Part 3: Evaluating Mike Winger's Emotional Outbursts . . . To His Own Assumptions feat. Benny Hinn
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I can’t imagine defending Benny Hinn.
If I said something untrue in this video, part 1, or part 2-please provide that quote. I’d be happy to take a look and issue a clarification or correction.
Thanks for the comments.
So don't, but just make sure do it better than him.
Mike is a pervert and a proven liar that has been exposed - GOD will take care of him !! He is a divider .. shame on him !…. Mike winger , please make a video on these two part links - I will genuinely consider you are true else you are utmost bogus and a pervert .. come on I challenge you.. have guts…part 1 th-cam.com/video/LR99-rX7gsI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=9vOKKIC1oPwXIidE… part 2 th-cam.com/video/kHzuu9xyrl4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=MD5i142L2dmgAUfV…..if possible please hold a crusade abroad just one and let’s see the output.. playing with cats and sitting relaxed and earning online is v v easy path..I would please like to see your summary from these two parts…according to you people the following links are false teachings????? Mike and his group all are answerable to GOD!
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Brother, this is important work. I wish these brothers would sit down with us so we could discuss, study and pray together. Grateful for the work you and @jewandgreek do.
It’s almost like you need an objective source to validate the healings were in fact healings.
So you’re defending someone who falsely prophesied and lies?!😮
If I said something untrue in this video, part 1, or part 2-please provide that quote. I’d be happy to take a look and issue a clarification or correction.
Thanks for the comments.
Benny falsely prophesied and he admitted it! He also said he wouldn’t ask for specific amount offerings but he is still doing it. There you have it.
@@theobjectivebelievernice that you respond to multiple comments with the same copy-pasted reply. You’re a coward and don’t know what you’re talking about.
@@1954mill I don't think that the host here is "defending" Benny Hinn, but challenging some of Mike Winger's claims. Has he backed up his claims with evidence or simply made multiple assertions? If you believe that Mike Winger is correct, that is not a problem. I think he may be mostly correct. But as I watched his video I noticed a lot of emotionalism, ad hominem, and claims made that we (the viewers) were simply expected to accept as true. And we should always be willing to listen to multiple perspectives before digging into a position.
@@theobjectivebelievermeanwhile Benny Hinn is now asking for a seed offering to avert or protect from some disaster on the arising.
I've never seen Mike Winger do a single positive video on continuationism and spiritual gifts. It's always a negative critique, ALWAYS. That's a red flag. If you're in hyper critic mode against a movement you can always find negative things to focus on. However there's just as much positive if not more if he's actually TRYING to find it, which is highly doubtful in my honest opinion. Look up John Mellor. He's in Australia. He's had some legit healings happen in his ministry that has been verified by non Christian doctors.
Mike Winger is not a cessationist. I wish the creator of this video would correct this erroneous narrative that is being repeatedly claimed on this thread
@kevinevans8892 that's what he claims. The proof is in the pudding as they say.
The vast majority of Winger's material on Hinn is very calm, well reasoned, and well supported. It seems like cherry picking to eval purported emotional outbursts in defense of Hinn.
If I said something untrue in this video, part 1, or part 2-please provide that quote. I’d be happy to take a look and issue a clarification or correction.
Thanks for the comments.
An objective believer would evaluate the text of what was said and weigh the words alone on the merits without needing to connect "emotional outbursts" to supposed assumptions. Evaluating emotions is inherently not an objective approach.
@@jesusprofessor314 Offer stands.
Thank you
@@theobjectivebeliever Thanks for a great example of the dishonest use of the burden of proof fallacy. Shifting the burden on the audience to disprove what you said in terms of judging and evaluating emotions and relating them to motives. If I participate in that pseudo-science, then I have supported your use of the pseudo-science and then we are just arguing over interpretations of emptions.
@@jesusprofessor314 I never said to disprove anything. I asked you to quote me where I said something untrue. We haven't gotten to the point of proving or disproving anything yet.
To the Winger defenders...do you really believe Mike's claims are substantiated?
Many of Mike's explanations of Pastor Benny's intentions and motivations rely on the pre-established assumption that "Pastor Benny is a bad guy," and therefore, they don't provide substantial proof. Instead, they merely assume his guilt and build from there.
His "proof" really is convincing only to those who already agree with him.
If you don't share his view, like me it just comes across as a series of assumptions and situations interpreted with a personal negative bias, dislike of the man and funny enough, cessationist-tinted glasses, despite him supposedly being Charismatic.
And that's fine everyone's allowed to have opinions but parading these assumptions as facts will always lead to people checking you on them.
And not to mention using these assumptions as valid reasons to hurl insults. That's frankly low-class behaviour you'd only really expect from a child, not an elder in the body of Christ.
Mikes video isn’t the only evidence that Benny is an evil fraud look at his nephew’s interviews. Just watch a “sermon” of his. He is a Word of Faith teacher, which makes him a false teacher. And he lies. And he has a lavish, luxurious lifestyle. These are well-known facts that Mike also knows. Of course he went into it with the assumption that Benny is a bad guy, because any discerning believer wasn’t watching his video to decide if Benny was good or bad, they were watching to see just HOW bad Benny was.
@@mombythesea2426 Oh, and you believe Costi Hinn who just suddenly came out of the woodwork and has no track record. What information do you have about Costi that makes just gullibly believe him.
@@sallybyrd3712 I believe him because he was rich and living a luxurious life at bennys right hand, and then left all that behind to tell the truth. What does he possibly have to gain by giving all that up?
@@sallybyrd3712Exactly!
@@mombythesea2426 Ask yourself, how did a guy who had never pastored, had no advanced degree, and had never built anything suddenly become famous and get a book deal? The answer? He's Benny Hinn's nephew. He's built his whole career on dishing out dirt on Uncle Benny.
Thanks, SJ, for covering Mike Winger's "critique" of Benny Hinn. You have clearly shown (in all three videos) that Winger is indeed making demonstrably, unverifiable claims, and that is all you're doing. Thus, many of the commenters below have misconstrued you as trying to defend Benny Hinn. The bottom line for me is, it is one thing to think that, on the one hand, Benny Hinn's style is off-putting and too flashy, and that he turns off a lot of people, and on the other hand, to conclude that he is a creep, a scumbag, a lying, evil man, who has blatantly used edited tongues to try and cover his mendacity. It makes me tremble when I consider how easy it is for any of us to go from critiquing others' flaws, to becoming accusers of the brethren. God have mercy.
That was the goal. Thank you!🙏
In which case thesmiffers you have absolutely no discernment whatsoever.
@@kenbeach5021 Actually, he has actual biblical discernment, not what passes for discernment on TH-cam. The guy has been educated in theology and has traveled the world for decades supporting missionaries and the work of the gospel. Jesus said to judge with righteous judgment rather than going by outward appearances. In other words, get the facts before you open your mouth and offer opinions and judgment about something or someone. Don't go by assumptions as we see Winger has a tendency to do.
@@JewandGreek Having a theological education doesn't necessarily mean having discernment!
Hinn's butchering of the doctrine of the trinity even though retracted, his placing a curse on critics of his 'ministry' coupled with his unbiblical practice of 'slaying in the Spirit' do not speak of someone in whom ther word of Christ dwells richly and who is filled with the Hoiy Spirit. Giving false prophecies doesn't either.
I do not object to Mike Winger's work on Hinn being subject to scrutiny. However, the in your face evidence of Hinn being a fraud ought to mean he should not be given the benefit of the doubt but rather, due to the potential for so much harm he may be causing, be subject to further investigation. Personally though I don't think there is any doubt.
The church in the last few decades has had an appalling history of failing to do this.
@@kenbeach5021 A fraud is a person who deceives people for financial gain. What is Benny Hinn deceiving people about?
This is horrible. Really an embarrassment for whoever is making this video. Bless your heart trying to defend Benny Hinn. Mike is right on.
If I said something untrue in this video, part 1, or part 2-please provide that quote. I’d be happy to take a look and issue a clarification or correction.
Thanks for the comments.
Hahaha, Costi Hinn (Benny Hinn's nephew, and was to be his protégé) did a two hour interview with Mike Winger, where Costi confirms several major claims that Mike makes, and even displays a weary persona from attempting to address this for years. Spend some time in proverbs, and may GOD bless you and open your eyes.
@@jmcclure18 Costi Hinn is just using whatever he can to boast his own profile and if that means attacking his uncle, so be it. Costi has no shame.
@@sallybyrd3712 Correction Sally, he is actually a very nice Gentleman. I had an opportunity to meet him in person, and for how much clought he has, I found him humble, and would recommend other church leaders to follow his lead. So much that 1 Peter 3:16 comes to mind for this conversation.
@@sallybyrd3712I do not subscribe to Costi's cessationist doctrine but I find it incredible that strangers would question his testimony as if they know Benny Hinn on a personal basis like Costi. Would you question Prince Harry's testimony about his experiences with the Royal Family at Buckingham Palace? Would you?
Follow the evidence, not a narrative.
No, God is not always willing to heal.
God is not a vending machine.
Yes, God is always willing to heal. Jesus was God in the Flesh and he was always willing to heal.
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@@sallybyrd3712 2 Corinthians 12:7-10 (ESV): So to keep me from becoming conceited because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to harass me, to keep me from becoming conceited. 8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this, that it should leave me. 9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
It sounds like Paul was ok with God not being willing to heal him.
Team Mike 🤙🏻 guy is doing amazing work
I like Mike too and have recommended his teachings before. That said, if you make unverified claims, you’re going to get called on it. Nobody gets a pass. Mike included.
Maybe Sir Benny should repent of his false doings ?
This feels like a weird what about-isms.
Why should he repent just because Mike Winger has a different theology and is putting out his opinions just because he is biased. Mike Winger is a cessationist so he does not believe in healing and speaking in tongues, therefore he lacks understanding.
@@sallybyrd3712 i won’t speak on Mike Winger and his intentions but I can look at the evidence or proof that he levied. And unless he falsified or doctored any of his claims which at this time I have yet to hear about. I think his concerns are quite alarming
When being a Christian I think we should be very careful with how we conduct ourselves especially since now we are representatives of the kingdom. BUT especially if we say we are speaking on God’s behalf with personal revelation or miracle ability
I’m not going to try and put God into a box, but I do look at the OT standards for prophets and ask myself if it’s not more probable that a man was in error and not of God (self deluded or a wolf) rather than God allowing his spokesman to keep making false prophecy
I don’t know the man and thus can’t speak to his heart. I can only assess his actions and impact but when you literally speak on God’s behalf and get it wrong so many times. Does that not hurt our witness to those who we want to join the fold ?
Make one thing clear. I do want Benny to make it to heaven and I don’t doubt his genuine love for the lord , I don’t see him as a con man. But I do hope he self corrects sooner than later
@@sallybyrd3712Mike Winger is not a cessationist. He's a Calvary Chapel continuanist in the tradition of the legendary Chuck Smith
Thank you for your video I have never listen to one of Benny Hinns sermons. . Something about Mr Wingers video disturbs me, however. . Mr Winger says he is chiasmatic. An d with his logic one can say he uses that to get views to criticize others. When in actuality he may not quite be charismatic. .lol. At 13.20 of your video. Mr Winger seems to not understand that Jesus is the healer and not Benny Hinn. Benny Hinn kindly instructs all of this fact. To which he is called a scumbag by Winger. That Hinn is somehow being deceitful. Mr Winger states that the nice lady may have needed to touch or be touched like the lady who touched Jesus' garment. Matthew 9.20-22. However, Benny Hinn as a vessel of God is again kindly instructing all that man isn't the healer but that the Lord is. A touch my give people the impression that Hinn is doing the healing. ( I know of some ministries that had to stop touch others for this very reason) Mr. Winger was trying to use this as proof of fake healing???? Which to me begs the question. What are Mr Winger credentials? Under whose Ministry does he reside? Why as of two years ago was, he looking for a new church home?
I cannot hear Mr Winger without thinking of the most lame soft rock band of the 80s.
While their are many valid things to criticize Hinn on, the way Winger goes about it is ...for lack of a better term, messy. I believe winger truly does feel some form of conviction about Hinns's ministry, but i think the conviction is a product of a lack of knowledge and maybe even bias. Of course i can't prove this, but i do think it is at the very least a possibility. Hopefully videos like this will be Edifying for him.
You made good points in this video. I am not a Charismatic but Mike should not as a Christian belittle people and make assumptions.
Mike didn't make assumptions. He has video proof. You should check out his videos on this
Christ threw tables. I think getting upset at people using God to make money is justified.
@@landonramsey462 The only thing he has proved are his own biases.
@@mombythesea2426 Everybody is supposed to Tithe 10% of your income to God. It is a person's own decision as to which ministry they want to give their 10%.
@@sallybyrd3712 Please show me where the Bible says we are supposed to give 10% of our cash to a pastor.
In scripture, we see people giving tangible goods to support priests, and giving to the poor and needy. Nobody is giving money in order to get stuff, or to make a pastor rich.
Astounding opinions from Mike but clearly has an attitude
Presupposed attitudes, reading meaning and intent that one cannot know into ministries we don't like is becoming more common
Mike seems to be getting roped in to doing it
Unfortunately that is not the Spirit of Christ or anything like how Paul exhorts us to behave
Great thinking Batman-SJ
To your point, Mike has never been a darling of the Reformed crowd because he is a continuationist and is/was Calvary Chapel. But the moment he does the four hour "Benny Hinn baaaaad" video, he gets what we call in the conservative political circles "strange new respect." That is when your political opposition suddenly accepts you (usually until you do something else they don't like) and parades you around as the "good conservative" when you attack a common enemy. Why do you think that suddenly Mike Winger and Costi Hinn are invited to appear together on the "Cultish" podcast that comes out of Apologia studios. Costi Hinn, sure...he's part of the guild and continues to tell us that his uncle is a fraud...they love that. But they have never had any use for Mike Winger...until now. Strange new respect...
Thumbs down for anyone that even remotely insinuates that repentance is not needed in Benny case. That's what this feels like. If the reply is, "show me what I said that is false", situations can be insinuated without direct words. This is an attempt at deception, whether it is intentional or not.
I’m only responsible for what I said. Not how you take it.
But thanks for the comments!
@@theobjectivebeliever You imply what you imply, and implications come with their own problems
If Winger's piece was so very inaccurate it ought to be very easy for Hinn to refute it. To date as far as I can see nothing of the sort has been forthcoming. On the contrary, according to Winger Hinn has been taking down some of the footage.
"On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.’ "
This ought to be warrning enough not to be taken in by everything purporting to be supernatural or a manifestation of the gifts of the Spirit. Far too many Christians are, blinded by the word _anointing_ . I would not invoke other false teachers such as William Branham to support Hinn's ministry, nor word of faith devotees.
The alternative to this is not John MacArthur and no spiritual gifts but their right use in the local church to build up the body, not massive meetings with a contrived atmosphere and celebrity healer doing weird things. And yes I have been to a few in my time wanting to believe this stuff was genuine.
I gave up on Hinn with the 9 persons of the trinity nonsense, as well as getting disillusioned with being 'slain in the Spirit' which is not in the bible, and mostly if not always the result of being pushed or feeling you need to go over to look 'spiritual'.
Whether Winger’s video is accurate or not--I leave up to the viewer to decide. However, there’s no doubt a large amount of his claims remain unverified.
@@theobjectivebeliever I think the problem with your line of reasoning is you have forgotten this is primarily about Hinn's victims.
Hinn himself is blatantly a false teacher. Putting a curse on anyone who opposes his ministry is on its own enough, let alone the masses of footage Winger has made available so you can see for yourself.
I don't think the presumption of innocence applies when you are dealing with false teachers displaying the characteristics described in 2 Peter and Jude.
@@kenbeach5021 In order to invoke the "it's about the victims" narrative, you have to first of all establish that they are victims. Winger hasn't done that. What if I accused you of killing somebody who went missing, and then they turn up alive and unharmed? Would I be vindicated by saying that I was just standing up for the victim?
@@JewandGreek yeah, the "it's for the victims" line rang hollow to me from the get. It's like whenever a politician wants to do something wasteful with our money they yell "it's for the kids!" That's supposed to be a shut down line, because who wants to be "against victims?"
@@ericedwards5034 Winger has spent time in ministry helping victims of abuse, so he well knows what it looks like and the devastating effect it can have.
I'm afraid that is more important to me than trying to defend a man who waves his jacket over people and they all fall over under his 'anointing', a phenomenon not known in the pages of the NT.
Read 2 Peter 2:1-5, 13 Mike is on point!
I personally know someone that's been healed from Benny Hinn laying hands on him and it was affirmed by a doctor the very next day. I've had my suspicions about it but this probably affirms it even more. I think Mike is a soft cessationist. That is problematic for him unfortunately. He never does any positive videos around the charismatic world and movement. He basically criticizes from a place of ignorance.
Healed from God not Hinn, this is the problem.
@@crazyman4985 I've never heard Benny Hinn claim to heal anyone, nor did I say that Benny was the healer. God uses believers as instruments to minister healing just as he uses us as instruments to preach the gospel and minister salvation to others as well.
So what? Satan can heal too.
@SheilaODrane satan doesn't call people to repent and believe in Jesus Christ exclusively for salvation in so doing. I have heard Benny preach this on multiple occasions. If your in hyper critic mode I'm sure you'll overlook that, but it's still the truth.
@@SheilaODrane No, Satan cannot heal.
Man, I gotta some some comments cuz I couldn’t do a 3hr video by Winger 😂 no offense, I appreciate some of what he does but I gotta take him in small bites if at all
How is this possible? Im not very far into this, and havnt seen the other parts, how deceived are you? Defending Benny and bethel? You think Mike todd and Jesse duplantis are good christians too Id bet. And Robin bullock is a true prophet right?
If I said something untrue in this video, part 1, or part 2-please provide that quote. I’d be happy to take a look and issue a clarification or correction.
Thanks for the comments.
You make a lot of assumptions, just like Winger.
Saying that using 30 year old material is proof of bias, or a vendetta is a ridiculous claim. And a claim you did not back up. In fact you didn't back up anything you claimed. This was an incredible collection of "what about-isms" and logical fallacies. I'm not even defending Winger, because there was nothing in this video that lead me to any conclusion about his work one way or another. Holy smokes man, logic and objectivity would have told you not to release this video. You obviously have neither at your disposal.
If I said something untrue in this video, part 1, or part 2-please provide that quote. I’d be happy to take a look and issue a clarification or correction.
Thanks for the comments.
Winger used a clip of Benny Hinn from around 1990 where he taught an aberrant view of the godhead, a view he quickly retracted and hasn't taught since. Winger was using Justin Peters' video where JP quoted Benny in a 1993 interview with Charisma Magazine where he discussed the erroneous view that he taught. The issue isn't whether or not Benny retracted that error, but whether or not he was joking when he taught it. Both Winger and JP will acknowledge that Benny hasn't taught that for over 30 years.
Imagine this! No Healing Since Jesus has Ever been Done Without Him. But, He uses His People to Do Healings. That’s what the Church recognized after His Ascension. All Those Who have Been Healed Recognized That The Disciple ( meaning us ) Had Jesus Within Them and Jesus Used the Disciple. They Knew Jesus Would Heal Spiritually, The Soul, and Body. Because They Believed Jesus was in the Disciples They Were Healed.
Today we have the church looking for false prophets and preachers and people who God uses to Heal People!
So you are a cessationist but some people are continuationist.
No, I Am Absolutely a Continuationist. We are to live like Jesus. Since the time of Jesus He gave us His Authority to do His Work that We are coworkers with him. From the start of Jesus Ministry He gave us His Authority to do the Acts of Healing Etc.. He actually said, Preach the Kingdom and Heal. He started with the 12 then 72 the unknown man we don’t know who he was that Peter and John rebuked and Jesus asked why? All the disciples who were preaching that we don’t know of doing as Christ did and told us to do.
I only hope and pray that one day Mike Winger will become half as objective about healing evangelist as the objective believer is on this channel is!!!
Ok, let’s do this. You made a lot of claims but had no real evidence to support them. Your whole video is showing Mike give an argument, and then saying it’s wrong. But where is your evidence? I listed 15 things, and since you claim to be an objective Christian who likes to analyze arguments, I want your actual feedback on these issues.
1. 30 years back for evidence. How far back is acceptable? At what point is information irrelevant?
2. You insinuated that Mike does this for money, when many videos like these of his get demonetized. He also releases 4+ hour videos all the time, which is not at all best practice. He’s spending hundreds of hours researching to give people hours of video content. If he was in it for the money, he would be telling people to tithe so they could receive their healing…
3. You said he’s making money attacking charismatics, but he IS a charismatic.
4. You said he’s trying to repeat a lie so frequently that it becomes the truth for believers. He’s a small ministry on TH-cam. Benny is one of the wealthiest and influential Christian celebrities in the world. I don’t think that strategy is effective here, considering Benny has a much larger platform.
5. Bethel absolutely encourages fake healings. I worked near that church and I worked with many kids who went there. They talked about this and how healings worked because they went to the bethel school of ministry. Plus, a few years earlier, Mike did a video on bethel and wasn’t ready to say they were false yet. He later came back and said they were, but he gave them a fair chance and did more research.
6. Your stories about knowing people who supposedly were healed does not negate Mike’s point. Deuteronomy 13 says false teachers will come and perform real signs and wonders, but it is a test for believers and a judgment on those who follow the false teacher anyway. A few true healings in a false ministry is a test to encourage discernment, not proof of a person’s legitimacy.
7. You quoted someone who said an experience does not bow to an argument when it comes to God. That’s biblically false. We should trust the truth of scripture, and recognize that our experiences are subjective and not authoritative.
8. It’s not always Gods will to heal. Sometimes it’s His will to flood the earth or rain down fire from heaven as a judgment. Sometimes it’s His will to bring calamity to encourage a testimony of faithfulness. Christ even tells the people of His hometown that God fed one woman during a famine, and healed one man of leprosy during an outbreak. So, it’s not always His will to heal. And we don’t get to change that with declarations.
9. You misuse the “believe and you will receive” verse. This is in the context of God’s will. Not just believing something you want.
10. Declaring a healing “in Jesus name” absolutely IS making a claim that God declares a healing. This is addressed in Jeremiah 23 when the false prophets are going around claiming God said something when He didn’t. The entire belief of Word of Faith is that this is the will of God and you are declaring and agreeing with God’s will. So, to claim something in God’s name and it not come true would be evidence of a false prophecy. Remember, a prophecy isn’t just a saying about the future, it’s also teachings and words from God.
11. The verses about us being healed is about our supernatural healing from the power of death. It doesn’t mean we will always have a miraculous healing of a broken leg or stomach flu.
12. You’re using William branham as an example of a true faith healer. That’s crazy. He’s a demonstrably false teacher and cult leader.
13. Benny doesn’t allow anyone on stage who is obviously ill or injured because he can’t heal them, and that would be obvious. Only allowing “healed” people on stage means he is never exposed as a fraud. Christ healed people in front of crowds to prove there was no doubt of His power and authority. Benny doesn’t have that power and authority or else he would definitely use it to make more money.
14. Mike's assumptions about the woman with pancreatic cancer line up with the video and with previous evidence of how Benny manipulates the on stage performance. The woman said she wasn’t healed when she went up there, and Benny cut her off by pushing her down. Of course Mike is mad. Rightfully so. Benny just hurt a woman in the name of God as a performance that will make him money. Not only leaving a hurting woman hopeless, but deceiving millions and making millions in the process.
15. Mike’s speculation about the guy speaking in tongues lines up with the evidence he has presented so far. Also, before he presents his opinion, he says it’s only his opinion and he would like to hear the thoughts of others. This is an educated opinion; he did not present it as a fact.
If I said something untrue in this video, part 1, or part 2-please provide that quote. I’d be happy to take a look and issue a clarification or correction.
Thanks for the comments.
@@theobjectivebeliever I’m speaking on part 3. Are you not willing to defend these points?
@@mombythesea2426 right. That’s what I said. This video, part 1, or 2: if I said something untrue, please provide the quote. I’ll take a look.
@@theobjectivebeliever So you won’t address my list at all.
@@theobjectivebeliever Because I already listed my points I want you to address.
Mike winger is one of the most disgusting “ apologists “ on TH-cam. He attacks groups of people, lies about their beliefs, gets called out and ignores all calls for dialogue debate or correction and keeps on going.
Or he doubles down.
Benny Hinn might be bad, doesn’t make winger good.
Winger calling out Benny hinn is like someone calling out crap for being smelly. Everyone is aware
😂😂😂Mike! I don't know to laugh or cry, but I noticed he getting more and more radical. That's not good, it's looks to me he is getting "drunk" on his criticism success.
Hmmm... I have appreciated Mike Winger's ministry, teaching and perspective on many occasions and topics. I refused to watch this particular critique not because I am a fan of Hinn but 4 hours?!?! Sounds excessive. That being said... I had always thought that Mike's firmer stance on Bethel, Hinn and other similar ministries was like a preemptive defense of the charismatic. Watching your cuts of Mike's critique, it seems like this pancreatic cancer patient hit too close to home with Winger's mother. Anyway... your evaluation of the assumptions in play is a great reminder for all camps. Grace and peace.
lol I feel like if you are not going to watch a video of his because it’s 4 hours, then you probably don’t watch many videos of his at all.
@mombythesea2426 @mombythesea2426 I have watched many of Winger's videos... certainly far more than I have ever seen of Hinn. Two hours is sufficient on most matters... if the subject requires deeper analysis, make a series. What I don't appreciate in many cases is the analysis of a short clip of XYZ preacher with absolutely no link to the full clip to make sure the context supports the commentary.
Unfortunately, Winger and others like him (Ruslan, Allen Parr, Brylan Riggs, Todd Friel, etc.) often will make comments on a 47 sec clip with no context, no link to the full sermon, and no spirit of charity towards what may very well be a brother/sister in the faith despite the discrepancies. That being said, Winger normally gives a fair bit of latitude but in this case, he appears to have a bee in his bonnet. It MAY be justified but I much prefer when Winger digs into scripture about certain matters rather than this type of "exposé" of some possible false prophet.
God bless you🙏 I actually feel pity for Mike Winger, I wonder what has driven him to such ungodly lengths
What about benny hinn?
What ungodly lengths? Benny Hinn sues Christians who don't like him. He has given many false prophecies, and if you actually read your Bible, you'd know that ONE just one wrong prophecy was a death sentence according to the Law of Moses. He's cheated people out of their money and continues to do so. Mike Winger doesn't even allow people to send him money on TH-cam or any other platform he has. He actually breaks down God's word and gives valid reasons for why he feels he's right and has zero problems admitting to getting something wrong. Just because someone says they're a Christian, doesn't mean they are. Mike has fruit and I've yet to see any from Benny
Another great and reasoned response.
Has Mike Winger ever prayed for the sick
Is their any testimony ?
Funny you mention that. The thought occurred to me that many of these critics seem to know exactly how a healing ministry should be run. I would love to see them do it and get AT LEAST the same results as a guy like Benny.
They wouldn’t do that. Because they know the results would be exactly like Benny’s. Zero.
@@butterfingerbbs we explore the healings in part 1. There are even people who don’t like Benny Hinn that admit to being healed through his ministry.
I don’t think there’s any reasonable doubt anymore in that regard other than for the hardline skeptic.
This is irrelevant to doing an appaisal of Benny Hinn. You test his 'ministry' by the criteria laid out in 2 Peter and Jude, and you don't have to have prayed for the sick to be able to do that.
@@kenbeach5021 we’ll be exploring biblical criteria for ministry in the next video. But here’s a preview: nobody meets it.
I watched the majority of this video and I find it odd that your title is the objective believer. So I guess I am going to put that to the test. Obviously you don't know me from Adam, so I need to give you some of my background. I grew up in a pentacostal church, one that placed significant focus on the spiritual gifts. I accepted Christ at an early age (11), but I would argue now that was more due to peer pressure than anything else. I was cognizant of a need to be saved though. As I got older, through my involvement in youth groups, I went to a meeting where we had a "slaying in the spirit" training. This very much bugged me in the fact that it seemed very dishonest. It actually led me to question the faith and many of those who were leading us. Don't get me wrong, I did have some very good leaders who set a foundation. But it was one of the factors that led to me walking away from the faith before and while I went to university my first couple years. Thankfully, God was able to reach me there even in a very ungodly atmosphere. I won't go into my full story, but suffice it to say I have learned much about and from God even to the point of getting a Masters. I believe whole heartedly in the gifts of the spirit. But even in my own gift with tongues I have questioned it because of how it came about. However, my reading of 1 Corinthians (for which was a major focus of my studies) and specifically chapters 12-14 taught me a important thing. That edification, exhortation, and consolation are of primary importance when it comes to the spiritual gifts. However, those are are secondary to the preeminence of love. If we love someone, our primary desire is to not even see someone healed. In fact, it might even be better for someone not to be healed if it moves them to the place in relationship with God that is needed. Those might seem like harsh words, but they are not. Our primary desire as Christians is that someone comes to salvific trust in so that they eternal relationship with God. If you disagree with this, then there is no more need for discussion. Whether someone gets healed on this earth or not is of secondary importance to that leading that person or others to Christ. I have a problem with any ministry where that is not the focus. I don't see how Benny Hinn's or any other spiritual gift focused ministry is. Christ Himself gives us the whole purpose for miracles and healing in Matthew 9:6 - “But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”-then He *said to the paralytic, “Get up, pick up your bed and go home.” When we place the focus on all these gifts, we give place to error because it is stealing the focus from God and His desire and will for us. Faith in God should not be dependent upon healing ( I don't believe you are making the opposite argument just to be clear). But healing "can" be evidence in our faith in God and Christ (the woman with the issue of blood). I can't tell you how badly I wanted to see someone that is close to me healed, but it has not happened and that is up to God and His plans and purposes. I don't question their faith in God though. I do believe that there have been those who have been healed through these ministries. That doesn't mean that it was because of those ministries, but very well could be in spite of them. God does some wonderful things out of evil plans and intentions (Joseph). A final point. You talked about bias in your video. Mike certainly has it and I certainly have it. But so do you and it can be seen through your handling of this. I don't believe you truly are being 100% objective here. My bias comes from personal experiences as well as I assume yours are. Those biases are not always a bad thing but it is good to recognize them and challenge them. Is this challenging yours? I feel a need to sum this up - my main point is simply that based on the passages I gave from scripture - our focus in our interactions should never be on healing or any of the spiritual gifts. Yes we should pray and ask for healing, but more so that if it comes it would be to the glory of God and facilitate eternal relationships with Him.
We talk about what is meant by OBJECTIVE in our Starter Pack, pinned in the comments.
@theobjectivebeliever Great, so no challenge to the rest of what I said?
@@truthseeker9481 How does one exegete another person's experiences and opinions?
@@JewandGreek It is very hard to do that. However, there are two points to make here. In the response video, "objective" believer himself makes an appeal to his experiences. To me that makes it fair game. I am not going to try and exegete his experience or call it into question. There are many true healing experiences and I amazed at how God works sometimes. Secondly, there is other information in my post that could be exegeted. Everything I said is not simply based on opinion. It is interesting though in this response video that the poster used the word "assumption" in multiple locations. I could then go through this video and do the same thing. There are certain assumptions that the "objective" believer makes in this video himself. Don't get me wrong, Mike is not without fault, but no man is including "objective" believer. I agree that we need to be careful to not just follow along blindly and should test the things said by anyone. If "objective" believer is truly objective, he then challenges his own beliefs and tests them by the full authority of scripture. I have changed my "opinion" (I would say belief or perspective) on many things. That is why I am willing to engage in a discussion. I have someone from work that I have a lot of faith discussions with that is very interested in similar ministries. Many of the people that he talks about are focused in a specific area of ministry and he often is very hyped up. It is exciting to see God move. But we need to be trained for the peaks and the valleys. I have listened to some of the people he talks about and for the most part what they say lines up with scripture. But there are issues as well. My moniker is that because I won't put God into a box and Christ is the way, the truth, and the life. However, I am hyper-focused on giving the glory to the Lord and I am very skeptical when there are hints of dishonesty. When we leave no room for people who are not healed in the here and now and place that solely at their feet when they are asking and believing we are not giving God his rightful place to tell us no or not yet. To address a specific topic in the video the usage of Isaiah 53 also can have a now-not yet perspective and that is not the handling I am seeing by the poster. As Christians we are part of an eternal kingdom and need to live with that eternal perspective always in the back of our minds. By Christs scourging, we all are healed. That means now and/or in the future. We can live with the expectation that if not now, we will have bodies that free from pain and suffering. I understand Mike's perspective here on healing ministries. It "feels" like someone is taking advantage of the suffering of individuals and when someone maybe isn't healed in that environment the handling of it is "very often" (did not say always) questionable. Christ was not very kind to the moneychangers .... there is something to be said for righteous anger. However, getting back to my main point, how do these ministries support those who have not been healed? How are they encouraged and edified and grown spiritually which is more important than the healing itself?
BTW - love the name. Harkens to one of my favorite writings of Paul. I Cor 9:19-23. I assume that was the inspiration?
Mike Winger reminds me of Ned Flanders. A weak feminine man of GOD. Not a bold lion.
Hired by lying Benny for damage control?
Bovine scatology
Imagine simping for Benny Hinn. Couldn’t be me lol.
Unsubstantiated? For real. Hahahahahahaja
how does it feel to be so pragmatic yet so wrong? asking for a friend
What a joke.
This is a pretty bad video. Sorry dude
No need to apologize, my friend. What would be helpful, however, is if you could provide a quote of anything I said that was untrue. I’d be glad to take a look and issue a correction or clarification.
Thanks.
@@theobjectivebeliever Yeah yeah yeah. I've seen your copy and pasted response. You know what you're doing is dishonest. Let's just agree that we don't have the same convictions in keeping the honor of the Lord and His church.
The ‘objective’ believer sure is using a lot of anecdotal evidence…
2:48 mike is a charismatic.
So he claims, although he defines tongues as languages, so he's certainly not a conventional charismatic in that regard. More of a continuationist than a charismatic.
Come on bro, yeah, winger is annoying , but giving love and credence to benny... you are suspet, lame and dangerous.
Fail