Debating Black vs. White Churches: How Our Journeys are Different?
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- Debating Black vs. White Churches: How Our Journeys are Different? Dr. Daniel Black & Karen Hunter
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Dr. Black is on a level, not many people are willing to reach for. Rich in wisdom and willing to share his gift.
And I am here for it, regardless of my own personal beliefs and values.
One of the best episodes! Thank you!
There is a saying " when you've been lied to for so long, the truth is unbelievable.
Dr. Karen you handled that first caller’s comments so well. Thank you for your intelligent and kind response.
I love you, Professor Karen Hunter! You handled the caller's concern with care and love. Babba Black, I love you, your mind and spirit! Ase!
It’s very hard for people when their beliefs are challenged.
“God makes these ends meet!” To cultivate Black Excellence! 🙌🏾❤🙏🏾
I remember seeing Dr. Black teaching students under a tree when I attended CAU ❤🖤.
This complete conversation was transforming. The respect you gave the caller was educational and the path forward when dealing with this type of close mindedness. Thank you. Go to Sirius if you really serious. Thanks.
I agree. But religious folks are scared to confront their own beliefs. People should research their religion or text on their own! But I do disagree with black people teaching hell more. I've been to plenty of white churches and that's all they teach and being frequently in white spaces.
Dr. Black is telling the whole truth. One thing I've known about some Christians you cannot critique that religion. They take it as a personal affront. They really don't want to address any of the flaws in the church.
There is a difference between addressing the state of the American Christian Church and addressing Christianity itself.
A lot of people take their complaints about the state of the church out on the actual religion, and they shouldn't. There is nothing wrong with Jesus. The problem is a lot of His followers.
It's almost the equivalent of people who argue against equal rights for black people based on the fact that a number of black people commit crimes. You can't judge the entire black race by what some black people do. You cannot make a case against Christianity itself based on what a few people did to abuse the use of Christianity.
The KKK burned crosses in people's yards. That didn't make Jesus wrong. That made the KKK wrong.
@@princellasmith7562Could you address her statement about churches not addressing issues in the church? Yes... one cannot indict the whole religion, but why does it seem like the church never address alot of the judgements and the contradictions like some sins don't get the unanimous level of condemnation as others... ain't all sins regarded in the same manner?
Sin is Sin, there aren't any different levels of Sin.
@marilynclarke6092 I think that was the whole point of @SeeknDaTruth comment. There are no levels but when it comes to some church folks and certain sins, they have tried to put levels on sin. Mainly it's because they sin differently and those never seem as harsh to them. But last I checked blasphemy of the Holy Spirit was the only sin there was a difference to
This one was very important, we have to be thankful that Queen Hunter is in a space where she can have conversations like this so we can think and relearn. Thanks for sharing Dr. Black with us, Queen Hunter.
Thank you,Karen, Daniel AND VERNITA(the caller).🔥🔥🎯🔥🔥
One is a journey of surviving oppression. The other is a journey of subjugation.
Dr. Black and Professor Hunter this commentary is so important. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Amen
thank you for being here.
I love how Karen acknowledged the woman's opinion but also reminded her that her opinion wasn't the only one that was valid.❤
The people perish for lack of knowledge. Thank you Dr. Black, Prof Hunter.
The Greatest is ❤️
Perish 🙏🏿
@@MNard-sy1kf thank you
Thank you Miss hunter thank you for your comments
Colonization is so deep, enlightenment is going to take time!
These are spiritual attachments that are generational. Dr. Black is always on point! ASE’ ASE’ ASE’
WHAT IS THE SUBJECT, GAY MARRIAGE? YOUR OPINION IS VERY NECESSARY I ALREADY LOVED MYSELF! TAKE OVER KAREN PLEASE!
PLEASE HELP HIM, WHO IS BEGGING WHO? NAT TURNER REBELLION!! RIGHT MS. HUNTER!!
Took me to church AGAIN Dr. Black, Hallelujah, Amen!👏👏👏👏
Thank You Dr Black Unstoppable And Unmoved-able
You better say that Dr. Black. "Where God plants you is the best soil you'll ever have." People never understand how I have survived when leaving what is comfortable but you summed it up in that sentence. Thank you. 🙌🏾
@13:44"The secret about being in America is that it's always begging you to give up WHO YOU ARE for WHAT YOU CAN GET...NEVER WORTH IT!".... Drop THAT MIC, Dr. Black... Everytime!
This was such an amazing segment! Those who have ears…
Jesus told us that not everyone would comprehend. Pray for those who have yet to find the true essence of Christ❤🙏
Wow...., when Dr. Black said they would pay me to take excellence from black kids!
I was moved in away that I had never experienced in all my time on this earth!
The power of this man tongue.
Dr. Black is a gift from the heavens.
PAY ATTENTION!!!
Dr. Hunter you are providing voices that must be heard!
This segment moved me to tears, tears that cleant my soul.
This was a hallelujah moment.
Took me to CHURCH🎉
Professor Hunter u are surrounded by such talented& powerful ppl ... Thank you for sharing we appreciate the luv.....
Preach tell the truth 🙏🏽
I have felt as a young person growing up Christian and listening to the interpretations and sermons I would question things I was being taught to do. There was always a reluctance in answering the complicated questions and instead i was just being told to believe in what was said and God is the answer, so it taught me to stop asking questions. I heard listening to Dr. Black for the 1st time some answers to the questions I asked and as a Spiritual Christian I understand I am finding answers in Dr. Black's teaching that are God sent and it's been a long time coming. I am so happy and proud of his teachings and can't wait as my learning opens me as I go through my new journey. I can't thank you enough Professor Hunter and Dr. Black for helping me on this journey.
I am Atheist, yet I honor and respect Dr. Black's concept and value to African people's around the world.
Appreciate his love for a melanated people like myself.
He may not be right about everything, yet he is consistent and clear and easy to understand.
I love when he comes on Karen's show with these truth nuggets.
I am a witness that Dr Black’s influence is wide. One day I was listening to Karen Hunter and Dr Black and my son who attended a school in the AUC out of the blue say “Oh Mom that’s Dr Black,don’t you remember him”. I say “Ase, Dr Black, thank you for being important in my sons lives” 💙💙💙
Both sons!
Preach, Dr. Black!!
I remember this caller and just shuck my head. I could tell she had never been to a non melanated church. I spent several years with my husband in a white church setting and trust me they never talked about going to hell. I was amazed that they read much more scripture than Black churches during the service but never practiced any of it. Once we went to their home and saw a whole a$$ Nazi shrine(yes they were old Germans). The church died out because they refused to open up to the changing neighborhood. That’s when I realized they had a different agenda that was not for us. Love my KnuFam!
Why I Respect both You and Daniel. You both are True to Thyself! Not just for a paycheck. Mark 8:36
Love your remark about doing your own work, ms Hunter. ❤
When I do attend church, it must be my brothers and sisters church. As an Indigenous human I avoid mayo out of love and Reciprocity. In my prayers always. Were it not for you all ,this old woman would not have survived. Love, peace and respect
Boycott all mayo❤
Sit down stop calling people mayonnaise your an adult person
Boycott all mayo. ✊🏾
@@ddneq677 maybe you should move to a country where they aren’t the majority of the population
Beautiful Conversation ❤
Dr. Black is the TRUTH!!!
Giving up the church is liberating and black folks need to get more into that mindset. Religion has held us back from true progress
Exactly! I'm a black agnostic. Slavery made us religious.
Maybe religion has held you back, but not true Christianity; believing in Jesus and accepting Him as Savior. That's real liberation!
@@pam7500 "sure"
We are individuals. What you feel is right others may not believe it is right. Always remember religion is a personal choice that each person choose what is right for she or he. Finally, as long as your choice doesn’t hurt others it shouldn’t be a problem.
You’re planting a seed today Dr Black. Here I am 👍🏽
I missed Sunday service this morning but I came here... Sister Karen and Dr. Black both preached today! 🙌🏾🙏🏾❤️
amen y'all!!
They were paying me to leave!!! Whew!
God, make these ends meet! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉Yes Spirit!!
That's what you do is guide, teach and counsel individuals. Don't become weary and give up. SO YES IT'S WORTH IT. Faith, Hope and Love!
Loved this segment. ❤ People are lazy. There are so many study Bibles, concordances, dictionaries, etc. available today that eliminate need to know several languages or travel to meet a good Bible teacher. Some folks do not want to study, learn, or grow. It is sad.
You are so correct, Karen. For instance, John Allegro was an atheist who did not believe in God, and yet he was a very prominent member of the small team who decided, in the finale, which books were authentic and 'worthy' of insertion into the bible canon and which were considered apocryphal. I believe that this was for the purpose of controlling the narrative (of what the 'dominant' group wanted the masses to believe). It is most unfortunate that many bible believers will not venture outside the bible for historical proof and related information. Most are also not aware that more than 90 books were discovered at the caves of Qumran (among the Dead Sea Scrolls) and yet the 'Christian' bible only consist of 66! Why? What was hidden that we were not to know, such as where Cain got his wife and started a family (since, once he killed Abel, all that was left, according to scripture, was Adam, Eve, and Cain, who was sent away to the land of Nod). Religion, sadly, do not encourage critical thinking ability, and it is most unfortunate that many (especially blacks) do not engage in serious study and intense research, but takes that one person in the pulpit's rendition as 'gospel truth' (unlike the biblical ancient Boreans who carefully examined the scriptures for themselves to see "if these things are so"). Keep up the good work! I love your channel! What did the bible prophet Hosea say? "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge". The Black church, unfortunately, is strong on stirring the EMOTIONS, with extremely little INTELLECTUAL stimulation.
Wow Dr. Black and Karen!
Dr. Black KEEP me shoutin' over here as he drops wisdom and leaves no mic undropped.
If what you believe is threatened by another point of view, maybe, just maybe, you need to get a deeper understanding of what you believe. IJS
Growing up as a preacher's kid, I am definitely on a different journey than what I grew up on. Religions are difficult for me. My dad preached rapture, mark of the beast, 666, antichrist, etc. He would make it a movie night with screen and film projector. The church would have popcorn and juice and he would show it to the congregation which did include a lot of teenagers and young people. He has different beliefs now but never corrected that information given out. I'm on a different spiritual journey now and my awakening continues. Thanks for this conversation Professor Hunter and Dr. Black. #KnubianLove 😊
This was so spirit filled-thank you both so very much! Oh yes indeed Dr. Black, it is all about the LOVE! This is why I don't refer to those who like to make the claim = "God fearing" people, anymore- instead I say "God loving" because their actions/behavior toward their fellow man/woman will tell the whole story. That direct relationship with the Most High will eventually lead you to the simplicity of just LOVE, but at a higher elevation of it. "Jesus knew the human heart, and that's the REAL TEXT." Amen Dr. Black. Whew!! There goes one of his spiritual gems again- and I am grateful. Thank you Prof Hunter for this.
In response to the caller, "do you not know that that's what Christianity has done? They took the scripture and flipped the script ".
"If you believe in things you don't understand; than you suffer, superstition is not the way"....Steve Wonder.
Did you not know that religion is another name for Superstition? The Mist High is not seeking religious people.
Such amazing, and thought-provoking, content on this channel. Dr. Black brings the heat...and the truth. So many have been misled and bamboozled, by Biblt-toting folks who seek financial gain at the expense of people's souls. Thank you, Karen Hunter...for making us uncomfortable. Peace.
I believe what you believe Karen.
ALWAYS enjoy and learn from message of Dr. Black, Thank you!
Exactly. Me too.
Dr. Hunter, this was great!
Dr. Black didn't want to leave the children behind, he wants to reach and teach! (Proverbs 22:6)
They got to reach and teach, too! GOD bless you both❤
Excellent discussion!
"Live and let live, mind your business and drink your water." And I'm hearing this after literally hearing someone with a social media platform say that humans were not meant to drink water. Yeah, it's a lot harder, and somehow stupider.
More stock of "Freedom isn't Free" please
I’m personally afraid of the Bible that was forced upon my ancestors to read.
Many times its just words of Wisdom🎉
We have to have the desire to know history and what was taken from us. It is only then that we’ll see where some of the things we do in the church come from and it might make us want to know more. You can do both you know…
People in the media (paraphrasing), who are wedded to an ideal and can't move away from it as that ideal is attached to a check.... bars 💯.
I agree. My friend and I jokingly say white God is so much nicer than black God. We joke but it comes from a real place. There's a lot of fear (being scared of) God that's preached in the black church as opposed to respect, adoration, etc. I can remember being told not to question to question and all the old southern Baptist church sayings/traditions. When I tell you this had me in a chokehold! I was "doing church" for so long. I finally had to break away from all the "you're supposed to do this or that/ legalism". I told God the truth, broke away from those chains and NOW we have a real relationship.
Good that you know.
Mr. Black is correct based on my personal experience. I grew up Baptist, and back in the day there was certainly Hell preached every Sunday. However in my adult years I joined an All Caucasian church and they NEVER preached Hell. ALL sermons were about Love and Understanding, It blew me away. I spoke on this in a Sunday school class that the services are totally different.
Dr. black has a right to his opinion, but not a monopoly on the truth. It appeared, as it was expressed as a fact, and I’m not sure it’s a fact that can be supported. I have been a minister at a black Penecostal, black, Christian Methodist, Black southern Baptist, predominantly, white charismatic, and predominantly white southern Baptist church, and it is my experience from my teaching, and my hearing that hell was preached far more in the predominantly white churches, and most definitely the predominantly white denominations. I found the straight black men narrative of the introduction of this program somewhat weird and quite laughable. I listen and enjoy your program quite regularly. Thank you for the dialogue. Peace and blessings.
Professor, I think you should have Neil Degrase Tyson on your show! The community could use it.
If we are looking for leaders then we are lost. I lead myself. I listen to my ancestors heavenly and earthly, and I still make my own work that only I can do. Healing the people only happens correctly when there is no more pain. Once I publish the #urhealingmanual and the #harmonicvibrational so many will see a little piece of what I've been known and doing to help the people become whole. 💯✨🙏🏾 Great conversation
People believe things not on the basis of proof, but on what they find attractive.
I'm an agnostic for a reason
Right karen we should hear all kinds of thought but the "black church" is kinda a generalization. There are lots of black folks who are Jehovahs WitnessesN seventh day adventist and mormons. Which rarely gets touched on. Not all black folks are evangelicals or catholics. Or in traditional black church.
But i agree with Dr. black completely. I am not a christian and the dogma and exclusionary feeling of superiority is unappealing to me for all religions.
You need to understand historically what "The Black Church" is -- 7 major denominations. One must make a distinction between African American Religion & the Black Church. I just gave a presentation on "The Black Church" -- converting the slides daily to eventually become a presentation that can be viewed by all.
If we all believe in "1 LORD JESUS CHRIST, 1 FAITH & 1 Baptism there should be no black and white churches just TRUTH according to the BIBLE🙏💕
But that is the thing though...we clearly do not believe in the same Lord Jesus Christ...
Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Revelation 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Revelation 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
Both Churches are under Constantine Christianity Rev 17, 18 and Rev 6 aka YT Jesus aka CESARE BORGIA
@@dynel.dillardbrotha you dropping knowledge. In 2024 I cannt believe with all the resources we have that people don't know the history of the Bible. Or even read the bible!
Once you know the truth of how the Bible came together and which books were excluded and altered or included it changed my life. There is a reason why the slave holders pushed Christianity so hard on slaves. And the images of a diety that looks like a white man....the utter insanity of that! I looked at all them angels and biblical figures and not ONE looked like me.
The cradle of religion is Africa and the Middle East but they hate us and S*** hole countries???? Nope. How do you believe in the Bible but deny the region these people came from?
Yeah that sounds nice but.... As a black woman that visited a white church before they obviously didn't get that memo. Black people tend to be very welcoming to white people that visit their churches. Unfortunately, it's not always the same the other way around.
Thankyou Professor Hunter & Dr Black fornthis much needed dialogue, We must study & seek GOD for ourselves, 2 Timothy 2:15 is only one of the
instructions we must follow, keep speaking on this subject 🙏💜🔥
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Thankfully I’ve been welcomed in black churches and white churches where we serve a risen Savior.
Great conversation! I would love to see the whole thing but on Sirius, it’s hard to know which video is what I watched on TH-cam and the TH-cam videos don’t always get posted on your Sirius channel. Please advise how I can listen to the entire conversation. Thanks 🥰
unfortunately, whole conversations (the three-hour shows) only stay in the archive for one week. These clips are what I'm allowed to post. It's radio, so the video from the shows aren't captured on the app. I will work on pulling some of the best shows and having them available.
@@KarenHunterShow yes! I once thought I discovered the pattern, to know when a particular show would post on Sirius then it seemed the show I was looking for never posted. Hoping to catch this one. I think the shows posts about 2 days after the clip appears on TH-cam. Anyway, thanks for tackling these topics. I really do enjoy your content 🤗
@@KarenHunterShow ok now this is officially weird. This is now the second time I’ve been looking to watch an episode that somehow skips. The other time it was also a show featuring Dr. Black. On the Sirius app it has episodes for February 22, 23 then skips 24 and 25 but has 26, 27 and 28. The other show also included a discussion on religion.
@@essenceoneessence the app is ...smh
I appreciate the conversation, christ is a mindset..a consciousness that love conquers all...we focus on his works and not what his works was about...let me ask those...what happened to the years that he disappeared..then appeared again..where did he go?
Great response, we each have our own work to do! What was she specifically referring to about his comments.
Whhhhooo church! 😘
"Jezus loves the human heart", Hallelujah.❤❤❤
Why did I think of Deion Sanders when Dr. Black brought up being offered money to take excellence from Black kids. Essentially, giving up on the building of our community within the community. No shade but I had to sit with that...
I guess you haven't looked at the composition of Sanders teams at Colorado vs. Jackson State - not that much of a difference - he's still serving and directly impacting a significant number of Black kids. Who says Sanders gave us who he is -- There's no secret of who he is -- he's transparent -- But I think the point you're making is how Deion left a Historically Black Institution for a predominantly White Institution. That's a different question and it's his decision to make. Daniel Black leaving Clark Atlanta to go to a PWI is not a comparable comparison to Deion's situation because the professor doesn't have control over the composition of the student body. Deion does.
@@cgrock My thought regarded the latter. I believe you're excusing him leaving an HBCU to go to a PWI because he's still "serving" Black kids. In my opinion, and as an HBCU graduate who also briefly attended a PWI, it is not the same at all. He may be transparent...cool. What does his transparency have to do with the end game in and for the Black community? To cape for him is a bit PR'ish. Also, my thought is not a judgment. However, it does lead to greater conversation which should be the goal within OUR community. No disrespect, but if you're not Black I don't expect you to fully understand why there was/is such disappointment that he left JSU. But if you are, maybe consider our dialogue a bit more deeply. Peace.
"The secret about being in America - it's always begging you to give up who you ARE for what you can GET." - Dr. Daniel Black. I'm slamming Dominoes on the table without the dominoes! 🙂
Professor Hunter and Dr. Black, let's just "put it where the goats can get it" - I don't want to be more like Jesus if it requires me to look within and "crucify" anything within my "heart" that's not like Jesus. Just give me some rules! I can fake compliance with a set of rule. I grew up drinking Nestle's Quik and that's how I like my Christianity/Religion - Quik to receiving a crown without the option of enduring a cross! 🙂
I don't why Professor Hunter is always trying to hand us a mirror! It took me years before I could remove the towels that I had draped over all of the mirrors. I didn't want to deal with all of that stuff! 🙂 You know why? I read the parable of the 'Good Samaritan' and I concluded that I had probably resembled more of the other characters in the parable but with a faulty self-assessment that I was the 'good Samaritan' in the parable - the 'Drum Major Instinct'.
I'm not smart enough to define what a "white" church and a "black" church are to be quite honest. They became quite irrelevant when I engaged in the hard and quite painful (in the beginning) work of self-reflection. The "So loved"..."the WORLD" written in John 3:16 from God's perspective of humanity, while routinely quoted is often ignored in the personal work required of continually becoming better people in our short-lived journey in this world.
The caller was correct, he tends to be off often times on Scriptures. Dr. Black should be able to say, he is only expressing his point of view that could very well be wrong. That taking as truth is important. Hearing a differing opinion is great, but it has to be labeled as such. Good comments.
This dude often makes me tear up, he gets on my nerves🥺
She's mad, but black folks do talk about Heaven and Hell more than others
.4th .at the end of the day it's being able to Look at yourself in the mirror and self-respect and decency
We need to leave these Eurocentric fable based spiritual paths behind. (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.) Actually the fable based African systems aren’t the answer either. Religion short circuits the ability to think critically. Spiritual enlightenment comes from mastering one’s emotions and impulses.
We're concerned about representation, yes everyone has their own felt experience, but misrepresentation is a real thing. Some people have the ears of policy makers, and can affect lives, I hope they take the time to listen more.
I ask....Dr. Black, how long until "The Second Coming ".?...I'm trying to be patient.
2 Peter 3:3-9
"Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.
8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."
This discussion reminds me of an epiphany I had. Growing up in a C.O.G.I.C. The old folks used to say you have to make a 100 because 99 1/2 won't. Is God a tyrant or is it that my well meaning ancestors just parroting the voice of the slave master? I mean it really sounds like something a pious slave master would say. Anyway I enjoyed the discussion.
Ain't that oppression,or depression, what say You?.
Hebrews 10:7 King James Version
Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Love me some Dr. Black!
Doc kilt dat shyte at the end!!!...so many...TOO many Christians miss that love part🤷🏿♂️...like swing and miss strike 3 ur out miss!!!!....and the sister on the call exemplifies too many Christians inability to verbally explain with scripture their position....I have a lot more to say on that but karen hunter for prez!!!1✊🏿
BELlEVER
INDIVIDUALISM
DEPENDENCE ON GOD
I AM THE CHILD OF GOD
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Prof the call in caller was only giving her comment base what your guess stated. You’re always making statements that different ideas and opinions are good but if it doesn’t line up with what you feel a response should be or go against your favorite guest then you end up using your platform to discredit the caller. Don’t forget it’s the listener and caller that creates the space you move in.
it has zero to do with what lines up with what I think or believe...but I will not allow people to call up and say just anything without thought and some scholarship because 90 percent of the LISTENERS never call. I serve the listeners and if you want to challenge me, 1. make sure you actually listen to the show, not just watch these clips. 2. know wtf you're talking about, not just running your mouth. 3. come in with respect for yourself and the audience.
There is no black church, there is no white church, but there are church congregations comprised of various and sundry peoples of different ethnicities and cultures.
The point is, there is only one church, and the church is one body, the body of Christ. It is one people, a peculiar people, whereas before they were not a people in the sight of God.
The church is an invisible kingdom in the midst of the world. It came without observation.
Very naive view -- Do your research -- In a Utopian world there should be only one church, but in reality, there's many different versions of the Christian church and the Black Church is uniquely different. To understand the Black Church you have to understand the story of Exodus -- Slaves were pointed to Ephesians: slaves obey your masters & they stumbled into Exodus - Moses told Pahraoh to let my people go. Enslaved Blacks were converted to the faith (Christianity) and then converted the faith itself -- transformed it into a liberating faith.
As I've heard on this channel before, two things can be true. One thing I know is that LOVE loves all, even if it doesn't agree with all. There are external writings (Pliny, Seutonius, etc.) by people who wouldn't benefit (in their minds), from the truth that Christ died, and rose again, whose writings verify that he in fact did. God being God, is the whole point as far as what it written. He's Sovereign and as much as people would like to think they were in control of what went into the Bible, they were not. God allowed in what he wanted in. Else, he's not God. That said, as one of you mentioned, Christ did not come to condemn the world (the people in the world), but to save it. He came not to bring peace between man, but a sword (because when you choose him, best know, you will be persecuted), but he did come to bring peace, reconciliation between God and man. Lastly, that was spot on, if you say you love God whom you have not seen, but hate your brother (gay, black, white, straight, muslim, jew, etc.), then you are a liar. Love draws. It accepts people where there are, it doesn't condemn. The only one, who died and rose was Jesus Christ. Thank you for the platform.
Church,?.
I don't hear anyone preaching about he'll anymore?
I’m a white man. The only times I feel moved in a spiritual sense where when I attended my local black churches (shout out Philippi Baptist and AME ZION in JC, TN.) The worship is truly moving and seems very earnest and… JOYFUL.
The Black Church is loving and celebrates diversity. The best ones that l know have many community and government leaders in their membership.
Pastors or Clergy will not marry same-sex couples.
That’s the issue and no amount of civic and social justice engagement will offset that fact.
Progressive white churches have the same issue.
There must be more candid conversations about sexual identity in the church. No one should be excluded from corporate worship.
The Body of Christ worships in spirit and in truth, John 4:23-24, therefore the focus is on living for Jesus Christ and not for self.
“To live is Christ and to die is gain.” Philippians 1:21
Our bodies are a living sacrifice to die to flesh and live for God. This is where we see a disconnect in terms of what we think we know about the lives of gay people. This is where people don’t feel the transformative Love of Christ from His Believers.
Those are just my thoughts. Discernment is important because damaging trust is what makes The Church a poor witness to Jesus Christ and the Christian journey.
Deuteronomy 28:36 The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.
Deuteronomy 28:37 And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee.
Deuteronomy 28:41 Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.
Deuteronomy 28:45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:
Deuteronomy 28:46 And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.
Deuteronomy 28:48 Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.
Deuteronomy 28:49 The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;
Deuteronomy 28:50 A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young:
Deuteronomy 28:58 If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD;
Deuteronomy 28:62 And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the LORD thy God.
Deuteronomy 28:64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.
Black people will never research. I did and it is a reference book. Faith and judgement is what most believe. I just can’t.
@@amaradominique You are lost in the sauce. Either you accept the Word of TMH Yahawah or you stay lost. Jeremiah 17:4 And thou, even thyself, shalt discontinue from thine heritage that I gave thee; and I will cause thee to serve thine enemies in the land which thou knowest not: for ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn for ever.
Jeremiah 17:5 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.