It’d very interesting as well. He’s a madman and almost omnipotent, but he himself has to follow certain rules, because games can’t have meaning unless there is rules. That’s pretty clever to show the limitations of how much he can interfere with all of reality
@@SilverPlayer2002Like you said, it totally makes sense. In a way it also ties to that notion of immortals growing bored and apathetic since life loses meaning without death, essentially. So an omnipotent God who can do whatever it wants grows bored and purposeless unless it arbitrarily follows rules of games.
It's more telling that Donna would even consider that as such a normal occurrence. Like there's no concept of integrity or sportsmanship anymore. "Of course he'll cheat"?? That's the statement of a person with no integrity of their own 😮😮
You know, the Doctor realizing he can invoke "best of three" if he loses is kinda genius. It basically guarantees he survives this round and gets a second chance
I like to think he had that as a back up in his mind before he chose the game. Either an easy win or a fall back harder win. Like serving in Tennis, go for the ace, if you fault go again.
Every one I've talked to nodded when Best of Three was announced, showing "yeah, that's a universal rule of one-on-one." Like, no one is going to argue this point. Humans are fun.
It's almost like he wasn't aiming to win- like the point of that challenge was just to get an answer for what the Toymaker did to Earth. Winning and stopping him early would've just been a convenient bonus
He gets 2 chances at defeating the Toymaker with a chance of 50%, which leaves the Toymaker with a 25% chance of victory. Even he is not so big a fool.
I love how offended the Toymaker got when Donna said he would cheat, and even the Doctor defended him. Neil Patrick Harris was the best part of the specials, I hope we see him again soon.
I'm of two minds, in that I agree the Toymaker is amazing, but then I wonder if he can be brought back in a manner that could be better than the one we already got? The risk is either just doing of repeat of this episode, or something that wouldn't be as good; either case, it would be a letdown. I think it might be safer to treat the Toymaker like The Beast/Satan/Devil - that two-parter with the Devil was excellent, and the villain's reputation remains high despite never appearing again.
@@yanastasehe rigged every game he created, but that was in his domain. Inside our universe, the rules we invented are the only rules he has to follow
Rule One of traveling with The Doctor: "The Doctor lies." Rule _Two_ of traveling with The Doctor: "You're gonna have to run, a LOT. Every day is leg day in the Tardis."
I really hope we don’t have to wait another 57 years to see this guy again. “Turned galaxies into spinning tops, gambled with God and turned him into a jack in the box” BADASS
I just loved how casually 'cruel' he was. Just listing off some of the Doctor's more ill-fated companions with a smile and a shrug. Truly, wonderfully unpleasant. NPH played a great villain.
"That is someone else's game" did send chills down my spine. What is so terrifying, so mighty, that even the Toymaker didn't want to play with it and ran away?
It's a rather genius twist that despite being capable of literally anything the Toymaker is bound by the rules of the game and what's even more frightening is that his powers are not constrained to his dimension as he manipulated reality with ease inside of Unit HQ. The only way to beat him is fair and square.
Loved the special and happy to ignore the following, but if he doesn't cheat then you can just have a line of UNIT soldiers challenge him to 50/50 games. How many coin flips can he win before UNIT grunt Steve wins and sends him away?
@@nathandts3401 I think the deal is he had already agreed to a game with the Doctor and was thusly bound to finish it. He was just messing with UNIT to draw their attention, knowing how they would react, causing them to all fall into his hands. The only person he really wanted was the Doctor.
@haddy106 Actually, the first doctor apparently met him before, according to the original episode at least. But you never know which doctor and when was the first since y'know... Wibbly wobbly, timey wimey....
I see it more as like activating a sleeper agent, the toymaker pretty much seems to exist for the one purpose of playing a game, so when you ask him to play, it's his nature to say yes
By far my most favourite part of the episode. It’s so powerful and just shows travelling with the doctor isn’t always as wonderful as it seems. Plus a nice call back to Moffat’s era.
A bit of an odd thing to notice but an 8 was the perfect card for the writers to choose for the card the doctor reveals, because it’s high enough that you have hope the doctor will win, but still low enough that there is a serious danger that he’ll lose. Even though the consequence after this game isn’t severe, we don’t know that so it adds tension.
The game is 50/50 before The Doctor makes his cut, and it remains so after as there are 6 values on either side that the Toymaker could cut with Aces high, or 8s for a draw and reset. It leaves the game perfectly balanced for as long as they possibly can, adding to the tension.
I like how they incorporated the Toymaker's more controversial aspects into the character, having him put on mocking French and German accents to parallel the original Chinese presentation of him that's been more frowned upon in recent years. The most obvious issue with it to me was him adding "ge-" to the beginning of random present-tense verbs, which in German is done to past-tense verbs. He mocks people, languages, and cultures as he sees them as nothing more than toys to play with.
He’s not just doing French and German his English accent is over the top and fake as well but I do think they should have gone more over the top with the English and exaggerate it more
Or... Or... I know it's unbelievable but... what if the Toymaker's just precisely a powerful and almost omnipotent being from another dimension and just wore that outfit 'cause he liked it or for mere aestethic choice? And what if the Toymaker's simply puts on accents 'cause he don't want the Doctor to cheat again using his voice? As a powerful being, plus from another dimension, it doesn't make sense that he's racist (as it don't make sense the controversy about his past outfit, 'cause... it was not racist and in another dimension). He just mocks humans precisely because he sees them as toys or unworthy opponents, not because he's racist. All this I said answering to your comment, but it's an observation for those who believe the character itself is and was racist.
@@vittorio-vic-giammona2604 RTD has confirmed it. Also I'm not saying he's racist - he thinks of every entity in the universe as lesser than specifically him, and as a plaything. That's not racism, that's just a god complex. I'm also not saying any of the people who put the toymaker together were racist, just that today it appears problematic to many people. 'Celestial' itself has come to be understood as a derogatory term, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's usage at the time of original broadcast was inherently racist. Words and contexts change. I am not suggesting anyone is at fault of anything. Only that the celestial toymaker has become mildly controversial as a result of the modern context. So: "He just mocks humans precisely because he sees them as toys" was precisely what I said. You put words in my mouth. Part of that mockery is mocking cultures - all cultures. As all people's cultures are his playthings. Not out of racism, just because he finds it fun.
0:56 While I’m probably wrong, I really want this to be Omega. I believe the theory that the “Could have been king” is Omega, and the creatures featured in the second special, definitely fit the description of the creature in his army, the “Never were’s” is a fitting name.
(SPOILERS) I do love how the Toymaker’s monologue while setting up the cards 1.) provides a terrifying rap sheet of his abilities and what he is capable of, 2.) provides an explanation into the Doctor’s mismatched quest to learn about Division and their origins back in the last season, 3.) leaves the door open for the Master to return by revealing that he sought out the Toymaker to save him after getting fried during “Power of the Doctor”, and 4.) establishes the looming threat of Sutekh’s return while hinting that it would be his next incarnation who would take on that fight. All of which isn’t too overbearing and slipped into just a few seconds, neat :)
@@Zomboo actually I hope cancel culture keeps going as it's the only way to keep the powerful accountable nowadays. The #metoo movement was cancel culture.
@@obsidian4844 Too easy for completely innocent people to get caught in that. One false claim and a person is ruined. To each their own but Im glad its gone away. It was a horrible fad.
@@Zomboo even if it's a tool that is objectively abused, I believe it does more good in the world than it's absence. People use knives to kill each other but we don't forbid the usage of knives. Some (very very VERY few) people get falsely cancelled, but we shouldn't get rid of the one of the only means of voicing public opinion that's not controlled by the powerful.
@@obsidian4844"metoo" aka the movement "the_wealthy_guy_owned_me_10_years_ago_and_I_have_traces_of_his_assault_on_a_dress_I_kept_but_I_can't_bring_it_for_expertise_that_will_prove_me_wrong_but_you_have_to_trust_me"
@@MightyMarioBros378 I hope it's Omega since he's literally stuck in an anti-matter universe of his own making, just waiting for someone he can take his frustrations out on.
Interesting choice to make the final enemy of the series either Narinder from Cult of the Lamb or a member of the 0-5 council but new directions are always fun!
I think the Doctor drawing the 8 of clubs wasn't at random, it actually foreshadowed the ending of the episode through its meaning! In cartomancy and other aspects, the 8 of clubs basically represents the arrival of a turning point in a person's life, and encourages the strength and wisdom to follow the path to self discovery that comes from it. There are better descriptions online, these are just my words, but if you knew that beforehand, you could tell later that it related to the bigeneration and the Doctor deciding to finally stop and fix himself, the result of which being the next Doctor. It's a really clever detail!
I like how offended The Toymaker gets when Donna accuses him of cheating. He may be a sore loser, but he would never undermine his own games. That's his personal game, creating situations and rules that best his opponents fair and square. For what good is a victory made with fixed rules? And besides, fixed games are the easiest ones to beat.
0:35 Was the Toymaker responsible for the Timeless Children backstory? The Spy Master could've been the Toymaker all along He had the Master locked up in his tooth. Imagine Missy begging after she was shot by the other Master. Then all the masters/mistress laughing at the end as the lady picked up the ring.
He is as that was one of his puzzles in the jigsaw. The Doctor's entire life since the start of this series is one big Jigsaw puzzle the Toymaker made out of his life which explains why his time travel adventures is so random most of the time.
i like how if a character has a sort of gimmick they actually embrace it. like how the toymaker likes making reality into a game for his own fun. but more than that he actually enjoys games and has a code about playing games. yeah sure they say his existence is binded to the rules of the games, but at the same time they show how the toymaker is actually enraptured by play and he seems genuinely offended when donna says that he'll cheat
Theoretically you challenge him to ANY game in any form. You could LEGIT make a challenge as absurd as identifying the most ships in a show, or make him play Yu-Gi-Oh for real. Full best of 3, each player makes their own deck with ALL cards allowed from any source except for game-breaking cards.
I am rewatching this scene and MY GOD Niel can play! In 2:38 he is showing A LOT of emotions. First, when Tennant says in 2:38 "I won a game" and Niel Patric was showing confusion. Then anger And then in 2:48 "Best of Three" he is showing worriyng and disgust. In 2:51 he had shown hate, regret, and then "idea pop-up" in a fraction of second! What an EMOTION TOYMAKER
I loved NPH as count olaf in a series of unfortunate events and was delighted when I heard he'd play another villain in my favourite show, doctor who. he's just one of those actors you can trust 100% to kill a role.
I've just noticed that in the slight of hand at at 0:22; the Toymaker flashes the King of Hearts, and then the 8 of Clubs; which are the two cards eventually drawn at 2:21 and 2:11 respectively. In fact, if you look carefully, he goes to a bit of effort to show this to the camera (and the Doctor), but you're distracted by what he's saying. So, he either *is* cheating despite what he says, or maybe more likely, has some foreknowledge of the outcome. Damn neat detail either way.
Neil Patrick Harris as the Celestial Toymaker is easily the best villain in DW so far, and that's saying a lot for a show that's 60 years old. You could literally do an entire character analysis from just his facial expressions, and that's just from one episode. He had so much presence in every scene, I felt that he out acted David Tennant sometimes, and that's DAVID TENNANT in Doctor Who for crying out loud.
That’s perfect because the Doctor is technically scared because he’s celestial and doesn’t follow any rules except the rules of the game which he’s playing. It’s why he wanted Donna back into the Tardis
Hot take: david is a good actor, but not great. you can see in the day of the doctor how much matt and john out acted every step of the way, to the point I'm glad he has not acted together with capaldi's doctor, because in sheer talent and skill, he doesnt even come close. That said, he's still a great actor, and did a damn good job on doctor who while he was 10 and 14th, being his greatest moment the ep "the human nature/family of blood"
@@FelipeA81 Honestly, I agree 100% I guess what I meant to say is he outshone David Tennant, and seeing as he's a fan favourite, that's incredible. Matt Smith is my favourite, and one of the doctor's with the best acting skills, but you're right about Capaldi's Doctor. I think Matt is the only one that would have held his ground on the same screen. David Tennant would have been turned to shreds. I still love him, but those are facts,
Tiny little detail that i adore here. The Doctor cuts to an 8, which by the rules of the game, is perfectly in the middle. He literally had a 50/50 of winning that.
Great scene. I hope they eventually drop the whole scene from the beginning, on this channel. But, this moment is awesome, and sets up for another big villain. NPH really shined here, and not just because of his Master golden tooth.
Freaking Rtd laying the groundwork for sutekh all the way back here is wild. "the one who waits, thats someone elses game" also he says the doctor is "so small" later
that little monologue by the toymaker is a work of art, I don't know if they got a stand in for some of the card tricks (with how it is shot they could do that) but just the text on its own is worthy of a stage
I noticed that, too when I rewatched some clips. Someone has the theory that each tooth is someone who lost against the Toymaker. The Master was a special one which is why he became a gold tooth.
Fun small detail, when he showed his gold teeth, there is way more teeth than a normal human have. Having 40 teeth is one of the 32 marks of the Buddha in Buddhist teachings.
Can we talk about how Donna just starts to run the moment she hears the creaking of the stage falling? She's "ohh here we go again" and she just gets uo and runs before the doctor has to tell her
I loved the three new episodes of Dr. Who! The magic is still there! Also, I loved how the new doctor was introduced! Please bring the Toy Maker back! This episode was epic! Can’t wait for Christmas Day for Destination with the new doctor!👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
I like how NPH drops the accent during the game showing it was all a facade but the moment a game is on he's razor sharp and dead serious. He does it here and in the catch game too.
You know it’s weird, I feel like the toymaker mentioned "the one who waits" as a point to say that even if the doctor defeat the toymaker, something worse is coming their way!
Can we just appreciate the fact that Donna, despite being the Doctor’s companion before Amy, Clara and Bill, has to sit there and listen to how they all died. The toy maker makes the master look like a walk in the park.
Clever to choose simple games in this story. Toymaker might not cheat, but that doesn't rule out exploiting every loophole in the games rules. Leave the win to luck and personal skill at the game itself, not to whoever is a better rules lawyer.
"There's only one player I didn't dare face. The One Who Waits [...] That's someone else's game." I guess the Toymaker wasn't much a fan of Cult of the Lamb
Sure he was worried about the final fight but he was enjoying it, it’s just that it wasn’t his copy and the owner wanted it back before he got to beating it.
NGL, the first thing that popped into my head when the Doctor said "I challenge you to a game" was "Agni Kai" & while typing this comment... "Xiaolin Showdown"
Beep the Meep: "Wait til I tell the boss." Donna: "You mean that there is something so bad that the TARDIS ran away?" The Toy Maker: "There is one that I would not face." Mysterious person picks up the tooth. Just me?
The Toymaker: "Best of three." The Doctor: "Best of three." The Toymaker: "Then let's make it twenty, twenty three." I know this meant going to the year 2023 for the third and final game, but I have an alternative theory that the Toymaker was also bending the inviolable rule by vaguely suggesting to make the game a best of two thousand and twenty three rounds, since it follows from the dialogue that he and the Doctor agreed to play at least to the best of three to determine an overall winner. Therefore after these two games, the Toymaker and the Doctor have two thousand and twenty one more rounds to go, or two thousand and twenty after the ball game at the new UNIT headquarters, which could be a way of potentially bringing the Toymaker back in the future in an episode where the remaining rounds are played in a "Heaven Sent - Breaking the Wall" montage style between the two characters to torture a future incarnation of the Doctor.
So, this might be silly, and it might be obvious to other people, but something I like about this iteration of the Toymaker is Neil Patrick Harris. In addition to several other famous roles, and qualities, he's also very much into stage magic. Something like 5? years ago, he was even the guest for an episode Tanked, where Magic Castle club commissioned a tank, and Harris did some tricks. It was nice to get to see that aspect of him here, shuffling cards, misdirection senses, and basically being a "cosmic magician" where the heroes had to figure out how to deal with his stunts; how he did them was irrelevant.
So 14th pulled the "best of 3" tactic. But imo it should only work if the last doctor who played and won didn't claim his price. So the question is: is calling out the best of 3 a valid move in the first place? Because for me this should be a new game.
Why is no one talking about the toymaker's teeth! Stuff of nightmares I tell you. Is it to resemble all the people he sealed into his teeth, to sort pf show how many people have lost his games?
I love The Toymaker being insulted by the notion that he would cheat, he took that very personally.
“Shame”
It’d very interesting as well. He’s a madman and almost omnipotent, but he himself has to follow certain rules, because games can’t have meaning unless there is rules. That’s pretty clever to show the limitations of how much he can interfere with all of reality
@@SilverPlayer2002Like you said, it totally makes sense. In a way it also ties to that notion of immortals growing bored and apathetic since life loses meaning without death, essentially. So an omnipotent God who can do whatever it wants grows bored and purposeless unless it arbitrarily follows rules of games.
Loved that, both looked at Donna like "The very notion! Honestly we live in a society"
It's more telling that Donna would even consider that as such a normal occurrence. Like there's no concept of integrity or sportsmanship anymore. "Of course he'll cheat"?? That's the statement of a person with no integrity of their own 😮😮
You know, the Doctor realizing he can invoke "best of three" if he loses is kinda genius. It basically guarantees he survives this round and gets a second chance
I like to think he had that as a back up in his mind before he chose the game. Either an easy win or a fall back harder win. Like serving in Tennis, go for the ace, if you fault go again.
It also makes sense why he chose cuts in that case, but a game of skill later when there was no second chances
Every one I've talked to nodded when Best of Three was announced, showing "yeah, that's a universal rule of one-on-one."
Like, no one is going to argue this point. Humans are fun.
It's almost like he wasn't aiming to win- like the point of that challenge was just to get an answer for what the Toymaker did to Earth. Winning and stopping him early would've just been a convenient bonus
He gets 2 chances at defeating the Toymaker with a chance of 50%, which leaves the Toymaker with a 25% chance of victory. Even he is not so big a fool.
I love how offended the Toymaker got when Donna said he would cheat, and even the Doctor defended him.
Neil Patrick Harris was the best part of the specials, I hope we see him again soon.
The urony to see hul offended when every gamr ge made before was made to make him win
I'm of two minds, in that I agree the Toymaker is amazing, but then I wonder if he can be brought back in a manner that could be better than the one we already got? The risk is either just doing of repeat of this episode, or something that wouldn't be as good; either case, it would be a letdown.
I think it might be safer to treat the Toymaker like The Beast/Satan/Devil - that two-parter with the Devil was excellent, and the villain's reputation remains high despite never appearing again.
@@yanastasehe rigged every game he created, but that was in his domain. Inside our universe, the rules we invented are the only rules he has to follow
I loved the Toymaker❤❤ hope he comes back in the new series
Now I want to see Toymaker challenge someone to a MTG game. The term game can be pretty loose in this day and age
I just adore Donna's "I'm already running!" She knows exactly how this all goes down, every time.
The truest instinct of every companion 😂
@@brianreaver Usain bolt better be a episode just once even as a camo.
She's already used to it
Rule One of traveling with The Doctor: "The Doctor lies."
Rule _Two_ of traveling with The Doctor: "You're gonna have to run, a LOT. Every day is leg day in the Tardis."
@brianreaver the true instinct of companions who survive to day 2.
I really hope we don’t have to wait another 57 years to see this guy again. “Turned galaxies into spinning tops, gambled with God and turned him into a jack in the box” BADASS
If they stick to the new condition that The Toymaker set then we'll be seeing him around the time of the 16th doctor
I just loved how casually 'cruel' he was. Just listing off some of the Doctor's more ill-fated companions with a smile and a shrug. Truly, wonderfully unpleasant. NPH played a great villain.
If we only knew a Jack who was put into a box. Ultimately, you have to remember that You Are Not Alone.
he was defeated by a game of catch mate
@@essinfinite3293 thats just dr who mate
"That is someone else's game" did send chills down my spine. What is so terrifying, so mighty, that even the Toymaker didn't want to play with it and ran away?
This serie love foreshadowing, so we'll probably know it soon
Is that what the meep was referring to as well? @@mylesmichel9108
We never did meet the Nightmare Child, did we?
If it’s someone we’ve seen/heard of before, the betting money’s on one of Fenric, Zagreus, the Beast, Omega, or the Trickster.
@@jessehammer123 OH, THE TRICKSTER, DUH! We need him and his exact theme back.
It's a rather genius twist that despite being capable of literally anything the Toymaker is bound by the rules of the game and what's even more frightening is that his powers are not constrained to his dimension as he manipulated reality with ease inside of Unit HQ. The only way to beat him is fair and square.
Loved the special and happy to ignore the following, but if he doesn't cheat then you can just have a line of UNIT soldiers challenge him to 50/50 games. How many coin flips can he win before UNIT grunt Steve wins and sends him away?
@@nathandts3401 I think the deal is he had already agreed to a game with the Doctor and was thusly bound to finish it. He was just messing with UNIT to draw their attention, knowing how they would react, causing them to all fall into his hands. The only person he really wanted was the Doctor.
@@abyssalcrisis Wasn't there a line about him not having a choice whether or not to accept a challenge?
@@nathandts3401 best of 3
@@nathandts3401yeah but the person has to know to challenge him. And now the toy maker is sealed away from the universe
1:46 I love this moment where theyre both like "ew, Donna, too far-"
The Toymaker is genuinely offended.
Shows how much they know each other. True adversaries.
@@elijahlivingston9477true adversaries, having had only met once before
@haddy106 Actually, the first doctor apparently met him before, according to the original episode at least. But you never know which doctor and when was the first since y'know... Wibbly wobbly, timey wimey....
I love how the Toymaker’s face just falls as he knows that the Doctor knows his one weakness. “I challenge you to a game.”
I see it more as like activating a sleeper agent, the toymaker pretty much seems to exist for the one purpose of playing a game, so when you ask him to play, it's his nature to say yes
…and the disgust in his voice when Donna suggests he’d ever cheat!
Not how I see it. It was what he was waiting for.
"You jumped the gun a little bit, fidgeting with your cards. We're playing Starcraft 2 dear toymaker..."
@@Lumibear.Indeed. Like, "I'll kill, imprison, and torture for fun, but you dare imply I would ever cheat?! How rude!"
By far my most favourite part of the episode. It’s so powerful and just shows travelling with the doctor isn’t always as wonderful as it seems. Plus a nice call back to Moffat’s era.
1:56 I love how the Toymaker gets visibly upset when the Doctor speaks the truth on how the Toymaker is bound to the rules
A bit of an odd thing to notice but an 8 was the perfect card for the writers to choose for the card the doctor reveals, because it’s high enough that you have hope the doctor will win, but still low enough that there is a serious danger that he’ll lose. Even though the consequence after this game isn’t severe, we don’t know that so it adds tension.
But an 8 on its side is the symbol for infinity, so the doctor actually won.
@tomblack6167
Toy Maker: “That’s cheating! Shame.”
But yeah, good one. ;)
The game is 50/50 before The Doctor makes his cut, and it remains so after as there are 6 values on either side that the Toymaker could cut with Aces high, or 8s for a draw and reset. It leaves the game perfectly balanced for as long as they possibly can, adding to the tension.
This is the best episode of Doctor Who in years. Amazing ensemble cast who just can do no wrong. Every scene is a winner.
I like how they incorporated the Toymaker's more controversial aspects into the character, having him put on mocking French and German accents to parallel the original Chinese presentation of him that's been more frowned upon in recent years.
The most obvious issue with it to me was him adding "ge-" to the beginning of random present-tense verbs, which in German is done to past-tense verbs.
He mocks people, languages, and cultures as he sees them as nothing more than toys to play with.
He’s not just doing French and German his English accent is over the top and fake as well but I do think they should have gone more over the top with the English and exaggerate it more
I mean
NPH's British accent gives me Michael Gough vibes. He sounds evil enough 😈
Or... Or... I know it's unbelievable but... what if the Toymaker's just precisely a powerful and almost omnipotent being from another dimension and just wore that outfit 'cause he liked it or for mere aestethic choice? And what if the Toymaker's simply puts on accents 'cause he don't want the Doctor to cheat again using his voice? As a powerful being, plus from another dimension, it doesn't make sense that he's racist (as it don't make sense the controversy about his past outfit, 'cause... it was not racist and in another dimension). He just mocks humans precisely because he sees them as toys or unworthy opponents, not because he's racist. All this I said answering to your comment, but it's an observation for those who believe the character itself is and was racist.
@@vittorio-vic-giammona2604 RTD has confirmed it.
Also I'm not saying he's racist - he thinks of every entity in the universe as lesser than specifically him, and as a plaything. That's not racism, that's just a god complex.
I'm also not saying any of the people who put the toymaker together were racist, just that today it appears problematic to many people. 'Celestial' itself has come to be understood as a derogatory term, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's usage at the time of original broadcast was inherently racist. Words and contexts change.
I am not suggesting anyone is at fault of anything. Only that the celestial toymaker has become mildly controversial as a result of the modern context.
So: "He just mocks humans precisely because he sees them as toys" was precisely what I said. You put words in my mouth. Part of that mockery is mocking cultures - all cultures. As all people's cultures are his playthings. Not out of racism, just because he finds it fun.
@@alansmithee419 I really liked how the Doctor even said "We can be... Celestial"
at 1:25 the line delivery made me laugh so hard, it sounds a bit like he got cancelled and now i cant unsee that
"#CANCELLTHETOYMAKER HIS GAMES ARE RIGGED!!!!" "no they ARENT!!! 😠"
Toymaker EXPOSED on Twitter 😂😂😂
@@HHopebringerhe got ratioed and is still butthurt 💀
"Donna!"
"I'm already running!"
I love that exchange so much
The Toymaker was brilliant in this episode. We were really lucky to have Neil Patrick Harris play this character.
0:56
While I’m probably wrong, I really want this to be Omega. I believe the theory that the “Could have been king” is Omega, and the creatures featured in the second special, definitely fit the description of the creature in his army, the “Never were’s” is a fitting name.
(SPOILERS)
I do love how the Toymaker’s monologue while setting up the cards 1.) provides a terrifying rap sheet of his abilities and what he is capable of, 2.) provides an explanation into the Doctor’s mismatched quest to learn about Division and their origins back in the last season, 3.) leaves the door open for the Master to return by revealing that he sought out the Toymaker to save him after getting fried during “Power of the Doctor”, and 4.) establishes the looming threat of Sutekh’s return while hinting that it would be his next incarnation who would take on that fight. All of which isn’t too overbearing and slipped into just a few seconds, neat :)
"That's the game of 21st century. They shout, they type, and they cancel."
1:25 "and they cancel"
I rolled my eyes back so far I can see my brain.
Me too. But he isnt wrong, really. Thankfully, cancel culture is disappearing
@@Zomboo actually I hope cancel culture keeps going as it's the only way to keep the powerful accountable nowadays. The #metoo movement was cancel culture.
@@obsidian4844 Too easy for completely innocent people to get caught in that. One false claim and a person is ruined. To each their own but Im glad its gone away. It was a horrible fad.
@@Zomboo even if it's a tool that is objectively abused, I believe it does more good in the world than it's absence. People use knives to kill each other but we don't forbid the usage of knives. Some (very very VERY few) people get falsely cancelled, but we shouldn't get rid of the one of the only means of voicing public opinion that's not controlled by the powerful.
@@obsidian4844"metoo" aka the movement "the_wealthy_guy_owned_me_10_years_ago_and_I_have_traces_of_his_assault_on_a_dress_I_kept_but_I_can't_bring_it_for_expertise_that_will_prove_me_wrong_but_you_have_to_trust_me"
WELL THATS ALRIGHT THEN
genuis foreshadowing of sutek being the one who wait
2:27 I love so much how he delivers this line !
"Everybody wins and everybody loses".
That was brilliant. And so very Toymaker.
I’m guessing “the one who waits” will be the story arc of series 14 next year.
I hope it’s the Valeyard
@@MightyMarioBros378 I hope it's Omega since he's literally stuck in an anti-matter universe of his own making, just waiting for someone he can take his frustrations out on.
@@MightyMarioBros378 Or Sutek or Omega
Interesting choice to make the final enemy of the series either Narinder from Cult of the Lamb or a member of the 0-5 council but new directions are always fun!
@@stephenmurphy2212 could be a possibility
0:26 I love this line!
I love that he yells Donna's name and she's like "I'm already running!!!"
Neil Patrick Harris does a really good British accent! So clear and natural.
Through the episode, he was switching accents like it was nothing. He's damned good.
"The One who Waits."
"Who's that?"
"I saw it hiding...in Iran..."
It took me a second to realise what the joke was
Give some props to the actor of the Toymaker, HE KNOWS HOW TO SHUFFLE!
the toy maker just casually dropping the first clues at the next big bad
The Boss
+icer1249
*The One Who Waits*
I think the Doctor drawing the 8 of clubs wasn't at random, it actually foreshadowed the ending of the episode through its meaning! In cartomancy and other aspects, the 8 of clubs basically represents the arrival of a turning point in a person's life, and encourages the strength and wisdom to follow the path to self discovery that comes from it. There are better descriptions online, these are just my words, but if you knew that beforehand, you could tell later that it related to the bigeneration and the Doctor deciding to finally stop and fix himself, the result of which being the next Doctor. It's a really clever detail!
I like how offended The Toymaker gets when Donna accuses him of cheating. He may be a sore loser, but he would never undermine his own games. That's his personal game, creating situations and rules that best his opponents fair and square. For what good is a victory made with fixed rules? And besides, fixed games are the easiest ones to beat.
I love the quick moment showing he has hundreds of teeth lmao
I wanted NPH to say "challenge accepted" so badly!
0:35 Was the Toymaker responsible for the Timeless Children backstory?
The Spy Master could've been the Toymaker all along
He had the Master locked up in his tooth. Imagine Missy begging after she was shot by the other Master. Then all the masters/mistress laughing at the end as the lady picked up the ring.
He is as that was one of his puzzles in the jigsaw. The Doctor's entire life since the start of this series is one big Jigsaw puzzle the Toymaker made out of his life which explains why his time travel adventures is so random most of the time.
i like how if a character has a sort of gimmick they actually embrace it. like how the toymaker likes making reality into a game for his own fun. but more than that he actually enjoys games and has a code about playing games. yeah sure they say his existence is binded to the rules of the games, but at the same time they show how the toymaker is actually enraptured by play and he seems genuinely offended when donna says that he'll cheat
I feel like this is one of the best antagonist monologues I have seen in a while. I keep coming back to this scene for that. NPH really sold the role.
Theoretically you challenge him to ANY game in any form. You could LEGIT make a challenge as absurd as identifying the most ships in a show, or make him play Yu-Gi-Oh for real. Full best of 3, each player makes their own deck with ALL cards allowed from any source except for game-breaking cards.
Me when It’s my turn: 2:16
I am rewatching this scene and MY GOD Niel can play!
In 2:38 he is showing A LOT of emotions.
First, when Tennant says in 2:38 "I won a game" and Niel Patric was showing confusion.
Then anger
And then in 2:48 "Best of Three" he is showing worriyng and disgust.
In 2:51 he had shown hate, regret, and then "idea pop-up" in a fraction of second!
What an EMOTION TOYMAKER
The scariest part of this is when the Toymaker describes the 21st century so accurately
+seancarter7742
Facts
The only phrase to make this better
"Challenge accepted"
He loves the red heads " Wink "
I love how disgusted the toymaker was then donna assumed he would cheat
I loved NPH as count olaf in a series of unfortunate events and was delighted when I heard he'd play another villain in my favourite show, doctor who. he's just one of those actors you can trust 100% to kill a role.
1:46 The best part is how he reacts …
Literally as Barney Stinson 😂😂
He’s so offended to say he would cheat.
I love how his german accent completely fades during the challenge
He’s already my favorite villain. He’s the one villain the doctor cannot outsmart. He wins or he loses. And that’s it.
Love how he casually has the master locked away in his tooth and nobodys talking about it, Please keep him there 😂
Did you not see the episode?
SPOILERS:
The tooth gets taken by a mysterious hand after the Toymaker's defeat.
I've just noticed that in the slight of hand at at 0:22; the Toymaker flashes the King of Hearts, and then the 8 of Clubs; which are the two cards eventually drawn at 2:21 and 2:11 respectively.
In fact, if you look carefully, he goes to a bit of effort to show this to the camera (and the Doctor), but you're distracted by what he's saying.
So, he either *is* cheating despite what he says, or maybe more likely, has some foreknowledge of the outcome.
Damn neat detail either way.
“The one who waits” I would love if it turned out to be the Valeyard 😮
Toymaker is awesome, Neil Patrick Harris played the role perfectly
“I gambled with God, and made him a Jack in the Box.”
-Toymaker
Neil Patrick Harris as the Celestial Toymaker is easily the best villain in DW so far, and that's saying a lot for a show that's 60 years old. You could literally do an entire character analysis from just his facial expressions, and that's just from one episode. He had so much presence in every scene, I felt that he out acted David Tennant sometimes, and that's DAVID TENNANT in Doctor Who for crying out loud.
That’s perfect because the Doctor is technically scared because he’s celestial and doesn’t follow any rules except the rules of the game which he’s playing. It’s why he wanted Donna back into the Tardis
Hot take: david is a good actor, but not great. you can see in the day of the doctor how much matt and john out acted every step of the way, to the point I'm glad he has not acted together with capaldi's doctor, because in sheer talent and skill, he doesnt even come close.
That said, he's still a great actor, and did a damn good job on doctor who while he was 10 and 14th, being his greatest moment the ep "the human nature/family of blood"
@@FelipeA81 Honestly, I agree 100% I guess what I meant to say is he outshone David Tennant, and seeing as he's a fan favourite, that's incredible.
Matt Smith is my favourite, and one of the doctor's with the best acting skills, but you're right about Capaldi's Doctor. I think Matt is the only one that would have held his ground on the same screen. David Tennant would have been turned to shreds. I still love him, but those are facts,
I can not _wait_ to find out who picked up that gold tooth and who TM was afraid of.
I thought that too
My theory is that it’s jinx monsoon’s character
I have only just found out that NPH is an accomplished magician and actually did the card tricks himself. Amazing.
Tiny little detail that i adore here. The Doctor cuts to an 8, which by the rules of the game, is perfectly in the middle. He literally had a 50/50 of winning that.
Great scene. I hope they eventually drop the whole scene from the beginning, on this channel. But, this moment is awesome, and sets up for another big villain. NPH really shined here, and not just because of his Master golden tooth.
Donna: “I’m already running!”
Also Donna: *starts slowly jogging*
I love how he has too many teeth. JUST to terrify you subconciously. I've never seen anyone mention it though
I love the “No! Shame.” part so much lmao
Freaking Rtd laying the groundwork for sutekh all the way back here is wild. "the one who waits, thats someone elses game" also he says the doctor is "so small" later
that little monologue by the toymaker is a work of art, I don't know if they got a stand in for some of the card tricks (with how it is shot they could do that) but just the text on its own is worthy of a stage
NPH is a magician. all those tricks he did? he did them himself
@@AceKitteh holly smokes that is impressive
Anyone else concerned with the abnormally large number of teeth the toymaker seem to have?
I noticed that, too when I rewatched some clips. Someone has the theory that each tooth is someone who lost against the Toymaker. The Master was a special one which is why he became a gold tooth.
Fun small detail, when he showed his gold teeth, there is way more teeth than a normal human have. Having 40 teeth is one of the 32 marks of the Buddha in Buddhist teachings.
Can we talk about how Donna just starts to run the moment she hears the creaking of the stage falling? She's "ohh here we go again" and she just gets uo and runs before the doctor has to tell her
0:51 The One Who Waits
Never watched Dr. Who, but Toymaker is easily my favorite character. Probably should start watching
I loved the three new episodes of Dr. Who! The magic is still there! Also, I loved how the new doctor was introduced! Please bring the Toy Maker back! This episode was epic! Can’t wait for Christmas Day for Destination with the new doctor!👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
I loved this episode so much ❤🎉
Isn't this one of the episodes where they pander to the audience?
I like how NPH drops the accent during the game showing it was all a facade but the moment a game is on he's razor sharp and dead serious. He does it here and in the catch game too.
You know it’s weird, I feel like the toymaker mentioned "the one who waits" as a point to say that even if the doctor defeat the toymaker, something worse is coming their way!
"I'm already running!" Does a slow jog.
Can we just appreciate the fact that Donna, despite being the Doctor’s companion before Amy, Clara and Bill, has to sit there and listen to how they all died.
The toy maker makes the master look like a walk in the park.
NPH getting to show off his sleight of hand tricks!
Clever to choose simple games in this story. Toymaker might not cheat, but that doesn't rule out exploiting every loophole in the games rules. Leave the win to luck and personal skill at the game itself, not to whoever is a better rules lawyer.
"Giggle"
"Skip over"
"I'm already running"
#Games
The toymaker has an uncanny smile with way too many teeth
"There's only one player I didn't dare face. The One Who Waits [...] That's someone else's game."
I guess the Toymaker wasn't much a fan of Cult of the Lamb
Sure he was worried about the final fight but he was enjoying it, it’s just that it wasn’t his copy and the owner wanted it back before he got to beating it.
"Pick your game."
"League of Legends."
"You won this round."
NGL, the first thing that popped into my head when the Doctor said "I challenge you to a game" was "Agni Kai" & while typing this comment... "Xiaolin Showdown"
God! I am so excited for these next episodes! The One Who Waits is almost here!
Beep the Meep: "Wait til I tell the boss."
Donna: "You mean that there is something so bad that the TARDIS ran away?"
The Toy Maker: "There is one that I would not face."
Mysterious person picks up the tooth.
Just me?
Toymaker clearly watch squid games.
NPH was SO GOOD in this role for someone who had never seen Doctor Who. a legen....wait for it...dary...performance
"I made a jigsaw out of your life" "Hear that guys, we kinda, sorta did something about the timeless child thing... sorta"
"I accept the challenge" I see what you did there
Loved this!
This episode was amazing
I really loved that episode until the Bigeneration. I really didn’t like that
What is so more powerful to scary the toymaker is of greater concern
Clearly it is Rory Williams, he is the one who waits
That may just be case
"The One Who Waits" ... why does that sound so familiar?
"i am the one who walts" - Waiter White
I love how genre-savvy Donna is. “I’m already running!”
The Toymaker: "Best of three."
The Doctor: "Best of three."
The Toymaker: "Then let's make it twenty, twenty three."
I know this meant going to the year 2023 for the third and final game, but I have an alternative theory that the Toymaker was also bending the inviolable rule by vaguely suggesting to make the game a best of two thousand and twenty three rounds, since it follows from the dialogue that he and the Doctor agreed to play at least to the best of three to determine an overall winner. Therefore after these two games, the Toymaker and the Doctor have two thousand and twenty one more rounds to go, or two thousand and twenty after the ball game at the new UNIT headquarters, which could be a way of potentially bringing the Toymaker back in the future in an episode where the remaining rounds are played in a "Heaven Sent - Breaking the Wall" montage style between the two characters to torture a future incarnation of the Doctor.
So, this might be silly, and it might be obvious to other people, but something I like about this iteration of the Toymaker is Neil Patrick Harris. In addition to several other famous roles, and qualities, he's also very much into stage magic. Something like 5? years ago, he was even the guest for an episode Tanked, where Magic Castle club commissioned a tank, and Harris did some tricks. It was nice to get to see that aspect of him here, shuffling cards, misdirection senses, and basically being a "cosmic magician" where the heroes had to figure out how to deal with his stunts; how he did them was irrelevant.
So 14th pulled the "best of 3" tactic. But imo it should only work if the last doctor who played and won didn't claim his price. So the question is: is calling out the best of 3 a valid move in the first place? Because for me this should be a new game.
Why is no one talking about the toymaker's teeth! Stuff of nightmares I tell you. Is it to resemble all the people he sealed into his teeth, to sort pf show how many people have lost his games?
Moments like this make the show timeless.