@@CMOT101 I’m aware, and that’s what makes it great. He’s doing this obviously fake goofy German accent, but each time the Doctor tries to defend his mistakes, he drops the accent, because he’s genuinely angry
The Doctor’s face seeing Bill again really hits hard. She was his student, and he didn’t just get her killed, he led her to one of the most horrific fates a human can suffer in this show: cyberconversion. The Toymaker was lying, being killed by the cybermen would be a mercy compared to what they did to her, and The Doctor knows it.
Bill is also different because her fate was an active failure on his part. Amy and Clara were the result of not stopping when he knew he should have. But with Bill The Doctor was also too late in rescuing her because he got carried away explaining that he'd figured out what was happening with the ship they were on. He wasted time because he couldn't help but show off, and she literally spent years waiting for him and even watched on a TV as he slowly moved. In his arrogance he totally failed Bill and the survival of her consciousness had absolutely nothing to do with him. It was Heather who saved her. And that is guilt that he clearly still carries.
@@spaceboomer564 100% true. I hadn't thought of Bill's death that way, but you're right. Yes she got a happy ending, but that had nothing to do with the Doctor.
Bill was also his fault in that he just couldn’t stay put. He broke his promise to keep Missy locked up cause he got bored. If he’d just kept his promise then Bill would have been safe
Thing is, the Toymaker didn't care if the Doctor did anything wrong or not. He wanted to make the Doctor suffer and knew that the Doctor would be carrying around guilt - the sacrastic 'well thats alright then' is calling out the Doctor's justifications and defences as wholly inadequate; as I say, the Toymaker doesn't care but he knows the Doctor does and stripping him of his excuses to let the Doctor's own conscious eat away at him was the aim.
Just because of that, the fact he never forgets, he always jump into the next adventure, avoiding to think about it. Just when he was 14, he did let himself to process everything.
What? We legit see 11 in exile to punish himself for losing Amy and Rory. We see 12 partly seek to punish himself for Clara’s death by staying in the confession dial for 4.5 billion years?
@@emperorholocron8278 well its ofcoures heavy depening of the script and writher. And the doctor did not remember his full past...He show some times that some memorys have he already lost or push so far away that he can't remember them at all...
If I had a nickel for every time the Doctor got someone killed, went off to sulk in Victorian London for one episode, then immediately continued with business as usual, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happens twice.
@@chatty_writer666 Only this version of Clara! The Doctor should have said, "She survives in multiple realities". (She was after all, the Impossible Girl).
@@MichaelJones-ni5pb Yes, but this Clara was the "prime" version, because it was she who risked her life to save the Doctor by scattering herself across his time stream.
I love the face he makes before saying "by a bird!" as if realizing he hadnt prepared a succinct explanation Face the Raven / Hell Bent and just had to improv some oversimplification.
Toymaker: "And then, there was Ellen Ripley. She fought off a lone Xenomorph. And then, she fought an entire army of them. But Ripley was impregnated with the embryo of their queen, so she liquified herself to save the universe!" Doctor: "Scientists on board the Auriga cloned her to remove the embryo and designated her as Ripley 8." Toymaker: "Well, that's alright then!"
@@DjangoCaron Toymaker: "And then, there was Laurie Strode. Dr. Sam Loomis saved her from Michael Myers and she thought that she'd killed him 20 years later. But Michael tricked Laurie and stabbed her on a roof top, where she fell to her death!" Doctor: "She returned and her granddaughter helped her kill Michael once and for all." Toymaker: "Well, that's alright then!".
@@DjangoCaronSPOILERS OF THE ENDING OF MHA!!! Toymaker: There was Izuku Midoryia. The 9th wielder of ONE FOR ALL. But at the end of his first year at U.A., he loses it to defeat ALL FOR ONE. Including the cost of Tomura Shigaraki’s life. The Doctor: He saved dozens of life in Japan and the world, and managed to turn Tomura to a new leaf at the end. And to this day, he’s still being a hero and training the next generation of heroes! Toymaker: WELL THAT’S ALRIGHT THEN!!!
@@DjangoCaronToymaker: and then, there was Anakin Skywalker. He fought for the light only to help exterminate millions of peace enforcers throughout the galaxy and later lead an army to kill billions more. The doctor: He tosses the empires leader down a ventilation shaft Toymaker: well that's alright then!
Being confronted by what happened to 3 of his former friends, especially Amy, was a real kick in the guts for the Doctor. Knowing because of him they died
Amy chose her fate, it wasn't really the Doctor's Fault. Clara messed up by wanting to be like the Doctor ans got herself killed. But Bill's death and cyber conversion was 100% the Doctor's fault.
Something everyone missed. Russell Davis wrote this episode, but Amy, Clara, Bill are all Moffat's characters. Notice: Davis gave all this companions "happy" lives. Rose got her own Doctor, Martha got Mickey, Donna got a family and millions of $. Moffat gave all his characters bittersweet endings. None of them went back to their normal lives after meeting the Doctor. I wonder if the Toymaker is speaking for Davis, when he says "well... that's all right then!"
My absolute favorite thing about this go around is RTD did what he does best by maintaining continuity (the ol’ “yes and”) which has been missing since his departure. Sure, Moffat referenced Moffat stuff, but RTD didn’t throw anything out just because it wasn’t his or even because it’s been a contentious past few years. I haven’t been this excited about Who in a long time even if I acknowledge the merits that were present in the past ten years or so.
That's so true! I hate the fact that Moffat killed every companion! Look at Clara and Bill?? They had the worst death ever! Clara died in a very stupid way and Bill suffer so much and she was such a beautiful companion. Russell T. Davis always give to companion a chances to live. Ok they meet the Doctor but that's doesn't mean that they have to die. 😢
Interesting, but I do think tragic endings are quite powerful in Doctor Who, afterall how many episodes introduce unimportant characters and kill them off in the same episode? I think there should be a balance between happy endings and bad, with good being the higher total. Though while I didn’t like Clara’s ending much, I liked Bill’s and The Ponds. Like the Doctor said, Amy and Rory lived together to old age in the past which I found to be tragic but sweet, while bills was nice because it showed just how dangerous travelling with the Doctor can be, I think it’d be abit boring if every companion ended up happy, like, I love Donna, and while I love it either way, her ending was so good already, I didn’t really see the point in releasing her memories so easily, felt abit unnecessary right? Because wasn’t the only reason given that she could release it because of her daughter, and sending the energy with her? I find it hard to believe that they could just let it go like that, wasn’t she biologically changed afterall?
It really comes across in this scene as though the Toymaker is trying to diminish the importance of Donna to the Doctor and make her feel small, hurting the Doctor in the process. It's sad, because we know the Doctor is unending and part of the tragedy is that, despite feeling they need human companionship to do what they do, they will either eventually leave them behind or keep them around until some fate befalls them. And yet, the Doctor remembers all their companions and the love they feel for those companions is made no less real, no less powerful, by their unfathomably long life.
That is a reason I thought for the 12-regeneration limit. The brain has a limited capacity and eventually it would run out of space, and would start to lose memories to make space for new ones. I could see a heart breaking story in the future where The Doctor encounters an older Rose and he has no memory of her.
@@Mojo1356 I know he’s 14 lol. I’m saying interesting seeing his Doctor with the memories of the Moffat and Chibnall era Doctors considering his version of the Doctor also came before Doctors 11, 12 and 13.
I really wish Rory was included alongside Amy. They were a pair, they were the Ponds, while Amy was the first face 11’s face saw, they were both his family. Amy even let herself get touched by the Angel to be with Rory, so leaving him out just feels a bit wrong.
I do agree. The Rory erasure is unjustified, and also baffling. I think Arthur Darvill lent one of the best performances in the show, as with mostly everyone else in Eleven’s underrated era.
Poor Rory. He died. And he died. And he died again. And he doesn’t even get a single mention when the Toymaker mentioned all the former the former companions who died
Toy maker: and last but not least, River Song, she not only vas she Amy Ponds daughter in ze future but she marries ze doctor too GASP*! happy ever after ya? NEIN! Instead she vent to ze library and sacrificed herself for ze doctor *snips strings* 14th Doctor: "Her mind has been preserved in the library super computer" Toy maker: "OH WELL THATS ALRIGHT THEN!
I am convinced after watching this amazing performance alone that Neil Patrick Harris would make an amazing Mr Myxzpltk (5th dimensional imp/Superman villain) for live action movie. Everything about his performance as the Toymaker just exudes Mr Myxzpltk's chaotic character, love of toying others and his omnipotent power especially with the reality warping mixed with Neil's charisma
i was thinking about myxzpltk and batmite scine the toymaker has the same realty altering powers but yeah i can see him play as myx mabye he might in the new james gunn dcu after all he wont be the frist docotr who actor that did a dc/marvel role in the flims
I agree, I think he would have a blast in the role. One issue with using him is that he usually is not actually a villain, but just someone who likes to have fun and lives up to his word. Plus, one thing not often mentioned is that Mr. Mxyzptlk doesn't understand the concept of lying. Once he tried it but it came out all wrong. One interesting idea would be to do the story "What Ever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" (the last story of the Earth-One Superman). [Spoilers] Someone has destroyed Superman's life, made his enemies more deadly, and put his friends in danger. It turns out that it was Mr. Mxyzptlk. He did it because he was bored. Previously, he'd been good for 5,000 years and then he became bored. Then, he spent 5,000 years doing nothing until he became bored. Then he spent 5,000 years being mischievous and now he is bored. So he decided to become evil. Superman, knowing just how dangerous he would be, killed him by using the Phantom Zone Projector. As Mr. Mxyzptlk said his name backwards, Superman hit him with the Phantom Zone Projector so half of him returned to his home dimension, and half of him went to the Phantom Zone splitting him in two and killing him.
Best part of the episode in my opinion. For Donna it has been 15 years which seems like a long time to her but this almost makes her reaslise just how long its been for the Doctor, the fact he's had 3 other faces in that time lived longer than she could imagine and has all the trauma to show from it
I love how the Toymaker makes the puppets disappear every time he brings up a new one. They should be on the floor but nope reality controlling as he is he makes them gone.
Every era has its highs and lows. Chibnall’s era is pretty lambasted, but I still enjoy a bunch of those episodes. Doctor Who is a very cool tapestry of TV history, from 1963 till today, and I love that each era reflects the time it was made in really well.
Hes basically calling out the Doctor's double standard. The Doctor is so disgusted by how the Toymaker keeps people around like pets, someone to witness his genius, and ultimately they die in the end because of the Toymakers carelessness or ego or something else. When in reality the doctor more or less does exactly the same thing.
Yaz, Ryan, and Graham all survived, left the TARDIS voluntarily, and went home to their proper time and universe. If anything, they'd undermine the Toymaker's point.
I gotta agree with the toymaker about Bill though. She DIED. Fully and completely. her girlfriend saved her soul yes, but her body was DEAD. When I saw that I was "Uh Doc, he's right about Bill"
When he said her consciousness survived is he talking about when her memories were preserved in the glass avatar or did he find out that Bill was saved by Heather.
Den dere was poor toshiko sato, locked up for years in solitary confinement by the doctors so called friends at unit, I didn’t even know about that one OH WELL THATS ALL RIGHT THEN!
I love how the toy maker was making the doctor answer him and putting him on the spot of judgement. The doctor is a constant for good and evil but he has collateral damage
I never really liked how for a long while the only way to leave the Doctor was to get stuck in an alternate universe, get your mind erased, get sent back in time, get killed by a deathbird, and get turned into a Cyberman. I really appreciated Martha just walking away.
I think that made that one instance even better. It is incredibly hard to walk away from the Doctor. They usually have to be torn away from him (modern series), or he literally has to abandon them for their own safety (classic series). So Martha just putting her foot down gave her so much power. That’s why I think she’s one of the best companions.
Ze metaltron was a lone dalek who you met and told it to kill itself. trapped like a caged animal in herr Henry van Statens bunker until frau rose Tyler touched it she made it go mad
Flashback) to the episode Dalek The metaltron I demand order's where shall I get my orders now?. Then rose touches the dalek Genetic material extrapolated. Initiate cellular reconstruction! The doctor it couldn't bring it's self to kill rose Tyler or Mr van staten. The metaltron why do we survive? IAM the last of the daleks order my destruction obey obey
none of the Thirteenth Doctor's companions died. In fact, I would say getting half of the universe obliterated is far worse than that. The Doctor didn't even said a half arsed excuse for that, just outright ignored it and called for a game.
Well, Yaz was a punch in the gut for Thirteen. And Thirteen did something, albeit in a poor method, but that ONE thing the Doctor did to her in order to keep her safe and alive and well Something she managed to do back in Classic Who, but not Modern Who: She pushed her away, for her safety. Yaz is alive, but at what cost???
Well… not really, since this was only regarding companions after Donna left Ten. The Toymaker was “recapping” her on what happened to him in the last 15 years
@@NathanelsemattersInteresting theory, but Rory could easily be “packaged” with Amy, Nardole didn’t really have a “tragic” fate per se, and Danny wasn’t a companion of the Doctor’s.
@@DjangoCaronThough if the Toymaker really wanted to sting the Doctor, even without the Flux: Susan. The granddaughter he abandoned amidst the most vile creatures in all (his) reality, simply because she fell in love, and he didn't want her to choose someone other than him. Oh we _know_ that's not how it is, but does the Doctor? Or does some wriggling, nagging part of his brain tell him that that's how it was?
I love the Toymaker's expression for what to say about Clara, like he's trying to figure out which Clara Oswald to talk about and how to explain her deaths
I kinda wish he got more pushback from the doctor here. I know that’s not necessarily the point of the story or scene. But also the fact that Amy lived a long life with her loving husband, and Bill was able to find some solace in being healed and going of with Heather is still a kind of good ending for them. It’s not ideal obviously and the Toymaker had a point. But showing him try to believe that they still had and have good lives with meaning and purpose even after their time with him might have been more interesting then him just being sad.
I see your point, but it was more because despite their happy endings, it didn’t make their deaths ok. Amy and Rory did live happily until old age, but were stranded in an unfamiliar time. Clara got to live, but she doesn’t have a heartbeat and is sort of a walking corpse. Bill got her happy ending, but beforehand she DID get horrifically mutilated by Cybermen. So despite their happy endings, it doesn’t make what happened to them ok. Just my view on it
@@DjangoCaron That’s fair, I think the Toymaker has a point here and I think he should end the conversation in such a way that that point sinks in. But something like “she died of old age” “that’s alright then!” “And she had her husband with her, they loved each other more then anything” “oh right there was being the two of them, that makes it so much better!” Could have given both of them more ammo to work with and Neil more scene to chew. Also, while it is kinda part of the joke at this point, the fact that once again Rory goes entirely unacknowledge by the story does kinda feel bad. Man deserves some more respect.
Bill was an ordinary person who loved her life - and she got shot in the chest and made into a cyberman. The fact that now she is some sort of floating consciousness entity thing is not a good ending. She was a living human being, and now she is not.
@@dougandmonsterpuppetschann5169and that just a big load of bull she went on to see the whole universe and then became human again lived for a long time and the died, if thats not realy good ending i dont know what is.
Kingdom Hearts III Toymaker: Poor Kairi, mercilessly iced by Master Xehanort without having any character purpose in the game whatsoever. Sora: Over a year of waiting, I eventually bring her back and she fights alongside me kicking his @$$. Toymaker: OH WELL THAT’S ALRIGHT THEN!!! Me: (Not to me it isn’t)
"Und then zere was Adelaide Brooke... But she killed herself vhen the Doctor tried to save her!" "I nearly destroyed time and she needed to stop me!" "OH WELL _THAT'S_ ALRIGHT THEN!"
Oh they should’ve done that!! It would’ve been the greatest insult, because there’s really no greater example of the tragedies he’s second-handedly responsible for; because Adelaide’s sacrifice was entirely his fault
(Persona 3 AU) "And then there was Makoto Yuki! The precious leader of SEES! But then he became a door!" "He sacrificed himself to prevent the fall of mankind." "Well that's alright then!"
Besides Rory, the others didn’t have tragic fates. That’s what the scene was playing on - Dan left peacefully, on his own accord. Thirteen just ditched Yaz and Ryan left with Graham. Nardole was left to protect a colony. Amy, Clara and Bill all died. But yeah the Rory erasure is hilarious, seeing as it HAPPENS ALL THE TIME?!
He was only pointing out the ones that died because of The Doctor. Ryan, Graham, Yaz, and Dan never died, so they weren’t relevant to the point he was making
The Toymaker is so sick and evil for mocking 3 of the companions of the Doctor whom he lost after returning Donna home. A surprise that the Toymaker was able to realize that the Doctor had regenerated a lot since they last met when he was in his original form.
A pity because the consequences of Hell Sent were effectively undone by this. Something I subtract points from in Twice Upon a Time even though I still do like the special overall.
The Toymaker: And then there was Doctor Who, the greatest TV show ever, until the Chris Chibnall era. The Doctor: If not for the Chibnall Era, the show would not have survived long enough for this episode that we're in to exist and create this meme. The Toymaker: Oh, well that's alright then.
i know we’re yet to see the payoff for this arc, but i love that the doctor doesn’t yet have a defence for the flux. he can come up with justifications for everything else to put his mind at ease, but when the flux is mentioned he has nothing. heartbreaking.
Scenes like this make you understand why RTD is so respected. If it was Moffat or Chibnall writing this there would be hardly anything from last eras being mentioned, but Russel embraced what came between his two eras and really made it part of his era. Even Tales of the Tardis had old characters come back to this universe, remembering what came before.
> If it was Moffat or Chibnall writing this there would be hardly anything from last eras being mentioned Lmao, are you for real? Day of the Doctor had more past references within ten minutes than we had throughout all three 60th specials. Even Power of the Doctor did more, and that wasn't even an anniversary episode.
50th Anniversary was over the top mainstream shit. I don't even remember Power of the Doctor's plot, but I do remember the past references.@@novecentodb
@novecentodb I defended the fact he mentions old continuity. I don't like over the top shit, so I don't like RTD's own Doctor who and other modern who era.
@@DjangoCaron can’t we have both? Smith as a villain but then Smith coming back as the Doctor? Hey- if Peter Capaldi could start with a minor role and then take the lead altogether, I don’t see why not for Smith’s return. PS Matt Smith will always be my personal favorite Doctor.
It's actually quite sad that the Doctor tries to make excuses for all his partner's deaths, even if some of them now live in the worst conditions like Bill her consciousness trapped in a robot. I think the doctor needs to learn to let some of them die cuz there are fates worse then death and some of his partners have experienced them sadly.
The 10th doctor has now been split to be able to retire from being the doctor and live a full life for a second time after doing it with Rose. He has a well deserved retirement while a new doctor continues the job! Well thats alrighty then!
"And then we had Rory Williams, the man who died over and over again"
"He came back every time!"
"WELL THAT'S ALRIGHT THEN!!"
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He only came back to life 3 times lol
@@dannybishop9179I mean, that's more than typical.
@@dannybishop91794 if you count missy inadvertently turning him into a cyber man
@@unclekarl5219 not seen fake news 😂
The sudden dropping of the accent on “well that’s alright then” really is just the icing on the cake
NPH was some perfect casting!
That's not his real accent.
@@CMOT101 I’m aware, and that’s what makes it great. He’s doing this obviously fake goofy German accent, but each time the Doctor tries to defend his mistakes, he drops the accent, because he’s genuinely angry
@@Dr_Mortis_SCP no, he's doing a fake American accent as well.
@@ROBERTJOHNSON020 I was not aware of that part
I like how the Toymaker isn't unfeeling. He is genuinely infuriated by the Doctor trying to excuse the deaths of his partners.
Even I was kinda mad at him when he clarified Amy’s death as “natural”.
"Bill was conscious... after her body was destroyed and reformated as a crude homunculus!"
@@ksaraf23 "Well that's alright then!"
I dont think he is infuriated. I think he is toying with the doctor.
@@AndereundIchI see it as both. He was calling out the doctor for endangering his companions and then not truly addressing his grief with it.
The Doctor’s face seeing Bill again really hits hard. She was his student, and he didn’t just get her killed, he led her to one of the most horrific fates a human can suffer in this show: cyberconversion.
The Toymaker was lying, being killed by the cybermen would be a mercy compared to what they did to her, and The Doctor knows it.
Yeah but she was killed by the cybermen and they turned her into a Mondasian cyberman
I like that he is most outraged by Bill "oh well that's alright then!" The added oh for Bill is a small detail I liked
Bill is also different because her fate was an active failure on his part.
Amy and Clara were the result of not stopping when he knew he should have. But with Bill The Doctor was also too late in rescuing her because he got carried away explaining that he'd figured out what was happening with the ship they were on. He wasted time because he couldn't help but show off, and she literally spent years waiting for him and even watched on a TV as he slowly moved.
In his arrogance he totally failed Bill and the survival of her consciousness had absolutely nothing to do with him. It was Heather who saved her. And that is guilt that he clearly still carries.
@@spaceboomer564 100% true. I hadn't thought of Bill's death that way, but you're right. Yes she got a happy ending, but that had nothing to do with the Doctor.
Bill was also his fault in that he just couldn’t stay put. He broke his promise to keep Missy locked up cause he got bored. If he’d just kept his promise then Bill would have been safe
He wasn't making fun of them. He was literally putting The Doctor on trial.
This was like the 3rd time he's been to his own trial
Thing is, the Toymaker didn't care if the Doctor did anything wrong or not. He wanted to make the Doctor suffer and knew that the Doctor would be carrying around guilt - the sacrastic 'well thats alright then' is calling out the Doctor's justifications and defences as wholly inadequate; as I say, the Toymaker doesn't care but he knows the Doctor does and stripping him of his excuses to let the Doctor's own conscious eat away at him was the aim.
WELL THAT'S ALRIGHT THEN!
@@alexandertelson3713 3rd time?
Trial of the Time Lords
this episode
what was the other?
@AzguardMike The Star Beast (except he was the judge)
It’s nice to see the doctor doesn’t forget. In earlier seasons he seems to easily move on everytime he transitions
Just because of that, the fact he never forgets, he always jump into the next adventure, avoiding to think about it. Just when he was 14, he did let himself to process everything.
What? We legit see 11 in exile to punish himself for losing Amy and Rory. We see 12 partly seek to punish himself for Clara’s death by staying in the confession dial for 4.5 billion years?
@@emperorholocron8278 well its ofcoures heavy depening of the script and writher.
And the doctor did not remember his full past...He show some times that some memorys have he already lost or push so far away that he can't remember them at all...
If I had a nickel for every time the Doctor got someone killed, went off to sulk in Victorian London for one episode, then immediately continued with business as usual, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happens twice.
Rule one the doctors always lies and he never forgets
The face Neil Patrick Harris pulled when he said ‘killed by a bird’ is fucking hilarious I can’t lie
The WTF look on his face was priceless
Very "a bird, of all things a bird? Really?"
@@chatty_writer666 Only this version of Clara! The Doctor should have said, "She survives in multiple realities". (She was after all, the Impossible Girl).
@@MichaelJones-ni5pb Yes, but this Clara was the "prime" version, because it was she who risked her life to save the Doctor by scattering herself across his time stream.
@@MichaelJones-ni5pb Well, that's alright then!
I love the face he makes before saying "by a bird!" as if realizing he hadnt prepared a succinct explanation Face the Raven / Hell Bent and just had to improv some oversimplification.
NPH's eyes when he says "Well thats alright then" has so much judgement and score. It proves how great of an actor he is.
I really hope he comes back one day, his performance was extraordinary!
Toymaker: "And then, there was Ellen Ripley. She fought off a lone Xenomorph. And then, she fought an entire army of them. But Ripley was impregnated with the embryo of their queen, so she liquified herself to save the universe!"
Doctor: "Scientists on board the Auriga cloned her to remove the embryo and designated her as Ripley 8."
Toymaker: "Well, that's alright then!"
Do more! Do more! Wondrous stuff
@@DjangoCaron Toymaker: "And then, there was Laurie Strode. Dr. Sam Loomis saved her from Michael Myers and she thought that she'd killed him 20 years later. But Michael tricked Laurie and stabbed her on a roof top, where she fell to her death!"
Doctor: "She returned and her granddaughter helped her kill Michael once and for all."
Toymaker: "Well, that's alright then!".
I could read these all day! I wish it became an internet thing so more people did it
@@DjangoCaronSPOILERS OF THE ENDING OF MHA!!!
Toymaker: There was Izuku Midoryia. The 9th wielder of ONE FOR ALL. But at the end of his first year at U.A., he loses it to defeat ALL FOR ONE. Including the cost of Tomura Shigaraki’s life.
The Doctor: He saved dozens of life in Japan and the world, and managed to turn Tomura to a new leaf at the end. And to this day, he’s still being a hero and training the next generation of heroes!
Toymaker: WELL THAT’S ALRIGHT THEN!!!
@@DjangoCaronToymaker: and then, there was Anakin Skywalker. He fought for the light only to help exterminate millions of peace enforcers throughout the galaxy and later lead an army to kill billions more.
The doctor: He tosses the empires leader down a ventilation shaft
Toymaker: well that's alright then!
Being confronted by what happened to 3 of his former friends, especially Amy, was a real kick in the guts for the Doctor. Knowing because of him they died
I loved “The Giggle”, but this was definitely my favorite scene
@@DjangoCaronyeah- I really don’t get why so many people have a problem with this episode aside from the games.
Amy chose her fate, it wasn't really the Doctor's Fault. Clara messed up by wanting to be like the Doctor ans got herself killed. But Bill's death and cyber conversion was 100% the Doctor's fault.
Something everyone missed. Russell Davis wrote this episode, but Amy, Clara, Bill are all Moffat's characters.
Notice: Davis gave all this companions "happy" lives. Rose got her own Doctor, Martha got Mickey, Donna got a family and millions of $.
Moffat gave all his characters bittersweet endings. None of them went back to their normal lives after meeting the Doctor.
I wonder if the Toymaker is speaking for Davis, when he says "well... that's all right then!"
That's a pretty interesting take.
My absolute favorite thing about this go around is RTD did what he does best by maintaining continuity (the ol’ “yes and”) which has been missing since his departure. Sure, Moffat referenced Moffat stuff, but RTD didn’t throw anything out just because it wasn’t his or even because it’s been a contentious past few years. I haven’t been this excited about Who in a long time even if I acknowledge the merits that were present in the past ten years or so.
Well they were all after Donna sooo
That's so true! I hate the fact that Moffat killed every companion! Look at Clara and Bill?? They had the worst death ever! Clara died in a very stupid way and Bill suffer so much and she was such a beautiful companion. Russell T. Davis always give to companion a chances to live. Ok they meet the Doctor but that's doesn't mean that they have to die. 😢
Interesting, but I do think tragic endings are quite powerful in Doctor Who, afterall how many episodes introduce unimportant characters and kill them off in the same episode? I think there should be a balance between happy endings and bad, with good being the higher total.
Though while I didn’t like Clara’s ending much, I liked Bill’s and The Ponds. Like the Doctor said, Amy and Rory lived together to old age in the past which I found to be tragic but sweet, while bills was nice because it showed just how dangerous travelling with the Doctor can be, I think it’d be abit boring if every companion ended up happy, like, I love Donna, and while I love it either way, her ending was so good already, I didn’t really see the point in releasing her memories so easily, felt abit unnecessary right?
Because wasn’t the only reason given that she could release it because of her daughter, and sending the energy with her? I find it hard to believe that they could just let it go like that, wasn’t she biologically changed afterall?
It really comes across in this scene as though the Toymaker is trying to diminish the importance of Donna to the Doctor and make her feel small, hurting the Doctor in the process. It's sad, because we know the Doctor is unending and part of the tragedy is that, despite feeling they need human companionship to do what they do, they will either eventually leave them behind or keep them around until some fate befalls them. And yet, the Doctor remembers all their companions and the love they feel for those companions is made no less real, no less powerful, by their unfathomably long life.
That is a reason I thought for the 12-regeneration limit. The brain has a limited capacity and eventually it would run out of space, and would start to lose memories to make space for new ones. I could see a heart breaking story in the future where The Doctor encounters an older Rose and he has no memory of her.
Holy crap that’s double heart breaking
"Well, that's alright, then" is a, for sure, meme waiting to happen.
This aged beautifully.
Wel it did
Love the small detail where the Toymaker, lived and experienced life for so long, shocked that a person can be killed…..by a bird😂
"Being sucked into a jet turbine is one thing, but a BIRD?! This isn't FUCKING HITCHCOCK, PEOPLE!"
"Well that's alright then" sounds like something straight out of any Jim Carrey film
Doubly so seeing Neil Patrick Harris in the role, he does this really well.
I enjoyed that the Doctor had nothing to say after the Flux. No bittersweet ending for that one, just a million dead galaxies.
David Tennant did such a good job displaying his emotion over lost companions that weren’t even his… such a great actor
It’s interesting seeing David’s doctor with memories of Eleven, Twelve and Thirteen.
Oui :)
@@stephenmurphy2212that’s because this version of David is number 14.
@@Mojo1356 I know he’s 14 lol. I’m saying interesting seeing his Doctor with the memories of the Moffat and Chibnall era Doctors considering his version of the Doctor also came before Doctors 11, 12 and 13.
@@stephenmurphy2212 okay then.
Won’t it be rad when one of the screwed companions becomes a villain in 20 years?
I never thought of that!! What a cool idea
Or if a one off villain became a companion (reluctantly)?
@@cameronmonaghan6883Well that kinda happened in Boom Town
@@DjangoCaron I disagree
@@cameronmonaghan6883I mean, it can still happen, Boom Town was like 50% there
I really wish Rory was included alongside Amy. They were a pair, they were the Ponds, while Amy was the first face 11’s face saw, they were both his family. Amy even let herself get touched by the Angel to be with Rory, so leaving him out just feels a bit wrong.
I do agree. The Rory erasure is unjustified, and also baffling. I think Arthur Darvill lent one of the best performances in the show, as with mostly everyone else in Eleven’s underrated era.
Neil Patrick Harris as The Toymaker is his epic and most entertaining performance yet.
I really hope he returns, just 1 episode seems like kind of a waste
You should check out Doctor Horrible's Sing-Along Blog.
Given the nature of the Toymaker's powers, those might have actually BEEN the Doctor's companions.
No, 'cause Amy (her corpse in the graveyard) turned into a Cyberman
@@soylent_purpleToymaker could easily change it back.
"Yes, he be liking the redheads."
Most underrated line in this whole clip!
"And the two had flown, in time and space, but Amy Pond was touched by the Weeping Angels, und she died!"
Turlough Representation
I would’ve loved to see Peter Capald’s Doctor in this scene. Especially when The Toymaker brought up Clara and Bill.
He would have been furious.
@@potsdam28 For sure
Poor Rory. He died. And he died. And he died again. And he doesn’t even get a single mention when the Toymaker mentioned all the former the former companions who died
He could have even quipped, "We will be here all day if I bring up Roy."
Toy maker: and last but not least, River Song, she not only vas she Amy Ponds daughter in ze future but she marries ze doctor too GASP*! happy ever after ya? NEIN! Instead she vent to ze library and sacrificed herself for ze doctor *snips strings*
14th Doctor: "Her mind has been preserved in the library super computer"
Toy maker: "OH WELL THATS ALRIGHT THEN!
Why would he show River to Donna though? Donna was at the Library where River died so she know River’s fate
@@curtyeomans8446Yeah, but she doesn't know their history. That's actually important.
I'm actually very glad he didn't mention River.
The actor for toy maker is phenomenal, holy shit this scene is amazing
I am convinced after watching this amazing performance alone that Neil Patrick Harris would make an amazing Mr Myxzpltk (5th dimensional imp/Superman villain) for live action movie. Everything about his performance as the Toymaker just exudes Mr Myxzpltk's chaotic character, love of toying others and his omnipotent power especially with the reality warping mixed with Neil's charisma
Totally agree, NPH should just be in more projects in general
i was thinking about myxzpltk and batmite scine the toymaker has the same realty altering powers but yeah i can see him play as myx mabye he might in the new james gunn dcu after all he wont be the frist docotr who actor that did a dc/marvel role in the flims
That and also carrying the somewhat zany energy Gilbert Gottfried had (may he rest in peace).
I agree, I think he would have a blast in the role. One issue with using him is that he usually is not actually a villain, but just someone who likes to have fun and lives up to his word. Plus, one thing not often mentioned is that Mr. Mxyzptlk doesn't understand the concept of lying. Once he tried it but it came out all wrong.
One interesting idea would be to do the story "What Ever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" (the last story of the Earth-One Superman).
[Spoilers]
Someone has destroyed Superman's life, made his enemies more deadly, and put his friends in danger. It turns out that it was Mr. Mxyzptlk.
He did it because he was bored. Previously, he'd been good for 5,000 years and then he became bored. Then, he spent 5,000 years doing nothing until he became bored. Then he spent 5,000 years being mischievous and now he is bored. So he decided to become evil. Superman, knowing just how dangerous he would be, killed him by using the Phantom Zone Projector. As Mr. Mxyzptlk said his name backwards, Superman hit him with the Phantom Zone Projector so half of him returned to his home dimension, and half of him went to the Phantom Zone splitting him in two and killing him.
Best part of the episode in my opinion. For Donna it has been 15 years which seems like a long time to her but this almost makes her reaslise just how long its been for the Doctor, the fact he's had 3 other faces in that time lived longer than she could imagine and has all the trauma to show from it
If “Well that’s alright then” isn’t the next big meme I don’t know what is!
The fact he dropped the accent makes it even better
toymaker: yes he'll be liking the redheads 0:36
Interesting detail: all the marionettes are all wearing the exact same clothes the Moffat companions wore when they died.
Yesh he be liking ze redheadz 0:34
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
“Clara still survives in her last second of life” the only puppet that still had one string not cut. Possibly hinting that Clara is still out there.
I think its because of how she was resurrected, but maybe
I mean we see in Hell Bent that she is still out there.
I feel like there was a missed opportunity with Amy’s retelling, “and she became the Doctors mother in law” Donna’s reaction “😨”
I love how the Toymaker makes the puppets disappear every time he brings up a new one. They should be on the floor but nope reality controlling as he is he makes them gone.
The quality of Doctor Who got significantly upgraded in 3 episodes alone.
Every era has its highs and lows. Chibnall’s era is pretty lambasted, but I still enjoy a bunch of those episodes. Doctor Who is a very cool tapestry of TV history, from 1963 till today, and I love that each era reflects the time it was made in really well.
2 episodes. I don’t like Star Beasts.
I love the look on nph face when he says well thats alright then
As soon as i saw him it was strange not seeing him as barney was half expecting him to be chatting donna up
Who and what and where
Hes basically calling out the Doctor's double standard. The Doctor is so disgusted by how the Toymaker keeps people around like pets, someone to witness his genius, and ultimately they die in the end because of the Toymakers carelessness or ego or something else. When in reality the doctor more or less does exactly the same thing.
To be fair he left out all the jokes..
1:26 "Und then The Doctor met Yaz, Ryan, and Graham."
"Don't talk about them!"
"....Yeah, it's not worth it anyway."
OH WELL THAT'S ALRIGHT THEN!!!!
L joke ngl
Yaz, Ryan, and Graham all survived, left the TARDIS voluntarily, and went home to their proper time and universe. If anything, they'd undermine the Toymaker's point.
but den ze doctor met E Vil DAN! Und he vas gestealing all ze soup for tonight! He didn't geknow ze point of being alive!
I gotta agree with the toymaker about Bill though. She DIED. Fully and completely. her girlfriend saved her soul yes, but her body was DEAD. When I saw that I was "Uh Doc, he's right about Bill"
When he said her consciousness survived is he talking about when her memories were preserved in the glass avatar or did he find out that Bill was saved by Heather.
@@hannibalsmyth6779 he finds out about heather. it's the next ep I think,
Den dere was poor toshiko sato, locked up for years in solitary confinement by the doctors so called friends at unit,
I didn’t even know about that one
OH WELL THATS ALL RIGHT THEN!
I love how the toy maker was making the doctor answer him and putting him on the spot of judgement. The doctor is a constant for good and evil but he has collateral damage
I never really liked how for a long while the only way to leave the Doctor was to get stuck in an alternate universe, get your mind erased, get sent back in time, get killed by a deathbird, and get turned into a Cyberman. I really appreciated Martha just walking away.
I think that made that one instance even better. It is incredibly hard to walk away from the Doctor. They usually have to be torn away from him (modern series), or he literally has to abandon them for their own safety (classic series). So Martha just putting her foot down gave her so much power. That’s why I think she’s one of the best companions.
"Yes, he be liking the redheads". I laughed too hard at that one 😂.
Going to be repeating “Well that’s alright then” for the rest of the f*cking day
The Toymaker mentions “Stookie Bill”. A plaster model head made by John Logie Baird, a Scottish inventor in his first television broadcast.
Ze metaltron was a lone dalek who you met and told it to kill itself. trapped like a caged animal in herr Henry van Statens bunker until frau rose Tyler touched it she made it go mad
Flashback) to the episode Dalek
The metaltron I demand order's where shall I get my orders now?. Then rose touches the dalek Genetic material extrapolated. Initiate cellular reconstruction! The doctor it couldn't bring it's self to kill rose Tyler or Mr van staten. The metaltron why do we survive? IAM the last of the daleks order my destruction obey obey
@AstralVampireOfficial "OH, WELL, THAT'S ALRIGHT THEN!!!? "
It is actually fitting that he completely ignored Thirteen's companions
Can't make a puppet out of cardboard, right?
I get what you’re trying to say, but puppets can most definitely be made from cardboard, so I’m not sure your analogy makes sense?
Thirteens companions didn't die
none of the Thirteenth Doctor's companions died. In fact, I would say getting half of the universe obliterated is far worse than that. The Doctor didn't even said a half arsed excuse for that, just outright ignored it and called for a game.
Well, Yaz was a punch in the gut for Thirteen. And Thirteen did something, albeit in a poor method, but that ONE thing the Doctor did to her in order to keep her safe and alive and well
Something she managed to do back in Classic Who, but not Modern Who:
She pushed her away, for her safety.
Yaz is alive, but at what cost???
the face he makes after saying bird is hilarious
"Challenge accepted!" --Barney Stinson-- Toymaker
It would have been so cool if the Toymaker said,'Challenge accepted!'
He's also that guy whom nothing suited like a suit
She didn't DIE! THESE companions did.
Of all of them Bill got the worst death
This scene could have included Katarina & Adric. Regarding Clara, the Doctor should have sald, "She survives in multiple realities".
Well… not really, since this was only regarding companions after Donna left Ten. The Toymaker was “recapping” her on what happened to him in the last 15 years
@DjangoCaron on all the female companions, no less. Note how Rory, Danny Pink and Nardole aren't mentioned.
@@NathanelsemattersInteresting theory, but Rory could easily be “packaged” with Amy, Nardole didn’t really have a “tragic” fate per se, and Danny wasn’t a companion of the Doctor’s.
@@DjangoCaronThough if the Toymaker really wanted to sting the Doctor, even without the Flux: Susan. The granddaughter he abandoned amidst the most vile creatures in all (his) reality, simply because she fell in love, and he didn't want her to choose someone other than him.
Oh we _know_ that's not how it is, but does the Doctor? Or does some wriggling, nagging part of his brain tell him that that's how it was?
You can see 11 and 12s eyes in 14 when he mentions them. This scene was perfectly done
Kommen Sie, come and see. 10 out of 10 word play.
I love the Toymaker's expression for what to say about Clara, like he's trying to figure out which Clara Oswald to talk about and how to explain her deaths
As a returning viewer, I am in fact rather grateful for this little recap.
He do be liking the red ones.
"Oh, well that's alright then!"
Coldest line NPH has ever delivered.
WELL THATS ALRIGHT THEN
I kinda wish he got more pushback from the doctor here. I know that’s not necessarily the point of the story or scene. But also the fact that Amy lived a long life with her loving husband, and Bill was able to find some solace in being healed and going of with Heather is still a kind of good ending for them. It’s not ideal obviously and the Toymaker had a point. But showing him try to believe that they still had and have good lives with meaning and purpose even after their time with him might have been more interesting then him just being sad.
I see your point, but it was more because despite their happy endings, it didn’t make their deaths ok. Amy and Rory did live happily until old age, but were stranded in an unfamiliar time. Clara got to live, but she doesn’t have a heartbeat and is sort of a walking corpse. Bill got her happy ending, but beforehand she DID get horrifically mutilated by Cybermen. So despite their happy endings, it doesn’t make what happened to them ok. Just my view on it
@@DjangoCaron That’s fair, I think the Toymaker has a point here and I think he should end the conversation in such a way that that point sinks in. But something like “she died of old age” “that’s alright then!” “And she had her husband with her, they loved each other more then anything” “oh right there was being the two of them, that makes it so much better!” Could have given both of them more ammo to work with and Neil more scene to chew.
Also, while it is kinda part of the joke at this point, the fact that once again Rory goes entirely unacknowledge by the story does kinda feel bad. Man deserves some more respect.
Bill was an ordinary person who loved her life - and she got shot in the chest and made into a cyberman. The fact that now she is some sort of floating consciousness entity thing is not a good ending. She was a living human being, and now she is not.
@@dougandmonsterpuppetschann5169
I mean, to each their own. I thought “The Doctor Falls” was rewarding in its entirety.
@@dougandmonsterpuppetschann5169and that just a big load of bull she went on to see the whole universe and then became human again lived for a long time and the died, if thats not realy good ending i dont know what is.
The look of horror on the doctors face at the story of bill.. most horrific death of any doctor who companion
Absolutely. Not only death, but enduring the freakish pain of being converted as well.
I think Peri's initial death in trial of a timelord comes pretty close.
@@kaiserbill25 Valid
At least Graham, Ryan, Yaz and Dan didn’t die. I guess THAT’S ALRIGHT THEN! 😂
Cela aurait été drôle s'il avait dit ça xD
i love how the doctor genuinely starts to look hurt when he mentions all the companions
Kingdom Hearts III
Toymaker: Poor Kairi, mercilessly iced by Master Xehanort without having any character purpose in the game whatsoever.
Sora: Over a year of waiting, I eventually bring her back and she fights alongside me kicking his @$$.
Toymaker: OH WELL THAT’S ALRIGHT THEN!!!
Me: (Not to me it isn’t)
More of this please!!! Love love LOVE these other fandom versions
I'm trying to think of a Yugioh one...
'The Doctor... the man who never stops running. Never looking back because he *dare* not, out of shame...'
I've only seen the modern series. But I could definitely watch him bring up his older companions.
That's the SECOND reference by a powerful being to the Dr "preferring a red head". The other was made by the Dream Lord.
The bill pots one was below the belt 😢😢
They forgot Rory the reboot of the universe River Thong ... oh Song The impossible Girl saving Gallafray
I mean, it is what it is. If they included every single person/event, the scene would’ve stretched out to an awkward length, as is it’s greatly paced
I accept the Challenge.
Rory doesn’t even get mentioned XD
"Und then zere was Adelaide Brooke... But she killed herself vhen the Doctor tried to save her!"
"I nearly destroyed time and she needed to stop me!"
"OH WELL _THAT'S_ ALRIGHT THEN!"
Oh they should’ve done that!! It would’ve been the greatest insult, because there’s really no greater example of the tragedies he’s second-handedly responsible for; because Adelaide’s sacrifice was entirely his fault
I love how Toymaker doesn't even mention that Rory was killed by a Weeping Angel before Amy was.
If you want to get technical about it, Rory died twice because of the Weeping Angels in that episode
(Persona 3 AU)
"And then there was Makoto Yuki! The precious leader of SEES! But then he became a door!"
"He sacrificed himself to prevent the fall of mankind."
"Well that's alright then!"
I’d love to see other fandom edit versions of this
@@DjangoCaron I've got an AOT one if you want.
@@jamesdigennaro6705Connie calling out Eren for laughing at Sasha's death like that would be great
I feel like this scene would go well with Barnabas and/or Quentin Collins. Lot of bad endings were had by all.
I think he was proving a point. He wasn’t making fun. He did not like the doctors BS excuses!
I think it was a mixture of both, the Toymaker’s very being revolves around making fun and insulting others
The toymaker forgot about Ryan Graham Yaz and Dan. Guess they dont count. Mind you apparently neither do Rory and Nardol.
Besides Rory, the others didn’t have tragic fates. That’s what the scene was playing on - Dan left peacefully, on his own accord. Thirteen just ditched Yaz and Ryan left with Graham. Nardole was left to protect a colony. Amy, Clara and Bill all died. But yeah the Rory erasure is hilarious, seeing as it HAPPENS ALL THE TIME?!
He was only pointing out the ones that died because of The Doctor. Ryan, Graham, Yaz, and Dan never died, so they weren’t relevant to the point he was making
@@DjangoCaron guess he fell into the same crack in time as Dodo
@@DjangoCaron Well, it was always about Amy, even for the viewers too. and we all love Amy so much
@@krypto051But Rory was great too! Although I forgive RTD since it might’ve bloated the scene a little too much
Toymaker made a big mistake mentioning Clara, she's watching 😂
And Bill
Did anyone know The Toymaker was also the guy who took care of The Smurfs from the 2010 Smurfs movie
Neil Patrick Harris? Of course.
he was also in that Sitcom "How I met your Mother".
Well that's alright then
Doogie Howser MD
The Toymaker is so sick and evil for mocking 3 of the companions of the Doctor whom he lost after returning Donna home. A surprise that the Toymaker was able to realize that the Doctor had regenerated a lot since they last met when he was in his original form.
Who has the most power??? Bad Wolf Rose Who can see every atom of all existence and divide them, or the Toymaker?
Probably an equal fight
Pretty certain Rose nearly died from the whole Bad Wolf experience
@@british35Oh you’re right, forgot about that
There was also Graham, Yaz, and Ryan, not even a mention lol
No tragedy happened to them, that’s why he mentioned the Flux
the Idea of Flux was kinda cool, a Timewar 2.0... only instead of saving, it was resetting sadly
But wasn't the doctor supposed to forget everything about Clara? Then how could he know about the last second of her life?
In “Twice Upon a Time”, the glass memory people gave him back his memories of Clara
@@DjangoCaron Yesss! Bill's goodbye present!
A pity because the consequences of Hell Sent were effectively undone by this. Something I subtract points from in Twice Upon a Time even though I still do like the special overall.
Your profile pic looks like one of the flux planets XD
Well that's alright then!
The Toymaker: And then there was Doctor Who, the greatest TV show ever, until the Chris Chibnall era.
The Doctor: If not for the Chibnall Era, the show would not have survived long enough for this episode that we're in to exist and create this meme.
The Toymaker: Oh, well that's alright then.
i know we’re yet to see the payoff for this arc, but i love that the doctor doesn’t yet have a defence for the flux. he can come up with justifications for everything else to put his mind at ease, but when the flux is mentioned he has nothing. heartbreaking.
Scenes like this make you understand why RTD is so respected. If it was Moffat or Chibnall writing this there would be hardly anything from last eras being mentioned, but Russel embraced what came between his two eras and really made it part of his era. Even Tales of the Tardis had old characters come back to this universe, remembering what came before.
> If it was Moffat or Chibnall writing this there would be hardly anything from last eras being mentioned
Lmao, are you for real? Day of the Doctor had more past references within ten minutes than we had throughout all three 60th specials. Even Power of the Doctor did more, and that wasn't even an anniversary episode.
50th Anniversary was over the top mainstream shit. I don't even remember Power of the Doctor's plot, but I do remember the past references.@@novecentodb
My man really used "over the top mainstream shit" while defending RTD's Who
@novecentodb I defended the fact he mentions old continuity. I don't like over the top shit, so I don't like RTD's own Doctor who and other modern who era.
Chibnall did feature 80% of the living classic doctors in one episode.
I know it’s probably not gonna happen, but when smith comes back as 16, I need to see Amy and rory
That was an April Fools joke, Smith isn’t coming back
@@DjangoCaronApril Fools joke or not, I doubt we’ve seen the last of him. He himself said he would love to come back. Source: Morbius interview.
@@Mojo1356He said he’d love to come back as a villain, which is even cooler
@@DjangoCaron can’t we have both? Smith as a villain but then Smith coming back as the Doctor? Hey- if Peter Capaldi could start with a minor role and then take the lead altogether, I don’t see why not for Smith’s return.
PS
Matt Smith will always be my personal favorite Doctor.
@@Mojo1356He’s the best of the best, if he returned in ANY capacity I think I’d squeal and jump around like a little kid
It's actually quite sad that the Doctor tries to make excuses for all his partner's deaths, even if some of them now live in the worst conditions like Bill her consciousness trapped in a robot. I think the doctor needs to learn to let some of them die cuz there are fates worse then death and some of his partners have experienced them sadly.
Still would been ok this as a the Dr Ending movie.
It really is alright then. They could have been Adric.
I'm surprised the "ToyMaker" didn't mention anything about "Rose Tyler" seeing as she was a companion
Donna already knew about Rose
@@DjangoCaron Yeah, but wasn't the ToyMaker trying to hurt the doctor or make him angry?
@@Teshi_KokoroYes, by revealing truths he didn’t want Donna to know
@@DjangoCaron Ahh okay, I gotcha. I was just slightly confused as I thought he would've mentioned xD
The 10th doctor has now been split to be able to retire from being the doctor and live a full life for a second time after doing it with Rose. He has a well deserved retirement while a new doctor continues the job!
Well thats alrighty then!