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- Is Hungary turning away from the EU and heading towards a new form of ‘illiberal’ democracy? The BBC's special correspondent Allan Little reports.
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0:44 "Not remotely as Western Europe had hoped for"
So what? Since when is Western Europe supposed to be able to decide things for other countries?
So yousupport fascists?
Western Europe has often been quite happy telling Hungary what to do and abandoning them when they need help.
Ti Magyarorok már Istent imádjátok.
@@Yassified3425
You clearly do
"Hungary is one of the most difficult countries to enter illegally"
What's the problem with that?! An illegal immigrant has no permission to stay in the county. Any immigrant, who is allowed can come and go as he/she pleases. For goodness sake, yes, Hungary's government is authoritian and cocky, but not a team of dictators. There is a difference between being unjust and being tough on a crisis.
Stay strong Hungary!
Greetings from Poland!
Two based countries along with Russia
God Bless Hungary!
Hungary and the Hungarian people have the right of self determination without pressure from outside interest
The Laughing Man well then they should give back the 22 billion euros they received in the last years from the EU. And from now on no one should trust a Hungarian's word since it took them a decade to forget what they pledged to do when they joined the EU.
Hungarians are outsiders who invaded Europe in the 9th century! You have no right to talk about anything in Europa!
About time the rest of the EU stops subsidizing them and Poles and the like. Why the fuck give them free shit? They can be rabid xenophobes and racists and demented anti-semites on their own dime.
TheSpiritOfTheTimes
They can be however they want and you should respect that as I do. Moreover, it would be good if at least 2-3 european countries would not be islamized until the end of the century. If you like being invaded, why don't you take in all of them ?
TIH YDP oh...I..am.. sorry ? :)) my bad
Every country must be careful about taking immigrants. If Hungary is doing this then nothing is wrong.
Victor Orban is a fine man
Gábor Abádi Another Commie loser !
Gábor Abádi shame on you liar!
Hungary and serbia are the king of europe forever.
This is PROPAGANDA!!!
Hungary is the normal country here thr UK, France, Germany, Sweden are the insane ones.
Hungary will be Hungarian in 100 years who knows about the others I mentioned.
"Hungary will be Hungarian in 100 years"
Really? Most of our nationalist who are so fond of their cultural heritage don't have a clue about that exact heritage, and are rather uneducated. I do love my country, i find our history and craftsmenship fascinatind and i oppose illegal immigration but what is happening in my country right now is ridiculous. 20% of the population is illiterate and these people get all their information from the solely government operated radion stations. How is this in any way normal? I agree that the west went too far with "liberalism" which can't even be called liberal, more like *you can't speak freely if it offends anyone in any way* and doing so they destroyed what they wanted to achieve but here, in Hungary corruption is rampant and people are deliberately misinformed and lied to.
Hungary better get some nukes then. It will come to another world war.
Gábor Abádi In regard to the government media and corruption/lies, of course this is bad. However when compared with the essential destruction and self determination of our people being robbed, I personaly envy your people's position.
Ideally both nations wouldn't have their respective problems. However yours may be solved in future, ours very unlikely due to demographic change.
Hungary shows us how countries should behave in today EUROPE. We need more countries like Hungary!
Well if you want rigged elections with the current government paying people to vote for them, people's votes massively disappearing and manipluating old people who don't know whats happening in the world then fine.
Our current government is not a good one, they lie about a lot of stuff such as the "BIG" "Soros Plan" (that doesnt exist btw), and they are riding on the immigrant wagon for a long time now, even if the immigration has stopped by now mostly and immigrants are a rare sight at the border now. I'm not saying that the fence wasn't useful but cmon man it's like telling us "But I helped you with your maths test last year so you must do what I say ".
I'm really scared that we will get kicked out of the EU because of the government not doing what it should be.
Well all I can say is that you fell for the nice wrapper.
@Mind Freshener you say hungary doing the right thing "compared" lets say its true (I'm shure there are some cases that is and some were it isn't) I'm shure when you were in school and get a bad mark but in class were some classmates who get worse... you didn't think "ohh I get a great mark i need to continue study in this way in the future"
hungary has a lot of serious problem and the goverment should let the immigrant stuf go and focusing on the healtcare and education (if they don't have resources at least they should admit it) we have enough fences and stadions pls
To be more fascist?
Good for Hungary then lol
This video makes little sense, on one hand that says that Orban is a threat to liberal democracy, yet on the other he was elected leader by a fair all-inclusive democratic vote. That is without doubt a cornerstone of liberal democracies.
The problem is Orban is resisting certain globalist and European institutions. The ruling European kakistocracy do not like this at all. Things really started to heat up around migration, Orban's views about nationality and self-determination are shared by the majority of citizens in the EU.
Why not put the issue of migration to national referenda throughout affected countries? It's simple the ruling kakistocracy know they will be told to go to hell.
+jdfreality To understand why the illiberal democracy is a problem you need to ask yourself but one simple question. You have the right to choose to not have certain rights for yourself, but do others have the right to take *your* rights away without your consent?
What does kakistocracy mean?
To understand why the (EU) illiberal democracy is a problem you need to ask yourself but one simple question:
Can you vote for Juncke? (NO!)
But he and others (you can't vote for) make your laws!
Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens. Origin of kakistocracy. Greek kakistos worst superlative of kakos bad
jdfreality thank you. Like Dunning-Kruger syndrome on a beurocratic scale. Sounds familiar.
This is so poorly executed ))))) The dramatic tone of the narrator, almost looks like a sketch from Monty Python. Go Hungary!!!
Man, BBC really can't stop despising Hungary!
Sinister piano music, and camera angles and worried voice over. Well done BBC
Have the BBC any idea of the history of Hungary? They show considerable disregard even contempt for the history of countries like Hungary and Poland. Hungary was almost destroyed in 1526 at the Battle of Mohács by muslim Turks who were allied to France. The Hungarians have a saying when anything goes wrong in their lives, something like “Worse happened at Mohacs” or “Not as bad as Mohacs”
. When the victorious Turkish army marched into Budapest, the French ambassador was there to congratulate them on their victory.
The Poles count one of their greatest achievements was saving Europe from yet another Turkish invasion at Vienna in 1683 despite opposition from France.
Almost incredibly, in the 1870s when black slavery had been abolished the Muslim Turks were selling Hungarian and other East European women as slaves throughout their Empire. Not many and they were very expensive for that reason, but that's not the point.
Both countries have been ill used by French and German states throughout their history. Whatever multiculturalists may think for France and Germany virtually order them to admit foreigners particularly muslims is hard for them to swallow.
Büszke vagyok arra, hogy magyar vagyok
It is time to take off silk gloves. Hungarian and other Eastern European TV stations should produce documentaries how UK is turning into facist state.
forEVER live Hungary ⚠️
Good going Hungary
This comment section is gonna be cancer
Tedious Nip yup.
Hungry seems to be safer than other EU places.
Funny how the "Hungarians" forget they were also illegal immigrants to Europe from the 9th century.
I don't really see that as an argument for even more immigration, but whatever. Immigration today breaks apart societies and causes tensions between the local population and migrant population, especially with muslims. It is a real problem everywhere and we've just had enough of it. Immigration does nothing but damage to our societies. Refugees... fine, they need help. But more than that? No. Multi-culturalism and Europe do not mix
Raghu Seetharaman By that argument everyone is an immigrant. It’s a pathetic excuse for globalism.
Raghu Seetharaman
Just because of that they should let muslims in? Don't be stupid
fuck off apu
This country already experienced an Ottoman Occupation and half of the towns and villages were set on fire. Half of the inhabitants DIED ín heroic battle against the overwhelming power of Turkish Troops. The most liked novel is "Stars above Eger" by Géza Gárdonyi. In which you may learn tehát our country is NOT FOR SALE!
Hungary has the right to self-determination and setting its own immigration policy, but if it clamps down on freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and an independent judiciary, its state shouldn't have the right to access Western subsidies and funds, western free markets, and customs free barriers, without accepting any responsibility. Right now Hungarians are being taught to credit Oban with their economy, so the west is complicit, by rewarding Oban's power grabs.
I mean liberal democratic principles like freedoms. And responsibility in solving crises, both defence and humanitarian.
TIH YDP, No, it's not rubbish, freedom is the issue. Just because you want to reduce every issue down to " saving the white race" from "brown people" as you claim in the other thread, doesn't mean all Hungarians should be deprived of free speech, a free press, access to NGOs, independent education, and an independent judiciary.
If people oppose immigration, that is perfectly reasonable to do so in a free society, what is not reasonable, is for the government to control the press, and shut down opposition voices, and control the judiciary, and use fear of minorities. Europe has gone this way before, and it ended in disaster. Liberal democracy is a product of the enlightenment, which has given the west our advancements, both social and scientific.
Bjørn Henrik-Pettersen The biggest threat to free speech, a free press and independent education etc., is multiculturalism, particularly Islam, and the liberal left as demonstrated so clearly in Britain, Sweden and the rest of Europe, and as in Canada. There is no free speech in Britain anymore. There is indoctrination in our schools which is enforced by inspectorate. There is enforced alteration in our language and the dopey, dangerous notion of 'hate' speech. The insidious evil of identity politics is encouraged by multiculturalism, the need to identify by 'communities' rather than by nation states.
Joo Loo, Governments stifling public criticism, controlling the press, and controlling the judiciary isn't a remedy for a lack of free speech in western Europe. Criminalising the idea of Poles being collaborators in the Holocaust is absurd, what next? We all should have adopted America's full free speech, we don't have a right not to be offended, Britain is actually a lot better than a lot of Europe in this regard. We should also adopt America's cultural melting-pot over multiculturalism.
The most important thing for me, in this video, is the claim that the Hungarian judiciary is losing its independence.
Yet I can't find anything in the comments section except rants against the EU and "brown people"
Just a friendly reminder, dear Compatriots, when we talk about these "immigrants that arrive from abroad": you seem to have forgotten that we also just arrived in the Carpatian region at some point and we were indeed newcomers as well. Let alone, that what today seems to be traditional Hungarian, has indeed NOTHING to do with the Magyars: Let's have a look, shall we?
What would Arpad say he saw:
- we are not nomad anymore, but settled in cities, villages
- we changed religion and took up a non traditional, un-magyar-like one, from other cultures
- we use Latin alphabet and ARAB (danger, danger, danger!) numbers, OMG
- we eat paprika, krumpli, cabbage, corn, tomato, McDonald's
- we use words like smucig, mutter, muszáj, sezlony...
So just think about how many things we picked up througout the centuries by being an open society. Now, this seems to be closing in, which is the worst any surviving society can do. But, no problem, let's commit national suicide, we are good at it.
This story is very distorted. The EU was formed for Europeans to serve economic and freedom of movement. While questions of judicial democracy are relevant, the question of immigration has been addressed democratically in Hungary. Every country gas its own right to decide on immigration as this item was never part of the original concept of the union.
I would call this ,,legal democratic and Christian liberalism’’
That was great
Atleast I wont be jailed if I have an opinion againts immigrants here. Not like in England.
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VIKTOR ORBAN IS AN
ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT
LEADER . EVERY nation
Should follow his example.
do you have any news on glorious armenian revolution?
Where are the trolls coming from?
Come on Brexiters, mind your own business!
Thanks for keeping the genre alive. I'm very proud of you, guys at BBC.
Yours *Joseph Goebbels*
The EU policy regarding refugees and immigration as well as Schengen are also suicidal in the long term. You cannot allow tens of millions of people into Europe who are basically against Western civilization, such as those coming from many Islamic societies and Africa. These folk are economic migrants more than anything else. They largely do not value traditional Western values or civ. and therefore Eastern Europe recognizes this threat for what it is, as opposed to many in the West, who pretend every culture is the same and or equal. This is demonstrably false and dangerous.
The examples of the above are clear. Sweden, Britain, Italy, France, Benelux and of course Germany, all have large problems because of these issues.
I have not heard specific examples how democracy does not exist in Hungary. Are the elections unfair? What open society values have been rejected by Orban?
This all seems like a lot of assertions and accusations and little to no substance. I would like specifics and evidence.
what is this guy in the glasses saying at the end? that the EU could work if only strong countries were a part? tf does he mean by that? Is he saying that if they kicked out the weaker nations that the EU would be better? Lmao, what does he think Hungary is in relation to France, Germany, Italy etc..
God bless Victor Orban from Scotland
their country their way. leave them be. you left the EU any way.
TH-cam taking my dislike away from this video like this so everyone can see what they are doing
I find it very interesting that they acknowledge that the people of Hungary have voted for this time and time again yet they pretty much ignore this fact throughout pushing more to try and trip people up rather than actually do anything investigative. The manner in which they questioned was far more predatory than inquisitive. I also think it is very telling that they refuse to acknowledge any other form of democracy other than liberal, left-leaning democracy. There is no acknowledgement that an actually democratic country, unlike the communist/totalitarian countries that go by the same definition, can be anything other than liberal or left-leaning; you can't try and remain in the centre and try and be impartial and you especially can't lean towards conserving what has worked in the past because that is very often labelled as being far right.
do not pay your TV licence it's a scam people
Dear Allan, I’m just wondering whether your middle name is “know”? Ahh don’t worry, it was a rhetorical question 👎
Flagship news???? Pirate ship more like
I would love Victor orban
As UK prime minister.
The UK has Nigel Farage, why don't you Brits vote for him?
A beautiful country and a gorgeous capital. A fairytale ❤
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Victor Orban's party behaves like communists. Hungary is an increasingly un-free country. This has nothing to do with immigration.
Cry about itn
@@armanvranka7520 That's the best you can do?
Support for Orban and Hungary from the American people.
When people understand there's just Earth and humans, not nations and nationalities, life will improve. Reality+rationality+effort trumps faith.
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Good report
“When you liberalize without thinking the consequences, you are only plunging yourself into traditionalism”
Right, it's illiberal for a sovereign nation to act internally in the best interest of its people but it's liberal for an authoritarian government with zero right to tread on sovereign States to dictate their policies to them regardless of what the people want. Suuuuuuure.
BBC, better have a look at your own "democracy", freedom of press and freedom of speech. #FreeTommy
God Bless Orbán.
fake news