This wasn't an expensive mistake; it just cost me 12 hours of time to fix and 15 dollars. I pumped up my mountain bike tires to their max psi of 60 for a road ride, but my rim couldn't handle the pressure and the tire blew off the rear rim while I was riding. I had to bend the rim back and jb weld the rim joint which slightly split apart. I also had to repair my tire bead and sidewall which got caught in the cassette. Glad I had alloy wheels that day and it was definitely a lesson learned.
Hans Rey also was my hero. When we couldn't ride a section of trail we used to say "Hans would ride that". My favourite expression of Hans' is "on a suspension bike, you can ride over all kinds of obstacles" in a German accent. Great guy.
Oooooh Fox Vs. Rockshox? I'm team Rockshox, purely because I was bike mechanic when Fox launched their forks and they had a five minute service interval between having to replace the damn seals.
I’m here to let everyone know about an important experiment I have conducted, and the results are in.... Tan Sidewall tires make you 18% faster (tested on a 1.2k downhill track) and 100% cooler than everyone else.
Thanks for the recommendation for no way Doddy.. I was at the 92 bike expo at ally pally and got to see him perform and sign my gt brochure.. Been a GT fan ever since.. In fact still have my 92 Karakoram (tequila sunrise) which is one of my prize possessions.. Keep up the great work.. 🤙
Some years ago I accidentally grabbed the reverb fluid instead of the dot and bleed both guide brakes with it... destroyed the seals on both levers! On the bright side I learned that the orings in the calipers are not that sensitive. Did a couple more tests and spent the next 3 years running a shimano lever with a sram caliper using mineral fluid! On another occasion i shortened my chain using the chain pin and not the Shimano pin or a missing link. Almost at the top of Corcovado mountain in Rio de Janeiro my chain broke grabbed the derailleur and shoved it into my rear wheel! Good thing the way back home was mostly downhill and it didn't damaged the rear wheel too much
Put my bike on the roof of my car. Drove to leogang. After 6h of driving i forgot having the bike on the roof. Checked into my hotel. Went to the carpark and drove against the ceiling. Bike fell off the car. Damage: Broken roof on my relatively new car, broken rooftop mounting, broke the screw inserts of the car for the bikemounting and scratches all over the trunk of the car. Luckily the bikes where almost undamaged (just some paint scratches and a broken brake cable) Total cost: >3000€ Start into vacation: priceless
My first memory of a "professional" mountain biker was a Hans Rey poster hanging in a friend's bedroom. Think I'll need to dig up a copy of that classic to hang in the bike cave...
I'm still running a 2005 Marzocchi fork to this day. Very few options for adjustment but they're pretty good from the factory, cheap, easy to maintain and last almost forever. I simply don't understand why open bath is not common anymore. Maybe the weight of that extra fluid is a concern? I don't know.
Had a carbon frame and the rear triangle was loose so I tightened it up job done this happened a couple of times but what I didn't realise was the bearing had failed so I was just crushing the carbon each time I was tightening the bolt hence I wrote off frame 😭
Rockshox: More affordable to the average rider, has forks at the low end with trickle down tech. Easier to setup and adjust than Fox. Fox: Forks are harder to setup, but can feel better once they are. Has Kashima (I mean, who doesnt love Kashima?). Very easy to work out what the fork is for by the naming system - I can spend forever trying to find out what the stanchion diameter for forks are on older bikes with suspension from smaller brands. Fox will never have this problem (except the 49 but we dont talk about that). Biggest setback of both: they dont come with the MRP ramp control cartridge or equivalent, which owners rave about endlessly. One owner is Seth (Berm Peak), and he just cant stop going on about it.
Fox is perceived as being better because they have Kashima, and they tend to have larger stanchion diameters across the board - especially in the most common fork types (Enduro/trail, DH, and DJ), with the only exceptions being 34 vs Pike, and 38 vs Zeb (and maybe XC forks but idk I dont ride XC).
Hans Rey 🙏🏾. One of the greatest bike-riders ever. People should definitely check him. Specially those early stuff from the 80s. Dude was (and still is) amazing on his bikes.
How about Ned Overend with Specialized. His work with the brand started in 1987, and I believe he won the 2015 Fat bike championship still sponsored by them. A true honorable mention.
Hey Doddy! From East coast USA. Hans Rey is the man. I still have a GT hat he signed here in Baltimore at local shop dealer I worked for in '90's. I also met Trevor Myers n the gt show team. Way cool👍. Still have almost every GT I've ever owned. 8 total. BMX. XC, DH.🇺🇸 Do it all.
So many after 35 years in the saddle. Car park barrier vs bikes on roof - new pace RC35 legs / 2x headsets (new car roof and rack), Orange Aluminium O and mates M2. Still riding my Answer Manitou well into my forties, now it has a split head tube (I could cry at this loss to the biking world). Braking the front mech on the Manitou just changing gears and then not getting a new band for the 1.5" seat tube straight away, then spending years on a hybrid solution. Getting my mk1 Cannondale Scalpel Team Edition from California (even paying the import/vat, I saved almost a grand), then finding the fork had a manufacturing 'issue' and of course no warranty (my local Dale dealer saved me - I will never forget or stop using / recommending them). Buying second hand Mavic Crossmax SLR wheels from ebay, now getting extreme with the hubdoctor fixes (I'm on my third fix from the US) to keep my Lynskey going as the wear gets worse and worse over the years (been on it since 2014).
Hi Doddy, I have recently completed my bike cave and am wanting to send it into the bikecave segment to go on the show. I've been trying for weeks now to upload it but the uploader seems to be broken, I have tried on multiple devices also. The problem is that the part in the uploader that says 'please select a category to upload to...' doesn't have any options for me to click on in the drop down box that it prompts me to, it just says 'select' as the only option. I am trying in the Tech section also. the GMBN seems to not work either, with this same exact problem. Thank you.
Hi Henry, it may be that you are using an Ad Block, this can prevent the page from displaying as it should. There is a questions and queries email on the uploader page so please just send an email there and someone can try help.
Agree, I have Aions on my full suss. Have taken a huge amount of abuse over the last 4 years or so (including many runs down RedGiant/Top Chief and World Cup at Fort William. Still working perfectly after some huge crashes and almost no maintenance. Saying that, I have Rockshox Judy Gold on my hardtail and even though they are quite budget they feel really supple and responsive and have turned me into a bit of a Rockshox fan.
I've only ridden both Fox and RS forks in the long-travel variants, so this might not apply with sub 140mm forks. I find that the adjustments on Fox are more independent of each other - by that I mean you can have quite heavy damping on low-speed compression, and yet still really active on the high-speed compression for example, and tweaking one doesn't really affect the other. On RS forks, it felt like there was a bit more interplay between the two, so if you change one damper setting, you had to adjust the other as well. I found (because of that setting independence i think) that I could get Fox forks to be both supportive, yet extremely active and open, whereas I struggled to get that balance with RS.
My first pair of decent forks were a pair of RockShox Judy xc 4inch travel forks on a 2000 Giant Warp DS1 bike I used for downhill till I got my hands on a Craftworks downhill bike. These forks were amazing with an open bath system, compression, and rebound. Fast forward to now where I have a 2018 Norco sight A3 with Rockshox Revelation 150mm forks recently upgraded to 160mm and Charger 2 damper system. I love Rockshox because of how simple they make it to service or upgrade your forks.
I appreciate your videos. Very helpful and helps increase my bike IQ. I make a point of watching your adds to help support your channel. Cheers from Mississauga Ontario Canada.
Fox is like the "Apple" of the suspension world for me. Their products are pretty and eye catching while putting out a good experience.... only at the top end. Their mid and low tier offerings are confusing and forgotten. Rockshox is a brand that doesn't crush you with price to get a great product. The Fox "rhythm" forks are spec'd on many bikes and have ZERO upgrade path. in fact FOX changes the thread pattern on the fork crown so you cant use the upgrades (GRIP 2) like you could on a regular fox fork. Rockshox are putting out upgrade kits for most of their line up and are even advertising that you don't need to buy a new fork to get the top level performance. Also, every fox shock I've ever tried feels spongy in lockout to me while the Rockshox shocks I replaced said fox shocks with feel much more firm, but that's personal preference
really not though - Apples main success comes from the fact that they took really complex technology and made it super simple to use for the everyday user- without any knowledge of it. Fox instead is known for beeing way more difficult to setup and performs only at its best if you ahve really high suspension expertise.
I think when it comes to Fox vs Rockshox, people play teams. I feel like many people are influences by Fox's cool logo. And their Kashima coating is all hype. Kashima coating is just hard anodizing.
Was servicing my rear Rockshox suspension - replaced all the seals and cleaned, added lube, the works .... was trying to scre the main canister (air chamber) back on but couldn't turn the thread enough to catch and begin to tighten. I unscrewed the Reservoir canister attached to the shock ... Massive burst of air and oil spewed everywhere (ended up needing to go the doctors because i got it in my eye) - luckily my bike shop had a former Rockshox expert and was able to refill and pressurise the Resevoir - £200 .. never again
Don't forget JEZ AVERY 🤘 seen him live up south Yorkshire, class!!! As for most expensive mistake, Pair of triple clamps on a steel rmb equipe, 1 jump 1 bent top tube, my good friend done that do! Lessons learned 🤘
Co-worker of mine cutting the steerer tube of customers out of the box fox fork. Measured twice, marked it and made the cut, ended up with him marking and cutting at the wrong end of the steerer - 2 inches of steerer tube left on the brand new fork.
Rockshox is best coz it also does budget stuff that is upgradable. Eg: I got a rockshox yari 160mm that came on my £2,000 enduro bike but I can just swap the damper out to charger 2.1 then I essentially have a lyric. Rockshox also has the sag percentage readings on the stanchion so you don’t have to get out a ruler.
RockShox versus Fox: I've owned and ridden both Rockshox and Fox since getting my first Mag 21 in Dec. 1992. You can't go wrong with either one. It seems Rockshox has more die hard "fanboys" and it's fun to mess with them. When asked which I prefer I have a stock answer, "If you're going to race the Baja 1000 you buy Fox, not Rockshox. Go with the company that has been building some of the toughest shocks in the world." Personally I prefer Fox, but only because I like the look of the Factory orange, it's purely aesthetic.
I only recently got into mountain biking so I'm new to the channel(s). I am really enjoying the videos, they're very informative and fun to watch. Thanks Doddy!
Roof top carrier; after running the bike into own garage, fast food drive through overhang, underground parking, and a bunch of other things, I decided that mode of bike transport just isn't for me. One of those times I broke the seat tube in half (lightweight kcnc luckily)
Brands should pay riders better and make long term contracts if the riders continue to live up to the terms. Rode GT back in the 90’s and loved the Zaskar! Thank for the Hans Rey memories.
my biggest, by far, mistake was, new stem was not tight enough, hit a small jump, landed front heavy, stem/bar twisted, went OTB. did a forward roll but left shoulder heavy. almost cost me my left shoulder. 3 months rest.
Classic error of mine. Swapping a drive train on my Felt Vertue Two from 3x9 to a 1x10 setup. I bought a cheap 10 spd cassette. On test riding the gears seemed to drag especially in lower gears. Thinking it was due to cheap cassette I went out and bought a genuine Shimano one. Took the bike into the shop and the salesman took one look at the chain running through my derailleur. I had run the chain through the wrong side of the cage so it rubbed on the little chain guard inside there. DOH! At least I now have a spare cassette. Not the most expensive but stupid!
I’m currently still learning how to jump, manual, bunny hop etc. properly on flat pedals. Would you recommend i stick with flats for a bit or would switching to clipless not be a problem either? Just want to make sure me technique develops propery as opposed to using clipless pedals to lift.
I got my new Transition Patrol after my last one was stolen, while putting it together out of the box I tightened the top cap too tight breaking the star nut...Silver lining, I learned how to remove and place a star nut.
I think it depends on the price range. For their cheap forks Fox. Even the cheap ones feel plush, while cheap Rockshox forks are garbage. For mid to upper range Rockshox. Decent price, easy to service and almost as nice as absolute top forks from either. Money no object, Fox again.
As my first MTB ever I ordered Capra CF Race (5300 euros). Once it arrived i got scared of complicated suspension settings and carbon wheels so i decided to send it back and ordered cheaper 4400 euro version with a bit simpler rear shock and alu wheels. YT Industries had to wire me 5300 euro back however i gave them wrong bank account. The account I gave was not in same currency as wire transfer from YT Industries. My bank charged me 5% fee for that :(.
WOW !!!! that material look amazing!!!!! i’m sure someone has already tested this. What happens if you shoot that material with a gun? I wonder if the military has incorporated Kevlar into that material yet and check to see how bulletproof it can be maybe that’s the next level of body armor ballistic body armor that is lol ?
Back in 2006 when I started MTB all I wanted was Fox suspension on my Jamis Dakar XLT. I wouldn't be caught dead with rockshox but now a days I have exclusively rockshoxs and sram components. Funny how times change. Nothing wrong with Fox but I just love the my Lyric ultimate and stoked about my super deluxe coil ultimate shock that is "still in the mail."
A friend was a Norco rep with a van and 6 bikes on the top. Pulled into some motel in Idaho and destroyed the roof of the van, 4 of 6 bikes and the motel roof.
I know someone who measured his rear shock while it was still mounted in an all steel frame with all his kit strapped up, this wasn't helped by how light he is and how low the pressurein the shock was. There was enough mass to give him a measurement only about 10mm too short. Reduced the travel from 150mm to about 120mm and bottomed out so easily. Another mate spent a small fortune on headsets because he didn't know what he needed. He was less than impressed when it was pointed put that the size is on the bearing and all he had to do was look at it.
Rockshox is user friendly while fox is more of a race breed suspension where you can tune it precisely, because of high/low speed rebound and compression
Team Rockshox, I've owned forks from both brands but my Rockshox has consistently been easier to adjust, cheaper, easier to service, service parts are accessible and relatively cheap. In fact it is because of that accessibility that a lot of people I know purchase SR Suntor forks and place Rockshox decals on it, so yea, plenty of knock-offs, I've yet to see them pull of one for Fox.
Id have to say rockshox. From very affordable forks, rockshox also makes high end units. My first proper mountain bike came with a rockshox fork. Their products stand for simplicity and compatibility. Fox is more of a boutique race brand. For the general consumer, rockshox is a more important and influential brand. I for myself always associate rockshox with mountain biking and my first experiences with the sport.
Rockshox, affordable in different price points, from budget to more expensive options, fox however are more high end. Would love a set of fox forks, but I need all my internal organs lol
Next on #GMBNTech "are you a Nikon or Canon person"??? But, I am a ROCKSHOX person, the best Fox fork I had was the vanilla spring, had an air fork as well, when I moved to ROCKSHOX felt like any click mad a difference in the fork or shock. For me, the simple tuning and the feel of the shock/fork makes it easy to decide, I am sure that the new rear Fox shock is amazing, but how many of us would know how to tune it correctly? with the developing industry of shocks/forks, and all the progress, I guess for the regular buyer (not a racer of any kind), is to keep it simple, with a few simple tunening ,so we can enjoy riding the product instead of needing to deal with it on every ride (I know some people love it :)! ), and today (my point of view), ROCKSHOX just doing it easy for the rider...AND yes, they feel much BETTER!!!
@@wesellis4135 Yes, like the Bomber 58 (one of my favourite forks, aside from the super monster t 300) has a grip 2 damper, looks cooler than fox 40's and is only £999
@@Mikesonbikes No, Marzocchi. As I have some new Marzocchi forks as well as some older ones, the older ones are pre 2015 from when Marzocchi was their own company.
When it comes to buying parts that can't be returned after they're modified, "Measure Twice, Cuss Once". Better to be annoyed at a longer wait to finish a project than to also be out the money of the modified part plus the part you ACTUALLY need.
#askgmbntech Doddy, will you share some insight on why manufacturers always warn of sun exposure to carbon bike frames? Is there really anything to worry about in general use, sitting outside on the rack while taking breaks, etc. or is this just a warning not to leave in elements 24/7?
Down to UV stability of the resin. It is usually epoxy based and degraded by UV over time. But it takes a long time so just don’t keep your carbon bike outside 24/7.
6:05 my Geometron G1 has replicable threads, so that's not a big deal on mine. but most bikes don't have that, I only know of few bike manufactures that do this, I for got the name of them all, but one that comes to mind is Crossworks. I forgot the name of the third brand. But so far no forks have this feature. I agree with you, all brands should do this.
I was also working in a hurry, i put grease on the threads of my new forks Postmount. Sadly it was to much so when screwing the calliper on it cracked the Postmount.
Sponsors/riders would both benefit with long term relationships. On a marketing perspective it shows everyday Joe’s that brand is the real deal because the long term sponsored riders love using it and they aren’t just being paid to say they love it. It’s the same in other sports/hobbies especially my other passion which is archery. The pros in any area are always switching brands and while I realize it’s how they make money it gets old after a while hearing how brand X is the hottest thing out there then in a year or two brand Y is the best. I’d rather take advice on gear from someone sponsored if they’ve been with a brand they trust and have put years into. Loyalty should go a lot farther than it seems to these days
Rockshox all the way. Cheaper price, you can upgrade older forks with newer dampeners and air springs, very user friendly to service with easy to follow videos and instructions.
Rockshox Vs fox, I like rockshox because of the no nonsense attitude that just work with a cheaper price tag and longer service intervals, there the weekend warrior that can rock it with the best. I like fox for the tunability and looks. Don't get me wrong my bike came with rockshox and yeah I like the look of fox but I wouldn't swap out my forks for fox just for the sake of it, I don't ride to a level that I'd notice a difference between comparable versions once I've dialed both to me
Hans is an absolute legend. It‘s a shame that the kids these days don‘t know him. On the other side, I had to ask what the fuzz with these „Sick“ T-Shirts is all about in the bike park. Every generation has its heroes. But Hans already did it in the 90s. With cantilever brakes and no suspension and 560mm bars…
I was listening more than watching the video... and when I first caught the screen out of the corner of my eye... I thought the picture over your left shoulder was Stewie Griffin
Love FOX but RockShox are cheaper to run and just as good. However unlike with drive trains it's not a 2 company question by any means. I know there's other drive trains around but the 2 you talked about rule the game in MtB especially. With Suspension there's brands that ito my mind make stuff that's as good, as innovative and in a few case as good to use but cheaper. In suspension there's truly other options which in honesty doesn't really exist in the drive train area.
i was pushing my brake piston back than brake fluid spilled? any idea what i could have messed up? i think i should have loosen the top screw on the lever
I've got a theory that frames and forks would be better with IS mounts, that way iif you do mess up and cross thread or whatever you only need to replace a £10 IS-PM adapter rather than the fork lowers or frame!
What is the most expensive mountain bike mistake that you have made?
Idk, what was a most expensive mistake, but yesterday I cuted brake wire, and after that I realized i bought shifter wire :)
Bought myself an Levo SL e-bike last year. Got a Levo for my wife too. Now, she wants an SL. $$$$
Buying my Mtb😭😭
It was too old (9years)
Frame broke 2 times
This wasn't an expensive mistake; it just cost me 12 hours of time to fix and 15 dollars.
I pumped up my mountain bike tires to their max psi of 60 for a road ride, but my rim couldn't handle the pressure and the tire blew off the rear rim while I was riding. I had to bend the rim back and jb weld the rim joint which slightly split apart. I also had to repair my tire bead and sidewall which got caught in the cassette. Glad I had alloy wheels that day and it was definitely a lesson learned.
I bought a rim brake bike to commute on
I'm on my 4th rim right now and they need to be replaced. Thank goodness I know how to build wheels
RockShox, because you can service everything by yourself without spending more money for the special tools than the actual shock
Hans Rey also was my hero. When we couldn't ride a section of trail we used to say "Hans would ride that". My favourite expression of Hans' is "on a suspension bike, you can ride over all kinds of obstacles" in a German accent. Great guy.
I'm not sure there is any more expensive mistake that can be made than getting into MTB in the first place. 😨
How about getting into it and _not_ properly riding your equipment?!
It does easily become an expensive obsession.
you mean roadbikes skinny tires
Oooooh Fox Vs. Rockshox? I'm team Rockshox, purely because I was bike mechanic when Fox launched their forks and they had a five minute service interval between having to replace the damn seals.
I’m here to let everyone know about an important experiment I have conducted, and the results are in.... Tan Sidewall tires make you 18% faster (tested on a 1.2k downhill track) and 100% cooler than everyone else.
Thanks for the recommendation for no way Doddy..
I was at the 92 bike expo at ally pally and got to see him perform and sign my gt brochure..
Been a GT fan ever since..
In fact still have my 92 Karakoram (tequila sunrise) which is one of my prize possessions..
Keep up the great work.. 🤙
Some years ago I accidentally grabbed the reverb fluid instead of the dot and bleed both guide brakes with it... destroyed the seals on both levers! On the bright side I learned that the orings in the calipers are not that sensitive. Did a couple more tests and spent the next 3 years running a shimano lever with a sram caliper using mineral fluid!
On another occasion i shortened my chain using the chain pin and not the Shimano pin or a missing link. Almost at the top of Corcovado mountain in Rio de Janeiro my chain broke grabbed the derailleur and shoved it into my rear wheel! Good thing the way back home was mostly downhill and it didn't damaged the rear wheel too much
cool story bro
Hans in tricks and stunts with Martyn Ashton was great also 👌
Tricks and stunts was the best 🤘
Put my bike on the roof of my car. Drove to leogang. After 6h of driving i forgot having the bike on the roof. Checked into my hotel. Went to the carpark and drove against the ceiling. Bike fell off the car.
Damage:
Broken roof on my relatively new car, broken rooftop mounting, broke the screw inserts of the car for the bikemounting and scratches all over the trunk of the car.
Luckily the bikes where almost undamaged (just some paint scratches and a broken brake cable)
Total cost: >3000€
Start into vacation: priceless
My first memory of a "professional" mountain biker was a Hans Rey poster hanging in a friend's bedroom. Think I'll need to dig up a copy of that classic to hang in the bike cave...
I'm still running a 2005 Marzocchi fork to this day. Very few options for adjustment but they're pretty good from the factory, cheap, easy to maintain and last almost forever. I simply don't understand why open bath is not common anymore. Maybe the weight of that extra fluid is a concern? I don't know.
Had a carbon frame and the rear triangle was loose so I tightened it up job done this happened a couple of times but what I didn't realise was the bearing had failed so I was just crushing the carbon each time I was tightening the bolt hence I wrote off frame 😭
Rockshox: More affordable to the average rider, has forks at the low end with trickle down tech. Easier to setup and adjust than Fox.
Fox: Forks are harder to setup, but can feel better once they are. Has Kashima (I mean, who doesnt love Kashima?). Very easy to work out what the fork is for by the naming system - I can spend forever trying to find out what the stanchion diameter for forks are on older bikes with suspension from smaller brands. Fox will never have this problem (except the 49 but we dont talk about that).
Biggest setback of both: they dont come with the MRP ramp control cartridge or equivalent, which owners rave about endlessly. One owner is Seth (Berm Peak), and he just cant stop going on about it.
Fox is perceived as being better because they have Kashima, and they tend to have larger stanchion diameters across the board - especially in the most common fork types (Enduro/trail, DH, and DJ), with the only exceptions being 34 vs Pike, and 38 vs Zeb (and maybe XC forks but idk I dont ride XC).
@@MarcusNesbitt4 cool story bro
Amazing work as always. Love the tech show!!!
Hans Rey 🙏🏾. One of the greatest bike-riders ever. People should definitely check him. Specially those early stuff from the 80s. Dude was (and still is) amazing on his bikes.
How about Ned Overend with Specialized. His work with the brand started in 1987, and I believe he won the 2015 Fat bike championship still sponsored by them. A true honorable mention.
I was thinking Ned as well.
Hey Doddy! From East coast USA. Hans Rey is the man. I still have a GT hat he signed here in Baltimore at local shop dealer I worked for in '90's. I also met Trevor Myers n the gt show team. Way cool👍. Still have almost every GT I've ever owned. 8 total. BMX. XC, DH.🇺🇸 Do it all.
So many after 35 years in the saddle. Car park barrier vs bikes on roof - new pace RC35 legs / 2x headsets (new car roof and rack), Orange Aluminium O and mates M2. Still riding my Answer Manitou well into my forties, now it has a split head tube (I could cry at this loss to the biking world). Braking the front mech on the Manitou just changing gears and then not getting a new band for the 1.5" seat tube straight away, then spending years on a hybrid solution. Getting my mk1 Cannondale Scalpel Team Edition from California (even paying the import/vat, I saved almost a grand), then finding the fork had a manufacturing 'issue' and of course no warranty (my local Dale dealer saved me - I will never forget or stop using / recommending them). Buying second hand Mavic Crossmax SLR wheels from ebay, now getting extreme with the hubdoctor fixes (I'm on my third fix from the US) to keep my Lynskey going as the wear gets worse and worse over the years (been on it since 2014).
cool story bro
FEELS! For the guy trying to hunt down a derailleur. Had same problem for 2 months in australia
Hi Doddy, I have recently completed my bike cave and am wanting to send it into the bikecave segment to go on the show. I've been trying for weeks now to upload it but the uploader seems to be broken, I have tried on multiple devices also. The problem is that the part in the uploader that says 'please select a category to upload to...' doesn't have any options for me to click on in the drop down box that it prompts me to, it just says 'select' as the only option. I am trying in the Tech section also. the GMBN seems to not work either, with this same exact problem. Thank you.
Hi Henry, it may be that you are using an Ad Block, this can prevent the page from displaying as it should. There is a questions and queries email on the uploader page so please just send an email there and someone can try help.
I prefer high SR Suntour, massively under rated, currently using durolux forks and they’re amazing
Truth told. I'm in love w/ my Auron and Epicon.
Agree, I have Aions on my full suss. Have taken a huge amount of abuse over the last 4 years or so (including many runs down RedGiant/Top Chief and World Cup at Fort William. Still working perfectly after some huge crashes and almost no maintenance. Saying that, I have Rockshox Judy Gold on my hardtail and even though they are quite budget they feel really supple and responsive and have turned me into a bit of a Rockshox fan.
Both brands are great. But I go with Fox just because I like to logo more.
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I've only ridden both Fox and RS forks in the long-travel variants, so this might not apply with sub 140mm forks. I find that the adjustments on Fox are more independent of each other - by that I mean you can have quite heavy damping on low-speed compression, and yet still really active on the high-speed compression for example, and tweaking one doesn't really affect the other.
On RS forks, it felt like there was a bit more interplay between the two, so if you change one damper setting, you had to adjust the other as well. I found (because of that setting independence i think) that I could get Fox forks to be both supportive, yet extremely active and open, whereas I struggled to get that balance with RS.
My first pair of decent forks were a pair of RockShox Judy xc 4inch travel forks on a 2000 Giant Warp DS1 bike I used for downhill till I got my hands on a Craftworks downhill bike. These forks were amazing with an open bath system, compression, and rebound. Fast forward to now where I have a 2018 Norco sight A3 with Rockshox Revelation 150mm forks recently upgraded to 160mm and Charger 2 damper system. I love Rockshox because of how simple they make it to service or upgrade your forks.
I love Hans. I also remember Libor Karas. He rode for Cannondale. He was the first trials rider I saw in person. I was so inspired to ride everything.
I appreciate your videos. Very helpful and helps increase my bike IQ. I make a point of watching your adds to help support your channel. Cheers from Mississauga Ontario Canada.
Fox is like the "Apple" of the suspension world for me. Their products are pretty and eye catching while putting out a good experience.... only at the top end. Their mid and low tier offerings are confusing and forgotten. Rockshox is a brand that doesn't crush you with price to get a great product. The Fox "rhythm" forks are spec'd on many bikes and have ZERO upgrade path. in fact FOX changes the thread pattern on the fork crown so you cant use the upgrades (GRIP 2) like you could on a regular fox fork. Rockshox are putting out upgrade kits for most of their line up and are even advertising that you don't need to buy a new fork to get the top level performance.
Also, every fox shock I've ever tried feels spongy in lockout to me while the Rockshox shocks I replaced said fox shocks with feel much more firm, but that's personal preference
Well said. Even the rockshox recon rl that is on my wife's hardtail feels like solid steel when locked out, and that is a true budget fork.
really not though - Apples main success comes from the fact that they took really complex technology and made it super simple to use for the everyday user- without any knowledge of it. Fox instead is known for beeing way more difficult to setup and performs only at its best if you ahve really high suspension expertise.
That d3o looks exactly like my motorcycle back insert. It's great.
I think when it comes to Fox vs Rockshox, people play teams. I feel like many people are influences by Fox's cool logo. And their Kashima coating is all hype. Kashima coating is just hard anodizing.
I thinks it's mostly because fox is thought to have a little more racing prestige
Was servicing my rear Rockshox suspension - replaced all the seals and cleaned, added lube, the works .... was trying to scre the main canister (air chamber) back on but couldn't turn the thread enough to catch and begin to tighten. I unscrewed the Reservoir canister attached to the shock ... Massive burst of air and oil spewed everywhere (ended up needing to go the doctors because i got it in my eye) - luckily my bike shop had a former Rockshox expert and was able to refill and pressurise the Resevoir - £200 .. never again
Over tightening my bb. I completely removed the thread, so I have to use a press fit bb since then
Don't forget JEZ AVERY 🤘 seen him live up south Yorkshire, class!!!
As for most expensive mistake,
Pair of triple clamps on a steel rmb equipe, 1 jump 1 bent top tube, my good friend done that do! Lessons learned 🤘
Co-worker of mine cutting the steerer tube of customers out of the box fox fork. Measured twice, marked it and made the cut, ended up with him marking and cutting at the wrong end of the steerer - 2 inches of steerer tube left on the brand new fork.
@GMBNTech, I also lean towards Rockshox, but my let's toast a glass for the Marzocchi inverted forks! Good times!
Rockshox is best coz it also does budget stuff that is upgradable. Eg: I got a rockshox yari 160mm that came on my £2,000 enduro bike but I can just swap the damper out to charger 2.1 then I essentially have a lyric. Rockshox also has the sag percentage readings on the stanchion so you don’t have to get out a ruler.
The one closest to Hans Rey in sponsor longevity is probably Tinker Juarez. He's been with Cannondale for 27 years, since 1994 and is still racing.
Ned Overend & Specialized would be up there too
@@spacedoutboy404 Oh yes, forgot about Ned. You're right, Ned has been with Specialized since 1988 so 33 years.
Hans Rey.. Quite simply a bike god and MTB founding father. 🙏
RockShox versus Fox: I've owned and ridden both Rockshox and Fox since getting my first Mag 21 in Dec. 1992. You can't go wrong with either one. It seems Rockshox has more die hard "fanboys" and it's fun to mess with them. When asked which I prefer I have a stock answer, "If you're going to race the Baja 1000 you buy Fox, not Rockshox. Go with the company that has been building some of the toughest shocks in the world." Personally I prefer Fox, but only because I like the look of the Factory orange, it's purely aesthetic.
I only recently got into mountain biking so I'm new to the channel(s). I am really enjoying the videos, they're very informative and fun to watch. Thanks Doddy!
Roof top carrier; after running the bike into own garage, fast food drive through overhang, underground parking, and a bunch of other things, I decided that mode of bike transport just isn't for me. One of those times I broke the seat tube in half (lightweight kcnc luckily)
That non-Newtonian back protector seems super cool.
Hans is the bomb. Been following him too since back in the day. He can still ride like decades ago!
Brands should pay riders better and make long term contracts if the riders continue to live up to the terms. Rode GT back in the 90’s and loved the Zaskar! Thank for the Hans Rey memories.
my biggest, by far, mistake was, new stem was not tight enough, hit a small jump, landed front heavy, stem/bar twisted, went OTB. did a forward roll but left shoulder heavy. almost cost me my left shoulder. 3 months rest.
I have D3O in my hockey equipment. Fantastic product
Classic error of mine. Swapping a drive train on my Felt Vertue Two from 3x9 to a 1x10 setup. I bought a cheap 10 spd cassette. On test riding the gears seemed to drag especially in lower gears. Thinking it was due to cheap cassette I went out and bought a genuine Shimano one. Took the bike into the shop and the salesman took one look at the chain running through my derailleur. I had run the chain through the wrong side of the cage so it rubbed on the little chain guard inside there. DOH! At least I now have a spare cassette. Not the most expensive but stupid!
What about Ned Overend and Specialized? He might have a longer association Specialized than Hans + GT. But Hans has had more influence.
Ned singed with spec in 1988
I’m currently still learning how to jump, manual, bunny hop etc. properly on flat pedals. Would you recommend i stick with flats for a bit or would switching to clipless not be a problem either? Just want to make sure me technique develops propery as opposed to using clipless pedals to lift.
Top Hat and poka Dot 'Dotty' suit for the judging getup
Been there done that with truing my wheel, until I eventually gave up and took it to a bike shop.
I got my new Transition Patrol after my last one was stolen, while putting it together out of the box I tightened the top cap too tight breaking the star nut...Silver lining, I learned how to remove and place a star nut.
I think it depends on the price range. For their cheap forks Fox. Even the cheap ones feel plush, while cheap Rockshox forks are garbage. For mid to upper range Rockshox. Decent price, easy to service and almost as nice as absolute top forks from either. Money no object, Fox again.
Hans is one of a kind and it might actually stay that way how the frequency is looking these days.
As my first MTB ever I ordered Capra CF Race (5300 euros). Once it arrived i got scared of complicated suspension settings and carbon wheels so i decided to send it back and ordered cheaper 4400 euro version with a bit simpler rear shock and alu wheels. YT Industries had to wire me 5300 euro back however i gave them wrong bank account. The account I gave was not in same currency as wire transfer from YT Industries. My bank charged me 5% fee for that :(.
WOW !!!! that material look amazing!!!!!
i’m sure someone has already tested this. What happens if you shoot that material with a gun? I wonder if the military has incorporated Kevlar into that material yet and check to see how bulletproof it can be maybe that’s the next level of body armor ballistic body armor that is lol ?
Back in 2006 when I started MTB all I wanted was Fox suspension on my Jamis Dakar XLT. I wouldn't be caught dead with rockshox but now a days I have exclusively rockshoxs and sram components. Funny how times change. Nothing wrong with Fox but I just love the my Lyric ultimate and stoked about my super deluxe coil ultimate shock that is "still in the mail."
cool story bro
A friend was a Norco rep with a van and 6 bikes on the top. Pulled into some motel in Idaho and destroyed the roof of the van, 4 of 6 bikes and the motel roof.
😬 Forgetting about bikes on the roof is a classic!
I know someone who measured his rear shock while it was still mounted in an all steel frame with all his kit strapped up, this wasn't helped by how light he is and how low the pressurein the shock was. There was enough mass to give him a measurement only about 10mm too short. Reduced the travel from 150mm to about 120mm and bottomed out so easily.
Another mate spent a small fortune on headsets because he didn't know what he needed. He was less than impressed when it was pointed put that the size is on the bearing and all he had to do was look at it.
Hats off to Hans Rey! Cool dude. A pioneer in his own right. ✌👍Lmao haven't heard anyone use the term "endo" in years. 👍😅
Hans in Chainspotting is cool
Rockshox is user friendly while fox is more of a race breed suspension where you can tune it precisely, because of high/low speed rebound and compression
I love both suspension brands, they work flawlessly. However, I tend to like fox more because of the looks (kashima) and also the huge adjustability.
I'm sure I saw that 3DO on a motorbike channel just last week; incredible bit of protective tech.
Team Rockshox, I've owned forks from both brands but my Rockshox has consistently been easier to adjust, cheaper, easier to service, service parts are accessible and relatively cheap. In fact it is because of that accessibility that a lot of people I know purchase SR Suntor forks and place Rockshox decals on it, so yea, plenty of knock-offs, I've yet to see them pull of one for Fox.
Id have to say rockshox. From very affordable forks, rockshox also makes high end units. My first proper mountain bike came with a rockshox fork. Their products stand for simplicity and compatibility. Fox is more of a boutique race brand. For the general consumer, rockshox is a more important and influential brand. I for myself always associate rockshox with mountain biking and my first experiences with the sport.
Steve Jones certainly isn’t hard on bikes by jumping…
lol why doesn't rock shock and fox make a super rare front fork suspension? That would be so sick!
Following on from the hiplok locks, would love a piece on locking up bikes at home.
Check this out! gmbn.tech/bikesecurity
Rockshox for sure, but only before they got bought by sram. For newer stuff I'd rather be looking out for Manitou
Rockshox, affordable in different price points, from budget to more expensive options, fox however are more high end. Would love a set of fox forks, but I need all my internal organs lol
For the price of my fox forks, could buy a good hardtail.. 😭
Some of these mistakes bring tears to my eyes.
Those bos forks look amazing..... but that rebound adjustment at the bottom looks super exposed 😳 @8:24
I'm surprised you didn't mention Ned Overend. That man has been riding for Specialized for as long as I can remember.
Ned and Tinker, Specialized and Cannondale.
Fox vs Rock Shox? No contest. Manitou :P
Next on #GMBNTech "are you a Nikon or Canon person"???
But, I am a ROCKSHOX person, the best Fox fork I had was the vanilla spring, had an air fork as well, when I moved to ROCKSHOX felt like any click mad a difference in the fork or shock. For me, the simple tuning and the feel of the shock/fork makes it easy to decide, I am sure that the new rear Fox shock is amazing, but how many of us would know how to tune it correctly? with the developing industry of shocks/forks, and all the progress, I guess for the regular buyer (not a racer of any kind), is to keep it simple, with a few simple tunening ,so we can enjoy riding the product instead of needing to deal with it on every ride (I know some people love it :)! ), and today (my point of view), ROCKSHOX just doing it easy for the rider...AND yes, they feel much BETTER!!!
Fox vs Rockshox?
I'm with Marzocchi. I have always ridden Marzocchi suspension and they are great
I like marzocchi too. They are fox though. Fox own them and they use the same dampers. Marzocchi just look cooler though I think 👍
@@wesellis4135 Yes, like the Bomber 58 (one of my favourite forks, aside from the super monster t 300) has a grip 2 damper, looks cooler than fox 40's and is only £999
So.... Fox?
@@Mikesonbikes No, Marzocchi. As I have some new Marzocchi forks as well as some older ones, the older ones are pre 2015 from when Marzocchi was their own company.
When it comes to buying parts that can't be returned after they're modified, "Measure Twice, Cuss Once". Better to be annoyed at a longer wait to finish a project than to also be out the money of the modified part plus the part you ACTUALLY need.
#askgmbntech Doddy, will you share some insight on why manufacturers always warn of sun exposure to carbon bike frames? Is there really anything to worry about in general use, sitting outside on the rack while taking breaks, etc. or is this just a warning not to leave in elements 24/7?
I think it’s because the heat of the sun might melt the glue which holds the layers together and maybe weaken the weave idk
Down to UV stability of the resin. It is usually epoxy based and degraded by UV over time. But it takes a long time so just don’t keep your carbon bike outside 24/7.
looking forward to your wheel care review.
Coming soon!
@Doddy what on earth did you do to bend that vice handle lol
6:05 my Geometron G1 has replicable threads, so that's not a big deal on mine. but most bikes don't have that, I only know of few bike manufactures that do this, I for got the name of them all, but one that comes to mind is Crossworks. I forgot the name of the third brand. But so far no forks have this feature. I agree with you, all brands should do this.
I was also working in a hurry, i put grease on the threads of my new forks Postmount. Sadly it was to much so when screwing the calliper on it cracked the Postmount.
Over torquing the Fox 38 bleed port bolts. Took a week to get replacement bolts from fox. 1 week no riding 😬 priceless
Sponsors/riders would both benefit with long term relationships. On a marketing perspective it shows everyday Joe’s that brand is the real deal because the long term sponsored riders love using it and they aren’t just being paid to say they love it. It’s the same in other sports/hobbies especially my other passion which is archery. The pros in any area are always switching brands and while I realize it’s how they make money it gets old after a while hearing how brand X is the hottest thing out there then in a year or two brand Y is the best. I’d rather take advice on gear from someone sponsored if they’ve been with a brand they trust and have put years into. Loyalty should go a lot farther than it seems to these days
Rockshox all the way. Cheaper price, you can upgrade older forks with newer dampeners and air springs, very user friendly to service with easy to follow videos and instructions.
D3o I’ve seen in snowboarding base layers and is superb
Rockshox Vs fox,
I like rockshox because of the no nonsense attitude that just work with a cheaper price tag and longer service intervals, there the weekend warrior that can rock it with the best.
I like fox for the tunability and looks.
Don't get me wrong my bike came with rockshox and yeah I like the look of fox but I wouldn't swap out my forks for fox just for the sake of it, I don't ride to a level that I'd notice a difference between comparable versions once I've dialed both to me
I started on Marzocchi. Loved them. Now Fox is Marzocchi. So I’m a Fox rider
Fox would be the dream forks but the better value (still expensive) that rock shox has gives it the edge. Also kashima is such a big marketing ploy
Doddy, How did the vise behind you get a bent handle? You are in a Bike work shop, nothing should have been clamped that tight Was it Blake?
Maybe it was one of his most expensive MTB mistakes...
Awesome show this week Doddy
Hans is an absolute legend. It‘s a shame that the kids these days don‘t know him. On the other side, I had to ask what the fuzz with these „Sick“ T-Shirts is all about in the bike park. Every generation has its heroes. But Hans already did it in the 90s. With cantilever brakes and no suspension and 560mm bars…
I was listening more than watching the video... and when I first caught the screen out of the corner of my eye... I thought the picture over your left shoulder was Stewie Griffin
Love FOX but RockShox are cheaper to run and just as good. However unlike with drive trains it's not a 2 company question by any means. I know there's other drive trains around but the 2 you talked about rule the game in MtB especially. With Suspension there's brands that ito my mind make stuff that's as good, as innovative and in a few case as good to use but cheaper. In suspension there's truly other options which in honesty doesn't really exist in the drive train area.
Taking the opportinity as we speak about suspension. Whats are the benefits and disadvantsge to have rear damper upside down ?
I think in the Moment Rock Shox has the better forks but fox making mutch better rear damper.
i was pushing my brake piston back than brake fluid spilled? any idea what i could have messed up? i think i should have loosen the top screw on the lever
My bike fell off the towbar mounted bike carrier while going down the highway. FML
I've got a theory that frames and forks would be better with IS mounts, that way iif you do mess up and cross thread or whatever you only need to replace a £10 IS-PM adapter rather than the fork lowers or frame!