@@neofulcrum5013His DNA was always on Earth, part of his employment records. It’s his _memories_ that were beamed “back to corporate” before the big fight is what you mean. They have had the tech to neural map everything in the human brain as part of the Avatar program.
According to official behind the scenes material, Netayam is 15, so factor in however long na'vi pregnancy is probably ~16 years later in universe 14 years is the real world timeline for how long it took to make the movie after the first. Netayam was probably conceived at the tree of souls scene in the first movie since he's older than Kiri who at the latest was conceived while her avatar body was connected to Eywa if we run with the no na'vi or avatar father was involved theory.
Colonel Quaritch became one of my favorite movie villains of all time. I liked him in the first movie, no doubt, but Way of Water gave him as a Recom more depth
@@ToiletGrenade I hope so too. I think he may realize that he doesn’t have to be like his human counterpart. Perhaps Spider sparing him will show Quaritch humanity in the Navi ways.
Is it wrong for me to wish that when Quaritch picked up his human skull, he had said “alas, poor Quaritch. I knew me well”? Or something along those lines? This actually sent chills through my spine when I saw this scene for the first time. It’s quite haunting when you think about it long enough.
I mean if the character had been established to be a comic relief character, or at least having a sense of dark humor, then yes that would've been appropriate. But since they made him such a 2 dimensional character, of the kind that had their sense of humor surgically removed to make room for more Ooorah Marineness, it would be very out of place. UNLESS, the entire arc of his character, once he was in the new body, is that he's beginning to find humor and joy in things. Like if that had been an increasing trend, where he would see something, or remark to a conversation with a joke, or light comeback. Sort of like how Captain Barbossa, after coming back from the land of the dead, and having a body again, was a VERY humorous character. Because he had zero fucks to give anymore. He knew what awaited him in death, and he didn't fear it. So he RELISHED every moment of life he had, to it's fullest. That's why he's laughing like a lunatic in the riggings, when they are trying to flip the ship to get to Davy Jones' Locker. Everyone is in mortal terror, he's just laughing and swinging around, not a care in the world. If they had given his character that kind of development, that this rebirth, and 2nd chance from death, literally remade him, and he started to find joy again, then yeah, him picking up his old skull and making that comment, would be entirely fitting. But they didn't, so, while that's a great image, it would've been out of place. 😁
@@happyninja42 yeah, I was kinda looking for the dark sense of humour side of it in all honesty anyway. It is a shame but you are right about it being out of place.
@@geminiamethyst7059 Yeah I would actually have liked that. To have the character have a real fundamental shift in personality after having a 2nd life. There are other characters in media that do that, and the ones that have a change of heart about their old life, and reflect that change by sort of casually mocking/joking about their old life and it's priorities, have always been some of my personal favorite characters. The ones that see how silly they used to be, worrying about things that ultimately don't matter, and can mock themselves in so doing. When they do finally just turn, it's usually very cathartic, at least for me anyway.
i think he don't know yet how his older self died, since during the upload he was still alive, but after seeing his skull with neytiri's arrow he correctly deduced it was neytiri who killed him
@@doxielain2231 There was. Skipped it entirely and didn't even see videos of it. Apperantly that was a mistake, though, cause folks are saying the game was really good! 😐 Hope it's available on Steam.
Probably also remembers all the safety briefings his original self gave out to new arrivals on Pandora and hated the idea that his original self was killed by arrows dipped in the native neurotoxins that he warned the human personnel in Hell’s Gate of
Somehow enjoyed the villain more than the protagonist, dude basically had an existential moment and still continued to be who he is, even in the end when his son is threatened shows actual care for him trying to play off as if he doesn’t care.
I've never been a fan of the Avatar movies. But I will admit, the scene of him crushing the skull of his former self is pure art. Easily best moment in the franchise for me so far.
He may have seen the video how his predecessor died. But does not know how it got to that point. How the tied turned in the Na'vis' favor in the battle.
May be a long shot but does anyone know if this scenes music is posted anywhere on its own?? That sting when Quaritch touches the arrow makes me go craaazy but i cant find it anywhere in the posted versions of the ost :")
How did this movie make 2 billion? In movies now, no one ever dies. It's the stuff of people with no imagination. No wonder Disney and Warner are in a competition to see who can reach zero net worth first.
I mean... they killed one of Jake's kids. That was like, the climax of the movie. The film opened on his birth and ended with his funeral. He very much died. Plus, even though Quaritch came back, others that died in the first movie didn't: Trudy didn't, Tsu'tey didn't, Eykutan didn't - Grace didn't (although Sigourney Weaver now plays her daughter, so YMMV). There's a lot to criticise about modern cinema, but this doesn't make much sense as a criticism for Avatar 2.
I fucking *LOVE* how after seeing the footage of Neytiri killing his human self, Quaritch becomes visibly afraid of the woman. He’s afraid of going through the process of dying at the hands of what he views as a primitive savage. He may not remember how his death felt but he certainly does not want to die again ( 1:10 look at the *FEAR* in his eyes) Also you can clearly see throughout the movie how Quaritch tries to “man up” He tries to bury the fear and face Neytiri to kill her, to get her back for what he saw as her putting him in this new Avatar body. The only reason I don’t out right hate Quaritch’s character anymore is because we get to see him be *tormented* in this movie. We see him try to connect with his son but Spider rejects him at every turn. He doesn’t acknowledge it but he ends up more Na’vi than human by the time the movie ends. I mean, he even has his own Ikran now XD What I’m trying to say is that I hope we see more of this bastard of a character be tormented in the future films. Gotta repay his misdeeds somehow
Considering how loyal his Ikran was, it might’ve changed Quaritch’s view on Pandaora’s wildlife. In many ways, the Ikran became a part of his squad and stood by him all the way, much like Jake’s did even after he was exiled from the Omaticaya, which led to Jake taming a Turok, then becoming Turok Makto.
The main villain is really General Ardmore now, but I like this version of Quaritch so much more. He's far less two dimensional and his mission is a lot more personal now. It's a vast improvement.
Probably because they lost the battle trying to reach the Tree of Souls, costing many lives and whether he wanted to admit it or not, he realized he sent them off to die. I wonder if he realized “All of this for a stupid rock”? I just wonder. Or that was he just venting out his failure.
I did not have much faith in this film but starting it out by putting the colonial general in charge of warring with the native people into the body of an alien warrior after his death and having him continue his war, adapt, accept and overcome his new life was a bloody fascinating idea.
I'm still astonished to see someone as ruthless and battle-hardened as Quaritch react with fear upon seeing Neytiri's arrows. The very same ones that struck him down in the first film. Although it does make sense in an obvious context, I've never viewed Quaritch as the type who scares easily, for any reason.
What's different? The atoms and the build. What's the same? Memories and personality. Here's the thing, with the exception of teeth, you have basically none of the atoms you used to 7 years ago. You probably have a very different build to what you had as a kid. The only thing you've got in common with your past self is memories and personality.
I haven't seen the movie, but seeing the same "bad guy" didn't interest me. Is no one creative enough to create interesting characters and only reuse old ones?
Like most of the goings-on in James Cameron's crappy Avatar universe, where everything is a rip-off of something, this is a rip-off of something that happened in Swamp Thing.
All art rips off what came before. It doesn't just emerge out of a vacuum. It’s a resynthesis of everything the person has been exposed to up to that point in their lives.The key is blending all those influences together and repackaging them into something distinct enough to stand on its own in the time it was made. Avatar definitely does that and whether you like these movies are not is irrelevant. They're iconic and recognizable to millions of people around the world.
@@tronam As collages of blatant ripoffs. James Cameron films; don't make me laugh. Movie making is not an ancient artform and human imagination is not 'a vaccuum'. Many of the things he/ the contributers rip off came from that thing you call 'a vacuum'. They weren't actually there before and somebody before James Cameron did,actually, dream them up. Movies like Avatar and John Wick 4 are just unimaginative collages of ripoffs. There's very little original imagination in Hollywood or Disney movie making, any more. They present people with what they think 'works'. It's just chewing gum for the eyes.
He knows he is not the original. Clone Trooper Q, that's what I call him. Only has copied memories of his predecessor. He has no idea how the Battle for the Tree of Souls went. None of them do. Clone Trooper Weinfleet doesn't know that the original died screaming. That video footage of him seeing that could have been amusing.
Idc what anyone says I have to see this flick. Quaritch had a son and an Avatar body. But let the record show that the statement above is not the sole reason for my yearning to view the film.
The navii are a lot bigger than us. So guns would be proportional. A .50 cal to them would be like a .22 for us if you think about it. Defending against a species that large would be difficult given how their regular weapons would be of a caliber that could penetrate much of our armor
I mean the dude was a real @sshole. But seeing the skeletal remains of someone is tough I think even if you are an experienced soldier. But seeing your own remains can be incredibly bad and....honestly I can't find words for it. I think I would have gone insane there.
“WE ARE THE RDA ELITE WE HAVE A MOMENT OF OPPORTUNITY, WE WILL EXPLOIT IT! THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT HAVE CHANGED! we must go behind enemy line to secure a hostage…TROOPS PREPARE TO MOVE OUT!”
First...they broadcast the user brain into the avatar brain. Have the user mind inside the avatar mind. This broadcast have no limit, its planet wide. Next, they....plug the user brain n avatar brain into a tree...then move the entirety of the user brain content into the avatar brain....I wonder if its like copying a file. Do the original thought exist in the user brain? Does it got deleted instead like deleting a file copy? Or does the thought got physically moved from user brain into avatar brain? Then, the user...upload his brain into computer. Original User thought still alive. Later on, the upload is inserted into an avatar n live in the avatar while the original user is ded. So, question. Assume that Alive means an active body with a soul. So, one could argue that Avatar Jake is alive n that his soul is transferred from his original body into avatar body. However....Avatar Quaritch is arguably an biological robot...whose CPU is run by a brain and software copied from the once-living-Quaritch. So, arguably, Avatar Quaritch isnt alive....
This theory is also in alignment with Star Trek's transporters... it disassembles your body to individual atoms, turns that into a data stream, and then is relayed to the rematerialization end, and reassemble with that data. Is this new you still you? is the old you now destroyed and the new you just a copy? You're not made of your original matter/atoms, so how can this be the original body you had?
How the hell did Quarrich get into a new body? He would have had to have been hard wired into the new body by the tree, Grace’s equipment couldn’t have done it as it didn’t do it in the first movie. And don’t tell me they “scanned” him and made a copy of his mind, that possibility wasn’t even hinted at in the first movie, plus he was already dead.
I didn't watch this garbage pile of a movie, but I think they basically did scan a copy of his mind, but it was done off camera during the time line of the first movie, aka before he died. And you are right, this is tech that was never hinted at in the first movie, but thought up in the writer's room to bring this walking shit pile of a character back for a second round to join his son who also wasn't hinted at in the first movie.
@@LucianDevine SPOILER ALERT . . . . . . . . . They did copy his mind, a kind of back up so to speak. The movie is basically a copy and paste of the first one so you're not missing much. They completely gutted Jake's character and made him some sniveling 😺 who spends a majority of the movie running from Quaritch. The Humans return obviously and somehow manage to get a full sized city base up and running in a few days. They replace Quaritch with a female version who does literally the exact same things as the original Quaritch, down to drinking coffee on the exact same gunship in the exact same mannerisms. I mean this Humanity is capable of transferring consciousness and torturing people by directly reading their memories so it's not entirely impossible that they could copy Quaritchs memories and make a new version, but it's kind of meh. It's better than Star Wars with the *"somehow, Palpatine returned"* bs. Basically before the original Quaritch went to fight Jake in the finale scene of the last movie, the corporation copied his mind up to that point. Unobtintainium, the driving mineral for Humanity in the first movie is obsolete, like it doesn't even exist anymore, instead Humanity spends a majority of their time now hunting alien Wales for some kind nectar that apparently stops aging. These Wales are apparently *"more intelligent"* than the Human or Na'vi and apparently are pacifists who would watch the classic Human bad guys slaughter their kind instead of fighting back. Going so far as to outcast those who decided to fight back against Humanity in some stupid religion or something. Idk. Y'know, classic copy and paste *ooooh Humanity bad guys with guns* BS. Anyway the movie ends with Jake basically saying he can't run from the Humans anymore and decides to fight back. So basically the first 90% of the first movie, only they left out the final battle. Except Jake was already fighting the Humans in the first hour of the movie, but decided for whatever reason to stop and run. Hoping to protect the people like homie didn't just kick ass in the first movie and throw Humanity off Pandora single handedly. He acts entirely out of character it's almost a different character. We all know from the first movie Jake would've been taking ass and kicking names but in this one he's literally nothing. Like as if the first movie never happened. Instead Jake spends literally all of his time trying to keep his children in check as they flee and integrate with the ocean clans. Anyway he fails and his son gets killed because Lo'ak is a dumbass who doesn't listen and his brother dies as a result. Could also be that Jake treated his family like a squadron and had his children fight against the invaders, which in of itself is questionable at times. Like no teenager is going to be wielding machine guns and flying on pterodactyls. Nor should any teenager grow up basically in a warzone like Jake literally comes from Earth and he integrates with the Na'vi so badly that he literally turns his kids into soldiers 😂 The rest of the movie is meh. The lady in charge of the attack basically says Humanity is dying and Pandora is it's new home. The only sad part is when Neteyam died, but that's about it. It's just a copy and paste of the first movie, same actors and all. Blue Quaritch looks like he might be redeemed and join Jake in fighting the Humans later on but honestly who knows. I expect the next movie to be a copy and paste too, what else can they do except drag out the war against Humanity for another few movies while introducing a magical world. The only thing the second movie is good at is being a wallpaper everytime you pause it to go take a dump. Other than that it's almost worse than the first one.
I thought Avatar 2 was visually amazing. But the plot was a little lazy. Having Quaritch as the villain again seemed lazy. And it was never super clear why Quaritch was still so hell bent on getting Jake.
If you thought that was lazy, then I"m sure you're aware of Star Wars last trilogy, such as with its copy & paste of the Death Star storyline once again.
@@theburnetts He still has the mission in mind of killing the Na'vi to finally get the needed resources. Plus revenge cause...they kinda killed him? I'd be a bit mad as well if I knew you had killed a previous version of me.
@@kaystephan2610 Also probably a sense of failure because you didn't complete the mission and you lost to the enemy. You're a veteran soldier that emphasized human supremacy with your marshal prowess and superior weapons. Your not done.
I didn't like the explanation for Quaritch's return. When death is virtually unconsequential, life looses value. I think it would have been better if the Quaritch we see die in the first movie was a human avatar body. The pilot Quaritch could have been a quadraplegic, or a brain in a jar, or a disgruntled Na'vi. Any option sounds more interesting that simply backing up your brain digitally and then restore it.
I can’t imagine how haunting that must be, seeing the skeletal remains of ur old body.
Watch Spawn digging out his grave. That can give you another good example
Ehh, you get used to it after a few dozen times.
Not his original body since his mind was copied, but technically his father since he was born from him
the feel we could have , ho god
@@12LoLproductions its more like seeing yourself then seeing your father
It's a shame Quaritch has no memories of this incident. He has no idea how absolutely badass he was fighting in that AMP suit.
In a sense it wasn't him. It was a different person with his face. The vastly different body alone just makes him a separate individual.
Keep in mind, his DNA was sent to Earth BEFORE he died
@@neofulcrum5013His DNA was always on Earth, part of his employment records. It’s his _memories_ that were beamed “back to corporate” before the big fight is what you mean. They have had the tech to neural map everything in the human brain as part of the Avatar program.
@@Ryan_Christopher exactly. So he wouldn’t have memories of this as they were sent back before the death of his human body
I'm pretty sure recom Quaritch automatically assumed he fought like a badass
Dude got shot with arrows the size of lances
Don't forget the na'vi are roughly 10 ft tall. And by human standards that would be a lance
Tipped with a neurotoxin to boot
Well yea...
Ouch
Javelins
I legit love how Quadrich basically watched a TH-cam video of the first film’s final fight.
Actually, it's only 14 years later, not 20. But, a profound moment
According to official behind the scenes material, Netayam is 15, so factor in however long na'vi pregnancy is probably ~16 years later in universe 14 years is the real world timeline for how long it took to make the movie after the first. Netayam was probably conceived at the tree of souls scene in the first movie since he's older than Kiri who at the latest was conceived while her avatar body was connected to Eywa if we run with the no na'vi or avatar father was involved theory.
The longest grudge in history
It was 16 years later
I love how fast they all spring into action when those thanator's show up.
Those are not Thanator's they're solitary. Those were Viper Wolves.
Alas, poor Quaritch, I knew him well.
This is easily one of the coolest villain moments in cinema history.
Colonel Quaritch became one of my favorite movie villains of all time. I liked him in the first movie, no doubt, but Way of Water gave him as a Recom more depth
@@StormX6 For sure. I think by the end of this saga he'll be looked at similarly to how Darth Vader is looked at.
He's a great character fr
@@ToiletGrenade I hope so too. I think he may realize that he doesn’t have to be like his human counterpart. Perhaps Spider sparing him will show Quaritch humanity in the Navi ways.
I only see an antagonist, not a villain.
That's a whole new level of existential dread for him.
Is it wrong for me to wish that when Quaritch picked up his human skull, he had said “alas, poor Quaritch. I knew me well”? Or something along those lines?
This actually sent chills through my spine when I saw this scene for the first time. It’s quite haunting when you think about it long enough.
I mean if the character had been established to be a comic relief character, or at least having a sense of dark humor, then yes that would've been appropriate. But since they made him such a 2 dimensional character, of the kind that had their sense of humor surgically removed to make room for more Ooorah Marineness, it would be very out of place. UNLESS, the entire arc of his character, once he was in the new body, is that he's beginning to find humor and joy in things. Like if that had been an increasing trend, where he would see something, or remark to a conversation with a joke, or light comeback. Sort of like how Captain Barbossa, after coming back from the land of the dead, and having a body again, was a VERY humorous character. Because he had zero fucks to give anymore. He knew what awaited him in death, and he didn't fear it. So he RELISHED every moment of life he had, to it's fullest. That's why he's laughing like a lunatic in the riggings, when they are trying to flip the ship to get to Davy Jones' Locker. Everyone is in mortal terror, he's just laughing and swinging around, not a care in the world. If they had given his character that kind of development, that this rebirth, and 2nd chance from death, literally remade him, and he started to find joy again, then yeah, him picking up his old skull and making that comment, would be entirely fitting. But they didn't, so, while that's a great image, it would've been out of place. 😁
@@happyninja42 yeah, I was kinda looking for the dark sense of humour side of it in all honesty anyway. It is a shame but you are right about it being out of place.
@@geminiamethyst7059 Yeah I would actually have liked that. To have the character have a real fundamental shift in personality after having a 2nd life. There are other characters in media that do that, and the ones that have a change of heart about their old life, and reflect that change by sort of casually mocking/joking about their old life and it's priorities, have always been some of my personal favorite characters. The ones that see how silly they used to be, worrying about things that ultimately don't matter, and can mock themselves in so doing. When they do finally just turn, it's usually very cathartic, at least for me anyway.
Quaritch: _"To be or not. To be - that is the question."_
He went to French Art School of Critics.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
How’d u feel seeing yourself from 20 years ago…. Knowing who you were fighting and who killed you back then…
i think he don't know yet how his older self died, since during the upload he was still alive, but after seeing his skull with neytiri's arrow he correctly deduced it was neytiri who killed him
Quaritch finding his body:😟
Wainfleet searching for his own too:🤨🤨
That would be cool if there was a deleted scene where Wainefleet found his suit and his remains that had been crushed.
If they make another game I will pay through my teeth to get it. The Avatar game is tragically underrated.
I feel like not enough people knew about it, that’s a childhood favorite
@@x8lacksheep ubisoft is making one itll either be hit or miss
there was a game?
@@doxielain2231 There was. Skipped it entirely and didn't even see videos of it.
Apperantly that was a mistake, though, cause folks are saying the game was really good! 😐 Hope it's available on Steam.
U got your wish.
The actor that plays quaritch is great I’ve seen him in a Tv series called terra nova which is good in my opinion
It just hit me now that you brought it up
Shame it was only 1 season, I enjoyed it and then it was just gone
He's not just in terra nova. Dudes is in a lot of movies.
His best role was as Thomas J. “Stonewall” Jackson in “Gods and Generals.”
He’s also a really good victor Sullivan in the uncharted fan movie
Best shot in the movie; 'Quaritch' crushing _his own_ skull. Neat idea, Cameron.
It was Stephen Lang's idea, the guy's who plays him 😁
@@missmist97 Really? Love it!
It gives me immense satisfaction how scared Quaritch is and remains of Neytiri.
What do you mean "remains of Neytiri"? Did you mean remains in an Avatar?
Or that he remembers that Neytiri killed him?
@@CaleeLee-pc1pw Well, he knows the FACT that Neytiri killed him, but he would have no memory of the battle itself.
Probably also remembers all the safety briefings his original self gave out to new arrivals on Pandora and hated the idea that his original self was killed by arrows dipped in the native neurotoxins that he warned the human personnel in Hell’s Gate of
@@Wolf-wc1jsto be fair he was fixated on jake so he might not have been paying attention to neytiri thus his slip up cost him his life.
Somehow enjoyed the villain more than the protagonist, dude basically had an existential moment and still continued to be who he is, even in the end when his son is threatened shows actual care for him trying to play off as if he doesn’t care.
I like when Zdinarsk joked around with Mansk after encountering the viperwolves "no s*it
This is SOMA levels of haunting...
"Congratulations kid, you won the coin toss."
_GOD_ I love SOMA.
I've never been a fan of the Avatar movies. But I will admit, the scene of him crushing the skull of his former self is pure art. Easily best moment in the franchise for me so far.
This opens up a lot of philosophical questions
Like?
It is not quadritch it is a hybrid clone with almost all his memories
But technically it is the but in another body
You must be fun at parties...
If his clone had his memories copied before his final battle, then that means his clone has no memory of his last fight & death.
@@robwebnoid5763 He watches the AMP's recording of the final battle.
He may have seen the video how his predecessor died. But does not know how it got to that point. How the tied turned in the Na'vis' favor in the battle.
love the bro moment between Lo'ak and Spider at 1:37 😆
That must be trippy for the old solider, seeing his long dead corpse like that
Bro it looks so real! It’s hard to believe everything in this scene is cgi.
All except for Spider lol
I laugh at this scene when hes just like omg im really seeing this lol😂😂
Lo'ak: it looks like Avatar but they all army?
Human mind navi body or something
@@sapphiredawn4321 like support Navi or Rda
@@mohdimansaifullizan6193 they upload human minds and memories into a navi tank grown body and become one
@@sapphiredawn4321 oh thats good theory was it ?
@@mohdimansaifullizan6193 nah its from the wiki they call them recombinant meant to be the next gen
Really liked Spider and Lo’ak fanboying over their respective dads duking it out here. And Spider admiring his dad’s amp suit.
maybe in the future quaritch's kid gets the mech... like holy shit who wouldnt want that?
That's where the Thanator's corpse is at
I just realized something about quaritch. He's actually afraid of her arrows. Neyteri's
16 years later, not 20
0:50 The remain of Quaritch's mech
Groos the way he crushes the skull ☠️💀
Never forget the humans were the good guys im these movies.
No they weren't
Humanity first !!!!
@@soulofcinder4748 Humanum aeternum, Terra aeterna, Vivat humanitas
@soulofcinder4748 who cares, James cameron's avatar movies are such trash
Humanity was the good guys, but they tried to genocide omatikayans...
The peacock feather is a fine detail.
The Dead walk, and they want your planet.
His body looked pretty we preserved for laying there 14 years and nothing ate it either
Preserved? It was nothing but a skeleton at that point. Chances are his flesh was eaten by insects.
@@robertisham5279 I saw flesh and a face
@@jasonnester9514no you didn’t
@@hombredetacos ok
Different biologies, things would have a few bites then leave it after getting sick
May be a long shot but does anyone know if this scenes music is posted anywhere on its own?? That sting when Quaritch touches the arrow makes me go craaazy but i cant find it anywhere in the posted versions of the ost :")
How did this movie make 2 billion? In movies now, no one ever dies. It's the stuff of people with no imagination. No wonder Disney and Warner are in a competition to see who can reach zero net worth first.
Zero net worth = $1 trillion?
I mean... they killed one of Jake's kids. That was like, the climax of the movie. The film opened on his birth and ended with his funeral. He very much died.
Plus, even though Quaritch came back, others that died in the first movie didn't: Trudy didn't, Tsu'tey didn't, Eykutan didn't - Grace didn't (although Sigourney Weaver now plays her daughter, so YMMV).
There's a lot to criticise about modern cinema, but this doesn't make much sense as a criticism for Avatar 2.
@@mayfriend2959Trudy is Z-doq in avatar 2, member of quaritch team
@@mayfriend2959Trudy is Z-doq in avatar 2, member of quaritch team
Dead guy back because...plot.
No dead guy back becourse of cloning
I fucking *LOVE* how after seeing the footage of Neytiri killing his human self, Quaritch becomes visibly afraid of the woman. He’s afraid of going through the process of dying at the hands of what he views as a primitive savage. He may not remember how his death felt but he certainly does not want to die again
( 1:10 look at the *FEAR* in his eyes)
Also you can clearly see throughout the movie how Quaritch tries to “man up”
He tries to bury the fear and face Neytiri to kill her, to get her back for what he saw as her putting him in this new Avatar body.
The only reason I don’t out right hate Quaritch’s character anymore is because we get to see him be *tormented* in this movie. We see him try to connect with his son but Spider rejects him at every turn. He doesn’t acknowledge it but he ends up more Na’vi than human by the time the movie ends.
I mean, he even has his own Ikran now XD
What I’m trying to say is that I hope we see more of this bastard of a character be tormented in the future films. Gotta repay his misdeeds somehow
Considering how loyal his Ikran was, it might’ve changed Quaritch’s view on Pandaora’s wildlife. In many ways, the Ikran became a part of his squad and stood by him all the way, much like Jake’s did even after he was exiled from the Omaticaya, which led to Jake taming a Turok, then becoming Turok Makto.
The scan copy of Quaritch feels like a lazy way to reuse a villain rather than create a new one with a new plot instead of rehashing the 1st one
James cameron hasn't been original in years
"Nothing is over while I'm still breathing."
Cameron has always intended to bring Quaritch back
The main villain is really General Ardmore now, but I like this version of Quaritch so much more. He's far less two dimensional and his mission is a lot more personal now. It's a vast improvement.
As a vet, the vary first thing Quaritch would have noticed after waking up. Is how his severe knee and back pain is gone.😂
How many movies does a guy get to crush his own skull in disgust?! 🤣
Probably because they lost the battle trying to reach the Tree of Souls, costing many lives and whether he wanted to admit it or not, he realized he sent them off to die. I wonder if he realized “All of this for a stupid rock”? I just wonder. Or that was he just venting out his failure.
The high and tight haircuts just suspends my disbelief
James Cameron was like I can’t kill Quaritch off🥺🥺🥺 So I decided to bring him back as an avatar😏😏😏
Miles Quaritch...when he observe at his human skull, he was looking at himself...
He was looking at his loss, his failure. His defeat.
Slight title correction. The Way of Water takes place in 2170, 16 years after the end of Avatar in the year 2154.
I did not have much faith in this film but starting it out by putting the colonial general in charge of warring with the native people into the body of an alien warrior after his death and having him continue his war, adapt, accept and overcome his new life was a bloody fascinating idea.
With how bad pandora is, im amazed that there's that much left of him.
I'm still astonished to see someone as ruthless and battle-hardened as Quaritch react with fear upon seeing Neytiri's arrows. The very same ones that struck him down in the first film.
Although it does make sense in an obvious context, I've never viewed Quaritch as the type who scares easily, for any reason.
Honestly that isn't even Quaritch anymore. Just a clone. A different person with the same personality.
What's different? The atoms and the build.
What's the same? Memories and personality.
Here's the thing, with the exception of teeth, you have basically none of the atoms you used to 7 years ago. You probably have a very different build to what you had as a kid. The only thing you've got in common with your past self is memories and personality.
The real Hero...
Or just either the one of another story or badass villian, who was a lot more to him than we think and are excited to know.
I haven't seen the movie, but seeing the same "bad guy" didn't interest me. Is no one creative enough to create interesting characters and only reuse old ones?
Cameron was always intending to bring Quaritch back
Lame ass reply, you should be ashamed for your media illiteracy
Imagine betraying your entire species
For a blue booty
It is the human Colonel Quaritch 😮
Well what's left of him
Your old self
Like most of the goings-on in James Cameron's crappy Avatar universe, where everything is a rip-off of something, this is a rip-off of something that happened in Swamp Thing.
All art rips off what came before. It doesn't just emerge out of a vacuum. It’s a resynthesis of everything the person has been exposed to up to that point in their lives.The key is blending all those influences together and repackaging them into something distinct enough to stand on its own in the time it was made. Avatar definitely does that and whether you like these movies are not is irrelevant. They're iconic and recognizable to millions of people around the world.
@@tronam As collages of blatant ripoffs. James Cameron films; don't make me laugh.
Movie making is not an ancient artform and human imagination is not 'a vaccuum'. Many of the things he/ the contributers rip off came from that thing you call 'a vacuum'. They weren't actually there before and somebody before James Cameron did,actually, dream them up. Movies like Avatar and John Wick 4 are just unimaginative collages of ripoffs.
There's very little original imagination in Hollywood or Disney movie making, any more. They present people with what they think 'works'. It's just chewing gum for the eyes.
Holy Great Mother only 20 years for human Quaritch to decay like that
1:24 to 1:29. I don’t know but the cgi in this part looked bad.
This movie was truly meant to be seen in IMAX 3D.
They didn't even take the dead body back to earth?.
How come humans didn’t evolve into something greenish to blend into our jungle/forest surroundings?
We evolved to blend in with the land. Like sand, dirt and shit.
@@Vohotwikx_Te_Axii_Ayroite Especially blacks evolved to blend with shit
we are onmnivorous persistance hunters who evolved on the savannah. we are are adapted to run our prey down not ambush it. we dont need camo.
Also you can just camouflage yourself with greenery?
He knows he is not the original. Clone Trooper Q, that's what I call him. Only has copied memories of his predecessor. He has no idea how the Battle for the Tree of Souls went. None of them do.
Clone Trooper Weinfleet doesn't know that the original died screaming. That video footage of him seeing that could have been amusing.
The one guys gas mask still works after 14+ years.
And to think that James Cameron included this scene only because Quaritch finding his dead human body was Stephen Lang's idea in the first place.
Idc what anyone says I have to see this flick. Quaritch had a son and an Avatar body. But let the record show that the statement above is not the sole reason for my yearning to view the film.
Duly noted.
This is me like 3 Months after every breakup...
Giving off SOMA vibes with this one. Minus the sentient robots.
The navii are a lot bigger than us. So guns would be proportional.
A .50 cal to them would be like a .22 for us if you think about it.
Defending against a species that large would be difficult given how their regular weapons would be of a caliber that could penetrate much of our armor
Avatar 2 doesn't take place 20 years after the first one, its a 14 year time gap
Blue Alien finds out that he was Thomas J. Stonewall Jackson and George E. Pickett (2023, colorized).
This is why u must bury dead body of ur enemies
“Oh no! I’m a lazy recycled plot device!! Why?????”
😂😂
People like bread and circuses
@@Thunderchild-gz4gc I do, especially buttery cinnamon bread and I like knife throwers.
Is it 20 years later? I thought it was 15
Avatar (2009) very very nice movie 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
The IMAX version of this movie is better than the original version
The fletchings on the arrows are wrong
I mean the dude was a real @sshole. But seeing the skeletal remains of someone is tough I think even if you are an experienced soldier. But seeing your own remains can be incredibly bad and....honestly I can't find words for it. I think I would have gone insane there.
“WE ARE THE RDA ELITE WE HAVE A MOMENT OF OPPORTUNITY, WE WILL EXPLOIT IT! THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT HAVE CHANGED! we must go behind enemy line to secure a hostage…TROOPS PREPARE TO MOVE OUT!”
The forest is filled with scavengers
First...they broadcast the user brain into the avatar brain. Have the user mind inside the avatar mind. This broadcast have no limit, its planet wide.
Next, they....plug the user brain n avatar brain into a tree...then move the entirety of the user brain content into the avatar brain....I wonder if its like copying a file. Do the original thought exist in the user brain? Does it got deleted instead like deleting a file copy? Or does the thought got physically moved from user brain into avatar brain?
Then, the user...upload his brain into computer. Original User thought still alive. Later on, the upload is inserted into an avatar n live in the avatar while the original user is ded.
So, question. Assume that Alive means an active body with a soul.
So, one could argue that Avatar Jake is alive n that his soul is transferred from his original body into avatar body.
However....Avatar Quaritch is arguably an biological robot...whose CPU is run by a brain and software copied from the once-living-Quaritch. So, arguably, Avatar Quaritch isnt alive....
This theory is also in alignment with Star Trek's transporters... it disassembles your body to individual atoms, turns that into a data stream, and then is relayed to the rematerialization end, and reassemble with that data.
Is this new you still you? is the old you now destroyed and the new you just a copy? You're not made of your original matter/atoms, so how can this be the original body you had?
So in a jungle teeming with life nothing ate his dead body?.
How the hell did Quarrich get into a new body? He would have had to have been hard wired into the new body by the tree, Grace’s equipment couldn’t have done it as it didn’t do it in the first movie. And don’t tell me they “scanned” him and made a copy of his mind, that possibility wasn’t even hinted at in the first movie, plus he was already dead.
You obviously didn't watch the movie
I didn't watch this garbage pile of a movie, but I think they basically did scan a copy of his mind, but it was done off camera during the time line of the first movie, aka before he died. And you are right, this is tech that was never hinted at in the first movie, but thought up in the writer's room to bring this walking shit pile of a character back for a second round to join his son who also wasn't hinted at in the first movie.
@@LucianDevine why are you here then b AZZ hater
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They did copy his mind, a kind of back up so to speak. The movie is basically a copy and paste of the first one so you're not missing much. They completely gutted Jake's character and made him some sniveling 😺 who spends a majority of the movie running from Quaritch. The Humans return obviously and somehow manage to get a full sized city base up and running in a few days. They replace Quaritch with a female version who does literally the exact same things as the original Quaritch, down to drinking coffee on the exact same gunship in the exact same mannerisms.
I mean this Humanity is capable of transferring consciousness and torturing people by directly reading their memories so it's not entirely impossible that they could copy Quaritchs memories and make a new version, but it's kind of meh. It's better than Star Wars with the *"somehow, Palpatine returned"* bs.
Basically before the original Quaritch went to fight Jake in the finale scene of the last movie, the corporation copied his mind up to that point. Unobtintainium, the driving mineral for Humanity in the first movie is obsolete, like it doesn't even exist anymore, instead Humanity spends a majority of their time now hunting alien Wales for some kind nectar that apparently stops aging. These Wales are apparently *"more intelligent"* than the Human or Na'vi and apparently are pacifists who would watch the classic Human bad guys slaughter their kind instead of fighting back. Going so far as to outcast those who decided to fight back against Humanity in some stupid religion or something. Idk.
Y'know, classic copy and paste *ooooh Humanity bad guys with guns* BS.
Anyway the movie ends with Jake basically saying he can't run from the Humans anymore and decides to fight back. So basically the first 90% of the first movie, only they left out the final battle. Except Jake was already fighting the Humans in the first hour of the movie, but decided for whatever reason to stop and run. Hoping to protect the people like homie didn't just kick ass in the first movie and throw Humanity off Pandora single handedly. He acts entirely out of character it's almost a different character. We all know from the first movie Jake would've been taking ass and kicking names but in this one he's literally nothing. Like as if the first movie never happened.
Instead Jake spends literally all of his time trying to keep his children in check as they flee and integrate with the ocean clans. Anyway he fails and his son gets killed because Lo'ak is a dumbass who doesn't listen and his brother dies as a result. Could also be that Jake treated his family like a squadron and had his children fight against the invaders, which in of itself is questionable at times. Like no teenager is going to be wielding machine guns and flying on pterodactyls. Nor should any teenager grow up basically in a warzone like Jake literally comes from Earth and he integrates with the Na'vi so badly that he literally turns his kids into soldiers 😂
The rest of the movie is meh. The lady in charge of the attack basically says Humanity is dying and Pandora is it's new home. The only sad part is when Neteyam died, but that's about it. It's just a copy and paste of the first movie, same actors and all. Blue Quaritch looks like he might be redeemed and join Jake in fighting the Humans later on but honestly who knows. I expect the next movie to be a copy and paste too, what else can they do except drag out the war against Humanity for another few movies while introducing a magical world. The only thing the second movie is good at is being a wallpaper everytime you pause it to go take a dump. Other than that it's almost worse than the first one.
@@kamieaston3016 Scathing review. Damning even. Question: Can the whale nectar be used as lube?? My old womb raider could use a face-lift!!
It was 15 years later.
16 years later
15 years later
is it 20 years ? i dont remember them establishing that
So wait…is Spider meant to be 20 years old…?
I thought he was meant to be more of a teenager?
(I can't remember if 20 years actually passed or not.😅😅)
How did he became a blue person if he died?
A reminder of his disgusting betrayal
More like 16 years later. Not 20.
20 years later? nah dude thats way off, the first avatar movie came out 2009 and jakes kids arent even 18 yet
Wow
if his body is dead how can he still be ailve?
Pochontas in space !
Im looking for Rick Sanchez
Is this the right portal ?
I show quaritch dead 20 year ago
I thought Avatar 2 was visually amazing. But the plot was a little lazy. Having Quaritch as the villain again seemed lazy. And it was never super clear why Quaritch was still so hell bent on getting Jake.
If you thought that was lazy, then I"m sure you're aware of Star Wars last trilogy, such as with its copy & paste of the Death Star storyline once again.
@@robwebnoid5763 yep that was lazy too. Both were lazy.
Peiple like you enable james cameron
@@theburnetts He still has the mission in mind of killing the Na'vi to finally get the needed resources. Plus revenge cause...they kinda killed him? I'd be a bit mad as well if I knew you had killed a previous version of me.
@@kaystephan2610 Also probably a sense of failure because you didn't complete the mission and you lost to the enemy. You're a veteran soldier that emphasized human supremacy with your marshal prowess and superior weapons. Your not done.
Somehow... Quaritch returned
Except in a way better and more entertaining way.
@@tronamespecially since we actually saw how he returned rather than palpatine
I didn't like the explanation for Quaritch's return. When death is virtually unconsequential, life looses value. I think it would have been better if the Quaritch we see die in the first movie was a human avatar body. The pilot Quaritch could have been a quadraplegic, or a brain in a jar, or a disgruntled Na'vi. Any option sounds more interesting that simply backing up your brain digitally and then restore it.