RIP Darth Vader and Mufasa. I remember seeing James in Big Bang Theory, playing pranks on Carrie Fisher. “It’s not funny James!” “Then why am I laughing Carrie?” 😂
Apparently Carrie Fisher and James Earl Jones never met before that episode. So when they were in the same room Carrie hugged him while saying “daddy!”
Personally to end this strife is simply for Disney to stop making Star Wars content, that is sad to say, but I already have plenty of Star Wars content to be happy from the EU and the 6 movies. I prefer they just stop instead of causing more harm
@@ChosenOne-il4bmI hope you do more than just say it just like all the super Progressive people protesting outside the DNC I hope they actually mean what they say and aren't going to vote for Kamala Harris
@@officialmonarchmusic homophobic? I don't think anyone is scared of gays. Not wanting that crap in starwars and calling out the pandering to the idiotic leftist ideology that Disney is constantly doing is an OPINION. And everyone should have the right to say it without fearing for their livelihood.
The first step in recovery is admitting you have a problem, We can't move forward with this entity in power, they don't see a problem, so no it will Never happen!
We need to keep moving forward, Disney won't listen yet, but as they lose money they eventually will have to acknowledge it, and either they reach a point they start listening or they sell it to someone who will.
@@kodyshaw6991 How are we equating having your own opinion on movies and tv shows to willfully ignoring the rise of an oppressive as fuck, totalitarian regime here?
We lost an icon that gave us happy childhood memories to look back on. Rest in Peace James Earl Jones, a true legend who gave life to the greatest cinematic villain in history Darth Vader.
One of the best analogies I ever heard about new people joining long established fandoms was this: imagine you see a bunch of people playing a game that they've been playing for a very long time. You decide that you like the game too and join in. But once you've joined, you decide that all those people who've been playing the game long before you joined, well, they're just playing the game wrong, and now they have to play it your way because it's your game now, and if they don't like your game then they're just the worst types of people imaginable, and they should just leave your game.
I hope that Disney stops hiring directors that have a pet project story to tell that has nothing to do with Star Wars cannon, and then shoehorns their story into a Star Wars theme, expecting the fans to want to watch it. After a while, fans become cautious when they keep doing this over and over while destroying any resemblance to the stories and characters fans were coming to see in the first place.
Watching Star Wars for the first time as a kid, the first thing I thought when I heard his voice was that he sounded like Mufasa but scary! Such an iconic villain. RIP legend.
This might have been a nice thing (coming together and such), but when StarWarsTheory has to come out and put the hammer down, you KNOW which side is playing the "shutup!" card. In the last couple of weeks, the demonetization push against several very popular channels (that don't pander to the Disney+ mantra) really brought things to a head. The way this simmers down (mostly) is in TELLING A GOOD STORY without mixing modern-day political crap into what shouldn't be there. The Acolyte has shown definitively that the side pushing the censorship of other channels is a small crowd of 'squeaky wheels'.
Wdym telling a good story with our political messaging, isn't that what star wars is? To fans of the Acolyte they feel it is a good story. For us fans who don't like it, it's not. OT fans said Senate meetings and trade embargoes in the PT was too much politics to be "real star wars". Even a new hope is political.
@@TheDCbizThere are different kinds of political messaging in media. Having characters with opinions speak those opinions is not necessarily political. Having characters operate in a fantasy world according to real world opinions as though they are facts, is VERY political.
@@Giraffasaur wdym could you give an example please that is related to star wars. For example is the way Leia speaks to Han and Luke political? Her dialogue of how it took them long enough and her general attitude of lack of appreciation?
@@TheDCbiz sure! A simple example would be rewriting established lore to change the nature of a character's mindset or purpose, to give them the appearance of modern day social constructs. Luke Skywalker in Episode 4-6 has a very specific purpose to understand and hold to truth and virtue to become a Jedi Knight, whereas in Episode 7-9 virtue and truth were stripped away so that he wouldn't be better than a female protagonist in a feminist agenda film rebooting a franchise to make money, instead of delivering powerful storytelling and honoring the established tens of years of world building and character progression made prior.
There’s a piece of politics that has made it into the fandom that never belonged in Star Wars: extreme tribalism. It’s by far the most toxic thing that can ever exist in any society, and it brings me great pain to see it plague a franchise I love so dearly.
If you love something, let it go. If it comes back to you, it loves you back. If not, you must move on. There are some bits that I can still look forward to like Andor, but I will never again just assume it will be something I will like just because it is "Star Wars".
I am a Black man. My father marched with Dr King Jr. I have elder family members that lived to vote for Obama but didn't live to see his innogeration. understand the importance of representation. However, I refuse to watch the upcoming Snow White movie in a theater. I might not even watch it on Disney Plus. It is absurd that a woman of color is Snow White and seven real world Little People (and additional stunt people) weren't cast because Peter Dinklage's INCORRECTLY criticized the classic film. (Why not hire an albino gal to play Snow if the company wants to be representative?) Sometimes gender swapping, race switching, and sexuality flipping can make a franchise better. I am accustomed to Nick Fury being Black, despite my mother's huge collection of original Howling Commandos in our attic. On the flip side, it was stupid for the Secret Wars streaming series to compare the Skrulls to racial prosecution as well as Fury and *War Machine* debating who owes what because he's Black. Updating our media as society progresses is inevitable. James Bond doesn't slap women anymore? Fine. No crows in the live-action Dumbo movie? Fine. Namor is from South America and has the traditional weakness of Aquaman? Fine. Mute characters when they say"Indians" for the broadcasts of Back To The Future Part 3 on television? I think that is stupid, but... fine. 🤷 However, the cultural changes to a franchise purely to score DEI-du-decade brownie points? You're just asking for trouble.
Its simple. Disney need to publically apologise to the fans and make everything they have created non canon. Them we can start again. Then ... maybe it will end.
@@thunderfreeze1544but how will that make any of this better? That'd be like if George said sorry OT fans, the prequels aren't canon. Prequel fans would rightfully get upset. Sequel fans will be upset.
It’s Lucasfilm’s fault, this rift. They pit people against each other. I actually think the fandom is more united than it has been in a long time. More and more people are seeing the couple at Explained for their true colours, and outside of a handful of wannabe access media-esque YT channels and a small minority that is very vocal, it seems most fans are on the same page. As for the “drama” itself, this is what I’ve observed. One side has criticized Star Wars shows they don’t like. They often do it loudly, they do it in a humours and sometime crass manner. The other side wants to remove the first side’s ability to make a living by demonetizing them. Essentially, one side attacks content, the other side attacks people. I don’t see an equivalency there. You can not like Theory, Nerdrotic, G&G and RK Outpost, you can disagree with them vehemently, and still believe they have the right to express their passion however they see fit ( so long as they’re not breaking TOS, which it seems they’re not). Ironically, the only ones here that broke TOS is those participating in the “coordinated mass harassment campaign”.
Gary and Ryan are part of the problem for SW based on their grift. Not to mention they don’t really like Star Wars as a franchise, they only like the idea of it.
@@achaudhari101 the fact that you think Ryan isn’t a fan tells me all I need to know about your level of information on the situation. What you mean is you don’t like how he expresses his passion. Which is fine, you’re allowed to not like it. We all go on with our day.
@@YegRon He’s not objective with a lot of the stuff in Star Wars and he’s biased with the EU. Plus his hatred towards Filoni comes off as petulant. The fact you got triggered over my criticism of Ryan shows you’re not good for this franchise.
But how do we respect each other's opinions. Some star wars fans feel other Star wars fans are shills who are paid by Disney to promote any bad stuff they release and that people making star wars are trans communists who want to brain wash them and destroy all they loved about star wars order 66 style Meanwhile some fans believe that other fans are third Riche klansmen who want to strap women fans into slave bikinis like Leia and force them to watch toxic masculinity like clock work orange while building death stars to destroy all the gay fans. When fans believe other fans are destroying the fandom how can there be any respect?
I’d argue that doesn’t extend to misinformation or personal harassment of actors. But even then, responses need to be in good faith and not attacking character
Yes, online was good, social media is bad. Somewhere between 2005 (after Revenge of the Sith) and 2010, or maybe 2012, somewhere in the range, it all went wrong. We entered the wrong timeline.
@@achaudhari101 I wish it were that easy. They would also have to retcon all the crap they produced, so that I could take that universe somewhat serious again.
Also, I must say: While there might be a cycle between companies and fans, the ones who must take responsibility is the company. While the customer is not always right, we are not obligated to support them or even be polite. The company wants money so they are obligated to be the responsible one in the relationship. Not just mindlessly taking the customer's garbage, but acting like a DAMNED ADULT! Something they seem to be unable to do these days.
@@TheDCbiz You're kind of missing my point. It doesn't really matter what is or isn't acceptable from the fans, because you can't stop them. It's the obligation of the company to not respond in a way that makes the situation worse, because ultimately, THEY are the ones with a real stake in this. Not the fans.
@@WildZephyr please help me understand your point then, I don't want to miss your point. For example what should Have Lucas done when Ahmed Best, the actor who played Jar Jar, done when the actor aka employee receives hate that leads him to have thoughts of self harm? What should Lucasfilm in that situation do?
@@TheDCbiz Probably give anything genuinely threatening to the cops, otherwise ignore it. Sure as hell not go on social media and call the entire fan base bigots. If you can't see that doing so makes everything worse, you clearly have a political agenda. And that is bad for business.
@@TheDCbizFirst off, 95% of said death threats are made up BS. It is a rather good deflection tactic, and your just HAVE to believe they were real. No proof necessary, all actress no. 57 has to do is say these words, and any criticism about her role is invalid.
Andor is the foil to any claims that a lack of viewership was related to some sort of “aversion to diversity”. Andor in general had the largest uphill battle for success with its premise while The Acolyte had a premise that, if the story was done properly, had the potential to be a huge success with fans. Tangential counter examples include The Last of Us and The Boys, the latter of which is the most on-the-nose politically anti-right show I’ve ever seen yet manages to still bring in insane viewership because the show is good. It’s somehow become rocket science that a well written, well acted, well directed story trumps all, and this playbook of poor excuses for lackluster products is becoming ineffective. Do better Disney. Have your creative team prioritize story first. If their world views and experiences are too limited and that’s found to be causing issues, then THAT’S the diversity that you need to work on addressing rather than superficial characteristics and personal life choices being the barometer you’re using to hire or promote people.
Disney Star Wars' biggest issue is that they must polish up their scripts before filming. In interviews Headland talks about changing up the script as they are filming. Rian Johnson was filming episode 8 as episode 7 was being wrapped and he and Abrams wrote their scripts almost independently of one another. Lucasfilm needs to have a polished script ready to go and stick to it. Not only would that provide a cohesive vision for the project, but it should drive down costs because they don't have to do as much post-work.
@@TheDCbiz Yeah, all of Hollywood is in the same boat, it's because it's not being run by Visionairies, it's run by Venture Capitalists who only want to see Line Go Up.
As a fanbase the first step of recovery is accepting reponsibility fans of the show aren’t going to listen or try to understand if they are constantly told ‘the show is bad’ or that they “need a reality check” for understanably being upset that the show got cancelled people have fallen so down the “make the snowflakes cry” mentally that they cant accept when they’re wrong nor find common ground simply by saying “we’re in the wrong for getting the show cancelled, how can we go forward as a fanbase” will make heaps more progress than blaming disney on everything
Absolutely, though I could imagine, if Disney would sell Lucasfilm and all the Disney stuff gets retconned, there might be a chance. But I find that extremely unlikely.
Personally to end this strife is simply for Disney to stop making Star Wars content, that is sad to say, but I already have plenty of Star Wars content to be happy from the EU and the 6 movies. I prefer they just stop instead of causing more harm
It's really sad that it's come to this, but I don't think the fandom can even think about reconciling and coming together so long as the current regime remains in power. Until Kathleen Kennedy leaves, most people just aren't coming back. I personally will definitely tune in for Andor Season 2, but nothing else.
This ends when studio heads and CEOs stop being political, and companies stop lying to shareholders about their overproduced failures. Listen to the audience. Stop pandering to special interests. Hire people who actually care about the franchises you want to make money.
As an old timer, i feel like diversity was never an issue in SW and still isn't. The current issue is that they care more about a specific message than they do about telling a good story- and you can even see this in how they handled the OT characters in the ST. Han became a deadbeat dad for... reasons? Luke - the man who brought Vader back from the dark side - suddenly gave up on hope and tried to kill his nephew for having a bad dream? Really? This is garbage storytelling plain and simple... So when "a message" gets added to a weak story, it looks like the only goal is to push the message and the movie is just the platform to do so. Make good movies with good stories, and people will pay to see them. It's that simple.
James Earl Jones' voice of Darth Vader 'is' the Sith. No other actor/character/voice has come close. But my favourite film he was in is 1990's 'By Dawn's Early Light'. He played the character Alice (you have to watch it to understand the context)... "Will somebody give me a cigarette" "A REAL CIGARETTE" "Sir, non filter, sir" "God bless you Mary" The best movie scene ever... God bless you James Earl Jones, RIP...
I saw a New Hope in 1977. When a content creator leads off with thumbnails, Woke Woke, or talks about gender, or insults an actor for taking a job and reading the script. The message gets lost. I thought the Acolyte was mediocre, but so what. I moved on. Disney should suspend all SW content for 10 years. That will end this round of drama. Good video. Keep it up.
Simple, make Andor and Rogue One quality movies (both having exceptionally diverse casts if you want to try and go that route with the blame game) and keep doing it over and over. Go back to adding the lived in , film grain cinematics of the original trilogy and stop with the Netflix “every thing is brand new off the rack” approach. Again, Rogue One and to a slightly lesser degree Andor did this exceptionally well Basically hire Tony Gilroy to helm Lucasfilms
You've got some influencers trying to cancel other influencers because they criticized a TV show. That's nuts. It is VERY clear which side is in the wrong.
I don’t know why this is such a hard concept for people. It’s possible for a show to be bad with it having nothing to do with the sexual orientation or race of the actors. It’s just a bad show
@@StraightOtohGunga exactly I always direct people to look at Andor, had plenty of diversity and queer characters done pretty well and just the overall writing/directing was top notch. The problem comes when they are so focused on that they forget (unintentionally or intentionally) that there should be an actual story behind it
Totally agree with Thor. The fear of one extreme often pushes people to embrace the opposite extreme, which ultimately makes things worse for everyone. If you embrace bad behavior, the dark side, in order to “win” or stick it to your enemies, you ultimately lost. If you have to sacrifice your principles and values to win an argument, what have you really gained? You lost yourself along the way. Stand by your principles, show respect to your perceived enemies and you have a chance to change their mind or at least to soften their opposition against you. They can’t take your integrity from you unless you give it away.
You don´t have a chance to change the mind of high-tier narcissists. 30+ years ago the new govertment of my country (Czechia, Czechoslovakia back then) didn´t ban the communistic party after the so-called velvet revolution because they wanted to be better and more reasonable then them. The result is these commies have been screwing the whole country until this day. Some of them even go so far to deny their "camps where peple were taught to concentrate" ever existed and executions of political opponents ever happened.
This also doesn’t help when some TH-cam have seemingly sold their integrity to oppose the fans and fellow TH-camrs that are opposed to Disney Star Wars. Take for example the recent civil war Star Wars explained (and company) calling for the demonetization for several TH-camrs that were against the acolyte
RIP James Earl Jones and Thank You The only thing that will fix the fandom is for Disney to fire Bob Iger and Kathleen Kennedy and retcon their trilogy and make Lucas’ trilogy. Anything less would be a waste of time.
It's frustrating that a lot of people will disagree because "politics have always been in Star Wars" Geo-politics? Of course. Gender politics, not so much.
One of the issues of listening to the other side is that the critical constructivists aka intersectional Marxists aka people who are woke care more about their political activism than storytelling and will use any manipulation of language to get their way. People like Leslye headland don't care if the company makes money. Luckily some higher ups at Disney still care about making money but there are obviously some people in influential positions who don't, or it is at least secondary. For people who are woke if a company or hobby or intellectual property can be dialectically synthesized it's a win for them. If it can't then they can have a sour grapes attitude about it and say that it deserves to fail because it's racist/sexist/etc. Instead of it being " if I can't have you no one can. " it's " if I can't use this to change the socio-politcal system that is the dominant force of the western world it deserves to not exist." People who are woke are eerily similar to the sith. Not because they can use the force or because they have red lightsabers but because they are obsessed with power.
@@TheDCbizthey’re not fans. Fans love Star Wars for what it is. The people he’s talking about are trying to fundamentally change the series to be something different that they can use to further their political beliefs.
I feel like this got recorded before the entire fandom and youtube channels went into full-blown war, taking sides and outright showing how they think.
I think it’s with not viewing or paying, yeah. I watched all of the Acolyte. I heard it was bad and still watched just because it’s Star Wars and I feel I want to know all the tidbits. I actually don’t think they’ll lose a majority if old school fans . It’s the general audience that won’t ever want to tune in just for a message of inclusion. Even if they love the idea of DEI. It’s like the supporting wnba players get more pay but women still not watching because it’s not fun until Clark came along. Even now that’s men watching. Grown women still mostly don’t support it.
First and foremost. R.I.P James Earl Jones. You were a legend and your teachings will be passed on to many generations to come. I have come into contact with Star Wars fans who love Disney Star Wars because they believe the message being put out there through the shows and movies. Many of them through the mobile game swgoh and to start off they are just regular people and because the best characters in the game are from Disney Star Wars they don’t start hostile. When the subject of Star Wars comes up however they tend to drop or change the subject rather quickly and I would like to add my philosophy is and always will be you like what you like we are all Star Wars fans. So after discovering I’m an old school fan I’m always confused when they stop responding when I have a question about the game. Most old school fans I come across are always open to discussing Star Wars old or new though not always in a positive way. Taking out the trolls and people just looking to be spiteful I don’t feel it’s the old fan base that’s not willing to talk. The new fans on the other hand have been fed lies about how we hate anyone who isn’t us sense the inception of this new era and I feel that has made them unwilling to accept us into their view of what being a Star Wars fan means. These are my experiences and thoughts though perhaps I’m an anomaly
When it comes to Star Wars, I think the fandom only gets better when an empathetic leader is put in place. I think a fan-focused leader at Lucasfilm would need to speak to all fans, and not just pick a side.
Ignore it, them, and they’ll carry on in their own little bubble. Eventually they’ll get bored of not getting the attention they want. All i’ll say is that no matter what your opinion or position on whatever particular issue happens to be, it’s *always* *wrong* to try and “cancel” someone and take away their ability to earn a living doing something they love as long as it’s not against the law.
Step 1: have Disney stop blaming fans and telling everyone that criticising them means you are a racist misogynist bigot and that any negative review is just hateful people reviewbombing. 2: make half decent and up content. Like a cohesive plot, even a bad one, is already a mile above most Disney content. That's it. There were disagreements before, absolutely. But nothing but the hatemill we have today. It's especially problematic that one side hates the content put out and criticises it, and the other side hates the people criticises it and personally attacks them rather than defend the content but still claim to be morally superior.
I hope you get better fast Thor. RIP James Earl Jones the legend. Personally to end this strife is simply for Disney to stop making Star Wars content, that is sad to say, but I already have plenty of Star Wars content to be happy, from the EU and the 6 movies. I prefer they just stop instead of causing more harm.
The fan wars have always been a thing, and will always be a thing. I can't think of a single big "fandom" that doesn't have them. Right now Disney is "to blame". Before that Lucas was "to blame" for ruining people's childhoods by daring to add or change scenes in the holy movies. And then there were and probably still are people who detested the prequels, who consider them to be "not Star Wars" or not Star Warsy enough. Anything that is popular has its internal strife. Whenever Disney sells the franchise there will be some people out there who think the Disney Era was the golden age and whatever comes after isn't "their Star Wars."
Do you guys remember the 1990s & the early 2k, when people with new ideas would make new franchises? Hollywood wanted a grittier, modern-looking spy movie with fist fighting. They didn't change 007, they created Jack Reacher, The Bourne Identity & other franchises that filled this niche they wanted. The problem today is that studios are pushing new concepts into old franchises. Now, did Headland want to direct a Star Wars story or was she pushed into fitting her idea in the SW mold? We know that Ryan Johnson didn't even like SW, but KK wanted him to direct a SW film within the new SW Trilogy, and we all know how it went.
Headland wanted to write a Star Wars story, it was the Venture Capitalists at upper management who stifled her ideas, the original intent of the show, is not what we got.
In the grim, darkness of our foreseeable future… There is only war Forget the legends of our past, for so much has been forsaken, never to be relearned; forget the promise of unity and community, there will be no peace among the Stars.
Oh no no, that's not the way to be. Have you learned nothing from Star Wars? I recommend reading this book, How The Force Can Fix The World, or watching a TH-cam channel run by Geeky Stoics. Thor, of course, is the OG Jedi of Star Wars, understanding that we must follow the will of the Force, not try to control it. Let me quote from How the Force Can Fix the World, for I hope these words will inspire you to keep a positive mindset. "I have considered myself a conservative..... To me that has always meant that the knowledge and ways of living that came before my time have inherent value... Tradition only matters if you share it. Truth is only truth is if it's unchanging. New doctrines, new scriptures, and new films cannot destroy what is already safe within... "The force can only fix the world if you let it shape your individual actions first. "The Force can only fix the world if you let itsl shape your individual actions first. If Star wars exists to fans as nothing more than sacred texts or as a nostalgic itch in need of good scratch well... Then they're just movies. But if you see Star wars and the way its characters act, the choices they make, and the destinies they fulfill as being good, then stop passing the buck in terms of responsibility for your feelings. They will--and are probably already--betraying you. "Pass on what you've learned. Take responsibility. Stand up against the dark, but never at the cost of setting foot in the darkness yourself." "Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny consume you it will."-- Master Yoda I've been in a pit of despair over the past year because I've been so ill and I've let my sickness control my moods, and have let resentments control my thoughts. I'm done with that because the time I have left on Earth is short. I don't have time to be miserable. If I am to live I am going to walk in the way of the light for as long as there is Spirit in me.
James Earl Jones certainly was a legend. His performances were always good in what little I’ve seen of him besides Star Wars; those being Lion King, Dr. Strangelove, and Hunt For Red October. Though his performance in Empire Strikes Back is my favorite. As for the issue of the fandom, I don’t see it getting better anytime soon. With the recent stuff that’s started to happen regarding purposefully trying to get channels demonetized or even deplatformed, it’s only going to get worse. The problem is that we’ve turned entertainment and the way we engage with it into something we tie to someone’s’ morality and character. Admittedly I may have some questions if someone absolutely loves The Acolyte (or people who are truly anti-Jedi/Light side and mean it unironically), but I wouldn’t get too deep into it. But the things that have happened with Star Wars Explained, Kyle Katarn, and whatever other creators would be lumped in that group has come across as foolish at best, and hypocritical and malicious at worst. And when channels like The Critical Drinker, Nerdrotic, StarWarsTheory, or Film Threat end up reviewing something and I agree after watching it for myself, or when they’re commenting on entertainment as a whole and are proven right, then why would I trust people like Star Wars Explained? And if agreeing them makes me a “hater”, -ist, phobe, or whatever else, than so be it. Those words have been so diluted that you may as well be saying I’m tall and have brown hair. People need to stop at believing their opponent is a horrible villain rather than discuss the issue at hand.
RIP JEJ. He'll always be Admiral Greer (from Clear and Present Danger and Patriot Games) to me no matter how many other Jack Ryan universe shows come out.
To end fan wars: 1. Don't reward darkness. If you elevate the Sith, you draw a fan base that acts like Sith and not Jedi. 2. Accept that art is subjective and you'll never make everyone 100% happy and that's okay. Part of why fiction exists is to spark conversations and even debates. 3. Understand your brand, and put effort into understanding why Star Wars resonated in the first place. Lot of super fans are highly educated with a genuine love of film and storytelling and yes, that makes us harder to please, but you'll get more return from doing one project really well than phoning in a lot of forgettable content. On the fan side, it's more about remembering how to respectfully debate. It's *okay* to have different opinions about media and exchange ideas. Do not assume things about someone's character or intellect because they like or dislike something. Let them tell you their reasons, don't assume them. Embrace nuance. It's also okay to enjoy things that aren't well made or not enjoy things that are. I've watched Hand of Manos without the bots and the sequel and the puppet show... I can simultaneously enjoy that and admit it's a terrible movie. There's also well made movies that I can't stand for personal reasons. Good films can have flaws. Bad films can have good moments or good actors. It's all part of the discussion. And you can apply some of this to real world politics. Dem/Rep or Liberal/Conservative are false binaries. It's okay to argue and care deeply about things. But arguments are more productive when we use them to deepen understanding of an issue and not just try to shout each other down.
When hearing about James Earl Jones death I immediately went to watch some of the bts voice recordings for the Lion King and wow Disney back then were really at the top of their game. From Jeremy Irons to Rowan Atkinson the talent was truly top notch and almost everything Disney released was excellent. To see how far they’ve fallen in terms of the quality of their output is truly remarkable.
RIP James Earl Jones I just read the EU and watch DVDs. There's nothing in the Disney lineups that I can't miss. I enjoyed Andor but that's one thing in 12 years.
I've said it before and will say it again... Thor is the Bendu- the one in the middle. Thanks for that. A voice of reason. And RIP Lord Vader. Thanks for the lifetime of memories. 😢
I believe voting with your wallet is 100% the way to do it. This online bickering is stupid. And it doesn’t work. If anything. It just builds the divide. Were at a point now you can’t say you dislike something without being a “phobe”. Or “you’re not a REAL Star Wars fan”. I’ve said this many times : Star Wars NEEDS a librarian like Marvel does. Someone who KNOWS the stories inside and out. And lucasfilms non stop picking and choosing from Cannon, and then saying “oh we aren’t doing Cannon”. Isn’t helping. This has to stop. They must pull a full 180. Start listening to the majority of what the fans would like. This change is IMPOSSIBLE with who is in charge now. Kathleen Kennedy should step down with grace. And I would hope Filoni leaves with her. (I know. That’s blasphemy. But look at his record for the last 2-3 years. He’s lost his way). Ashoka as a whole wasn’t very good. It was Ok. But not great. A small character, Baylon with BARELY, IDK. Way 25 minutes of total screen time through the entire series was more interesting than the main character. That’s a fail to me. Is it because he was a man? Is it because he was from a time that most fans want more or ? (After Order 66??). Idk. I’d love to see a more adult oriented series where Darth Vader hunts Jedi’s on the lamb. And the conflict between he and the Emperor. How Palpatine is always treating him poorly.
I can't post links in a comment, but the animation channel "Kurzgesagt - In a Nutshell" has addressed the problem of modern factionalism due to social media in a really innovative way. The video is called "The Internet is Worse Than Ever - Now What?" I found it really insightful and surprisingly hopeful for our future.
Then making an “undeniably great movie” does nothing at all to fix the ACTUAL problem with them. The fandom was lost in 2014 right off the bat when they “cancelled” and destroyed the ENTIRE universe of nearly 40 years, and said none of THAT exists only what WE make from here on out exists. They lost 90% of the fandom from that very first incompetent decision. Right from the start.
Topic 1: May Mr. Jones rest in peace. Topic 2: I gave up on Star Wars before the Acolyte (the premise/promo before release just didn’t grab my interest.) and now I’m onto watching all of old Star Trek (TOS,TNG,DS9, Voyager) along with SNW as it’s airing because it’s definitely revitalizing Star Trek and I think actually listening to it’s fan base unlike Disney.
...when i heard the news that James Earl Jones had become one with The Force, one of my first thoughts was: Thor Skywalker is the Only Jedi that can give Darth Vader a Proper Send-Off... ...i spent most of the day wondering what would be said about this Legendary Actor... ...i would not have guessed those words could be condensed into 38 seconds... ...please tell me you have more on deck for us...? ...get well soon... 👽 🖖 🤖 ...i forgot what the question was.
Farewell to Mr James Earl Jones. May his light shine on in the Stars like Mufasa. May you be at peace in the eternal Force, like Anakin Skywalker. (There was never any Darth Vader. It was always Anakin). Thank you for gracing us with your Grace.
I've been a fan of Star Wars since around the early 90s or so and over the past 5 years I've been getting into the EU, now known as Legends, whereas before I never paid much attention to it. I tried liking the Acolyte, but once it was finished, I couldn't excuse the bullshit plot holes anymore. If people like the show for whatever reason, that's fine, I Have no issue with that. I take no pleasure in the show being cancelled, but at the same time, it was a business decision. The show wasn't profitable. Anyone who can't see that is willfully ignorant. If the creators and fans of the Acolyte want to fund a second season with their own money to finish the story, and if Disney is okay with that and with having it on their streaming service, then all involved in such an endeavor have the right to do so. Not saying I'd watch it, but they can do that if they want to, which would probably be far more productive than calling everyone who has any kind of problem with the Acolyte a racist sexist bigot. That said, I am thinking of cancelling my Disney+ subscription for a number of reasons (quality of shows, terms saying you can't sue them no matter what the situation, etc., their complete and utter hypocrisy when it comes to racial issues), and the only reason I can think of for keeping it is for Andor season 2 and X-Men 97 season 2.
RIP James Earl Jones!
R.I.P. Indeed.
RIP JEJ.
RIP Darth Vader and Mufasa. I remember seeing James in Big Bang Theory, playing pranks on Carrie Fisher. “It’s not funny James!” “Then why am I laughing Carrie?” 😂
Apparently Carrie Fisher and James Earl Jones never met before that episode. So when they were in the same room Carrie hugged him while saying “daddy!”
He is one with the force.
Rest in Power James Earl Jones.
God!! I love that episode! "Well, your friend Leonard sounds like a real weenie!"
James Earl Jones has become one with the force. Rest in Peace Lord Vader.
In the Force, luminous beings are we. Not this crude matter! -Yoda
I think Disney is most at fault here. They’ve cultivated this culture and have literally taken one side. I hope things start to change.
It’s not about taking one side or the other. It’s just really about having real terrible storytelling overall.
Fuck Star Wars
I am done
Good bye Star Wars
Personally to end this strife is simply for Disney to stop making Star Wars content, that is sad to say, but I already have plenty of Star Wars content to be happy from the EU and the 6 movies. I prefer they just stop instead of causing more harm
@@ChosenOne-il4bmI hope you do more than just say it just like all the super Progressive people protesting outside the DNC I hope they actually mean what they say and aren't going to vote for Kamala Harris
@AndreNitroX No. That’s never going to happen and it comes off as having a stinking attitude.
I think we should start by not trying to demonetize those who don't agree with us
Why?
There’s a line between disagreement and hate. A very small amount of the “fans” will just say extremely homophobic things
@@officialmonarchmusic homophobic? I don't think anyone is scared of gays. Not wanting that crap in starwars and calling out the pandering to the idiotic leftist ideology that Disney is constantly doing is an OPINION. And everyone should have the right to say it without fearing for their livelihood.
@@officialmonarchmusic how do you know it's a very small amount?
@@TheDCbizI don’t. I’m making a very educated guess that the majority of the fandom are not bigots
Thank you Thor for being the subtle and neutral voice of reason in the Star wars YT community.
~RIP James Earl Jones~
The first step in recovery is admitting you have a problem, We can't move forward with this entity in power, they don't see a problem, so no it will Never happen!
We need to keep moving forward, Disney won't listen yet, but as they lose money they eventually will have to acknowledge it, and either they reach a point they start listening or they sell it to someone who will.
Never is a long time. Things will change eventually. They always do.
This so called entity will not always remain in power. Things always change.
For me there's no war: I like what I like, I dislike what I dislike, regardless others opinion. So I'm at peace.
Extremists (of all sides): Peace is a lie!
That's a nice sentiment, but wasn't that Jyn Ersos original stand point in Rogue One?
"It's not a problem if I don't look up"
@@kodyshaw6991 How are we equating having your own opinion on movies and tv shows to willfully ignoring the rise of an oppressive as fuck, totalitarian regime here?
@@kodyshaw6991 Oh damn!
...in ba sing se.
We lost an icon that gave us happy childhood memories to look back on. Rest in Peace James Earl Jones, a true legend who gave life to the greatest cinematic villain in history Darth Vader.
One of the best analogies I ever heard about new people joining long established fandoms was this: imagine you see a bunch of people playing a game that they've been playing for a very long time. You decide that you like the game too and join in. But once you've joined, you decide that all those people who've been playing the game long before you joined, well, they're just playing the game wrong, and now they have to play it your way because it's your game now, and if they don't like your game then they're just the worst types of people imaginable, and they should just leave your game.
I hope that Disney stops hiring directors that have a pet project story to tell that has nothing to do with Star Wars cannon, and then shoehorns their story into a Star Wars theme, expecting the fans to want to watch it. After a while, fans become cautious when they keep doing this over and over while destroying any resemblance to the stories and characters fans were coming to see in the first place.
Watching Star Wars for the first time as a kid, the first thing I thought when I heard his voice was that he sounded like Mufasa but scary! Such an iconic villain. RIP legend.
I put the war behind me, I left Star Wars, I have what’s canon to me and that’s all that matters.
Rip James Earl Jones: From Star Wars to Conan to The Sandlot to the Lion King and many more. (1931-2024)
This might have been a nice thing (coming together and such), but when StarWarsTheory has to come out and put the hammer down, you KNOW which side is playing the "shutup!" card.
In the last couple of weeks, the demonetization push against several very popular channels (that don't pander to the Disney+ mantra) really brought things to a head.
The way this simmers down (mostly) is in TELLING A GOOD STORY without mixing modern-day political crap into what shouldn't be there.
The Acolyte has shown definitively that the side pushing the censorship of other channels is a small crowd of 'squeaky wheels'.
Wdym telling a good story with our political messaging, isn't that what star wars is? To fans of the Acolyte they feel it is a good story. For us fans who don't like it, it's not. OT fans said Senate meetings and trade embargoes in the PT was too much politics to be "real star wars". Even a new hope is political.
@@TheDCbizThere are different kinds of political messaging in media. Having characters with opinions speak those opinions is not necessarily political. Having characters operate in a fantasy world according to real world opinions as though they are facts, is VERY political.
@@GiraffasaurReal world opinions as though they are facts like…
@@Giraffasaur wdym could you give an example please that is related to star wars. For example is the way Leia speaks to Han and Luke political? Her dialogue of how it took them long enough and her general attitude of lack of appreciation?
@@TheDCbiz sure! A simple example would be rewriting established lore to change the nature of a character's mindset or purpose, to give them the appearance of modern day social constructs. Luke Skywalker in Episode 4-6 has a very specific purpose to understand and hold to truth and virtue to become a Jedi Knight, whereas in Episode 7-9 virtue and truth were stripped away so that he wouldn't be better than a female protagonist in a feminist agenda film rebooting a franchise to make money, instead of delivering powerful storytelling and honoring the established tens of years of world building and character progression made prior.
There’s a piece of politics that has made it into the fandom that never belonged in Star Wars: extreme tribalism. It’s by far the most toxic thing that can ever exist in any society, and it brings me great pain to see it plague a franchise I love so dearly.
If you love something, let it go. If it comes back to you, it loves you back. If not, you must move on. There are some bits that I can still look forward to like Andor, but I will never again just assume it will be something I will like just because it is "Star Wars".
You encapsulated how I feel. 30 year fan here
@@thehikingcucumber3410 I'm with ya as an OG fan. I saw A New Hope in the theatre when it came out (12 times 😉😉)
I am a Black man. My father marched with Dr King Jr. I have elder family members that lived to vote for Obama but didn't live to see his innogeration.
understand the importance of representation.
However, I refuse to watch the upcoming Snow White movie in a theater. I might not even watch it on Disney Plus.
It is absurd that a woman of color is Snow White and seven real world Little People (and additional stunt people) weren't cast because Peter Dinklage's INCORRECTLY criticized the classic film. (Why not hire an albino gal to play Snow if the company wants to be representative?)
Sometimes gender swapping, race switching, and sexuality flipping can make a franchise better. I am accustomed to Nick Fury being Black, despite my mother's huge collection of original Howling Commandos in our attic. On the flip side, it was stupid for the Secret Wars streaming series to compare the Skrulls to racial prosecution as well as Fury and *War Machine* debating who owes what because he's Black.
Updating our media as society progresses is inevitable. James Bond doesn't slap women anymore? Fine. No crows in the live-action Dumbo movie? Fine. Namor is from South America and has the traditional weakness of Aquaman? Fine. Mute characters when they say"Indians" for the broadcasts of Back To The Future Part 3 on television? I think that is stupid, but... fine. 🤷
However, the cultural changes to a franchise purely to score DEI-du-decade brownie points? You're just asking for trouble.
Its simple. Disney need to publically apologise to the fans and make everything they have created non canon. Them we can start again. Then ... maybe it will end.
Not the latter half.
Not everything they’ve made is bad: Clone Wars, Andor, and the Jedi games are all phenomenal. They should retcon the sequels though
@@thunderfreeze1544but how will that make any of this better? That'd be like if George said sorry OT fans, the prequels aren't canon. Prequel fans would rightfully get upset. Sequel fans will be upset.
How is that simple? That sounds more like Anakin at the end of revenge of the sith wiping out the separatists and younglings
@@thunderfreeze1544clone wars was not disney. Dont lump that in with their trash.
It’s Lucasfilm’s fault, this rift. They pit people against each other.
I actually think the fandom is more united than it has been in a long time. More and more people are seeing the couple at Explained for their true colours, and outside of a handful of wannabe access media-esque YT channels and a small minority that is very vocal, it seems most fans are on the same page.
As for the “drama” itself, this is what I’ve observed. One side has criticized Star Wars shows they don’t like. They often do it loudly, they do it in a humours and sometime crass manner. The other side wants to remove the first side’s ability to make a living by demonetizing them. Essentially, one side attacks content, the other side attacks people. I don’t see an equivalency there. You can not like Theory, Nerdrotic, G&G and RK Outpost, you can disagree with them vehemently, and still believe they have the right to express their passion however they see fit ( so long as they’re not breaking TOS, which it seems they’re not).
Ironically, the only ones here that broke TOS is those participating in the “coordinated mass harassment campaign”.
Gary and Ryan are part of the problem for SW based on their grift. Not to mention they don’t really like Star Wars as a franchise, they only like the idea of it.
@@achaudhari101 the fact that you think Ryan isn’t a fan tells me all I need to know about your level of information on the situation.
What you mean is you don’t like how he expresses his passion. Which is fine, you’re allowed to not like it. We all go on with our day.
@@achaudhari101nah it seems YOU are part of the problem. Spreading false narratives to push your agenda…honestly it’s pathetic.
@@YegRon He’s not objective with a lot of the stuff in Star Wars and he’s biased with the EU. Plus his hatred towards Filoni comes off as petulant. The fact you got triggered over my criticism of Ryan shows you’re not good for this franchise.
@@achaudhari101 as a petulant child, I suppose you would recognize another one, so maybe you have a point there.
By respecting opinions (even negative opinions) without calling them names or trying to cancel them.
Incredible how revolutionary this sounds in 2024!
Someone should tell @starwarsexplained this
But how do we respect each other's opinions. Some star wars fans feel other Star wars fans are shills who are paid by Disney to promote any bad stuff they release and that people making star wars are trans communists who want to brain wash them and destroy all they loved about star wars order 66 style
Meanwhile some fans believe that other fans are third Riche klansmen who want to strap women fans into slave bikinis like Leia and force them to watch toxic masculinity like clock work orange while building death stars to destroy all the gay fans.
When fans believe other fans are destroying the fandom how can there be any respect?
@@BibFortunasBarberdidn't some star wars fans call him a shills for years? How is that respectful?
I’d argue that doesn’t extend to misinformation or personal harassment of actors. But even then, responses need to be in good faith and not attacking character
Idk. Maybe Explained can explain it. Mollie?
Nice one. 😂
I don't understand
@@kodyshaw6991a ultra positivity Star Wars channel was trying to get Star Wars Theory kicked off TH-cam for his take on The Acolyte
First RIP James Earl Jones,
Second, Social media was a mistake... That is what it boils down too.
I'm beginning to think that the internet itself may have been a mistake.
@@zufalllx 100 percent.
@@zufalllxWouldn't go as far as the internet, but social media and especially large open platforms are a plague.
That comfortable distance? Like how rude people are when they're driving, and say or do stuff they would never, face to face.
Yes, online was good, social media is bad. Somewhere between 2005 (after Revenge of the Sith) and 2010, or maybe 2012, somewhere in the range, it all went wrong. We entered the wrong timeline.
Definitely no chance as long as Disney has the rights to it.
Not true. Kennedy just needs to go.
@@achaudhari101 I wish it were that easy. They would also have to retcon all the crap they produced, so that I could take that universe somewhat serious again.
But it started under Lucas?
@@Lt_Rikwouldn't that just escalate?
@@TheDCbizIf the majority of fans don’t like it, No. We really need Lucas’ sequel trilogy to fix what Disney broke.
Rest in peace, James Earl Jones. Be at peace with the Lord.
Also, I must say: While there might be a cycle between companies and fans, the ones who must take responsibility is the company. While the customer is not always right, we are not obligated to support them or even be polite. The company wants money so they are obligated to be the responsible one in the relationship. Not just mindlessly taking the customer's garbage, but acting like a DAMNED ADULT! Something they seem to be unable to do these days.
Fans don't have to be polite? What behavior from fans is acceptable or not? Is sending death threats okay?
@@TheDCbiz You're kind of missing my point. It doesn't really matter what is or isn't acceptable from the fans, because you can't stop them. It's the obligation of the company to not respond in a way that makes the situation worse, because ultimately, THEY are the ones with a real stake in this. Not the fans.
@@WildZephyr please help me understand your point then, I don't want to miss your point. For example what should Have Lucas done when Ahmed Best, the actor who played Jar Jar, done when the actor aka employee receives hate that leads him to have thoughts of self harm? What should Lucasfilm in that situation do?
@@TheDCbiz Probably give anything genuinely threatening to the cops, otherwise ignore it. Sure as hell not go on social media and call the entire fan base bigots. If you can't see that doing so makes everything worse, you clearly have a political agenda. And that is bad for business.
@@TheDCbizFirst off, 95% of said death threats are made up BS. It is a rather good deflection tactic, and your just HAVE to believe they were real. No proof necessary, all actress no. 57 has to do is say these words, and any criticism about her role is invalid.
Andor is the foil to any claims that a lack of viewership was related to some sort of “aversion to diversity”. Andor in general had the largest uphill battle for success with its premise while The Acolyte had a premise that, if the story was done properly, had the potential to be a huge success with fans. Tangential counter examples include The Last of Us and The Boys, the latter of which is the most on-the-nose politically anti-right show I’ve ever seen yet manages to still bring in insane viewership because the show is good.
It’s somehow become rocket science that a well written, well acted, well directed story trumps all, and this playbook of poor excuses for lackluster products is becoming ineffective.
Do better Disney. Have your creative team prioritize story first. If their world views and experiences are too limited and that’s found to be causing issues, then THAT’S the diversity that you need to work on addressing rather than superficial characteristics and personal life choices being the barometer you’re using to hire or promote people.
I was waiting for this because it’s chaos rn it feels worse then ever after the acolyte.
RIP James Earl Jones.
Get better soon guys
Get well soon Thor.
Disney Star Wars' biggest issue is that they must polish up their scripts before filming. In interviews Headland talks about changing up the script as they are filming. Rian Johnson was filming episode 8 as episode 7 was being wrapped and he and Abrams wrote their scripts almost independently of one another. Lucasfilm needs to have a polished script ready to go and stick to it. Not only would that provide a cohesive vision for the project, but it should drive down costs because they don't have to do as much post-work.
RIP James Earl Jones (1931-2024)
Oh thats easy. Just get it away from Disney. Give Star Wars to literally anyone else.
Who?
@@TheDCbiz Yeah, all of Hollywood is in the same boat, it's because it's not being run by Visionairies, it's run by Venture Capitalists who only want to see Line Go Up.
As a fanbase the first step of recovery is accepting reponsibility
fans of the show aren’t going to listen or try to understand if they are constantly told ‘the show is bad’ or that they “need a reality check” for understanably being upset that the show got cancelled
people have fallen so down the “make the snowflakes cry” mentally that they cant accept when they’re wrong nor find common ground
simply by saying “we’re in the wrong for getting the show cancelled, how can we go forward as a fanbase” will make heaps more progress than blaming disney on everything
he also portrayed "Barney Hill" of Barney and Betty Hill UFO Alien Abduction incident.
Unfortunately, the fan wars will likely never end. Unless the extreme political divide in the real world ends, which I cannot see happening.
Absolutely, though I could imagine, if Disney would sell Lucasfilm and all the Disney stuff gets retconned, there might be a chance.
But I find that extremely unlikely.
Personally to end this strife is simply for Disney to stop making Star Wars content, that is sad to say, but I already have plenty of Star Wars content to be happy from the EU and the 6 movies. I prefer they just stop instead of causing more harm
@@Lt_Rik I completely understand wanting the Disney canon to be retconned, but I could only see that making the fandom even more toxic.
It's really sad that it's come to this, but I don't think the fandom can even think about reconciling and coming together so long as the current regime remains in power. Until Kathleen Kennedy leaves, most people just aren't coming back. I personally will definitely tune in for Andor Season 2, but nothing else.
We lost a legend in Mr Jones. His voice could send chills down your spine. May the force be with you. Mr Jones.
This ends when studio heads and CEOs stop being political, and companies stop lying to shareholders about their overproduced failures.
Listen to the audience. Stop pandering to special interests. Hire people who actually care about the franchises you want to make money.
As an old timer, i feel like diversity was never an issue in SW and still isn't.
The current issue is that they care more about a specific message than they do about telling a good story- and you can even see this in how they handled the OT characters in the ST. Han became a deadbeat dad for... reasons? Luke - the man who brought Vader back from the dark side - suddenly gave up on hope and tried to kill his nephew for having a bad dream? Really? This is garbage storytelling plain and simple...
So when "a message" gets added to a weak story, it looks like the only goal is to push the message and the movie is just the platform to do so.
Make good movies with good stories, and people will pay to see them. It's that simple.
James Earl Jones' voice of Darth Vader 'is' the Sith. No other actor/character/voice has come close.
But my favourite film he was in is 1990's 'By Dawn's Early Light'.
He played the character Alice (you have to watch it to understand the context)...
"Will somebody give me a cigarette"
"A REAL CIGARETTE"
"Sir, non filter, sir"
"God bless you Mary"
The best movie scene ever...
God bless you James Earl Jones, RIP...
Oh, and one more think - hope you’re both feeling better soon!!
I saw a New Hope in 1977. When a content creator leads off with thumbnails, Woke Woke, or talks about gender, or insults an actor for taking a job and reading the script. The message gets lost. I thought the Acolyte was mediocre, but so what. I moved on. Disney should suspend all SW content for 10 years.
That will end this round of drama. Good video. Keep it up.
Simple, make Andor and Rogue One quality movies (both having exceptionally diverse casts if you want to try and go that route with the blame game) and keep doing it over and over.
Go back to adding the lived in , film grain cinematics of the original trilogy and stop with the Netflix “every thing is brand new off the rack” approach. Again, Rogue One and to a slightly lesser degree Andor did this exceptionally well
Basically hire Tony Gilroy to helm Lucasfilms
You've got some influencers trying to cancel other influencers because they criticized a TV show. That's nuts. It is VERY clear which side is in the wrong.
James Earl lived almost a century. I'm so glad he got his legacy. Dude was probably one of the least scummy rich guys.
As a queer SW fan the Acolyte wasn't it
I don’t know why this is such a hard concept for people. It’s possible for a show to be bad with it having nothing to do with the sexual orientation or race of the actors. It’s just a bad show
@@StraightOtohGunga exactly I always direct people to look at Andor, had plenty of diversity and queer characters done pretty well and just the overall writing/directing was top notch. The problem comes when they are so focused on that they forget (unintentionally or intentionally) that there should be an actual story behind it
R.I.P James Earl Jones ❤🙏😇 May the force be with you, always
RIP James Earl Jones. It's a tragedy to lose such an icon.
Totally agree with Thor. The fear of one extreme often pushes people to embrace the opposite extreme, which ultimately makes things worse for everyone.
If you embrace bad behavior, the dark side, in order to “win” or stick it to your enemies, you ultimately lost. If you have to sacrifice your principles and values to win an argument, what have you really gained? You lost yourself along the way.
Stand by your principles, show respect to your perceived enemies and you have a chance to change their mind or at least to soften their opposition against you. They can’t take your integrity from you unless you give it away.
Beautifully stated.
You don´t have a chance to change the mind of high-tier narcissists.
30+ years ago the new govertment of my country (Czechia, Czechoslovakia back then) didn´t ban the communistic party after the so-called velvet revolution because they wanted to be better and more reasonable then them. The result is these commies have been screwing the whole country until this day. Some of them even go so far to deny their "camps where peple were taught to concentrate" ever existed and executions of political opponents ever happened.
This also doesn’t help when some TH-cam have seemingly sold their integrity to oppose the fans and fellow TH-camrs that are opposed to Disney Star Wars. Take for example the recent civil war Star Wars explained (and company) calling for the demonetization for several TH-camrs that were against the acolyte
RIP James Earl Jones and Thank You
The only thing that will fix the fandom is for Disney to fire Bob Iger and Kathleen Kennedy and retcon their trilogy and make Lucas’ trilogy. Anything less would be a waste of time.
“When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.” - Tyrion Lannister.
By not pandering to the smallest minority, and removing the gender politics from it.
It's frustrating that a lot of people will disagree because "politics have always been in Star Wars"
Geo-politics? Of course. Gender politics, not so much.
One of the issues of listening to the other side is that the critical constructivists aka intersectional Marxists aka people who are woke care more about their political activism than storytelling and will use any manipulation of language to get their way. People like Leslye headland don't care if the company makes money. Luckily some higher ups at Disney still care about making money but there are obviously some people in influential positions who don't, or it is at least secondary. For people who are woke if a company or hobby or intellectual property can be dialectically synthesized it's a win for them. If it can't then they can have a sour grapes attitude about it and say that it deserves to fail because it's racist/sexist/etc. Instead of it being " if I can't have you no one can. " it's " if I can't use this to change the socio-politcal system that is the dominant force of the western world it deserves to not exist." People who are woke are eerily similar to the sith. Not because they can use the force or because they have red lightsabers but because they are obsessed with power.
Aren't you name calling these fans? So why get mad if they name call you?
@@TheDCbizExcept some of these fans ARE Marxists, so it’s pointing out the obvious.
@@TheDCbizthey’re not fans. Fans love Star Wars for what it is. The people he’s talking about are trying to fundamentally change the series to be something different that they can use to further their political beliefs.
Put down the keyboard and go to therapy.
@@YourDadYoda Tell that to the people trying to de-platform people they don’t agree with.
Lol, Not "I caught Covid" but "My wife gave me Covid". Oof so much was said there, haha. Poor Naboo.
I feel like this got recorded before the entire fandom and youtube channels went into full-blown war, taking sides and outright showing how they think.
The galaxy will never be the same without you, James Earl Jones. Rest in peace.
In loving memory of James Earl Jones (January 17, 1931 - September 9, 2024). He will be missed but never forgotten, resting well forever in peace.
Rip James Earl Jones/Darth Vader and Mufasa
May the force be with you…😢
I think it’s with not viewing or paying, yeah. I watched all of the Acolyte. I heard it was bad and still watched just because it’s Star Wars and I feel I want to know all the tidbits. I actually don’t think they’ll lose a majority if old school fans . It’s the general audience that won’t ever want to tune in just for a message of inclusion. Even if they love the idea of DEI. It’s like the supporting wnba players get more pay but women still not watching because it’s not fun until Clark came along. Even now that’s men watching. Grown women still mostly don’t support it.
First and foremost. R.I.P James Earl Jones. You were a legend and your teachings will be passed on to many generations to come.
I have come into contact with Star Wars fans who love Disney Star Wars because they believe the message being put out there through the shows and movies.
Many of them through the mobile game swgoh and to start off they are just regular people and because the best characters in the game are from Disney Star Wars they don’t start hostile.
When the subject of Star Wars comes up however they tend to drop or change the subject rather quickly and I would like to add my philosophy is and always will be you like what you like we are all Star Wars fans. So after discovering I’m an old school fan I’m always confused when they stop responding when I have a question about the game.
Most old school fans I come across are always open to discussing Star Wars old or new though not always in a positive way.
Taking out the trolls and people just looking to be spiteful I don’t feel it’s the old fan base that’s not willing to talk. The new fans on the other hand have been fed lies about how we hate anyone who isn’t us sense the inception of this new era and I feel that has made them unwilling to accept us into their view of what being a Star Wars fan means.
These are my experiences and thoughts though perhaps I’m an anomaly
When it comes to Star Wars, I think the fandom only gets better when an empathetic leader is put in place. I think a fan-focused leader at Lucasfilm would need to speak to all fans, and not just pick a side.
If they stop making $hit, the fan base may just be happy. I know, right?
Well said! Hope you're both feeling better - and of course, Rest in Peace James Earl Jones, one of the Greats!
Ignore it, them, and they’ll carry on in their own little bubble. Eventually they’ll get bored of not getting the attention they want. All i’ll say is that no matter what your opinion or position on whatever particular issue happens to be, it’s *always* *wrong* to try and “cancel”
someone and take away their ability to earn a living doing something they love as long as it’s not against the law.
Step 1: have Disney stop blaming fans and telling everyone that criticising them means you are a racist misogynist bigot and that any negative review is just hateful people reviewbombing.
2: make half decent and up content. Like a cohesive plot, even a bad one, is already a mile above most Disney content.
That's it. There were disagreements before, absolutely. But nothing but the hatemill we have today. It's especially problematic that one side hates the content put out and criticises it, and the other side hates the people criticises it and personally attacks them rather than defend the content but still claim to be morally superior.
I hope you get better fast Thor. RIP James Earl Jones the legend. Personally to end this strife is simply for Disney to stop making Star Wars content, that is sad to say, but I already have plenty of Star Wars content to be happy, from the EU and the 6 movies. I prefer they just stop instead of causing more harm.
The fan wars have always been a thing, and will always be a thing. I can't think of a single big "fandom" that doesn't have them. Right now Disney is "to blame". Before that Lucas was "to blame" for ruining people's childhoods by daring to add or change scenes in the holy movies. And then there were and probably still are people who detested the prequels, who consider them to be "not Star Wars" or not Star Warsy enough. Anything that is popular has its internal strife. Whenever Disney sells the franchise there will be some people out there who think the Disney Era was the golden age and whatever comes after isn't "their Star Wars."
Do you guys remember the 1990s & the early 2k, when people with new ideas would make new franchises?
Hollywood wanted a grittier, modern-looking spy movie with fist fighting. They didn't change 007, they created Jack Reacher, The Bourne Identity & other franchises that filled this niche they wanted.
The problem today is that studios are pushing new concepts into old franchises. Now, did Headland want to direct a Star Wars story or was she pushed into fitting her idea in the SW mold? We know that Ryan Johnson didn't even like SW, but KK wanted him to direct a SW film within the new SW Trilogy, and we all know how it went.
Headland wanted to write a Star Wars story, it was the Venture Capitalists at upper management who stifled her ideas, the original intent of the show, is not what we got.
In the grim, darkness of our foreseeable future…
There is only war
Forget the legends of our past, for so much has been forsaken, never to be relearned; forget the promise of unity and community, there will be no peace among the Stars.
That sounds like the opposite of star wars ironically
Oh no no, that's not the way to be. Have you learned nothing from Star Wars? I recommend reading this book, How The Force Can Fix The World, or watching a TH-cam channel run by Geeky Stoics.
Thor, of course, is the OG Jedi of Star Wars, understanding that we must follow the will of the Force, not try to control it.
Let me quote from How the Force Can Fix the World, for I hope these words will inspire you to keep a positive mindset.
"I have considered myself a conservative..... To me that has always meant that the knowledge and ways of living that came before my time have inherent value... Tradition only matters if you share it. Truth is only truth is if it's unchanging. New doctrines, new scriptures, and new films cannot destroy what is already safe within...
"The force can only fix the world if you let it shape your individual actions first.
"The Force can only fix the world if you let itsl shape your individual actions first. If Star wars exists to fans as nothing more than sacred texts or as a nostalgic itch in need of good scratch well... Then they're just movies. But if you see Star wars and the way its characters act, the choices they make, and the destinies they fulfill as being good, then stop passing the buck in terms of responsibility for your feelings. They will--and are probably already--betraying you.
"Pass on what you've learned. Take responsibility. Stand up against the dark, but never at the cost of setting foot in the darkness yourself."
"Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny consume you it will."-- Master Yoda
I've been in a pit of despair over the past year because I've been so ill and I've let my sickness control my moods, and have let resentments control my thoughts.
I'm done with that because the time I have left on Earth is short. I don't have time to be miserable. If I am to live I am going to walk in the way of the light for as long as there is Spirit in me.
@@TheDCbiz He's referencing WH40K
James Earl Jones certainly was a legend. His performances were always good in what little I’ve seen of him besides Star Wars; those being Lion King, Dr. Strangelove, and Hunt For Red October. Though his performance in Empire Strikes Back is my favorite.
As for the issue of the fandom, I don’t see it getting better anytime soon. With the recent stuff that’s started to happen regarding purposefully trying to get channels demonetized or even deplatformed, it’s only going to get worse. The problem is that we’ve turned entertainment and the way we engage with it into something we tie to someone’s’ morality and character. Admittedly I may have some questions if someone absolutely loves The Acolyte (or people who are truly anti-Jedi/Light side and mean it unironically), but I wouldn’t get too deep into it.
But the things that have happened with Star Wars Explained, Kyle Katarn, and whatever other creators would be lumped in that group has come across as foolish at best, and hypocritical and malicious at worst.
And when channels like The Critical Drinker, Nerdrotic, StarWarsTheory, or Film Threat end up reviewing something and I agree after watching it for myself, or when they’re commenting on entertainment as a whole and are proven right, then why would I trust people like Star Wars Explained? And if agreeing them makes me a “hater”, -ist, phobe, or whatever else, than so be it. Those words have been so diluted that you may as well be saying I’m tall and have brown hair. People need to stop at believing their opponent is a horrible villain rather than discuss the issue at hand.
RIP JEJ. He'll always be Admiral Greer (from Clear and Present Danger and Patriot Games) to me no matter how many other Jack Ryan universe shows come out.
To end fan wars: 1. Don't reward darkness. If you elevate the Sith, you draw a fan base that acts like Sith and not Jedi. 2. Accept that art is subjective and you'll never make everyone 100% happy and that's okay. Part of why fiction exists is to spark conversations and even debates. 3. Understand your brand, and put effort into understanding why Star Wars resonated in the first place. Lot of super fans are highly educated with a genuine love of film and storytelling and yes, that makes us harder to please, but you'll get more return from doing one project really well than phoning in a lot of forgettable content.
On the fan side, it's more about remembering how to respectfully debate. It's *okay* to have different opinions about media and exchange ideas. Do not assume things about someone's character or intellect because they like or dislike something. Let them tell you their reasons, don't assume them.
Embrace nuance. It's also okay to enjoy things that aren't well made or not enjoy things that are. I've watched Hand of Manos without the bots and the sequel and the puppet show... I can simultaneously enjoy that and admit it's a terrible movie. There's also well made movies that I can't stand for personal reasons. Good films can have flaws. Bad films can have good moments or good actors. It's all part of the discussion.
And you can apply some of this to real world politics. Dem/Rep or Liberal/Conservative are false binaries. It's okay to argue and care deeply about things. But arguments are more productive when we use them to deepen understanding of an issue and not just try to shout each other down.
RIP James Earl Jones. He will be missed.
For me, he was Darth Vader and Thulsa Doom from Conan. Must have watched the first trilogy and Conan the Barbarian thousands of times.
Get well soon 🙏 Thor.. and rest in power James Earl Jones Jr 😢
I think you gave a honest and fair assessment/opinion on this star wars fandom break down.
Thor, I don’t think this war will ever truly be fixed. Once politics and “sides” got introduced, it was over from That day forward.
When hearing about James Earl Jones death I immediately went to watch some of the bts voice recordings for the Lion King and wow Disney back then were really at the top of their game. From Jeremy Irons to Rowan Atkinson the talent was truly top notch and almost everything Disney released was excellent. To see how far they’ve fallen in terms of the quality of their output is truly remarkable.
Can't be done, it's a sign of times, a reflection of humanity in 2024
RIP James Earl Jones
I just read the EU and watch DVDs. There's nothing in the Disney lineups that I can't miss. I enjoyed Andor but that's one thing in 12 years.
I've said it before and will say it again...
Thor is the Bendu- the one in the middle.
Thanks for that. A voice of reason.
And RIP Lord Vader. Thanks for the lifetime of memories. 😢
RIP James Earl Jones! A legend!
Love your channel
Rest In Peace JEJ
Hope you and wife feel better soon
I believe voting with your wallet is 100% the way to do it. This online bickering is stupid. And it doesn’t work. If anything. It just builds the divide. Were at a point now you can’t say you dislike something without being a “phobe”. Or “you’re not a REAL Star Wars fan”.
I’ve said this many times : Star Wars NEEDS a librarian like Marvel does. Someone who KNOWS the stories inside and out. And lucasfilms non stop picking and choosing from Cannon, and then saying “oh we aren’t doing Cannon”. Isn’t helping. This has to stop. They must pull a full 180. Start listening to the majority of what the fans would like.
This change is IMPOSSIBLE with who is in charge now. Kathleen Kennedy should step down with grace. And I would hope Filoni leaves with her. (I know. That’s blasphemy. But look at his record for the last 2-3 years. He’s lost his way). Ashoka as a whole wasn’t very good. It was Ok. But not great.
A small character, Baylon with BARELY, IDK. Way 25 minutes of total screen time through the entire series was more interesting than the main character. That’s a fail to me.
Is it because he was a man? Is it because he was from a time that most fans want more or ? (After Order 66??). Idk.
I’d love to see a more adult oriented series where Darth Vader hunts Jedi’s on the lamb. And the conflict between he and the Emperor. How Palpatine is always treating him poorly.
I can't post links in a comment, but the animation channel "Kurzgesagt - In a Nutshell" has addressed the problem of modern factionalism due to social media in a really innovative way. The video is called "The Internet is Worse Than Ever - Now What?" I found it really insightful and surprisingly hopeful for our future.
Haven't watched them in years thanks for the rec!
LOL!! Throwing Sailor Naboo under the bus for giving you C-19. I'm sure you won't get any flack at all for that. :)
You mean covid?
Of course, RIP James Earl Jones. But to answer the fan wars question. It's simple: Lucasfilm has to make an undeniably great movie.
Then making an “undeniably great movie” does nothing at all to fix the ACTUAL problem with them. The fandom was lost in 2014 right off the bat when they “cancelled” and destroyed the ENTIRE universe of nearly 40 years, and said none of THAT exists only what WE make from here on out exists. They lost 90% of the fandom from that very first incompetent decision. Right from the start.
Topic 1: May Mr. Jones rest in peace.
Topic 2: I gave up on Star Wars before the Acolyte (the premise/promo before release just didn’t grab my interest.) and now I’m onto watching all of old Star Trek (TOS,TNG,DS9, Voyager) along with SNW as it’s airing because it’s definitely revitalizing Star Trek and I think actually listening to it’s fan base unlike Disney.
I forgot to add Battlestar Galactica but that’s no where near as big but definitely filled with a lot of passion and care.
You’ll be back in Star Wars eventually.
RIP to the legendary James Earl Jones.
Get well soon - both of you.
Great short requiem for JEJ.
...when i heard the news that James Earl Jones had become one with The Force, one of my first thoughts was: Thor Skywalker is the Only Jedi that can give Darth Vader a Proper Send-Off...
...i spent most of the day wondering what would be said about this Legendary Actor...
...i would not have guessed those words could be condensed into 38 seconds...
...please tell me you have more on deck for us...?
...get well soon...
👽 🖖 🤖
...i forgot what the question was.
RIP to a legend!
Get well soon, Thor! Also got Covid for the very first time a few weeks ago.
Farewell to Mr James Earl Jones. May his light shine on in the Stars like Mufasa. May you be at peace in the eternal Force, like Anakin Skywalker. (There was never any Darth Vader. It was always Anakin).
Thank you for gracing us with your Grace.
I've been a fan of Star Wars since around the early 90s or so and over the past 5 years I've been getting into the EU, now known as Legends, whereas before I never paid much attention to it. I tried liking the Acolyte, but once it was finished, I couldn't excuse the bullshit plot holes anymore. If people like the show for whatever reason, that's fine, I Have no issue with that. I take no pleasure in the show being cancelled, but at the same time, it was a business decision. The show wasn't profitable. Anyone who can't see that is willfully ignorant. If the creators and fans of the Acolyte want to fund a second season with their own money to finish the story, and if Disney is okay with that and with having it on their streaming service, then all involved in such an endeavor have the right to do so. Not saying I'd watch it, but they can do that if they want to, which would probably be far more productive than calling everyone who has any kind of problem with the Acolyte a racist sexist bigot. That said, I am thinking of cancelling my Disney+ subscription for a number of reasons (quality of shows, terms saying you can't sue them no matter what the situation, etc., their complete and utter hypocrisy when it comes to racial issues), and the only reason I can think of for keeping it is for Andor season 2 and X-Men 97 season 2.
James, the Force will be with you, always.
I am done with Disney!! I doubt I will EVER subscribe to Disney Plus again!
Hey Thor the StarWarsExplained drama is crazy to me, starting a petition to deplatform someone bc of differing opinions is such an empire thing to do