Finally! A Raspberry Pi Linux Tablet that works!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ก.ค. 2024
- The CutiePi is the first Raspberry Pi-based tablet I've used that I'd actually consider a 'tablet'. It's no iPad, but it is a fun and durable tablet with a little bit of fun in the form of a handle that doubles as a stand.
Is it a tablet for everyone? No. But it does have its uses, and it gives you a full open source hardware Linux tablet that can run a variety of systems, including CutiePi's own Shell UI.
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Contents:
00:00 - This is CutiePi
01:06 - CutiePi Walkthrough
03:17 - CutiePi Shell UI
07:51 - Testing TH-cam playback
09:25 - Portable Use and Battery Life
11:22 - Drawing responsiveness
11:47 - RetroPie gaming test
16:17 - iPad replacement?
17:30 - Teardown
22:46 - Open Source Hardware
23:23 - Shipping delays and getting it finished
25:37 - My thoughts and gaffes - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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I was looking for a controller I could stash anywhere. The brick that is an XBox One or 360 controller I use and love just doesn't fit in a lot of places (tight drawers, bag, a pocket even). The 8BitDo does, and it's not a bad controller either! Sure the sticks aren't amazing, but they work fine and it's not like I'm doing MLG!
@@JeffGeerling good choice, 8bitdo is a personal favorite manufacturer of mine. I actually started modding their controllers, too.
@@JeffGeerling yeah I have a couple of their NES and SNES themed one's, for the same reason and nostalgia.
Would of got the SN30 Pro too, if they had Xbox layout instead of PS layout.
"This display requires a custom driver..." DAYS SINCE LINUX KERNEL COMPILED: 0
LOL!
#triggered
"Restart the Clock!"
(Not that I'm any different. I do embedded Linux for the day job...so I recompile almost every work day...)
Boy do I not need this...but boy do I want one lol
Order the cm4 now, get it in 8 months
@@nathanhamman418 That would certainly make for a good Christmas present...for 2022
It's a scam. AVOID
For an old timer that's been on the internet since the 90s, if someone told us back then you would have to uses an add blocker on a 4 core CPU operating at over a Ghz per core just to surf the web we would tell you your crazy, this is proof just how bloated the internet has become.
Can't say I disagree. I worked on a few large websites, and it was a constant battle trying to prevent marketing folks from forcing us to add in more analytics and 'personalization'/tracking tools. It got to the point where I had to make a presentation to show them how we could save 80% of the page load time just by reducing the number of trackers/systems that integrated with the site, and thus get more satisfied visitors (and better SEO ranking), but nobody bought it. They wanted that precious marketing data :(
@@JeffGeerling Yet they will suffer in the long run as people turn to adblocking.
I resisted for a long long time as I understand something has to pay the bills. But when TH-cam started running ads every couple of minutes, I couldn't handle it any more.
If they had only kept adverts unobtrusive and lightweight, I don't think people would resort to adblocking.
@@alexatkin I use the Brave browser for you tube and I never get ads while watching any videos, I do get them at the beginning but not every video and then I can skip ad after a few seconds. So they don't show up during. When I use chrome it's a complete nightmare.
I feel like this would be perfect to wall mount as a smart home tablet, have all your home assistant buttons/switches on it.
@@flethacker Yeah, my main thought process was that this runs a pi, so you can theoretically install any Unix OS and have complete control over the device, you can't have custom buttons on a kindle/ipad or android (maybe with a jailbreak and root) but to have total control over the backend is actually a big selling point.
If your main purpose was to just run home assistant, a kindle could just have the website up permanantly.
My thoughts as well!!
@@Killerjerick
I agree, but as a sidenote you can make some widget buttons and put it on Android homescreen - for example, Clusterr did it some years ago (th-cam.com/video/-_zjYMXzo7g/w-d-xo.html on 0:30).
"Oh no I'm stuck in vim!" im dead
25:13 ;)
Getting stuck in vim cemented my decision to use emacs decades ago
Didn't notice that! LOL!
Escape :q!
sudo arch install emacs
:P
@@MrGoatflakes Escape, ZZ
It's not that hard...
They should expand the heat-sink plate to 4x the current size, instead of plastic stiffener ribs they currently have.
Also, there is plenty of room for that speaker behind the power switch.
You should apply for a job to work as an engineer at Raspberry Pi, you sound like you've built one of these before.
Put in a fan as well and OC as far as it can. Or just put in a SOQuartz.
Or they could use the room where the handle is anchored for better speakers.
Edit: OH HW is Open Source as well. There is no way stopping us to do something anyway.
@@jeremiahbullfrog9288 OC=overclock. SOQuartz is a Pine64 product.
@@jeremiahbullfrog9288 they can't without going through FCC certification. Alluminium backed devices are required to obtain additional certification to prove they will not burn the user's lap.
I wish the screen was bigger, it would be a neat PDF reader for textbooks. E ink tablets are ideal but most aren't big enough for textbooks
Pinetab soon
@@parkerlreed I think its going to take quite a long time to develop the UI and stuff for those to the point where they're even barely usable. Hopefully I'm just being overly pessimistic though because the idea of the pinetab sounds awesome.
Wouldn't it be great to have a tablet with a transparent screen and an e ink display behind it? Good performance when using the normal display, then switch to the ink display and the battery will last for days.
@@Darenz-cg9zg some smart watches have been built that way. If you were clever you could use a edge mounted LCD backlight as the e-inks front light.
wow I have same wish. A linux base, E ink and DIY tablet
That UI reminds me of my old Nokia N810 tablet. Those were the days. I'm happy to see something like this slowly appearing again
I truly appreciate the calm demeanour in these videos - we're just here to enjoy what cool people are doing with tech.
Thank you for reviewing the CutiePi tablet Jeff, I've been looking forward to receiving my Kickstarter for quite some time. The upgrades to the CM4 module made it a much more worthwhile project indeed. I had high hopes regarding the custom interface they were building, and you've satisfied my curiosity about that.
I picked up the RasPad, and while it's very satisfying, it is a bit large. That being said, Linux on the tablet has finally arrived. Ubuntu 20.10 with a couple of Gnome tweaks is a dream on the RasPad. Ubuntu Budgie 21.04 is pretty solid as well.
Wow, I did something like this with SailfishOS and Nemo Mobile back in 2015. Raspberry Pi 2 of course but the tablet experience was there and the multitasking aspect of a real tablet/mobile-made OS is really good. Might pick this up at some point to refresh some old memories :)
this kinda opened my eyes to just how much goes into making these seemingly flawless devices that we use everyday.
It screams for 18650 batteries compartment right in the handle (or at the edge of device) leaving much more space for motherboard and IO ports at the same time.
Would have been cool if they added the 40-pin GPIO header and a M.2 pcie slot. Then it would be an ideal device for hardware debugging assistance.
17:30 Thank you so much for actually showing that you need to press down the cm4 onto the board. For the life of me I could figure out why my board didn’t work and was about to give up.
Is it just me to see the handle as a perfect 18650 housing place for battery expansion
It would also add more weight to the handle in stand mode, which would make it more stable
Lenovo did the same with their Yoga Tab series. And they had great battery life.
Being able to swap the compute module is a massive YES! I would love a high end version of this where I would keep the main system for say 15 years and upgrade the compute module say every 3 years.
Thanks Jeff! Great review. I've been watching this project since before the kickstarter was launched, and am very keen to see it finally ship. I love the idea of a repairable, open-source tablet that leverages the Raspberry pi community. It is certainly difficult to compare to other consumer tablets since it is thicker, heavier, slower and buggier than other tablets at the same price point. But the fully open hardware and software ecosystem is a huge advantage that those other tablets can't match : I have a few older tablets that would still be perfectly useful today if they still had software support, but sadly they do not. One gotcha is that there are no PGIOs available, so this does't quite fill the same niche as the RasPad.
I'm not sure yet if I will buy one of these, but I feel like it wouldn't take too much to sway the balance in favour of the cutiepi. If version 2 be a bit lighter while rocking a 9 inch 1920x1200 display and staying the same price, then i'd be in! I guess the main issue is that a low-volume, niche manufacturer can't compete on price with the big players. I feel like Raspberry Pi could release their own product in this space that could close that gap. In the meantime, I just might buy one of these in the new year - it would still fill some niches that my Pi4+nexdock does not, and I'm sick of buying hardware that loses software support in just a few short years.
If the cost was right, this could be a great kids tablet.
Even if it cost a quarter of what it actually does, it’s still not a better kids tablet than a 50 dollar kindle fire.
@@JasperJanssen I'd love to be able to get my kids used to linux. Don't have any yet, but I might adopt some, and this would also be great for teaching them some programming.
I don't think it would serve the right purpose - running their games and shitty TH-cam videos
@@Darenz-cg9zg I mean, for an older child that’s getting ready to customize their stuff - maybe. But when I see “kids tablet” I think ‘TH-cam terminal with maybe a game or two”. I got my Model B secondhand from grandad when he upgraded to the A3000, which would have been when in 1989 when I was 10, and somewhere around 10-12 this would be a nice experimenter platform for many kids. “Kids tablet” for me is more the 6-8 age range where you’re lucky if they watch Let’s Play videos of programming adjacent games.
Seems like really developed custom OS 'overlay' software. Impressive the work that's gone into this!
Their keyboard impressed me the most of all-it's actually a pretty darn good implementation compared to many of the custom keyboards that are developed for Linux touchscreens. And they're rapidly improving it too!
this is a really cool product! I hope they succeed! I cant wait to see what they and the community do with this! Its a bit on the pricey side though imo.
Hope I get mine soon!
Backed this back in mid-August of 2020 and feels like I've been waiting for this forever, but was able to muster up a bit more patience after they announced the upgrade to CM4 (initially was to have CM3). Heard they'll be going out November, so hoping the issues you encountered are sorted out by the time I have it in hand! :)
Red Shirt Jeff needs to make an all metal back plate for maximum heat dissipation! ;P
brb just going off to buy a cnc :D
@@JeffGeerling pft. Buy a good set of aviation snips, a set of files and drill with a step bit. That's all you need to make a metal backplate :P
Just got the email this morning to pre-order. Estimated delivery by June. Can't wait to put it through its paces.
Lovely video. Time just flew by
I like the bloopers at the end, please add more!
[ comes in wearing a smart watch, google glasses, and holding a blackberry ]
How do you do fellow tech geeks!
I can see startups use these as a tablet as an interface for their product, supercool!
I was thinking please be open source please be open source..
Did not disappoint!
I would LOVE to work on getting a stable image made for that thing... that would be awesome! Working on that, myself.
Nice coffee cup too, Jeff! I have the same one! ;-)
I really like that handle!
Oh hey, I've been looking for a tablet sort of thing to use as a HomeAssistant kiosk in our kitchen - this looks perfect for that!
Love your videos even though I have no idea about most of everything you mention, got me learning about raspberry pi's and arduino's again
That's how i feel when i watch Louis Rossmann
Love it! I can't wait to get one!
I pre-ordered the CutiePi like a year ago. Nice to see it will actually be shipped….
Honestly with the way the past year's gone for hardware projects, getting it shipped at all will be a victory (IMO). I've seen too many projects where they just give up after a few months of delays.
I'm hopeful all the backers will get their units by the end of the year!
This really has huge potential.
Ah, I'm so glad to see 400 and Pipad! As soon as SteamOS gets to the market we will have a huge change in program (game) development towards linux! It means that we could game on Pi5 with huge amount of non hardware demanding games! What a time to be alive!
Even if Linux gaming gets more popular, I can't see developers porting to Arm in a hurry. Though maybe Apple Silicon will make that slightly more appealing.
But honestly, most games are to heavy even for Apple Silicon, I think you're being rather optimistic about what kind of GPU power the Pi5 will have.
Looks pretty nice! My teeth grind a little at the camera bump, but the handle makes up for it.
Everyone's doing a camera bump these days :D
What a fantastic device! I've been using VNC to port into my Linux machines to do (any serious) work on my iPad when necessary, which was FINALLY possible after the IpadOS upgrade that enabled (clunky) mouse support. This is a real Linux tablet that runs my OS of choice (Ubuntu). I'm a bit amazed. Especially with the potential for continuous upgrades. This is really cool.
8gb of RAM (assuming a compute module upgrade) is really all I need for most of the software I use. Although 16gb would be ideal for 3d rendering software like Blender. This device has lots of potential as the Pi family tree grows...
I really dig this thing, would be really handy around the shop with that handle/stand. I kluged together a Pi4 with an old laptop display, which required a DC/DC and an HDMI->TTL display driver from eBay, but after all that I don't even have touch and I need a keyboard (dust magnet) to go with it. I'd likely pair it to my Ikea bluetooth speaker rather than using the internal speaker.
I loved my Nokia N800 back in the day. Thing was like witchcraft, could Skype and surf anywhere. This kind of reminds me of that with that interface.
Outtakes! Woohoo!
Nice chunky device. :)
I'd buy it, although the weight could be a problem (I have a fire hd 10 that weights that much and it's a pain to use).
I'd not say "it's a raspberry pi" to justify performance though, I'd say "it's a software issue" since plenty of old dual and quad core android phones have better performance when using TH-cam due to better optimized software and drivers.
Agreed. That performance looks no better than my Pi 2 which makes no sense as the hardware has dramatically improved.
Initial reaction: ah man, version 2 has a cm4 but I did the original kick starter so will get a CM3....actually goes and looks at kickstarter after months...Woah! V1 is now a CM4. Awesome!
I am impressed!
Many people don't realize what we can do with ports. It's a beautiful something for Raspberry Pi stuff. I wish I started earlier. I just got 2 Pico's from China and planning on putting together a 3rd RPi 3 B. I just learned a whole lot about power bank issues which turned into something interesting and useful.
well what CAN replace a modern high end tablet? Lets make one Jeff!
The jingpad once they fix the lag
Great video, interesting product.
The handle makes it look like a Speak'n'Spell... 🙂
"THAT IS CORRECT" -Speak 'N Spell 🤓
A version with some gpio broken out would be brilliant for playing with hardware on the move and open up lots of other interesting use cases with sensors, or using it as an oscilloscope etc etc
Couldn't you hook it up to a low end Pi for that?
@@howardlund7669 yeah, but that is more money and more junk (particularly cables) to carry around and Fit on a train table.
Was that the new Turing Pi? Definitely excited for that project to produce a board. Jetson nanos and pis together and their own sbc coming? Can't wait.
Amazing tablet for 2012, can't wait to see what 2021 brings us
Talking facts here
This seems like it'd be very good for running an Octopi instance for 3d printing. Especially if the camera works with it.
Jeff Thank you I have been looking for this kind of device for data modes in ham radio. If you have one please test it with an 8G compute module when you get time.
I put in an 8GB CM4 Lite, and also tested an eMMC module and both worked okay. What kind of ham work do you do? I did check that RTL-SDR works, but didn't go too deep with it.
Expansion pinouts would be great to use/test all the fantastic expansion boards outhere. I would use it with pi2aes to it into the ultimate hifi streamer. Make it and call it the Pipad expansion
"Oh no I'm stuck in Vim again!"
This kind of easteregg (or pie? 🤔) is the main reason I keep coming back to this channel.
This is kind of everything I was hoping the Pengpad was going to be, and much more.
This seems like. a spiritual successor to the OLPC>
It's got a ways to go for that .. Original OLPC ergo design is a tour de force of great design but sadly hobbled by an anemic processor. i have one I've been meaning to upgrade to Pi.
When I saw the handle, I thought - Wow - that is a neat hiding-spot for 18650 cylindrical cells. Fast forward to 19:45 >>DoH
Gotta leave room for future upgrades!
This remaind me the old Lenovo Yoga tablet that hide on edge 3 cells 18650.
Might be great for portable network testing.
Like Nethunter for Android.
Can't wait for the Turing pi 2
Imagine plasma mobile shell running on that thing! Jeff, you should really try that!
Can't wait the next video about maybe a nas one ? Cheers from France ;)
yes, it's going to be fun!
I hope in the future with some improvements this succeed. Sounds great for emulation and some basic tasks
Sounds like a bigger screen would be a good start but the form factors interesting
It's just so sad the performance of the compute module 4 with an UI 🥺 when I clicked on the video I was hoping a better experience. Cool project, I hope a more powerful compute module will be released next year
Camera should be for selfies and videoconference in the big side bezel. If they can still change that. Push IP calls (the Software IP phone starts when receiving a call) with free accounts as linphone ones are growing.
I had the mic problem on my standard linux computer. I had a jabra mic/speaker set that I plugged in and the drivers for that seem much more reliable.
Jeff Jeff Jeff :) use this pick right :) I can't wait :) - Regards from Poland
I'd be interested to see your take on a Pinebook-Pro, an Arm Chromebook alternative based on a RK3399 SoC, 4GB with a 1080p display for around $200.
It's cute for sure.
Personally, I think I'll wait and see what happens with the JingPad for a tablet, but this does look pretty cute!
I forgot I watched this video back when Jeff released it! haha. I've been wanting to have a tablet again, and while an iPad is great, I like tinkering with stuff like Raspberry Pi 4s etc and this project is damn cool. Has anyone tried running FreeBSD on this tablet? I think it'd run quite well since FreeBSD runs well on a full-sized Raspberry Pi 4.
I saw a TuringPi2 - HYPE
I wish someone would come up with a board for the CM4 to convert old IBM Thinkpad's. Those things were build like tanks and the hardware still works great. But that hardware was so limited that they can only run very ancient software. 64MB RAM, 233MHz CPU, 4GB hard drives, USB 1.0, no Wifi, no Bluetooth, etc. Plenty of room inside, especially for cooling. Easy to open up. There must be a lot of the things still around, that haven't been dumped in the landfills. Yet.
Hopefully, they can get it up to par with an iPad. It sounds pretty good.
The chipmunk bug is something present on more USB mics on Linux then just the one from this tablet, i used to use a camera with build in mic from 2007 which sometimes had this issue, which created some funny video meetings with work, especially because it sometimes also made you look purple, imagine that, joining a company meeting and being a purple chipmunk
I guess I was lucky with the couple of other mics I've used on my Linux machines then!
I applaud the effort for an accessible Pi Pad -- Using OLPC as a roadmap to build up Cutie Pi might be a good thing [though I personally never found Sugar anything but frustrating]. back when OLPC arrived, the idea of $100 production cost was revolutionary - since then the Compute and screen costs have plummeted so as to make the thing useful and less frustrating. I think there's still a need for an open accessible laptop not yet addressed by the PI 400..basically all the end users the OLPC was targeted for...but don't use a membrane keyboard ;-)
Did you see the pics of Steve Buscemi passing out candy on Halloween dressed as his "fellow kids" character? He's sporting a gray beard though.
I wonder if other streaming web tools like Jitsi would work? Maybe give that a shot? (Jitsi is super cool, easy to use self-host able video meeting tool, you may like it outside of this test)
If you had a way to put another OS on that thing, may maybe try putting Manjaro ARM with GNOME on it. It works quite well with my pi-top 4's touchscreen.
I predict that it won't be long before devices like this will be comparable in performance to iPads right now. Probably a few years...maybe sooner.
...I actually _did_ walk around with my skateboard in the early/mid 90's like Buscemi...
That ui vaguely reminds me of good old Maemo... Interesting, actually runs a shell in Qt directly in full screen egl...
It's a good review, I think CutiePie is a really good tablet for his proposal, and also, "opensource" with a RaspberryPi community support, but, two important things:
- Comparing it with ipad... is insane, why? compare it with an Android tablet and... CutiePie doesn't work with Android, but use a kernel "Linux" based tablet for that xD (remember BQ Ubuntu Touch tablet and other Ubuntu Touch devices)
- Touch and screen support in other distributions are... not enough, but... you could try to develop drivers and support the project but it's not the main public people 😢
I think it's a good idea, but needs more software and support to get a really good work, I want a RaspberryPi tablet because I want to use RaspberryPi Distributions for all days of my life, not just take a RaspberryPi tablet with 2 operative systems (default and Ubuntu)
You mentioned you liked the on screen keyboard. Can you have a key layout that is qwerty with number and the all import ESC for those of us who don't mind being stuck in vim? I've always been really frustrated trying to use a shell with a on screen keyboard that takes half a dozen (or at least 3) additional taps to do a single pipe.
I know they've been working on a keyboard with modifier keys at the top, I just didn't have time to install it in my testing.
A mini jack could compensate for the less than optimal speaker. Also I would like it to be able to chromecast to my TV.
Feel like it would be better making a board and case which can take a standard tablet screen, offering whatever interface those tablets use. Use the others R&D to drive your open projects.
Hm. This might be the perfect little device to bounce between the 3D printer and the CNC machine.
Wow I could really use something like this
great video! please review the pine phone pro for us :D
Wouldn't mind a tablet using a full tablet from an 8G 4B+ with a 1T or larger M.2 drive, etc. You could build a higher end tablet from one.
"Reading things is hard" - Jeff Geerling ...Famous last words
The camera seems to be the only strange/bizarre choice - the sensor is oriented so it's portrait when the display is landscape (and vice versa) so you can't fill the display with the sensor output
Hmm.. very similar to what I was about to design...and open source...yayyy
You can add your own oleophobic coating. People make too big a deal of damaging coatings or not being able to replace them. (i.e. if you bought a cheap screen protector).
Also you should be using an alphanumeric keyboard to enter your phone password, and preferably an alphanumeric password, to make it harder to scrape the password by reading the smudges on your screen (source: University of Pennsylvania, 2010, Adam J. Eviv, et al.)
They really ought to make an aluminum back plate an option for heat dissipation.
I want one !!
Jeff confirmed as a Dunkey fan. This channel just gets better and better
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