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What MTB Tech Trends Will We See In 2021? | GMBN Tech Show Ep. 157
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ม.ค. 2021
- On the Tech Show this week Doddy takes a look at the mountain bike events we have to look forward to in 2021; Sea Otter, the Malvern's Classic, and Global Bike Festival to name a few! Also up for discussion, what MTB trends will we see in 2021? Let us know your thoughts in the comments below!
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What mountain bike trends do you think we will see in 2021?
Hopefully nothing bizzare
Electronic things in bicycles
Electric bicycles
27.5 fading off
29er dominating in every aspect from road (700c) to downhill
1x for all MTB from cheapest to flagships, from XC to DH
Increased travel to forks and shocks
-- More mullet bikes - the death of 27.5 front wheels??
-- An increase in high pivot bikes
-- Yeti emtb (hopefully!!)
-- Long travel light emtbs with lower powered motors...
-- Lots of delayed bikes due to covid
-- The rise of more UK produced stuff due to brexit
Oval chain rings?
One that should disappear is companys selling bikes with sram torque caps on there wheels
Predictions:
-The industry will take longer than we all like to catch up with production shortages, so we will see both an increase in the 2nd hand market (again) and any new tech launched will only become available long after the digital press camps.
-Racing will be pushed back and the field will be very different from previous seasons as riders struggle with bridging the lockdown.
-DH bikes will become closer to being custom rather than off-the-shelf - like a rally car, they will still be the pinnacle, but not something the average rider will ride.
-Tyres will launch with inserts built in
-EMTBs will evolve quicker than MTB and the gap between them will widen - trails will be added with uphills which are almost impossible on a standard MTB just to keep everyone happy.
Dream:
-I can't be the only person who deams of the day we can talk in Metric standards.....
And I will make a video of the Bike Cave once it is finished :-)
I for one, would welcome the opportunity to purchase a 2nd hand 2019 or 2020 model of a Nukeproof.....problem is where to find them....I will not buy on Gumtree or eBay on principal....any good MTB forums that are reputable sources for these?
Grim outlook but fairly spot on from how things are going. Hopefully the outcome is the polar opposite!
@@RicardoPetrazzi pinkbike is a good one.
@@Cicada-rn1fz Ah, thank You!
@@Cicada-rn1fz Thanks again, think I found somethings! Fingers crossed!
At the rate we're handling the pandemic here in the US and most specifically California, good luck with Sea Otter. I wouldn't hold my breath.
yeah I don't think 2021 is going to be much different lmao
Yes, nothing before august/september at least....
Sea otter has been officially moved to October. 🤞🏽
Thank you for mentionining 27.5 inch. With everyone raving about 29ers being faster etc. many forget that sometimes it's ok not to be the fastest and just ride for maximum fun. None of us here are good enough to become pro racers i bet, so why not maximize on fun instead.
preach
Couldn't agree more. Lots of fun to be had without being the fastest down the mountain.
Agreed. I went from a 26 to a 29 this year and couldn’t help noticing the lack of agility from the bigger wheels. I’ll definitely be going for 27.5 wheels on my next bike
@@hankpog3907 or replace them on your current bike. Check out the Pro's closet
26 on the front, 29 on the rear..... The Mega Mullet!!
Trek did the 69er back in 2008
Isnt that the wrong way around for a mullet
@@bongocat5223 think it will be called a skullet
Hi Doddy, I sincerely hope that mountain bike manufacturers actually take a single minute to actually care about bike fit in their sizing guidelines. Perhaps it's because I was a roady, but crank arm lengths and qfactors were key components of an optimal fit. 175mm cranks on a medium frame is INSANE. It behooves the industry to be conservative on crank arm lengths if they care about the long term health of customers. There will be many people forced to quit riding due to worn out knees and bad hips and backs etc... Q-factor and crank arm lengths have a greater impact on pedaling efficiency, as well as endurance and long term health of a rider's joints. A healthier and less fatigued rider will be in mountain biking a lot longer. The extra torque generated by longer cranks on a mountain bike are marginal, and probably contribute to greater wheel spin at the back. Also, in the attack position, the farther apart your feet are from one another, you've reduced the amount your legs can contribute in absorbing bumps or more of a symmetrical dexterity for cornering. I tried 175 cranks on my bike (normally 170mm), and right away i noticed I wasn't pumping as well, and the differences in my left/right cornering were exaggerated. The pedaling efficiency also went down in my case. I'm saying all this with the full understanding that size and fit are subjective, however I can't ever remember a fit methodology (NECA fit kit, Keith Bontrager, KOPS) which resulted in a rider under 5'10" riding with 175mm cranks unless they were doing TT's or track work. I've gleaned so much from GMBN since I started mountain biking 7 years ago. Many thanks for the great content!!! PS: if you aren't shuttling or on lifts, it's statistically impossible for you to not spend more TIME seated and pedaling going up, vs. standing on the pedals going down.
OUTSTANDING post. Yes. This!!!
3:15 "Don't hackle me, hackle Blake"
lol, scared of the monster's you might attract?
Exactly Doddy! The only legit presenter on the whole Network. Fair play and totally agree. Gravel bikes are for sheep! A product of marketing. Give it another year and they're gonna have suspension forks and flat bars. Oh wait, an xc hardtail.
I used to feel the same way about gravel bikes until I built one up for fun.
I love it, it's so versatile that I've sold my road bike and now just have two sets of wheels ready to go.
I think it's definitely a road bike that can handle off road, not an old school XC bike.
"Flat bar gravel bikes"! LOL. Those are just rigid hard tails! As my grandpa used to say, "That dealer sure saw you coming"!
My first adult-size bike was a cheap completely solid steel-frame "Pacific Ricochet" my parents bought from K-Mart (American superstore) in the mid-90's.
I was just at the bike shop to buy my first new bike in 25 years and couldn't get over how much "hybrids" and gravel bikes (minus the drop bars) look like mountain bikes from the early-mid 90's...
None of the shop employees seemed to recognize the resemblance...
@@DeadlyPlatypus LOL. Yes, I'm old enough to know what you mean and I know K-Mart. I'm here in the States. :)
Yes! Cushcore will change the way you ride, and the feel of your ride! Hands down one of the best upgrades I’ve done on my Transition Patrol.
Tannus Armour? Just put some in mine. Not only puncture protection but better ride.
Trends discussion starts at 7:56
Doddy its January, it's freezing temps everyday, wet with soppy snow and GMBN Tech keeps me in the riding faith!
10:00 you got a point there - being a tall rider with long feet (1,96m, and 49 or 6'5" and 15) my heels are often rubbing on the rear chainstays. This will only get worse with with even wider rear axles.
I entered a gravel bike race at the Sea Otter, using a hardtail MTB with narrow MTB tires, essentially gravel tires for a MTB. It was nice having the suspension when I needed it and able to lock out too. This was about 5 years ago.
Biggest improvement in MTB history for our whole scene in the last decade must be Doddy making video's for everyone to watch at the GMBN Tech channel
Gravel bikes make a lot more sense in an arid climate. It's the same principal where a short travel bike offers more than a burly enduro bike on most trails. A drop bar gravel bike on dry, smoother trails and particularly fast singletrack is an absolute blast. On trails like that even a trail bike would be dull.
Privateer 141 looks awesome - I defy anyone to say otherwise! Can’t wait to get one on order 😍
Happy New Year to you too Doddy and everyone at GMBN and chat! 🍻
I agree, Doddy. Super wide is NOT required, use 32/ 36 spokes if necessary. We don't need a wider back end just a stronger one, and like some of the other commenters here my feet sometimes catch the stays on some bikes already. A great way to stop sales for bike companies, is to make them impractical.
When I first saw Doddy’s Muc Off apron I thought it said “Daddy” 😂
Doddy you have got to play that "alarma! bomba!" Song from megavalanch when you DJ at the festival.
@Andrew Dodd yeah it really is an awful tune, but a mtb meme. I bet people would love it.
I may be the only one to say this, but the old Cannondale train station head badge is my favorite. Was on my first road bike.
Great to have you back in 2021 Doddy! Love your enthusiasm, just what we need in these times :)
Started to use my Gravel Bike more than my Trail Bike. Better for longer mixed road/off road rides and really fun off road 😬, more of a challenge, a real test of skill!
Happy New Year to Gmbn and Gmbn tech 🤘
My 1991 steel rigid flat bar Gary Fisher is suddenly a current bike again.
Agree on the 27.5 trend for longer travel bikes, I have a 27.5 enduro and 29 hardtail and trail bikes - perfect mix for me!
To me the coolest head-badge has to be Ibis. Sleek, elegant, understated, meaningful. Great design.
"Goes like stink'? Thank you Mr Dodd...always an education.
Coolest headtube badges were surely Maverick. Each bike individually named and the build date etched in to the badge...
Another great show, Doddy! You often say, "I'd really like to do a show on that sometime", and I would like to say that I hope you do no matter the topic! As a late-comer to mountain bikes, I like to hear about different aspects of the history and development of the sport into what we see today.
Coolest head tube badge has to be the 2nd ‘sliding yeti’ Badge.
Any XC bike can be a perfect gravel bike. What are the drop bars for?
Oh man I am exhausted. Brilliant, absolutely spoton entertainment.
Hey Doddy, love the show and love above all your passion that we can feel throughout all of your video !! Keep up, it's so nice to see somebody so passionate !!
I'll post soon some photos of my totally renewed bike cave ...
You had a nukeproof digger a couple of years ago. I love mine for local rides and improving fitness. Makes what would be easy of road trails fun and exciting
Yessss, let's have a proper look at gravel bikes. I tried riding a road bike instead of XC bike on dusty trails this summer; it was nice to have something so light and pointy. Definitely interested in a gravel bike this year.
Orange (Purple) AirO - chain stay protector came from eBay, fairly easy to find. The pedals have since been changed to better Black DMR’s and my daughters got the purple ones on her bike (they were temp to get riding!). Cheers for featuring it on my birthday 😎
Seeing that San Andreas at the end brought back some good memories, I used to ride with a small bike shop owner in Tucson AZ.
I really want to get to the Steel Is Real event this year if it is back on.
The funny thing is that steel isn't always real as there are so many factors that matter more.😃
Doddy, I'm with you on the gravel bikes. I understand that they probably have their niche, but I think 90% of them are going to end up looking exactly like old school xc bikes with bigger diameter wheels.
Return of Manitou? for some reason most review channels love fox and RS, and dabble in CC or DVO, but never talk about Manitou.
The Manitou Mattoc and Mezzer forks are loved and raved about by many. And now they have renewed their XC fork the R7 Pro, it's finally similar weight to SID or SC fox. but with the suspension tech of the Mattoc... I've just ordered mine! and can't wait!
No need for gravel bikes but you need cross country, down country, all mountain, enduro and whatever else I missed. 😂
157mm is great been riding it for a year and really like it i do hope its the new standard many benefits.
For someone who grew up in Malvern, I so hope the Malvern Classics goes ahead.
Norco torrent head tube badge, love the classic look
Covid-19 is devastating California, i think you might be waiting another year, or longer.
Coolest head tube badge is the KONA from the mid 90s with the Jungle leafs
Gary fisher (before trek), Santa Cruz, and Marin have the best headtube badges
Airliners FTW! Been on them for two seasons on both my bikes. Even got to experience the run flat side benefit at the bike park.
Hang on, flat bar gravel bikes. I bought one of these about ten years ago.....it was called a HYBRID!!!
Coolest head tube badge is a “Dales Pale Ale” Maverick AMERICAN NOS stainless steel head tube badge
Is it just me or does everyone seem to ignore lapierre? Is there a reason for this, because they are not really a small brand.
@Oscar GilroyBewell me and my dad have both had them for years and never had issues with them
dear gmbn, we dont care how long the sea otter video is. make it 5 hours if you want (but don't die on the editing chair lol)
Variety, you would get a gravel bike because you allready have a MTB in the case of most people watching this. I ride my gravel bike because its fun on the trails that are boring on my Scout and would still be boring on an XC bike. Gravel bikes allow for mixed riding as they are good for anything from road to tamer mtb trails, where as an XC bike will be more boring and slower on the road and gravel. For the types of riding that you would do on a gravel bike, drop bars are more comfortable, assuming it fits you properly, as they allow you to move position. And your XC bike that weights 10-11kg proberly cost twice what my gravel bike costs, to get an xc bike as light as my gravel bike you would have to spend 3 times as much. Also I can go to my closest trail centre and embarrass some people on trail bikes bikes.
Top call on the MRP chain device on the orange...I was thinking the same.👌
Bought a great bike this year and I think I did it at the right time. There are great advances, but, not that much, so, a bit of upgrading and I think I will still feel fresh.
I just got nukeproof ard and it’s great I run a maxxis ardent on a trek marlin 5 and I lower the pressure with an insert and it feels great like closer to a trail bike now I purchased the ard because I kept burping when landing sideways I whipped and didn’t pull it straight on 3 psi and the tyre didn’t even roll or burp great invention great design great price
Old Cotic headtube badge for the win.
The flat bar gravel bikes are the same as the 90s mountain bikes lol
One thing I see is un-marketed carbon frames directly from the manufacturers in china - go to ebay, amazon or better yet ali-express, and search for an xc carbon frame. I personally bought one of these, a Lexon Spark, and it is really really nice - AM specs at XT weight. Built by American machines. Lighter than name brands and a fraction of the price. Also un-marketed components - The sensah brand - a xt insipired comp set - but definitely not a clone - it has its own engineering - is nicer than sram in my opinion - and at a fraction of the price.
Doddy, do you remember Rock Lobster??? They had a cool cartoon lobster on the head tube.
They still make bikes! the original hand made variants from California, rather than the cheaper far east made models sold through Merlin a few years back in the UK. www.rocklobstercycles.com :)
I've already got one! 👍
VooDoo wins the head tube badge contest. Crazy looking. I love them.
Nah check the yeti ones to tho
I think most of the headtube badges are pretty cool, but currently I think the Nukeproof radioactive badge is pretty hard to beat.
Ordered a Privateer 141 in October, super excited! The canfield head tube badge is cool.
How long do we have to wait for XC Vs gravel Soddy comparison? I want to spend money and want to know your thoughts before I do 💸
The old Salsa badge was cool.
everyone talking about 27.5 inch and 29 inch wheels and im here still riding a 26 lol
Ragley has to be a contender for coolest headtube badge
Best head tube badge... hmmm... Animal BMX has a good one, S&M BMX has an iconic classic. Total BMX recently made a nice one for the Killabee K4. Okay, this is an MTB channel so, Nukeproof, if that were a badge not a decal it'd be sick. Orange has the most iconic and beautiful actual badge in my opinion.
Park tool logo on the wall on top of your head looks like budweiser logo
#AskGMBNTech
Hi Doddy, hope you're doing good. I've got a question about some not so new tech
My Fox 32 Performance has a 150mm travel and fitted on my 2016 Scott Genius. Bike was bought brand new in July 2020
I'm experiencing some vibration and a 'knocking' sound when I'm braking (front brake) heavily on a steep smooth road.
I'm not sure what it is but it feels like it's coming from the front axle and makes me think something is going to come off
I've checked everything I can:
1. Headset for creaks. I've even cleaned them and made sure there's no play
2. Brake caliper is mounted securely on the fork
3. Brake rotor is tightened correctly onto the wheel (Shimano centre lock type). Rotor is not bent as I do not hear any rubbing when front wheel is spinning
4. Wheel spokes are tensioned correctly
5. My wheel which is built around a standard Shimano 15TA x 100mm hub spins smoothly without any creaks from the bearings
6. I've even tried loosening and also slightly tightening my QR TA. Same symptoms occur under both conditions
I'm not sure what else can be the culprit. The same 'knocking' sound is also heard when I cycle my front suspension
Would you know what could be the problem? Is it because a Fox 32 isn't really stiff enough for 150mm of travel and the vibration and knocking sound is due to the fork flexing a little during heavy braking? I hope it's not anything to do internally with the fork.
Please please please help. Thank you so much in advance. Lots of love from Malaysia
The Crust Scapegoat has the best head tube badge!
Great show Doddy
Looking foward to what 2021 brings for mountain biking
I would say the Guerrilla Gravity or the Cotic head tube badge is the coolest!
Excellent point on the Gravel Bikes and look forward to you doing a head-to-head with an XC mtb.
I’m not so keen on the old two bike comparison videos they always seem set up to favour one bike.
When I initially got my gravel
Bike I was riding a fair amount of mtb stuff on it. Yea it can do it but it’s grim, not something you wanna spend a lot of time doing. As an XC mtb would be much quicker and more comfortable for sure!
But then for the miles of disused railways turned into public footpaths and old country back roads and woodland single track its great it eats up the miles on these railways.
Pre lockdown I’d spend most my time at the Golfie riding enduro but if I want a change or scenic social ride, I’d pick up the gravel bike point it in a direction and just go.
I have a feeling people were looking for the old fashioned MTB, did not want to admit that and 'invented' the gravelbike..
I can see the use of a flatbar gravelbike where I live (in the Netherlands), but a full suspension cross country bike (with full lockout) would have my preference
I think most of the head tube badges are pretty cool, but currently I really like Nukeproof’s radioactive badge.
Coolest head badge? Any 1996 Kona bike.
Coolest headtub badge.. Mullet bikes!
Dody looks more like 80s grand dody with that tash
ibis head tube badge is beautiful, gold gives it some class.
Thanks guy's you've been a god send to me . Keep it coming .
Doddy, sadly the XXL Izzo doesn't have the clean straight line between the toptube and seatstay.
Honestly i think Pipedream has one of the coolest badges.
That Orange co. frame is so cool !!
Yes Doddy! I'm also a DJ, would love to see what sort of music you play mate!
Thinking of using an office chair gas lift cylinder for a mtb dropper post (with some adjustements), because i ran out of money again after doing so many mtb gifts to myself. What do you think?
Im a nukeproof fan but have had problems with their inserts ( ard ) they stretch , don’t sit right , end up with a rattle vibration, ended up ripping them out and getting cushcore
The question shouldn't be "why do we need gravel bikes". The crux of the issue is, why are xc bikes still called xc bikes? They have moved well past the downhill capability of the xc bike of even 5yrs ago. Gravel bikes exist because the mountain bike community left a hole to be filled. Given the projected numbers of sales it appears it is a really big hole. As well, even if gravel bikes move toward flat bars( with bar ends?) they'll still be a gravel bike.
I have a Cannondale Habit 5 with an alloy frame, it is a bit heavy but actually I can climb almost everything and descend almost everything in the Alps ! Work out thoses legs and lungs 🤟😀
Put Cube Stereo in that conversation
VooDoo has the coolest head tube badge.
You forgot 28.6mm bars in there, there weren't many, most notable is Azonic.
As the owner of a gravel bike they are useless apart from commuting. By a road bike and plan rides on roads and have great fun, buy a mountain bike and have great fun on trails. Buy a gravel bike and have an average ride on roads and trails where you are frustrated almost all the time.
I have 2 gravel bike (Orro Terra C and BH Gravel x which has flat bars.and 2 mtb. I don't think I would like to do a long ride on any mtb mostly due the the lack of hand position available. Also £ for £ the mountain bike will be heavier, lower spec. Both graavel bikes have 2x chainsets which is more preferable imo for longer rides. I have done long rides on older mtb's but back when they were lighter (26") and had a lot more gears, but was knackered at the end, while a long ride on a gravel bike is no problem.
What annoys me with changing standards is the way the indsustry wholesale abandons the old standards so quickly. I loved my Inbred, but ended up having to replace it after I crash damaged some parts purely due to lack of availability of kit for it. Ride a brand new Nukeproof Scout now, and now I'm wondering how long before that's obsolete?
#askgmbntech so after hearing about inserts for a while, your explanation in this video and reading the write up on the Vittoria webpage about their inserts has me seriously considering it for the first time. Here are some wonderings I have about them and their effects when running tubeless already. At roughly 200+ grams for inserts for the 2.6 to 2.8 width tires I prefer to run (for more cushion, traction, and simply the confidence-inspiring psychology of looking at that fat front tire as I approach an obstacle), it seems to me here we have a weight trade-off between a more endure/DH casing vs. a trail/XC casing as far as rotational mass/inertia goes. I'm a less is more fan in that dept. for sure and normally don't ride a lot of sharp rocks so I normally run a trail type casing (not DH or XC). It also seems we have a stiffness trade-off where if you run the insert, you can get away with a more supple casing that is lighter, so putting those two observations together, it seems a lighter casing tire with an insert is a wash on weight and a wash on durability/flat resistance (pinch flat anyway). It seems by reducing the air volume, in the tire even at the same PSI due to the volume the spacer takes up, we'd have more progressivity in response to tire compressions with the insert and less air volume versus no insert and more air volume, just like you would expect by inserting volume spacers into an air suspension component. Also, adding to this effect, it seems the inserts themselves have a kind of progressive compression since the small compressions just compress the corners of the insert which are less resistant to compression until you get into the full width thickness of the insert and then it's more resistant to crushing, and therefore is in itself has a progressive as opposed to linear response to compression force. Is this true? If so, that would lead to why one can run lower tire pressures with these inserts which should result in more trail compliance and increased contact by the tire leading to more grip over uneven terrain as the tire can more readily conform to the shape of say, a root. that being said, if pressures are TOO low, it seems the knobs would be more likely to just compress the carcass and be lest of a force cutting into loam and grabbing traction from penetrating down INTO the trail dirt, which we also know creates grip. So a bit of a mixed bag to a certain extent on grip perhaps? though i would imagine better overall grip in many conditions. Finally, my one concern with inserts is that with reduced air pressure and more compression of the tread surface contacting the trail, we'd like be anticipating an increase in rolling resistance at lower pressure, just like we would without inserts. Can you confirm this as well? And finally....how much % change in pressure are we talking based on the inserts? For example, if I run a 27.5x2.8 at 20 PSI up front and a 27.5x2.6 @ 22 PSI in the rear, if I put these inserts in both front and back (probably an XL up front and a L in back), what pressures would you expect I should be able to run with the inserts for comparable or improved performance? My riding weight is around 210-215 with all gear on etc. Thanks for this tip!
Jeff
weight trade off I was referring to was trail casing tires plus inserts equalled DH casing for weight/rotational inertia
Would love to see a law made in UK that even in lockdowns, we as MTBers can access, by travelling in a vehicle, the nearest trail centre or Bike Park so we don't put pressure on the NHS by riding our MTBs on the dangerous roads.
You’re delusional
Conversely with so much pressure on hospitals I’m paring my riding back to local XC blasts. The NHS doesn’t need my clumsy arse crashing and filling up an ICU bed.
Has any one actually been stopped. I went to swinley forest with a mate place was rammed. Me and my mate are in a bubble (he has a new born child and my wife and his wife are besties)