Bro I have 34 tflops Radeon 6800xt that runs everything maxed out. Even the unreal engine retardations with nanite lods and Lumen global ilumination+virtual shadowmaps. Just get good PC. RTX 4060 ti is now 500 USD while it was 230 USD product tier 3 generation ago.
Lossless Scaling is most useful on laptops with dual-GPUs, i.e. Samsung's Expert series, which has both an integrated GPU and a dedicated GPU that only gets used for certain applications. LS lets you choose which GPU it'll use, so you can use the dedicated GPU to run the game itself, but the integrated GPU for LS.
@@DontStealMyNoEffortName For me, it works just fine, I was able to play many games at Maxed settings at 144fps with my 1440p monitor. If that's not high-end, I don't know it is then.
I subscribed bro! I have a soft spot for low end PC I understood the feeling any person would try their best to make their favourite game playable I been there doing these sort of stuff surprisingly the pixelated graphics doesn't bother me at all. Also I love the way you do stuff records gameplay at phone and immediately switching settings like I used to do when testing any increase frames method. Love the content, stay simple.
lossless scaling got updated and now u can adjust resolution used to interpolate frames to 25% of original, my pc is like a super coputer comapered to yours but i noticed that it helps a lot
Some games you've tested that has slow motion upon testing, it has to do with the game following the physics framerate and I like you did listen the advices about capping the framerate and minding the CPU and GPU usage to let LS breathe some room for it
while an actual potato is a bad idea, something like a more recent device or a steam deck is a good candidate for anything that gets stable 30-40 normally.
@@_rainstormyyI have Radeon Vega 3 integrated graphics. Adrenaline alone makes many normally unplayable games for me "playable". This will make them ACTUALLY playable. I need to do some tinkering, but I imagine if you're smart about it you can double your framerate with little drawbacks, and if you're willing to take some big visual hits you can push it even further. Try installing Adrenaline and setting everything to performance first though. You might not even need this if your integrated graphics are better than mine.
Man I do remember doing optifine mods and so much to get every last juice of performance out of MC when I had a shitty Celeron, this brings back memories.
Lossless scaling is very good but it can't do miracles, frame Gen actually needs at minimum 20fps to interpolate properly, it can't "imagine" new frames when there are so few frames to reference, I use it in my 1060 6gb pc and it works wonder at 20 fps interpolated 3x, but it can fail at faster paced games like ZZZ, but at slower games like Snowrunner or Rdr2 it works perfectly (also lossless scaling updated the Frame gen technology and it's much better)
For GTA4, some people reported using DXVK alleviate the stuttering. As for the original purpose of the video, another issue I can see is that the juice of that GPU is already fully occupied running LSFG, no room for the game.
Yes, you're right, and it's true that DXVK can help a lot with the performance issues in GTA 4. But there's one small problem: My Celeron N2840 laptop's Intel HD Graphics don't even support Vulkan xd
BRO I watched part 1 and 2. The reason it will drop your reg fps is because lossless scaling uses the gpu to process those fake frames. Both in part 1 & 2 you had the "draw fps" option toggled off, so you couldn't even tell the generated frame rate. Always use the latest FG version; FG 1.1 uses x2, so if u want the least performance hit on gpu, just use latest FG with x2.
I have an old laptop with Radeon Vega 3 integrated graphics. This will be genuinely useful for me. Then once I get a handheld in the future I can use it to make games run, and LOOK decent.
Literally my old laptop that i used to make animations... Though MUCH WORSE. 2GB RAM (cannot be upgraded) 32GB eMMC (cannot be upgraded but there's a unpopulated SATA ports)
Despite the poor graphics, when you consider what was being used, it is still impressive. There are quite a few Cherry Trail Z8000 machines out there that perhaps might show a decent enough performance to make it just worthwhile for some titles.
Imagine being GTA V Released on Mobile like this Graphics frr but is already possible right now but i like this content that if lossless scaling saves ur FPS alot and it is indeed possible :o
I think at some point installing steamOS is a better idea. I don’t think Linux tops windows largely due to lossless but a point exists where you just need more RAM & you aren’t gonna magically overcome that with Lossless. Lossless can only achieve so much before it’s a bridge too far but I heard that steam operating system can work some magic voodoo on an older machine. I don’t even own a machine old enough or under powered enough to try.
@MultiTheGamerman just debloat Windows, it takes less than 5 minutes compared to the hours and hours you could spend trying to get anything to work on Linux (only to fail miserably)
@revival_of_the_canned_justice the most difficult thing for me in Manjaro linux was changing the clock from 24h to 12h, that took like 2 days. But everything else was pretty easy to understand. But the thing is that even with a custom version windows on my laptop still chug. The limiting factor is windows itself, switching over to linux turn Risk of rain 2 from having massive stutter and frame spike to having consistent frame rate and a flat frame time. So if you don't play games with anti cheat and are willing to learn a new operating system for a few days. It's a pretty good choice.
if youre going to use linear, integer, or nearest neighbor for the "scaling technique" you might as well not use lossless scaling at all, its probably just wasting more frames
0:27 Neat I'm in the video! In all seriousness whenever you showed the graphics settings it was always showing fullscreen so that was the reason I thought you wheren't using borderless :P Besides the weird outlier of NFS MW 2005 the results are pretty impressive considering you handicapped yourself in 3 areas at once which is very aged hardware combined with being a low end product of the time and ultra low power consumption with probably below 10 watts of package power (idk if power consumption readout of the OSD is total package power or cpu only which is the more likely scenario) which is even less than the Steam Deck's power budget. Btw did you know that the performance OSD overlay has a performance cost in itself? I tested with a power meter measuring directly from the wall and whenever I turned on the OSD via the toggle I had an increase of 10 watts in power consumption from the wall. Tested by using a very low usage program that would allow for the overlay to trigger while idling. For powerful systems the difference is probably very negligible to the point of being margin of error but for a very low power system like this you could try if fps would improve by simply disabling the overlay (verify by counting frames on video capture if you have a fast enough camera like a phone supporting slow motion capture or while using 2 programs that measure fps and disabling one at a time which would enable you to find out if you could find a more lightweight fps counter without hardware readouts. You could still show both results depending on context or if you think it's relevant). Edit: Looks like I got extra coverage at 3:28 :D Pro tip from videos creator: Squint your eyes for free anti aliasing Cheers!
@eduonkhl Cheers! Regarding the power usage, I definitely think MSI Afterburner is showing the power usage for the whole package (CPU + iGPU), as crazy as it sounds, cuz when my CPU usage is very high, but integrated GPU usage low, the power usage is at around 2 W, but when the usage of the Intel HD Graphics is also very high, the power usage is usually at 3.5 W.
@@FloatSamplesGT710 i dont have a pc but my father has a geforce 9500 gt with a intel core duo e5700 and 4gb of ddr2 ram with 18gb of space left he just does trading and stuff so he doesnt need much
keep VSync OFF if FPS is far away from Monitor Hz. You can't expect adaptive VSync from every software, if it doesn't support it, VSync ON will cause more input delay, lower FPS and sometimes even more instability.
If you set your monitor on its high resolution like 2k or 4k you will same performance but 3x improved picture quality and the settings I used in lossless scal- scaling type custom and set 3 or 4 and enable resize before and select lsfg 1.1 then check the performance and also select integers option
@@alexgravitos That quad-core i7 is pretty good tho still, even if you don't have a dedicated GPU. I have a Lenovo Legion Y520 with i7-7700HQ (and a dedicated GTX 1050 tho), and everyday tasks and video editing are extremely responsive and fast.
@@thebigboatgaming i've recently grabbed half a thinkpad with a 6th gen i5, gotta check how well ot performs in gta online. one day, once all the spare parts arrive, lol
Not bad. Not bad at all. Lossless is effectively "rich get richer" if that makes sense. This will not save your redhead laptop, but it will give gains to decent hardware.
the app is great, im using it just to insert FG into games, with reflex on and boost theres no input lag either, double framerates and keeping native 1440p.
What about games that this PC can actually run at 30/60 FPS like Classics NFS? Also, what about Outrun 2006 Coast to Coast and Slipstream (the newer one)?
Years ago after my first notebook I bought in 2012 I wasn't happy so I installed a pin-compatible i7 CPU. I was able to get a buttery smooth 15-20fps. Just get an Aya Neo or something
"Squint your eyes to apply anti-aliasing" XD
If you have glasses remove them to add better anti aliasing and increase resolution
If your Asian your good
@@VxS_VIBEZas a Asian 144p looks good😂
The fact that i have to use lossless scaling on a 2060 super is a really good example of how recent game devs are the laziest people to ever exist
Have to use it on an rx 480
Its a 2060 bruhh better turn on graphics down a notch 😅
Bro I have 34 tflops Radeon 6800xt that runs everything maxed out.
Even the unreal engine retardations with nanite lods and Lumen global ilumination+virtual shadowmaps.
Just get good PC.
RTX 4060 ti is now 500 USD while it was 230 USD product tier 3 generation ago.
Same here with 2070 :)
I just use it to get to 144fps in games like rdr2
I didn't expect to say this but, welcome back LowSpecGamer
That GTA V looks worse than some homebrew for Game Boy Advance
Hey I played like that it wasn't that bad
If U were playing in ps1 that's how the game worked
Lossless Scaling is most useful on laptops with dual-GPUs, i.e. Samsung's Expert series, which has both an integrated GPU and a dedicated GPU that only gets used for certain applications. LS lets you choose which GPU it'll use, so you can use the dedicated GPU to run the game itself, but the integrated GPU for LS.
Cant you disable one of them with mux switch from bios
The fact I actually use lossless scaling for an RTX 3070 to actually use RTX at high FPS tells a lot about devs.
5070 is coming out so thats nit really crazy
@@thrashvickk I ain't changing my graphics card in like 4-6 years, and when I do, I'll go for the 7-8090
rtx is meant for high end graphics cards, low/mid cards are still going to struggle with it for a long time
3070 is a not a high end card
@@DontStealMyNoEffortName For me, it works just fine, I was able to play many games at Maxed settings at 144fps with my 1440p monitor.
If that's not high-end, I don't know it is then.
Why don't you just use DLSS at that point, does lossless scaling really work better?
I'm happy to see these super low end machines getting some love. Subbed.
New levels of PC Requirements: High-end, Mid-end, Low-end, Potato, then there is the 8bit
64 bits
32 bits
16 bits
8 bits
4 bits
2 bits
1 bit
Half bit
Quarter nit
Intel celerooooooon!
I subscribed bro! I have a soft spot for low end PC I understood the feeling any person would try their best to make their favourite game playable I been there doing these sort of stuff surprisingly the pixelated graphics doesn't bother me at all. Also I love the way you do stuff records gameplay at phone and immediately switching settings like I used to do when testing any increase frames method. Love the content, stay simple.
This video proves that, when the budget is non-existant, there will always be an alternative
lossless scaling got updated and now u can adjust resolution used to interpolate frames to 25% of original, my pc is like a super coputer comapered to yours but i noticed that it helps a lot
Some games you've tested that has slow motion upon testing, it has to do with the game following the physics framerate and I like you did listen the advices about capping the framerate and minding the CPU and GPU usage to let LS breathe some room for it
piss poor economy forces consumers to accidentally optimize simultaneously for people with a bigger budget. We're living a most wonderful time
GTA 5 AT 144P looks like GBA trying to do 3d 🤣
i genuinely love the look of GTA V on the Nintendo 64 I might try this with my 940MX laptop
i would also like to but my 940mx died a few months ago
I really hope everyone tuning in can snag themselves a gaming rig or laptop this year ☺️
while an actual potato is a bad idea, something like a more recent device or a steam deck is a good candidate for anything that gets stable 30-40 normally.
Do you think it could work well with AMD integrated graphics?
@_rainstormyy yes, model depending.
@@_rainstormyyI have Radeon Vega 3 integrated graphics. Adrenaline alone makes many normally unplayable games for me "playable". This will make them ACTUALLY playable. I need to do some tinkering, but I imagine if you're smart about it you can double your framerate with little drawbacks, and if you're willing to take some big visual hits you can push it even further. Try installing Adrenaline and setting everything to performance first though. You might not even need this if your integrated graphics are better than mine.
Love how you mentioned Jacks hill, nice Zwormz reference there ❤
@@CreamyCrumble Kryzzp would probably puke from these graphics 🤣🤢
Man I do remember doing optifine mods and so much to get every last juice of performance out of MC when I had a shitty Celeron, this brings back memories.
you should make a part 3 with diff games cause this is very fun to watch
15:37 never have i ever actually laughed so hard at a genuine joke and not just from a meme or brainrot
You sir are going places
Thnks, suddenly I appreciate more my laptop with integrated graphics intel i5
squinting your eyes genuinely helps. Imma play my games llike this now
Lossless scaling is very good but it can't do miracles, frame Gen actually needs at minimum 20fps to interpolate properly, it can't "imagine" new frames when there are so few frames to reference, I use it in my 1060 6gb pc and it works wonder at 20 fps interpolated 3x, but it can fail at faster paced games like ZZZ, but at slower games like Snowrunner or Rdr2 it works perfectly
(also lossless scaling updated the Frame gen technology and it's much better)
For GTA4, some people reported using DXVK alleviate the stuttering.
As for the original purpose of the video, another issue I can see is that the juice of that GPU is already fully occupied running LSFG, no room for the game.
Yes, you're right, and it's true that DXVK can help a lot with the performance issues in GTA 4. But there's one small problem: My Celeron N2840 laptop's Intel HD Graphics don't even support Vulkan xd
@@thebigboatgaming Oh yeah that's true.
Seeing this vid brings me back to when i couldnt play anything on integrated graphics
BRO I watched part 1 and 2. The reason it will drop your reg fps is because lossless scaling uses the gpu to process those fake frames. Both in part 1 & 2 you had the "draw fps" option toggled off, so you couldn't even tell the generated frame rate. Always use the latest FG version; FG 1.1 uses x2, so if u want the least performance hit on gpu, just use latest FG with x2.
that cpu/igpu are completely dead nothing will work with it, there is some $30 laptops had better hardware .
You can monitor Lossless Scaling's FPS with MSI Afterburner too. I shared a tutorial on how to do it in the description, take a good look.
bro you made appreciate my old i5 gen 3 laptop 😂
I have an old laptop with Radeon Vega 3 integrated graphics. This will be genuinely useful for me. Then once I get a handheld in the future I can use it to make games run, and LOOK decent.
Damn I was waiting was part 2 it's finally here !
3:50 thats looking like gta sa 💀
GTA SA??? Dude, it looks worse than GTA 3 💀
outside of the resolution , this looks cool , like a Demake ps2 version
Maybe i treated my laptop too harshly.(It ran mgsv on v.high with 30-40 fps)
MGSV is surprisingly extremely optimized for the graphics quality
Literally my old laptop that i used to make animations... Though MUCH WORSE.
2GB RAM (cannot be upgraded)
32GB eMMC (cannot be upgraded but there's a unpopulated SATA ports)
It's very satisfying to see these experiments videos. I love it!! Excellent video dude. Subscribed!! 👏👏😁
Bro is a legend
at this point just watch gameplay videos on youtube
Now finally i can play Shadow of Mordor with 25 fps
I used to play this game on the laptop in the video at 10-20 FPS using a really low resolution. It was quite playable still!
@@thebigboatgaming bro u r a legend salute u 😯😯
Lossless scaling might work better if you can save up for a GTX 1650, RTX 2050 or even decent AMD radeon intergrated Graphics
Despite the poor graphics, when you consider what was being used, it is still impressive.
There are quite a few Cherry Trail Z8000 machines out there that perhaps might show a decent enough performance to make it just worthwhile for some titles.
I used to have my own potato laptop back in the day but now i own high-end pc but still watching these video
Imagine being GTA V Released on Mobile like this Graphics frr
but is already possible right now
but i like this content that if lossless scaling saves ur FPS alot and it is indeed possible :o
"Why are we still here, just to suffer?"
I think at some point installing steamOS is a better idea. I don’t think Linux tops windows largely due to lossless but a point exists where you just need more RAM & you aren’t gonna magically overcome that with Lossless. Lossless can only achieve so much before it’s a bridge too far but I heard that steam operating system can work some magic voodoo on an older machine. I don’t even own a machine old enough or under powered enough to try.
But if you use steamos you won't be able to run anything at all
Might as well just run Linux. Using steamos mean you can't use it as a PC anymore. And anything steamos can do, another Linux distro can do it better
@MultiTheGamerman just debloat Windows, it takes less than 5 minutes compared to the hours and hours you could spend trying to get anything to work on Linux (only to fail miserably)
@revival_of_the_canned_justice the most difficult thing for me in Manjaro linux was changing the clock from 24h to 12h, that took like 2 days. But everything else was pretty easy to understand. But the thing is that even with a custom version windows on my laptop still chug. The limiting factor is windows itself, switching over to linux turn Risk of rain 2 from having massive stutter and frame spike to having consistent frame rate and a flat frame time. So if you don't play games with anti cheat and are willing to learn a new operating system for a few days. It's a pretty good choice.
What i've read "can lossless scaling save your photo"
@@Saxofome Lol
lol same
if youre going to use linear, integer, or nearest neighbor for the "scaling technique" you might as well not use lossless scaling at all, its probably just wasting more frames
@@FeTetra Yeah, these scaling types make everything blocky as heck xd
0:27 Neat I'm in the video! In all seriousness whenever you showed the graphics settings it was always showing fullscreen so that was the reason I thought you wheren't using borderless :P
Besides the weird outlier of NFS MW 2005 the results are pretty impressive considering you handicapped yourself in 3 areas at once which is very aged hardware combined with being a low end product of the time and ultra low power consumption with probably below 10 watts of package power (idk if power consumption readout of the OSD is total package power or cpu only which is the more likely scenario) which is even less than the Steam Deck's power budget.
Btw did you know that the performance OSD overlay has a performance cost in itself? I tested with a power meter measuring directly from the wall and whenever I turned on the OSD via the toggle I had an increase of 10 watts in power consumption from the wall. Tested by using a very low usage program that would allow for the overlay to trigger while idling. For powerful systems the difference is probably very negligible to the point of being margin of error but for a very low power system like this you could try if fps would improve by simply disabling the overlay (verify by counting frames on video capture if you have a fast enough camera like a phone supporting slow motion capture or while using 2 programs that measure fps and disabling one at a time which would enable you to find out if you could find a more lightweight fps counter without hardware readouts. You could still show both results depending on context or if you think it's relevant).
Edit: Looks like I got extra coverage at 3:28 :D
Pro tip from videos creator: Squint your eyes for free anti aliasing
Cheers!
@eduonkhl Cheers!
Regarding the power usage, I definitely think MSI Afterburner is showing the power usage for the whole package (CPU + iGPU), as crazy as it sounds, cuz when my CPU usage is very high, but integrated GPU usage low, the power usage is at around 2 W, but when the usage of the Intel HD Graphics is also very high, the power usage is usually at 3.5 W.
I'm mostly amazed the package is drawing only 3.5W of power but it's running Windows 10? Is that even possible.
Basically how nvidia advertises the 50 series lineup
bro is playing GTA 0.5 with his laptop
The lossless scaling just crashes in my dads geforce 9500 gt lol
What PC do you have know, I mean your honest PC specs please !!
@@FloatSamplesGT710 i dont have a pc but my father has a geforce 9500 gt with a intel core duo e5700 and 4gb of ddr2 ram with 18gb of space left he just does trading and stuff so he doesnt need much
I think your only hope is emulation@@thecoolguyhelper6570
Dude that pc is decade years old, you should treasure it while you can
@@thecoolguyhelper6570i had that exact rig
Idk why this so funny😂😂
I always enjoy the mandatory madness that we all share when we experiment with old tech.
0:27 yo its me
GTA 4 being in the video and Roblox arsenal at the end 🔥🐐
This is great, I have a NANOTE NEXT laptop heading my way that has a J4205, will be fun to see what that one can be subjected to!
nice man i love lossless, i go from 60-120 with gtx 1650
You can understand pathetic condition of optimisation in games nowadays as im using lossless scaling frame generation in my rtx 2050
in gta 4 if you want 60 fps go to a tunnel
Or face the ocean xd
@@gtalive1299 yeah or downgrade to 1.0.0.8 som say 1.0.0.4 is best for no lag but its just the low quiality shadows and we dont really want shadows
15:38 You're so fun to watch 😂
rockstar can definitely port gta4-5 to mobile
keep VSync OFF if FPS is far away from Monitor Hz.
You can't expect adaptive VSync from every software, if it doesn't support it, VSync ON will cause more input delay, lower FPS and sometimes even more instability.
If you set your monitor on its high resolution like 2k or 4k you will same performance but 3x improved picture quality and the settings I used in lossless scal- scaling type custom and set 3 or 4 and enable resize before and select lsfg 1.1 then check the performance and also select integers option
this video makes my laptop feel like a gaming beast. core i7 3840qm no dgpu if anyone's wondering
@@alexgravitos That quad-core i7 is pretty good tho still, even if you don't have a dedicated GPU. I have a Lenovo Legion Y520 with i7-7700HQ (and a dedicated GTX 1050 tho), and everyday tasks and video editing are extremely responsive and fast.
@@thebigboatgaming i've recently grabbed half a thinkpad with a 6th gen i5, gotta check how well ot performs in gta online. one day, once all the spare parts arrive, lol
PlayStation 1-2 graphics 4:35
Not bad. Not bad at all.
Lossless is effectively "rich get richer" if that makes sense.
This will not save your redhead laptop, but it will give gains to decent hardware.
I dont understand, why this software doesnt affect war thunder and enlisted
4 seconds in and i js wanna say i used the same mouse as you for like 3 years :) its a great mouse
@@RaduNerd It's a really great mouse indeed, been using it for 5 years now I think :)
"Even in jack's hill"
I never play GTA V before until recently when i play it in my phone
Ahh yess playing on my toaster has never been better
ok so if we have a issue with low resolution what if we torture this celeron and use a upscaler so it doesnt actually go to 720p but just upscales it
Gotta love the respect for Jack's hill in GTA V👍
the app is great, im using it just to insert FG into games, with reflex on and boost theres no input lag either, double framerates and keeping native 1440p.
You really sound like that tecno radio guy from GTA San Andreas
I WAS WAITING FOR THIS 🎉
"On THAT resolution i CAN'T PRONOUNCE" 😂🤭
What about games that this PC can actually run at 30/60 FPS like Classics NFS? Also, what about Outrun 2006 Coast to Coast and Slipstream (the newer one)?
your intel celeron n2840 4gb ram 500gb hdd crushes my intel celeron n3050 2gb ram 30gb sd (crazy there's still thousands of levels out there)
@@matrixgames-yc8id Yes, cuz of those 2 GB RAM and the crappy soldered to the motherboard 32 GB eMMC drive.
@thebigboatgaming but there's no worries I'm gonna keep it because I can always turn the resolution down to 120x64p
best video for watch while eating 👍
we need a video for RDR2 and cyberpunk 🤣🤣
RDR2 and Cyberpunk run at 144 FPS in 16k Max on this laptop
Source: Trust me bro
@@thebigboatgaming 🤣🤣
@@thebigboatgamingI swear that will be a great video. Try it out my friend 😂
We got lobotomy gta5 before gta6🎉
Maximum potato 😊
Why did this pop up in my recommendations when i was just looking how to fix far cry 3 input latency lol
What input are you using, and are you using any frame gen?
A little late
Years ago after my first notebook I bought in 2012 I wasn't happy so I installed a pin-compatible i7 CPU. I was able to get a buttery smooth 15-20fps. Just get an Aya Neo or something
I wish this stuff existed back when I had a shitty 4gb laptop lol I got a pc and since then I haven't bothered going back to the old ways.
That’s got smoother more than my first Laptop Asus X441B with cpu AMD A9-9425 and gpu Radeon R5 💀
awesome video u should ahve tried csgo 2012 the old verison those run on anything
Now you can finish the game
This is insane
I hope that you not only have that pc because you spent like pretty much more on games than on a pc.
Duh he pirated all of them
@@Anxnda Don't worry, I also have a Lenovo Legion Y520 with Intel Core i7-7700HQ and GTX 1050 4GB! 😊
Good old ps1, times 😂
2:05 Kek grafik epep anji 😂😂
you are a legend
THAT LOOKS AMAZING but i have a slight problem the mouse disappears and i have hide cursuor to off
Oh my god, you sound exactly like Jeffery from class of 09
NIS isn't a performance tool its made to sharpen images at the cost of performance
nice video for lunch
15:36 Hahahahahah boss!
that gta v looks like gta sa
@@Johuri It looks worse than GTA 3