The Moeller Technique is well worth the exploration & study it takes to execute & master. When learning the Moeller Double Stroke it's very important to stay at a slow tempo for a long time, making sure you over exagerate the secondary accent. As the tempo increases to a certain level you will feel the accent wanting to fade, allow this to happen & before you know it, your rolls will be supercharged with an increase in acceleration you have never known. It works beleive me, you won't regret it.
This man is so humbling and inspiring... as a jazz student, one of the best pieces of advice ive ever gotten was to never asume youve got something "mastered" in other words, dont forget about Jim Chapin!
Met Jim at several NAMM shows and he we would walk around with his sticks and practice pad proceeding to blow my mind with his right hand-left hand independence (e.g., playing triplets with one hand while playing doubles with the other hand. Thanks Sir Jim Chapin. Also, he is the Father of Harry Chapin who wrote Cats and The Cradle as well as other hits.
I had the oppurtunity to take a few lessons with him as a kid. Super cool guy, and layed down the technique AND history to me. Money WELL spent. RIP Jim...
True it's not utilizing the rebound but it's great to develop a clean open roll which not only sounds different to a bounced roll, but can also be used on surfaces that dont have as much rebound as a snare
I love how high and close to the tips of his fingers the stick in the left hand is......must have given him great power into the secondary....gotta try that
Oh man!!!!!!! I didn't know he passed. He is total old school and I just watched his DVD last night. There are so many great quotes and he is very wise! "You must look at them in disbelief"...."Pretend you have some heavy crank case oil on your finger tips" lol Man was a true shredder!!!
@AceDrumm3r You practise accenting the second stroke to even the roll out. As you speed it up the accent becomes less defined. It also stops you from digging the stick into the head.
I've seen many drummers do it following the "and here's another way to do it" at 1:44, which as explained in other vids *does not* require any change in your technique, no matter if you're playing singles, doubles or paradiddles.
haha! I hear ya man. My own double stroke rolls used to disgust me too! I finally incorporated the technique Jim is describing here.... made a world of a difference.
he actually died very recently and it was a hit to the drumming world. awesome drummer, was an ambassador for the moeller technique and was the last surviving student of moeller himself.
It really seems funny to me how he is coming from the crushed rolls (and I assume buzz as well) and the double stroke is what seem likes the more advanced rudiment, when I come from a Drum Corp back round, so applying double strokes to my set or concert is easy, but I really have to apply my self to get smooth buzz or crush rolls. Just goes to show the diversity of drumming and percussion.
Had lessons with him he was like a thunderous press roll from art Blakey no caffeine ENEREGY every lesson 1 or 109 students amazing ENEREGY love and Master for educating
Call it whatever name you will but this technique is still relevant as was everything these cats did. Brain mantia had a section on this on his dvd...abd he's a total different style of drummer. Billy rhymer from Dillinger was doing this at a clinic. Gotta keep Learning.
I don't yet have a clean double-stroke roll but I'm almost there and from my experience, having tried possibly a dozen of different techniques, including ones I thought I invented :) all I can say is that at a fast tempo, most drummers use all vehicles possible - rebound (mostly) fingers, wrists, and even forearms. It just comes with practice, not by watching TH-cam vids, unfortunately ;)
@camoacu True. I had a teacher that told me practicing this type of stuff the "wrong way", can actually reduce your precision and time. He'd make me stop practicing something, as soon as he saw I had gotten it. I thought that was weird, but he'd just say "once your extremities know how to do it correctly, what's the point in you questioning whether they do or not?" :-)
Shame the video and audio are so badly out of sync. I think this might have been a youtube problem back in the early days when this was uploaded. Are there any better uploads available?
I agree with what he is saying here BUT, I'm one of those drummers who plays into the head (like right through the fricking floor) on my snare drum and it works for me. I play mostly single stroke rolls though. So what I'm saying is this isn't the only way to approach rolls. Check out my solos on here (my tributes to Buddy Rich).
@doublebassdrummer1 - You can learn something from just about any drummer, even if it's how not to do a particular thing. Travis Barker contributes to this learning process too. Chapin, however, is a real master of technique and what he has to share can benefit every drummer in some way. I don't think it's fair to compare the two; they are very different. Take something from each drummer you encounter and make it your own. No matter what, tho', you have to put in the time to be good.
I think this guys is kind of famous but does anyone know if he is taking on students or doing clinics. I've seen his other videos and he's one of the best guys out there.
This seems to be contradictory to the "let the head and/or sticks do the work" mantra of always utilizing rebound. He's following-through on strokes to make the second note louder...which takes more effort.
Dude, travis is good, he has great power/control. He re-did soldier boy and it sounds tits. Check out his snare drum solo in the studio....good power and definitely using Moeller method.
I was sitting at a drumming show in the mid 1990's while waiting for the show to begin. I began to feel irritated by an old man that was just whacking away speedy chops,...after a minute I turned to watch the man pound away, "and I mean pound with conviction"...I turned away again to feel a touch on my shoulder the man " JimChapin" replied ,"where's your sticks??? At the time I didn't know this man,...but I never will forget his sincere dedication and face when he asked that question. Yes, he always carried sticks with him, I'm told...this happened in a music store in Tampa that has long since closed,Thoroghbred music store,...now fifteen years or more later I still need to learn that simple task,...keep sticks in your pocket !
@@bubbles6883 haha my grammar? Well that's another story. You see while attending Penn State Wilkes-Barre campus I was pulled aside and told I was to flunk English 1 unless I aced two compositions. My mother taught me grammar over one weekend and I aced both compositions that were graded by the rest of the faculty not my teacher. Upon returning I was met with my new Composition teacher it was my grammar teacher ! She said we'll see just how good you are !! She gave me all good grades from then on....
I've spent last 8 years trying to play clean rolls accentuating the second hit and I still can't make it the way Jim does it. Music is so weird, it seems like the more you practice, the more you find those little details that you have to pulish in order to become a true profesional. And it's only drummers like Jim that can help you through all that stuff! R.I.P Jim
I've tried doing this and I always feel the need to make the first hit an accent and not the second hit like he's explaining. And even if I do get it down, how is he able to pull away so fast on the upstroke when he gets up to tempo like 1:30
@doublebassdrummer1 It's strange how everybody is talking about Travis all of the time isn't it? Every type of video to do with music; his name crops up.
The Moeller Technique is well worth the exploration & study it takes to execute & master. When learning the Moeller Double Stroke it's very important to stay at a slow tempo for a long time, making sure you over exagerate the secondary accent. As the tempo increases to a certain level you will feel the accent wanting to fade, allow this to happen & before you know it, your rolls will be supercharged with an increase in acceleration you have never known. It works beleive me, you won't regret it.
So authoritative, so much control.
Great example for perfect technical exercise to 💯💯💯💥💥💥🔥🔥
Big up Jim🙏🏿💪🏿🤝🏿❤
Beautiful. Precise.
Thank you Jim for leaving a legendary drum hand technique video. You are missed.
Jim Chapin = one of the best ever
Drum monster for all time!!!!!!
This man is so humbling and inspiring... as a jazz student, one of the best pieces of advice ive ever gotten was to never asume youve got something "mastered"
in other words, dont forget about Jim Chapin!
Real teacher! I wish more people like this would teach drums :)
Agreed 10000000%%%%
Jim Chapin is just the most amazing player and teacher. You have to love him
Jim Chapin was a ROLLS Royce and more . I had the pleasure of working with him in the studio in 1975.
Holy smoke, when he went from the shuffle to the double stroke. Mind blown :) Awesome!!
A great technician and teacher.
I love this guy. Such an awesome teacher. Respect.
Met Jim at several NAMM shows and he we would walk around with his sticks and practice pad proceeding to blow my mind with his right hand-left hand independence (e.g., playing triplets with one hand while playing doubles with the other hand. Thanks Sir Jim Chapin. Also, he is the Father of Harry Chapin who wrote Cats and The Cradle as well as other hits.
Jim's approach changed my life.
Legendary drummer. I love the sound and the feel of double stroke rolls.
heard alot of amazing drummers but never heard someone teach as good as this guy
I had the oppurtunity to take a few lessons with him as a kid. Super cool guy, and layed down the technique AND history to me. Money WELL spent. RIP Jim...
@@vergon6662 that's wild dude must have been a goat
I love the man ! so great musicianship and a HELL of a teacher !!!!!!
True it's not utilizing the rebound but it's great to develop a clean open roll which not only sounds different to a bounced roll, but can also be used on surfaces that dont have as much rebound as a snare
Such amazing player excellent teacher
Amazing chops.
unbelievable chops
He's a character. A very animated person and a terrific teacher.
I love how high and close to the tips of his fingers the stick in the left hand is......must have given him great power into the secondary....gotta try that
thank you for the post, jim's the best!
i wish i had this guy as my drum teacher that would be awesome man
that man's skill is quite terrifying
Oh man!!!!!!! I didn't know he passed. He is total old school and I just watched his DVD last night.
There are so many great quotes and he is very wise! "You must look at them in disbelief"...."Pretend you have some heavy crank case oil on your finger tips" lol
Man was a true shredder!!!
respect !! very clean and of course tecnique!
Love it, thanks Jim.
gracias maestro ...
EM Leiva 9
@AceDrumm3r You practise accenting the second stroke to even the roll out. As you speed it up the accent becomes less defined. It also stops you from digging the stick into the head.
Great Double Strokes!
You are so good and fun!
I've never seen someone on video demonstrate an amazing clean double-stroke roll. I've only seen them done in person by a few people.
I've seen many drummers do it following the "and here's another way to do it" at 1:44, which as explained in other vids *does not* require any change in your technique, no matter if you're playing singles, doubles or paradiddles.
haha! I hear ya man. My own double stroke rolls used to disgust me too! I finally incorporated the technique Jim is describing here.... made a world of a difference.
One of the the best of all Times
he actually died very recently and it was a hit to the drumming world. awesome drummer, was an ambassador for the moeller technique and was the last surviving student of moeller himself.
Thanks for the advice.
If I could do this when I reached his age I would die happy.
Met him @ the Naam expo in 95 ,he was very friendly to everyone
That left has is phenomenal!!!
the guru of drums!
It really seems funny to me how he is coming from the crushed rolls (and I assume buzz as well) and the double stroke is what seem likes the more advanced rudiment, when I come from a Drum Corp back round, so applying double strokes to my set or concert is easy, but I really have to apply my self to get smooth buzz or crush rolls.
Just goes to show the diversity of drumming and percussion.
Legend says that the drum still hot like a pan until now
OW!!! Jim Chapin - ledgend.
I would die to take lessons with this man
Excelente, perfeito fantástica técnica😃😃👏👏👏👏👏
Had lessons with him he was like a thunderous press roll from art Blakey no caffeine ENEREGY every lesson 1 or 109 students amazing ENEREGY love and Master for educating
jim chapin was a badass!!
Call it whatever name you will but this technique is still relevant as was everything these cats did. Brain mantia had a section on this on his dvd...abd he's a total different style of drummer. Billy rhymer from Dillinger was doing this at a clinic. Gotta keep Learning.
He makes it look so easy, but it's not! RESPECT!!
Thank now I understand the difference between a roll and a buzz
Thank you.
I'm learning how to do this. It's just a matter of ingraining it into your muscle memory.
Thanks id never have figured this out on my own
I don't yet have a clean double-stroke roll but I'm almost there and from my experience, having tried possibly a dozen of different techniques, including ones I thought I invented :) all I can say is that at a fast tempo, most drummers use all vehicles possible - rebound (mostly) fingers, wrists, and even forearms. It just comes with practice, not by watching TH-cam vids, unfortunately ;)
really great
@camoacu True. I had a teacher that told me practicing this type of stuff the "wrong way", can actually reduce your precision and time. He'd make me stop practicing something, as soon as he saw I had gotten it. I thought that was weird, but he'd just say "once your extremities know how to do it correctly, what's the point in you questioning whether they do or not?" :-)
Shame the video and audio are so badly out of sync. I think this might have been a youtube problem back in the early days when this was uploaded. Are there any better uploads available?
Weird that it's out of sync, I remember watching this exact video years ago (probably around 2010?) And it definitely wasn't out of sync then.
thats the first book my drum teacher introduced im still doing it
that is the drum bible! stick control for the snare drummer! :D
I'm glad i can do it this fast now lol
RIP Jim...
this fools amazing
I think the dvd's name is jim chapins
"speed indurance and power" warner brothers books. hope that helps
I suppose that's a good point. I'm recovering from chronic tendonitis so I guess I've gotten a little fanatical about rebound in the last year or so.
@sikory Ah, so this is the idea. Thanks for quick and accurate response!
I agree with what he is saying here BUT, I'm one of those drummers who plays into the head (like right through the fricking floor) on my snare drum and it works for me. I play mostly single stroke rolls though. So what I'm saying is this isn't the only way to approach rolls. Check out my solos on here (my tributes to Buddy Rich).
@doublebassdrummer1 - You can learn something from just about any drummer, even if it's how not to do a particular thing. Travis Barker contributes to this learning process too. Chapin, however, is a real master of technique and what he has to share can benefit every drummer in some way. I don't think it's fair to compare the two; they are very different. Take something from each drummer you encounter and make it your own. No matter what, tho', you have to put in the time to be good.
I think this guys is kind of famous but does anyone know if he is taking on students or doing clinics. I've seen his other videos and he's one of the best guys out there.
MAESTRO!!
i would love to do the double rolls with the jazz/american style! but damn!! its hard!
This seems to be contradictory to the "let the head and/or sticks do the work" mantra of always utilizing rebound. He's following-through on strokes to make the second note louder...which takes more effort.
Most important tec to learn. (If ya want yours roll sounds good)
GREAT
great
Dude, travis is good, he has great power/control. He re-did soldier boy and it sounds tits. Check out his snare drum solo in the studio....good power and definitely using Moeller method.
I was sitting at a drumming show in the mid 1990's while waiting for the show to begin. I began to feel irritated by an old man that was just whacking away speedy chops,...after a minute I turned to watch the man pound away, "and I mean pound with conviction"...I turned away again to feel a touch on my shoulder the man " JimChapin" replied ,"where's your sticks??? At the time I didn't know this man,...but I never will forget his sincere dedication and face when he asked that question. Yes, he always carried sticks with him, I'm told...this happened in a music store in Tampa that has long since closed,Thoroghbred music store,...now fifteen years or more later I still need to learn that simple task,...keep sticks in your pocket !
Yep, I think that's an awesome story
Your grammar is something else
Wow great story!
@@bubbles6883 haha my grammar? Well that's another story. You see while attending Penn State Wilkes-Barre campus I was pulled aside and told I was to flunk English 1 unless I aced two compositions. My mother taught me grammar over one weekend and I aced both compositions that were graded by the rest of the faculty not my teacher. Upon returning I was met with my new Composition teacher it was my grammar teacher ! She said we'll see just how good you are !! She gave me all good grades from then on....
I've spent last 8 years trying to play clean rolls accentuating the second hit and I still can't make it the way Jim does it. Music is so weird, it seems like the more you practice, the more you find those little details that you have to pulish in order to become a true profesional. And it's only drummers like Jim that can help you through all that stuff! R.I.P Jim
master
haha I love Jim Chapin. He's so goofy.
Holy fuck what a boss.
he died on 4 july 2009 RIP
I learned the other way and this is my problem my drum teacher just had me start this
Why does everybody mention Travis Barker under Mr. Chapin's videos? Is he somewoh connected with him? Or just the only popular drummer in America?
reading the comments so far your the one person who's mentioned him!
it is like i am sitting next to him, and i watch how he is practicing
This is best way to do double stroke roll. Don't like use rebound. It doesn't sound clean. Thanks !
The audio is about 2 seconds behind the visuals
wow!
One question to all you guys. Why these are called "open rolls"? What distinguishes them from other rolls?
I've tried doing this and I always feel the need to make the first hit an accent and not the second hit like he's explaining. And even if I do get it down, how is he able to pull away so fast on the upstroke when he gets up to tempo like 1:30
Do the sticks bounce when he goes really fast or are they still by the movement ?
@doublebassdrummer1 It's strange how everybody is talking about Travis all of the time isn't it? Every type of video to do with music; his name crops up.
A Real Living Leyend .
was he in dallas?
Have you seen his books?
Lol, very good exercise, but if the pad is hot I can play with my sticks with no pain!
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