Dave Filoni is Bad and Cringe | EFAP Highlight
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- The boys rip into Dave Filoni and Ahsoka.
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Dave Filoni did a fucky wucky before everyone was talking about it. He betrayed George, and took part in the throwing away and replacing of George's sequel trilogy. Letting Ahsoka live was the warning sign. Killing Darth Maul in Rebels was a key decision. Supporting Kathleen and Abrams in their crimes against cinema was the big crime. Making Ahsoka (the show) boring and fanfiction-y is the post scriptum of the main problem. Which was, again, betraying George.
Oh, yeah, George's sequels were supposed to include Maul rallying al the crime syndicates, but Filoni killed Maul off in Rebels. Without any major overhaul, that storyline is dead gone. What a backstabbing bastard.
@@mac1991sethI'm getting tired of the narrative that George was heavily involved in the reasons that were made in TCW. George heavily stepped down in his involvement with the franchise after revenge of the sith. Filoni had some good episodes in TCW, don't get me wrong. But let's not act like the dude has always been perfect. And once again, don't say George was 100% involved in TCW, cause that is nothing but a lie and cope.
@@bilbobaggins9451 Except he was heavily involved, lol. Even George's own daughter talked about it.
@@mac1991seth Maul was killed off because the Sequels already ensured Lucas' ideas would never be used.
@@willfanofmanyii3751 The sequels took place 30 years after the last movie, I think they could've used Lucas' ideas for animated series or whateverthehell Mandoverse is doing. Killing off Maul erases that completely.
Katie Lucas wasn’t given enough credit as a writer of the Clone Wars series
Dave Filoni is right about Star Wars because he's wearing a cowboy hat... And that's an objective truth.
No cap.
Correct
Dave Felony's stupid fkn hat makes me think of what Sargent Hartman said about the only two things that come out of Texas.
“Take that ridiculous thing off…”
- nobody
He looks like DSP
Ahsokas character has been reduced to nothing, she was already boring in Rebels. Filoni is destroying his own character
Honestly, she was fine in Rebels. Boring compared to her Clone Wars self, but she was supposed to be the wise sage at that point. She had her moments, like her fight with Vader.
But yeah, she lost ALL her charisma (and just her character in general) in Ahsoka.
@@darthsonic4135 Yeah agreed. I actually liked her in tcw so idk how filoni fumbled the character so badly.
This is a great idea for a channel! If I can make a suggestion - Include a link to the source EFAP episode in the description. I know it's in the beginning of the clip but I'm lazy :)
I second this suggestion.
i third this suggestion
I'll be sure to start doing that, thanks for the suggestion!
Hi Wolf. Great to see ya
I fourth thi- oh wait
Filoni is so fucking overrated. Star Wars Legends is so far above TCW and Disney.
People act like star wars died in 2012 when Disney bought it. Nah, it was dying a slow death since 2008. I enjoy some filoni clone wars, but there are so many crap retcons.
Ah yes, I love that moment in Legends when Anakin would randomly be a perv and the Clones would suggest nuking planets.
Yeah, the Clone Wars Multimedia Project was great and bridged the gap between AOTC/ROTS very well. TCW, on the other hand, feels like an insane, juvenile fan-fiction that actively damages Expanded Universe continuity as well as the continuity of the films.
@@SolarDragon007 Considering Lucas made TCW, not fan fiction, lol.
@@willfanofmanyii3751 I don't give a shit if Lucas made it or not. He wasn't some creative genius and made plenty of stupid/bad creative decisions with the franchise. The people who idolize him are almost as cringe as Filoni fans.
Dave Filoni is a poor man's Zack Snyder
No they're on the same level. One plays with his action figures. The other plays with his action figures and thinks he's saying something.
That's the only difference.
Ahsoka behaves like a typical, middle-aged American working mom who eats lorazepam and Tylenol PM just to be able to exist.
The thing is 'girlboss' characters nowadays aren't allowed to have emotions, attachments, or interests.
They are icons meant to excel and stand around posing while smirking for the camera.
That’s a problem. And worse, the fans want it that way. Yeah, the fans are just as responsible for this as the creators, all while the creators just keeping pouring gasoline in the fire set by the fans.
Back in the day i was okay with clone wars, certain story arcs im still okay with and thank him for directing (not writing) those episodes, BUT he has not only done irreversible damage to the brand, to the original eu, and to the many interesting characters and storylines that were discarded and retconed. ALSO, he's retconed canon material that didnt need to be retconed so, what does that tell you?
PS: Im still salty that the Clone Wars 2003 ending was retconned. It was so much better
Hahahahahahaha
Wouldn't it make sense if Palpatine had zombie troopers? Yet instead there's just millions of crew on Exegol, conjured into existence....
11:20 its wild to me there are still recording from before Fringy was a host. 😂
These are amazing Wolf! Thank you for the hard work AND the nam' war flashbacks from rewatching some of these!!
watch, in a year or two, disney/lucasfilm will reveal that the ahsoka show and the obiwan show etc. is part of a multiverse lol.
I want the Karen Traviss clones back.
TCW softies are bad as heck.
I’d like to see both portrayals.
At least Battle Droids excuse of so highly mass producable, cheap, and the Jedi and clones being vastly stronger than B1s individually really helped those scenes in clonewars. The issue is when they wrote the stormtroopers similarly in Rebels. Canon Fodder characters have different tier levels of effectiveness. Battle droids arent the same mechanically as Stormtroopers. Battle droids on large scale were better but stormtroopers were supposed to be accurate shots with great training.
They still made the B1's pretty dumb when compared to their movie and game counterparts, but it was at least easier to maintain the suspension of disbelief because of the prequels being the prequels.
@hudsonk1racer yes is Clone Wars they were a little dumber and more talkative. I am pretty sure it was a decision made because the B1s had far more programming due to having to be used for a large scale war now overloading thier systems and the talkative and slower thought process speed was the side effect. While individually B1s were crap they were easy to overwhelm any force and cheap to mass produce.
Am I in a minority thinking that the B1s in Phanrom menace felt much more appropriate than those which appear later?
Their voices were made more comical and they were given dialogue that was meant to be funny when their first appearance had them acting much more like *Battle Droids* should?
@MediumRareOpinions i have seen a lot of people discuss this. People before clone wars especially prefer phantom menace voices. They were too comical. It has been a discussion since the show began. I have been keeping up with the discussion since the begining
The battle droids never should have existed. The Clone Wars being just one manufactured thing vs another manufactured thing so boring.
It’s wild hearing them talk about Snyder like this after the Rebel Moon review.
As someone that enjoyed even Rebels to an extent, I am glad people are now realizing Filone is a fraud, if anything the only reason the other shows like Clone Wars worked were because of everyone else working on it not because of him.
Doing alternate universes is the best thing they could do at this point so long as they make them entirely separate universes and not a dumb cross connecting, stakes ruining multiverse (each universe as separate from one another as they are from naruto). Disney canon leads to a landfill, if they embraced alternate storylines they could create better stories or expanded universe ones, allowing them to silently stop their current canon without the humiliation of admitting it, then all the trash could be relegated to the sequels continuity.
3:04 is that my video they're talking about? :0
Hey Typoh! You were definitely one of the guests of all time :)
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You made a fine addition to the stream
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Hey congrats it means they’ve seen it but it wasn’t bad so they didn’t have to cover it on EFAP
I like the clone wars show and the rebels show but will readily admit they have loads of flaws
Gerivious and ventress were down so dirty
I hate those shows and their fans more than sequel fans lol he’s so garbage
@@dakotalange2858facts. Especially compared to the 2003 version.
But whenever they got good, they got *really freaking good.*
@@liamphibia meh, not really. They got okay at best
I folded my arms while watching this.
This is a body language sing for being defensive or closed off from certain things, not willing or capable to deal with those things. Just fyi.
Disney: Et tu Ign? Et tu?
Thanks to this comment I just learned that TH-cam auto translates Latin
I am so annoyed by this f-ing smirk and this crossing the arms bs. Ahsoka show was pointless.
10:30, funny Fringy was there for that. Guess he was not gone but forgotten
seems like one of the problems with Disney star wars shows, is giving an entire show dedicated to one character. Just seems like the stuff that has done well involves more than one character as the "main" character
Turns out Fringy was there for the 300 efap coverage.
Thank you wolf 🎉
I liked Ahsoka in Clone Wars, pretty much nothing else after that. Her character has long outstayed her welcome. As it goes, George wanted her character to die by the end of the show, Dave compromised with him with her leaving the Order instead. Okay, but she still should have died after the show's end if that were the case. Dave had the perfect opportunity to give her a satisfying but at the same time tragic end, dying in a final duel against her former master now turned Sith Lord during the season 2 finale of Rebels. Vader killing Ahsoka would have been an excellent way to show just how far Anakin had now fallen by that point, where he feels nothing in regards to killing her. So utterly now consumed with darkness and hatred, with his only loyalty being to the dark side and nothing else. But instead, Dave completely retconned this with stupid as hell Force time travel nonsense and she's continued to live on despite serving no purpose anymore.
now, are do we still have this attitude with dave's vs. zack's abilities in a world post-Rebel Moon release?
And we finally saw that war arc begin.
Fringy was apparently there for 300.
Let it be known far and wide! I guess... If you care enough to.
I cannot stand David phony bologna. He just takes other people's work, inserts his own characters into it and goes look what I've created. People praise him for his clone wars kid show. All I can say is go read the graphic novels of the clone wars and it's a lot better than phony bologna does.
So wait, what is entailed by a "war arc"?
That's what I wanna know. Maybe they're talking about a bunch of war movies?
War isn’t happening, it happens, and then it doesn’t happen a second time
Love you guys
Why does Dave Filoni look like DarkSydePhil?
A lot of arcs in clone Wars were good individually but miss a lot of essentially impirtant moments that should have been this era. Dave Filoni got worse in most series he did. He was always messy though in his writing and history. People who dont understand writing well enough dont understand the inconsistencies a lot of the clone wars had. Rebels was weaker a many ways, but had many great characters and storylines but i mostly only invested when a character from Clone Wars show or movie was on screen. Bad Batch is inconsistent but a lot of good. Mandalorian was messy from the word go but was good enough fans were trying to make it work. Ashoka was a train wreck. Tales of the Jedi is ok but needs work. Count Dooku was Clone Wars show dooku origin not AotC Dooku orgin. The movie version is far more sophisticated than the average sith. The show made him more generic. And Ashoka parts were fine but largely irrelevant. With crap we have been getting Tales being ok isnt good enough. Resistance was a Disaster.
Book of Boba and maybe Kenobi have Dave filoni attached but i have to check. Go through his history again is he really a consistently good enough writer or head of a project, not to mention his recent controversial interviews that muddle things further. Honestly i think the best parts of Filoni content is when he has help of more knowledgeable people. People love to forget resistence his disaster too which was cancelled pretty much immediately and is very hard to watch, ashoka being all him writingwise which was clearly not a pro to most of the audience, mandalorian season 3, he many more blunders.
I hard disagree on Snyder being better than filoni but I should be clear on how little that means. I genuinely don’t think Snyder should be allowed to direct or write movies, he is that bad. Filoni I think is fine in the most literal sense of the word but at least he can make a plot make sense, not always make it good mind you but at least it makes sense.
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7:43 you say you hope Star Wars doesnt do multiverse S##t. You do really realize this has happened since at least the 90s maybe eighties. We have what 4 different continuities of the clone wars for example and none connect.
Pre prequels Clone Wars where writers showed the era before lucas unwrote them
03' show i would argue best
08' show which is the most known the currently running canon
Book 08 material that gets changed by shows all the time.
This is has been a literal multiverse for decades but not everyone ignores it or didnt pay enough attention. Sigh it is painful that know one notices this or explains the difference. If this doesnt count as a multiverse, why? It is same during other eras. If you have a big enough group working on a continuity and there isnt a clear enough organization of what story point go where at the top this will happen no matter what. Multiverse isnt inherently a problem DC got away with it to decent effect for decades, poorly executed recently maybe earlier too but it still worked and you see potentially interested what if scenarios. Star Wars got away with it for decades without most of the fanbase catching on.
Synder vs Filoni writing.......hm need more evidence. Only watched Synder's DC movies they were terrible portryables of the characters. Filoni's content it is unclear. Most of his writing credits are unclear how much was him who deserves the credit. So more info needed. Filoni has many great characters to his name as well as crap ones. But i could easily believe the ones that are the best werent his. I hate watching Snyder movies asethically because every one is shot with a piss yellow filter even the non DC ones. Can you stop being so edgy, at least when Zelda did it in Twilight princess for example it better a better shade of yellow. It is the one positive example i can think of for edgy yellow i am sorry, dont know if that game will translate to this audience. I dont want to watch 300 because of the dark backround, yellow filter and shrouded it darkness. The trailers make it look ugly. It isnt a series or storyline i have enough knowledge to care on otherwise
Nothing funny to say here. Just "Filoni sucks."
he does though? why's it have to be funny?
@@nedia8259 I like some things he's been involved in but I will readily admit he is very flawed/overated
But does he suck better than KK?
@@nedia8259 because I would rather it be funny than the actual state of things.
If the man hasn’t watched Clone Wars and he’s saying Dave Filoni is trash he’s acting a fool
Dave didn't write every episode. He had a team. Ashoka is a testament to his skill.
Clone wars wasn't even that good.
@@jerm70 I think the issue is that, fundamentally, Dave Filoni is just an animated director and showrunner. He was serviceable in that role. He’s not a writer by trade. He’s written a few things, but directors shouldn’t be expected or encouraged to write. Filoni should not be directing live action, or even really writing anything. He should be directing cartoons. That’s what he’s good at.
@@tastethecock5203 These takes are pure trash next you're going to tell me that Andor is better than Clone Wars.
@@staraptorflock3661 I haven't watched andor