Love you guys! I'm trying to get into track riding. The cost tho. Have to get a trailer & everything but looks so fun! Thank u for all the hard work put into this mega tyre test
Track riding can be done very cheaply. If you need a trailer, you could start with ride shares as many riders do that to help each other with costs. Always post and ask and you will be amazed at the support there is out there to get riders like you to the track. A small car trailer like alumline.com are relatively cheap. You can use hypersport tyres and all that is needed is brake light and mirrors taped.
Hi Dave, I have a 2015 bmw s1000rr, it's time to change tires to go hard on the road, which one do you advise and what pressures ? Thank you very much.
I would suggest that you choose a hypersport category tyre with soft sides. The choice depends on grip vs longevity and your wallet's ability to keep throwing tyres on the bike. So the list is in order of grip 1st through to longevity: Q5 and Pirelli SP, Rosso III, Rosso IV and M9RR, Bridgestone S22/23 and Conti Sport ASttack. Pressures would be as recommended by the manufacturer, generally around 32/30 for very aggressive street riding to ensure maximum grip.
Hey Dave do a lot of aggressive street riding and about to go to first track day currently on s22 but will need a new set do you recommend sticking with these or upgrades to the Dunlop q5s
If you stay with the S22, handling will be very consistent with what you know. That is critical for your first track day. Changing wil completely alter the handling of the bike and unless you do some work with chassis geometry and suspension, you will be disadvantaged and that would not be a fair comparison for the Dunlops.
Quick question here 🙋♂️ - I currently have a Q3 plus (rear) that is flat, courtesy of huge nail (not repairable)and while I am looking into either getting a Q5s, it’s little pricey so I am considering a S22; I noticed in a previous comment you mentioned the turn in slower, which is okay since I am indeed that and not really much of a knee dragger (working on it) is the turn in and shape similar to the Q3?
For what you describe, the best option is to find the same circumference rear with a very similar hard carcass. take the ruined tire with you to the shop and do some comparing.
Dave i have a question, should I put the new set of s22 180/50 on my gsxr 1000 k7.. I took em for zx6r but sold the bike and got 1l,what should I expect is it worth doing it
I have these tires and very confident with them. I don't track ride but do ride aggressive on the streets. But I'm wondering if Pilot Road 5 might actually be better and easier heated to optimal temp and actually last longer than a hypersport tire like s22
Longevity is a tough one for a comparison based on road speeds and local road surfaces as there is so much variance. Road 5's are softer carcass and might heat up quicker overall.
Depends what "fast" is....... I prefer the S22 for sidewall strength and carcass being able to follow the pavement surfaces well. For street is use 34 front and rear, BUT, I do not ride fast on the street.
@user-cm8nf2bl1s You can have any pressure that you choose. 42 for the rear would be too high and might create deflection so feel free to test 40 and 38 to see if you get more grip and as you ride aggressively, that would be a logical choice based on tyre pressures being around 30 cold at the track as a perspective..
These videos are awesome! I'd be super happy to see some videos on tires for the smaller displacement bikes(r3/ninja 300/400/rc390) maybe something on the power cup evo! Also what dates will you be at buttonwillow?
Hello dave, I have Q3+ used for agressive street riding and occasional track day. They are not available anymore, I am getting S22. What difference should I expect?
Hey I use my bike around the city it’s a Yamaha r6, I don’t track it but in terms of grip and miles for life should I get Bridgestone s22, or Michelin 2ct or dunlop?
Dear Dave i have a major problem with these tyres.I have high speed wobble that starts at 170km/h (yamaha tracer 700).I found that others have the same problem with sport touring bikes that didnt had with previous tyres.I changed air pressure,i set the suspension correctly,it seems like aerodynamic problem.Any suggestions?Thank you.
@@ikbendusanyeah men,many people have this. There is no way to pass this problem...the only way is to change tyres.Can you tell me what tyres did you also tied
@@BGDS both the original tyres and the replacements wobble. it came with bridgestone bt023 and i replaced them with bridgestone s22 after i wore them out
Hello dear David I have a Yamaha R1 Rn12 and I live in Germany (Berlin) What tires are right for me? Stickiness, braking, and no slipping on corners even if the road is slightly wet. Price does not matter to me at all Thank you for helping me
Given your description, you need a hypersport tyre that has grooves close to the edges. My choices would be Michelin Power 5, Pirelli Rosso 2 and Bridgestone S22.
Hey Dave, Ive been running these tyres on my sportbike mainly for street riding but its usually done around twisty roads. Was wondering what optimal temps i should be looking for when aggressively street riding (60-85 mph). I live in a colder climate so i'll adjust psi accordingly, but was looking to see what optimal temps i should be aiming for after about an hour of riding
@@catalystreactionsbw Thank you for your reply! I went for a ride today and ran 32f/35r psi and after about 30 mins there didnt seem to be any psi gain in either tyre and the bike felt a little squirelly, would you recommend adding pressure or reducing pressure in this scenario? (Ambient temp was around 44F)
@@SteGy Let's test 32 front and 36 rear cold. Ride for about 30 minutes and check with the palm of you hand pressed in firmly. The front will feel cool to cold no ,matter what pressure you run in it and 32 would be as low as I would go.
@Dave Moss Tuning appreciate the reply Dave! Will adjust pressures and test when the weather allows and work from there! Great content and lovely support as always, heavily appreciated!
Rosso II is the harder carcass so ti will handle road conditions well at speed. The S22 is slightly softer and more compliant so bumps are a little smaller on impact for better stability. Both work incredibly well and as we are in a golden age of tyres, both work very well indeed. Rosso II will last longer in my experience, but you are looking for grip not longevity.
@@SepuluhSeptember I would start at 30 front and 32 rear to give the carcass some shape under cornering loads. 3-4psi over cold would be the ideal gain.
@@catalystreactionsbw I must ask u a thing about the road series (road 5 or 6) Is the power 5 still the way to go or is the road tiers any option, just curious
Hi dave, I just bought this tires and not installed yet, I use sc22 supercorsa 200/55/17 on rear and 120/55/17 on front... I just like to hear an honest revirew from you about this tires for track and everyday use, Its cheaper tire. I have s22 bridgestone 190/55/17 and 120/55/17. My sc2 supercorsa life span was very fast for me.
All hypersport tyres are amazing. If you had Pirelli before, these will feel very similar as they share almost the same carcass and profile. Both Pirelli and Bridgestone will last the same amount of time.
Any Hypersport category tyre offers much better grip at lean than a single compound tyre. If you are just commuting, a hypersport tyre is not ideal. If =commute and enjoy weekends riding canyons, then this category offers great performance.
Both excellent tyres, both with great durability and feedback. S22 is slightly softer carcass for less feedback so if you need a lot of information from them, RCII would be the way to go.
Look at it from this perspective. If you bottom out, you can not add any more brake pressure or the rear will lift, then you have to release the brake to put it down again. Yes, add compression damping and if you max that, add 25cc of oil to each leg unless the oil is over 5,000 miles or 8,000kms of use.
@@catalystreactionsbw On an 2023 MT-09-sp with KYB forks. . Trying to understand where the bottom actually is. My zip tie is 3/4 " from the bottom after hard breaking tests. Is the bottom of the lower tube the actual bottom of travel? Or is the bottom of travel some height above the bottom of the lower tube?
S22 bridgestone is a shitty tire it wobbles at speed more than 150km/h, mine is an MT09, and after I changed to the Diablo Rosso 4 the wobble disappears. The tires are not stick to the ground; it is slippery ...
The wobble is chassis geometry. We are in a golden age for tires so I respectfully disagree. The issue is too much weight on the rear wheel and not enough on the front, Getting the DR4 with a bigger circumference helped the issue but did not fix it. To get that done right you need to set preload and damping correctly and manage fork and shock travel. In your case, shock travel is most important. th-cam.com/video/KeZT1LCY8CU/w-d-xo.html
@@catalystreactionsbw i paid premium for your website and settings exactly like you did on your video for MT09 2022, my weight same as your partner the one sit on the bike 80-82kg. It is still wobble, only wobble in front not on the rear. I did change the tire and it isnt wobble anymore, so how do you explain that?
@@PhysicalChessBJJ Thank you for being a Premium subscriber! There is more weight on the front wheel now as the rear is higher. The shock does not travel as far as weight is more forward. This helps substantially. As you also have the fork and shock rebound much more controlled via settings, this is another significant step in the right direction.
@@catalystreactionsbw thanks for your reply, let me try it. I was trying your settings leaving 2 lines of preload and other setting such as high & low speed compression + rebound same as your video. As you see, the sag is quite difficult to measure as it leaves no static sag at all.
@@PhysicalChessBJJ The fact that static sag is gone is the 100% confirmation that you need a stronger spring provided that the shock gets 1-2mm from the rubber bumper with travel used.
Greasy is hot for the tyre BUT can also be the track surface being hot and oil coming to the surface so be careful to distinguish each one. Some tracks are known for low grip over XF/C, so that data point is essential. For the S22 when measured in your pit post session, the soft edges need to be 150F minimum and over 190F the tire has less grip.
@@catalystreactionsbw great info thanks! I'm subscribing to your total access as I would really like to learn this aspect of tuning a bike as well. Have you done a comparison of the s22 and the Rosso 3 for track use?
@@deweysturgill6220 Not the Rosso 3. I find that tire is really hard to dial in at the track as the softest compound always wears quickly unless pressure is low. The Rosso 2 seems to be far better overall and last longer. I have only tuned one Rosso 4 on a hot day, nothing yet with Winter weather. I hope you enjoy Total Access and thanks for your support by subscribing.
@@LAGman91 Contact Patch playlist has all the information on tyre wear you will need. Technical data on temps/pressures etc can be acquired from the manufacturer.
As there is no information on your weight, minimum for track is 32 front and 30 rear on a 75F day with an advanced rider at 180lbs. Based on that baseline, you can do some testing.
@@catalystreactionsbw thanks Dave, we’ll do some preload measurements tomorrow also, I’m around 68kg without gear and currently riding on leathers. Seems like my rear preload is too soft.
@@catalystreactionsbw thanks boss Dave, front has 1” left but rear seems to be bottomed out, didn’t feel any slips so probably just barely bottomed out. Probably didn’t take into account the suit weight as we measured before using no gear. 🤷🏻♂️
Dave and dave, pls take a bow. This is THE most comprehensive tyre test one can find on the Internet 🙏 absolutely slamming stuff
After a 3 different options I had, today I decided to purchase S22 for my Ninja. Helpful video, thank you 👍
I appreciate you leveraging the video to make an informed choice. Next will be finding your cold pressures based on your climate and use.
I never felt really comfortable on S22, especially in hot afternoon weather. Interesting to see your results.
Love you guys! I'm trying to get into track riding. The cost tho. Have to get a trailer & everything but looks so fun!
Thank u for all the hard work put into this mega tyre test
Track riding can be done very cheaply. If you need a trailer, you could start with ride shares as many riders do that to help each other with costs. Always post and ask and you will be amazed at the support there is out there to get riders like you to the track. A small car trailer like alumline.com are relatively cheap. You can use hypersport tyres and all that is needed is brake light and mirrors taped.
Conti sport attack?? We need that review. Loved my s22’s on the SDGT
times are tough, trying a s22 rear next tire
Have you tried Dunlop's Sportmax Alpha 13 / 14, if yes how does those compare to S22? Thanks Dave!
Hi Dave, I have a 2015 bmw s1000rr, it's time to change tires to go hard on the road, which one do you advise and what pressures ?
Thank you very much.
I would suggest that you choose a hypersport category tyre with soft sides. The choice depends on grip vs longevity and your wallet's ability to keep throwing tyres on the bike. So the list is in order of grip 1st through to longevity: Q5 and Pirelli SP, Rosso III, Rosso IV and M9RR, Bridgestone S22/23 and Conti Sport ASttack. Pressures would be as recommended by the manufacturer, generally around 32/30 for very aggressive street riding to ensure maximum grip.
Hey Dave do a lot of aggressive street riding and about to go to first track day currently on s22 but will need a new set do you recommend sticking with these or upgrades to the Dunlop q5s
If you stay with the S22, handling will be very consistent with what you know. That is critical for your first track day. Changing wil completely alter the handling of the bike and unless you do some work with chassis geometry and suspension, you will be disadvantaged and that would not be a fair comparison for the Dunlops.
I am about 800 miles into 3 weeks of having my Supercorsa's on my 750,
It's all commuting to and from work
But some pretty nice curves along the way 🥰
Quick question here 🙋♂️ - I currently have a Q3 plus (rear) that is flat, courtesy of huge nail (not repairable)and while I am looking into either getting a Q5s, it’s little pricey so I am considering a S22; I noticed in a previous comment you mentioned the turn in slower, which is okay since I am indeed that and not really much of a knee dragger (working on it) is the turn in and shape similar to the Q3?
For what you describe, the best option is to find the same circumference rear with a very similar hard carcass. take the ruined tire with you to the shop and do some comparing.
@@catalystreactionsbw Sounds good, thank you.
Dave i have a question, should I put the new set of s22 180/50 on my gsxr 1000 k7.. I took em for zx6r but sold the bike and got 1l,what should I expect is it worth doing it
If you have a 5.5 inch wheel yes. If a 6 inch rear wheel, no as you can roll off the edge of the rear tire.
I have these tires and very confident with them. I don't track ride but do ride aggressive on the streets. But I'm wondering if Pilot Road 5 might actually be better and easier heated to optimal temp and actually last longer than a hypersport tire like s22
Longevity is a tough one for a comparison based on road speeds and local road surfaces as there is so much variance. Road 5's are softer carcass and might heat up quicker overall.
Dave for fast road use bridgestone s22 or michelin power gp?
And what psi to use them
Depends what "fast" is....... I prefer the S22 for sidewall strength and carcass being able to follow the pavement surfaces well. For street is use 34 front and rear, BUT, I do not ride fast on the street.
So Dave no the 36f 42r psi for aggressive road ride?
@user-cm8nf2bl1s You can have any pressure that you choose. 42 for the rear would be too high and might create deflection so feel free to test 40 and 38 to see if you get more grip and as you ride aggressively, that would be a logical choice based on tyre pressures being around 30 cold at the track as a perspective..
So you mean 36 front and 38 rear
@@ΑνδρεαςΔαναινας yes sir
These videos are awesome! I'd be super happy to see some videos on tires for the smaller displacement bikes(r3/ninja 300/400/rc390) maybe something on the power cup evo! Also what dates will you be at buttonwillow?
Hello dave, I have Q3+ used for agressive street riding and occasional track day. They are not available anymore, I am getting S22. What difference should I expect?
S22 is a softer carcass so less bumps overall, more compliance and slightly slower turn in if pressures are too low.
Hey I use my bike around the city it’s a Yamaha r6, I don’t track it but in terms of grip and miles for life should I get Bridgestone s22, or Michelin 2ct or dunlop?
For pure longevity only based on your list, the Dunlop Q3+
Dear Dave i have a major problem with these tyres.I have high speed wobble that starts at 170km/h (yamaha tracer 700).I found that others have the same problem with sport touring bikes that didnt had with previous tyres.I changed air pressure,i set the suspension correctly,it seems like aerodynamic problem.Any suggestions?Thank you.
How much shock travel are you using compared to fork travel? That will give you the insight you need o understand why this is happening.
same problem with the mt-07, it also wobbles at speed
@@ikbendusanyeah men,many people have this. There is no way to pass this problem...the only way is to change tyres.Can you tell me what tyres did you also tied
@@BGDS both the original tyres and the replacements wobble. it came with bridgestone bt023 and i replaced them with bridgestone s22 after i wore them out
Same here. I’ve had the same problem whether it be from a stand still or a roll on to high speed. Came stock on my KTM Superduke R.
Hello dear David
I have a Yamaha R1 Rn12 and I live in Germany (Berlin)
What tires are right for me?
Stickiness, braking, and no slipping on corners even if the road is slightly wet.
Price does not matter to me at all
Thank you for helping me
Given your description, you need a hypersport tyre that has grooves close to the edges. My choices would be Michelin Power 5, Pirelli Rosso 2 and Bridgestone S22.
@@catalystreactionsbw Thanks David 🙏
Hey Dave, Ive been running these tyres on my sportbike mainly for street riding but its usually done around twisty roads. Was wondering what optimal temps i should be looking for when aggressively street riding (60-85 mph). I live in a colder climate so i'll adjust psi accordingly, but was looking to see what optimal temps i should be aiming for after about an hour of riding
Ideal gain is 2-3.5psi above cold after 40 minutes of riding. Temps? 120-150F if you are using an infra red laser.
@@catalystreactionsbw Thank you for your reply! I went for a ride today and ran 32f/35r psi and after about 30 mins there didnt seem to be any psi gain in either tyre and the bike felt a little squirelly, would you recommend adding pressure or reducing pressure in this scenario? (Ambient temp was around 44F)
@@SteGy Let's test 32 front and 36 rear cold. Ride for about 30 minutes and check with the palm of you hand pressed in firmly. The front will feel cool to cold no ,matter what pressure you run in it and 32 would be as low as I would go.
@Dave Moss Tuning appreciate the reply Dave! Will adjust pressures and test when the weather allows and work from there! Great content and lovely support as always, heavily appreciated!
Which tyre would you choose for hard street riding. S22 or Rosso Corsa 2 :-) which would you trust more :-) ?
Rosso II is the harder carcass so ti will handle road conditions well at speed. The S22 is slightly softer and more compliant so bumps are a little smaller on impact for better stability. Both work incredibly well and as we are in a golden age of tyres, both work very well indeed. Rosso II will last longer in my experience, but you are looking for grip not longevity.
what psi in the s22 you set in front and rear tire for the track?
A group, 32 front and 30 rear in 30-35C weather
Using battlax s22 120 front and 160 rear. Any recommendation for the tire pressure in PSI? Thx you 🙏
Street, aggressive street, track? Please give me the information needed.
@@catalystreactionsbw aggresive street sir. Thank you before
And track. My body weight 96kg with yamaha R25. Thank you
@@SepuluhSeptember I would start at 30 front and 32 rear to give the carcass some shape under cornering loads. 3-4psi over cold would be the ideal gain.
@@catalystreactionsbw thank you for the answer, i tried and need to adjust little bit and feel awesome 👍
@Dave Moss Tuning hi what is recommended for tires for commuting and maybe a little harder driving than touring, on a yamaha r1 2020 ? ☺️
Michelin Power 5, Bridgestone S22 are softer carcass so bigger contact patch when enjoying the turns and better compliance over the bumps.
@@catalystreactionsbw I must ask u a thing about the road series (road 5 or 6)
Is the power 5 still the way to go or is the road tiers any option, just curious
@@forse88 The Power 5 is an excellent road tire for the vast majority of rides especially as road conditions are so inconsistent these days!
@@forse88 I have a set of Power 5 to go on my Kawasaki Concours to test. I have not seen the 6 yet to compare.
@@catalystreactionsbw ok i was thinking to try a road 6 on my r1 just becuse of the longtivity ☺️
Hi dave, I just bought this tires and not installed yet, I use sc22 supercorsa 200/55/17 on rear and 120/55/17 on front... I just like to hear an honest revirew from you about this tires for track and everyday use, Its cheaper tire. I have s22 bridgestone 190/55/17 and 120/55/17. My sc2 supercorsa life span was very fast for me.
th-cam.com/users/shortsmML1ufr_T1k?feature=share we're from Philippines with tropical weather. Im using zx10r
All hypersport tyres are amazing. If you had Pirelli before, these will feel very similar as they share almost the same carcass and profile. Both Pirelli and Bridgestone will last the same amount of time.
Hi Dave. Do you think bridgestone s 22 are proper tyres for daily use of mt 03 ( 110/70-17+140/70-17 )? I have stock dunlop gpr 300 tyres on it.
Any Hypersport category tyre offers much better grip at lean than a single compound tyre. If you are just commuting, a hypersport tyre is not ideal. If =commute and enjoy weekends riding canyons, then this category offers great performance.
Hi Dave ! Bridgestone s22 or pirelli corsa 2 ??? your opinion
Both excellent tyres, both with great durability and feedback. S22 is slightly softer carcass for less feedback so if you need a lot of information from them, RCII would be the way to go.
@@catalystreactionsbw thank you very much!! Nice review 💪
Is bottoming out whilst braking too much of a problem? Cheers Dave.
yes because then you basicaly dont have any more suspension and therefor low grip.
On the cusp of catastrophe.
Solution? Add more compression damping,still have plenty left.I have no preload adjustment.
Look at it from this perspective. If you bottom out, you can not add any more brake pressure or the rear will lift, then you have to release the brake to put it down again. Yes, add compression damping and if you max that, add 25cc of oil to each leg unless the oil is over 5,000 miles or 8,000kms of use.
@@catalystreactionsbw On an 2023 MT-09-sp with KYB forks. . Trying to understand where the bottom actually is. My zip tie is 3/4 " from the bottom after hard breaking tests. Is the bottom of the lower tube the actual bottom of travel? Or is the bottom of travel some height above the bottom of the lower tube?
Aggressive Street ,S22 vs conti sport attack4 ?
Yet to test a set of the CSA4. Tried to get one for a road and track test, but there was no interest.
S22 bridgestone is a shitty tire it wobbles at speed more than 150km/h, mine is an MT09, and after I changed to the Diablo Rosso 4 the wobble disappears. The tires are not stick to the ground; it is slippery ...
The wobble is chassis geometry. We are in a golden age for tires so I respectfully disagree. The issue is too much weight on the rear wheel and not enough on the front, Getting the DR4 with a bigger circumference helped the issue but did not fix it. To get that done right you need to set preload and damping correctly and manage fork and shock travel. In your case, shock travel is most important. th-cam.com/video/KeZT1LCY8CU/w-d-xo.html
@@catalystreactionsbw i paid premium for your website and settings exactly like you did on your video for MT09 2022, my weight same as your partner the one sit on the bike 80-82kg. It is still wobble, only wobble in front not on the rear. I did change the tire and it isnt wobble anymore, so how do you explain that?
@@PhysicalChessBJJ Thank you for being a Premium subscriber! There is more weight on the front wheel now as the rear is higher. The shock does not travel as far as weight is more forward. This helps substantially. As you also have the fork and shock rebound much more controlled via settings, this is another significant step in the right direction.
@@catalystreactionsbw thanks for your reply, let me try it. I was trying your settings leaving 2 lines of preload and other setting such as high & low speed compression + rebound same as your video. As you see, the sag is quite difficult to measure as it leaves no static sag at all.
@@PhysicalChessBJJ The fact that static sag is gone is the 100% confirmation that you need a stronger spring provided that the shock gets 1-2mm from the rubber bumper with travel used.
S22 or RS10 for dry street canyon riding only early cool mornings?
IMHO I would choose S22 as I prefer that carcass for feedback.
Hey Dave what is the optimal temp for the s22 tires?
At what temp will I feel them start to get "greasy"?
Thanks again for all you do.
Greasy is hot for the tyre BUT can also be the track surface being hot and oil coming to the surface so be careful to distinguish each one. Some tracks are known for low grip over XF/C, so that data point is essential. For the S22 when measured in your pit post session, the soft edges need to be 150F minimum and over 190F the tire has less grip.
@@catalystreactionsbw great info thanks!
I'm subscribing to your total access as I would really like to learn this aspect of tuning a bike as well.
Have you done a comparison of the s22 and the Rosso 3 for track use?
@@deweysturgill6220 Not the Rosso 3. I find that tire is really hard to dial in at the track as the softest compound always wears quickly unless pressure is low. The Rosso 2 seems to be far better overall and last longer. I have only tuned one Rosso 4 on a hot day, nothing yet with Winter weather. I hope you enjoy Total Access and thanks for your support by subscribing.
@@catalystreactionsbw Where can we find sources for info just like this?
@@LAGman91 Contact Patch playlist has all the information on tyre wear you will need. Technical data on temps/pressures etc can be acquired from the manufacturer.
Hi Dave, S22 tires came with my 2022 MT10 SP, what psi do I run for hard street and canyon rides? 30 30? Thanks
As there is no information on your weight, minimum for track is 32 front and 30 rear on a 75F day with an advanced rider at 180lbs. Based on that baseline, you can do some testing.
@@catalystreactionsbw thanks Dave, we’ll do some preload measurements tomorrow also, I’m around 68kg without gear and currently riding on leathers. Seems like my rear preload is too soft.
@@catalystreactionsbw by the way temps here do not drop below 30C, it’s usually at 32 to 40C and very stupidly humid lately. :(
@@motorjack141 Check fork and shock travel used for verification once you have your static and rider numbers.
@@catalystreactionsbw thanks boss Dave, front has 1” left but rear seems to be bottomed out, didn’t feel any slips so probably just barely bottomed out. Probably didn’t take into account the suit weight as we measured before using no gear. 🤷🏻♂️