I wish I could thumb this up again after watching. After finding what tire works best for me and now helping me know why. Great info!! Thanks again Dave! God bless dave moss tuning🙏
Bridgestone has the RS11 as their track-oriented tire to compare with the TD, Q4, etc. Awesome vid as always.. made me jump over to the website and re-subscribe to premium to watch the rest unfold :)
Bought a KTM 890R used, 2400 miles. It had the original front power cup2 and a q3 on the rear. Replaced the rear with a brand new pc2. I've never been a Michelin guy, road raced for thirteen years. Don't know if it's the tires, the bike, or both but, this is the best handling motorcycle I've ever ridden. Plus I was able to do two track days and there's still good tread on the rear. The Q4s I was running on my '09 cbr600rr the rear was good for about a day and a half.
Like most, depends on how you ride/is set up. Anyone can kill a set in a session and complain about how bad they are and buy another right afterwards but financially it isn't the best but people do it all the time.
Michelin has produced an excellent tire with the PC2. It is surprising a lot of riders and the feedback from riders like you is driving more sales (rightly so).
Thanks Dave. I paused at the list you had at the start and that alone made me give this a big thumbs up! A perfect list for each individual’s requirements. 👍😎🇦🇺
I just replaced my pirelli angel gt2's with my 3rd set of Michelin pilot road 5's. Just ran past 600 miles on them still testing the waters - my riding style has grown since I had them last.
So after 8 months of posting this, what is your opinion now between the road5 and the gt2? I'm considering the gt2 now, I rode the road5 2 years ago. They were great.
Nor have you any idea how it has been stored, that tyre is useful for the outside of a dart board. Shame you didn't include a Metzeler M9RR or the Continental Contisportsattack 3 The Metzeler, is a bit like the Pirelli (strange that !) and the Conti more Bridgestone in its feel (harder carcase). I've just fitted a set of P5 to my K1300R, as summer is allegedly coming ! Even after 50 miles they're gripping well.
I found that fascinating. Am I sad? As much as Mr Moss is trying to help and educate it starts to fry your brain . Suspension , geometry , tread pattern , softness ,pressure ,diameter, temperature...... my head hurts Dave . Great vid though
10:40 in terms of actual tire width, on wanted a wider looking rear tire on my 02 vtr1000 superhawk, but only had 5.5" rim with oem for 180. So I researched for 5.5's and saw that Dunlop Q2 180-50 for a 5.5 - 6" rim would actually be widest at about 188mm rather than the 180 spec. And DID look great.
This is good stuff! I would have loved to have this a couple weeks ago when I was looking into mounting something other than a Q3 on my DRZ! I wound up going with a Q3 rear and a Q4 front. Feels good so far!
Just watched this on premium... exactly what I was thinking I was feeling with the difference between the q3 and Michelin. Dunlop has everything I've ever wanted with the q3s especially since I commute 100m highway a day minimum
There is so much confusion and misunderstanding about proper tires and proper heat of each tire, and how much heat required for optimal traction and use. So many buying more tire than needed actually hindering their riding performance. I've researched so much looking for my next set of tires and I've learned so much in general as well as from Dave and I think most every Rider does not do themself due diligence learning about their tires. I'm thoroughly enjoying S22's after researching and seeing way more glowing reviews for them and not nearly as much for Power 5's after I learned Power 2's were discontinued. So I'm still wondering about Power 5's, although I'm thinking even Road 5's and T31's would likely be sufficient even for aggressive street riding only since it seems they actually warm up easier and faster to plenty of heat providing plenty of aggressive reaction and likely wouldn't even overheat thereby possibly being a better option rather than needing to generate more heat to get the Powers and S series to optimal hear. Eventually maybe they'll get it to only 3 choices with tire advancements technology and eliminating so much more guesswork of which is the exact one I need? Is it an actual possibility that only on streets a skilled talented rider could actually outperform or outride the Road 5's or T31's, etc? Making them a very safe option.
Hi Dave! I would let you know i found your video extremely detailed and still understandable and enjoyable. I ended up with Premium subscription on your page, i think this is a well done intro job from you. Thanks!
My recent favorite is the Metzeler M7 RR. Similar feel and performance to the Q3+ but they are slightly less expensive and I get a little extra mileage. They also offer rear sizing up to 200/55, where Dunlop does not for the Q3+
2:50Power 5s are nice but don't offer noticeable more grip than Road 5s but wear out 3x faster. Imo the Road 5 is easily passable in this group of tyres. 8:24 This really explains why the S22s have problems with front tyre wear. They're far softer especially in comparison with the rears. Probably the reason why everyone complains that the fronts are gone when the rear is still fine, especially if they commute a lot.
I ride them on a Street Triple 675 and by the looks I believe I will be through 2 rears by the time I need to change the front. Hard to imagine the front wearing down first.
And so the grooves aren't just for water dispersal but actually to allow for flex and movement to help generate heat? Interesting. And a little extra night or teeth? Also Interesting and def makes sense.
9:20 speaking of cold mornings, how much do YOU throttle it back and soften your riding aggression in cold ambient and on cold streets vs your normal riding with warm/hot temps? And in rain or wet?
That "old" tire was in as good of shape as it was because it is Ozone and UV that hurts tires. If you have tires you are going to store keep them out of the sun, like black trash bags. This is why you see trailers and RV's with covers on their tires.
Hi Dave, what would you recommend for British weather,? I’ve got a k4 gsxr 600 which is currently running battlax bt23, I only really ride in nice weather but being in the north west sometimes caught out by the rain. I do a lot of motorway miles and commuting but weekends I like to go on the twisties.
What is The best Power 5 tyre pressure on aggressive street riding in Irish weather for Yamaha R1 2015 model? I went through a few sets of Power 5 got out from rear 6500km and front 9000km running them 35psi front and rear 32psi What would be the right pressure? And is it okay to use Road5 on rear and leave Power5 at the front. just want get more km out and not to loose a grip?
the rs10 and now the rs11 fit this. what nothing on the Bridgestone. seems odd to not include the rs11. I've ran all these tires and frankly the rs10 and rs11 performed as good if not better for much cheaper
Blimey - that wasn't my intent. Hoped you might pick one thing and go with it such as soft or hard carcass - what do you want? Feedback all the time (hard) or a quiet smooth ride (soft). Start there. If you want to multitask, sharp profile for aggressive street or flatter profile for recreational/commuting?
Yeah I was the one screaming at the screen also. One of the biggest names really, only makes motorcycle tires, m7rr has probably outsold all of these, and they don't include the M9, crazyyyyy. The M9 have been incredible for me
i am ready for change the tyres on my tracer 900 and i think i put michelin power 5 for daily use and some fast weekends commuting on roads.Are you recommend this? Thanks!
If you have a set of these older dot's, I'd take them any day. You can have a lot of fun on older tires and even overtake safely on track, so I wouldn't throw them out immediately. Do you have to leave plenty of headroom, yes obviously. Do you need to push on 10 year old tires, absolutely not. th-cam.com/video/pGmYATY9MLI/w-d-xo.html
Dave! when you were comparing front tyre height you said that with q3 (the taller one) the bike wont turn but it will easily turn with the power 5( the shorter one). Why this??
A larger tyre takes longer to go through one rotation. It also lifts the front of the bike up higher altering geometry. A shorter circumference tyre puts more weight on the forks and that helps the bike turn faster. Hope this explanation helps!
@@catalystreactionsbw yes but lets say that on the same geometry i put the sharp rosso corsa 2 pair and after i put the round power 5 pair. Shouldnt pirreli be faster on turning due to more triangular shape??
13:40 dangit. Really want to but I'm struggling to simply not even need to sell bike, much less afford nonessentials despite how much I'd like to ugghhh fml
Waaaayyyy too complicated and convoluted for me. I like my Diablos they grip well in the bends and I’ve used them for years on the road now. For me, suspension setups like you’ve taught me in previous vids make all the difference to mind being on the road and not thinking about the bike below me. Obviously track days would be a different ball game but for the road...... meh.
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I wish I could thumb this up again after watching. After finding what tire works best for me and now helping me know why. Great info!! Thanks again Dave! God bless dave moss tuning🙏
Bridgestone has the RS11 as their track-oriented tire to compare with the TD, Q4, etc. Awesome vid as always.. made me jump over to the website and re-subscribe to premium to watch the rest unfold :)
I’m a fan of the Power RS tire. I just bought a new set of Power GPs for my 09 R1. Can’t wait to try them out.
The consumate professional. Always fair, humble, sweats the details. Thanks for this, and for all the help you provide the community.
Thank you for taking a moment to share your appreciation!
this is what i needed as I'm due to buy a new set of tyres.
Bought a KTM 890R used, 2400 miles. It had the original front power cup2 and a q3 on the rear. Replaced the rear with a brand new pc2. I've never been a Michelin guy, road raced for thirteen years. Don't know if it's the tires, the bike, or both but, this is the best handling motorcycle I've ever ridden. Plus I was able to do two track days and there's still good tread on the rear. The Q4s I was running on my '09 cbr600rr the rear was good for about a day and a half.
Like most, depends on how you ride/is set up. Anyone can kill a set in a session and complain about how bad they are and buy another right afterwards but financially it isn't the best but people do it all the time.
Michelin has produced an excellent tire with the PC2. It is surprising a lot of riders and the feedback from riders like you is driving more sales (rightly so).
Thanks Dave. I paused at the list you had at the start and that alone made me give this a big thumbs up! A perfect list for each individual’s requirements. 👍😎🇦🇺
Brilliant as always mate.
Think of the effort that goes into these videos. He can tune your suspension remotely from anywhere in the world so get it done. DAVE MOSS YOU LEGEND.
I just replaced my pirelli angel gt2's with my 3rd set of Michelin pilot road 5's.
Just ran past 600 miles on them still testing the waters - my riding style has grown since I had them last.
So after 8 months of posting this, what is your opinion now between the road5 and the gt2? I'm considering the gt2 now, I rode the road5 2 years ago. They were great.
Your insights and methodology are very comprehensive, Dave! 👍🏼
Appreciate that, thanks!
Hi dave! could you make a video like this also with Continental and Metzeler?
Nor have you any idea how it has been stored, that tyre is useful for the outside of a dart board.
Shame you didn't include a Metzeler M9RR or the Continental Contisportsattack 3
The Metzeler, is a bit like the Pirelli (strange that !) and the Conti more Bridgestone in its feel (harder carcase).
I've just fitted a set of P5 to my K1300R, as summer is allegedly coming ! Even after 50 miles they're gripping well.
Great video as usual. Just watched it with my premium access. Cannot wait for the Ep 2.
I found that fascinating. Am I sad? As much as Mr Moss is trying to help and educate it starts to fry your brain . Suspension , geometry , tread pattern , softness ,pressure ,diameter, temperature...... my head hurts Dave . Great vid though
I'm using Pirelli Rosso 4's, would be interesting to see the difference to them and the 2's. Very good content.
10:40 in terms of actual tire width, on wanted a wider looking rear tire on my 02 vtr1000 superhawk, but only had 5.5" rim with oem for 180. So I researched for 5.5's and saw that Dunlop Q2 180-50 for a 5.5 - 6" rim would actually be widest at about 188mm rather than the 180 spec. And DID look great.
Amazing. Cannot wait for PT2
This is good stuff! I would have loved to have this a couple weeks ago when I was looking into mounting something other than a Q3 on my DRZ! I wound up going with a Q3 rear and a Q4 front. Feels good so far!
Just watched this on premium... exactly what I was thinking I was feeling with the difference between the q3 and Michelin. Dunlop has everything I've ever wanted with the q3s especially since I commute 100m highway a day minimum
There is so much confusion and misunderstanding about proper tires and proper heat of each tire, and how much heat required for optimal traction and use. So many buying more tire than needed actually hindering their riding performance. I've researched so much looking for my next set of tires and I've learned so much in general as well as from Dave and I think most every Rider does not do themself due diligence learning about their tires. I'm thoroughly enjoying S22's after researching and seeing way more glowing reviews for them and not nearly as much for Power 5's after I learned Power 2's were discontinued. So I'm still wondering about Power 5's, although I'm thinking even Road 5's and T31's would likely be sufficient even for aggressive street riding only since it seems they actually warm up easier and faster to plenty of heat providing plenty of aggressive reaction and likely wouldn't even overheat thereby possibly being a better option rather than needing to generate more heat to get the Powers and S series to optimal hear. Eventually maybe they'll get it to only 3 choices with tire advancements technology and eliminating so much more guesswork of which is the exact one I need?
Is it an actual possibility that only on streets a skilled talented rider could actually outperform or outride the Road 5's or T31's, etc? Making them a very safe option.
Hi Dave! I would let you know i found your video extremely detailed and still understandable and enjoyable. I ended up with Premium subscription on your page, i think this is a well done intro job from you. Thanks!
Thank you Akos!
Great content as always , Thank you👍🏻
My recent favorite is the Metzeler M7 RR. Similar feel and performance to the Q3+ but they are slightly less expensive and I get a little extra mileage. They also offer rear sizing up to 200/55, where Dunlop does not for the Q3+
Thumbed up before i even watched
Metelzer M 7/9 ?
Its "Mish-lah", courtesy of my French Grandma!
Thaks for the knowledge!
the biggest gain you can make in lap times is by using the right tyres and Dave has forgotten more about tyres’s than most people know
2:50Power 5s are nice but don't offer noticeable more grip than Road 5s but wear out 3x faster. Imo the Road 5 is easily passable in this group of tyres.
8:24 This really explains why the S22s have problems with front tyre wear. They're far softer especially in comparison with the rears. Probably the reason why everyone complains that the fronts are gone when the rear is still fine, especially if they commute a lot.
I ride them on a Street Triple 675 and by the looks I believe I will be through 2 rears by the time I need to change the front. Hard to imagine the front wearing down first.
Awesome, as always !
Excellent stuff, subbed 😎
Great video 👍🏻
And so the grooves aren't just for water dispersal but actually to allow for flex and movement to help generate heat? Interesting. And a little extra night or teeth? Also Interesting and def makes sense.
Thanks for the video, why everybody pronounce Michelin the wrong way, why, why!
Technically the Diablo Rosso 3/4
9:20 speaking of cold mornings, how much do YOU throttle it back and soften your riding aggression in cold ambient and on cold streets vs your normal riding with warm/hot temps? And in rain or wet?
My name is...
DAVE MOSS
That "old" tire was in as good of shape as it was because it is Ozone and UV that hurts tires. If you have tires you are going to store keep them out of the sun, like black trash bags. This is why you see trailers and RV's with covers on their tires.
Hi Dave, what would you recommend for British weather,? I’ve got a k4 gsxr 600 which is currently running battlax bt23, I only really ride in nice weather but being in the north west sometimes caught out by the rain. I do a lot of motorway miles and commuting but weekends I like to go on the twisties.
BT23 is a hard carcass tyre so 34 to 38 would be the starting pressures based on a sunny over overcast NW day.
What is The best Power 5 tyre pressure on aggressive street riding in Irish weather for Yamaha R1 2015 model?
I went through a few sets of Power 5 got out from rear 6500km and front 9000km running them 35psi front and rear 32psi What would be the right pressure? And is it okay to use Road5 on rear and leave Power5 at the front. just want get more km out and not to loose a grip?
the rs10 and now the rs11 fit this. what nothing on the Bridgestone. seems odd to not include the rs11. I've ran all these tires and frankly the rs10 and rs11 performed as good if not better for much cheaper
Agreed - it is a great tyre from a great brand and we simply did not have the budget for this.
Is there a durometer check AFTER they’re mounted and used, to see what curing the tyre has done to the compound?
We can do that - great idea!
The Bridgestone rs-10 and 11 is a hypersport tire. You've even done track day tests on them raving about them.
But they are designed towards track use. This list is towards street use
Oh crikey, you give me too much to worry about. Lol.
Blimey - that wasn't my intent. Hoped you might pick one thing and go with it such as soft or hard carcass - what do you want? Feedback all the time (hard) or a quiet smooth ride (soft). Start there. If you want to multitask, sharp profile for aggressive street or flatter profile for recreational/commuting?
@@catalystreactionsbw all’s good Dave, learning all the time. Surely you not lost our Brit humour yet?
@@BarnettSpeedSuzukiThou Not at all, but with thousands of emails and comments to answer accurately a week, sometimes it gets put in the corner :)
1:20 that's hilarious
I don't want the tire but if i had a bike to sell, I'd put it on.
Metzeler m9?
Yeah I was the one screaming at the screen also. One of the biggest names really, only makes motorcycle tires, m7rr has probably outsold all of these, and they don't include the M9, crazyyyyy. The M9 have been incredible for me
We only had so many sets of wheels. What makes you think this is the only tire test we will do?
@@catalystreactionsbw you will do more tests i hope. Could like to se how metzeler tyre will do in the test.
@@janrobertnielsen2329 Ys, 4 more sets on the next test Metzeler will be one.
i am ready for change the tyres on my tracer 900 and i think i put michelin power 5 for daily use and some fast weekends commuting on roads.Are you recommend this?
Thanks!
I really liked those tires within 10 miles of riding them. Good combination of profile and carcass.
I am premium now 😋 Power GP vs rosso corsa 2 , Which one is the best?
I personally would choose the Rosso II for the carcass and slightly better longevity for the street.
If you have a set of these older dot's, I'd take them any day. You can have a lot of fun on older tires and even overtake safely on track, so I wouldn't throw them out immediately. Do you have to leave plenty of headroom, yes obviously. Do you need to push on 10 year old tires, absolutely not.
th-cam.com/video/pGmYATY9MLI/w-d-xo.html
You can push quite fine... but the limit is reached sooner than if it was fresh and sticky.
Dave! when you were comparing front tyre height you said that with q3 (the taller one) the bike wont turn but it will easily turn with the power 5( the shorter one). Why this??
A larger tyre takes longer to go through one rotation. It also lifts the front of the bike up higher altering geometry. A shorter circumference tyre puts more weight on the forks and that helps the bike turn faster. Hope this explanation helps!
@@catalystreactionsbw yes but lets say that on the same geometry i put the sharp rosso corsa 2 pair and after i put the round power 5 pair. Shouldnt pirreli be faster on turning due to more triangular shape??
@@nikos.kouts3 In that case based on profile, yes.
@@catalystreactionsbw thanks i get it!
I wouldn't be measuring the height or width of an unmounted tire, that's fundamentally flawed, just saying. Wily Vass would never do that lol
13:40 dangit. Really want to but I'm struggling to simply not even need to sell bike, much less afford nonessentials despite how much I'd like to ugghhh fml
Did Dunlop Q3+ coexist with Q4? I thought Q3+ was phased out in order to introduce Q4 as its replacement.
The Q4 is not replacing the Q3+. The Q4 is aimed for the track and the Q3+ is a street tire.
Why test a tire that is 11 years old?
This are the tires most riders buy. Round 2 will have other brands.
No Shinko....??😒....I feel rather deflated...😏
This is test #1........ be patient.
Waaaayyyy too complicated and convoluted for me. I like my Diablos they grip well in the bends and I’ve used them for years on the road now. For me, suspension setups like you’ve taught me in previous vids make all the difference to mind being on the road and not thinking about the bike below me. Obviously track days would be a different ball game but for the road...... meh.