the helmet slits. So he sees out just fine.
@@charliedulindid you not see the last scene of this episode?
It is odd that he can still perceive his surroundings in The Force, but he didn't want to remove the helmet allegedly because he didn't want Sol to read his mind. Even with the helmet off, Sol didn't seem to read his mind.. A red herring, perhaps.
Are Qimirs scars on his back…whip marks…SaberWhip marks?
Struck from the back?
Unarmed?🤔
Vinestra whipped him?
Did you see how that whip instantly cut through that bug? I think if he was hit by the Lightsaber Whip it would have done a lot more damage.
that's a kink not many are into
@@904_noah true but i think if a force user wanted, they could use the force so the whip hits its target without killing it
@@904_noah lightsabers have power settings for the blades intensity.
And it can be lowered to nothing more than an LED that can be used for mock duels or high enough to burn through dura steel.
Examples of characters with these sabers that have these settings
Ezra's Blaster saber
Kanan Jarrus' lightsaber
Exar Khun.
@@baki484 Sure, lightsabers can do that. Why would a whip have power intensity levels besides maybe training with it? That just makes no sense to me
I'm pretty sure that all the "nudity" is there to inspire fanfiction.
But that's just a theory, a Star Wars theory!
Leslye headland literally said that this show is basically a beat for beat of a fanfic that she made a while ago before she joined Disney 💀
The MatPat is strong with this one!
@@daviddelarosa4955 That is not at all what she said.
She said that after Episode one of the Acolyte was released, her staff showed her a fanfiction that pretty much nailed a lot of the plot points, including a Osha/Qimir ship.
She also said in the same interview that she is intrigued and wanted to explore the phrase from A New Hope, that "Anakin was seduced by the Dark Side," with an emphasis on the seduction.
That’s just a theory…a FANFIC theory. (New show for Game Theorists?).
So, I think you'll find that Vernestra was Qimir's Master. The scar on his back looks like he got it from her hollo-whip. That's why they showed his scar and her whip in the same episode. There is a strong chance that she is the Sith, and he was her apprentice. Or, failing that, that she knew her padawan was being tempted to the dark side, tried to kill him and covered it up. The fact she even uses a whip and that it is purple definitely indicates that she has dark leanings.
i love ur insight whip + scar .i had guessed heed defeted an old sith making him the only sith lord ,hint at when she [osha] asks qimir what do u realy want. he replys = i want two or desier 2 or somthn .i think green b is fucked up and ur right btw
What has purple got to do with it?
@@historicflame972people who sue purple lightsabers are a balance of dark and light. Red+blue=purple. Mace Windu was especially good at fighting fake side users because he used the dark side against them. So as opposed to someone like Obi-Wan who is pretty much completely light, these people embrace their dark sides.
@@mateo10734 I was under the impression that's a misconception
@@mateo10734 From one point of view, perhaps. SLJ wanted a purple one because he likes purple.
The color-coding of lightsabers has been touched on, but isn't always consistent, it is seemingly more akin to anime hair colors than anything else - just to help differentiate on screen/media.
Am I the only one that remembers when Luke hugs Han and Leia in “return of the JEDI.”?
Luke was a different kind of Jedi - page-turning through old Jedi Manuals and clipping the ideas he liked, while skipping the rest.
I'm enjoying this flip between light Jedi and dark Jedi. I think what's consistent in star wars is that having power is corrupting. Berucracy corrupts. We've seen a lot of goodness in the Jedi, but not the flaws.
I think the show is doing alright... not a favorite show or anything, but not as bad as people are always claiming. Thanks for your input because other channels are bashing anything Disney puts out and it's nice to see another perspective 😁
A lot of people seem to want the Sith to be violently evil, borderline insane if not out right insane (like in the SWTOR game). But, But, Mr Lucas showed what the real power of the Sith is: corruption, slow, calculated well planned. Palpatine won, mind you. A never used his light saber until the end. Qimir seems to be cut from the same cloth. "Destroy the dream". He's now corrupting Sol's dream: Osha. He made mincemeat of the Jedi. The cruelty of using children in war. I still think the episodes would have been better if they were 45minutes or more. They failed to choose between being a character show or action show. Personally, I want a story with characters, not a regurgitation of "canon" stories that are already written and available. Just my opinion.
I think the issue is that palpatine is an extreme example of a sith lord, he subverted many of the sith teachings I believe, and was the first in a thousand years to make such big moves. I personally want to know what the "normal" sith get up to when they aren't cackling like skeletor trying to destroy those pesky jedi. Things like freely studying the occult, dark sides of the force which the jedi forbid, or exerting their brutal influence just enough not to be noticed, or leading secret little dark side cults.
The same Skywalker lore fanboys who say Luke can do not wrong are likely the same ones who say Jedi do not hug. Odd. Luke hugged, laughed, got angry, and - do not forget - used a Dark Side Force Choke on a Gamorrean when he entered Jabbas palace. Hypocrisy is alive and well on the alleged Light Side.
Qimir emerges as a complex character who challenges traditional views of the Force. Unlike the typical Sith we’ve seen in movies and television (Darth Sidious, Darth Maul, Darth Vader), Qimir lives in exile on an island, someone who was “thrown away” by his master. His interactions with Osha reveal a perspective that emotions like anger and fear do not inherently lead to the Dark Side. It’s “semantics.” Qimir critiques the Jedi’s one-sided teachings and offers an alternative path, emphasizing the importance of understanding and embracing deeper emotions. Through his dialogues, he presents himself as a wise, albeit unconventional, mentor, aiming to teach Osha that there is more to the Force than the Jedi’s rigid doctrines.
Qimir is the one who teaches in this episode, but it’s also possible to say that he corrupts. Teach and corrupt being two sides of the same coin, from a certain point of view.
I do find it weird how angry people get about minor lore details. the lore is there in service of the plot and telling a good story not the other way around.
I liked the episode and the relationship between Osha and Qimir is super interesting to me. Moreover, I would say that Qimir (at least to me) became the most interesting character of the show.
When Qimir said he was tossed aside, I automatically went to thinking he’s Maul. I think the tie to his scars and Vernestra’s lightwhip are a false connection.
My guess is that he’s more likely a Sith apprentice that was disposed of by his old master, but “somehow, he survived” and now is trying start his own rule of Two.
Either way, these short episodes are great but such torture compared to the hour treatments we get from House of the Dragon. Can’t wait to see how this plays out. Also, considering there will be a season 2, I wouldn’t be surprised if it ends with us not getting to see the current Sith Lord reveal, and they save it for season 2. Would suck, but not keeping my hopes up too high for it.
I haaaaate that Osha seemed to accept Jecki and Yord’s BRUTAL deaths so quickly from the mouth of their killer. Yord DIED to protect her and Sol, and only went to his death per Osha’s urging to return. She has known him since they were younglings- like 🤯
I mean, Manny is 🔥, but damn. Harsh.
Well, Luke didn't seem to be moved by the death of his uncle
@@mynameisthething7410 Very true. But these are completely different characters, and I guess I expected more from Osha. So this is me disappointed☹️ Luke wasn’t in a direct confrontation with the troopers that killed his family. He didn’t get to hear from the trooper’s mouths the reasons why he should not care about their deaths. Had he been, I would have expected to see more. Sigh!
@@mynameisthething7410 No, only his whole life plan changed from the deaths of his Aunt & Uncle.
Jecki had said in an earlier episode, to Osha, something about it being: an honor to witness someone becoming one with The Force.
The Jedi's rules of attachment are based in this. Yoda says that: we are luminous beings, not this crude matter.
She didn't accept their deaths...she's just trying to navigate her situation.
Qimir's actions make sense for a Sith. They are ALL about free will and choice (all be it as a manipulation but still). The fact that he just relaxes after killing several Jedi makes perfect sense too. His demeanor reminds me more of Count Dooku than Darth Maul. Fierce combatant but calm when not in direct conflict. Now that I think of it, Qimir reminds me more of Darth Sidious. The way he played the bumbling shop owner "afraid" of Mae's power similar to Sidious pretending to be weaker than he was when petitioning Anankin for help against Mace Windu.
I totally forgot how he played the "bumbling shop owner" wow Qimir is so full of it😂😂 bravo to the actor and the character👏👏👏👏
The Sith are more "human", primal and instinctual, while The Jedi seem more like "robots", reserved and methodical.
I love how some other channels literally play into the clickbait style and call the episode a literal waste of time, despite it working to build character arcs
Exactly....they're just nit picking for no reason
I loved how manipulating he was to osha. I also have a feeling that the planet is the one from the darth plagueis novels.
I think Sol is not "falling" so much as he is discarding his fake good guy persona. I love how it appears that he knew it was Mae all along. Like he waited for her and then shut the ship down to distract her, same thing with the hug, it's like he knew she was thinking murder so hugging her threw her off again, and then he gained the upper hand and tied her down. I think he still wants Mae. She's the one with the mark, and so maybe more powerful than Osha in his mind. And that's why he discarded Osha as a Padawan so long ago. She said it was her choice to leave but you saw her eyes light up when he asked her to go with him to apprehend Mae. He's had bad intentions all along and for so many years he thought he'd lost his opportunity with Mae. Now that she's alive he's been SUPER desperate to get her back. You can feel that when he talks to Vernestra. Loving the show.
I thought this was a strong episode. I really like the normalization of the Dark Side. I think this is what a lot of us were expecting this shiw to he about the whole time. But Im glad it's here now.
How much you wanna bet when osha takes the helmet off qimir is standing there naked again
Giggity!
😂
Regarding Amandla's portrayal of the twins, she seems kinda wooden as Osha; and with Mae she's more intense, menacing and mistrustful of others. It appears that Stenberg connected better with the Mae personality than with Osha.
Thank you Allen! You are renewing my faith in Star Wars content creators!
There are some who have the opinion (which is acceptable) that the Jedi are perfect and infallible (especially Luke Skywalker) and they are not (my opinion). Also, they expect that the Jedi Order’s rules to never change over time, but if you look at such a society, you will see that they will evolve, sometimes for the better and some times for the worst. For example, take celibacy for Roman Catholic priest, that was a rule which was adopted long after the founding of the Catholic Church.
Keep up the good work and thanks again!
“Mark, your typical assistant to the regional Jedi manager type” 😂
The stuff in this episode with regards to what they hint at with Sol and Vernestra has peaked my interest to where I am like, “Oooooooh ok I see so that’s where this show is going with this whole idea.”🤔
This episode was just ok but I think it laid the groundwork for what could be a good or great finale with the next two episodes. We are getting some more light saber action soon and I can’t wait!
Alan, you are probably the most level headed and fair reviewer I've listened to, and I give you mad props for that
Word!
He's ok.
This perspective allows you to almost sympathize with antagonist. Its wo great to see the dark side and its seduction
Not really this guy just murdered her two best friends from school. Yord was a youngling with her. This is like befriending a school shooter after the shooting…. It mental illness in action
I liked the Episode, especially the toughts of Master Sol. Seems like his past is so Dark, that even the Jedi`s first thought was that it`s Sol and that would explain the Stuff Ki Adi Mundi said in Episode 1 and would show us how corrupt the Jedi truley are.
What I liked most about this episode was that it was basically the dark side version of a training arc
I thought this was the first episode that wasn’t nonsensical. Qmir was great. I’ve liked him the whole way.
I think people are looking too far into the quote about Qimir's helmet being sensory depriving. Thats not an element of the ore, its a property of the helmet. Its not a magic Force buffer; limiting your senses in any fashion is the buffer.
I enjoyed this episode, as I have all the others. It's a great series. I find it sad that some people only see it in a negative light.
I got a bad feeling about Sol after this episode. We might end up with Vernestra fighting and potentially killing Sol.
or maybe Sol became a dark jedi
This was a good episode, I loved Quimir and Osha's interactions. He is seducing her to the dark side, by getting her to open her mind to his point of view. Sol is unraveling. I think he finally realized it was Mae by the way she treated the PIP droid. Osha always spoke to it, Mae treated it like a tool. I didn't understand why he didn't know it was Mae right away, but I think he is so conflicted it affected his judgement. I am interested to see how the show resolves everything. Predictions: Quimir and Osha and Sol and Mae all end up back on Brendok for a final flashback and confrontation. Vernestra was Quimir's Jedi master, those scars on his back look like they were made by a whip! I enjoy and respect your reviews.
Lot of people are saying Vernestra used her whip on Qmir as punishment or torture. It could also be he turned on her and she got a strike in during a battle.
11:57. To paraphrase; He says that his Cortosis helmet “is useful against lightsabers, and works as a sensory deprivation device, like the helmets we used while first training with a lightsaber. It drowns out all distractions. Leaving only you and the Force to guide your moves.”
Amandala did a stellar job in the 1st few episodes letting you know which twin was which but I agree that that has degraded as time goes on.
I think that is by design. Right now they have her character always "Waking up" which has to mean something. But in the ep I think Amandala did very good with her scenes.
I think everyone gave top notch performances this episode. The duality of the episode and setting was great. Our "heroes' in the dark cold space. "Villains" on the sunny coast.
I just saw part of a Leslye Headland interview where she said that Qimir was originally going to go back in hiding until Season 2 but then she saw Manny Jacinto's performance and rewrote the last 3 episodes.
I agree. The grifters and lore lords are really crapping on this show, without even seeing the whole thing.
I feel its the stigma with Star Wars, especially after Mando season 3, Boba Fett, and the Sequel Trilogy.
This show needs to be watched from start to finish, not nitpicked as it slowly releases.
They released it slowly… it’s not our fault they improperly released there 180m 30min long show
@@gamedude412 Its not their fault that modern society has the attention span and literacy of a newt.
@@thaddomick agreed
They're seeing it - through the lens of The Dark Side. Actively seeking flaws, and trying to correlate events portrayed from a hyper-critical and negative perspective. This is the Fans vs "Fans" issue.
Qimir just wants to be allowed to exist and do things his way, but the "Fans" won't let him.
I guess by your logic Alan shouldn't be doing these reviews of each episode because he too has not seen it "start to finish"?
I heard that Vanestra finds hyperspace unsettling because she has a history of experiencing force visions while in hyperspace.
I liked the Sith teachings he fed Osha in this episode. It was a good calm down after the fight. Other than Basil stuff it was well done for what it was.
Qi’mir is secretly the 20x grandchild of Darth Zannah and a male witch that was off-screen in the witch coven.
That’s the level of insanity people are getting with how “deep” they are making this show in their head.
Yay, Generation Tech!!!🧡💛
I liked the episode because - as in real life - it blurs the boundaries between good and evil into shades of grey. In addition, the portrayal of Qimir and Sol is really well done (unfortunately not that of the twins).
It almost seemed to me as if Qimir's silence in response to Osha's question about his scars insinuated that he had first been expelled from the Jedi Order and then later betrayed, rejected and/or sacrificed by his Sith Master. Perhaps Qimir left himself because he doesn't want to be subordinate to anyone. He has already made his love of freedom and individualism clear. In any case, I believe that the severe scars and burn scars have a Sith rather than a Jedi origin.
I still believe that Qimir is a reinterpretation and canonisation of Darth Venamis (an illigitimate apprentice of Darth Tenebrous) from the Legends. His ability to levitate, his Force healing abilities and his knowledge of cortosis and expertise in poison mixing (Venomous/Venamis) are realative clear clues.
In episode 8 there will be a big showdown between Sol, Qimir, Osha and Mae, that much is clear. And in episode 7 we'll find out what really happened on Brendok.
I suspect that we will see Qimir's former Sith Master in episode 7 and not in episode 8 because he was probably present on Brendak and colluded with the witches or one of the witches (e.g. Koril) was a Sith herself.
I think the brief showing of the lightwhip was to hint that she may have been the one that attacked Qimir, given the odd shape of his scar.
Im beginning to think that he is going to corrupt osha and sol will break completely proving how you kill a jedi without a weapon.
Edit: plus he already tricked the some of other jedi into suspecting sol already. And if he breaks? Who's to say sol won't fall to the darkside?
Hi Allen, I agree this is probably one of the better Disney shows. Not saying much considering the quality of the other shows hasn't been very impressive. I have no issues btw with showing the dark side of the Jedi, or the human side of the Jedi and Sith. Honestly though, other than the original trilogy, when have they ever been portrayed as anything but flawed. Guess I was always hoping for a little of that Obi Wan Propaganda from the New Hope. I also think a lot of people would have a better time accepting these takes of the Jedi if they actually gave you a little background on why. It would also be nice if there a little more exploration of motivations of characters, why they act the way they do. I could probably write a book talking to you about this, would really enjoy a long discussion with you about Star Wars. Take care Allen, much respect and May the Force be With you. and as always stay strong against the dolphin threat.
Setting Corusant on the outside, i can’t wait for the next review to take place at Hotel Mustafar
@@ugoeze7360 well now I'm imagining the song Hotel California, but as Hotel Mustafar....
I loved that the cortosis (bad spelling sorry) serves as a sensory deprivation mask of sorts… idk why, but that adds such a cool element to Qimir, imagining him, basically blind, kinda like kanan, just embracing every angry, dark, brooding emotion he has in total pitch black. Idk, cool change imo
Its so nice to see a balanced and fair reviewer and commenter on the Disney Star Wars Content. While far from perfect, I have my fair share of gripes, I have found the show enjoyable. I do agree that the twins have been the weakest element of the show so far. I would have liked it better if they had been paternal twins played by different actresses, so that one actress could truly embody each role. I'm curious to see what we learn really happened 16 years ago next week!
I think the sensory deprivation thing has nothing to do with Cortosis. Like, in ANH, Luke was just wearing a random pilot's helmet with the blast shield down. The only thing necessary is blocking one's vision.
I dont think that he says it blocks out everything including the force. He says it blocks your senses, like when they were younglings, and that all you have is you AND the force when wearing the helmet.
Star Wars is the only franchise I've seen where people are so anti small retcon/lore additions. I'm a big fan of Xenoblade Chronicles and also Ninjago, both franchises have done this relentlessly for the better. Xenoblade 2 entirely recontextualizes Xenoblade 1. The new Dragons Rising Ninjago show has, once again, recontextualized the creation of the world, all being written by a new team of writers.
Both fanbases have virtually no issue with this. Most of us don't care and are far more focused on the exciting new additions because they give us more questions and they expand our knowledge and wonder about the fantastical worlds these franchises give us.
It's just a damn shame to see so many not being able to accept this with Star Wars. I've always loved when additions happen that allow us to see older content in a new light.
It has happened with the Star Trek fandom on multiple occasions. Same with hate watchers.
This episode stands out above the others by far. The parity of the two sides was great. Qmir learning from his mistakes with May and taking an open approach with seducing Osha to the dark side was fascinating. Hope it keeps this pace after the dumpster fire of a first four episodes
I really enjoyed the episode. You can see what theyre going for and I hope they can stick the landing. I did want to mention. Qimir said he is a sith in ep 5, former jedi in ep 6. But also eludes to being very old in the admission of being a jedi. Might he be deceiving Osha here too and be discarded by his former sith master, seeking an acolyte to kill the sith master and become one himself?
The haters are missing out! This show has layers and I live it. I still think there may be another level of subversion here where we think Sol is breaking and Qimir is in control but we may find later that Sol is learning lessons the Jedi no longer teach and Qimir may find he isnt as free as he feels. Or this going a tragic route and we'll all be crying by the end, lol. I'm glad that I can't be sure what to expect now that most of the more obvious twists have played out.
Best episode so far.
new rage: naked "sith" (you only see his nipples, but yes very immoral from disney). especially those in house of dragon where everyone is practicing celibacy
My brother is one of those people who, while he doesn't watch the ragebait Yotubers, is concerned about 'wokeness'. I told him two things: representation matters - the space witches being lesbians doesn't affect the plot (them having twins is no different than how Anakin was created); and two, all I want from Star Wars any more is to get away from the Skywalkers and show me things I've never seen before like the cortosis or force dyads, etc.
I do kind of understand why people greatly dislike this show but I am LOVING it. The story has me on the edge of my seat and I want to know how this unfolds. I appreciate your positive ‘review’ Mr. Allen! Keep it up!!!
Vengeance for Yord and Jeckie
I don't want vengeance, I want justice.
and Pip!
ill never forgive Mae for what she's done 😡
In the words of Darth Vader:"Revenge is not the jedi way."
Occupational Health and Safety Administration: "I am no Jedi."
Thanks for being level in a time of imbalance
Have you ever watched Orphan Black? One actress plays a bunch of clones. Tatiana Maslani did such an amazing job and the technical advances allowing her to portray up to 4 clones interacting in the same scene was truly awesome. It ran from 2013 to 2017. I'm just pointing this out because you keep referring to the difficulties of having one person portray 2 characters.
An amateur actor, with basic direction and a half-baked script would be more convincing than what we got in Acolyte.
If one of the three is half decent it would be convincing enough.
It's really not that difficult if you do the work correctly, especially in a TV-show.
Your back drops are PERFECT! I often have to remind myself you're not REALLY on Coruscant!!
"Unknown Planet" = Bal'demnic... the rocky ocean world with the cortosis mine where Plagueis killed Tenebrous
I really enjoyed this episode. I knew Sol knew it was Mae but I chuckled every time she got her come up its the whole episode
was Vernestra's hesitation to hyperspace not a reference to the great hyperspace disaster? I really appreciated that line, actually felt like they were acknowledging obscure Legends material. The Acolyte isn't a great show, but it's not as bad as some fans seem to view it. I liked that line as it showed they're not completely blind to the intricate details of star wars
It is a reference
Vernestra has unsettling force Visions during hyperspace travel. (mostly mentioned in „Mission to Disaster“ and „A Test of Courage“ if I remember correctly)
This was such a good episode. Yes, it wasn’t flashy but the intensity of the acting was amazing
Regarding Qimir and his statements about being free to use the Force the way he wants reminds me of a quote from Frank Herbert's Chapterhouse Dune: “Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty.”
11:09 While the individual can get lost in the institution, without the institution the individual is lost. The point is balance.
I do like the change with Qimir's outfit after his dip - from full black to white robe, almost like he's cleansing himself in his mind of the things he did. Not lingering on his past actions.
Qimir is just looking for a concubine, the rule 2 for him, and his old , like vampire old...
Look up Imri Cantaros...he was Vernestra's padawan in the High republic. He was a Genetian who had very strong force empathy, and he also used some dark side methods to win fights. He was "thrown away" by his master at Starlight Beacon. He was saved by Vernestra...but he did end up dueling with Vernestra at one point and I think that is where that scar on Qimir's back is from. Just a thought. I also think that Sol is a Genetian as well and has those strong force empathy issues as well. I think that is why Sol finds Qimir so familiar.
Great episode and great video breaking it down. Thank you for your service to democracy and the Republic!
I didn't really take it as the Cortosis was directly blocking out the Force. More that the helmet simply served a dual purpose of dulling normal senses like sight and hearing, and the external plating was for use in fighting Jedi... But I can also see how the way he said it could be interpreted the way you did.
As you say, the specific details of the lore aren't as important as the story itself.
I enjoy your reviews 🎉
me too,he hits the nail on the head surprisingly often:)
even if it was for 2 seconds, I never thought I'd see the day a saberwhip cameos in live action star wars media
I still contend that Sol knew it was Mae all along.
He figured OSHA was dead, or at least lost to him, and he'd just lost his whole team too so he played along with Mae's deception to get her on the ship peacefully.
What I really like with the scenes between Osha and Qimir is the color theory going on with their clothes. For the entire series so far, Qimir has been wearing dark clothes/colors, with the lightest colors he wore before being Grey or brown. Osha was the same, her Mech-Tech outfit being primarily darker colors aside from her lighter Grey vest. The only time Osha wears full light clothing is the "Jedi Civilian" outfit she's forced to wear. And that's shown most on Khofar where Qimir's Sith outfit is all Black except for his Cortosis, and where Osha is now in all white.
Then, we get to this episode, where Osha is now wearing an outfit fully in shades of Grey. She's morally Grey after Khofar, and is getting slowly pulled into the Dark side. Meanwhile, when we first see Qimir, he's still wearing all black, like he has been all series, until he strips down and bathes, where while in the water and for the rest of the episode, the dark side is shed off him, and he wears a White Tunic for the rest of the episode. He's shed off his darkness for the light, reveal3d that he too was a former jedi, and Osha is now the one closer to the dark side that he was the entire episode. Now Osha is the one holding the red light saber and wearing the helmet of (what the jedi would call) a sith while wearing all Grey. Meanwhile Qimir offers her his ship to leave (if she wants to swim for it), offers to feed her, and gives her advice on her form.
Qimir just wants to be free, and they're both failed Jedi.
Alan visited Alderaan's copy planet or maybe that view is from Coruscant, but not same area what we've always seen 🧐 Yes. Culpepper done good work 🙂
I think Qimir is not a former Jedi apprentice (I guess he could be a former dark Jedi apprentice?). If anything, he might be a former Sith apprentice that was discarded when they found someone more powerful. He is likely afraid of his former master which is why he doesn’t want to pay attention to them, and wants to be left alone.
its possible that he was both a jedi and sith apprentice i think
@@GenerationTech The only thing that seems certain is that he has been discarded and that seems to have made him more centered; he is able to operate in the grey area than most force users. The one issue with Star Wars in general is that they emphasize the dark and the light and minimize that there are so many shades of grey between them.