In my town, one of the elementary schools is named after a patriarch of the town. Said patriarch in the late 1880s was given his choice of a local native American family's daughters. He chose a 12-year-old. This was after the civil war and after statehood I believe, and 35 years after the treaty was signed opening the area to white settlement. (and lumping the tribes together on nearby reservation land, and putting the kids in Catholic school, etc) A town discussion has opened up about changing the name. Some, you guessed it, white women have argued that "12-year-old marriages were normal in that time". I checked this and it turns out that the average age of marriage of women in the late 1800s in the United States was just under 22. They were not able to see that a school for educating Girls should really not be celebrating someone who took a girl hostage as a child bearer and domestic servant. It is known she had a child at the age of 13. It is probable that they never actually got legally married because it was most likely illegal. The comeback argument was that they did not want to spend money to change the school's name. The money should go toward educating the kids. Still working on this one!
Side note, "gyp/gypped" as a word for cheating/swindling stems from "gypsy" and comes directly from anti-romani racism I know a lot of people that use the words have no idea about the origins, but using them does still impact and hurt Romani people, there's definitely articles floating around for more context :)
? If you ask any Romani, they will admit that theft against outsiders is a common issue. In their culture, it is warranted and seen as revenge for centuries of antiziganism.
I read once in a Liel Lowndes book that the better alternative to this question is “How do you spend most of your time?” and have tried to use that as often as I remember it. As someone who’s now disabled myself the sensitivity in that phrasing is appreciated.
48:26 Really needed to hear this vocalized. There has always been people who knew this was wrong and there’s always been people working against it. We didn’t start the fire AND we didn’t start the resistance. Helps to keep myself in balance. Everyday is a new opportunity to deconstruct this conditioning. Love you guys. ❤
@@kviskvaI have really been working to drop this word! I didn't know what it meant for the first 40+ years of my life, but I do now! "When you know better, you do better"
"A new experience of old racism" really struck me, definitely will be doing a deeper dive on my old movie faves before trying to watch with a poc friend who hasn't seen it. I have definitely become more aware of the problems with some of my fave old movies, but it's different for me to hear the old minstrel show song in white xmas than a black person, even with both of us knowing that history. Different kind of knowing
37:12 it’s the celebration of suffering for me like the whole pull yourself up by the bootstraps thing… as if life itself has no value. Like us being here in itself isn’t a gift. Those Job questions always give me the ick!
Being nervous about the working thing I do get that anxiety, my partner is a stay at home spouse and also has a virtual merchant business and while that is a pretty part time thing that’s what is always emphasized in conversation
I feel this in just speaking on my current situation where I am in a state of ease while others around me are swimming in struggle. I keep hearing myself make sure to mention the ways my life ISN’T perfect as some sort of offering to appease the greedy gods of struggle aka the conditioning to always sacrifice yourself for (the incredibly obliviously ungrateful) others
Swift is an excellent example of someone who leverages the appearance of opposition. She's manufactured several public conflicts where she claims to be the victim, trashes the other person, and they claim she didn't have an issue with them before she went to the public (or that she's completely misrepresented the situation). She has perfected presenting herself as a victim. She only got fully caught once by Kardashian when she was with West, and they recorded her approving something she subsequently made a whole mess about. She's an excellent business woman, and knows how to leverage and monetize the tears of a thin, white, blonde woman.
@@kobaltkween everything you said is true. But just so you know the full video was released in 2020 and Kanye and Kim had definitely illegally doctored it. That was not one of the ones she made up. She’s been very much exonerated.
@canUfeelMYface clarify what you meqn please and thank you? But before you do ask yourself if you're seeking dialogue or combat and if this is the venue for it.
My first thought about the difference in how Us vs. Them plays out is black communities (or queer communities, or any minority that’s oppressed), are comunity built on common vulnerabilities. Which is such a contrast to the Right, and conservatives, who utilize or create victimhood. I first got introduced to the difference between communities of Vulnerability vs. Comunities of Strength from this great little video on Philosophy Tube (I think it’s “Why the left will win”?) Basically, CoV are based around the idea of “we’re struggling, and want to help one another live comfortably in the face of external threats”. While CoS build victimhood around “we would rule the world if our enemies weren’t keeping us down”, which is how groups like White Supremacy justify their core beliefs of superiority, and why they have to constantly create boogeyman.
it’s interesting that you mentioned swifties. since she’s blonde, skinny, white, straight, het, etc. she automatically attracts white supremacists because those are traditionally the characteristics of their symbols that they look for. i think if you don’t represent a part of a group or multiple groups (intersectionally) that are criticized or systemically put down, you have to do your best to clarify that you don’t identify with white supremacy. she doesn’t do that however, (because she attracts a large fan base from not rocking the boat in the least, even if ‘rocking the boat’ means taking a harsh stand against racism) which is why she attracts white fans that are automatically hurtful to black fans in the same concert- going crowd. she fosters the environment of bigotry by not speaking out against it.
I am a white woman with c urly Kinkyy hair as a child. I used to cry, not anymore. I just let it go, curly.But why does a black person get offensive?When a white person compliments their braids?
@@susandeangelis6886 because it’s a common micro aggression that white women do to call attention to black women’s hair in a number of ways. (also we shouldn’t complement them on their “wig”). If you want to bring it up, I have learned it’s best to just say “I’d like your hair, or your hair looks beautiful.”
In my town, one of the elementary schools is named after a patriarch of the town. Said patriarch in the late 1880s was given his choice of a local native American family's daughters. He chose a 12-year-old. This was after the civil war and after statehood I believe, and 35 years after the treaty was signed opening the area to white settlement. (and lumping the tribes together on nearby reservation land, and putting the kids in Catholic school, etc)
A town discussion has opened up about changing the name. Some, you guessed it, white women have argued that "12-year-old marriages were normal in that time". I checked this and it turns out that the average age of marriage of women in the late 1800s in the United States was just under 22.
They were not able to see that a school for educating Girls should really not be celebrating someone who took a girl hostage as a child bearer and domestic servant. It is known she had a child at the age of 13. It is probable that they never actually got legally married because it was most likely illegal.
The comeback argument was that they did not want to spend money to change the school's name. The money should go toward educating the kids.
Still working on this one!
Thank you for caring
That is beyond horrifying, wtf
Side note, "gyp/gypped" as a word for cheating/swindling stems from "gypsy" and comes directly from anti-romani racism
I know a lot of people that use the words have no idea about the origins, but using them does still impact and hurt Romani people, there's definitely articles floating around for more context :)
@@alyssaghalambor4212 oh I’m sorry, I do know this and just didn’t think of it. Thank you so much for bringing that up. I will do better.
? If you ask any Romani, they will admit that theft against outsiders is a common issue. In their culture, it is warranted and seen as revenge for centuries of antiziganism.
I hate the question of “what do you do?” Or even, “what do you for work?” As an ice breaker. Why do we have to be defined by our job?
i’m disabled and don’t work. this question is always incredibly uncomfortable for me
It's not. It's feeling out how they should treat you, least in my experience. Same thing if somebody asks you where you're from.
I'm on disability benefits. So tbh I hate being asked this question 😅
I read once in a Liel Lowndes book that the better alternative to this question is “How do you spend most of your time?” and have tried to use that as often as I remember it. As someone who’s now disabled myself the sensitivity in that phrasing is appreciated.
AutismTube agrees with you, the OP.
48:26 Really needed to hear this vocalized. There has always been people who knew this was wrong and there’s always been people working against it. We didn’t start the fire AND we didn’t start the resistance. Helps to keep myself in balance. Everyday is a new opportunity to deconstruct this conditioning. Love you guys. ❤
Love the podcast
Just need to let y'all know the term jipped/gyped is derogatory to Romani people.
This needs more upvotes
@@kviskvaI have really been working to drop this word! I didn't know what it meant for the first 40+ years of my life, but I do now! "When you know better, you do better"
I did not know that! Thank you for saying this!
@@randiwatches yes I actually knew this and it slipped my mind. I will do better. Thank you so much for bringing this up.
@@KnittingCultLady thank you 💜💚💜
"A new experience of old racism" really struck me, definitely will be doing a deeper dive on my old movie faves before trying to watch with a poc friend who hasn't seen it. I have definitely become more aware of the problems with some of my fave old movies, but it's different for me to hear the old minstrel show song in white xmas than a black person, even with both of us knowing that history. Different kind of knowing
37:12 it’s the celebration of suffering for me like the whole pull yourself up by the bootstraps thing… as if life itself has no value. Like us being here in itself isn’t a gift. Those Job questions always give me the ick!
People say that to others because it helps some of us to grow stronger
Being nervous about the working thing I do get that anxiety, my partner is a stay at home spouse and also has a virtual merchant business and while that is a pretty part time thing that’s what is always emphasized in conversation
I feel this in just speaking on my current situation where I am in a state of ease while others around me are swimming in struggle. I keep hearing myself make sure to mention the ways my life ISN’T perfect as some sort of offering to appease the greedy gods of struggle aka the conditioning to always sacrifice yourself for (the incredibly obliviously ungrateful) others
I wish I was there discussing with you. The 2 of you make me feel so seen ❤ and to want to pick up my needles again 🪡
Swift is an excellent example of someone who leverages the appearance of opposition. She's manufactured several public conflicts where she claims to be the victim, trashes the other person, and they claim she didn't have an issue with them before she went to the public (or that she's completely misrepresented the situation). She has perfected presenting herself as a victim. She only got fully caught once by Kardashian when she was with West, and they recorded her approving something she subsequently made a whole mess about. She's an excellent business woman, and knows how to leverage and monetize the tears of a thin, white, blonde woman.
@@kobaltkween everything you said is true. But just so you know the full video was released in 2020 and Kanye and Kim had definitely illegally doctored it. That was not one of the ones she made up. She’s been very much exonerated.
@@KnittingCultLady Thanks so much for letting me know.
9 to 5 has aged pretty well
Unearned and unnatural advantage. It's not something that happens in the wild, it's something that was designed and constructed
Is that what you believe
@canUfeelMYface clarify what you meqn please and thank you? But before you do ask yourself if you're seeking dialogue or combat and if this is the venue for it.
@@brionlopez9908 no thanks
@@brionlopez9908 its a simple question the does not need explanation honey
@@brionlopez9908 nah
The Hacking vs. Comunity Building with YMCA is so accurate when you compare the queer history if the song vs. how MAGA uses it.
My first thought about the difference in how Us vs. Them plays out is black communities (or queer communities, or any minority that’s oppressed), are comunity built on common vulnerabilities. Which is such a contrast to the Right, and conservatives, who utilize or create victimhood.
I first got introduced to the difference between communities of Vulnerability vs. Comunities of Strength from this great little video on Philosophy Tube (I think it’s “Why the left will win”?)
Basically, CoV are based around the idea of “we’re struggling, and want to help one another live comfortably in the face of external threats”. While CoS build victimhood around “we would rule the world if our enemies weren’t keeping us down”, which is how groups like White Supremacy justify their core beliefs of superiority, and why they have to constantly create boogeyman.
Great title!
Can you talk about childism next? It's so embedded in all of this but people often miss it
it’s interesting that you mentioned swifties. since she’s blonde, skinny, white, straight, het, etc. she automatically attracts white supremacists because those are traditionally the characteristics of their symbols that they look for. i think if you don’t represent a part of a group or multiple groups (intersectionally) that are criticized or systemically put down, you have to do your best to clarify that you don’t identify with white supremacy. she doesn’t do that however, (because she attracts a large fan base from not rocking the boat in the least, even if ‘rocking the boat’ means taking a harsh stand against racism) which is why she attracts white fans that are automatically hurtful to black fans in the same concert- going crowd. she fosters the environment of bigotry by not speaking out against it.
work only as hard as you have to, go home and sit with your dog and crochet, maybe go for a walk
2 minutes in - wow.
10/10
I am a white woman with c
urly Kinkyy hair as a child. I used to cry, not anymore. I just let it go, curly.But why does a black person get offensive?When a white person compliments their braids?
@@susandeangelis6886 because it’s a common micro aggression that white women do to call attention to black women’s hair in a number of ways. (also we shouldn’t complement them on their “wig”). If you want to bring it up, I have learned it’s best to just say “I’d like your hair, or your hair looks beautiful.”